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Packers Vs. Browns: First Impressions

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Packers Vs. Browns: First Impressions

My initial thoughts during the Packers - Browns game without the benefit of a re-watch.

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Words I never thought I'd Tweet: Jermaine Whitehead picks up the first down on a fake punt.

Seems like the story for Green Bay this season. Great opening drive, just can't keep that same consistency on the following drives.

Josh Gordon, a wide receiver for the 0-12 Cleveland Browns, is essentially shoving it in the Packers' face after scoring his first touchdown in three years by sporting sunglasses on the sideline. That's embarrassing for the defense he just torched.

This game is essentially a battle of which team can shoot themselves in the foot more.

The Packers are currently losing to the Browns, just so you're all aware while you read this. I don't know how this game will turn out, but... Just know they're losing.

Referees are really bailing out the Packers today.

Damarious Randall has probably been the Packers' best safety these last few weeks, and he's a cornerback.

Packers are rolling with short, chippy throws that get the ball out of Hundley's hands fast, as they should be.

Mike McCarthy just looks defeated.

There's a lot of time left, but things are looking bleak for Green Bay. Really bleak. It's hard to see Dom Capers have a job after this game, but he will.

15 minutes separates the Packers from rejoicing in a potential Aaron Rodgers return and packing their season in three weeks early.

Starting to look like Davon House is going to be the next Packers cornerback headed to injured reserve.

It's getting harder and harder to defend peoples' jobs after this game.

Well, that's why Trevor Davis has a roster spot with the Packers. For all of his poor decisions, he shows just what he can do as a return man in spurts. Just a matter of channeling that inconsistent fashion out of a 24-year-old, second-year player.

New contract incoming for Davante Adams.

Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers live to fight another day.

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HankScorpio's picture

Wow, I laughed, I cried. And walked away with a smile.

I don't want to get too carried away with beating the Browns but the result sure beats what was shaping up late in the 3rd.

Nerd's picture

That's a top 10 defense though.

35/46 265 3TD

111.2 QB rating.

I'll take that.

carlos's picture

Slice it any way you want. Cleveland is a professional football team in the NFL. They do have some talent. If they had Aaron Rogers they may even be a playoff team. No matter what it’s a win and give Hundley credit for staying cool through a close game. This will make for a good Monday.

fthisJack's picture

trade him for a 4th rounder.

croatpackfan's picture

5th or 6th is more realistic..

RCPackerFan's picture

Most predicted an ugly win. While it was an ugly win and took till OT to get it, it was a win to keep hope alive.
I wish Hundley would play as well in the first 3 quarters as he does in the 4th quarter!

Say what you want about McCarthy, but man does he have some stones! 5 minutes left with no defense he punts down by 7. Then in OT on 3rd and short he calls the WR screen which goes for a TD.

Also wow was that exciting with the Davis return. That was huge!

Now the rest of the season comes down to a bone scan this week. We will see what happens but winning always feels good! I don’t care who it’s against. I’m going to enjoy this one for another week.

Go Pack Go!

jeremyjjbrown's picture

He did have stones in the game. But he still should have kicked the field goal.

RCPackerFan's picture

Are you talking about the failed 4th Down call? I thought he had a good play call on that one. It was supposed to be a toss to Jones and honestly if he hits it Jones may have had a TD. But Hundley messed up. Both Jones and Hundley admitted it after the game it was supposed to be a toss play.

Nerd's picture

Part of Mike's job is to know that your players won't execute that. Or to prepare them so they will.

RCPackerFan's picture

So he is supposed to know when his players are not going to execute the play that was called?

Blame McCarthy all you want, but that was 100% on Hundley. Both him and Jones admitted it.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

It's possible to call a good play call to execute a poor strategy. To me that's what happened. Always take the points until you really don't have the option.

RCPackerFan's picture

I was good with him being aggressive. I thought he had a good play call they just didn't execute the play call. Or the QB didn't...

I get taking the points. In hindsight it was obviously the smart decision. But that's the easy part is looking at it in hindsight.
That all being said if they do execute it Jones potentially has a TD on it. He had a lot of room to run around the corner.

I thought it was a good play call, his QB just messed up the play.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

It's not about hindsight, it's about following the odds. If you wanted to for some crazy reason you can see my comment on the chat that it was the wrong move. I'm disturbed by McCarthy's lack of game time judgement. For a Head Coach of his tenor to repeatedly flout the odds that should be obvious. It's clear that either the Packers don;t do enough statistical analysis, or Mc just ignores it.

If he kicks the FG the game never goes to OT, and they don't have to get luck Kizer makes an idiotic throw. Also, the decision to throw the ball on the last play of the game was incorrect. After the first possession a FG wins and he should have kicked the FG on 3rd from the 25. Then, if the snap is bad then the holder can just kneel and they get another shot. It' not like the Packers snap and holds have been stellar this year.

dobber's picture

"If he kicks the FG the game never goes to OT, "

I understand your sentiment--and I was calling for the FG, too--but we have no idea how the game goes from that point if they put up 3. Everything changes.

"Also, the decision to throw the ball on the last play of the game was incorrect. After the first possession a FG wins and he should have kicked the FG on 3rd from the 25. "

I thought of it as playing to win. Not a chip shot FG at that point, and that was a play that was really just aiming at a first down. Nice block by Nelson and good individual effort by Adams to get to the locker room.

Has he stopped running, yet?

