#PackersDaily: Mark Murphy is underappreciated

Say what you will about Packers president and CEO Mark Murphy (and fans certainly do) but his stewardship of the organization has been mostly exemplary.

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Coldworld's picture

May 31, 2023 at 04:53 pm

No. Just no.

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 31, 2023 at 09:00 pm

Ah Coldworld. Who reminds us daily how to better draft, coach and run 1265. What would we do without you? I could you remind you of Murphy's career accomplishments, but what's the point? I'm sure your experience running an NFL organization pales in comparison.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 31, 2023 at 10:37 pm

I would rather see CW on the Board of Directors than many of the current patronage and nepotism appointments.

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bottlefliper's picture

June 01, 2023 at 04:23 am

so now its clear MM is the best.....the contra indicator never fails. Thanx for your inside

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 31, 2023 at 05:10 pm

Sorry, I am with Cw on this one. I won't listen, especially when the subject is "We're not Idiots" Murphy. Think he's proved more than once he is. SMH

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mbpacker's picture

May 31, 2023 at 05:21 pm

Nags- Maybe if you offered Mark Murphey a years supply of Carry The G, he would come on your show.
BTW, it was nice seeing Rodgers singing and rocking out with, I guess his girlfriend, at the Taylor Swift concert. Big city life must appeal to him, not that there is anything wrong with that.

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MainePackFan's picture

May 31, 2023 at 06:50 pm

He may be underappreciated but frankly, there is a reason for that. Good for him getting the draft in Green Bay. If he would keep his nose out of the GM role, it appears we would all be better off.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 01, 2023 at 10:54 am

Moose stew for everyone!

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MainePackFan's picture

June 01, 2023 at 02:21 pm

lol : )

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CanPackFan's picture

June 01, 2023 at 03:39 pm

Amen to that Maine!

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 31, 2023 at 06:57 pm

At first glance, I thought that this was a Cory Jenner quasi-click bait article (which I almost always comment to). Realizing that it wasn't - I was puzzled by the out of left field love for Murphy. Wasn't it the Packers organization that once sanctioned Nagler? And isn't it the same M. Murphy that hasn't returned any of Nagler's calls?

Still the most disparaging comment was that few of us knew nothing or little about Murphy's role and body of work - with the inference that Nagler does. For anyone who has been a regular commenter on CHTV - you may have discovered that there are a significant number of individuals who possess a sports, business and corporate management background. In fact, some of these persons should be sitting on the Packers Board of Directors.

IMO Murphy has graded out as a "C" in terms of his Presidency. Where he has been most effective is in the bricks and mortar part of the Packers brand - i.e., construction, building and politics. Where he has strayed, to the detriment of the team, is football ops. Particularly his meddling with the construction of on-field teams - which is far outside of his qualifications.

One last point. In the last 2 decades - many professional sports franchises have dramatically gained in value due to external socio-economic factors - rather than managerial brilliance. That being so, any President of a professional sports franchise should not be given a "treat" for just doing their job. The prestige of their position, and, normally lavish salary should be enough appreciation.

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Bitternotsour's picture

May 31, 2023 at 07:36 pm

Nagler's big rub was with McGinn if I remember correctly.

Nagler, $500 million by Boehly and a 12th place finish. Nice final ride by Frank Lampard.

London, is RED.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 31, 2023 at 07:51 pm

Yet Chelsea continues to appreciate in value.

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 31, 2023 at 07:56 pm

"Wasn't it the Packers organization that once sanctioned Nagler?"

No, you're thinking of North Korea, and the sanctions are still in place. No CHTV investments in North Korea.

"And isn't it the same M. Murphy that hasn't returned any of Nagler's calls?"

Could be, but damn, man, Murphy's just one guy in a very long line of people who don't want to talk to Nagler.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 31, 2023 at 09:05 pm

Sanction is a formal punishment that can be imposed by any individual or organization - which it appears was Nagler's case. While Nagler is not any anonymous fan. He is representative of a relatively large grassroots fan base - which is supposedly the underpinning of a community-owned team. Except that the GBP does not really embrace it's community-mindedness.

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Guam's picture

June 01, 2023 at 07:16 am

AP: I might give Murphy a "B-" rather than a "C". He has done an excellent job on the business side of the Packers and probably rates an "A" there. However his downfall has been on the football side. His decision to extend Rodgers and sign that awful final contract (as well as other void year contracts) was a serious error that caused the Packers to miss a future shaping deal with Denver and will encumber the cap for at least two more years.

