#PackersDaily: I hope they kneel

Aaron chats with Packers fans worldwide about all things Green and Gold, including a whiny section of the fanbase who won't shut up about players possibly kneeling for the anthem.

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lowcsp's picture

August 07, 2020 at 10:02 am

Thanks for the last couple of years but now I'm unsubscribed and done

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josefK's picture

August 07, 2020 at 05:17 pm

finished also - you are a preening scumbag

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 03:24 am

Thank you for staying just a couple of days. CHTV gets a little better. Again.
You must love Vince Lombardi

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:54 am

You made CHTV a better place.
Go watch Fox News, Conspiracy theories, flat earth and stuff should be better for you. You want be missed, even you are here only since yesterday?

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mamasboy's picture

August 08, 2020 at 05:08 pm

Fast moving mouth...slow moving mind. You must be one of the maybe 50 people who watch MSNBC and actually believe what they hear.

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Roninwave's picture

August 07, 2020 at 10:32 am

Love your show but if you are going to turn it into political commentary see you as I will be gone. You hope it pisses me off-ok how about if we stop following Cheesehead TV? Will that piss you off? You are entertainment don't be stupid and kill your golden goose.

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 04:03 am

We far pass that point where people care about money (besides the organge loooser of course). You have to stand up for the right things that are normal and basic. Had nothing to do with politics. And if we do nothing against the fringe right there would be no use for money in this world anyway.
Lot of people will pissed off if unvincentlompardi people will be part of the packers family.
So everything is good and thancks for the good news.

But as you only here since a couple of hours, you may be only a russian troll anyway. So actually the idiot here posting something back....

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ghostdog1108's picture

August 09, 2020 at 04:02 pm

And you talk about conspiracy theories.................., door knob..............,

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IceBowl's picture

August 09, 2020 at 04:45 pm

fastmoving ..... your posts (and grammer) may lead someone to think you are the troll. Maybe the Russian troll, as you accuse, or Ukrainian, or Chinese or German?

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 07, 2020 at 10:57 am

Nagler being so dismissive of how others are offended by those kneeling, while supporting those who deem everything offensive not on their agenda or part of their narrative. A true Leftist.

I guess this political comment by me will also be taken down because only one side here gets to be political, though Nagler and party will conclude kneeling isn't a political issue, neither is BLM, AntiFA, White Supremacy and especially COVID-19.

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 03:44 am

Actually only the fringe right has an agenda. All the other just trying to be good people.
It has nothing to do with politics......

all people with a brain (Dems or GOP) just know that the Dumbest alt right have take the country down and all rules it was build of.
Time to send the Fox News gys where they belong. Would be funny to see how the dumb, cowards who are afraid of everything (mostly working and fighting) to build a country.
All they can do is tearing something down, like we see since 4 years every second.

You can build something on proaganda, hate and idleness, just to get some tainted money out of it for your personal gain. We are lucky if we have something left so save after a sucker like Trump runs us into the ground. And that has nothing to do with politics only with common sense.

And if you want to talk politics...compared to Trump Reagan was a leftist. You must be from the KKK to look note like a leftist compared to the orange wig and his minons. Never thought it comes that far. And very sad, even the whole world is laughing about us.

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edp1959's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:04 am

And here is your typical liberal POS who doesn't have the intellectual ability to debate a subject so they move to personal attacks. You are the ones the world is laughing at.

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fthisJack's picture

August 08, 2020 at 03:43 pm

You're describing your cult leader you douchebag!!!LOL!

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Gman1976's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:51 am

Only the fringe right have an agenda? Look at what the fringe left is doing to our cities. Your prideful ignorance is blinding you.

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sonomaca's picture

August 07, 2020 at 11:01 am

My last post. I’m unsubscribing to everything Cheesehead TV. Out.

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 04:05 am

thanks good!! unsubscribe the Packers do.......could be only good for all of us. Like the thumbs up showing......

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2020 at 02:26 pm

Losing good commentators is never good.

If all you want to do is hear yourself vindicated, one of us is on the wrong place. Naturally, from your posts, you will be certain it’s me.

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TheVOR's picture

August 07, 2020 at 11:19 am

I think the NFL underestimates who their actual paying fan base is, as do the players underestimate who's actually paying their salaries.

I think everyone can get behind equality and equal rights, but when it's attached to Violence, Terrorism, Beatings, Crime, Damage to Cities and Store Fronts, Damage to people, and last and hardly least, Marxist Communism, I WILL NEVER SUPPORT IT...

THE CHEESE STANDS ALONE on this one brother, we couldn't disagree more!

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:14 am

good thing, when the orange cowords leave, we all can only win....

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fthisJack's picture

August 08, 2020 at 03:47 pm

But you do support that fucking Nazi in the WH?

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mamasboy's picture

August 08, 2020 at 05:10 pm

Do you even know what a Nazi is? IDIOT!!!!!!!

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August 07, 2020 at 11:35 am

Good bye to all those leaving. You won't be missed.

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gmeyers1's picture

August 07, 2020 at 01:36 pm

I'm with you. The guys who don't want politics, really just don't want politics that's different from their own. The word that describes that point of view starts with an h.

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josefK's picture

August 07, 2020 at 10:27 pm

well I like Nagler but he is an arrogant wealthy liberal fool. He won't reply because he is an arrogant virtue-signaling scumbag who never lived outside the US as I have, as well as in the real NYC which is Manhattan - not cheap Astoria - and then he brag's about being from NEW YORK CITY - Astoria is not Manhattan and you are a drunk liberal virtue signaller who never lived outside the the US - so does not appreciate the liberties in the Bill of Rights many of my family have died for - you cheap scumbag

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:07 am

It's all part of the metro area. Many Blacks have also served and died, then went home to segregation. You're language precedes you're ignorance.

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stormin's picture

August 07, 2020 at 08:33 pm

Who wants to be associated with an asshole like you anyway !

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Leatherhead's picture

August 07, 2020 at 11:49 am

Very disappointed that Nagler chooses to dismiss vets who have sacrificed for this country as “whiners”. I would consider this an absolute failure to even try to understand the other person’s point of view. Shame on you.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 07, 2020 at 11:49 am

Very disappointed that Nagler chooses to dismiss vets who have sacrificed for this country as “whiners”. I would consider this an absolute failure to even try to understand the other person’s point of view. Shame on you.

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Guam's picture

August 07, 2020 at 12:02 pm

I have to strongly agree with you on this on LH. While I understand the tactic the kneelers are employing to make their point, there is a legitimate opposing point of view. When we stop listening to each other and one side just dismisses an opposing point of view as whining, that is very wrong.

While I am not leaving CHTV, I have lost a great deal of respect for Aaron Nagler. Shame on you Mr. Nagler. You are no better than the whiners you decry.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 07, 2020 at 12:48 pm

Guam....they should choose a different form of protest. I’m opposed to racial inequality and police brutality, but I’m also opposed to people disrespecting my flag and country. I’ll never support this.

