Packers Vs. Vikings: First Impressions

My initial thoughts on the Packers - Vikings game without the benefit of a re-watch.

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Conquered food poisoning, finished Christmas shopping, now I'm home in time to watch the Packers' final home game of the season. Big night for young talent.

Michael Clark played his first snaps of the 2017 season tonight on the Packers' first drive. Didn't think I'd see that this season when I started that bandwagon back in May.

Packers' zone coverage continues to get torn apart. Week in, week out.

Kenny Clark gets the full credit for that last sack on Case Keenum, but Reggie Gilbert was right there with him. Just the second defensive series of his career.

Josh Hawkins is being abused by Stefon Diggs tonight. Not a good night for me and my offseason truther UDFAs...

The Sunday Night Football crew needs to know that any shot of Ted Thompson is going to turn into a meme on Twitter in .5 seconds.

Brett Hundley should probably learn how to slide before he thinks about lowering his shoulders into Harrison Smith.

Mike Zimmer looks like 2008 NFC Championship Tom Coughlin.

Absolutely baffling that this defense is either confused before the snap or lined up with 12 men on the field seemingly on a weekly basis.

Michael Clark sighting x2.

The "Kings of the North" signs from Vikings fans at Lambeau are adorable.

And just like that, the Packers will be shutout for the second time this season. The first time they've been shutout twice at Lambeau Field in a single season since 2006.

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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Bedrock's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:38 pm

I can understand making a physical mistake once, maybe even twice. But Hundley missing by a minimum of 3 yards, sometimes up to 10 yards, on deep throws? Make the adjustment! And that’s just addressing the physical mistakes. The mental mistakes...I don’t have room.

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Dzehren's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:45 pm

Huntley has no trade/ tag value- zero

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Flow49's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:47 pm

Maybe if you added Hundley and a 5th rounder you might be able to get a 7th!

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Dzehren's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm

Exactly. Edgar bennett is culpable as OC.

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OrganLeroy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 03:51 pm

Wrong! Edgar Bennett only helps formulate the game plan with MM, he's not a position coach, he doesn't call plays, everything is on MM.

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mrtundra's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:03 pm

Hundley throwing deep downfield and overthrowing the receiver by two zip codes when we needed one yard to extend the drive. Why didn't running the ball come into his mind when all the receivers were covered? Who knows? MM has to be second guessing Hundley as the primary back up QB for this team. Between Hundley's overthrowing receivers and our receivers dropping passes that hit them in the hands, I may be able to cancel my next barber appointment as I have no hair left to pull out.

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GBPDAN1's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:50 am

It's obvious that Hundley is in over his head. At least we know now that he wasn't the backup we all hoped for and we can get rid of him before next season ( this better happen !).

Bring in a Vet QB that was a NFL starter at some point in his career... someone who can at least complete 30-40% of his passes over 20 yards. Whats Hundley's pass completion % over 20 yards? 3% ?

I thought the O-line play OK considering the injuries and the D they were playing against. I also thought our D scratched and clawed a bit, and considering all the injuries on that side of the ball, they played good enough to win. Our offense lost that game (Hundley).

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Oppy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 01:33 pm

Hundley put three deep balls on WRs' hands last night, all dropped, and one deep ball that was clearly reachable by Davis, who never even extended his arms.

Adjust your television set.

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GBPDAN1's picture

December 25, 2017 at 04:46 pm

Yes, some balls were dropped in that game. And yes, I was being somewhat sarcastic. But, my point is: when Hundley is in the game, Defenses don't need to worry about anything deep, or , semi-deep. (Look at his full body of work). They play the run and short passing game. Easy to defend. Hundley is easy to defend. Zero points at home in two separate games.

I DONT need to adjust my TV ! My eyes work well. Hundley is not a good backup QB. I don't want him, and I'm sure others don't either. You can have him, Oppy. Merry Christmas

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Dzehren's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:38 pm

Tank it. Lower draft status. TT always picks at end of round. Low round draft can fix things.

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Flow49's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:43 pm

And to keep the cowboys from making the playoffs. I couldn’t stand a world where the packers were out and the cowgirls made the playoffs.

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NickPerry's picture

December 24, 2017 at 06:10 am

Tank it??? Dude there's absolutely no reason to "Tank It". With the growing number of injuries and Brett "I can't complete a pass longer than 2 yards" Hundley this team doesn't have to tank dodo.

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4zone's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:12 am

No way I want TT near this draft, picking square pegs to fit in round holes.

