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Packers Select Josh Jackson In 2018 NFL Draft, Round Two

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Packers Select Josh Jackson In 2018 NFL Draft, Round Two

 

With their second-round pick (45th overall) in the 2018 NFL draft, the Green Bay Packers select Josh Jackson, Iowa.

MEASURABLES / COMBINE: 

6'1" 192 lbs, 4.56 40yd, 38″ vertical, 123″ broad jump, 18 Bench Reps, 6.86 3-Cone, 4.03 20-yard shuttle

CAREER NOTES: 

Last year, in Jackson's only year starting at corner, he defened 27 passes and had seven interceptions. Those numbers propelled him to being named the Big Ten Tatum-Woodson Defensive Back Of The Year. That's a huge leap from 2016 when Jackson made one start and only had 10 tackles. 

NFL.COM Draft Profile 

SCOUTING REPORT:

DRAFTSCOUT.COM: A one-year ball-hawk that was ranked No. 4 out of 206 cornerbacks. He was projected to go in the first round. 

CHEESEHEADTV.COM: Not a scouting report, but click the link for a piece posted about Jackson. 

COMMENTARY:

Jackson was one the top corners in the draft because of his amazing ball-hawking skills. Don't be scared by his limited sample size. The reason he had limited time in 2016 was because a certain corner named Desmond King stole the show in Iowa City. 

Jackson is solid. He's big enough to stick and stay with tight ends and will be force in the run game. The one trouble area with him could be against crafty receivers that give him a double move. Many scouts didn't think he showed enough tape agaisnt top wideouts — which is likely why he fell to the second round. 

This pick is outstanding. He is a first round talent and the Packers got major value by getting him in the second round. Another coup for Brian Gutekunst. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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The TKstinator's picture

He and Jaire make a nice yin yang pair.

GBPDAN1's picture

Our secondary is now a strength and so is our D-line. Perry and Clay need to stay healthy.

Oppy's picture

And/or Beigel and Fackrell need to take a step/step up

worztik's picture

Can we state the obvious???

Oppy's picture

I'll give it a try: You recklessly over use punctuation.

worztik's picture

It’s my thang!!!

Finwiz's picture

About the only place Fackrell has a chance of stepping to is the waiver wire.

A Step up......paaa-lease.

Chuck Farley's picture

You mean finally

John Kirk's picture

Did you feel the same after Randall Rollins? There's a reason Josh Jackson slid. Did you feel this way about our DL when Jerel Worthy was there for us in Round 2? How it looks tonight might be very very different than the way you perceive it in a few months. In my case, I hope that's true, because it looks pretty brutal to me.

I think I preferred Ted making the decisions. All this hope it would be better and this is the start? An oft injured smallish guy and the sliding one year wonder who only looked good because he faced guys who'll be lucky to get camp invites as UDFA's in a few years.

worztik's picture

John, your always such a positive breath of fresh air... like right after the liquid cow manure is sprayed on the farm fields in America’s Dairyland!!! ;~€)

John Kirk's picture

Only when called for, and it's been called for.

Oppy's picture

Define "Oft-Injured" for a football player?

The TKstinator's picture

Nice to know there’s no shortage of poopy flavored lollipops.

Chuck Farley's picture

Sorry, Kirk, had to make sure I wasn't reading my post. This is a horrid draft. Why do fans have this crazy idea the best corners are hovering in the end of round one and middle of two.
Ted took king, everyone lauded him. King had two major surgeries on his shoulders and missed big parts of two seasons. Ditto last year,.
Why this team refuses to trade picks, move up and draft at least one blue chip is mind boggling.

Nick Perry's picture

Don't forget Kevin King and even Josh Jones. The Packers are building a hell of a nice secondary.

Tom Brunhart's picture

Yes yes yes. Absolutely loved this pick. The man not only is he a top talent... but now if you looked at his face during his ESPN post interview: has a BIG, BIG, chip on his shoulder. Reminds me of someone else who had a chip on his shoulder..... barring injuries this is a very exciting backfield. Now... Cinche, Fumagali, and a healthy Bieglel... with ONE outstanding lineman and this team could be “special” ...Enjoy the season.. Go Pack!!!

worztik's picture

Yes they are!!!!