I also am not a fan of his assumption of the GM role. Gute should have had that role with MM sticking to the business side of the Packers. That would have allowed Murphy the separation he needed to properly evaluate the football operation. Now there is no one who has an unbiased view of the football operation - the President is also the GM. Bad organizational design and accountability. Murphy has violated management 101 with his current management structure. His grade for football operations should be a "C-".

Overall probably a "B-". His success on the business side shouldn't be minimized.

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HawkPacker's picture

June 01, 2023 at 08:37 am

'Now there is no one who has an unbiased view of the football operation - the President is also the GM. Bad organizational design and accountability. Murphy has violated management 101 with his current management structure.'

Guam, I realize that is how it has been set up by Murphy but the question that I have is: Didn't this require approval by the GBP BOD? If so, aren't they as much to blame or even more so?

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Guam's picture

June 01, 2023 at 10:12 am

Yes, the Executive Commitee recommended approval and the BOD approved it and both share the blame. Unfortunately the Board largely consists of Murphy appointees and has become a rubber stamp for his actions. I would place most of the blame on the Executive Committee as the BOD really has minimal interaction with Murphy or the front office.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 01, 2023 at 08:49 am

Guam,
I am giving you a thumbs up because I totally agree with your assessment of both the football side, as well as the business side. Giving a rating of a B seems appropriate. This really resonated with me.....

"I also am not a fan of his assumption of the GM role. Gute should have had that role with MM sticking to the business side of the Packers. That would have allowed Murphy the separation he needed to properly evaluate the football operation. Now there is no one who has an unbiased view of the football operation - the President is also the GM. Bad organizational design and accountability. Murphy has violated management 101 with his current management structure."

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Guam's picture

June 01, 2023 at 10:17 am

Thanks Knock. Once and awhile my brain actually works like I want it to.......

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 01, 2023 at 10:40 am

Ahh...Guam...you are one of the most astute posters on here & I always enjoy reading what you have to share.

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 02:27 pm

I'll gladly second that. Totally agree, Knock. Guam is the shit.

LOL!!! The calming force of reason in most discussions. Without a doubt.

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 31, 2023 at 09:25 pm

I don't post much on here during this stretch of off-season. But I thought I would jump in here and defend Mr. Murphy. Unlike the CHTV masses, I think he has been incredibly successful as our de-facto owner. To all of those repeatedly referring to him as an idiot, care to elaborate? Because you have some fly-on-the-wall evidence he has undermined our GM? Please share that evidence.

The Green Bay Packers have been an incredibly successfully run organization during Murphy's tenure as President/CEO, both on and off the field. Be careful what you wish for.

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HawkPacker's picture

June 01, 2023 at 08:39 am

13, you make some valid points and I have thought this as well over the last couple of years. You getting the down votes is no surprise but I am a bit surprised that no one has commented to your comment.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 01, 2023 at 12:29 pm

I doubt there's a person on this site that cares less about down votes than me. The folks that do it without even attempting to offer an intelligent response remind of the folks on here that love to call members of the Packers organization (front office, coaches, etc.) petty names while hiding behind their computer screens. But I'm sure it makes them feel better about themselves in some way. Good for them....and down vote to your hearts content.

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Guam's picture

June 01, 2023 at 10:27 am

I don't call Murphy an idiot and give him very high marks for his business acumen. However please see my response to Alberta Packer as to why I dislike his handling of the football side of the Packers.

Yes, the Packers have been highly successful, but is that success attributable to Murphy or to others (Ted Thompson, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy, etc. etc.. Sometimes leaders benefit more from the organization than the organization benefits from them. I believe Murphy has made two significant blunders in the late stages of his tenure (Rodgers and the organizational structure) that will blemish his record.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 01, 2023 at 12:45 pm

Fair enough. And I agree that if Murphy was indeed the driving force behind that contract, it certainly was a significant blunder.

As far as the players/coaches you mention that contributed more to the team's success, two points to consider:

1. Wasn't it the organization that put those players/coaches in place to lead the team to success? You can't have one without the other.
2. Why is this argument never made about Bob Harlan? Didn't he benefit from Wolf, Holmgren, Favre, etc.?

