Management has the team going backwards? Have you watched the Packers the last few years or even at all? McCarthy had 6 wins in 2018. With a rookie coach, the team won 13 games in 2019. They did it again in 2020 and 2021. Last year was disappointing but most PACKERS fans are excited for this season. Jordan Love running the plays that are called and rookies on defense should be better. I don't know if I would draft a TE in the 1st round, but I am not a pro scout. GB should add 2 WR's, 2 TE's, 2 CB's, 2 edge rushers. I can't wait for the season to start.

They literally drafted 3 receivers last year and kept the 2 tight ends Rodgers specifically wanted to keep. And they drafted Deguara 3 years ago, who has actually done some nice things when given opportunity (usually by Jordan Love), but he doesnt get enough opportunities. I'll give you one guess why. Drafted Amari Rodgers too and then he immediately had the rug pulled out from underneath him when you-know-who demanded they trade for Randall Cobb. And yet were still blaming the front office? They've had their hands tied behind their backs trying to keep Rodgers and his ego happy, which is impossible.

Interesting how I am seeing Dalton falling to late round 1 on the internet. I am also seeing Musgrave climb to early 20's in round 1 on some mock drafts. Hmmmm!

I really like Washington and certainly would not complain if the Packers took him, but I have thought all along like Dobber that he is a stiff route runner who is limited. If he isn't there at #45 maybe you draft a blocking TE like Durham later in the draft. In the meantime, you select a Kincaid, Musgrave, or a Kuntz as the move TE. Zach Kuntz, Tucker or LaPorta if available in round 3 would be good picks. Otherwise, Gutey just drafts Myers for a combo TE and be done with it until late in the draft.

I don't know what the peanut gallery is complaining about, but I had the same thoughts, only Washington before Kincaid.

Neither does anyone else on this site - they haven't watched these players play at any length, they just know what they read, which is passed around and around.

The best condensed info is the 1) NFL combine results when it comes to physical skills and 2) college game statistics and performance in games against national top #25 competition when it comes to on field performance.

If I were you, I'd order and then read, THE CHTV Draft Guide! They have several sports-minded staff who know what they are talking about in writing the analyses of the college players going into the draft. A real deal and so very helpful in having you gain an understanding of the draft process and what kinds of players Green Bay Packers' management is looking for, in trying to improve the team!

As I watch more on Washington, I think for the first year or maybe two, he doesn't provide much more than Marcedes Lewis did. He looks heavy-footed to me in how he plays, and I wonder more than a little how he's going to uncover against safeties and quick coverage LBs. He might grow into an outstanding pass catcher, but I think there's more projection there than I'm comfortable with at 15.

I agree: I think Tillman is the kind of physical WR the Packers would covet...the question will be price point.

There's no one in this draft named Davante Hyatt.

Maybe recalibrate this.....Devonte Hyatt!

I have said it before while Jalin is a good player I just do not see him as the WR type the Packers need since they already have Watson. Jalin is rather slight and is more of a straight line speed (4.4) & finesse guy. Lazard is now gone and I believe the Packers in addition to a good TE needs a big physical WR who can make the catch in traffic. A WR the QB can get the ball out quickly to on blitzes for those contested catches, and who can high point throws. A good blocking WR. Jalin is none of this! A guy like Quentin Johnston, a Cedric Tillman, or a Johnathan Mingo type of WR. You could probably even add guys like Andrei Iosivas, Hutchinson, or Dontavian Wicks.

Kincaid is a jumbo WR....less "TE" than Tonyan.

" 6 catches for 60 yards each game.....but who could also get his man blocked, because that's his first job."

Wow. So that projects to 102 receptions for 1020 yards on the year, which is more catches and also more yards than any TE in the league last year except for Travis Kelce, and the player would accomplish this despite the fact that "on most plays, he's a blocker." And you plan to acquire this gentleman on Day 3.

Good luck to you, sir!

Me, I'm thinking of nabbing a 20-sack EDGE guy as an undrafted free agent. I really think that might be the spark this defense needs.

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You’re misunderstanding me here. Most Packer fans watched another team win the Super Bowl again. The impact of high quality, dynamic TE - use - was not lost on any of them, including myself.

KC’s use of 12 personnel, with 2 TEs and 1 RB, was taken to new levels in 2022.

Kelce is essentially a big WR. Above, you’ll see his numbers when used from the SLOT: 76 Targets. 54 Receptions. 662 Yards. 4 TDs.

12 personnel requires 2 TEs. One of those should be a dynamic playmaker as a move TE in the mold of Kelce.

The Packers have ZERO starting caliber TEs.

We lost our blocking TE in Big Dog.

We lost our “move” TE in Bobby. He did his best to emulate Kelce (19 TDs 2020) before his ACL.

Want a dynamic playmaker at TE?