Chuck Farley's picture

Really? How many more major shoulder surgeries do you think king gets before its career ending time. He has had three now.

carlos's picture

They became friends throughout the draft process. Jackson loves to study film so foresee good things under the watchful eye of Tramon for these young men. Good job Gute.

Nick Perry's picture

That's one thing I think many people including myself need to keep in mind. Having Tramon Williams there to help teach these kids is huge IMO. Williams got to learn while playing with one of the best ever in Woodson and now is in a position to help King, Alexander, and Jackson get better. THIS was exactly why I liked the signing of Williams so much. Not only can he still play, but having Williams is like having another CB coach who does things right.

PAPackerbacker's picture

Well said Mr. Perry. I couldn't agree with you more. Tramon Williams can still play, and play well. And his experience will prove to be a huge asset, both to the Packers and the rookie CB's. Go Pack Go

holmesmd's picture

Great value and need at #45. Our Secondary improved considerably over the past 2 days!

dobber's picture

I agree on value but, man, I would've liked to have seen a pass-catcher or an edge guy at this point.

The answer to the question of how Gutekunst plans to fix the pass defense is: Mo Wilkerson, good health, and a lot of CBs.

IN EDIT: aaaand Anthony Miller goes to the Bears just a few picks later. Yet another Dobber draft crush...gone.

Nick Perry's picture

F##K!!!! I LOVE Miller. The Packers need to get another pick or two today using some of those 11 picks they have tomorrow.

St. Brown, Washington, Gallup, or Desean Hamilton still there.

CJ Bauckham's picture

Me too. Really wanted Goedert. Maybe Carter. It hurts how many high picks have gone into the secondary now.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Some things don't change: GB's GM crushing another one of my draft crushes.

Chuck Farley's picture

One analyst quipped, another wasted draft for the packers, again trying to fix a poor pass defense. Ya not drafting anything but pass d for year what.?

worztik's picture

We all forget about Rocky and Montravious...

Finwiz's picture

I think most people underestimated how REALLY bad the CB play was last year. It was PATHETICALLY bad.

Their best CB was Randall, and he was a locker room cancer, so they had to dump him. That left them with NOBODY!

Tom Brunhart's picture

The d backfield was utterly frustrating to watch last year, making, the same mistakes over and over and over and over.... King, Jones, Jackson,Alexander, Williams, as a Corp backfield will frustrate a lot of QBS AND, receivers this year. The laughing of the Keystone Cops ends today!!!!! GO PACKERS!!!

Bure9620's picture

There are simply no Edge guys worth it at the stage of the draft, glad we didnt reach

HankScorpio's picture

I think there was pass rushers worth it at 45. Pass catchers, too. Maybe an OL. I certainly think the Packers can use some help at all those spots.

But I'm good with grabbing the value pick in doubling up on CB. It is never the wrong choice to pick the best player, IMO. And I've seen too much of guys like Josh Hawkins and LaDarius Gunter lately.

Bure9620's picture

There are simply no Edge guys worth it at the syage of the draft, glad we didnt reach

NJMagic's picture

And of course he went to Chicago too. Really thought Miller had a chance to be to Greg Jennings v2. Now he will go to waste on the Bears and never develop. Rough loss for the pack and for him...

But I love love love what Guy is doing this draft. Both of these Corners have me really excited to see what Pettine can do with them.

Chuck Farley's picture

Well see. The one pick is going to get his bell rung early and often and spend a lot of time on the bench.

CJ Bauckham's picture

Brian: (turns to Ted). "This is how you draft corners, old man"

Archie's picture

Both picks came at TT's urging.

chugwater's picture

Please send links.

Nick Perry's picture

Yup...Because Ted F###ed it so so badly in 2015 the position needed to be totally restocked.

The TKstinator's picture

But can he do a Wolf: 3 straight?
Antuan Edwards
Fred Vinson
Mike McKenzie

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Would that include flipping Jaire for the next Ahman Green?

worztik's picture

We sent Vinson to Seattle and McKenzie was the only real prize!!!