HankScorpio's picture

"Also, the decision to throw the ball on the last play of the game was incorrect."

So you're saying that McCarthy made a mistake in calling the play that won the game?

I was wondering if they would let Hundley risk a pass after seeing what Kizer had just done. I probably would have run it. I'm glad I can admit that my way is just my way, not the only way. Because what they did worked out great. If I were to debit their decision making for calling the GW play, i might begin to wonder if I've lost the plot of being a Packer fan.

Arthur Jackson's picture

I was yelling at the TV kick it before they were off the ground on third down. You are right because the Packers needed two scores even if they converted and scored a TD. And it was early as hell in the game at that time to be chasing points.

GVPacker's picture

When you're 0-12 you find new ways to lose games every week! The Browns did it again this week thanks so much Hue!

dobber's picture

Browns hope of not going 0-16 rest on beating Baltimore at home next week.

HankScorpio's picture

The Bears can crawl underneath the bar that the Browns set.

fthisJack's picture

browns lost the game at the beginning of the 4th quarter when they decided to let GB get what they wanted underneath with a 3 man rush. drove right down the field and scored. sounds a lot like the way Capers has lost a handful of games for GB. you play that prevent D and it prevents you from winning.

dobber's picture

If this team gave us any hope that they could play some defense against even OK QBs, we could be in the midst of perhaps an epic story.

4thand1's picture

I was wrong, I admit it, thanks Kiser. Who is this #7 on the road? WTF, why is he so turrible at home? Say what you want, we've seen this before. MM seems to get this team to play hard every week no matter what. Looks like everyone's job is safe....................................shit!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

They certainly don't quit on him (other than Martellus Bennett). Even down 14 they played hard.

RCPackerFan's picture

A lot of teams would have given up. These Packers don't.

McCarthy does have his teams playing hard.

Since '61's picture

I've posted for many years that MM is resilient and that is part of his team's character. The Packers have been a very resilient team during MMs tenure.
Thanks, Since '61

fastmoving's picture

I know it was ugly....but you have to come back 2 scores. That was the bright part and thats what football is all about.

rdent's picture

Yup, a win is a win although I am going to rewatch this game. Just off the top of my head, I believe Cleveland gave up at least 3 first downs on penalties on third down.

Bearmeat's Phantom Downvoter's picture

I can't even bring myself to be upset that I was wrong. I remain convinced that not making the playoffs would be the best long-term thing for this team. I do not think that anyone will get fired as long as we make the playoffs. I do not think that our pass defense can stop a nosebleed. I do not think we can rush the passer in any sort of an non embarrassing fashion. And all the wrong teams won already this week, so we haven't moved up in the standings at all after this "win."

But all that said, we have Aaron freaking Rodgers coming back next week. I still think it's likelier than not that we will get crushed in the next two weeks. It was embarrassing that we barely beat a 0 and 12 team. And we would have lost against literally any other NFL team. We were lucky. Again.

But here we are. And I'm a Packer fan. And that was exciting as hell. Go pack go!

cpabandit's picture

I agree with you Bear. Nice to see the Packers win, though they succeeded in embarrassing themselves regardless. A loss would keep AR on the bench and onto the golf course rather than risking getting hurt (again). It could also mean a new Head Coach, Defensive Coach and GM. With other teams wins today, it becomes more unlikely that the Packers make the playoffs. Therefore a loss today may have helped us next season.

fastmoving's picture

with a SEA L the playoff race is actually wide open. there could be easily a 4 way tie, where no one knows who comes out on top.....

fastmoving's picture

when you dont give up and come back and fight to a W against a good D why is this embarrassing?????????????

cpabandit's picture

Well let's see, Cleveland on offense is ranked 21st passing yds per game, 19th rushing yards per game and 25th total yds per game. On defense they are ranked 17th passing yds per game, 6th rushing yards per game and 10th total yds per game. Ranked not so poorly on defense, but the Packers were letting Kizer look like a future HOFer, just like it does every opposing QB (except Cutler).

dobber's picture

"...but the Packers were letting Kizer look like a future HOFer..."

Only in the first half. He threw for all of about 40 yards after halftime.

Crowell did all the damage in the second half.

Bearmeat's Phantom Downvoter's picture

Yeah. Cause that's SOOO much better. Crowell is a "meh" back and their OL is above average, but certainly not Dallas.

Look. Our defense sucks. Injuries or not, there is NO way around that. IF we get to the playoffs (which I doubt), we are going to get shredded.

dobber's picture

I don't think we'll have to wait until the playoffs. I'm guessing Carolina hangs 45+ on them next week.

Bearmeat's Phantom Downvoter's picture

Yep.

CAG123's picture

Carolina lost to the Bears and this team is winning in spite of some terrible football by Cam Newton I’d slow down on that prediction. They haven’t looked like world beaters too often this season besides nice wins against NE and Min they have struggled.

Finwiz's picture

Normally more measured - I'm surprised.
I don't disagree one bit though.
Keep the expectations VERY low for this game, and it won't hurt as much when the defense gets shredded.

Slim11's picture

True statement.

On the scoreboard, Kizer's stats were shown before the interception ending the Browns' last drive of the first half. He was 14/16 with a QBR of 150.5.

GVPacker's picture

Capers yea I would say he would be on the block but McCarthy wouldn't officially fire him he would just announce his retirement. As far as Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson getting the Das Boot, no way! Mark Murphy would never fire Ted T and Ted T wouldn't fire Mike McCarthy! This seasons trouble's will be blamed on a problem the Packers always seem to have= Copious Injuries to key personnel!

