Packers Question of the Day: Takeaways From The Loss

In Aaron Rodgers return to football for the first time since his Oct. 15 collarbone injury in Minnesota, the Packers fell in spectacular fashion to the Panthers -- even after a late-game surge that instilled hope in many.

What were your takeaways from the loss that may have fully decimated the Packers' playoff hopes?

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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GBPDAN1's picture

December 19, 2017 at 09:04 am

My take away - if AR never got hurt we would end up somewhere around 13-3 or 12-4 for this season. If AR didn't miss 2 months,.He would have been in late season form today. But, that being said, how far would we have gone in the playoffs? We still need pieces, especially on D. Somehow, a solid pass rush and quality CBs need to be obtained

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 18, 2017 at 08:46 am

Agree 100%... I was going to write the same thing but you beat me to it...

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The TKstinator's picture

December 18, 2017 at 12:23 pm

Agreed about pass rushers and cover men. Both are premium positions and hard to obtain! Ugh.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 18, 2017 at 03:19 pm

Great points!

It will be interesting to see if Waters can make an impact next year. Coaches were really high on him last offseason.

Rollins, while i still like him and was high on him in the draft, I just wonder what is up with him. He was struggling before his injury. His rookie year he was doing really good. Very Physical and was looking really good. I wonder if he should be moved to Safety now. He might be a really good ball hawking type of safety. A guy who can read whats in front of him.

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Finwiz's picture

December 18, 2017 at 03:53 pm

Excited to see Rollins? Seriously, are you sure you've been watching the Packers? That guy might not be on the team next year, let alone starting.
Waters, the jury's still out, be it's a stretch to project him as another Sam Shields.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 18, 2017 at 04:15 pm

The fact that Sam Shields and Tramon Williams as UDFA’s were as good as they were gives us hope. Seems fair to expect more from first round (Clinton-Dix, Randall) and second round (Rollins, Josh Jones) picks.
Remember it took Nick Collins a couple years to get his act together. Josh Jones, especially, seems to have the physical tools. Let’s see how he ascends in year two, like Blake (aka ‘Black’) Martinez and Kenny Clark.

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Finwiz's picture

December 19, 2017 at 09:11 am

I DID NOT say the same thing about Randall.
I was the ONLY guy, or one of the ONLY guys that said he had talent and was dealing with immaturity earlier in the year, and that he SHOULD NOT be cut! I said it several times.
So let's set the record straight and be clear about who said what.
I haven't said the same things about Rollins.
I don't see the same level of talent with him.
Not to mention the fact he's injury prone.
This pick is a buster - sorry to say!

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Razer's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:11 am

"cuervo" said it best in another thread...

"Maybe if our offensive guru would have run the ball more, since it was working the few times he did it, our injured QB that is coming off an 8 week layoff wouldn't have had to throw it 45 times.

Jones runs two times in the first half for 40+ yards and get's one or two handoffs the rest of the game...."

How many times have you heard coaches talk about stopping the run to make a team one dimensional?! We voluntarily stopped our run. This loss was more self-inflicted than we like to admit.

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Since'61's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:32 am

Razor - Rodgers called most of the plays and we won't know how often he opted out of the run plays. By his own comment after the game he said that the Panthers defense dictated how often the Packers ran yesterday. I read that as Rodgers seeing adjustments made by the Panthers to stop the run and Rodgers either changing the play at LOS or during his post-snap RPO. Look to Rodgers not MM for this one. Thanks, Since '61

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Razer's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:58 am

If you minus out Rodgers scrambles, we apparently had 9 dedicated runs. If Rodgers restricted us to these attempts then he was worse than his 3 picks. Make the defense stop you before you voluntarily give up the run.

Either way, a little creativity and persistence in the run game would have gone a long way in helping this team win yesterday. I really doesn't matter who you want to point finger at. Big Fail is my takeaway.

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dobber's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:10 am

The outcome pretty much dictates the judgement. Packers possessions ended 6 times on either punts (2) or TOs (4)...so those 24 points, all considered, don't look too bad. If they'd pulled that game out, I think we'd all be noting the number of run calls, but not be very concerned about it.