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Guam's picture

August 07, 2020 at 01:08 pm

I also would prefer they choose a different form of protest but for somewhat different reasons. I have lived abroad for a fair chunk of my adult life and seen several other cultures "up close and personal". All of these cultures are surprisingly mono-ethnic and decidedly interested in keeping their culture mono-ethnic. Coming back to America from this perspective has allowed me to marvel at our incredible ethnic diversity and multiplicity of cultures. The unifying theme of this incredible montage is that we are all Americans.

I worry we when choose to pick at the symbolic ties that bind us (flag, anthem and country) and what that does to our nation. Ask Spain about Catalonia or Basque or Japan about its ethnic Korean former slaves and you get an idea of what that can do to a country. I just hope we don't reach the stage of undoing the ties that make us all American while trying to rectify problems.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:14 am

HOW IS KNEELING DISRESPECTFUL !!! When I was watching the Olympics and a back fist was raised, that was a bit much because it could have been misconstrued .

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Bure9620's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:15 am

Let me guess....a form of protest which would be acceptable to you.......

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:56 am

Made it pretty clear, KNEELING.

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Gman1976's picture

August 07, 2020 at 09:10 pm

I suspect Nagler and most kneelers are not vets and suspect that they are quite ignorant of history and blinded by their pride, ignorance, privilege and comfortable lifestyle. I could only listen for about 4-5 minutes of his rant in which he denigrated those of us who supposedly don’t listen and don’t agree with being divisive and desecrating sacred national symbols that represent truth, freedom, equality, strength, peace, unity, hope and those who have sacrificed their lives to give these special values and dreams for all Americans and people around the world.

As a veteran, a lifelong Packer fan, and regular reader of Cheeseheadtv, my guts have churned when divisive politics take precedence over healing and unity and just enjoying the game of Packer football. As a white man who was literally attacked by local fireman with a baseball bat, because I brought a black friend into our white neighborhood, l have zero tolerance for racism (whether it’s by whites or blacks. I’ve seen hatred on both sides). I also have little tolerance for those who show disgust and disdain for those us who love our country and the few sacred symbols that everyone (yes, most everyone no matter what political party or color) used to respect when I was growing up.

Aaron, I am saddened that you don’t realize the poison that you have injected here. I have enjoyed your football. commentary and personality, and enjoyed the banter and insight here; but I am not sure how much I’ll be coming back to the site. This country is coming apart from the seams, and I don’t come hear to listen to those of you who are divisive and just can’t love and respect your fellow Packer fan because he or she is different.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:15 am

Don't change the wording, he didn't say vets are whiners.

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 07, 2020 at 12:09 pm

The solution to this is so simple it's ridiculous. But first, let me say that I am a Vet who served, and it doesn't affect me or bother me at all. I'm not going to let the actions of a few people I will never meet, offend me.

The solution? Stop playing the anthem at games. Why do they even do it in the first place? It's a football game, not a political rally or Presidential inauguration. During the playing of the anthem, how many fans are actually standing and paying attention anyway? At LEAST 1/3 of the fans are either trying to find their seats or standing in line to get some overpriced crappy "food" or watered down beer.

Don't watch the playing of the anthem if it affects you so profoundly. Then sit back and enjoy the game. Pretty damn simple.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 07, 2020 at 12:46 pm

Yes, many people in the stands aren't giving the attention the Anthem deserves before the start of games. But you miss again the point. Standing and the removal of ones hat while in view of the Anthem and Flag is the sign of respect. Of course people will fidget, continue to get their hot dog etc but their all standing, and we understand they're not being disrespectful on purpose and that is different from those that kneel. Every nation plays their Anthem before a sporting event. Only an Anti-American would consider its abandonment altogether.

The solution to a problem or issue isn't always simply stopping whatever. We have an entitlement problem with illegals, let's just stop it. We have an education problem, lets stop teaching. There are criminals all over the country doing harm, let's abandon all law and order. Do you believe doing these are also the solution? Well, the abandonment of the National Anthem is the way to start, especially if you hate this country.

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 07, 2020 at 02:00 pm

Believe me, the last thing I want to do is get into a back and forth with you. I've learned in the past it's pointless.

I simply asked a legitimate question. Why does the anthem have to be played at sporting events? It's called having a dialogue. I never said to abandon our national anthem and you know it. There are many more appropriate places to honor it other than a football game. And to go off on all these other tangents, like abandoning our education system or trying figure out our complex immigration system, and that I hate this country from that....wow!

You have your views on this subject. I have mine. Let's leave it at that.

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August 07, 2020 at 01:36 pm

I'm sorry, but I can't just let this "hating America" thing go unchallenged.

I've lived in this country for 70 years, paying taxes for 50. I've raised my wonderful family here. Coached their various little league teams. Watched them graduate high school, then college. Becoming a proud grandparent. I faithfully served in the military when I was called upon to do so.

If that's your definition of being Anti-American and that I hate this country, simply because I don't share your views on this topic, it's you who are being disrespectful and missing the point.

Please, no need to respond.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 07, 2020 at 02:37 pm

I've been a natural born citizen for all my 65 years and no matter what I have done, as you mentioned of yourself, the solution of not playing the Anthem is anti-American,period.

The no need to respond is a sign of a single view only mentality, Leftist, and I will never be silent or not respond, especially when told to do so.

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bjkdad44's picture

August 07, 2020 at 09:42 pm

Why do you have to say “leftist” then?

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Bure9620's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:48 am

Because everything is poltical for those people...To them " The left" are somehow more evil than actual American adversaries now.....like Russia putting out bounties on American troops heads. ...... for those people in the bubble the bounties are not an issue...it is "the left" and "the media" and the "deep state"....and players kneeling for the anthem protesting and creating awareness for social injustice....they are the bigger issue.....it is a struggle of good vs evil for them, just watch Fox news for one evening, the bubble is quite interesting.....

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Since'61's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:27 am

Fox News is nothing but a propaganda show. As an entertainment network they are not required by the FCC to provide actual or accurate news. They can literally make it up and often do.

Fox News is news of the imbeciles, by the imbeciles, for the imbeciles. They should have their license revoked, but we have free speech so they are allowed to perform as the Goebbel’s news network. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Lphill's picture

August 08, 2020 at 11:19 am

So I guess your a big MSNBC fan , the home of censorship.

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Bure9620's picture

August 08, 2020 at 11:40 am

No that would be the strategy of the executive branch.......MSNBC does not tear gas and disperse people whom peacefully assemble and exercise their 1st amendment liberties.......

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IceBowl's picture

August 10, 2020 at 12:19 pm

Bure9620 ...."peacefully assemble?"

