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Packers Vs. Ravens: First Impressions

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Packers Vs. Ravens: First Impressions

My immediate thoughts on the Packers - Ravens game without the benefit of a re-watch.

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One play into the game and Brett Hundley already looks much more confident in the pocket.

Expected the Ravens to go for it on 4th-and-30, but I guess not.

That's essentially what it comes down to. Dom Capers has to put these guys in position to make plays -- but the players also have to make the plays. Clay Matthews did.

We talk so much about Brett Hundley's confidence level, but have to wonder where it's at right about now after two bone-headed interceptions.

First career carry for Devante Mays and it's the first fumble from a Packers running back this season. That'll put him in the dog house.

When you knock Capers and this defense, you have to praise them too. Three offensive turnovers and his unit has only given up three points.

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix atones for his earlier dropped interception by making a tremendous one in coverage. Helluva job.

That was a tremendous half of football played by the Packers' defense.

Can't stress how good this defense has been. Packers stall on fourth down offensively, defense gets a short field and forces a three-and-out. Huge.

Feels like the Packers are back to where they started with Hundley. Another game where they have to get him into a rhythm and help him develop confidence.

Today marks the 11-year anniversary of the Packers being shut out at Lambeau Field, 35-0 to the Patriots. They sure are celebrating the occasion today. Still, there's a lot of football left to be played.

Kenny Clark is now down on the field in the midst of what has been a career year. What a nightmare.

Even at this point in the game -- 3:04 left in the fourth quarter -- Hundley's flaws are so evident. Offensive line hasn't been great, but he's not doing them any favors by not stepping up in the pocket.

This is officially the first time in the history of the Green Bay Packers that they've been shutout by a score of 23-0, and I'm eating all kinds of crow for my prediction.

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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marpag1's picture

That may have been the most boring Packer game I have ever endured.

P.S. - in case you missed it, here is the link to Cory Jennerjohn's superb article, "Give me Hundley over Flacco."

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-give-me-hundley-over-flacco-522

pooch's picture

Yes,that article was flat out ridiculous

Duke Divine's picture

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Cory is either a hopeless romantic or the best satirical writer of all time cause that's a joke!

mrj007's picture

You know if you give Hundley like 30 or 40 seconds to decide to throw, he has a good arm. How many tines did you jus scream "THROW IT!" today?

croatpackfan's picture

Every time he did not gave the ball to the RB...

tincada's picture

I was yelling, Joe, Joe, Joe! Fat boy stop with the crap about the QB room is set. Give Joe a chance, what have you got to lose but another game which will happen next week when Big Ben dismantles you. BH is toast. BH, back to pass, can't find primary receiver, runs right, gets sacked or throws a short minimal gain pass.

And stop with the Dom C complaining. He saved a blow out with Terrible Ted's legion of cheap bottom feeding undrafted free agents. MM & TT get out of town now before you ruin AR. Or as we say, just keep saying "so pathetic over and over real fast and it starts to sound like copacetic.

fthisJack's picture

capers D sucks. the middle of the field was wide open again today for the worst QB in the league. how can you defend this guy after all the defensive breakdowns? special teams haven't been too special lately either. i think its time to clean house and start over. MM still cannot pick up a yard on third and one and then fourth and one. slam the middle twice,,,,,what innovation! total lack of imagination on offense.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

42 seconds

Doug Niemczynski's picture

42 seconds

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Listening to Dom Capers in his press interview is an absolute joke he played a crappy offense they have Joe Flacco as their quarterback they have no receivers to throw the freaking ball too they have really no running back and Allen guy is just okay he is not Leonard fournette he is not DeMarco Murray is not Ezekiel Elliott he is not David Johnson he's not Todd Gurley he is not Devonta Freeman there are so many good running backs this was a crap offense we played and we gave up 23 points my defense sucks I suck and I resign as defensive coordinator of the Green Bay Packers because next week when we play the Pittsburgh Steelers we're going to get around 60 to 0 my name is Dom Capers and I approve this message goodbye to the Green Bay Packers organization

Coldworld's picture

Well, now I say he can keep him, so long as it is nowhere near Green Bay!

Point Packer's picture

That "give me Hundley over Flacco" piece was flat out idiotic. As was ever single CHTV "expert "who predicted GB over Baltimore. Objective thought would be nice. This team without #12 is the Browns and GBs head coach has been exposed as mediocre (less than mediocre?). Be nice if the media started reporting it that way as opposed to kissing MMs ass. And Ted's for that matter. The GB Packer homer truly is "fake news"..