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Colin_C's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:58 pm

Only positive takeaway tonight was that Michael Clark made a pretty sweet catch. Otherwise, it confirmed everything we knew.

- TE position needs a complete overhaul
- Besides Adams, WR might at this point as well
- Randall is far and away our best CB. Without him on the field I trust none of the CB's in man coverage
- I honestly would consider looking for a new FS
- D-line is great in the middle, but outside contain on runs is still awful
- Rodgers carries the offense 100%

D wasn't horrid tonight, and I feel like with a new coordinator, a couple good FA signings, and a decent draft they could be much improved next season. Serious changes need to happen though.

Offense on the other hand needs a major retooling. It's obvious that without 12, it has little ability to win games. It just flat out needs more playmakers all around.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:01 pm

Michael Clark looked tall.
Jason Spriggs didn’t look durable.
Devante Mayes looked invisible.
Brett Hundley is really good at chewing gum.

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Rossonero's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:09 pm

Too bad we won't sign any big time defensive free agents.

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mrtundra's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:11 pm

I think Kevin King is a better CB than Randall, but that's just me. Our offense has been in need of an upgrade for a while now. I'm talking WRs and TEs and not the O Line, so much. We need to draft, or acquire through FA, some fast, sure handed players who can catch the ball. It wouldn't hurt to draft a QB at some point, either.

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Colin_C's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:29 pm

Currently, I think Randall is best. However, King could be much improved next season once he's able to press receivers at the LOS.

And yes, the pass catchers on the O leave a lot of room for improvement at this point.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:12 pm

Agree with all of this, accept I feel House has played well when he was in there. Mike's calls on offense did anything, but demonstrate his confidence in the offense this year, even with Rodgers playing early in the year. He really took foot off the accelerator and played not to lose IMO.

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Colin_C's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:28 pm

I love House as a person, and he's certainly had his moments as a player.
Unfortunately, he's also gotten torched in several games. I'm all for keeping him, but we really need one guy that can lock someone down consistently. King may be that guy, but I'd be ecstatic if we could draft Denzel Ward. True #1 CB right there.

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sonomaca's picture

December 24, 2017 at 02:09 am

House is a decent corner. Packers defensive backfield really should be ok next year, as long as King’s shoulder isn’t chronic. Like Pipkins over Hawkins. Will have good competition with Rollins, Waters, and maybe a mid round pick in the mix.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 24, 2017 at 02:49 am

I think that he House can be back up CB for moments when Packers play press coverage. Otherwise, he is useless...

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OrganLeroy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 03:54 pm

Rollins won't be in the mix, he can't play, maybe Safety.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 04:01 pm

With Burnett likely to go, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollins moves over to S in camp. They'll probably draft a S, yet, but I think Rollins might get some looks there.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 24, 2017 at 01:08 am

I trust our CBs more in man than I do in zone.

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sonomaca's picture

December 24, 2017 at 02:11 am

Yeah, lack of pressure + zone scheme = lots of receptions.

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4zone's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:14 am

Won't happen with TT at the helm.

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Oppy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 01:35 pm

Michael Clark dropped a perfectly placed key third down pass in the opening drive that hit both of his hands right in front of his shoulder.

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Chuck Farley's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:47 pm

For me its not this season which is over but what the hell do you do next season. Rogers cannot be your go to guy and expect to carry this team.
Thats gone on too long now and Ted needs to get play makers on defense who can pass rush and stop the pass.
The Vikes arent going away and they get to draft too. The few tiny spots they need to fill could be filled with talented people to develop later.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:44 am

"Rogers cannot be your go to guy and expect to carry this team."

I understand your sentiment regarding playmakers, but in a league that's driven by QB play--and when you have the best one in the game--you let him carry your team. He HAS to be able to carry your team.

You point to the Vikings as an example...they've been a tease until they found someone who could consistently make their offense go at QB. Last season, Bradford played well (but suffered behind a terrible OL) and Keenum has played at a level his track record says is over his head. Prior to Bradford, it was a parade of losers...and so were they.

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Chuck Farley's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:47 pm

For me its not this season which is over but what the hell do you do next season. Rogers cannot be your go to guy and expect to carry this team.
Thats gone on too long now and Ted needs to get play makers on defense who can pass rush and stop the pass.
The Vikes arent going away and they get to draft too. The few tiny spots they need to fill could be filled with talented people to develop later.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:01 pm

Ideas so nice you can post them twice.