Curry Rambeau's picture

Let’s get these guys ready. Competition and a defensive attitude change plus new coach. Go Pack Go!

HankScorpio's picture

Having to fight hard for snaps at CB would be a welcome change. They have been handed out by default too much lately. There is no doubt in my mind that a weak group of CBs is the only reason Randall survived the incident vs Chicago last season.

kevgk's picture

Gonna have tons of value in zone packages, where the packers didnt have a good zone guy the last couple years even though dom kept doing zone blitzes. Gonna have a damn good secondary now, and they don't have to pay anybody for years!

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Yeah, I guess they will play zone. Pettine has not been a big zone guy, but maybe either he wants to do it some or they think Josh can be coached to play man.

Oppy's picture

Alexander is a man cover DB, King can play man as well I think.
I don't know about Jackson, I've read he's more a zone guy, but who knows.

Then there's House who is a press-man specialist, and Tramon Williams is a great man cover corner as well.

I don't see why we can't play as much man cover as we want.

worztik's picture

Why don’t you call Brian and give him your suggestions? I’m sure he’s waiting with baited breath!!!

Oppy's picture

1) I'm not demanding the Packers do anything, I'm responding to another fellow poster who stated an his opinion that the Packers current CB's aren't suited to play as much man coverage as the new DC usually likes.

2) BG doesn't define the defensive scheme, or call the plays, and I'm not demanding personnel changes... sooo.....

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Just to clarify, I think they are all suited for man, except Jackson. So maybe they will throw in some zones. or think that Jackson can be coached up in press man. The 2nd round is a great place to take a chance on a guy with 1st round talent who may be miscast a bit in your scheme.

bbarryirish's picture

Yeah baby!
TWO of the top four CBs.
Go Gute!
Wilkerson, Biegel, Adams, added up front.
It's a new D...
(Watch for Dez - one year prove it!)
Cinchy at 101
GO PACK GO!!

dobber's picture

With his injury issues I think they could get Cichy much later than 101.

worztik's picture

No Dez... he’s a DIVA!!!! And a pimp!!!!

JonnieB12's picture

There is no way they sign Dez bryant.

carlos's picture

Not after the Bennett fiasco.

Ryan Graham's picture

What is a Cinchy?

chugwater's picture

Jack Cichy. LB. Wisconsin. Injury issues, but great player. Had 3 sacks in a row vs USC. Known as “Three Sack Jack,”

https://youtu.be/FTirt1ZQFI4

worztik's picture

Hey, that rhymes!!!

Ryan Graham's picture

chugwater I'm aware I was just being a smartass. I really like Cichy and hope he can stay healthy wherever he lands, maybe it is Green Bay I'd like that move in the 5th ot 6th round.

chugwater's picture

Ah. Got it.

I’m with you hoping to take a chance in late rounds.

packerfan9507's picture

Great value pick.

I said before I like Jackson but just not in the first so this is potentially a steal. You can't have too many good corners.

The remainder of the CB class are going quickly, so it looks like Gute prioritized remaining top CB talent over EDGE and the offense.

It'll be interesting to see how the rest of the day pans out.

steven10825's picture

King,jackson on the outside.... Alexander ball hawking the middle..... Williams and house as depth..... Our secondary potentially ridiculous.

worztik's picture

Good draft!!! We can all go home now and save our picks until next year!!!!

Finwiz's picture

Oh yeah, that's right, we were all good with House and Williams in the fold. No chance they were drafting any CB's.

I told you ALL that Williams and particularly House, were just CHEAP insurance. Now they are clearly set, and all done with CB's.

HankScorpio's picture

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for stating what was patently obvious.

Finwiz's picture

LMAO....yeah right, hindsite is always 20/20 after the fact.

Last week you were saying, along with about 10 others, they were taking Harold Landry. Next time state an opinion before it happens.

My arms broke, but I don't care. LOL

HankScorpio's picture

Your memory is broke, too.

There were not a whole lot of people that didn't want to add a CB or 2 in this draft. Or even 3. I definitely didn't think that.