Bearmeat's picture

That was awful. Hundley is awful. Fire TT. Fire MM. Fire Capers. Clean house.

Game, set, season. Ugh.

Turophile's picture

Exposing Taysom Hill to waivers is looking very foolish, in retrospect.

MITM's picture

Forget about retrospect, it looked foolish when it happened.

dobber's picture

If we think Taysom HIll would be the answer to these problems then this is a much better team than we're actually saying.

MITM's picture

Its not about being the answer its about having a pulse on the field..what is the point of the preseason if a guy can outplay his competition and not make the roster?

jpar's picture

You're exactly right except it wouldn't make any difference because MM wouldn't have played him. He'll stick with Hundley as the ship continues to sink.

4zone's picture

What are the odds MM eats crow and starts Callahan next week?

Vrog's picture

Nil

4zone's picture

Probably right

Duke Divine's picture

Why would our "highly successful head coach" ever eat crow?

mrj007's picture

Doesn't look like he misses many meals. Crow or otherwise. But have no fear, he knows what the problem is and like always he will get it fixed.

HankScorpio's picture

Whatever the odds, I'm all for the change.

bjkdad44's picture

Hope so... Huntley is a bust imho

Malland56's picture

He said NO

fthisJack's picture

same chance as him calling a play that will pick up a 4th and 1.

Mojo's picture

There should be no discussion about this game. Our sole focus should be on next years draft and who will be conducting it.

Nick Perry's picture

BEST comment since Rodgers injury. This is EXACTLY what we have left to look forward to. Who will we draft and hopefully it's not Thompson making the pick.

mnklitzke's picture

Couldn't agree more. But do you have faith Murphy will make this decision? Not me. You have faith MM will ever make a change to this defense that leaves the middle of the field open all the time? Nope. They will write this season off due to lossing Rodgers and keep riding Rodgers till he retires then after we revert back the packers of the 80s will MM be fired... maybe

rdent's picture

I am confident once TT is gone so is MM and Capers. Hopefully AR is still there.

Nick Perry's picture

"I am confident once TT is gone so is MM and Capers. Hopefully AR is still there."

You HAVE to wonder what is going on in Rodgers head. He's signed through 2019 and will turn 34 in less than 2 weeks. The Packers could offer an extension but will he sign? I would hope he does but I would also imagine the ONLY way he'd sign is if Thompson is gone. The Packers aren't going to fix the mess of all the Ted Thompson draft busts with just a good draft in 2018. Whoever the GM is he'll have to convince Rodgers he's "ALL-IN" and willing to do whatever it takes to get Rodgers back to the SB.

HankScorpio's picture

Don't forget about the franchise tag meaning the Packers have 2 one year options on Rodgers. That puts him at 38 when he can be pretty much guaranteed the opportunity to leave. Maybe 37.

But I'm curious why you would completely discount that what is going through Rodgers' head is that they were 4-1 with SB aspirations before he got hurt. And there is no reason to believe they would have gone 1-4 with him since then.

dobber's picture

Every game except Atlanta was more than just winnable. This team is probably 9-1 with ARod under center right now. What a difference that one player makes...

jpar's picture

You believe this team would be 9 -1 with Rodgers? Wow. I know he's great, but this team has some real issues including Caper's defense and an offensive line that, even when healthy, is not great. Rodgers covers a lot of team weaknesses, but this would be way too much to overcome.

ironman3169's picture

Shit, after seeing this debacle of a team, I’d be surprised if Rodgers even hangs around.....

stockholder's picture

TT draft mistakes really stood out this game. 1. Spriggs; Biggest bust since Tony Mandrich. 2. Davis; He's not a gunner or WR, and Cobb should be returning Punts. 3. Hundley; is a 3rd string QB. for the Bears.

dobber's picture

If all you're going to point to is three guys who shouldn't be on the field, I think you need better ammunition.

It's there, but these three guys aren't the poster children.

Tundraboy's picture

We are the smart ones. Wish Murphy was.

tincada's picture

Get off of the draft thing. This team needs some well vetted, experienced FAs. We all know Terrible Ted is not able to do that. Draft is OK but you very rarely can expect these rookies to take the team to to the top....unless your bar is like lowlevel Ted's playoffs.

