#PackersDaily: LaFleur speaks

Green Bay Packers head coach Matt LaFleur met with the media at the owners meetings earlier today. Aaron chats about what was said and all things Green and Gold.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 28, 2023 at 04:00 pm

As predicted, the Jets don't want to give up their first round pick this year because they need it. And they want some sort of a "giveback" that would go into effect if Rodgers only played one year. The current scenario would have us getting a pick this year and next, unless Rodgers retires.

However, the math still strongly suggests a post-June 1 deal, so I think there's at least a 50% chance that we're not going to get any compensation for Rodgers in this draft.

However, next year, between what we could get from the Jets and the comp picks we're going to get, we could be in a pretty good spot.

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Since'61's picture

March 28, 2023 at 07:40 pm

So much for the all the compensation that the Packers were going to bet by trading Rodgers. Could end up being one pick. Poof! there goes the compensation piece of the brilliant post-Rodgers plan. Thanks, Since '61

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dobber's picture

March 28, 2023 at 08:21 pm

The compensation happened...Seattle has it.

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2023 at 08:18 am

Bingo! cookie for Dobber. Thanks, Since '61

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Leatherhead's picture

March 28, 2023 at 09:40 pm

And yet, the Packer Brass is willing to pay $40 million to play Love. Maybe they’re crazy, and maybe they aren’t.

IMO, it’s never as much about who you are getting rid of as much as who you bring in., because you don’t improve by gettIng rid of somebody unless the new guy is better, and the Packers are ready to pay $40 million to make that happen

Compensation for Rodgers is gravy. Love is the goal..

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Oppy's picture

March 28, 2023 at 09:52 pm

The concept of addition by subtraction is real.

The goal is moving forward to the future. It may be Love, it might not be Love.

The only thing that is certain is the Future is not Aaron Rodgers.

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2023 at 08:37 am

I agree that Love is the goal. I also remember from your posts not very long ago that the compensation was the goal and part of the FOs brilliant plan for Love. You have consistently posted here at CHTV that the Packers were going to get compensation for Rodgers and now that it is not looking like that will happen you're saying that it wasn't about the compensation but all about Love. You stated that the plan was to surround Love with all of these alleged #1picks. Now it sounds like you're OK with whatever compensation the Packers can get.

The reality is the plan has been flawed from the start in terms of compensation for Rodgers and we don't even know if a deal is going to go through yet. What is apparently becoming clear however is that all of this great compensation for Rodgers is going poof! In fact it remains possible that it doesn't happen and Rodgers retires.

As I posted above so much for the FOs brilliant plan to trade Rodgers for numerous picks to surround Love with. It's going poof! unless something significant changes.

From a business perspective this FO of Murphy, Gute and Ball have delivered cap hell, a team riddled with weak spots, a weak coaching staff, declining results and poor prospects for the short term future of the team. And they are going into their 6th season of running the team. At this point, looking back at just the Packers prior 2 regimes they should have produced an SB and should be on the threshold being a dominant team in the league for the next several seasons. Instead they are at least 2 or 3 seasons from being a dominant team and that is assuming the best case scenario.

The issue remains; can the guys (Packers FO) get the Packers out of the mess which they have created with their own unforced error and poor decisions? Thanks, Since '61

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Leatherhead's picture

March 29, 2023 at 10:10 am

They're going to get compensation for Rodgers, 61. And I am OK with whatever we get . Unlike you, I don't think Rodgers is ever going to take us where we want to go so it's time to get another driver.

I also don't share your gloomy assessment that this is a team in cap hell and riddled with weak spots and a weak coaching staff.

I also don't think we're at least two seasons away.

This is going to play out this season. Crow is going to be on the menu.

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2023 at 03:33 pm

First I have always agreed that the Packers would get compensation for Rodgers however your posts earlier in the year clearly stated they were going to get 2 #1s and #2s. I could quote them back to you by I don't think it's necessary for me to go that far out of respect for you.

Second, I advocated for Rodgers to be traded after the 2021 season. In fact I specifically posted that after the Packers offensive debacle against the 49ers in the playoff game at home. I will quote myself from my first post after the game. "The Packers need a new QB. It''s time to move on from Rodgers to get as much as possible for him in a trade during the upcoming post season." So I realized that Rodgers was no longer capable to take us where we want to go immediately after the loss to SF and I posted accordingly and continued to advocate for Rodgers to the traded throughout the 2022 off season. At least until the Packers signed him to his current ridiculous contract. So I would appreciate it if you don't put either words or thoughts in my posts that I have not expressed. I'll thank you in advance for that.