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Chuck Farley's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:51 pm

Sorry it double posted. Spielman knows how to draft: smart players with size and speed. Stays away from undrafeds and late round picks and makes his mark in the top three rounds and gets top free agent help where needed.
For example, they canned the entire O line from last year due to piss poor play. The whole line. They totally replaced it with top draft picks and free agents and wow has that turned around the pass protection.
Ted would never in a million years be able to do this.

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Rossonero's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:06 pm

It's what I was trying to explain to Vrog in another post, but he probably didn't see my response. Thompson passed on Harrison Smith, Eric Kendricks, Danielle Hunter, Everson Griffen and didn't bother to try signing Linval Joseph in free agency when the Giants didn't want him.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 24, 2017 at 04:46 am

Matt Kalil, Cordarrelle Patterson, Laquon Treadwell, etc. Spielman really knows how to hit on those high draft picks.

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Rossonero's picture

December 24, 2017 at 07:11 am

I hear you. I was focusing on the defensive picks. Ted definitely picks offense better.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:12 am

He should do it more often then.

He keeps trying and trying on D. Meanwhile the cupboard is getting bare on the offensive side.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:36 pm

All good Rossonero. My reply was directed toward Chuck.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm

Hundley has almost no touch to his throws and especially on deep balls. Doesn't have it. Stock has plummeted entirely IMO. It's a passing league. Maybe we can still get something for him now.

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Rossonero's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:01 pm

Hundley blows. I wouldn't trade my Skittles for him.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:11 pm

I was telling myself that the Packers just didn't want to put anything on film for the Lions next week.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:25 pm

Yup. MM was just setting the Lions up for next week.

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Finwiz's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:46 pm

Hilarious - you're being facetious I'm sure. Putting anything on film for a meaningless game is totally irrelevant.

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sonomaca's picture

December 24, 2017 at 02:18 am

I like Hundley. Moved really well. Escaped pressure. Runs really well. Passes on target most of the time. Seeing the field much better. I saw at least seven dropped passes: Nelson, Clark twice, Kendricks twice, Allison twice. Was impressed with Hundley’s deep balls.

Only real bad pass was first interception.

I think the Packers should keep Hundley in 2018.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 08:05 am

Impressed with deep balls?? Just the last quarter alone, my God

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sonomaca's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:04 am

Those are very low probability receptions. Couple of ‘em may have been PI. Vikes secondary is stellar.

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rstain99's picture

December 24, 2017 at 11:13 am

what game were you watching no touch on deep ball at all, holds the ball too long can run but thats it. Ha Ha sucks always a step late with stone hands. I hate to watch them defensively the look like their in dark closet keep a couple of guys send the rest packing. Capers not your guy was it the lion home game that they knew every call Capers made before he made it knew exactly what they were about to do. MM too stubborn get rid of him or join him being fired.

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Finwiz's picture

December 24, 2017 at 11:17 am

One word.....

CLUELESS

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Johnblood27's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:53 am

Lighten up Francis...

I love it when jokes need to be explained...

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4zone's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:18 am

You have to have stock before it can plummet. Hundley has none. Zero value as a QB in this league and MM STILL doesn't get it.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 25, 2017 at 02:29 am

I think GB should keep Hundley in 2018, too, Sonomaca.

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Curry Rambeau's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm

Where’s Rodgers, Matthews, Perry, Cobb, Daniels, Burnett, HHC-D, ,Nelson when you need them? Oh, and McCarthy? Own it!

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm

Thoughts for what they are worth-

-While Hundley sucks, he got absolutely no help from his receivers. They dropped at least 3-4 1st Down catches. But seriously 3rd,4th and 1 and he is throwing 20+ yards downfield?

-Some young players showed some serious promise. Michael Clark and Gilbert spent most of the year on the PS and yet they look like better players then the ones tha have been on the 53. Who made this decision?

-Kenny Clark is a beast! I stand by my words!

-Vikings offense is not championship caliber. They won’t make it to the Super Bowl playing like that. Packers held them to 16 points.

-I’m not surprised by the score. I’m looking more forward to the season being over to see what changes are made. Because there clearly will be changes made.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:00 pm

"Some young players showed some serious promise. Michael Clark and Gilbert spent most of the year on the PS and yet they look like better players then the ones tha have been on the 53. Who made this decision?"