Bearmeat's Phantom Downvoter's picture

Ugh. I hate that you're right. But you are.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Capers fate should rest on the results on defense. Which are poor. The can't even beat up the bad or inexperienced QBs he used to pad his stats against anymore.

Bearmeat's Phantom Downvoter's picture

Agreed 100%. Capers HAS to go. But we've been saying that annually since 2012..... Ugh.

dobber's picture

Where's Jay Cutler when you need him?

The TKstinator's picture

Concussed, isn’t he?

UmpireMark's picture

All said and done, at the end of the day, this goes in the books as a win and not a season ending, embarrassing loss.

That said, there's no excuse for the 4th down run in the 3rd quarter instead of taking the 3 points. Totally inexcusable. Poor decision.

Minn disappointed me, playing like schmucks in the only game Green Bay fans will ever cheer for a ViQueen win. Thanks for nothing.

fthisJack's picture

too bad the Pack can run the table but won't get into the playoffs. better off letting Rodgers sit out the last 3. let Hundley see where he can take this football team. maybe some desperate team will give up a draft pick for him.

HankScorpio's picture

"That said, there's no excuse for the 4th down run in the 3rd quarter instead of taking the 3 points. Totally inexcusable. Poor decision."

While I would have taken the points on the FG as well, this is way over the top. It was an ugly play that was poorly executed. But the decision to try on 4th and 1 deep in the opponent's territory is a defensible one.

rdent's picture

I can't share any first impressions from this game at this moment but I can share one observation. Did you notice on that drive, Aaron Rodgers talking with McCarthy during the time out and then stepping out in front of him to give instructions to Hundley?
That showed me who really runs that offense.

RCPackerFan's picture

I think it was more of Rodgers telling Hundley to look for in that situation.

Like, if the CB is set up here, throw it there kind of thing...

To me it showed the leadership Rodgers plays with.

carlos's picture

Good point rdent. I loved it. It must have helped. I don’t think he’d ever do it, but he’d probably be an awesome coach.

rdent's picture

Carlos, I watched the highlights on WBAY sports and had a better look at it. MM was standing in the background with his playsheet in his hands while Rodgers was out there face to face with Hundley talking him up and put a reassuring hand on Hundley's chest. AR looked more like the HC than the HC did.

carlos's picture

I’ll tell you what rdent-nothing like getting advice and some reassurance from one of the best in the business.

The Silent One's picture

When the Browns draft a new QB, or 2, this spring. What kind of pro QB would Kiser become, if he came to GB and got the qb coaching Rodgers did? Didn't he show he can throw?

Bearmeat's Phantom Downvoter's picture

No. He showed that he could throw on our pass defense. Which is a little like you or I bragging about beating the other in a foot race. ;)

Bearmeat's Phantom Downvoter's picture

Sorry. Double post.

Lphill's picture

As bad as the defense has played you have to consider when Rodgers is playing and keeping the offense on the field longer it gives the defense more of a rest as opposed to all the 3 and outs from Hundley during the game . The Packers defense is just playing tired all game .

briank029's picture

Were they tired on Cleveland's opening drive? They are terrible rested or tired. Unfortunately that is the sad truth.

briank029's picture

Were they tired on Cleveland's opening drive? They are terrible rested or tired. Unfortunately that is the sad truth.

stockholder's picture

1st Quarter: Board of directors meeting coming. Fire Capers. Where's the rush? 2nd Quarter: Fire Murphy, ask for TT to resign. 3rd Quarter: Were going to draft a QB No. 1 pick. 4th Quarter. Life is slowly creeping back into this team. Allison is seen. Martinez- Awesome tackles. We do have a secondary. 21-14. This game is going to go to over time. Go Davis Go. The legs are showing off. Go Hundley OT. Yes Mathews, Jones, Adams. Ok= We have Pride in Green Bay Again. Life is Good.

carlos's picture

Amazing what an exciting win can do to our spirits. I guess that’s why we watch these games because you never know what you’re getting into. Heartbroken or pumped it sure gets the heart going. lol

dobber's picture

It's all about the story. Could be setting up for an exciting finish...or it could be essentially all done on Sunday.

Oppy's picture

If the packers lost this game, there would be 150 posts in this thread already.

But they won, so there's 17.

dobber's picture

Oh so true

rdent's picture

Oppy, all is well again until next week when they won't be facing a 0-12 team. LOL.

fastmoving's picture

Pretty sure its easier to play CAR with AR than play a team you only can loose anyway..............

rdent's picture

Fastmoving, I can't speak for you but I haven't heard anything about activating AR off IR next week. MM even said in his presser after the game that he wasn't going to talk about that.

GVPacker's picture

A Rodgers is scheduled to have a series of X Ray's and or MRI to determine if the fractures have significantly healed. This will happen no later than Monday 12-11-17. If the Orthopedic Dr says OK then Dr Pat Mackenzie gives A-Rodgers the thumbs up and he'll be practicing with the boys on Wednesday!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

That actually seems like human nature. I'll make a few observations if that will make you happy.