Third, If the team is not in cap hell then what would call the Packers current cap situation and why didn't we sign any meaningful and significant Free Agents during the current FA period? On Monday, general manager Brian Gutekunst said during the owners meeting, in Phoenix, that "we're limited financially" when asked if the Packers would re-sign Mason Crosby. Instead of "cap hell" may be it would be better if I used Gute's phrase "we're limited financially". sounds like the GM of the Packers admitting that the team is in cap hell.

As for weak spots the Packers do not currently have a starting TE on the roster. They currently do not have a starting Safety on the roster unless you want to consider Savage, who was benched last season, as a starting Safety. Think about that, being benched while playing on a Joe Barry defense is not exactly a sign that All=Pro is in his future, but who knows anything can happen. The Packers need help at Edge at least until Gary returns and that assumes that Gary returns to his All-Pro form which is unlikely in 2023 given the injury he suffered. Let's not forget that Preston Smith has not been an epitome of consistency during his time in Green Bay. At DL we have exactly one legitimate NFL player, specifically Kenny Clark. Playing next to him we have thoughts and prayers. Yes, they may evolve in 2023 but that has yet to be seen. On offense not only do we not have a starting TE but at this point we really have only one starting WR in Watson. Doubs and Toure have potential but Doubs needs to stay on the field and Toure is a question mark at this point. Starting OL should be solid but depth as you yourself have pointed out in numerous posts is questionable. You have posted that we have 6 or 7 OLs depending on the day and the post but we need 9. So we are at least short 2 players there. The Packers have yet to identify a backup QB for Love and the team needs at least one more RB. As for STs who is our kicker?

So out of 9 position groups on the team, QB, RB, OL, TE, WR, DL, Edge, ILB, DB the Packers have holes to fill in 8 of the position groups. all except for ILB where in reality we could use to add some depth with the loss of Barnes via FA. But you don't see any weak spots. OK I feel much better now.

The coaching staff is an entire article by itself. We have an HC who doesn't appear to know anything about defense or STs and who is an alleged offensive genius. Yet during 2021 and 2022 he has shown nothing effective in terms of a Red Zone offense, who has made questionable decisions about the OL in 2022, the 2020 and 2021 playoffs. Decisions which probably cost us both of the playoff games and at least a few games during 2022. Then in 2022 he continued to play his starting QB through broken thumb, knee and rib injuries when he had a backup QB allegedly ready to play. What? Really? Why? Then there is the hiring and now retaining of DC Barry for "continuity". Continuity of what? Playing our DBs 7-10 yards off the LOS. Plus unable to tackle or stop the run or generate an effective pass rush. Should we get to the promoting and keeping of Drayton as the ST coach after Drayton demonstrated that he was clueless and a decision which ultimately cost the Packers their 20221 season. To be fair I will give whoever made the decision to hire Bisaccia credit, whoever that was. I don't know if it was Murphy, Gute or MLF. But if MLF then he deserves Kudos for the hire. Plus Bisaccia has now been promoted to Assistant HC and hopefully that is warming MLFs seat for 2023 because the next step for Bisaccia is at least interim HC if Matt LaChooch falters.

You may be correct and I hope that you are about not being 2 seasons away but I think we need good to excellent drafts in 2023 and 2024, plus 2 seasons to free up our cap space plus at least 2 seasons for Love to reach the point to be ready to lead the Packers back to an SB. Hence I think 2025 will be our next best season to compete late Ito the playoffs. It could happen sooner and that would be great but I'm not expecting it.

This will be my 62nd season as a Packers fan and I hope you're correct that "this', whatever that means will play out this season. As I have since 1961, I will be rooting for the Packers to win the championship. I will not give up on a game or a season until it is played out. However, you are relatively new here at CHTV so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I always come down hard on mangement during the off seasons unless the team wins the championship. For me the off season is the time to question the FO and the coaching and consider what they could/should have done better and should be doing to improve the team. So I play the critic and Devil's Advocate for most of the off season. However, once the season begins I support the team 100% and as I posted I never give up on a game or a season until it's over. Long term posters here know and have known this about me going back to 2010 and the ALLGBP blog.