Coldworld's picture

When did we last experience such a terrible mental and physical collapse from a GB starting QB? Hundley telegraphs and panics either throwing blindly or standing like a deer in headlights. I fear he does not have the mind. Only success is when he stops thinking.

Since '61's picture

Jerry Tagge? Thanks, Since '61

Coldworld's picture

That was a long long time in infamy ago.

mrj007's picture

Must be the gum.... Did he buy it in Denver? #canibis

Free agent's picture

Would at least like to see Hundley attempt to blow a bubble...
He blows at everything else on the field

DThomas's picture

Aaron Rodgers should not play again this season, even if they aren't mathematically eliminated: The team isn't good enough to win two playoff games even with Aaron back.

Hundley is unbelievably bad. A couple of weeks ago McCarthy came to the defense of his THIRD-year QB. He needs to come to his own defense this time. I haven't participated in the previous hype about Joe Callahan (or Hundley for that matter) but Callahan should start next week. Having Hundley start again sends a bad signal to the team.

Free agent's picture

He’s not stupid, he won’t play...... He’s probably hoping for a new GM, Head coach and coaching staff like we are.

Since '61's picture

More than likely he is looking to sign with a team that will provide him with an NFL level supporting cast. He is too smart to finish out his career with this management team. Thanks, Since '61

HankScorpio's picture

I get that frustrations are high right now. But this Rodgers going elsewhere stuff is just idle speculation that ignores a whole lot of reality.

He's got 2 years left on his current deal and would have to play under the tag at least once, probably twice. 3-4 years is an eternity in the NFL. I seriously doubt he's ready to start walking though the next 3-4 years to reach freedom.

At that time, he'd be 37-38. DC would be 69-70 and TT would be 67-68. Both could retire at any time and everything changes in GB.

Not to mention that the exit gambit depends on Rodgers believing that he cannot win in GB. That doesn't sound like the Aaron Rodgers I have been following. Watching the carnage from the sidelines seems more likely to strengthen his inner fire than extinguish it, at least to me.

Since '61's picture

Hank - Rodgers is already discussing becoming an owner of an NBA team after his NFL career. He is thinking about following in the foot steps of Michael Jordan, Derek Jeter and Peyton Manning who is considering team ownership as well. That means Aaron needs to make as much money as possible before he ends his NFL career.

Do we really want to believe that this management team is going to pay what Aaron Rodgers will expect in his new contract. When Rodgers returns next season and leads the Packers back into the playoffs and maybe earns another MVP award he is going to expect to be the highest paid player in NFL history. That will probably require $30+ million per season. Denver may go for it like they did with Peyton, Washington may go for it if they don't resign Cousins, there will be other teams in the mix as well. Remember that Rodgers is smart and so is his agent. He will go where the money is combined with his best opportunity for returning to an SB. Also he will be 35, he won't be able to carry a team as well as he has been carrying the Packers. He is going to need a solid OL, an NFL level defense, and a good running game. A game break receiver would help as well.

I hope Rodgers doesn't leave GB but I will not be surprised if he moves on.
He's watching this fiasco unfold with the rest of us and we don't even want to watch it so why should expect him to remain a part of it?
Thanks, Since '61

fastmoving's picture

And thats the problem........seems difficult to pay the QB a quarter of the cap space and have a good roster everywhere else at the same time.

There is a reason for the salary cap.

HankScorpio's picture

For years, Tom Brady has given the Pats a deep discount on his actual salary vs his value relative to other QBs. His cap number for this year is $14 mil. That's pretty much the highest cap hit they have taken for him to date. It jumps to $22 mil for 2018 & 2019. Which is at least in the ballpark for elite QB but still a little low.

HankScorpio's picture

He can ask for whatever he wants to ask for. The more he makes, the less there is available to pay the other 52 on the roster.

He'll bank $20.9 in 2018 and $21.2 in 2019 based on his current contract. Barring an extension, in 2020, he'll play in GB for the franchise tag number of QBs for that year. According to ESPN, that number is about $21.6 mil in 2017. It will go up from there to maybe $23-25 mil. Subsequent use of the tag would be at 120% and 144% of the first tag or about $30 mil and $36 mil respectively

So let's assume your $30+ mil contract expectation is correct. If they tag him 3 times with a first tag @ $25 mil, they are on the hook for $91 mil to keep him under contract through 2023 when he turns 39. By that point, Capers and TT will likely both be gone, to voluntary retirement if nothing else. At least 60% of the roster today will be turned over, for better or worse. This issues of today will be but a distant memory.