I would not call throwing bricks, cursing, climbing the fences, etc. a "peaceful assembly."

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Bure9620's picture

August 10, 2020 at 12:35 pm

None of those actions were happening in Lafayette park

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IceBowl's picture

August 10, 2020 at 04:08 pm

Bure9620 ........ yes they were. Maybe not on main stream media, your source apparently. For example, a brick to the back of a head ..... stitches..... happened.

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August 08, 2020 at 12:48 pm

Lphill, No, almost never for MSNBC.
My news sources include The Wall Street Journal, The Financial Times, The Economist, NPR, PBS, BBC, Reuters, Bloomberg, The International Herald Tribune, The New Yorker and the National Review, the Sunday NY Times and several online subscriptions to Asian, European and South American Journals. I also get numerous medical journals from my son who is a doctor. Which is good during this era of Covid 19. I’d rather be informed by professionals who know what they are talking about than airheads on TV or from a President who rejects science and who tells the American people “It is what it is.” While Americans are dying. I’m sure that was a great comfort to the families and friends of the sick and dying.

At least half of these periodicals would not be considered “progressive” leaning. I need the mix of sources to keep up with
both domestic and international politics and finances for my Mergers and Acquisition business. Although I’m retired I still have several clients who have kept me on a personal retainer so I need reliable unbiased sources to the extent possible. Plus I prefer to see how the International press looks at the USA. They are not very impressed I can assure you of that.
Speaking for myself I usually know the news MSNBC or Fox or other US networks provide before they go on the air every evening. Except for some local stuff. You should try a few of these sources. Find out how the informed live. Thanks, Since ‘61

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August 09, 2020 at 10:24 am

Since'61,

You just performed what is considered by most, a "mic drop".
Kudos.

In the age of access to information like never before, more and more people make the decision to be truly uninformed, and allow their world view to be shaped by organizations with a political agenda, instead of seeking out information from many sources, and making up their own minds.

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Lphill's picture

August 09, 2020 at 07:47 pm

Yawn

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splitpea1's picture

August 09, 2020 at 10:05 pm

Just give yourself a conk on the head with a crab mallet--it's better than listening to the drone of the Energizer Bunny with his incessant chatter.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:39 pm

Owned by a foreign oligarch, how Patriotic.

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splitpea1's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:52 pm

Virtually all news outlets are propaganda shows, dum-dum. Calm down--you're starting to sound like the biggest imbecile out there yourself.

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August 07, 2020 at 05:49 pm

Yeah, yeah there are plenty of people on this blog that have served. Ignoring the issue doesn’t make it go away. Other sports play the Athem too before games. It is played in the Olympics. Since when is standing for the Athem a political thing? I would think that everyone would rather live here and show a little respect for the country that offers more opportunities than any other place on this planet. If you don’t like it there are a lot of people willing to trade places with you. City mayors and city Councils are the reason police problem exists. If you want the problem fixed quit electing a crappy local officials. Don’t protest the country.

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August 07, 2020 at 07:18 pm

Timothy McVeigh was a vet too , any vet who feels it’s ok to disrespect the flag is a traitor very simple.

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August 08, 2020 at 10:09 am

Actually a President who lies to the American public on a regular basis and pays hush money to porn stars is the traitor. And don't come back with the..."yeah but Bill Clinton" crap. He was morally bankrupt as well.

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August 08, 2020 at 03:00 pm

Clinton another big money pawn, but where is the indignation from the "patriot's den" of like-minded fools trained by fuchs noise regarding the Bounties paid by donny's buddy Vladimir to the Taliban to kill U.S. Soldiers in the Hindu Kush mountains. In my book that is the definition of a collaborator. Maybe they need to take a trip in an ultra-light and get chased by a Sam-75.

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fthisJack's picture

August 10, 2020 at 08:14 am

And Private Bonespur who squirmed out of serving his country is your hero? What fucking planet did you people come from?

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splitpea1's picture

August 07, 2020 at 12:46 pm

Why don't you take your childish inflammatory chat elsewhere and stop acting like a little weenie? Grow up. People obviously have strong feelings one way or the other, so why stir them up unnecessarily? This subject has already been discussed ad nauseam anyway and most fans are familiar with the others' stance on the subject. If you can't come up with a better or less contentious item of discussion, take a break until you can.

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:16 am

you just can turn it off, just like everyone did with your posts....

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Bear's picture

August 07, 2020 at 12:48 pm

They can take a knee at the coin flip doesn’t have to be during the national anthem.

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Duneslick's picture

August 07, 2020 at 12:57 pm

I never thought Aaron Nagler would back a racist group. This is now morphed in to BLM

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Lphill's picture

August 07, 2020 at 04:34 pm

A group started by Marxist’s and now run by American Terrorist Susan Rosenberg, pardoned from prison by Bill Clinton on his last day in office.

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:17 am

Brees is so right.......

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August 08, 2020 at 02:19 am

you can never have a more dumb and racist group than Trump an his looosers

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2020 at 07:49 am

A fighting words insult to 65 million of your countrymen, including veterans, law enforcement, first responders, truckers, farmers, construction workers, etc.....

When they start fighting, you won’t have to wonder why.

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fordguy's picture

August 08, 2020 at 12:21 pm

Patiently waiting for the spark and then we'll see how those mouths work.

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August 10, 2020 at 08:29 am

You're in the minority, dude. What you going to do when you lose your cult leader in November? Start shooting?

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frankthefork's picture

August 07, 2020 at 01:18 pm

Hypocrites. Why should anyone's opinions or beliefs affect anyone of us? Love whom you want or leave. Who appointed any of you as the judgement maker? We all have choices and the same freedoms. End of this story...and get on with living, giving and understanding.

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August 07, 2020 at 09:51 pm

Works for me! Thanks, Since ‘61

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August 07, 2020 at 01:23 pm

You are blind...and an ignorant ass. Bye Bye Ass Hole.

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August 07, 2020 at 01:35 pm

Aaron Nagler... you couldn't be anymore correct. (As a fellow AHSE alumnus, I applaud you)

Just ignore all the sheep that follow that moron in the WH... Their days are numbered. (88 to go).
Kneeling has to do with inequality in the US... It has NEVER had anything to do with the flag, military or patriotism for this country... ---- The sheep who follow donald duck need to become informed & at least attempt to make their own decisions based on truth.

Here's some homework for the sheep... Research & find out how the trumper avoided any military service.

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August 07, 2020 at 04:35 pm

Check out hiding Biden’s 5 draft deferments.

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August 07, 2020 at 06:17 pm

I don’t support trump but support my country.. I hope trump wins so your Demi ass can wine for four more years.. You’re gross, yuck..

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:22 am

How can you support our country, when you watch how a old orange coward turned it into the biggest mess since 200 years???
It may be already to late for America and I was a Republican

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edp1959's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:06 am

Yeah tell another lie, you have never been a republican or a conservative.