In conclusion there may be crow on the menu however it won't be for me because I will be supporting the Packers all the way to the SB in 2023 and beyond. But I will give the coaches and the FO hell in the offseason when the team fails to reach their annually stated goal. Realistically in 2023 I can see the Packers winning an average, at best, NFC North. But given Love's first season as a starter I can and accept that the Packers won't get that far. As I have also posted we need to give Love a chance and we need to manage our expectations accordingly. But who knows stranger things have happened in sports and I've witnessed many of them. LH you can wake up now, I'm done. Thanks, Since '61

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Oppy's picture

March 29, 2023 at 03:01 pm

The only real disagreement I have with your assessment... I would urge you to be cautious of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I feel Murphy's power grab / re-arrangement of structure has made it impossible for Gutekunst and MLF to operate effectively.

I do believe Rodgers being removed from the equation will at least simplify MLF's position and give him perhaps his first opportunity at actually presenting his offense as it is intended to be executed.

Gutekunst still has to contend with having his vision for the makeup of this team being dictated/stifled/re-arranged by the meddling of Murphy and a contract/roster manager (Russ Ball) who gets his directives and final approvals from Murphy instead of the GM.

The Gutekunst/Ball/Murhpy dynamic is easily the biggest issue with this team/ Murphy needs to get out of the mix, and the GM needs a cap/contracts man who reports directly to him. If you don't have that, you've got disfunction and the GM is not able to perform his job effectively.

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2023 at 03:47 pm

Oppy you're spot on as usual. The Murphy/Gute/Ball dynamic has been the biggest issue with this team since Murphy established it back in 2018. I agree completely. Two more seasons to go. Then who knows? But it will be a time to get the FO correct again. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

March 29, 2023 at 08:35 am

The compensation is cap repair and and end to a failed stratagem that was inevitably going to drag us down further. That’s always been the reality since that monstrous misjudgment of an extension. Picks are the jam, getting out from underneath is the key.

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Oppy's picture

March 29, 2023 at 03:05 pm

I have been on record since the start of talk of moving Rodgers that the prize isn't the compensation, but the cap relief/repair, the improved dynamic in the locker room, and the beginning of the future that all jumps off once Rodgers is gone. The picks and compensation that the Packers may garner are nice parting gifts.

..and when I say since the start of talk of moving Rodgers, I'm talking about since 2018, when I started talking about moving Rodgers :) :)

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Samson's picture

March 29, 2023 at 04:20 pm

cap relief/repair --- locker room --- the future

These are the only concerns of the situation that truly matter...Everything else is much less important, especially all the fan biases.

I like the path GB is headed...The Pack can finally extricate themselves from an overly dominant player with limited "bottom-line" results & then change into a team that now includes the "other 52"....It's a breath of fresh air & worthy of at least a couple of Leinie's.....

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2023 at 03:49 pm

Getting out from underneath is definitely the key. It will take time however. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Thanks, Since '61

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mbpacker's picture

March 28, 2023 at 05:16 pm

Nags- Maybe Aaron should go up to the Canadian Football League, he would be like god up there. Go to the best team and go for the Gray Cup!

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golfpacker1's picture

March 28, 2023 at 09:02 pm

RELAX and calm down everyone, me included. Nobody except the Packers and Jets brass have a clue as to what has been offered or asked for by either team. Do you really think anything truthful would be leaked to some idiot from a sports news source? Aaron himself has no clue at this point. The Packers are not going to trade a 4 time MVP for a ham sandwich and a bag of chips. And its probably not going to be 3 first round picks and 5 Pro Bowl players either.

No matter what anybody is reporting, it's not true because nobody from either organization is going to commit career suicide by reporting something that could mess this deal up. Neither team wants to blink first and get a worse outcome. Anybody who says its close to being done or is predicting what the trade details are or will be, are lying or guessing, or both. Guys that do what Ian Rapoport does all want the SCOOP OF THE YEAR, but no is going to give them one or they are out of professional football forever.

We are stuck in Ground Hogs Day for the near future. Don't hold your breath.

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Lootstone's picture

March 29, 2023 at 04:01 am

Is it April yet?

