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Packers vs. Vikings: Things You Could Watch and a Prediction

The 51-year-old rivalry between the Green Bay Packers (11-4) and Minnesota Vikings (9-6) has had its share of intrigued-packed affairs, but Sunday's tilt in Minnesota may have more on the line than any other previous matchup between these two teams.

The Packers can lay claim to the NFC's No. 2 seed and a first-round bye by beating the Vikings for a sixth-straight time, while Minnesota would clinch the No. 6 seed and likely set up a trip to Lambeau Field for a playoff rematch by snapping the losing streak to Green Bay Sunday.

Despite Green Bay and Minnesota winning 14 of the last 19 division titles, only once before in the series history has both teams entered a regular-season clash with at least nine wins. Back in 1996, the Packers were 12-3 and the Vikings 9-6 when the two met in the season finale at Lambeau Field. Green Bay won, 38-10.

Of course, there's also an important record on the line Sunday. Vikings running back Adrian Peterson is 208 yards shy of Eric Dickerson's single-season rushing record, a prestigious mark that has stood for 28 years. Even if he doesn't get the record, Peterson needs just 102 to become the NFL's seventh member of the 2,000-yard rushing club.

Here are some other things you could watch Sunday at the Metrodome:

Ponder That

Before Minnesota traveled to Green Bay in Week 13, I wrote about containing Peterson but also quarterback Christian Ponder's importance to the Vikings ending up in the win column. Minnesota proved that column true, as Peterson rushed for 210 yards in a losing effort because of two interceptions and a general lack of efficiency from Ponder.

A month later, little has changed. Ponder has thrown just one interception over the Vikings' three-game winning streak, and back-to-back games with a passer rating over 80.0 brought Minnesota's record to 6-2 in that situation this season. The Packers can survive another Peterson onslaught. But getting efficient and turnover-free play from the quarterback position puts the Vikings on a winning track at home.

Home Sweet Dome 

Sunday's trip to the Metrodome will mark the fifth time the Packers have played inside a dome in 2012, the most ever for one season in franchise history. Green Bay's offense, and Aaron Rodgers in particular, won't mind.

The Packers are averaging almost 31 points and 375 yards a game this season indoors, while Rodgers has a passer rating of 125.2 with 14 touchdowns and just two interceptions. Overall, Rodgers has thrown 49 touchdowns against just eight interceptions in 20 career games indoors, and his career rating of 116.6 is No. 1 in NFL history. Once a house of nightmares for the Packers' offense, domes are now a comfortable setting for big numbers.

Weakness into Strength?

Few teams were as poor at running the football as the Packers were through the first eight weeks of 2012, but that's no longer the case in the second half. Since Week 9, Green Bay is seventh best in the NFL in rushing yards per game at 129.9. Minnesota is second at 193.0, Seattle first at 195.3.

Predictably, production has followed Mike McCarthy's commitment to running the football. Over the same span, the Packers have called the fourth-most runs in the NFL at nearly 32 a game—or over eight more than the first eight weeks. The result has been the transformation from a team dependent solely on the arm of Rodgers to one that can compete week-in and week-out on the ground.

Matchup to Watch: Packers WR Greg Jennings vs. Vikings CB Antoine Winfield

While Randall Cobb (ankle) participated in a limited fashion Friday, the expectation remains that the franchise's new all-purpose king will be out Sunday. Green Bay still has something to play for, but the risk of losing Cobb for an already locked in playoff game likely trumps his impact on the season finale. In Cobb's place in the slot, expect the Packers to rely on Jennings, an old master inside.

Last season, Jennings caught a team-high 33 passes for 429 yards and three touchdowns in the slot (via Pro Football Focus), and his catch rate of 70.2 ranked in the top five of receivers who caught at least 25 passes inside. Jordy Nelson should play Sunday, so the Packers can move Jennings inside at a higher percentage and play Nelson and James Jones on the perimeter.