He ain't going anywhere. Just.stop.the.nonsense.

rdent's picture

After this game MM has lost this team. Time to tank, clean house and look forward to the draft.

Wenis's picture

I wonder what Mashed Potatoe Mike has to say about pad level this week ?

Since '61's picture

Impressions:
1. Awful, Dreadful, and Pathetic.
2. Our defense played well enough to win today. They deserved a better fate than they received.
3. I said the Packers could not turn the ball over, they did. I posted that the Packers needed to run the ball effectively, they didn't. The OL needed to protect Hundley, they didn't. They needed to throw to the TE, Hundley could not execute. They needed to win the field position battle, they lost that and the game miserably.
4. We will be lucky to get a pair of cleats for Hundley if he continues to play like he did today.
5. Another failure by the Special Teams.
6. MM, WTF are you doing out there? C'mon man!
7. I will be looking forward to Cory Jennerjohn's article on why he would rather have Brett Hundley over Ben Rothlisberger next week.

Thanks, Since '61

stockholder's picture

1. = Spriggs 2. Jones,Dix, and Perry! 3. Hundley Failed first! 4. Find a RB first that won't tire. #84 needs them! 5. Gunner; Why is Davis on the Right and not Janis? Why is Davis even on the field. 6. Is he helping Capers stay? 7. Bet the Packers draft a QB #1.

bjkdad44's picture

In my opinion it wasn’t so much the O-line as it was Hundkeys pure lack of QB know-how

Since '61's picture

You are correct but the OL wasn't exactly crisp either, especially in the ground game. Thanks, Since '61

fthisJack's picture

couldn't make a yard in 2 tries. O line sucked but so does McCarthy's stupid play calls to get that yard.

Since '61's picture

I've mostly been a supporter of MM over the years and I believe that he is a good coach but he was bad today just really, really bad. I don't know why.

It seemed like he had no idea how to defeat the Ravens defense. Hundley's awful play hurt the team but the game plan was flawed to say the least.

It was coaching stupidity and MM needs to be accountable for it.

Thanks, Since '61

tincada's picture

What's the problem? Fat boy already said BH is his starter. Bet Big Ben is LHAO

fthisJack's picture

people praising Capers for his Din this game will be singing a different tune next week when the Steelers demolish this defense. they will put up at least 35 on him.

Coldworld's picture

Any chance the saints will take Hundley for Taysom Hill? He seemed to have the mental strength at least.

Since '61's picture

Absolute zero chance that any team will take Hundley for a player. They might take him for a pair of used cleats. He is obviously not ready to play at the NFL level. Thanks, Since '61

Coldworld's picture

Alas pure grave humor on my part even asking.

rdent's picture

Got to keep in mind Hundley was a 5th round pick.Can't expect much.

Since '61's picture

rdent - I didn't expect much and I have posted for years here long before Hundley that preseason performances mean nothing. However, I admit that I expected something better than what we saw today. Thanks, Since '61

rdent's picture

I too thought he would have come along further than he has. Hard to believe he has 3years in the system.

stockholder's picture

Jimmy Johnson: Left a comment. Hundley needs to sit on the bench.

fastmoving's picture

You mean the great Jimmy Johnson........who lost his last nfl game 77 to 7 Jacksonville.
This guy is alway right.....except when he was in charge

Duke Divine's picture

Packers fan: "take the training wheels off." Tater takes em off and and Hundley immediately ghost rides the bike off a cliff! Can't figure out why they threw so much with the ravens strength of pass defense and leaky run defense... Mashed potato really picked the wrong opponent to take the training wheels off... Hundley was awful. Step up in the damn pocket for once!

Coldworld's picture

If anyone threw like Hundley did today they would make even our secondary look all world. None of those interceptions required much more than not dropping them

tincada's picture

Hey, fat boy has 3 years invested in BH, What's the problem? Why didn't they run? Simple they don't have any backs except Terrible Ted's usual cast of undrafted rookie / inexperienced FAs.

Tarynfor12's picture

Is there anything in this performance that I haven't brought to light and been disliked for.

Tundraboy's picture

Fackrell had a sack?

stockholder's picture

Bust. Lucky, and bad in pursuit.