Exactly. MM has his head up his ass. Same with Pipkins (A tackle!) and Whitehead. But we keep players like Goodson around.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:35 am

Well Goodson was on the 53 for 2 weeks?

Pipkins I thought played well. He made a few mistakes but who doesn't?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 25, 2017 at 02:31 am

I've been screaming since last March that GB should cut Goodson. Waste of $600K cap dollars. And yes, it is perfectly legal to cut Goodson despite his injury.

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Mojo's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:57 pm

Outside of one nice diving catch, I thought Clark looked like a basketball player playing football.

He missed out on an early potential large gain on a sideline pass when he got only one hand on very catchable ball. And for some reason couldn't get his hands up on the late back shoulder pass to the endzone that was well placed. Entirely whiffed on it. Wasn't impressed.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:40 am

He made that tremendous diving catch. He also added 2 more. No he wasn't perfect. I didn't expect him to be.
But outside of that one throw to the endzone, I thought he played well for his first game experience.

What I don't get with Hundley is on that back shoulder throw, while he made a good throw, why not throw it up and let him highpoint it? Same as the deep throws. Underthrow them a bit and let him highpoint them. Take advantage of the 6'6 basketball player turned WR.

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Johnblood27's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:56 am

On the one hand attempt, his other arm was being held to his side by the defender.

I went ballistic with that no-call. especially after the call on Hawkins.

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freddisch's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:56 pm

Back shoulder pass was not the right pass on that play. He have a 6 / 6 receiver against a shorter CB. Throw should have been high and outside

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croatpackfan's picture

December 24, 2017 at 02:53 am

TT make that decisions on the MM requests...

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:44 am

My guess with Fackrell/Gilbert is that since Thompson drafted Fackrell, he had to keep him on the 53. Gilbert outplayed Fackrell in the preseason and outplayed him last night.
No reason why Gilbert shouldn't have been on the 53 all year.

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lou's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:36 am

Agree RCPackerFan, I was really surprised the way Gilbert played in the off season he was not on the 53 and even more surprised when they picked up rookie LB Chris Odom from the Falcons on waivers and put him on the 53. Odom was active for most games but do you remember his name being called once ? Gilbert has the size and motor and he was around the ball a lot last night just like in his exhibition season play.

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Qoojo's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:48 am

Just more failure of recognizing talent. Don't forget about how Jones was riding the bench until MM was absolutely forced to use him.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:40 pm

Because that's the first time that kind of player discovery has ever happened in the NFL...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 25, 2017 at 02:32 am

I saw Odoms do some good things.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

December 24, 2017 at 05:47 am

Vikes will be playing in a nice warm dome not in FREEZING cold weather.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:50 am

Against a lot better offenses and defenses. Had the Packers not beaten themselves with dropped passes and a QB who thought it was a great idea to overthrow his receivers by 10 yards and throw 2 passes directly to the defenders, they easily could have won that game.

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Wenis's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:51 pm

Mashed Potatoe Mike rides again. Third and 1 and you throw deep. Abandoned the run again (broken record). Packers defense kept you in the game once again and the quarterback whisperer and his putrid offense ran around with poopy in their pants.

But have no fear stadium is full and season ticket waiting list is long and ensures that the the 3 Stooges will ride again next year !

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Rossonero's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:10 pm

"Profits are up!! We're doing amazing!!"

- Mark Murphy

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RobinsonDavis's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:51 pm

I don't like to see this type of football, but would have liked to see some shots at Barr to send a signal to ALL the Vikings. Sick of that Crap from them.

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shystr's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:07 pm

Exactly. If there's no consequence, no cost to taking a late hit (actually a late TACKLE) of Aaron Rodgers, wrapping him up & slamming him to the ground after the ball came out) we can expect to see more of the same.

In the NHL, there's a charming tradition, called the "goon" or the "enforcer". It's a player, often a 4th of 5th line center or wing, who goes out and SLAMS any player who goes after his team's finesse player. So if you take a shot at Wayne Gretzky or Bobby Clarke? There's an immediate consequence. You wake up in the ER.

Disappointed the Packers didn't make Barr (or Keenum) pay for ruining AR's & GB's season with a violent tackle after the ball was downfield.

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mrtundra's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:34 pm

Absolutely! If not Barr, then why not Keenum? The vikings wouldn't go very far without Keenum. I would have loved to see Barr get nailed. Does this team have any pride? Even though our defense has been bad most of the season, the cheap shot by Barr on Rodgers is what made us miss the play offs this season.