JonnieB12's picture

Man I would love to see them trade up and draft Lorenzo Carter. When do you think he goes?

John Kirk's picture

Prediction...this pair of CBs will be worse than Randall and Rollins. An Aaron Rodgers rest of his career killing start to this draft. Taking Jackson is on par with taking the "steal" Jerel Worthy as we got so "lucky" he fell. I can't stand Jackson and am still reeling from wasting a 3rd and 6th on Jaire. Secondary as bad as ever and way too many CBs drafted in error in last few years.

You'll see.

JonnieB12's picture

Love the optimisim..

JonnieB12's picture

I fear you could be right though..

JonnieB12's picture

I fear you could be right though..

Cubbygold's picture

Its funny, over on APC they're talking about how GB now has the best secondary in the league.

Bearmeat's picture

We're better than we've been since 2014, but.. LOL. Hell no. Maybe, if everything goes right we'll have the best secondary in 2020. But with a 2nd year and 1 rooks playing feature roles? LOL!

John Kirk's picture

Classic. I'm sure it wasn't much different over there after Randall and Rollins. I'm telling you right now that King and Jackson will not be studs for us. Jaire has an outside chance.

This is the fan's right to get all whooped into a frenzy. My all time favorite is when the VIkings drafted Troy Williamson and Erasmus James. That draft was rated an "A" by a consensus of draftniks. 3 years later it was regraded as an "F".

I'm upset about the Alexander pick just because he's still Jaire Alexander regardless of how he got to us...and Josh Jackson was one of those players that everyone but the Packers seemed to realize isn't going to be a great NFL CB. His selection reminds very much of Jerel Worthy. The celebrating that night ... and see how that turned out? Few want to consider the other potentialities...it's all HOF'ers on draft night. I honestly and truly think this draft has been certifiably awful. The only good thing is next year's 1st. Sadly, Brian will still be the one making the picks so I'm not sure I should be too excited about even that.

stockholder's picture

This whole draft is screwed up. It's obvious players were taken on how they interviewed. Jackson was as high as 9.

Chuck Farley's picture

Come on John, the gm and Russ ball the money man will trade that one for a 3 and 4 pick to avoid spending big bucks on two one picks

worztik's picture

Another whiff of liquid cow manure, John!!! ;~€)

kevgk's picture

love it worztik, youre my favorite poster

worztik's picture

Thank you sir... glad I can bring an occasional smile!!!

John Kirk's picture

Let this waft your way, Worzy...

Here's my issue. Rationalism doesn't work well in an emotionalism based board, but I'll offer it anyway...

If I was starting a franchise and I was told I have the following two options...

A) I can have Jaire Alexander and Josh Jackson

or

B) Anthony Miller

I'm 100% full on serious when I say I'm taking option B.

Now, let's factor in NEED and take my rationalism out of the equation...

"The Packers NEED defense...must draft it... absolutely have to have a CB...it's the #1 glaring NEED."

Now, you're presented the same scenario I was but you have allowed the Packers and NEED into the equation. Now, you're emotionally reacting to your NEED not with common sense or what is actually best minus the perception of NEED. Not really that different from a thought standpoint than the junkie who "needs" his fix when what is actually better for him is no fix and a step toward getting clean. The perceived need overrides common sense to that individual's peril. The same premise has repeated itself in Packers drafts at the CB position for several years. Meanwhile, pieces that rational people would be adding to better the team are being bypassed all for chasing that fix of needing to better the D.

You all can run around in emotionalism and say the secondary is now "fixed". Fans do this every single draft. It always amazes me how a draft pick being made equates to an entire D being changed but that is what emotionalism is all about. It's fun just like the junkie's fix is fun.... I think you should recall what taking your fix the last few years in the Packers draft left you with after the buzz wore off.... Don't be surprised if it's even worse now after so many fixes.

I want to be excited about this team...this draft has done a lot in the way of sending me the other direction. All 3 picks just baffle me but I don't live in WE NEED and emotionalism.