Tarynfor12's picture

I've already acknowledged the failure of Fackrell but everything I've said in regard to Hundley and more important to the team being the QB was spot on and proven more so today. Can't wait till next week.

Coldworld's picture

Fackrell appeared to have turned up to play today. Never thought I would say that. Perhaps a lightbulb moment, perhaps not, but fair is fair.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Glad I went Deer Hunting.

Duke Divine's picture

Listened to 2nd half in my deer stand. Wayne and Larry were disgusted... Bill and Gary post game is way more entertaining than that game....

Coldworld's picture

Wasted our best defensive outing of the year completely.

OrganLeroy's picture

Kudos to the defense,..BUT, they played the 30th ranked offense today, what do you think will happen against Pittsburgh?

rdent's picture

Organ leroy, annihilation!

Free agent's picture

Over/under: 42 points for Steelers

nigrivasilayesrej's picture

Under, barely.... and only because they let up in the 4th quarter after leading by 4-5 touchdowns.

nigrivasilayesrej's picture

The Ravens avg 12 points/gm on the road. Just wait until next Sunday night...

Free agent's picture

Glad it wasn’t televised in my area. I’ll pay for the Sunday ticket when TT, MM and Capers are gone.

GBPDAN1's picture

And the season from hell continues. Whoever makes the final decision to flex games, please pull the Packers game away from a national audience next week. It's embarrassing . Steelers 55 - The Hundley's 0.

Coldworld's picture

Please let Callahan have a shot. I never want to watch Hundley telegraph another lob again.

Nick Perry's picture

What a horrible game that will be. To bad it wasn't flexed out.

Free agent's picture

Actually it’s a good thing if the Steeler game is on Sunday night. An ass kicking in prime time will amp up the heat on TT and MM. It might even wipe off the permanent smile on Murphy’s face.

Since '61's picture

Too much money coming in to wipe the smile off Murphy's face. The Packers record is irrelevant when your stadium is sold out for the next 25-30 years, plus there is the guaranteed TV revenue. Along with the sold out stadium comes the concession sales, the museum and Packer HOF visitors. Soon there will be an annual revenue stream from "Titletown" or Packer World or whatever Murphy is focused on building.

The on field results are becoming a hobby rather than the focus of the Packers organization. Besides if revenue slips they can always raise the ticket prices. Win or lose the beat goes on. "MM is a highly successful NFL coach." Thanks, Since '61

Duke Divine's picture

Seems like Slocum is still the ST coach.... Never any improvement. I think ST is a lost cause as long as Mashed Potato Mike is in control of the staff/team.

4zone's picture

Too much cronyism on this team.

Duke Divine's picture

100%! No accountability in the staff or office

Nick Perry's picture

The defense played extremely well but even they got worn down eventually. McCarthy's offense is poo-poo without Rodgers, just awful. This was the first time in YEARS I've actually turned off a Packers Game because I had absolutely ZERO hope they could come back. My ONLY hope for 2017 is Ted Thompson and McCarthy not being with the Packers organization after say January 2nd.

Congrats to the defense. You guys played your ass off despite being put in horrible positions by your offense time and again.

Brett Hundley has actually played himself out of the NFL I believe. If not I hope wherever he goes the Packers play them and he's the QB.

croatpackfan's picture

"Brett Hundley has actually played himself out of the NFL I believe."

With today show I agree completely with you. I was hoping MM will go with Callahan (sigh)

4zone's picture

Got real stuff to do, latr

Bedrock's picture

I’m not impressed by the defense against a poor offense. They played at their respective levels and the Ravens offense just sucks.

Hundley alternates between athletic and stupid, sometimes within the same play. Unfortunately, today, it happened every series.

Ugh. Looking at draft websites today.

Coldworld's picture

He is athletic and has an arm. Sadly his mind appears to negate both regularly

stockholder's picture

Josh Jones and Dix played very well. I would say the Ravens defense is better, no doubt.

mrj007's picture

Just took a huge dump. As I flushed I lamented how similar the Packers looked to the s$$t swirling around the toilet.

bjkdad44's picture

Reminded me of the 80’s...

Since '61's picture

More like the 70s. Thanks, Since '61

sonomaca's picture

Hundley was a 5th rounder, ie a lottery ticket. If the Pack get a top 10 pick, they should be looking QB. Might not get a high pick again.

