Great points!

It will be interesting to see if Waters can make an impact next year. Coaches were really high on him last offseason.

Rollins, while i still like him and was high on him in the draft, I just wonder what is up with him. He was struggling before his injury. His rookie year he was doing really good. Very Physical and was looking really good. I wonder if he should be moved to Safety now. He might be a really good ball hawking type of safety. A guy who can read whats in front of him.

Excited to see Rollins? Seriously, are you sure you've been watching the Packers? That guy might not be on the team next year, let alone starting.
Waters, the jury's still out, be it's a stretch to project him as another Sam Shields.

If you minus out Rodgers scrambles, we apparently had 9 dedicated runs. If Rodgers restricted us to these attempts then he was worse than his 3 picks. Make the defense stop you before you voluntarily give up the run.

Either way, a little creativity and persistence in the run game would have gone a long way in helping this team win yesterday. I really doesn't matter who you want to point finger at. Big Fail is my takeaway.

Rodgers is a competitor and leader, you would expect him to put the pressure on himself and the game in his hands. MM needed to grow a pair and coordinate the offence, see the game as a whole. Rodgers cannot do it all on his own but will goddam try to

You are right. Here is snap counts on RB:

Jamaal Williams 43, Aaron Jones 26, Aaron Ripkowski 9

Head Coach has final call on playing calling,put this on McCarthy.

"But I think blowing up the whole thing is going to do more harm than good."

That we will never know, because the Packers don't operate that way...which is good (you don't want to be Cleveland) but at the same time, after many years it can be bad (see Cincinnati).

While I've made it quite clear that I think MM's time has come and passed, I also realize that the chances of him being canned are close to zero. It will be interesting to see what MM does with the defense, which needs to be blown up completely. If he stands pat again this year and does not make a change, that will define him for the rest of his tenure.

@Hank I agree had Hundley been better prepared or a better contingency been implemented those games we lost could have been wins. Which is exactly my point.

MM only has so much say in personnel or roster moves. The fact he has to answer questions about decisions like Bennett not working out, irks me.

I think MM should stay as the HC, which I know is contrary to what a lot of people here and Packer Nation think. But TT and Capers are the biggest culprits in my opinion. The dilemma the Packers face, is that if you fire TT the new GM will want “his guys” and it’s highly unlikely Rodgers sticks around for a rebuild.

Packers coaches are in too much of a 'comfort zone'. There is a reason that the shelf life of a head coach and coordinators on one team is limited.

There needs to be some change to avoid going stale. It's just like the music industry in the 60's and 70's (but not now). When music gets stale and somewhat formulaic, something new comes in and sweeps away the old. From old balladeers like Perry Como, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, to Motown, pop to rock, glam rock, metal, electronica, punk rock, synth pop, that was when the music industry was at its most creative and healthy. Over a much longer period, the art world changed styles in the same manner, same with fashion........you can see what I'm getting at.

MM has tried to change things up, I applaud that, but he is also too loyal to certain guys that need to be replaced and probably too set in his ways to significantly overhaul the offensive playbook and his play calling. The loss of AR revealed some of the shortcomings of this team. It was not as much of a shock as the loss of Payton Manning for the year was to the Colts, several years back. That certainly cost the GM, (and I think their head coach) their job, but the Packers struggles without AR was a wake up call to MM.

For the Packers to sack MM would be somewhat shocking (though it might do the franchise good, long term), but at the least he needs a new DC - 5+ years of poor performance there, are simply indefensible. Injuries, and who he has to work with, can be excuses for a while, but eventually he must pay the price for poor performance year after year. I would also like an offensive mind guy with new ideas, but i don't think that will happen until the Packers commit to a new HC.

Dobber - you are correct. I left out the right side of the OL which needs to be rebuilt. My mistake. Thanks, Since '61

I look at Josh Jones yesterday. How many mistakes did he make? Who are those mistakes on? I've heard arguments that his training at multiple positions are too hard for him to handle. I've heard people insinuate that he's just dumb and not a good player. Or maybe he's a rookie being asked to play against really good players.

look at Wade Phillips....wherever he goes the defense gets better. tell me again its not the D coordinator.

I brought this up on another thread, but in the sub packages I'd love to see 3 DL with Lowry, Clark, Daniels. Perry playing the elephant DE/OLB role. Then having Mathews and Martinez at ILB. Mathews then could blitz, and whatnot from that spot. When he would blitz that would give them 5 rushers. I like that look. Also the run defense would be a lot better.
Instead they typically use 2 DL with Mathews and Perry at OLB, and Martinez and another ILB. I'd just rather beef up the front and have Mathews inside.

This is where I think Capers just simply doesn't do a good enough job. Adjusting his scheme to get the best personnel on the field.

...and the Packers handed Carolina 4 additional possessions on TOs. Which didn't turn into points. The defense did enough on Sunday for the Packers to win, all things considered.

When you fill out your roster with UDFA, your depth is lower talent. There's a reason why the player went undrafted. I take it as a sign that the draft process is not working because so much depth is UDFA. 15% of the current roster is UDFA.

Did you watch the Pats Steeler game yesterday? Ricky Jean Francois, the player the packers cut and is on the pats now, forced a holding call which killed a drive. Just another symptom of sacrificing today for potential tomorrow. So the packers end up with a roster of potential that cannot perform the job today. Now this is needed to survive and hit on players.

"Jared Cook went untapped for most of his season."

Cook was injured for a great part of the season. When he came back he was used and made an impact.

Had to vent, this is the most disappointing season since last year, and the year before, and the..........................

Based on your ID, Johnblood27 I would assume he is one of your favorites. If that is the case, in downtown Green Bay they have a plaza called Packers Heritage Trail, they have great statues of Johnny Blood McNally, Hornung and Starr, they were done by the same artist that did the Lambeau and Lombardi statues at the stadium. It is worth the visit. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Rodgers' arm wasn't 100%.and it was the reason they lost. Running him out there was a desperation move.

Not certain about this.
I think he's right, it was a sign of desperation.
I'm frankly surprised they did it.

And he's right back on IR. Still think he was really ready to go?