OL: Pass pro numbers look good, but mostly because BH threw short a lot. Looked like some of our issues were being unprepared for so much movement by Cleveland. Power running wasn't working and we had to spread them out and pull some. Evans and Spriggs lost too many battles today, even Taylor sometimes. That Linsley hold is because he ended up having to block two different players. No way an OC can let a blitzer have a free go right up the middle. Williams showed his worth: if there aren't any holes, he's the back you want in there. Adams looks real good. Nelson's routes take too long for a BH-led offense; question is whether they take too long for an AR-led offense. He needs to move to the slot. Cobb looks, hm, not washed up, but much diminished athletically to me. He seems to play more on savvy rather than athletic ability and his YAC ability is moderate at best. We failed to exploit the Cleveland LB's poor coverage as much as we should have. Kendricks had one beautiful run block to spring a run, but it looked like BH was going to get him killed on a few pass attempts.

Our pass rush looks hopeless. Kizer had all day. Saw Clark get doubled a lot, but that is rather normal. Daniels had some disruptive days. I saw people getting on Randall's case early, unjustly I thought. He was in zone on some of those early completions. Randall made a lot of big plays. I thought Martinez was a bit less decisive with his run reads and tackling. Ryan had some miscues to say the least. CM3 is an average starting OLB who can still make some plays, but we need someone else to step up, particularly with Perry out. Not real clear about what happened in the defensive backfield, particularly after House went out. I was a little distracted by family stuff. Gordon didn't kill us, Coleman didn't hurt us too bad, the Cleveland back did a bit of damage catching out of the backfield. Kizer helped by staring down his receiver helping Dix to make the INT and take at least 3 points off the board.

Gotta go - my son wants to spend my money at Mayfair Mall.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Oh, BH does much better on the road, and much better in hurry up. I would like more RPOs, Honestly, I suspect he overthinks things and would to better with less time to contemplate. Pull the trigger even if it means some boo-boos. He does seem to do well in crunch time, something that I don't think you can teach.

Oppy's picture

Hundley seems to have performance anxiety at home.

Maybe it has to do with fans booing him, or perhaps it is furthered by Rodgers recounting the crap he took from the so-called "best fans in all of football" when he was a first year starting QB.

He's definitely two different guys home vs. away so far.

Oppy's picture

I miss the stream that used to run through Mayfair.

Dave in Texas's picture

Do they still have the ice skating rink? I have some teenage memories hanging out with a friend who worked there.

RCPackerFan's picture

Funny how that works isn't it.

Last week was actually really nice after they won. Not much hostility and the word 'Homers' was used a lot less.

Hopefully we can get another week off of the "Non Koolaid drinking Homers".

dobber's picture

"Hopefully we can get another week off of the "Non Koolaid drinking Homers"."

OH, YEAHHH!!!

Bearmeat's Phantom Downvoter's picture

LOL. +1 dobber.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Ah, the Anti-Koolaid Cabal has been out in force and ruffling feathers! A few astringent observations from the loyal opposition just offsets the bromides of the Tories. Both are useful if delivered not as sweeping generalizations but with some specificity and evidence.

dobber's picture

Taryn, did you hack TGR's account?

Packer Fan's picture

They barely beat a losing team. But they did. Let's see if Aaron comes back. Should we start calling them the cardiac kids? You have to give the defense credit for making the final two stops of the game and getting the INT to set up the overtime score.

Flow49's picture

Credit to MM for not throwing the challenge flag on the DeVale catch. Without that challenge we most likely don’t pull this game out.

croatpackfan's picture

"Credit to MM for not throwing the challenge flag on the DeVale catch. Without that challenge we most likely don’t pull this game out."

So, did he or he did not throw the challange flag?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

He didn't throw it earlier (when he would have lost and it would have been our last challenge). MM saved it for the pass Cleveland's TE dropped which otherwise was good for a first down. Credit to MM.

Dave in Texas's picture

Very much agree. M3 directed a very good 4th quarter and OT.

Colin_C's picture

As ugly as this was, I'm still very, very happy we're not the team to make the Browns 1-15. I turned the TV off with a smile, and that's about all I can ask for at this point. Oh, and pay Davante please. Don't really care who we have at WR next season as long as he's part of that group.

GVPacker's picture

No such thing as an ugly win on the road with A Rod on the sidelines watching and hoping for a reason to play next week! This was a Bizzaro World win for the Packers!

carlos's picture

Exactly Colin. You are dead on.

Oppy's picture

35 of 46 (76%) for 3 TDs, 0 INT

It's official, Hundley is jeckel and hyde, home vs. away.

Flow49's picture

I may be mistaken but I feel like I saw Randall moving with Gordon after the first TD. After that we didn’t hear Gordon’s name called much.

dobber's picture

Could be....Kizer had about 170 yards at halftime. That means only 45 in the second half.

markf59's picture

Capers and his entire staff need to go. Week in and week out he makes mediocre QB’s look like All Pro’s. I am glad our team pulled this one out, but let’s get real people, the team we beat offensively is terrible. Go Pack Go.

dobber's picture

You can only beat the teams on your schedule, and unless you get deep into tiebreaks, margin of victory means nothing.

I agree: the defense is offensive and desperately needs change, but revel in a win for another week...until Carolina hangs 45 on them next week.

GBPackerBacker12's picture

First off, I am happy to have pulled that win off. It would've been embarrassing to be the team that let the Browns get their first win of the season (with or without Rodgers, we should still be able to beat them).

As banged up as our secondary is, I don't think there is ever a game where I have walked away saying "our defense looked good," or where I have ever felt that we could have stopped the opponent at any given time. Going against Kizer, who would be the most likely to make our defense look at least decent, we still looked beyond poor.