With Minnesota returning Chris Cook, Jennings should see plenty of Winfield in the slot. The veteran corner, who is dealing with a hairline fracture in his hand, has allowed a rating of just 78.2 inside this season and is as physical as they come at the line of scrimmage. Considering how heavily Rodgers has leaned on Cobb's ability to win in the slot this season, the Packers offense needs Jennings to consistently be a difficult matchup for a hard-nosed veteran like Winfield.


The Vikings are playing as well now as they have all season, and the opportunity to win a home game to get to the postseason couldn't provide any finer motivation. Still, it's hard to discount what the Packers have done defensively over the last two games. Teams are averaging just 185 total yards over the last two weeks, and in three of the last four, opposing quarterbacks have been held under 150 yards. Peterson will go over 102 yards to get to 2,000, but Ponder simply isn't efficient enough to beat a secondary and pass rush that is coming on strong late in the season.

Packers 28, Vikings 20 (Season record: 10-5)

Zach Kruse is a 24-year-old sports writer who contributes to Cheesehead TV, Bleacher Report and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. He also covers prep sports for the Dunn Co. News. You can reach him on Twitter @zachkruse2 or by email at [email protected].

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FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

38-13 PACK

Not only does Peterson fail to get the record, he fails to reach 2,000 yards as he rushes for a mere 63 yards... No soup for you.


cow42's picture

There is zero chance of...

a) the Packers scoring 38
b) Crosby converting 5 extra points AND a field goal
c) the Packers winning by 25
d) the Packers holding Peterson under 130

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Yo Zach, it's been 28 years Dickerson's record has stood. I forgive you.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

You changed it, that's ok, I'm sure you meant to thank me.

Zach Kruse's picture

Thanks Fitz!

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture


Steven's picture

Peterson rushes for 87, and the pack wins it 24-0

cow42's picture


No and No.

140+ and 2 tutties.
17-20 Vikings

Crosby gets to watch the rook win it after missing one himself.

Chad Toporski's picture

Seriously, cow... Do you really have any pull when it comes to telling people their predictions are wrong? What's your track record so far?

Nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, however negative it might be, but you can't say someone's prediction is flat out wrong when the game hasn't even happened yet. Even YOU don't know the future with 100% certainty...

cow42's picture

Yes, I do.

Chad Toporski's picture

Hah... I appreciate the snark, cow.

jeremy's picture

I know something about the future with 100% certainty...

Cow42 will show up here again to write stupid BS.

zeke's picture

Another thing with almost 100% certainty: that stupid BS makes the comment sections on this otherwise excellent site almost unreadable.

paxbak's picture

Prediction - Crosby begins making FGs again - for the first time all season, his extra points hit high and down the middle on all tries during the route last week.

Kickoffs were weak, however, due to cold weather?

cow42's picture

"...due to cold weather?"

Try due to sucking a$$.

cow42's picture

N-house in dome
EDS in dome
Barclay in dome
No Cobb
Inevitable Neal injury
Home team has more at stake

Packers 17
Vikings 20

Packers'll only be able to muster 5 "scoring" drives...
2 will result in touchdowns
1 will result in a field goal
2 will result in missed field goals
Vikings then get to come to Lambeau next weekend.
Vikings - a team built for playing ball control, grind it out, inclement weather football vs. a Packer team that has shown a tendency to play like an indoor team (especially in the playoffs).
I don't like how next weekend is shaping up either.

losing 2 times in a row to the Vikings to end the season would be pretty much the worst thing ever.

Chad Toporski's picture

You should really try harnessing the power of positive energy sometime... Always looking for the worst in your predictions!!

MarkinMadison's picture

I'm coming around to PackSmack's point of view. Nimrod is descending to pure troll territory. Better off ignored.

redlights's picture

nimrod, if my dad had a computer, I'd swear he was you!

That being said, Minny has far exceeded most expectations for this year and defineately has a lot to play for. I'd really like to see Jennings explode for about 200, since he's probably leaving GB in free agency; why not make another team pay even more. .... There's my big Dougie smile!.....

cow42's picture

Jennings won't get 150 more yards as a Packer, let alone 200 tomorrow.