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Adorabelle's picture

August 07, 2020 at 01:45 pm

You would have hoped the insanity of 2020 would provide some perspective to peaceful protests. But I am getting to the point of Nagler. All the ones who keep saying they are out, how come they are still here to keep telling us they are out over and over? Be gone already. Everyone is doing this now. You are on the wrong side of history at this point. The NBA put BLM right on the court and their jerseys. Baseball has entire teams and managers kneeling and wearing BLM patches on their uniforms. Hockey players are kneeling. Soccer in other countries are all kneeling. The Aussie Rules game had all the players kneeling and wearing a BLM shirt during warmups. Every tv show and movie has a statement right on the credits or on twitter in support of the movement. So if this so offends you that you are out, please be out already and go away. Maybe there are puppet shows or Fox News you can still watch but otherwise the entire world has gotten behind this.

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Samson's picture

August 07, 2020 at 01:56 pm

Thanks ... A very truthful post... I agree, all those offended with the much needed cultural changes in this country are living in the past.

They need to leave CHTV... instead of just saying it... do it!!--- (and take all your ids with ya)

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BAMABADGER's picture

August 07, 2020 at 04:10 pm

The BLM "trend/fad" is a false narrative. I would encourage all Packer fans watch the police body camera of the initial arrest of Mr. Floyd. The police showed extreme restraint. The tape had to be leaked to British media because the MN State Attorney General would not allow it's release. He and the incompetent Minni city leaders could have minimized the urban riots, murders, and destruction by getting these body cam tapes to the press immediately. In short, the toxicology report showed Mr. Floyd to be a walking overdose drug addict time bomb. Fact, the coroner's original autopsy determined cause of death was a heart attack. Fact, the DA told the coroner to change the autopsy conclusion to asphyxiation. All the rioting and murders were/are political in nature and continue by AntiFa and the BLM political organization. The media, some politicians and BLM political organization have convicted these officers without a fair trial. Should the officer have held Mr. Floyd down with a knee to the back of the neck? No... however allow lady justice to work. Immediately raising the anti-police race card led to billions of dollars of urban destruction . I am old enough to have witnessed significant, radical cultural changes in this country and willing to debate them. Individual freedom is imperative and a God given right for all Americans. Everyone has the right to their opinion. For someone to say leave this forum because they disagree with your rational or irrational ideas is either arrogant or to be polite - foolish.

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Adorabelle's picture

August 07, 2020 at 06:57 pm

John Oliver showed a clip from a 1957 news report with a sweet looking lady telling the interviewer that "the problem with this integration stuff is next thing you know they will want to intermarry and be equal with us. "

In 50 years quotes downplaying BLM will look as out of step and make future people amazed past people once thought that. The wheel of time tends toward justice and a world where everyone knows DWB exists and everyone thinks oh well what you gonna do, is a world that requires change.

I am not telling anyone to leave. They are saying it. How they are done over and over. I reckon they must have quit 59 times each now. And how can we miss you if you haven't left yet?

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August 07, 2020 at 08:26 pm

Adorabelle, thank you for saving me from having to express the same sentiment, though far less clearly and powerfully than you have done! I always appreciate your passionately intelligent posts. I would only add this question for the quitters: how did they arrive at the notion that they alone are sustaining the team, and that all will crumble when they leave? If they would leave--and leave space within which a more diverse fan base might feel more comfortable--that wheel of time toward greater justice will noticeably have taken us all forward.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:44 pm

You Lie, 'Bama boy. A 17 year old young woman's smart phone showed the world a picture perfect view of a murder, yet you deflect with an inbred bias and litany of disinformation that would make Goebbles proud.

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August 10, 2020 at 01:20 pm

jannesbjoronson ...... funny you would use Goebbles in this conversation. He was one of the highest ranking members in one of the most racist organizations the world has ever seen. Those fascist Nazi's had room for only one race as peers.

And as for whose life matters, why does a black life matter more than mine? They do not. I did not reference "BLM" as they are a fascist/marxist/ socialist (your choice) organization trying to disrupt the US way of life. not necessarily promote any race. And they do not try to hide it. (check their homepage).

And I have to say, if you think that limited clip of the murder was the whole clip/story, you need to rethink before talking. Then you may not sound so uninformed in your post.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:40 am

Foolish is your rationalization of the murder.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:03 am

ribbit

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splitpea1's picture

August 07, 2020 at 03:34 pm

Translation: "Baa...." Go back to your fantasy novels.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:45 pm

Like " the art of the Deal".

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Lphill's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:23 pm

And all this disrespect for the flag and law and order will help re elect Trump so maybe you should think about leaving , Cuba maybe?

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The_Justicar's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:35 pm

How are the people claiming they are “out” any different than the celebrities who stated they would leave America if Trump won the last election? None of those celebrities left. Zero. However, since opening day restart in all sports....ratings are down after the big BLM displays. Except for one sport...the PGA. Which is doing nothing political. The nbas ratings are being impacted the most. clippers vs lakers had less viewers than their pre Covid matchups. They are the only sport that didn’t have any post Covid bump for their new opening day 1. Additionally,. Espn subscribers has dropped 6% already in Q3 compared to last year and we are just halfway through the quarter. With cord cutting espn has been averaging a 1-3% loss in subscribers every quarter the past 2 years so down 6% with half the quarter to go is a huge drop and a direct reflection of the political - and only one side of politics - being thrust into sports. So...I can’t verify people are leaving cheesehead tv because of political takes...but in general people’s displeasure has been seem in espn subscribers and tv ratings.

You rag on Fox News but their prime time news shows is averaging 2-6x the viewers (depends on the sport and day of week) than every sporting event it on at the same time. That is not a misprint...fox is averaging 5-6 million viewers for their news shows while the nba is now averaging 1-2 million during the same time slot. (Had 3.2 million on restart but hasn’t been close to that since).. So not a good argument that everyone is behind it. I’d guess by your statements that you lean left and only follow and listen to and believe tweets and media that angles to one narrative. I hate both sides since I’m a middle ground type of person. I base my opinion on data. Not emotions.

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Adorabelle's picture

August 07, 2020 at 10:18 pm

The top five cable news programs for the month of July were as follows: Hannity (4,096,000), Tucker Carlson Tonight (4,020,000), The Ingraham Angle (3,415,000), The Rachel Maddow Show (3,339,000), The Five (3,307,000).

The everyone is behind it I meant was the leagues and the players. They have decided they are doing this. Even the NFL management that tried to tread such a fine line years ago now says they were wrong for not supporting this in the past. The ones threatening they are walking if this happens are waving bye to a departing ship. This is already happening in every sport. The Tweets of players indicate a commitment to this and any loss of fans is not going to dissuade them.