GB Jacker's picture

I'm fairly certain now that John is just your basic internet troll. All you ever wanted was Ted gone, now he's out it's still a complete shit show and there's not been a down played. Hilarious

Chuck Farley's picture

Its worse, this draft clearly shows the pack are targeting only players who can play multiple positions and passing on stud safeties, edge rushers, job. When you see they could have stood pat and got several blue chip layers and moved back says cheap ball. Don't want no low first we got to save the bucks for rodgers.

frank the fork's picture

Houston, we have a...trade offer.
Pack trade up in the 3rd please...so happy with picks and 1st rd in 2019.

John Galt's picture

Our success in drafting CB's under Ted was really bad. Safeties pretty good.These two we hope are different. But it is not just the corners who make a defense. Hope we get at least three to four draftees/sleepers/free agents who will play LB and DL.

So far so good especially if Drew Brees breaks his leg in pre-season.

Packer Fan's picture

I always thought that the Pack needed to pick two CB's. King, Alexander and Jackson are the future. And with Willaims, they should be able to field 3 or 4 capable CB's. House is number 5 to me or number 4 if one of the three young ones don't pan out. I see this draft as significantly different than 2016 with Randall and Rollins. Randall was really a safety and Rollins was a newby playing in the MAC conference - playing against not as good talent.

And now, get back into the third round and pick a fast WR for the future. And if Bryant is still available, go after for a one year contract.

Ryan Graham's picture

Hoping for a trade up soon. no need for 6 picks in the 4th and 5th rounds...looking for a 3rd rounder or two here whataya say Gute?

Chuck Farley's picture

Gutt is giving away picks. Why would you ever trade picks for the next to last pick in the third.? Hell trade them for the middle third and get talent.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

I'm surprised since he didn't play press man in College, only zone.

sonomaca's picture

Can never have enough corners. These guys are always hurt. Like to see one more, high upside corner.

Colin_C's picture

Was not a fan of Jackson at 14, but at 45 I'm overjoyed. Can't wait to see how they plan on using him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved around a bit back there.

So ticked that Miller went to da bears, but what you gonna do...

sonomaca's picture

Remember, they have Trubisky and we have #12, so there’s that.

John Kirk's picture

Colin...I honestly believe the Bears pick of Miller is better than both our picks combined and Miller was taken AFTER both of our picks. This sick need obsession is going to continue killing this team. Losing out on better players because of "need" drafting...It's exactly what Ted did and Brian is following suit. I would all but guarantee the exact same results if not for Pettine instead of Capers. I would guarantee that this pair of CB's would've busted under Dom.

I'm literally sick over this draft but I've gotten used to that. The Bears, meanwhile, have KILLED it this draft. That team has some interesting coaches and now some more horses. If Trubisky can play they've already passed us and few realize it.

Oppy's picture

Mayock's top 100 had Alexander @12 overall, Josh Jackson @44, and Anthony Miller @ 50.

SI top 100: Alexander # 37, Jackson @ 13, Miller @ #96

PFF top 100: Alexander @ #40, JAckson @ #10, Miller @ #58

Draftek Top 100: Alexander @ # 34, Jackson @ #21, Miller @ # 86

ESPN Top 100: Alexander @ # 14, Jackson @ #18, Miller @ # 76

Sporting News Top 100: Alexander @ # 50, Jackson @ #20, Miller @ # 63

Average slotting: Alexander 31.2, Jackson 21, Anthony Miller 71.5

I'm not saying you're wrong- nobody will know until a few years out.. but it looks unanimous across top 100 boards that both Jaire Alexander and Josh Jackson were each considered higher talent picks than Anthony Miller.. by a good margin.

Cubbygold's picture

Good stuff

Finwiz's picture

Don't let the facts get in the way of his great argument.
He's on a roll! Let the rant continue.....

Norm's picture

Oppy, stop bringing facts into this discussion, you're confusing him!

Oppy's picture

to be fair, what I'm presenting isn't facts that Alexander and Jackson are more talented than Miller.

Only that the fact is, most of the higher-profile / reputable draft top 100 boards believed that Alexander and Jackson are more talented prospects than Miller.