Cheddarhead's picture

cow42 I think your wrong. The Packers are great indoors and not seeing the same team twice in a row is a good thing. Rodgers has 125.2 QBR in domes + a new found running attack. When we win we will be will have a first round bye and will likely play the Seahawks at Lambeau. because I can see them bumping off Washington. And see Atlanta in the NFCCG.

cow42's picture

The Packers are 1-3 against teams that are already in the playoffs.

If the Giants make it they will be 1-4 against playoff teams.
If the Vikings make it they will be 2-4 against playoff teams.
If the Bears make it they will be 3-3 against playoff teams.

But you already have them in the Conference Championship game.

I get that you're probably all excited about the playoffs being just around the corner, but...


You might want to tamper your expectations just a tad.

Cheddarhead's picture

Yes, anything less would be a disappointment. We are and healthy and hot at the right time, momentum is huge at this time of year. Beating the Vikes in thier own back yard would be huge momentum builder. Win is a win, but an ass kicking would go along way. Unless AP runs for 250 yds, Ponder turns into Unites, and we turnover the ball. I don't see how the Vikes can win.

cow42's picture

This game rides on the shoulders of Lang, EDS, Sitton.

Allen and Robison will dominate Newhouse and Barclay.
It's not that I'm being negative - it's just that they are superior players.

If Rodgers can't step up in the pocket the offense will be in for a long day.

Yes - the running game has improved... but it hasn't improved to the point where they can win this game via the run. essentially the game would become "which team can run the ball better?" and that wouldn't even be a contest. The Packers have to be able to throw the ball to be successful.

If Lang, EDS, and Sitton don't excel this will be a close game.

Close game.
On the road.
Opponent has a lot to play for (everything, really).

I just don't like how it all adds up.

Go ahead and call me a "troll" (I still don't know what that means), or a "nimrod"... the fact of the matter is none of my observations are outlandish - they're just not what you might want to hear.

Please point out anything I've posted here that isn't either factual or reasonably possible.

Just because I'm not skippiddy - doo - da positive doesn't mean i'm an idiot.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

"Go ahead and call me a “troll” (I still don’t know what that means), or a “nimrod"

No-no-no, you're not "a" nimrod, you are "the" nimrod.

jeremy's picture

RAFLMAO, Still doesn't know what Troll means?

MarkinMadison's picture

OK, how about your praise for Devon Hester as a receiver? How about your Bears prediction - which was proven to have been bone-headed to the max. So much for your claims to know the future. No one expects you to be "la de da" about the Packers, but how (other than you being a troll) can you explain your carpet-bombing of negativity above, most of which contained zero reasoning (at least this post had some).

The bottom line is that there is a reason the Packers have locked up a play-off spot, while Minnesota MUST win to even go to the dance. Problems with the Packers? Sure. You bet. No problem. But to proclaim both the Bears and now the Vikings as the winners due to your analysis? How about analyzing the problems the opponent faces. There are two teams on the field you know.

AntiCow42's picture

Does anyone else feel like a good cow tipping?

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packsmack25's picture

Dome numbers say it all. I said this way back after the Seattle game, but that loss that was a blessing in disguise. The Packers will now have the possibility of needing only one outdoor win to get to the title. This team is the best team in the NFL hands down when they're playing on a rug, and it isn't really close. This will be a laugher, 42-21 Packers. I hope AP gets his yards in garbage time. Only Viking I've ever liked.

packsmack25's picture

*that loss was

Mike's picture

Agree - I wouldn't care if AP got the record if we win...especially in a laugher! But you can't not respect AP...dude is their ONLY offense!

cow42's picture

Here are some dome numbers for you...

6-1 Viking's' home record.
7-2 Vikings' record in domes.

+42 Vikings' point differential vs. opponents at home.
+77 Vikings' point differential vs. opponents in domes.

Kt's picture

Packers have a much more diversified offence now than earlier in the season. Over the past several weeks the short pass routes, the running game and the impact of Finley have slowly become more integrated into the game plan. The cover two formula for making life difficult for the packers still applies, but the Packers have gotten comfortable doing the things needed to limit the effectiveness of the cover 2 strategy. I thing the offense has therefore become more difficult to stop, the Packer D is returning to 2010 form and I think the overall identity of the Packers 2012 has evolved to the point that they are the best team and maybe clearly the best team in the NFL. I'm looking for a comfortable win Sunday.