Overall, polls put support of BLM protests at around 63 - 67 % in most polls I have observed. So maybe this explains why even the generally more conservative NFL put its support behind the players.

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Adorabelle's picture

August 07, 2020 at 10:42 pm

My personal support of this issue does spring from my living with a black man for the last 4 years. Only time he ever yelled at me was to "shut up" when I was giving guff to the officer that pulled us over for no reason. We all knew it was simply because a black man was driving a nice car in a nice neighborhood. He told me after that every black person just knows they have to put up with that sort of thing. So everyone will have to excuse me if I think this is something that's worth getting excited about and for believing change is required.

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mamasboy's picture

August 08, 2020 at 11:54 pm

Your man friend is wise. Listen to him, and PLEASE SHUT UP !!!!!!!!!

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August 07, 2020 at 09:48 pm

Agree 100% Adorabelle!

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:25 am

Just right Adorabelle, but this conspiracy theorists will always find some stupid shit to turn it around. Say Trump dumb and that means brain death

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fthisJack's picture

August 08, 2020 at 07:43 am

Old scared white racist cracker ass MFers...Trump's pathetic base....the end is near assholes.

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lowcsp's picture

August 09, 2020 at 06:26 pm

at least you dont sound racist

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August 10, 2020 at 08:45 am

I am white and I despise you white racist wimps....you have no place in today's America! Accept that we are all equal or get the fuck out of Dodge!

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Lphill's picture

August 09, 2020 at 08:05 pm

Says the racist . What a loser

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WMA's picture

August 07, 2020 at 02:13 pm

I have no issue with the kneeling. A thought came to mind how when kids in school would kneel to pray they were breaking the school rules. I had no issue with that either. Thought the idea behind this country was that all are allowed to voice their opinions and like here agree to disagree. How we are agreeing to disagree has become the issue. One more thing ..... Go Pack Go.

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 07, 2020 at 03:16 pm

I totally agree. To have people label you anti-American because you have a different opinion than theirs is a virus in and of itself. Covid-19 will eventually go away. Unfortunately, the 'thought police' never will.

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flackcatcher's picture

August 07, 2020 at 02:34 pm

THANK GOD IT'S FRIDAY..... :-)

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Mooreken70's picture

August 07, 2020 at 03:01 pm

Look at all these hit dogs hollarin'!!!! Nah nah nah nah.... Hey hey hey.... GOOOODBYYYYEEE....

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stormin's picture

August 07, 2020 at 08:37 pm

Yeah, goodbye to you Moekern70, you are just a sniveling coward hiding behind your PC !

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:38 am

thanks good this unmoral loooosers leave now. Nobody want them here anyway. Most of them are as coward as the orange and russian trolls anyway

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lowcsp's picture

August 09, 2020 at 06:33 pm

i have tryed to read your posts and i have to ask what color is the sky in your world

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BamaBob's picture

August 07, 2020 at 03:11 pm

I come to CheeseHead TV to get away from politic. I wholehearted agree with ALL LIVES MATTER, but stick to football PLEASE.

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dfarmer's picture

August 07, 2020 at 04:06 pm

could have been solved when Kapernick started it.. We all have the right to protest, etc legally. BUT NOT AT WORK.. DO IT ON YOUR OWN TIME..

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Oppy's picture

August 07, 2020 at 06:59 pm

It's really not your business if they do it at work or not. If their employer allows it, that's THEIR business, not yours.

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Adorabelle's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:49 pm

That is way too overly simplistic. My job also doesn't have 80,000 people paying to come watch me do it. My job doesn't have 12 television cameras capturing it and announcers commenting. To not acknowledge the difference between their platform and exposure and mine is disingenuous. Kapernick chose his time and place to protest because he knew the attention it would garner. He could have given a few thousand talks on the topic and never got close to the exposure kneeling once received. He wanted it to be uncomfortable for us and hopefully start a dialogue.

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Packers0808's picture

August 07, 2020 at 04:37 pm

I am no longer a young man, Football player or never was a vet! As it was I was a social Studies teacher for 37 years and learned to accept the beliefs and concepts of everyone no matter their stance to these types of actions. Too much intolerance in this nation today!

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Lphill's picture

August 07, 2020 at 04:42 pm

Aaron when BLM first marched in NYC they chanted , what do we want dead cops, i was a NYC cop , I will not watch any sport that panders to the BLM , I will read about it in the Paper but I will not give any team air time on TV , I will not order the Sunday ticket to see the Packers like I do every year. I guarantee Jerry Jones will not allow it in his house . I think very little of you for supporting kneeling . Maybe you live in a bubble.

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August 07, 2020 at 06:46 pm

You were not a NYC cop. You were a glorified security guard. Let's stick to facts. Nobody cares what Sunday ticket you subscribe to.

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Lphill's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:14 pm

I was a NYC housing authority cop laid off in the fiscal crisis then went to dept of Correction and chose to stay there , but you must have been a dick all your life a real keyboard warrior.

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August 08, 2020 at 08:32 am

Like I said....a glorified security guard. Not a member of the NYPD.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:36 am

Come on , wrong reaction! You can't blame him for getting upset at that.

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August 08, 2020 at 11:11 am

Normally I would agree with you. But this yahoo constantly questions people's patriotism, courage, etc. I just wanted to point out him embellishing his "I was a NYC cop" claims. Being a corrections officer is definitely NOT the same thing as being a member of the NYPD.

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Lphill's picture

August 09, 2020 at 09:00 am

And like I said you were and are a dick .

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lowcsp's picture

August 07, 2020 at 08:24 pm

Nice lots of tolerance here

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:42 am

Trump loooosers never stay to facts, they rather listen to alt right trolls like Ingram, Carllson or how this russian paid conspiracy theorists are called......
They brought this former great country down and Im not sure how will we explain to our childreen why we did nothing against it as the dumb and unmorals came in in 2016

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mamasboy's picture

August 07, 2020 at 04:47 pm

"the protests literally have nothing to do with football". I watch several news stations every day. That's where I want to hear political opinion, not on the Packer podcasts I listen to. By the way, the protests don't have much to do with black lives, either. If they truly were, they'd wear the names of the black children that were gunned down in Chicago (by their fellow African Americans) over the last couple of months, on their jerseys. The most recent being a black life that was ended last weekend, after only 9 years . I didn't even listen to the last 17 minutes of his podcast.

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Adorabelle's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:22 pm

There are several hundred organizations in Chicago working on the problem of violence. The Chicago Youth Program, the Dovetail Project, the Westside Cultural Foundation, Urban Initiatives, Future Ties, Blackstone Bikes, Apna Ghar, Blair Holt Peace Alliance, CeaseFire Illinois, Center on Halsted, Chicago Citizens For Change, Chicago Safe Start, Crosswalk Chicago, Kids Off The Block, Moms Demand Action, Little Black Pearl, Purpose Over Pain, UCAN Chicago, and the Safer Foundation are a few to start with. Since 1990 the violent crime rate is down near 50 percent. So progress seen and a lot of work yet to do. Since I know you are worried about this so much I gave you a good number of choices to donate toward.