It's only a counterpoint to weigh against John Kirk's own personal assessment that Miller is a better pick than both the Packers picks combined.

Oppy's picture

I don't usually find Mayock's drafts prognostication to be all that impressive, but it just occurred to me that he was pretty darn close with Alexander, Jackson, and Miller. Lol.

Finwiz's picture

For every big play these guys make in the upcoming season, I'll be here to remind you of this series of negative posts by you.

What CB did you like - besides Ward? Alexander is just about is good.
They'll be fine - quit being such a pessimist.

Colin_C's picture

You know I love Miller as much as anyone here (probably a lot more), but I would have taken Jackson over Miller as well. Both players were excellent in college, but in my book: stud CB> stud WR

You can't honestly say we lost out on a "better" player until 2-3 years from now. You may very well be right, but God only knows. We'll just have to wait and see. I for one, am quite optimistic about Jackson.

Kubyskins12's picture

U talk about rationalizing CB need and that effects people justifying these picks. But did u ever consider that your love for miller as player has u rationalizing. U could do this with about any pick made.

Ryan Graham's picture

I sense great faith from Gute in Reggie Gilbert and Vince Biegel...

frank the fork's picture

I think so...plus u have monster, wilk, daniels, clark and lowry rotating down low. trade 138 174 248 ....for 96...need something in the 3rd

Royalty Free GM's picture

Both have privilege to have generational HOF caliber QB.

NE’s Brady has 8 Superbowls appearances! Eight!! GB’s Rodgers has just one lonely appearance. Why?

Truth hurts. The difference is that Packers administrators & coaches are lame incompetent cucks. They have created this organisation atmosphere where getting into playoffs with the generational HOF QB is good enough. Status quo. They never learn from their mistakes. They have been so predictable for so long. The great BB is a light years ahead in FA, draft and coaching strategies. He challenges and evolves constantly.

Most of the Packers fans seems to be lambs and cucks.
They don’t demand more.
They are afraid of change.
They are not short of excuses.
This status quo is all they deserve.
Downvote if you hurt your cuck feelings.
Upvote if you demand more from this organisation.

Fuck this lame organisation with its incompetent leadership. You have had your chances, but you have kept ignoring to support Rodgers with the 1st round picks. I’m now Aaron Rodgers fan. Get ready to be mediocre team after HOF ARod is gone.

If you don’t challenge yourself more, you don’t get more. History will remember HOF QB Rodgers Packers years as a wasted opportunity. Truth hurts.

4thand10's picture

Holy S___t dude. Eat a Snickers.

Samson's picture

Hey, a Snickers might do him some good but ..... the problem still exists. We have had maybe the best QB (ever) in the NFL and we have little to show for it except 1 SB Title that basically was stolen by an all-world QB 8 years ago.

If you're content with the state of the Pack the last 7 years, then you must be easy. I'm hoping MM is gone after 2018 and Gute has some magic to salvage AR's career.

4thand10's picture

I get it, I do. I thought they would take a WR in round 2. So either they are happy rolling with Adams, Cobb?? Or they felt others were a reach. I'm not sure, but I thought they would address it. Maybe they still can. IDK. I felt they needed a deep WR besides Just having Graham at TE because he is not a guarantee

chugwater's picture

This is such a canard. Who says anyone is content?

Perhaps some of us understand it’s flat out difficult to assemble a perennial SB team even with a generational player at the helm. The Seahawks had a generational defense ascend and blow up over the past 7 years. They have only one SB win too.

Atlanta had a prolific offense two years ago.
SB wins: 0

Denver SB wins with their great defense: 1

Some day we’ll appreciate the difficulty of being a perennial playoff team. Taking the next step is even harder.

Samson's picture

Don't be silly. The best QB in the NFL should win the most SB Titles. --- If he doesn't then something else is wrong.

"" It's hard as hell to win SB's."" --- Typical "homer" excuse.

Oppy's picture

Samson, that's not how a violent contact sport that requires 22 men on the field to play works.

Believe it or not, it really is a team sport.

chugwater's picture

“The best QB in the NFL should win the most SB Titles.”