I am new to posting on this blog, but I would be the conductor of the FIRE CAPERS train. After 7 or so years of just beyond terrible defense, wouldn't it be wise to make a change. After all, it can't get any worse, can it? We just need to try something different. It clearly has never worked out since we won the Super Bowl, and it seems to be only getting worse.

On a positive note, we still have a chance at making the playoffs. I am not a believer in "tanking" to get a better draft pick, as anything can happen once the playoffs begin. With that being said, I would only return Aaron if the scans tomorrow are 100% for him being able to sustain a hit.

Colin_C's picture

Welcome to the site! At this point, you can probably count on one hand the number of people that think Dom should still have his job. I was listening to the postgame radio a bit, and one of the guys (not sure who), said he's talked to some of the players who said they're frustrated that they are not allowed to play more physical. So even the players are fed up with the scheme it would seem.

GVPacker's picture

The Defense looked good playing the Sechickens at Lambeau in the season opener!

rdent's picture

GVPacker, but looked awful against Atlanta, Dallas, Detroit....

GVPacker's picture

True rdent but I was just trying to point out that they had at least one good outing this season, but it seems like such a long time ago!

HankScorpio's picture

"Going against Kizer, who would be the most likely to make our defense look at least decent, we still looked beyond poor."

The defense was not "beyond poor" unless you meant beyond poor moving toward good. Kizer did play his best game of the year (at least according to the broadcasters). His completion %, QB rating and TDs thrown were good for him and bad for the Packers. But that was only 215 yards and included 2 picks, one of which set up the Packers for an easy final drive win.

They allowed 21 total and nothing on 3 drives in the 4th Q or OT.

I won't say that is exactly good, especially considering Cleveland does not have a good offense at all. But it on the correct side of "poor". All in all, it was 2 below average units battling it out. Both sides had their moments. The Packers defense had their moments when it counted.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I am on the fire everyone train, but I always seem to have some sympathy for Capers. At least I think I can generally make a good argument in his defense. Lets see: he is blessed with one off the ball OLB who can produce pressure sometimes but not on a consistent basis in CM3. Another in Brooks who sets a nice edge and can provide some push and general nasty when his back isn't aching. Another who is out for the game. Then he has Fackrell and Biegel. He has an ILB who can't get home on the blitz. Actually, all three ILBs have that same problem to varying degrees.

So how to produce pressure and influence the QB negatively? So how? So, I am reviewing the situation: how do the packers get pressure without any sackers? So how?

If you can't, send 3 or 4 guys with good motors and lay back in coverage, hoping to take advantage of a rookie QB. Play more zone so your DBs can see the QB and take better advantage of any miscues. To win, you've got to pick a pass or two. When I see, Deshone Kizer, he has to be, the equalizer.

What happens when you have no corners? You ask for help but get none from the free agency scorner. Your number one is out and was up and down anyway. Your number two is sucking it up just to play. Your number 2a is better in the slot. Your cover ILB ain't no Watt. Your number 3, a safety, isn't as good there as 2a. Your number 4 is a UDFA as is your number 5 who is a rookie to boot. Maybe your number 3 and/or 5 safety can play corner, number 4 having played himself off the field, but the problem seems acute. Your one consolation is that your rookie hybrid should be most adjustable, but he is also extremely unpredictable and combustible.

Can a DC remain a DC all his life? Even if his deficiencies are obvious and rife? Maybe so, if it's in Green Bay, where the position is for life. It is a sincure, de facto, if not de jure.

The Tories have to throw Capers under the bus. Practically everyone was concerned about personnel deficiencies at CB and OLB back in February. TT probably couldn't fix both in a single offseason short of buying one and hitting big on the other in the draft, and he ended up not fixing either, at least for the short term. TT sent his DC out with, if not no clothes, just tatters, because that's all TT thought we could afford. What future, what matters, DC and TT have their bed and board. Geez, I am moving on to a third song. Anyway, the defense for Capers involves personnel deficiencies, and these must be denied or obfuscated because otherwise the blame points directly at the reigning monarch.

[Okay, so I had family over, watched a fair amount of the game in the kitchen on a 13" TV, which makes watching line play and DBs rather more difficult, when I was able to even see the plays, much less the replays. Then we put Oliver on for the kids later. I admit to some dramatic license above (yes, TT signed several FAs this year, but I can't have facts getting completely in the way of the lyrics, um narrative, and I'm sure the coaches work hard), and I admit to some whimsy. So, sue me. But the defense did enough. Maybe just enough, but they allowed the offense to mount a great and very satisfying come from behind effort.]

Tarynfor12's picture

And it continues....until we hear the last shot.

http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cbl63E2GTr

RCPackerFan's picture

just curious. Why not just enjoy a win?

Tarynfor12's picture

I did....why should I have to change my view of the end result. Is it nice we beat the Browns,yes. Does it keep the mathematics alive for another week,yes. My video is what is rings true for me even if my heart, like many fans want it to not be.

If this team gets to the SB, I'll be first here to scream I was wrong but until that happens, I'll keep believing it what I have suspected from the seasons start and then more so when Rodgers went down....playoffs was likely but an early exit was more likely regardless of QB......defense is a ' Killer '.

Oppy's picture

If the Packers get to the super bowl, then and only then will you be wrong?

Wow, must be nice to have that kind of cushion.

Really put yourself out there on that one.

Tarynfor12's picture

Said it from the start of the season....I kind of mentioned that so I've been out on that limb a long time.