BLM has a different purpose and is working to address the belief that minorities have zero chance of receiving justice when dealing with the authorities. It is working to bring to light the systemic police brutality and racially motivated violence that exists.

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Lphill's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:27 pm

BLM was started by several Marxist’s , now Susan Rosenberg is behind it collecting money for the Democratic Party . Oh and she is a convicted domestic terrorist who Bill Clinton pardoned on his last day in office.

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bjkdad44's picture

August 07, 2020 at 09:59 pm

LP... broken record

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August 08, 2020 at 11:28 am

He can't help he's an old LP, Hahaha

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August 08, 2020 at 07:57 am

Racists will never accept BLM........and there are hordes of them out there kissing the Orange POS' fat ass!

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mamasboy's picture

August 08, 2020 at 04:13 pm

Anyone with a brain sitting between their ears rejects BLM, Jack. They're a Marxist organization that couldn't care less about black lives. They want to tear down our society and replace it with a "utopia" like CHOP in Seattle, or that paradise they call Portland.

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August 08, 2020 at 04:01 pm

I wouldn't donate to any of them. It wouldn't do the black community one bit of good. Several hundred organizations working on the problem of violence, and still they have one of the highest murder rates in the country. What has the murder rate been since 1990 ? I'll bet that's not down by 50 %. "Minorities have zero chance of receiving justice when dealing with the authorities". That's a bald faced lie!! If they wouldn't keep giving the authorities reasons to, they wouldn't have to deal with them at all. 13% of the population, while committing about 40% of the crimes. You're another one suffering from "white guilt" syndrome. Bending over backwards in an effort to make sure everyone knows you're not a bigot.

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MarkinMadison's picture

August 07, 2020 at 05:20 pm

Generally I am against mixing politics into this site. I tried to avoid it for a LONG time and I generally do, but now I pretty much respond when people raise it because so many people feel the need to bring it in.

As I would think everyone should know by now, Kaepernick developed the option of kneeling after consulting with a veteran. I'm a veteran. Kneeling doesn't bother me.

I'm also a lawyer who has worked with two different police forces. I've served both Republicans and Democrats. There is no world in which what happened to George Floyd should be acceptable to anyone. There was simply NOTHING that he did to justify the level of use of force that he received. And there really is NO good reason to kneel on anyone's neck EVER.

To me this should not be a political issue. This should be a human rights issue. Unfortunately, everything is political now. If you choose to look at this through a political lens that is your choice. I disagree.

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Lphill's picture

August 07, 2020 at 06:40 pm

You might want to watch the real video footage leaked out recently and also read the Minneapolis police manual where it advises how to use the knee held to i the kneck , the media hid all this , it actually may exonerate those cops.

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Oppy's picture

August 08, 2020 at 07:34 am

Or, you know, it might actually prove that police tactics are barbaric and actually need to change.

That's the other side of the coin.

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edp1959's picture

August 08, 2020 at 09:10 am

Then why did the AG try to hide the footage and admit he did it because he wanted to make sure there was a conviction. He didn't care about justice, just wanted to railroad someone. Typical liberal POS just like you.

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August 08, 2020 at 10:53 am

"Then why did the AG try to hide the footage and admit he did it because he wanted to make sure there was a conviction."

I would love to see a reliable link to where this AG admitted intentionally withholding video evidence to ensure a conviction.

In what universe is it ok to kneel on someone's neck for 9 minutes, the last 4 minutes or so after he had lost consciousness?

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:57 pm

You would have to know russian to read their fantasy facts from pravda.

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August 08, 2020 at 10:24 am

I haven't found any source where Ellison admitted that he tried to hide footage. Only that Tucker Carlson speculated that this is what happened. And this is exactly the type of rude post that makes me not want to bother trying to discuss things with people.

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edp1959's picture

August 08, 2020 at 11:10 am

Here is the quote that Ellison made to the Washington Post. How about not being lazy and do some research. There is also a video out there of this interview, I saw it.

“I’m a firm believer in transparency, and the public’s right to know, but a higher priority for me is a successful prosecution,” the AG told The Washington Post. “Therefore, I’ll consult with our lead investigators and I’ll say to them, ‘When can we release this information to the public and still safeguard the prosecution?’ If we can do it before [trial], I would have no problem with doing that, but I am reluctant to do anything that would undermine the prosecution of this case.”

There, he is more concerned about a prosecution than letting the public know the truth.

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August 08, 2020 at 11:46 am

Still missing the part where he admitted "hiding" video evidence to railroad someone.

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August 09, 2020 at 10:05 am

Evidence, it's a thing. And if you give up too much evidence to the public, it can sway a jury, and lead to mistrial. "Prosecution" and "prosecution of this case" happens regardless of the desire to find guilt.

Please don't be so lazy and learn about the legal system so you can assess the context of these statements.

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edp1959's picture

August 09, 2020 at 01:06 pm

This is about the...no actually it is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard.

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August 09, 2020 at 09:41 pm

Feel free to detail exactly what it is I said in that comment that is ignorant.

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 10, 2020 at 09:21 am

You're the one making ignorant comments. Learn how the legal system works before making asinine comments. What Oppy said was 100% correct.

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Oppy's picture

August 09, 2020 at 10:09 am

Something I've long understood, and I think a great number of people today could stand to learn, is that liberals and conservatives are people.

I work with people everyday with vastly different political views. We all get along, respect each other, and, (gasp!) most of us like each other, too.

Most of us have more in common than not. We want to raise our families and see them grow up and do well, do our jobs and make enough earnings to be secure for retirement. We want to enjoy the company of friends. Laugh. Live. Be treated fairly and with respect. See our country do well.

There was a time when the great majority of Americans realized that despite being left or right, we all want basically the same things, and just because someone might have a different idea of how to go about it, doesn't make them any less human, or our enemy. You can agree to disagree and still understand that most of us are all moral, decent human beings, generally striving for the same things in life.

If I were sitting next to you on a bar stool, we'd probably get along great if you didn't ask me what my politics are. Also, if you disrespected me by calling me a POS for no reason other than my politics, you'd no longer find yourself in your barstool.

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August 09, 2020 at 01:12 pm

Ohhh...do you feel like a big boy now? Does sitting behind that keyboard and trying to be tuff make you feel better Skippy. Just remember no matter how tuff you liberal POS think you are there is someone out there that can quickly change your mind.

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Oppy's picture

August 09, 2020 at 09:38 pm

My point is that YOU are the keyboard warrior.