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December 24, 2017 at 12:05 am

The only guys who would have gone after a guy like Barr were Lang and Sitton. It is what is, they’re a finesse team who relies on one player to carry them.

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Johnblood27's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:00 am

Bakh is our new enforcer on offense.

We have absolutely zero on defense. Unless you count shorty Daniels barking (yipping) at people.

All bark, no bite.

Maybe an offender could catch a cold from the breeze they encounter as HHCD runs up to them without actually hitting them.

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NickPerry's picture

December 25, 2017 at 05:33 am

Bahk might get in the opposing players face a little bit but he's no where near the "Enforcer" either Lang or Sitton were. That's not a knock against Bahktiari either, just the way I've always saw it.

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lebowski's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:52 pm

Not a lot of 'first impressions', but not a lot to be impressed about I imagine. I think back to training camp, and how difficult I thought it was going to be to cut good players because of our deep, talented roster. What receivers would we keep? What about corners and safeties? And we finally had the optimism of a little more pass rush. I was sure players we cut would get pilfered by other teams (other than Taysom Hill, unfortunately, that never happened). This season is a shock, our players and coaches are extremely overrated.

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Rossonero's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:56 pm

What I posted before the game came true:

I can't believe some of the predictions have the Packers getting into double digits! Are you guys on drugs?!

This'll be like the Ravens game. An ugly, fumbling, bumbling comedy of errors. From stupid penalties, to botched substitutions, to injuries, drops and missed blocks, etc.

I hope this is final nail (or second to last nail) in the proverbial coffin for Dom Capers.

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Rossonero's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:57 pm

Oh, and anybody who keeps saying we can trade Hundley for a draft pick is on drugs, too.

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sonomaca's picture

December 24, 2017 at 02:21 am

Hundley is a top 12 backup right now. Definitively future starter potential. Looked very good tonight. Really progressing.

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Rossonero's picture

December 24, 2017 at 07:01 am

Haha!

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Johnblood27's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:02 am

Obviously

Thanks for thatr sound bite Mashed Potato Mike...

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Finwiz's picture

December 24, 2017 at 11:18 am

One word.....

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MarkAlan's picture

December 23, 2017 at 10:57 pm

So did the team quit or Brent Hundley or Mike McCarthy ?

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shystr's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:00 pm

So Minnie put up 16 points against a team without Rodgers, Adams, Evans, or Matthews, Perry, King, Randall, etc. etc.?

They didn't beat the Packers. They beat the "Bay City Backups".

How about those calls? Any slight bias in favor of the "Flavor of the Month", MInnesota?

Let's see how they do against relatively healthy teams, like Philadelphia, Seattle, Pittsburgh or New England. Do I smell a record FIFTH Super Bowl loss in the brewing?

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mrtundra's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:21 pm

Let's see how they do against relatively healthy teams, like Philadelphia, Seattle, Pittsburgh or New England. Do I smell a record FIFTH Super Bowl loss in the brewing?

I don't want them to get that far in case of a bad call from the refs or just pure dumb luck occurs to give them the victory. I do feel they may go one and done. However, if they do get to the Super Bowl, in their hometown, I am hoping for a loss so I can get Packer fans to chip in on a 0-5 billboard on the Wisconsin Minnesota border.

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stockholder's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:02 pm

Loved the shot of TT looking like he belonged in a mental institution. If only Hundley could throw as well as he runs. This team doesn't have enough draft picks to fix their problems. Hendricks still doesn't know where the first down sticks are. Janis first catch of the season? UnReal. Sorry I don't see what you guys like in Davis. Just not the threat I feel is needed. The offensive Line did well. It's just to bad we throw the bombs on 3rd down. Game was over at 1/2. I've seen better pre-season games. Just very tough to finish watching this game.

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m159267's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:50 am

I think TT was seeing his life flash before his eyes.

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pacman's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:07 pm

I was trying to think about what to write. Then I realized - I don't care enough with current management on board to waste my time.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:07 pm

Yawn...I feel like I slept through half of it.

Much closer than I anticipated. Defense was better than I thought they would be. No Perry, no CMIII, still get 3 sacks. Kenny Clark is the real deal, if there was still any doubt.

Offensively, this team looked almost as bad as they did against Baltimore. I have no desire to see Hundley play another snap. Did Aaron Jones even play?

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Rossonero's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:12 pm

Briefly, then left with a knee injury with the other half dozen injured guys we lost tonight.