RCPackerFan's picture

You don't have to change your viewpoint of anything. My point is why not enjoy anything positive along the way? This was a great comeback win. Enjoy it for what it is. Does it mean we are going to the Super Bowl. No. But it was an exciting end to a game.

The only way this team has a chance at the Super Bowl is if Rodgers comes back. And right now who knows if that will happen.

So again. Why not enjoy each win when we can.

Tarynfor12's picture

Again...I do enjoy the wins when we can.
Now another for your enjoyment.

http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cblXVr2GxR

rdent's picture

RC, I see your point and a win is a win but even without AR the last two wins, not a lot to hang your hat on. But on the bright side it took a late FG for the Lions to beat Tampa Bay.

HankScorpio's picture

I used to only care about the end game. Everything but the SB was meaningless noise. Every roster flaw was the end of the world. Mistakes were the focus. A few years back, I realized I was missing out on one heck of a lot of fun along the way.

Take last year for example. With the CB injuries, it was an amazing run just to make the playoffs. And then Rodgers dragged them halfway home. That game in Dallas is something I'll remember for a long time. 2 50+ FGs from Crosby and that amazing rope of a throw to Cook! I don't care that everything caught up with them the next week and they got blown out. I didn't even expect a playoff appearance earlier in the year so it was playing with "house money" by that time.

dobber's picture

Life is all about the ride. Getting to your destination is awesome, but having a fun ride means a lot, too.

Zachary Jacobson's picture

The (possible) final road splits for Brett Hundley: 71.1%, 240.6 YP/G, 7 TDs, 0 INTs, 118.7 rating. Recorded a passer rating above 110.0 in all three road starts.

Norm's picture

So IF we make the playoffs, all games would be road games, and MM would be stupid not to start Hundley over Rodgers!

We would be playing Chicago, Tampa Bay and Cleveland in the playoffs, right?

Oppy's picture

You forgot about the Steelers.

The Packers could play them in the Super bowl.

Randy James's picture

Long time reader, first time poster. I totally agree Zachary. I do see good signs with this Defense though. They are Daniels,Clark, Lowry, Martinez, even Ryan, Matthews getting to the QB of late. The DL has been around the ball constantly. We even found out Josh Jones can cover. It's not over til the fat guy sings and I am not ready to sing...later

dobber's picture

Welcome, Randy!

GVPacker's picture

"Fat Guy Sings" is that a swipe at Mike McCarthy and his waistline.....LOL!

egbertsouse's picture

"Winners find a way to win and losers find a way to lose." The Browns found about 5 different ways to lose. How does Hue Jackson have a job? He was badly outcoached by Mike McCarthy for heaven's sake. And the Browns' defensive coordinator makes Dom Capers look like Buddy Ryan. Hey Gregg, here's a tip. When it's 4th and 1, you can't have your DBs playing 7 yards off the receivers. C'mon man!

Wow! And I thought that last week's game was bad!

pooch's picture

What are you smoking?

fastmoving's picture

Buddy Ryan (1 lucky season) was a looser just like his sons........even Capers was better.....

4thand1's picture

It could be worse folks, we're not Browns fans.

NWPackersfan's picture

Good Win for the Pack...
Now for the bad news they just beat a 0-12 team in OT.
Yes the Browns have a really good defense so there's the plus side but our defense is terrible. If it weren't for the Browns horrific offense we would have probably lost today.
I see little reason to bring AR back just to play 3 really tough games that he will be the sole responsible player for winning if we can win.
Throwing him to Panthers first then Lions and finally the Vikings just for the slim to no chance of making the playoffs makes NO sense to me. He could get pretty beat up back there too. Not worth the risk We have next season and hopefully some great draft picks.
Let Hundley continue to develop and see if he's worthy of a backup contract for next year.
Just my thoughts.

fastmoving's picture

again......SEA just loose....if we win out....wide open..........same risk like always for AR.....this is football.......not tennis or something

just my thoughts

dobber's picture

Hundley's got one year left on his rookie deal for next season. As bad as he's been at times, I think he'll be back next fall.

rdent's picture

All things considered I think Hundley has shown improvement.

Crackerpacker's picture

Run Davante Run

Finwiz's picture

How about that Hundley? Boy did he prove me wrong today. He had to play well due to Clevelands ability to stop the run, and he did when it mattered. He still missed some open receivers, and his touch is lacking, but he has the short game down.

Clearly Devonte is now the best Packer receiver, and I wonder if Jordy is hurt again?

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Jordy and aaron wiil ge on the same page next week

Rossonero's picture

Thrilled with the win. I'm still worried about the defense though. Kizer had an NFL worst 52% completion % and leads the league in giveaways.

And he had 71% completion % today.

This team showed true grit. My hat is off to the coaching staff for making the necessary adjustments....however, the defense needs to get healthier and play better or else Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford and Case Keenum will cut us to ribbons.

Let's hope Rodgers will come back and see where the chips will fall.

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

We witnessed why they are 0-13. They played scared and had a losers mentality. They had us down and let us climb back in. A few lucky no calls went out way. They looked like the bad news bears out there.