Duke Divine's picture

Good news: On a positive note I'm pretty sure I saw Ha Ha on the field today, I think. Wasn't he? Bad news: Kenny Clark going down is the cherry on top of the Shit heep.

Coldworld's picture

No need for a defense if you can't score I suppose, but hated to see Clark get rolled on. Guess he was too bright a light in the dark that is this season

jh9's picture

Packers fans deserve better.

croatpackfan's picture

Nobody deserves better...

If you think so, find better for yourself...

rdent's picture

"Without benefit of a re-watch" lol why would anyone want to watch that again.

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

Pathetic showing on Offense 3 home losses in a row and 1-4 since AR went down. Not very successful MM. this is your guy Hundley. This was a must win and the team laid another egg! Looks like 7-9. Hopefully Murphy tells TT it’s time to retire and someone else is running the draft board. Isn’t enough enough already??

badaxed's picture

'
"The train is leaving the station" time for McCarthy to jump on and ride it back to Pittsburg.

bjkdad44's picture

7-9? How??

TommyG's picture

Bucs and browns.

OrganLeroy's picture

Not with Hundley at QB, the Bucs and Browns will beat us, this is a 5-11 football team especially with McCarthy's brilliant game plans.

dobber's picture

The "must-win" was Detroit. The most painful part of this game relative to season status was that it was a home game. If you're going to lose, lose to an AFC team like Baltimore, not to an NFC team like Detroit (or New Orleans).

omega's picture

Let's be honest. The main issue of this game was that Dom's defense looked competent enough for him to keep his job after the season.

HankScorpio's picture

Don't worry, they won't face another offense that bad again this season. Even the Browns are slightly better.

mrj007's picture

Pack have been averaging about 4 injuries per game. How many today? I counted at least 3... The hits keep rolling for this nightmare 2017 campaign...

croatpackfan's picture

I think Mike McCrathy has to explain a few things to Brett Hundley:

1. When he get the ball from center, he must throw the ball to the free player;
2. when throwing the ball to the player, that player must be from his team;
3. Throwing balls to the field where there is no one, and the ball fall on the field is not completition, but intentional grounding;
4. running from the pocket is not the idea of the game;
5. If he loves the ball so much, let him buy one for himself ...

That's what I saw today ...

And hats off for Packers D!

Coldworld's picture

What became obvious today (if not before) is that it doesn't matter what anyone tells Hundley. When the pressure is on he can't process and either freezes or panic throws. No amount of arm can make an NFL quarterback unless there is a brain capable of operating it. These types often look great in practice without the pressure or unpredictability. The key is, now that this is clear, will McCarthy face up to it and move on?

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Nope

Coldworld's picture

McCarthy has, of course, since proved you right ....

Coldworld's picture

McCarthy has, of course, since proved you right ....

OrganLeroy's picture

McCarthy will never admit he's wrong about anything, we're stuck with Hundley and sadly we're stuck with MM next season as well unless Ted retires, and he's under contract through the 2018 draft, not before.

rdent's picture

Coldworld, the knock on Hundley coming out of college was. Can't read coverages and is slow to process. Good assessment!

snowdog's picture

Who says you Can't chew gum and QB at the same time ?

HankScorpio's picture

Hundley practicing against Capers' defense is probably quite the epic battle. Both sides do enough to convince the coaches that they are getting in meaningful work that shows they are improving. But in reality it is the resistible object vs the movable force.

nigrivasilayesrej's picture

Best comment of the day.

jhalwas611.com's picture

Lack of arm strength and failure to step up into the pocket were the big issues.

dobber's picture

He's got an arm, but throwing off your back foot while falling backward negates most of that.

lou's picture

We needed some humor croatpackfan, your post reminded me of Max McGee describing Lombardi's first address to his team after he was hired, Vince held up a football and said, "this is a football", Max said, "don't go so fast coach". I remember the last shut out at home vs the Pat's, that was 35-0 and it was during "Spy Gate", Favre went down and Rodgers came in for the first time but believe me sitting there we all looked at each other and said, "they know every play that is coming". I don't know if "Deflate Gate" was real or not but SPY GATE WAS REAL. Thats what makes this shutout so bad, there are no excuses for this level of offensive play, none.

rdent's picture

It cannot become more apparent how AR has made this organization look better than it really is. If we beleive in miracles we need one now if this team is going to finish 6-10. After this season the entire organization should be re-evaluated from top to bottom.