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4thand1's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:08 pm

I couldn't bring myself to watch after the 1st quarter. The only bright spot I didn't waste my time and money going to the game. They should just stay home for the last game. What would they score a forfeit game, 3-0?

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cpabandit's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:09 pm

Hundley tried his best to tell his receivers that he was going to throw it 20 yards over their heads but his chewing gum froze and it prevented him from getting his words out.

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Since'61's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:18 pm

Pathetic. Too many dropped passes and too many bad throws by Hundley. The defense didn't play badly but not impressively either.

The Vikings really did not show me much offensively. Their first TD had the benefit of a bad PI by Hawkins. Other than that our second string defense held them to 2 FGs.

A healthy Rodgers and our starting receivers and we win this game easy. The officials let at least 3 obvious PIs against the Vikings go with no flag. Terrible officiating yet again.

Fortunately the game meant nothing. Hundley's value continues to fall. We won't be able to trade him for used cleats. The experiment with him is over. Chuck him after the season and draft another QB.

We need better players if we're going to be competitive regardless of who ends up coaching the Packers in 2018. Thanks, Since '61

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Tarynfor12's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:33 pm

I'd simply copy and paste the many things I've said was wrong with this team and some players over the last 6 seasons but it'd do no good.

Odds are after MM gets his extension and even if capers is let go, the issues will still be there. Unless a philosophy of the game approach and with in game adjustment and the drafting of players is more important than the UDFA finds that gives TT reason to invest in risk picks or the square peg/round hole concept.

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Finwiz's picture

December 24, 2017 at 11:19 am

Hundley is totally incompetent as a QB at this point, and should be dumped as a backup. He's not even capable of playing 500 football if Rodgers goes down in the future.

Jordy might just be done. Sad but true. He will either renegotiate his contract before next season or he will be off the roster.

They have real difficulty finding lineman that can stay healthy.

Their D is so bad, particularly over the middle in coverage, that an entire revamp of this defense will be in order from the defensive coordinator on down to 1/2 the players. They have real difficulties finding competent, healthy players on defense too.

It's a sad state of affairs. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Thompson sits in the press box with his mouth breather look, like he's totally zoned out and not particularly focused. Changes in management are in order, but will Murphy force them? I have my doubts, but it's possible the DC will be the only fall guy.

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sonomaca's picture

December 24, 2017 at 02:24 am

Completely wrong about Hundley.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:20 am

We'll see. If he's lucky Packer inertia will allow him to make the team next year. And then: good luck getting a second contract, Brent!

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:53 am

Brent, who? Fullwood?

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lou's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:46 am

Sonomaca may be right, Hundley broke a long standing NFL record last night, the most attempted passes in a season at home WITHOUT a TD PASS. Former record holder was the Bears Bob Avellini.

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4thand10's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:46 pm

-Yes...Hundley is not good

-McCarthy should know this, why let him throw in the red zone? Run the ball and if it don't work out ...kick a field goal. You'll avoid a shut out.

-Kenny Clark is the real deal.
-Williams still running hard with his snaps, still falling forward
- it still baffles me as others have stated....You have HUNDLEY... run the friggen ball on third and short, or a reverse or something OTHER than throwing the ball.
-At the risk of sounding like a loser....please, can there be some consistency in officiating . How was that PI not called when Clark was getting his pocket change stolen? But yet Diggs gets the call. It's disgusting.

-Big changes are needed ....from Staff to play calls to under-performing players...on both sides of the ball.

All I can look forward to is over-rated ,high paid, non- producing players being cut and some staff being fired. Maybe try to hope that some draft picks can improve this team.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 11:44 pm

 "run the friggen ball on third and short, or a reverse or something OTHER than throwing the ball."

Exactly. Offensive gurus. Please. Steady decline since Philbin.

Like Al said I don't like when they throw deep on 3rd and short with Rodgers, let alone Hundley. Are they kidding us.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:57 am

They keep thinking that they can take Cobb, put him in some kind of motion (either a sweep or his reversing field last night), throw it to him behind the line, and make yards. I don't get it. It worked once against the Saints and not since.

At this stage, Cobb going in motion is like putting a strobe light on his helmet because even WE know what's coming. If they would be clever enough to put him in motion and then NOT throw him the ball behind the line, I think Detroit will be caught flat-footed every time.