Maybe the stars are aligning for us??

rdent's picture

Cleveland showed today why they were 0-12 now 0-13.

lou's picture

Before home games lets have Hundley spend the night in Milwaukee and then fly him to Green Bay early in the morning to make it feel like a road game. His home and road stat splits look like a Colorado Rockies home and away ERA split for their pitching staff. Additional positives were no special team penalties (what a killer that would have been on the over time punt return), passing for the TD to tie and passing for the TD when everyone was expecting just to set up for a field goal, when was the last time we saw that (about as much as the fake punt run for a first down). Comments on "not quitting" this year and last year sealed McCarthy's off season contract extension which some bloggers will oppose, In any major league sport that is the toughest thing a coach has to do.

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

Seachickes just loss!!

Flow49's picture

And threw a temper tantrum in the process

RCPackerFan's picture

ha. I didn't see that. can't wait to see it.

There is one of the losses we needed.

Fordham Ram's picture

He saved his best for last, I'll give the kid some credit. He got us to 7 and 6, right where we needed to be. The team still has some magic, now onward and forward with Aaron Rodgers. Go Pack Go

Since '61's picture

Once again Hundley plays well on the road. Our defense looked poor against an 0-12 team but they did make stops in the 4th Q and in OT which allowed the Packers to get back in the game and score 20 unanswered points to win the game.

It should have never gone to OT against a winless team but this is where we are without AR. A win is a win and this was as ugly as a win can get, I think. Thanks, Since '61

rdent's picture

Since '61, it wasn't pretty that's for sure and if it weren't for that punt return....hmmm.

Since '61's picture

rdent - the punt return was huge but the Packers moved the ball pretty well during the 2nd half. Even on the 3rd Q drive where Hundley blew it on the 4th down play they would have scored if not for Hundley's miscue.

Even though it was against the Browns it was good to see Trevor Davis finally make a good return in a big spot in a game. The Viqueens losing to Carolina hurts though because even if we beat them next week we don't control our destiny unless they lose again. Thanks, Since '61

cpabandit's picture

It's interesting that Eddie Lacy was inactive for Seattle today. This is the second time this season. Each time it saved Seattle $62,500 in bonus money. They have referred Lacy as "the drive killer".

rdent's picture

cpabandit, with the emergence of Williams and Jones GB does not miss Lacy or Starks.

HankScorpio's picture

From the start, Lacy looked like the kind of back that might not be productive on his 2nd contract. He's a big bruising workhorse. Those are the kinds of back that drive the conventional wisdom that RBs have short shelf lives.

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

If we win out and Seattle loses 1, and either Carolina loses 1 of last 2 or Falcons lose 2 of last 3 we would be in .

HankScorpio's picture

I think the help will come if they help themselves. Even with Rodgers, it will be tough to win the last 3. And we really don't know if he'll be cleared, yet. But if they do, I think the rest will take care of itself.

The week 17 game of Cal @ Atl ensures a loss for one of them. Atlanta has a game @ NO on the schedule, too. That's a really big game in the "Packers win out" scenario. If NO wins, it makes the wk 17 Car-Atl game irrelevant to the Packers. Even a tie would not get both in.

Seattle has LA Rams, @ Dal and Az on their schedule. I like their chances to drop 1 of those 3.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

BH might have been fortunate in the quality of some of our opponents, but the bottom line is he allowed or helped or didn't sabotage our team's ability to go 3-5 while AR was sidelined. That is all I ask of a back-up QB.

Previously, I wrote that BH had already failed because it looked like we might win just one game. I have to retract that statement and the sentiment behind it. [Well, most of the sentiment behind it!]

Qoojo's picture

It was a good win. I think many thought this should be an easy game because the browns are winless, but the browns have played many teams tough. The problem is that the browns eventually commit critical errors and lose the game.

Packers played about like they have the past few weeks without Rodgers. The only question was if we would see the hundley that played at Pitt. The defense still had issues getting off the field, but still got some stops at end of the game and in OT. Offense performed when needed most after a couple big plays for good field position.

It seems like most games this year, packers actually got worse due to more injuries. Two years in a row the db situation is dire. Randall is turning into a player for sure. Hopefully, next year King, Randall, and the next guy can stay healthy.

4thand1's picture

Carson Wentz done for the year, acl. How did the Eagles keep Nick Foles? 3 really tough games left, how inspired will this team be if AR plays against the Panthers. They should be sky high. It'll be fun, lotta football left.

dobber's picture

The NFC is wide open this year.

Tundraboy's picture

Well at least they are making things somewhat interesting, for now anyway. Enjoy the win but this D against Carolina could get ugly. Nonetheless, much rather pull out a win dramatically than cough up a lead and squeak out a win.
Experience will make certain players better for it. Coaches not so much.

croatpackfan's picture

I will say this. I still respect Dom Capers football knowledge and his ability to make some form of D with back ups of back ups, but if I was at his place after this game, I would offer the resignation.

To many times I, with lack of football knowledge, clearly saw which throw will be made or when the run is obvious, but players DC coaches and preparing did not see. How is that possible?

Either players are playing against him (they want change of person at the position), or they were purely unprepared...

That is what I felt during and after the game...

Also, I was praying for QB change. I really wanted Joe Callahan there, because Brett Hundley tried many times to make playes they were obviously not called...

dobber's picture

I've been reluctant to side with the 'play Callahan' crowd, but I was leading the charge yesterday at halftime.

I'll be glad to admit I was wrong and, if that's BHs last start this season, hope he walks off the field on a high note and can build from it. He's gotten kicked around and I feel better for the kid now that he's won a couple.

croatpackfan's picture

I said that because it was obvious that BH was calling his own plays. THe most obvious was on 4 and 1 at goal line.