— Typical Whiny, Entitled Fan

Cubbygold's picture

You tell em big guy

chugwater's picture

The level of incompetence in this post is staggering.
Wow.

Bedrock's picture

Status quo? Defend that with the absolute lack of change in GB at GM, DC, TE, WR, and DL. Apparently that’s status quo.

Oppy's picture

You sir, are a twat.
T - W - A - T
Stabilize your emotions, son. You point the finger and call people cucks, but you're the weakest sally in the room.

Samson's picture

Come on Ooooppy, you've always been a company dude. --- Where are all you're Pro-TT posts these days?

People have the right to question the competence of the hierarchy. --- This is America!!

Oppy's picture

I think TT has probably done a great deal of good for this year's draft.

But I didn't know we were in the habit of talking about the work of the senior scouting advisor around here.

I love TT, and I think the Packers have had a great run during the TT-MM Era.

135-90

6 NFC North Titles

9 Playoff appearances

4 NFC Championship appearances.

1 SB Victory

Would I like to see more wins, NFC north titles, Playoff wins, and SB titles? Yeah, everyone would.

Do I think the last 13 years were a failure because the Packers didn't win multiple SBs? No, It's hard as hell to win SB's. The Packers have really only been out-done overall by the Pats over the last 13 years, and they are a complete anomaly.

chugwater's picture

Amen.

Samson's picture

More numbers from Oooopy.
He's been posting them for years.
Unfortunately: There's only one that truly matters.

""1 SB Victory""

You need to set your expectations a bit higher. A 3rd HOF QB (from the 21st century) will NOT be playing in GB any time soon.

Oppy's picture

Clearly, you have set your expectations higher. Yet, we both somehow have to cope with the same reality of, to this point, only 1 Superbowl victory. Maybe the problem is you need to work on setting your expectations even higher. Maybe you're not believing it hard enough. Try that. Let me know how it works out.

Oppy's picture

By the way, "questioning the competence of the hierarchy" and throwing a freaking hissy fit for 24 hours straight and calling people cucks because your team didn't draft the WR you've been going on about for weeks... kinda two different things, no?

LayingTheLawe's picture

Either agree with you or we are terrible fans who like to lose? Scratches my chin, ponders... where is the none of the above choice?

worztik's picture

I do believe that DOUG has changed his profile and moniker!!! He went from being a one name idiot to a four word idiot but, he has increased his total rant to a soliloquy of.... and he still knows nothing about spelling!!! Don’t get in any BEEs RFGM....

Ryan Graham's picture

maybe Gute sees his values players in the 4th. still some guys out there. I'm trusting his judgement.

J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

I love your British- english spelling of organization or organisation, as you say. Not so royalty- free??

Jersey Al's picture

Awwwwww. Poor baby has his panties in a knot because he was SOOOOO wrong about what the Packers would do. I guess the "defense agenda" we supposedly were pushing on here according to you was, well... just plain right. Your inane rambling and incoherent posts only serve to underscore that you haven't been watching much Packers football the last few years or you just don't know what your watching.

4thand1's picture

Of all the things I've been called in my life, "cuck" is a compliment. TY

Bure9620's picture

I get some of the frustration at the stale approach the last few years but to say its a lame organization that only cares about making it to the playoffs isn't accurate. They have 8 strait playoff appearances, 3 NFC championship game appearances and a Super Bowl title. This is not an embarrassment.

NJMagic's picture

And don't forget we still have pipkins and waters. NOW these guys can develop like UDFA should. Given time I still think both of them could be really good. Now they can be number five and six instead of one and two.

Samson's picture

And be out of the NFL in a year or two.

Cubbygold's picture

Im shocked gute hasn't made a move. His wheeling and dealing yesterday made me think he was going to be all over the place today. Guess NO isn't offering anymore rediculous trade offers

jimtalkbox's picture

A PLETHORA of backfield talent. Wow!

John Galt's picture

Please don't trade up. The draft is a crap shoot and the more picks you have the better. You could get lucky and trade 3 or 4 picks for one guy but the odds are totally against you.