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4thand1's picture

December 23, 2017 at 11:49 pm

Remember the press con when MM was asked about Kaepernick? Hundley was our guy, we've spent 3 years grooming him for this role. If your going to be a QB guru, you better have to have a QB with some talent. Without Rodgers, this front office and coaching staff would be where Sherman is, the CFL. These are hard times to be a Packer fan. Merry Christmas.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:57 am

I don't know why we assume Kaepernick would be any better.

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Mojo's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:20 am

It's not so much they lost tonight that hurts, it's the way they did it. Countless failed drives ending in countless punts. Dropped passes, poor decision making (what was Davis thinking on that fair catch at the five with no one around him). Bad off target deep balls, players not tracking balls properly (Davis again, Clark and on D - Hawkins terrible PI).

Endless injuries, lackluster play, missed tackles, lack of talent all making the post-injured Arod era at times incredibly boring. And for an entertainment venture - that's the worst thing you can be.

Football games for GB has, for the most part in the last half of the season, been like their offense twice this year - pointless.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 05:37 am

"Countless failed drives ending in countless punts."

If it helps, I counted the punts...and the Vikings had one more than the Packers did.

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Mojo's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:37 am

Our .467 win'loss percentage currently puts us in 15th place in next years draft. IF we can only hold on or maybe even move up higher before season end.

Remember folks, it's not just the positioning in the first round, but it holds for the entire draft. This team desperately needs an infusion of talent while Arod can still fling it.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 08:29 am

Best opportunity yet to salvage the remainder side of ARod's career. Just a difference maker or two on any side of the ball. . A couple of players along with an aggressive DC, and MM getting his head screwed on straight would change our direction. Not feeling so good that the current team decision makers will capitalize on this. Critical draft year. Even more critical off season coaching change decisions.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:59 am

" Just a difference maker or two on any side of the ball. "

Agree 100%. This team is in such desperate need of quality players that putting them on the field anywhere will help.

I think the key difference maker will be the new one they put at DC.

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Jamie Freier's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:10 pm

Thompson will trade down out of the first round and his first pick in the second will be a former point guard converted to long snapper.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:35 pm

Given the revolving door at LS this season, this should lock that position down for years to come.

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CAG123's picture

December 24, 2017 at 02:39 am

Until proven otherwise Trevor Davis will be labeled as soft Hundley threw him a perfect pass and he made no effort to catch because he didn’t want to lay out for it and after seeing the replay you realize he merely had to fully extend his arms. I can’t wait for the end of the season to see what changes are made.

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December 24, 2017 at 05:10 am

Let's face it, this was preseason football for the pack. Next week will be the same. The OL played well. Hundley had time to make his reads but once again failed the test. He is so right handed that he would starve if you tied his right hand behind his back. Obviously, he cannot roll left and throw. Most of these receivers have no experience playing in cold weather and it shows. Davis continues to show a complete lack of field awareness as he fair catches a punt inside the 5 yard line. While the defense played OK, the inability to make a big play shows. Dix dropped an easy interception in the first half. Smith makes that play and stops the scoring drive. We are what our record shows. There is a fine line between success and failure in the NFL and this year we are on the wrong side of the line.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 05:38 am

"We are what our record shows."

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!
(add shouting and spitting for effect)

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badaxed's picture

December 24, 2017 at 06:46 am

If I were Aaron Rogers I would go to Mark Murphy and tell him to trade me as playing for this organization is hazordiness to my health. Way too many injuries , no talent on this team, no future here.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 11:01 am

"If I were Aaron Rogers I would go to Mark Murphy and tell him to trade me as playing for this organization is hazordiness to my health."

There's a lot of ridiculiousness in this.

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al bundy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:02 pm

I happen to agree with cowherd, Rogers needs either one more sb win or some solid playoff wins to really cement his greatness and he is not going to get there staying in gb.

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badaxed's picture

December 24, 2017 at 07:25 am

Christmas wish list!
1. New General manager.
2. New head coach.
3.New defensive coordinator.
4. New backup quarter back.
5. New right tackle.
6. New free safety.
7. New outside linebackers.
8. New speedy receivers who can catch and get open.
9. New Taller Faster Corner Back Who Can Tackle And Not Be Fragile.
10. World peace. Or at least the first 9 wishes.

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4thand1's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:32 am

Are you a browns fan?

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4zone's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:48 am

No TE's?

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:02 pm

That would mean we have to be a Patriots fan if we ask for all that

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UmpireMark's picture

December 24, 2017 at 08:11 am

When forced to coach and manage this team without a HOF quarterback, MM failed miserably. Both in execution and planning.