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Guam's picture

June 02, 2023 at 07:49 am

13TC: Regarding point #1, I think Ted Thompson had as much or more to do with the 2010 Super Bowl victory as Mark Murphy. Thompson became GM in 2005 and drafted Rodgers shortly thereafter. Murphy became President in 2008 and essentially inherited the ingredients for 2010 Super Bowl win. How much credit should Murphy get versus the rest of organization?

Regarding point #2, I think both Murphy and Harlan had great successes during their tenure. Harlan certainly reaped the benefits of the great football organization under him, but he also hired and promoted all of those guys. Murphy inherited the Thompson/McCarthy team. Murphy should get the credit/blame for what happens under the Gute/LaFleur regime since they are his hires. I think that legacy is still unfolding.

Harlan remarkably seemed to have zero missteps during his tenure. Murphy has the delayed removal of Thompson (ill health), the Rodgers contract and the organizational restructuring for which he has been criticized. Not a spotless recordlike Harlan.

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 10:51 am

Mark Murphy "has been incredibly successful as our de-facto owner?" How so? He walked into the Super Bowl Championship brought to us by Bob Harlan & Ted Thompson & Mike McCarthy after Harlan's retirement.

"To all of those repeatedly referring to him as an idiot, care to elaborate? Because you have some fly-on-the-wall evidence he has undermined our GM?"

It's not "fly on the wall evidence," but rather common knowledge that Mark Murphy usurped the Head of Football Operations title & powers after Ted Thompson passed away. Bob Harlan was the one man who established the hierarchy that proved successful for the Green Bay Packers for decades, firmly holding to the separation of those powers between Team President and Head of Football Operations/GM.

What did you not get there?

Forcing Mike Pettine upon his new HC hire in Matt LaFleur as DC set us back at least 2 years. Only now, 4 years later, we might have the defensive players for our new DC needs to run his scheme. Let's not forget Murphy's failing to cough up the cash for Darren Rizi, LaFleur's top choice to lead our STs set us back at least 3 years.

MURPHY HAD ONE JOB TO DO as the self proclaimed "money guy." Rizi was the best ST Coordinator in NFL history at the time. Murphy said no. WHY??? The Packers didn't deserve to have the BEST??? The Packers DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY??? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???

OMG. The idiocy abounds.

The idiocy involves not only those matters, which were derelictions of Mark Murphy's duty, some highly unscrupulous ("What??? Ted died? Hold my beer!"), but also his mismanaging the AR saga, which could have sunk the Packers organization for decades if not for another overzealous idiot in Woody Johnson taking a narcissistic punk who put himself above team goals off our hands, along with certain cap Hades.

We could have gotten a far greater return had we traded him at his peak value.

What are you not seeing in the failure to acquire those assets obtained by DEN for Russell Wilson? TWO first round picks, TWO second round picks, a fifth round pick PLUS TE Noah Fant, QB Drew Lock and DE Shelby Harris???

MAD Magazine McBrainiak got us a swap of #13-15, an R2, and a conditional R2.

LOL. OMG. What do you not see there? BIG DIFFERENCE.

But, go on. Tell us how smart Mark Murphy is again? He's rendered the GM position on this football team a far lesser position of import. Current GM Brian Gutekunst cannot hire, nor fire coaches, cannot make trades of his own volition, cannot shape this football team as he sees fit to be its most successful product on the field...

Tell us again how smart that is. Mark Murphy can kiss my ass. As a lifelong fan, stockholder & season ticket holder, it is readily apparent Mark Murphy himself may have changed the successful team structure paradigm Bob Harlan established forever. That may never come back.

We are fortunate to have gotten anything for Aaron Rodgers, and even more so for escaping the complete cap quagmire of his batshit crazy contract extension Murphy insisted upon. Thank you, Woody Johnson.

Happy sledding.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 01, 2023 at 11:29 am

An eloquent rant gg.

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 12:31 pm

Thanks, Alberta!!!

Some may call it a "rant." I call it "backing up my down vote." All just off the top of my head, except for the numerous assets SEA received in trade for Wilson. I had to look that up, and it took me a while to type all of that...

LOL

I appreciate Murphy having gotten Green Bay the 2025 NFL Draft. Wonderful. He did his job.

It's the other stuff we as Packer fans have to look at in his (hopefully not forever) changing of our Management structure & hierarchy, a power grab that is so egregious that it may negatively impact our team's future. There no longer exists a corporate system of checks & balances that Bob Harlan championed for the Green Bay Packers future success, thanks to Mark Murphy's declaring himself "KING," of all things football in Titletown.