Cubbygold's picture

At this point i agree

mrtundra's picture

We're at the 79th pick of the draft. Is there someone special anyone here thinks that Gute moves up to grab?

worztik's picture

Is Mark Andrews gone???

Bert's picture

I'm taking a very cautious approach to the draft any more. I've learned to not get too excited that somehow the defense, secondary or whatever has been miraculously fixed overnight with the draft. Doesn't usually work that way as we have seen from the last 5 years or so. No way Gute is gonna plug all the holes on this roster with a dozen or so draft picks. Let's just hope the secondary is improved to the point where we are not throwing MORE draft picks at it again next year. I'll puke.

Ryan Graham's picture

worztik Andrew just went to KC. Kinda wondering if everyone in GB is napping right now...

worztik's picture

Ryan... I think we just got a REAL DECENT LB from Vandy!!!

Norm's picture

That aged well.

frank the fork's picture

gb 89pick

dobber's picture

Yep...just dealt into rd 3.

Cubbygold's picture

St brown?

frank the fork's picture

trade w car

Cubbygold's picture

Didn't cost much fortunately

worztik's picture

It looks like it cost us the first pick tomorrow!!!! That’s quite a bit in my mind!!!!

Cubbygold's picture

4th and a 5th for a 3rd. Its perfectly reasonable

frank the fork's picture

def oren burks...te cover ...goood job

Bure9620's picture

"This guy is a zone corner, not man to man." No corner is really either yet because they are rookies. The reason why these idiots call Jackson a "zone guy" is becuase Iowa PLAYS lots if zone mostly cover 3. A guy with length can learn press man, its essentially technique,

Ryan Graham's picture

Frank the fork, I'm a fan as well. anything to keep Jake Ryan off the field.

Oppy's picture

Bure, I agree to the extent that just because Jackson hasn't been asked to play a lot of press man doesn't mean he can't.

However, every player does have different strengths and weaknesses and some definitely have more aptitude playing different techniques.

But, for sure, just because someone hasn't been asked to do something, doesn't mean they can't.

HankScorpio's picture

Oh be still my heart....please tell me Oren Burks is getting used at ILB. A Packer ILB that can run under 4.6 is something I've been begging for. For a very long time.

Yeah, they need pass rushers. And pass catches. And OL. I want them to add in all those areas, too.

But they need speed at LB just as much.

Ryan Graham's picture

You nailed it Hank. Sounds like hes Packer people too. the pick is growing on me fast

sherrmann1806's picture

good solid pickup here! Coupled with Alexander from yesterday, they have really solidified the defensive backfield or atleast the cornerback part of it!

Too bad they couldn't have drafted the elite stud potential multiple probowler Rodney Harrison instead of trading their first pick tomorrow and a 5th for a solid but by no means exceptional iinebacker! once again, another frustrating blown opportunity there!!

Bure9620's picture

I underdstand the infatuation with Burks and why BG likes him, I get it, Iike the athleticsm, hes smart, but I find it hard to believe he was BPA. If it turns out he cannot cover TEs, is he really a 3rd rounder? Seems more of a project, 5th or 6th maybe. We traded up? Gurantee he would have been there tomorrow. I'll take a wait and see on him. He smells of combine practice hero to me.

Since '61's picture

Who knows how these picks will work out but we can start King and Jackson on the boundary with Alexander in the slot. Back them up with Williams, House and Rollins, maybe Brown and Pipkin as well. If we stay healthy this secondary is looking pretty good, especially if we get a decent pass rush.
Pettine will have plenty of fresh young legs to work with. He has 3 potential starters with these picks who can change the entire feel of this defense. Time to add some OL and WRs. Thanks, Since '61

4thand1's picture

The Packers are finally going to defend the middle of the field.

jgando12's picture

Ha....the Doom and Gloomers Who Know EXACTLY What We Need are constant bastions of humor. Gutes has selected three defensive ballers. We have gotten better. Today will be stealin' gems all over the board. Dead beats like Fackrell, Davis and the like will not even make the roster. And tomorrow all you Einsteins will poke holes in every one of 'em.

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