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mamasboy's picture

August 08, 2020 at 04:25 pm

"police tactics are barbaric" Sometimes the police are dealing with some of the most barbaric creatures on this planet. Should they beg people to let them put cuffs on them and politely ask them to get in the cop car? THAT'S the other side of the coin.

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splitpea1's picture

August 08, 2020 at 11:42 pm

I know, it's a laughable quote. But isn't it fun to watch some of these nitwits slosh around in their own insanity?

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August 09, 2020 at 12:24 pm

You are barking up the wrong tree with me.

I spent many, many years dealing with violent sh*t-bags, and I understand from first hand experience, likely better than you ever will, how physical confrontation works. I've restrained a large, angry, violent man while they are claiming they can't breath, and telling their companion to grab the gun from the bag. Have you? I understand it's not all puppy dogs and butterflies.. so please, spare me your attempt at portraying me as some clueless pacifist who thinks criminals just need to be reasoned with.

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MarkinMadison's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:22 am

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576371/Police-bodycam-footage-...

You mean this footage? And let's not talk about "real" footage. It's all real, it just shows different stuff. And no, I still don't see anything that justifies an escalation that resulted in someone's death. The question is not whether the knee hold was done properly, the question is whether it was necessary.

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August 08, 2020 at 04:52 pm

How much did Mr. Floyd care about the baby inside a woman's belly that he held a gun to while demanding to know where money was, during a home invasion he was involved in????? He claimed to be claustrophobic and asked if he was going to be shot. What a crock!! He should not have died,and the cop kneeling on his neck should be charged. If he would have shut the hell up and followed instructions by the cops, he would be alive today, and we'd be talking football right now

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 08, 2020 at 08:42 am

Well said Mark. As a veteran myself, the kneeling doesn't bother me either. It's a protest against people of color being treated differently by police than white people. It has absolutely nothing to do with the military.

I talk to fellow veterans quite regularly when I go to my local VA for medical treatment. You'd be surprised how many of them could care less about the kneeling. They understand it's not directed at them.

I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of people complaining that's it's disrespectful to veterans, have never served a day in their lives.

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August 08, 2020 at 10:17 am

Totally agree 13TimeChamps. That is my experience with veterans as well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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August 08, 2020 at 10:28 am

Thank you Mark, Champ ,61!! I also thought that it was a well thought out way to make us aware that as a country we still have a way to go as far as equality. I'm glad that there are veterans who take the kneeling as a plea for notice and unity instead of disrespect because hearing that vets were taking it as disrespect was sad.

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August 09, 2020 at 02:23 pm

Even if what these guys say is true, the kneeling still shows a distasteful lack of respect for the soldiers who didn't make it back from the various conflicts. Maybe some of the living vets don't care, but I guarantee a significant percentage of the population does. And what about the wives and children of the fallen veterans?...Maybe they should be consulted, too.

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August 10, 2020 at 09:28 am

Once again, you completely miss the point. The players kneeling aren't kneeling to protest the military. What part of that don't you get?

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August 10, 2020 at 11:19 am

Look, we've already had this discussion before. You and many others see things one way, and myself and many others see it another way. There's no sense in continuing to beat a dead horse and I'm not interested in having any more extended debates with you about the matter. If you want to discuss something else later, fine; I usually don't hold grudges against those who disagree with me.

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August 10, 2020 at 12:43 pm

I agree...it's pointless. Particularly when someone refuses to accept the obvious.

How the fuck does someone kneeling to protest police brutality have ANYTHING to do with soldiers not coming back from war?

Anyway...you have a wonderful day. And I'll sleep much better knowing you won't hold a grudge. I was really worried about that.

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splitpea1's picture

August 10, 2020 at 01:17 pm

You can't let anything go, can you? And pouting like a little child when others don't want to play with you anymore...LOL. You have a nice day, too.

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MarkinMadison's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:29 am

Politicians start running their mouths about veterans, honor, service, heroism. Fine, then say this, "and so we will fully fund the VA." We put our entire selves on the line, our bodies and our minds. Some of us are paying a price for it every damn day. Take care of my brothers who are paying that price.

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josefK's picture

August 07, 2020 at 05:21 pm

you drink too much and make an ass of yourself - I never believed you knew anything about music - and you are a political scumbag

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:44 am

did you see all the russian troll with only 30 post to put our fringe right wing Trump hate in here...?

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:32 am

People that are giving positives to this vulgar and sad individual are part of the problem and not the solution.Thankfully, the good will always outnumber the bad and that is what makes this country great.

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stockholder's picture

August 07, 2020 at 05:36 pm

Nothing about this is Funny. It's made everyone's job Harder.

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lsparsek's picture

August 07, 2020 at 05:40 pm

"Kneeling has to do with inequality in the US... It has NEVER had anything to do with the flag, military or patriotism for this country..."

The fact of conducting this act of disobedience DURING the National anthem already involves the flag, military, patriotism....
I stand for these things and you're disrespecting me and my country. You're insulting me. Are you
listening? Are you understanding?

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Adorabelle's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:29 pm

The original act was done during the National Anthem to get your attention. Several million speeches could never have achieved the notice that act did. It took years and a few more horrible acts of brutality but now it has near unanimity among athletes and entertainers. And why do they continue? Because nothing has changed yet.

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fastmoving's picture

August 08, 2020 at 02:47 am

You are right Trump and his BS disrespect OUR country. Our father fought for freedem and not Trump and his shit. So let us all kneel and sweep the right wing loooosers out of this country.

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Oppy's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:04 pm

The right to peacefully assemble and protest- even to protest your own country (which is NOT what they protest when they kneel)- is one of the defining traits of our American Democracy that sets us apart from, and the envy of, the rest of the world.

I have never understood how others do not understand this. Protesting is one of the most American things one can do.

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Adorabelle's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:34 pm

Today's Republican party would think the Boston Massacre was a justified shooting (they were breaking curfew and throwing things at the British soldiers afterall) and that the Boston Tea Party were a bunch of looters who should have been arrested.

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splitpea1's picture

August 07, 2020 at 08:16 pm

Oh, shut up already! You belong in the Harbor just like the tea.

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ghostdog1108's picture

August 09, 2020 at 10:33 am

Nixon, really? The democrats started the vietnam war and escalated it to the level of 60,000 + American deaths...........................,

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Oppy's picture

August 08, 2020 at 07:42 am

It isn't about Republican or Democratic parties.

It's a basic understanding of our constitution and what makes the united states unique.

Another thing people freak out about: " (Insert random reform suggestion) THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION! THAT'S ANTI-AMERICAN! THEY ARE COMMUNISTS! THEY HATE AMERICA! THAT'S AGAINST THE xTH AMENDMENT!"