He has proven the ever changing game in this league has passed by him.

Time for wholesale change.

Merry Christmas.

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4zone's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:49 am

Sadly, AR will be the reason McMufin keeps his job. Management will lay this entire season on AR not being there.

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nostradanus's picture

December 24, 2017 at 08:37 am

This team is in need of a complete re-build and a new GM! Fire the whole lot of them! That was a total embarrassment last night but at least they got to showcase the sledding hill. This team is low on talent and most of the talent is on the the downside of their careers Mathews, Burnett, Nelson, Brook and who know about Rodgers. Is it time to explore trading Rodgers?
It's going to be a long winter up der in da cheese land yah. Thompson has bungled the whole deal, letting pro-bowlers Lang, Hayward, Sitton, Hyde get away and now the news that they may have put Rodgers on IR against NFL rules thus risking losing him with no compensation, really? Ted (as shown on national TV last night is a drooling, blundering idiot, one step from the nursing home. Man up Murphy and fire the whole lot GM & coaching staff!

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4zone's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:45 am

Good news is we move up in the draft to at least #15 by the end of this week's games

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UmpireMark's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:49 am

The bad news is, Teddy will find a way to screw that up, if allowed to be our GM when the draft draws near.

Justin Harrel anyone?

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4zone's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:50 am

Exactly.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 11:02 am

"Justin Harrel anyone?"

I don't think he's draft eligible...

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4zone's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:53 am

Murphy doesn't have it in him to make tough calls. He won't fire anyone of meaning. Some position coach gets hacked but not Ted, Dom or Mike. It's the good ole boys club don't ya know.

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dobber's picture

December 24, 2017 at 11:04 am

Murphy might have played football, but he's not a football guy. He's a lawyer and a manager. He's doing exactly what he's paid to do. I don't see any way he makes any decisions beyond evaluating the GM: he's put all those other decisions on TT...who puts many of the other decisions on MM.

I think you need to sit and wait. There's change in the wind.

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al bundy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:07 pm

Whenever u fire someone your saying ó somethings wrong. I agree they will use Rogers and poor poor hunleys lack of play for this year's excuse.

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Qoojo's picture

December 24, 2017 at 10:35 am

Packers plain suck without Rodgers. TT, MM, and Capers are the 3 stooges riding Rodgers' coattails.

In what would be the ultimate irony, because TT wanted to get yet another undrafted/practice squad guy on the roster, there is talk of rules violations and that the packers should have to release rodgers because he went on IR without a new injury. I guess the front office doesn't know the rules or loses sight of them when those tempting UDFAs are sitting there. Who needs Rodgers when you can add Callahan and OL from denver's practice squad.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

December 24, 2017 at 12:05 pm

WE SUCK !!!!!! That's the bottom line

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Oppy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 01:36 pm

When you go for it on 4th down in a ten point game in the opening minutes of the 3rd Q from midfield? WTF, WTF, WTF.

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4thand10's picture

December 24, 2017 at 02:32 pm

Exactly Oppy. I didn't even remember that one, your right. Not disciplined coaching at all. That's emotional and panic coaching.

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

December 24, 2017 at 06:28 pm

Seahawks just won against Dallas on the road. Seattle has more penalty yards than offensive yards and won 21-12. I hate it but Packers defense could never do that. Seattle defense punishes receivers over the middle.

We need tough defensive players!!

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The TKstinator's picture

December 24, 2017 at 06:45 pm

You will receive no argument here.

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Mojo's picture

December 24, 2017 at 11:35 pm

Said a lot of the same thing to the group I was watching the game with Georgia. Seattle's D just spanked Dak all over the field.

Even with a decimated secondary they fly around the field and take the action to the offense. Make no mistake, I'm no fan of Seattle, but I'd take the way they play defense any day. We'd be in every game and the frontrunner for the SB every year with a healthy ARod.

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

December 24, 2017 at 06:49 pm

Hundley set an NFL record Saturday night! Most pass attempts at home in a season without a TD pass and MM doesn’t understand why he is asked the question “did you consider pulling the QB? He is clueless!!

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al bundy's picture

December 24, 2017 at 09:11 pm

Come on if Callahan had come in and done well it would have made Ted look the fool keeping hundley around three years and nothing in return. Mike would never do that to the guy who signs his checks

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nostradanus's picture

December 24, 2017 at 07:43 pm

McCarthy is going to stubborn his azz out of a job haha he needs to go.

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