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razor's picture

I wonder which team will want this game more? That team will win!

cow42's picture

Vikings need it more.

murphy's picture

Packers need it more.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

"Green Bay Packers: Sunday's game in Minnesota is like a playoff game for the Packers, with all the benefits and none of the downside. A win would put them in the divisional round. A loss would mean they have to play next week. Do not underestimate how huge this game is for the Packers, especially when they need more time to get healthy."

Hoops24's picture

Cow, do u know how to even enjoy football? Everything u put on here is negative. For god sakes, they are 11-4, with a great chance at being 12-4 with a bye. U dont win that many games on luck. It shows this is a pretty damn good football team that has just as good as chance as any team of winning it all

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

What year was it when all we needed was a week 17 win over the jets to get a 1st round bye? Pennington lit us up. That SUCKED! Was that the year Vick came to Lambeau?

Anyhew, I'm not concerned about that happening tomorrow. Queens are playing checkers, we're playing chess. They just don't have the horses.

hayward4president's picture

God I am so tired of nimrods negative bs. He is wrong every game and still thinks his predictions matter. Packers win this game Cobb or no Cobb. GJ will have a great game in the slot. 31 14 pack! Don't F with us in a dome!

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture


"He is wrong every game and still thinks his predictions matter."

Call me twisted, but I get a kick out of it. He has become so laughable with his predictions and "predictable" 'Debbie Downer' antics... I think it's a hoot!

nimrod, I ain't mad at ya... Keep em coming big guy.

Evan's picture

I really wish people would stop feeding the troll. It's giving him exactly what he wants and clogging up the comment section with garbage.

cow42's picture

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it garbage.

PresidentRaygun's picture

Yes, it does.

cow42's picture

I remember Greg Jennings.

That guy used to be good.

With Cobb out it would've been nice to have a guy like Jennings around... Too bad. Guess they'll just have to make do with this non-factor #85 guy they have now. He should be good for a solid 3 catches for 29 yards.

cow42's picture


FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

If you haven't yet, read that. Spot on case for #12 MVP.

hayward4president's picture

Yeah....I'd rather have one of Minnesota's WRs instead. Their wayyyy better.

cow42's picture


Have all had similar, if not better, seasons.

MarkinMadison's picture

How many yards will Harvin have tomorrow?

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Those three thoroughbreds you cited have **4** combined receiving TD's.

JJ, Randall and Jordy have **27**.

Our guys catch almost 7 for everyone 1 they do. Now you're just being asinine.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

OH, I SEE... You were belittling Jennings. My bad. We'll just discount the other WR's and their production. Got it.

MarkinMadison's picture

Yeah, Finley, really. You talk about teams that have something to play for? How about guys with something to play for? Finley and Jennings are both playing for their next contract today. They will produce.

And seriously, the Lions have a better front four than the Vikings, and it has done them no good. The Bears have two Pro Bowl cornerbacks and it has done them no good.

And you have not apologized for your dumba$$ Bears prediction yet, and I seriously doubt that you will apologize for your dumba$$ statement about Jennings getting three catches.

cow42's picture

Here's the deal.
This team is not as loaded at wr as some seem to think.
Especially for the Vikings' game.

Jones - Yes... playing well.

Jennings - you know my feelings on this guy. right now he is a below average wr.

Nelson - coming off an injury. Rodgers always seems to lose chemistry with his receivers when they are out for a while. don't expect much from Nelson from here on out. it'll be the same as how things are with Jennings... yeah - he's back... but there's no more chemistry there.

Cobb - out. you know he's not gonna play.