It was wrong of him to do so, and it will go down as his legacy. A negative, attached to a sledding hill and an NFL Draft. And, a BIG NEGATIVE at that.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 01, 2023 at 12:22 pm

The minute you advocated trading basically every quality OLinemen we had to NY so Rodgers would be more comfortable, you lost all credibility. What an utterly asinine idea. In fact, didn't you guarantee it? How did that work out?

Check the Packers record under Harlan, then compare the Packers record under Murphy. Silly me...I thought the main purpose of an NFL franchise was to win games.

I've said it before, but it apparently needs repeating. Just because you spend 8-10 hours a day, 7 days a week on this site, posting 40-50 times a day doesn't make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. It just means you're a weirdly obsessed football fan that obviously needs more balance in your life.

Now please go back to dropping all your f-bombs and regaling us with all the important people you hang out with and have yourself a super duper day.

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 12:36 pm

Oh, bullshit.

I was merely trying to figure out what the Jets and Packers were doing. If you can't offer thoughts on a possible trade of that magnitude, then what are we doing here? Yeah, I went out on a limb. BFD. Reports still swirl about Bakhtiari staying in GB. Do they not?

And fuck off about my own personal life, which is none of your business.

Funny, you are unable AND unwilling to answer any of those points offered. YOU ASKED!!! Why am I not surprised? You couldn't have less substance to offer.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 01, 2023 at 12:52 pm

"And fuck off about my own personal life, which is none of your business."

Then stop posting things about your "personal life" on a public forum.

You're welcome.

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 02:31 pm

I've met and have come to know a lot of players from our 3 major sports teams. You apparently can't handle that. TFB.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 01, 2023 at 04:10 pm

Not to mention team exec's and sports writers who were dear friends. Didn't you recall one time all you had to do was roll down your window and TT came running across to talk about all things Packers. You're awesome.

I was walking along Wisconsin Ave. back in the 70's and saw Johnny Weissmuller exiting the Pfister hotel from across the street. I waved at him and I'm pretty damn sure he saw me.

Does that count?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 01, 2023 at 01:40 pm

Thank you GG. That's more than I knew about the FO. Is the danger of its structure not improving due to the President likely never willing to cede power? Can't the BoD say anything about that?

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 03:53 pm

Oh, man SST, it's just some uncharted territory, with Murph's Smurfs comprising much of the BoD. Will a gentleman/woman hand picked by that board return those separation of powers as a mandate into perpetuity at the very top, securing this team's future and a balance of power with accountability once succeeding Mark Murphy?

That's anybody's guess, really.

The GM should also carry the Head of Football Operations title as set up by Bob Harlan. Period. Let the President handle all the other stuff.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 01, 2023 at 04:35 pm

I'd like to agree with you, but I can't.

Paradigms shift. Nothing lasts forever but the Earth and sky. I think the restructuring is an interesting move that actually improves the GMs ability to focus on player personnel. It also puts the brakes on stupid personnel moves because it's not just the GM. If the GM, and the HC, and Ball, are in agreement, that's a good thing. When they aren't, Murphy has to resolve it. I think that's an improvement, just like I thought it was an improvement when we quit letting the HC be the GM, and that was only 20 years ago.

We've put two Lombardi Trophies in the case since 1968. One of them was on Murphy's watch. We've won a bunch of division titles and made the playoffs. It's not a crime to give Murphy some credit for that.

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 04:43 pm

It's OK. Murphy did nothing to close that 2010 Super Bowl winning season. Ted Thompson had Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett signed as FAs 2 years before Murphy got here. Nick Collins was drafted 3 years before Murphy walked through the door... etc. Long list there.

Murphy rode Harlan's, Thompson's & McCarthy's coattails on that one.

We can agree to disagree. No worries.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

June 01, 2023 at 01:32 pm

I know nothing of the FO structure or MM's place in it except what I've read here since January. I do know AR12 was a disgruntled employee under McCarthy, and I loved MLF's first season. I get a very vague impression that some health issue might keep MM away from football, MLF might have a more clearly defined responsibility, and the new title of assistant head coach for Rich Bisaccia might (might) help our defense by way of keeping JB from screwing it up.

I expect it's not actually that simple, but it'd be nice if it was ...