Coldworld's picture

Actually, what we saw today was largely a result wrought singlehandedly. A rare event where one man pretty much completely drove the outcome despite the best efforts of those around him on both sides of the ball. That is how historically bad Hundley was today.

Free agent's picture

The entire organization needs to be replaced from top to bottom. 2 of the best QB’s of all time are what made TT look good. They would make another GM look GREAT!

rdent's picture

Freeagent, I agree, been saying that since the 2013 season.

cpabandit's picture

We have to continue to remember on not dare forget that McCarthy is a very successful coach, that Hundley "is my man".

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Martellius Bennett was right! !! He got the hell out of dodge. ..for this crap org. And went to a super bowl contender...

Coldworld's picture

And in doing so demonstrated that he was equally excremental

stockholder's picture

Defensive Performance: I'm Still not happy with it! The Ravens came right out in the 2nd half, and drove the field. They set the tone for the second half. The Ravens defense finished the job. Sorry but the Ravens were in control of this game, and they knew it. The Packers were one play away from being blown out. And Hundley supplied that later too. TT, Capers, and even MM better find some answers. MM has become desperate! The Packers are giving up the fight.

Coldworld's picture

The Raven's offense stank. Our D was pretty much out there all the time and they still struggled to score even with short or even almost non-existent fields.

That said, I agree the Ravens thought they were in control: did anyone believe that the Packers were likely to score after the first drive? That is the Hundley effect.

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

Martellus Bennett quit on this team After watching him play and his antics. I don’t want him on this team!

We have serious issues yes but we don’t need MB.

Go pack Go!

jhalwas611.com's picture

I believe todays issues are the result of poor draft and development. Poor coaching, especially special teams. No returns for anything this year,blocked kicks, bad snaps,long returns by opponents. Poor game planning. It's easy to plan for an opponent you see twice per season but not so much for an opponent you rarely see. Lack of accountability from the top down to the players on the field. Look how the players who've left recently are doing.

Coldworld's picture

Without disagreeing that there may be other issues, today was the product of one of the worst individual performances in ages. Nothing anyone else did on the team could materially change the impact of Hundley on today's game for good or bad. It is rare that one player can transcend a team game to such an extent, but Hundley managed it today. I feel sorry for him as an individual, but it is simply the truth. I personally do not think the traits shown today can be overcome. I wish him well in other walks of life.

HankScorpio's picture

Yup. Today was about Hundley. If they had a backup that could play to the level of Matt Flynn, they win today.

Malland56's picture

Did anybody see how bad, and I mean bad, Spriggs was out there. WOW does he suck.

lou's picture

The first 3 plays Sprigg's could not even lay a hand on the defender, he makes Marshall Newhouse look like 'Forrest Gregg. The Packers traded their 2nd pick (57th) and their 4th & 7th picks to move up to a 2nd (48th) for a "swinging gate. Harland tried to excuse him saying he just came off IR but when healthy playing against non starters in the pre-season he looked just like he did today. Too bad Murphy broke his foot, with Bulaga going down he looked like he could be their next solid right tackle going forward and could have used the reps.

stockholder's picture

Spriggs can't play RT. But who says Bahk can't? Spriggs at least will hit someone on the LT side. ?? I think it's worth a try and TT drafted him for LT.

nigrivasilayesrej's picture

Genius! That way the QB can be destroyed on his blindside, when Spriggs completely whiffs on his block.

nigrivasilayesrej's picture

AND in the process we could make the #1 rated left tackle, per PFF, move from the most important position on the Oline. Brilliant!

pacman's picture

Can anyone stand to see the rest of the season without any changes?

Not wasting much more time complaining about Packers. If I had a ticket to the game, I would sell it and hope to break even.

al bundy's picture

I say let's be fair to Hundley. First he led div I in being sacked. Threw a lot of interceptions too not being able to read defenses. 31 count em, 31 GM's did there homework and passed. Ok some did not need a number three guy. Ted took him over other choices.
Lets not blame hundley for being picked up by the pack. They choose him. You get what you get.

It was a lot of pack fans that expected him to be the next coming and a real find. So dont blame him for being what he is.

Bill Atkinson's picture

As bad as Hundley was, it wasn't the worst performance of the day, Peterman of the Bills throw five interceptions in the first half.

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