So you have one guy who's playing well and 2 guys who have lost chemistry with their qb and have not been factors for about 2 months.

yes - that's still more than the Vikings have BUT the Vikings are not a throwing team. if the Packers could run and play defense like the Vikings then, fine, the wr they have for tomorrow would be sufficient. but as things stand, the difference in ability between the Packer wr's and the Viking wr's isn't enough to make up for the other things that the Vikings are better at... run defense, pass defense, run offense, kicking game. throw in the fact that they HAVE to win and they're playing at HOME... and I'm surprised at how many lopsided score predictions i'm seeing.

this will be a tight game... and Crosby blows.

Point Packer's picture

I don't know why I am responding.

The Vikings have an average Defense. Ranked #16 in total D. The Packers are #10 in total defense.

Ponder is a disaster. Rodgers is a Hall of Famer in the prime of his career. It will be a close one, but the Pack pulls it off in large part because Ponder throws two picks.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

"if the Packers could run and play defense like the Vikings"

I'll take our passing game over their running game everyday and twice on Sunday. This is a passing league, that's what gets you the hardware. Period.

I'll take our D over their D every day, and twice on Sunday. Allen is good, their best guy in the secondary has a cast on his hand. Robison is slightly better than J.A.G. - we have more playmakers/gamechangers than they do on D. I personally don't think it's close.

The absolutely FANTASTIC thing about it is, this time tomorrow, we'll know what's up, and this meaningless speculation will mean squat.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Crosby does blow. I concede that point.

murphy's picture

" BUT the Vikings are not a throwing team. if the Packers could run and play defense like the Vikings...derpderpderp"

The Packers are 20th in rushing and climbing quickly over the last few weeks. What upside does MN's rushing game have that will bail out the 32nd ranked pass offense?

You can't sell me on the idea that the Vikings have a better D than the Packers, because they don't. At best they're comparable.

Packers Defense:

19.9 (7th)
329.6 (10th)
217.7 (12th)
111.9 (14th)

Vikings Defense:

20.9 (11th)
346.3 (16th)
238.3 (20th)
108.0 (13th)

This will be a tight game...and Ponder blows.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

This won't be a tight game.

MarkinMadison's picture

Finley is coming on lately. You are not accounting for him, but the Vikings will have to.

Calling Jennings a below-average receiver is ridiculous. He is a great inside/outside threat because he is the best route runner in the business. He didn't suddenly forget how to run routes and make reads. His production has been low but rising the last two games (from 1 to 7 catches over the last three games). Not surprising given the injury and the chemistry that Rodgers developed with Cobb and the snaps Cobb took up on the inside. Assuming Cobb is out I will not be surprised to see him have a 100 yard game.

You can discount Nelson if it makes you feel better, but, again, the Vikings can't just let him roll.

Then throw in Jones. That is 4 guys who are up and down the line as good as or better than the best DB the Vikings have, even if Cobb is out. And there is enough of a running game now to keep the Queens honest. But here we are again with you gleefully predicting another Packers loss.

cow42's picture



and after Jennings puts up 3 catches for 29 yards - i want you to apologize to me for saying that my statement was ridiculous.

Otto's picture

The Packers have the better defense. They've given up less points and yardage. They have more sacks and turnovers.

The Packers offense is decades better than Mn. Rodgers has as many TD as the entire Mn. offense has. The Packers have a cutting edge offense designed by a genius in Mike McCarthy and executed by the best player in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers. Mn has dusted off George Halas's 1947 playbook.

In the last 5 games between these two teams, the Packers have scored almost 100 points more than the Vikings. 100 POINTS! That's an average loss by the Vikings of 20 points per game. I don't see this game being any different.
Packers 30
Vikings 10

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

I can dig it!

marcopo's picture

Assuming, Mr. Rodgers isn't comatose for the game and the troopers want to play, the Vikings don't have much chance to upset the Packers. If the Pack gets an early lead, there is no way Ponder can pick up the slack. He's out of receivers and has a tight end. AP gets Wilson and Matthews this time to plug up some holes. I applaude the job the Vikings have done this year, but they're not ready for prime time.

Jamie's picture

Hey fellas...perceptive much?!?

This turd spends hours a day trolling a msg board of a team he CLEARLY does not cheer for and has shown itself incapable of even one glowing review for any game or even a performance of any part of a team that has won 40 games combined over the last three years, including 4-1 in the playoffs and won a SB.