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bottlefliper's picture

June 01, 2023 at 04:20 am

We are blased to have MM. One of the best who ever worked for the PACK. Will he get credit for it? Of course not, maybe 10 years from now when the same crybabies will blame the next guy. They will tell us "How great was MM in the good old days" and how bad the prensent is. It will be always that way.
But if you look what he did in his 15 years, he really nailed it and he had no easy job dealing with the 2 Divas. In the end he has twice as much rings than wanna be smartie and thats well deserved.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 01, 2023 at 07:56 am

Murphy's tenure has included a Super Bowl, multiple divisional titles, the only 15-1 season in our history. We transitioned away from two HOF QBs and the second time went a helluva lot better than the first time. This is one of the most successful eras in Packers history, and these people who are constantly bashing the people responsible...including Murphy....don't know what they're talking about, IMO.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 01, 2023 at 10:36 am

I think that Aaron Rodgers had more to do with the on-field successes than M. Murphy.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 01, 2023 at 10:43 am

No. The team that the organization put around Rodgers had more to do with the on-field success.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 01, 2023 at 11:03 am

LH, you are correct.

The sub-par defense foisted off on the GB fans and AR is certainly responsible for the "success" of the team in AR's tenure.

AR blew chunks a couple times in playoff losses, but the defense torpedoed potential deep runs or championship season as much or more.

I am certainly no AR sycophant, but I know what a championship is... (in my best Forrest Gump voice).

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Leatherhead's picture

June 01, 2023 at 11:07 am

Yeah, this is just revisionist history. In our last season ending loss, the defense played pretty well. The season before, it didn't even give up a TD in our season ending loss. The year before, it held Brady to a passer rating of about 70 and held Tampa to about 65 yards on the ground.

In 2014, the offense did little and set the stage for Bostick's Boner after the Packer defense had played very well.

You look at Rodgers' performance in our season ending losses and it's hard to make the argument it was poor defense.

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Untylu1968's picture

June 01, 2023 at 01:14 pm

Thank the Good Lord above, for had it not been for Aaron Rodgers, this franchise probably wouldn't exist anymore! He won all the games by himself. He was in control of all free agent activities, coached is through the tough times. Hell, I thought I spotted selling beer in the stands vs Kansas city. Word on the street was he was the head engineer and lead carpenter, on the new Kohler building. I cry myself to sleep every night, because I miss him so much🤣🤣🤣.
Give me a f-ing break.

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 04:25 pm

Eh... I'm sorry, LH, but I do think Mark Murphy deserves to get called out for failures that were the direct result of his interfering where he shouldn't have.

We lost a great shot at a Super Bowl on January 23, 2022 as a direct result of 4 major ST gaffes.

1. Blocked Crosby FG to end 1st half.
2. 45 yd Deebo Samuel KO return.
3. Blocked punt return for a TD by SF.
4. 10 players on field for Robbie Gould's game winning FG.

Who stuck new HC Matt Lafleur with Sean Mennenga and Mo Drayton as the ST Coordinator? Why didn't we have the best ST Coordinator in NFL history at the time in Darren Rizi?

Mark Murphy.

You can scream from the mountaintops all the record stats stuff you want and attribute that to Murphy, but, how many more Lombardi Trophies should be in the case?

Who signed off on Ron Zook? Ted Thompson was in a crippled state in 2015. Care to review all the ST gaffes under Ron Zook that killed other Super Bowl Championship opportunities?

We finally hired Rich Bisaccia in 2022, but by then nearly a decade of damage had already been done.

As a fan, I'm within my rights to hold Murphy's feet to the fire for his meddling and his power grab. Bob Harlan wanted to be more hands on when he was made President of the Green Bay Packers too. A few years into the job, he removed the Executive Committee of the BoD from taking part in football decisions. Ron Wolf's 1991 hiring was the catalyst in Harlan setting up the new precedent of separating those powers, giving Wolf the Packers Head of Football Operations/GM title.

Harlan won nothing prior to that. He held firm to that precedent for good reason. He himself took football decisions away from committee. Thank God.

Murphy has his misgivings that he needs to own. I'm not letting that... er,... slide... um, ahem, because of record alone, nor sledding hill, nor draft party.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 01, 2023 at 04:53 pm

Special Teams Gaffes ........