I have no doubt that BH is better than Joe, but in game that important you should (have to) follow plan, if not, sit on the bench.

I think BH is not NFL quality, because he can not follow speed of the game...

But what I know,

CAG123's picture

The results of this season should hold no barring on Capers keeping his job, the game has just clearly passed him on the Packers need a fresh defensive mind no more silly gadgety packages. I can’t even tell you what a Capers defense does anymore there was a point when they were known for getting after the quarterbacks with disguised blitzes and forcing TO those days seem long gone. There is a reason sooo many Packers DB’s find success elsewhere and it’s because the Packers aren’t getting the most out of their players and not playing to their strengths right now we have 3 guys that excel more at press coverage so what do we do? Oh let’s make them play zone! Now the Packers find themselves in a tough situation because not many DCs leave to become DCs elsewhere they leave to become head coaches.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I didn't give the dislike, but again I can make the case for Capers, at least against Cleveland. Kizer is infamous for making several errant throws per game. It is easier for DBs to see the errant throw earlier if they are facing the QB in a zone. While his players may feel that they play press better, that doesn't mean they play press man well enough to actually cover Gordon and Coleman. (Looks like Randall can.) We know they suck in zone, after all, so what are they going to say?

That said, I want Capers fired. It wasn't working and the zone coupled with no pass rush made Kizer look good. The adjustment came way too slowly (an argument that can be applied to MM as well). He's used the soft zone against QBs who don't throw errant throws. We still have trouble with screens, third down efficiency, and confusion just lining up. He and his position coaches have messed up Dix and done nothing with Josh Jones or Brice. Not firing Capers and Zook at least a year ago is a sizable part of my argument for firing MM, which in turn is a smaller part of my desire to see the last of TT.

Other DBs have done better boils down to Hayward. I think everyone knew Hyde's best position was FS, but he wasn't moving Dix or Burnett for that matter. GB tried Hayward in zone and man. He did well in zone, but in man it looked like his trail technique was following bread crumbs. I think you're right that there is something amiss there with Hayward, but it might have been Hayward himself and his frustration at not being able to beat out Randall and then Hyde.

slicknic007's picture

I was at the game and came away with some of my own first impressions:
-Jamaal Williams is your up-the-gut back Mike. Not Aaron Jones.
-Zone coverages in the red zone against a rookie QB should never happen.
-Tackling for the Packers on Special Teams needs looked at. There were a lot of missed tackles on kick and punt returns.
-Browns fans were upset that Gordon tripped over House and didn't get rewarded with a flag. Then followed up their cries for a flag with, "I'm glad he's injured.", "Cart him off and get him out of our stadium.", along with some other phrases less suitable for repeating. Stay classy Cleveland.
-The Browns defense was the Packers 12th man today. We got a lot of help from those penalties.
-On a more personal note, watching a Packers win in person, in overtime, from the endzone where the final 3 Packers touchdowns occurred was AMAZING. It will be a memory that I will forever cherish. Go Pack Go!!!!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Great reason not to tank. It is cheating the fan.

Chuck Farley's picture

WHich team were you refering to tanking? I could have sworn at times the Browns looked like it. I mean you kick then the ball and there d guy head butts our guy right in front of the ref giving the ball back to the pack. Then I realized the Browns drafted a team full of morons. They guys are stupider then pet rocks.

Slim11's picture

I was also at the game and mostly agree with your observations.

-The Packers also got breaks on penalties and plays with no penalties called. I remember three. The Gordon-House play was one and a decent non-call.

-Jordy Nelson was targeted a few more times than in past games. I think that may have opened up some things for Cobb, Adams and Allison.

-Walking into the stadium with my friend and his grandson, we all agreed there may be more Packers fans in attendance than Browns fans.

slicknic007's picture

I agree with all of your observations as well. The Gordon-House call was a correct no call in my opinion because House went down well before Gordon got there. It was unintentional that House went down and required a cart to get him off the field. If the teams were reversed and our receiver tripped over their guy, I would still agree with the no call.

Walking into the stadium and seeing all the Packers fans was definitely nice to see. It didn't surprise me as much since I saw nearly as many Packers fans down in Cincinnati 4 years ago. The Pack travels well and it feels good to have fellow fans around you regardless of where you are in the stadium. Also, I could be wrong, but I swear I was in line to get in the stadium behind Aaron Jones' parents based off pictures I have seen of them.

4zone's picture

Today the guys showed grit and made some plays when they needed to. At the end of the day, all that matters is they won the game. I highly doubt we make the playoffs, but at least it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I don't think Atlanta will lose 2 out of 3 which I think needs to happen for us to get in. But for now, we have a tough one on the road next week and that's all we can do is beat the Panthers and see what everyone else does.

Chuck Farley's picture

1. Hundley did one smart thing he noticed McCourtnes couldnt cover a fly with fly paper and used , smartley, Adams to save his skin over and over again.
2. Not having seen the Browns, they need a hell of a lot more then a QB. the team plays pass d very similar to GB, playing off and giving receivers a ton of room.
3. Wondered where all those number one defensive line picks were for the Browns. GB did a fine job giving Hundley time to pass.
4. Browns looked seriously out of shape like they never practice.
5. Last how they did not fire that jerk of a coach is beyond me. He was lambasting his own QB a young guy who needs instruction (some brains too) and did nothing to his defensive guys who fd it up all day.
Good job pack never giving up.

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