Uh, yeah.. about that constitution.. it's genius is found in it's ability to be amended.. The forefathers had the foresight to see that times change and countries change, and any constitution they drafted would need to have a legal procedure allowing for it to be flexible and change with the times. Hence, amendments..

The single largest issue we have today is too many people who don't understand anything about our government and history are regularly being
persuaded to freak out about things they don't understand.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2020 at 10:40 am

Great historical reference.

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Since'61's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:42 pm

Oppy - it always amazes me that so many people forget that the USA started with a little protest called the American Revolution. That women marched and protested for decades to obtain the right to vote which they should have had from day one.

Others forget the Civil Rights movement in the 50s and 60s plus the Vietnam War protests of the late 60s and 70s. Those were much more violent events than the current protests.

I for one prefer to see players kneeling for equality and justice rather than returning to the violence we saw back in the 60s and 70s.

For centuries, millennia even, people have knelt either as a sign of respect for their kings or their gods. Other were forced to kneel as a sign of submission to their conquerors or oppressors. Our flags stands for liberty, equality and justice for all. For far too long and for far too many people that has not been true in the USA or for much of the world. That is why people are kneeling around the world. Not to disrespect the flag or the country. But to point out that many people who have wanted to stand Equally with others have been and continue to be knocked down.

The USA has not, is not and never will be perfect. But if we are going to ever deliver on the promise of this nation then we need to enable everyone to stand together equally as people. Not as white people, or black people or brown people, but just as people, together as Americans. Then everyone can stand equally for the national Anthem. Thanks, Since ‘61

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splitpea1's picture

August 07, 2020 at 08:11 pm

World's smallest violin....Don't you ever get tired of making the same bloated speech?

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 07, 2020 at 08:12 pm

Ask the fuchs noise crowd if they know the man named Crispus Attucks.?

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splitpea1's picture

August 07, 2020 at 08:22 pm

Don't remind him--he's already done that!

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Adorabelle's picture

August 08, 2020 at 01:00 am

This country was formed by an act of treason. But now apparently we can only dissent in the "correct" way. Of course if you are black there is no correct way it is always wrong.

It’s wrong to do it in the streets;
It’s wrong to do it in the tweets;
You cannot do it on the field;
You cannot do it if you’ve kneeled;
And don’t do it if you’re rich,
you ungrateful son of a bitch.
Because there’s one thing that’s a fact:
You cannot protest if you’re black.
-- Trevor Noah

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fthisJack's picture

August 08, 2020 at 08:11 am

Sounds like Dr. Seuss? LOL.

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ghostdog1108's picture

August 09, 2020 at 10:41 am

Half a' billion $'s worth of damage in Minneapolis alone.........., Tell me again about rallying the american people to make this country a better place for all..........,

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IceBowl's picture

August 10, 2020 at 01:55 pm

Adorabelle says .... ... "But now apparently we can only dissent in the "correct" way. Of course if you are black there is no correct way it is always wrong."

What a dumb thing to say. I can't believe any rational person would attach themselves to such nonsense.

Everyone has a right to protest peacefully. Surely you remember many peaceful "black rights," anti-war,etc protests. MLK Jr., Father Groppi and so many more. Peaceful was fine then, the protest made the news and everyone went home healthy. But now rioting is considered an acceptable protest? NO!! Not for the general populations. (except in a few misguided places.)

Burning, fighting, vandalism, stealing, injuring, etc. do not fall under the heading of peaceful. And using peaceful protesters to hide behind, as antifa and blm does, is cowardly and descriptive. (might as well be the taliban)

Protest all you want, but do not equate rioting to protests.

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Rudedawg67's picture

August 11, 2020 at 10:56 am

Wow there’s a role model Trevor Noah. He comes from a country when whites were in charge Blacks were treated as second class citizens and now that Blacks are in charge they’ve become the monster they tried to slay for so long.

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fthisJack's picture

August 08, 2020 at 08:09 am

It's too bad the POS in the WH has to send in federal troops to attack peaceful protesters so he can have a photo op at a church where he is holding the Bible upside down. His idiot followers need to realize if he is re-elected their lives don't mean squat to him...they are his tools and they are disposable.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2020 at 03:35 pm

That is what fascists and authoritarians do, don't you know. His collaborators sound like Tories during the making of our American Revolution. Keep it moving Forward.

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ghostdog1108's picture

August 09, 2020 at 10:43 am

Set fire to a police precinct just last night. Almost 70 straight nights of violence in Portland.......,

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egbertsouse's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:18 pm

I spent 10 months in Vietnam and support anybody’s right to kneel during the anthem. I would like to be a hero and say that I was over there fighting for our freedom and right to protest but that would be bullshit. I was over there trying not to be the last bastard killed while Dickhead Nixon and the other chicken hawks were playing politics.

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Since'61's picture

August 07, 2020 at 07:53 pm

Egbertsouse, well said. I only spent 5 months in the Nam and as a medic I was just trying to keep guys alive and get them to the chopper and evac out. That hero stuff is BS when the shxt hits the fan.

I ended up getting put on a chopper and sent home after the 2nd time I was hit. But I was the lucky one. I recovered except for the scars and the memories that still linger after all these years.

Kneeling on a football field is a lot better than kneeling in the mud in that jungle trying to keep a screaming, bleeding buddy alive with bullets and shxt flying all around. Let them kneel. Maybe it will save some lives down the road. As long as it’s peaceful. Thanks, Since ‘61

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WisconsinStrong's picture

August 07, 2020 at 08:51 pm

I deeply appreciate your sharing of your story, Since '61. I feel privileged to have heard your voice, and to know you are in the Packers and CHTV community of fans. My dad is a Vietnam vet too, and I know (from his PTSD) that he, too, suffered. My dad and uncle were Milwaukee-area cops for 25 years, and my son is now in the Army, and none of them, like you, confuses their service with the hero stuff, or the hate-driven bullying that for whatever reason keeps showing up in the CHTV comments section. I do understand that exposure to trauma can result in hate and anger, but you have rejected that. Thank you for your vulnerability in speaking up and for your sacrifices.

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Since'61's picture

August 07, 2020 at 10:01 pm

Wisconsinstrong, I appreciate your generous and thoughtful comments. I just try to keep all this in perspective. My Dad was WW2 combat and NYPD for 27 years. So I learned early to stay focused on what’s important, to keep things in perspective and to be accountable.
I’m proud of my service although brief, but in the service I learned, as your son will, to stay alert, do your job, support each other and leave no one behind.
With my business partner, we ran our company using those principles and others. Now retired I look at this and I just don’t see the need for all the hate and anger. It solves nothing but hurts many.
Family, friends, colleagues, help people, volunteer/donate. The rest including the kneeling and the BLM will be temporary. This time next year there will be other reasons for people to leave CHTV again.
I wish your son the best of luck and safe travels. Stay safe and stay well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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