At this point do you honestly believe this clown has any intention of conceding one iota of any point that would put a positive spin on anything Packers?

Wake the eff up and smell the coffee!! You guys are becoming more annoying than the troll that lives under these boards.

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Kparis99's picture

What a complete f-ing loser cow42 must be if he isn't a packers fan and is just trolling around a sports teams blog spewing negative crap all day. I picture this a-hole sitting there after a packers loss smiling and enjoying his pitiful moment of self righteous satisfaction. I hope for his sake, he's just an overly negative packers fan.

Evan's picture

He's not. And the sooner people realize that and ignore him the sooner he'll lose interest and go away.

cow42's picture

Vikings allow 18.7 points per game at home.
Packers score 23.7 points per game away
Vikings score 24.7 points per game at home
Packers allow 24.1 points per game away.

(18.7+23.7)/2 = Packers will score 21.2 (round to 21)
(24.7+24.1)/2 = Vikings will score 24.4 (round to 24)

Packers 21
Vikings 24

(a field goal difference... and our kicker is Crosby)

cow42's picture

by the way... so much for the Packers having the better D.
numbers show that when you take the venue into account, that is definitely NOT the case.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

nimrod, Jamie has concerns about your authenticity as a GREEN BAY PACKER fan. Be real here, are you? If so, I ask that you list everything that is "RIGHT" with this team/organization at this moment in time. Not talking about opponents or what could be better. Just a list of positive things about THE PACK, players, coaches, stadium... That sorta thing. If you can't GLADLY do that then, I have to believe you are a troll... Up to this point, I thought you were just the worlds bitchiest PACKER fan. What is it, time to man up.

Evan's picture

Dude. Please stop engaging him.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Christ dude, scroll by if it bugs you that much (you too Jamie), don't read it. I want to know. I want to see if he's capable of stating any positives. If not, he is a troll, and I will never acknowledge his existence again.

Evan's picture

That's what I have been doing but it just sucks when 40% of a comment thread are filled with his BS and people responding to it. Whether or not he's actually a Packers fan is besides the point. He's a concern troll. We have months of evidence.

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cow42's picture

The list of the things I LIKE about the Packers would be short.
The list of the things I LOVE abut this team would take too long to write.

The Packers are the greatest sports franchise in the world. From the way they conduct their business to the way they treat their fans to the way they play the game on the field. Even though they are one of the most profitable sports entities on the planet - they still find a way to represent what it means to be a blue collar worker in a small town.

Fans of other teams may not admit it but they're jealous... they have to be.

I understand that my views of things are negative.
I understand that the things I say may rub people the wrong way. But I never attack anyone on a personal level and I never post or say anything that I don't believe to be possible for the sake of a reaction.

It's become apparent that my posts are ruining some level of enjoyment for other people who peruse this site. That's not my intent.

In the interest of allowing all of you full enjoyment of this team, this site, and this season without worrying about the things that worry me I will keep my "mouth shut" from here on out (maybe a score prediction once in a while).

Enjoy today's game.

(I still think they lose 21-24... hope I'm wrong)

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

I can respect that, peace out, PACKER FAN.

PackersRS's picture

I really, really don't agree with most of what you say but you restraining yourself for the sake of others is a shame.

There's nothing trollish about your posts and it's transparent that you're a Packers fan through and through.

If other people can't see it or feel offended by your posts it's their loss.

Cheddarhead's picture

cow42 is a closit Queens fan. He hopes the Packers lose so he can say I told you so.

marcopo's picture

Gentlemen: This isn't about cow42, or his bona fides as a Packer fan. But it is about the Packers. When I was much younger I was more into stats. Now, I trust my eyeballs. The Packers has slowly grown into a complete team. Injuries have allowed young players the opportunity to play. With every rep, the defensive situation gets better. There is no way the Packer team now is like the Packer team of week 1. The Pack is so under the radar it's funny. That won't last long now.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

I thoroughly agree with that. This team has really shaped up into a well rounded one. Could be another good postseason.

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