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greengold's picture

March 28, 2023 at 10:41 pm

My god. What is everybody’s undies in a twist about?

This deal is already done. They have to work the PR on this for both sides. Where do you think that Yahoo article came from? The NFL doesn’t have people there? Seriously???

Do yourselves a favor, sit back, laugh, and enjoy the ride just for the pure entertainment value. All of this will happen, and more!

We’re a month away from the draft. A full month to PR the F outta our heartstrings. Oh, trust me. It’s a thing, and it’s already begun:

1. Statements made at owners mtg saying deal still in discussion but nothing final. Talking heads floated 13 off the table.

2. Packer fans irate at being taken advantage of. Jets fans wanting to hold onto 13, but not to lose the deal over it.

3. Subterfuge, for a couple weeks leading to draft. Outrageous statements followed by quiet. More smatterings of nothingness. After June 1st. We can wait. There’s no rush. Blah. Blah. Blah.

4. Rodger Goodell announces Draft Day 1 deal finally reached. Jets fans had time to accept loss of 13, 42, 43. Thrilled to have AR. Packer fans saddened by loss of popular players, but elated by draft capital riches received in blockbuster deal.

5. Everybody wins.

Thank you for this, Nags!

The Jets have no Center. I mean, he sucks. Really really bad. I wonder if Myers isn’t also included, and Zach Tom takes over at starting C???? Huh. … wow. I knew it was bad bad bad on their OL.

Bak. Myers. Runyan. Rodgers. All know the scheme.

How much draft capital is that worth? As the Violent Femmes say, “Add it up!”

Please, refrain from telling me they’re not expendable. They are. You know they are too. Whoah.

Ok. Peace & Cheers!

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 28, 2023 at 11:09 pm

You keep posting that and you may just "will" it into existence. I hope you're right.

I thought the same thing a few days ago, but Gutey's remarks made me lose confidence...

It's funny, I was madder than a scalded dog when Gutey drafted Love. (Come to think of it, I was even madder when TT drafted AR.)

By the time Favre retired and come back to camp, I was so ready to be rid of Favre, I could barely stand it.

Now that Love is ready to take over for AR12, I'm not near as upset with Gutey either. IDK if TT or Gutey had drafted a WR instead of QBs if we'd have 2 or maybe more Super Bowl wins and we'll never know, but I sure would've liked to find out too.

; )

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greengold's picture

March 28, 2023 at 11:26 pm

Funny, BDU. I was pissed at Favre’s & Rodgers’ BS equally. Was thrilled when Ted had Rodgers dropped in his lap. Was more thrilled with Gutekunst’s trade up for Love.

I’ve got very good friends that were pissed when Love was drafted.

New era begins in earnest.

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Lootstone's picture

March 29, 2023 at 03:54 am

I like the optimism. A draft day trade does seem fitting.

As the saying goes, "no news is good news."

God speed GB.

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2023 at 03:52 pm

Sticking with you gg!!! More, more, more! Thanks. Since '61

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Lootstone's picture

March 29, 2023 at 04:42 am

To those that missed his QA, Shanahan was asked:

Q: Would you trade Trey Lance?

SHANAHAN: "I feel we're in a very good situation at quarterback where we drafted a guy we really wanted, and we don't feel any different about him now than we did three years ago when we took him. It's just unfortunate that he hasn't gotten to play. He was going to play last year and I think people were going to be very impressed with him, but he got hurt. That opened opportunities, and now we have another guy who can play very well, we have Sam Darnold who can play and I hope all three of these guys are with us, but we'll listen to anything."

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"What's Love in one hand, without a Lance in the other?"

I mean come on we even got a slogan ready to go. Feel free to use this for an article/title on cheeseheadtv - you're welcome!

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T7Steve's picture

March 29, 2023 at 09:42 am

How bout, Lance your (Tim) Boyle?

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Lootstone's picture

March 29, 2023 at 01:18 pm

Maybe you don't remember the bomb pass on our GB secondary? Or his QB sneak in the maybe 10 plays we ever faced against him. Point is he's cheap right now. Picked 3rd overall and Watson's former teammate.

His injury was one that takes a long time to properly recover from. But he's the perfect insurance plan for Jordan. Because if Jordan isn't good and he's sat for 4 years, not great for the Packers. One year would easily tell us what we need to know. Both Lance and Love would start new contracts next year.