Yeah, so do roughly 20 other teams. How many big playmakers at TE exist in this draft?

Want a dynamic move TE who will create mismatches, move the chains, and help you score? Well, then you have to take one, and by 42, the best are gone.

Might want to take 2 early. Blocker. Slot. Washington. Kincaid.

1. Don’t give AR away for less than #13
2. Take your TEs
3. Spend your next 10+ picks addressing other need areas.

**** Look where talents project in a draft.

This draft isn’t a grocery store with loaded shelves.

4. FFS, take your best Safety next. R2-R3. After that, good luck.

* Remember, this draft is loaded at EDGE, CB, WR, OT. All of those positions and DT can be addressed later with great talents. Same cannot be said for TE and S.

Thats a solid post LH.

Mix in a couple of safetys and DL and it could be a draft for the ages.

Lest we forget, when Ron Wolf got serious and knew he had a gun slinger, he brought Keith Jackson & Mark Chmura to Green Bay.

Love Gun. Adding both Washington & Kincaid now might be a very smart play. The mismatches for opposing defenses would be insane.

It's been repeated over and over again that this offense wants to be deceptive out of its sets: well, there's nothing deceptive about an undersized OT lining up in-line on 40% of your snaps (ahem, Marcedes Lewis), and who isn't going to do much more than catch a 5-yard outlet and then fall down. Those guys are UDFAs, now. Get a combo TE or maybe two. Draft one and sign a guy...draft two, if needed. Get guys who can block their guy, and are a meaningful threat in the short to intermediate zones (and will sneak behind coverage from time to time for a big play).

Those are great thoughts...

but you completely forgot that the roster is almost completely devoid of Safetys and DL.

If you really wanna have fun, Nick, throw the 13 in there too.

Can vouch.

"I know this won't be popular but I'd love to see an offensive draft for once by Gute."

Aside from Jaire, the 2018 draft was pretty offensive.

I agree in that, at some point, you've got to let your recent draft investments work and tend to needs--and projected needs based on what you're going to have to do in the near future in roster management--in other areas.

"But if Gute or ANYONE things Watson and Doubs will be enough, it will be a LONG ass season even if Love plays great."

You've got to have 6-8 pass-catchers who can play. Too many injuries over the course of a season to not have that.

Nick,
Been beating the drums about needing offensive weapons early in the draft for a looooong time! Seems inevitable it has to happen. I'm guessing every NFL GM is anticipating the Packers going heavily offense. There are several defensive Edge players that will go in round 1 that I absolutely love, but offense is needed. Anyone recall how when Jordan Love lost about 80% of his offensive starters after 2018 he fell off the cliff in 2019?

Just cannot allow that to happen to a first year starter and expect his confidence to remain.

Im fine with it as long as were not reaching in the 1st round. The only 2 skill position players I see who are actually worth the #15 pick are both running backs, which the Packers arent likely to draft. If they stay at 15, hopefully its for Skoronski or one of the other top tackles if they fall. Otherwise, I'd trade down. Multiple times if possible. Id be trying to get as many 2nd and 3rd round picks as possible. Theres a whole list of guys id love to see the Packers draft who will fall in those 2 rounds.

The second round is the Value round as it was in 2019-22.

Who cares about Visits. The 5th column speculation and all that jazz. The Film reveals the Players. The only reason to check on certain guys is for medical reasons.

The highlights are great, and what he did at the combine was amazing. Did you see the catch at the Senior Bowl? Wow.

yes, but exactly where? most all the teams are thinking the same thing. he will not be available at #45, but #15 seems like it may be just a little too rich for him.

There’s at least 10 really high RAS TEs in this draft. So we should have opportunities. One or two are really more jumbo WRs though.

Zack Kuntz, Old Dominion RAS: 10.00
Luke Musgrave, Oregon State — 9.95
Darnell Washington, Georgia — 9.85
Luke Schoonmaker, Michigan — 9.75
Tucker Kraft, S. Dakota State — 9.58
Sam LaPorta, Iowa — 9.26
Will Mallory, Miami — 9.19
Brenton Strange, Penn State — 8.92
Josh Whyle, Cincinnatti — 8.86
Davis Allen, Clemson — 8.77

Mallory is more of a big receiver, but gets overlooked when in fact he might be a relatively good general purpose receiving TE with a little improvement in blocking that we could pick up in the 5th round. He might be a candidate for the Lazard role in part.

Tundra,
And think just how more enjoyable the upcoming draft will be with a bunch of NY Jet's draft choices to go along with ours? :)

So much fun to think about the possibility of having 2 first round picks, and 2 second round picks and the direction Gutey might go in each round. The options are endless! My biggest hope are the Packers can get a few good picks in 2023 even if Bachtiari goes to the Jets. I want to go young & build the team through the draft for the next couple of years.