You expect special teams to be perfect, and that's not going to happen.The Packers have had 64 playoff games in their history, and they've scored more than 10 on 60 of them. The four other games were all losses, too, and this is going back to the muddy field era of football.

This was a historically bad offensive performance.

None of the special teams stuff matters if the offense does anything after the first turnover. In fact, the blocked punt is because we had a Long Snapper who weighs about 220 lbs and he got overwhelmed. And why do we have such a small guy ? Because he improves our coverage on punts? Why? When we could just punt out of bounds and put a bigger player there.? Oh, that's right, we have to give the other team a chance to return the punt. We can't just take that exciting play away. Even with the lead. Even in the 4th quarter. Even in the playoffs.

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 06:13 pm

Weak retort.

Lol.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

June 01, 2023 at 02:12 pm

IMHO the evaluation of MM and the GBP FO is entirely distorted by the success of one other team…New England. Had that franchise not had an absurdly successful 20 year run which I doubt will ever be duplicated, this organization may look far more successful. Financially this team and MM operate in the smallest market not just in the NFL but all of professional sports. Yet the team is on apparent sound footing. On Field the team has a SB, one of the best records in the league and has dominated its division for a decade plus. MM could do nothing about Bahk tearing his ACL at a key point in the playoff run. He could do nothing about a HOF QB ignoring wide open WR in key playoff games and failing to capitalize on multiple turnovers. Just saying…. I’d give him a solid B+

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barutanseijin's picture

June 01, 2023 at 02:55 pm

I don’t know who was responsible for the Rodgers extension. The assumption here is that Murphy pushed the deal through. Perhaps. I need more and better evidence to pin it on him.

The changes in the organizational structure went counter to the principles that were in place previously and which helped fuel the team’s success. The changes came because Murphy mishandled TT’s illness. All of a sudden there was a guy in charge of football operations who was incapacitated by illness. The years of TT’s physical decline were also years of slow decline for the team on the field. Considering this history of letting problems fester , Murphy doesn’t merit more than a C-.

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CanPackFan's picture

June 01, 2023 at 03:54 pm

Since we are grading MM, I give him a solid D. He had a HOF QB for 15 years and could only deliver 1 Super Bowl appearance! He's generally had good personnel but as always with GB FO, fail to attract great coaching because of cheapness. Its the definition of "penny wise, pound foolish".

Lastly, given what we are learning about the true Guts/Rodgers relationship (or lack thereof), can any rational person think that Gutes supported that stupid Rodgers contract? Come on, now. They did not like each other. LaFleur wanted him for the wins. And MM wanted him for the prestige and fan base. I would LOVE to see what would happen to Joe Barry if Gutes had his future in his hands...?

If MM is looking for an article to make him appear as an under-appreciated "leader" of this organization, this was a good article. But rather than having a possible persecution complex, maybe MM should let Gutes be a true GM and takeaway this stupid management structure he brought in? MM should ENABLE his GM rather than interfere to the detriment of this wonderful team! As always, GPG.

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vin0770's picture

June 01, 2023 at 06:15 pm

Don’t agree. CEO’s are supposed to see around corners and see what’s needed before the average guy right? He’s reactionary at best to what’s going on around him and his “silos” idea is a joke especially when the bottleneck at the top becomes him. Just doesn’t ever feel like he’s the sharpest knife in the drawer. I’m ready for a change in many ways.

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greengold's picture

June 01, 2023 at 06:47 pm

Special talent being your own bottleneck at the top. The skill… the mastery…

(shaking head)

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PhantomII's picture

June 01, 2023 at 09:36 pm

Well...I have a few things:
1.MM not relinquishing command as GM from TT a couple years prior.
2. After being BEYOND embarrassed by SF running our ever living guts in the ground in the NFCC game in 2019,
Gute did not make the required picks or trades required to get us a decent DL nor DC let go and I believe that
was on the must do list. 2020 NFCC showed the defense still needed DB help and zero #2 WR still since 2018.
3. Not picking up an elite ST coach until complete failure of 2021 playoffs ST meltdown AND still no #2 WR.
4. Kudos...finally getting a quality ST coach and green lighting ST players in the draft for ST.
5. Paying an already disgruntled AR ridiculous money we could not afford instead of trading him a year early
for more picks and wasting another 40 million on the CAP Hit.
6. Kudos...getting the NFL draft in GB.
7. Kudos...doing a stock sale prior to AR leaving to ensure team viability while in transition from AR to JL.

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