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T7Steve's picture

March 29, 2023 at 01:44 pm

Sorry, I was TRYING to be funny, AGAIN. Need a new line of work, I guess. Haven't been very successful at it today. Should change my handle to T7RodneyDangerfield.

Actually, I like your thinking and shouldn't have taken away from it.

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Lootstone's picture

March 29, 2023 at 02:46 pm

It was funny, gross, and not sure if I was supposed to be comparing the two lol - so I didn't know how to take it. Horrible imagery for sure though lol.

My only worry is the cap hit and whether the Packers view that as worthy enough to take on considering out current dilemmas with an almost empty player bank account.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 29, 2023 at 10:30 am

GreenGold, if the O-line players you listed in the trade above were to be included in the trade, what would we gain on the salary cap?

How much would we still owe all of the players that would be leaving?

Can the Jets afford cap wise to take on these players?

What players do you think we would get back from Jets in trade?

Could we still trade Savage and gain the $8 million for our cap?

What do you think of trading Savage for Okwuegbunam? And trading $8mil for $900,000? Denver needs safety help and don't need Okwuegbunam. We need TE.

How high are you on Sean Rhyan and Rasheed Walker? Will they contribute this year?

Would you draft Jack Campbell and trade Devondre for cap savings and move rebuild ahead at ILB too?

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greengold's picture

March 29, 2023 at 02:19 pm

I don't know exactly how much, but, it's going to be a big chunk just removing our top 2 cap expenditures in AR & DBak. Runyan will cost us nothing. Myers is still on his rookie deal.

I believe the Jets have cleared enough to handle bringing them in, then they can work their own extensions.

I don't think the Jets can really trade players unless they have zero dead cap. The Packers will be eating so much dead cap in AR and DB alone that we will be hard pressed to take new player contracts in trade - just my guess.

What the Jets do have to trade us in return are all of their draft picks going into and beyond 2026. Not saying they will extend out that far, but, who knows how they structure this gigantic set of deals?

Trading Savage is impossible, as we would have to absorb his $7.91M in dead cap. We're pretty much dead capped out.

Never was a huge Sean Rhyan fan, but, despite his short arms for LT, he has a unique playing style that was very effective at UCLA.

I am high on Rasheed Walker. What a steal by Gutekunst - at Pick 249!!!! - We'll see...

Rankings Overall for Rasheed Walker: PFF #121, Ourlads #105, Athlon #93 and The Sporting News #138

Both players could be dynamite or duds. Hoping for the best, and looking forward to more additions to our OL.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

March 30, 2023 at 05:26 am

Jets GM Joe Douglas drafted Zach Wilson 2nd overall in the 2021 draft & watched the Jets trade for & draft QB Sam Darnold 3rd overall in 2018. Douglas then traded Sam Darnold, & benched Wilson, after Douglas had given up on the two 23 year olds after 38 starts for Darnold and 22 for Wilson.

The Jets were originally so high on Darnold that they traded 4 high picks to get Darnold - their 6th overall pick in 2018, 2018 37th overall pick, 2018 49th overall pick and their 2019 2nd round pick (which would be 34th overall).

Given that the Packers think so highly of Jordan Love that they are willing to give way the QB that won the passer rating title over 31 other starting QBs 2 of the last 3 years and is a 4 time MVP, wouldn't the Jets think the same & drop the idea of Aaron as their QB in an instant & jump at a Packer offer of young 24 yr old Jordan Love?

With Jordan so highly thought of, would the Jets give the Packers a Russell Wilson like package in return?:

Russell Wilson was traded for 7 players - the 9th (2022), 5th (2023), 40th (2022), 37th (2023) picks in the NFL Draft - all unconditional draft picks - & a young solid starting tight end (Noah Fant, the 20th pick in the 2019 draft) & a starting defensive end (Shelby Harris) & quarterback Drew Lock (2nd round 42nd overall pick in the 2019 draft - 6 players who will be Seattle starters and 2 of which (5th and 9th pick) will probably be all pros and a backup or possible starting QB in young Lock.

If no, why not?

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vin0770's picture

March 30, 2023 at 01:47 pm

After last year I’m having a hard time seeing him as an effective leader of men 😩. Cleaver coordinator maybe but that’s it.

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