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DangerMouseUK's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:13 am

Rodgers is a competitor and leader, you would expect him to put the pressure on himself and the game in his hands. MM needed to grow a pair and coordinate the offence, see the game as a whole. Rodgers cannot do it all on his own but will goddam try to

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croatpackfan's picture

December 18, 2017 at 11:31 am

You are right. Here is snap counts on RB:

Jamaal Williams 43, Aaron Jones 26, Aaron Ripkowski 9

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pooch's picture

December 18, 2017 at 05:30 pm

Head Coach has final call on playing calling,put this on McCarthy.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 19, 2017 at 03:23 am

No, final call has Aaron, because he is checking at the line of scrimmage... Just to support this claim, can you tell me, who is calling offensive Time-Outs? Mike McCarthy - rarely, mostly Aaron Rodgers...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 19, 2017 at 06:46 am

Agree with Croat. MM gave Aaron Jones 26 snaps, and AR gave him 3 carries and one target. That is on AR. There is no way Aaron Jones is out there to pass block.

MM had to rein in Favre regarding his INTs. Now MM has to look at every play to make sure that AR is not going pass happy when he audibles: that is, each decision to throw the ball has to be justified by AR.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:28 am

My takeaway is that this team simply isn’t competitive without Rodgers transforming into Houdini on a weekly basis, there needs to be changes. Personnel have missed several times in several departments, coaching has mishandled talent. It’s a shame that Rodgers prime years are going to be, and have been wasted by a man as arragont as TT.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:54 am

They were competitive with Rodgers throwing 3 ints yesterday. On the road vs a team that will likely be in the playoffs. They had the ball in the opponent's territory going for the late tying TD.

And that loss would not have been the final dagger on the season if they had a competent backup QB that could have salvaged one home game vs NO, Det & Balt. Or even the competitive effort at Pittsburgh. If they had won half those winnable games, they'd still be in the driver seat for a playoff berth. In a year where Rodgers missed half the year. And a whole bunch of other injuries have presented real problems.

I absolutely agree that Capers must go. Like every year for every team, there are areas of the roster that need to improve. They need to stop kidding themselves about their backup QB situation, which has bit them twice now.

But I think blowing up the whole thing is going to do more harm than good.

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cuervo's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:10 am

"But I think blowing up the whole thing is going to do more harm than good."

That we will never know, because the Packers don't operate that way...which is good (you don't want to be Cleveland) but at the same time, after many years it can be bad (see Cincinnati).

While I've made it quite clear that I think MM's time has come and passed, I also realize that the chances of him being canned are close to zero. It will be interesting to see what MM does with the defense, which needs to be blown up completely. If he stands pat again this year and does not make a change, that will define him for the rest of his tenure.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:50 am

"If he stands pat again this year and does not make a change, that will define him for the rest of his tenure."

I hope this is something we never know, either.

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billybobton's picture

December 18, 2017 at 01:23 pm

Not to put a fine line on it but if Rodgers had played for Cleveland two weeks ago who would have won?

Please spare us the teddie is saving us from being cleveland crap.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 18, 2017 at 03:50 pm

MM is saving the Packers from being Cleveland. Mark Tauscher called that game a "culture win". He said Cleveland has a culture of losing and found a way to make that happen despite deserving a win. The Packers have a culture of winning and found a way to pull out a win when they probably didn't deserve one. I thought that was an excellent way of summing up that game.

The NFL is a very competitive game. Teams go up and teams go down. Say what you want about TT, MM or whoever else but the Packers have done a better job of avoiding the downs that most NFL teams see.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 19, 2017 at 03:26 am

You will never ever explain that to the people who do not think about future. For those people it is always now and only now...

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fthisJack's picture

December 19, 2017 at 07:04 am

there would have been a lot more ups the past 5 years if they had a coordinator and coaches who actually had the defense playing as a unit and knowing their assignments. also, the bend but don't break defense protecting a lead has cost them dearly in many big games. they have kept this team from being elite for many years now. time to clean house on D.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 18, 2017 at 03:54 pm

@Hank I agree had Hundley been better prepared or a better contingency been implemented those games we lost could have been wins. Which is exactly my point.

MM only has so much say in personnel or roster moves. The fact he has to answer questions about decisions like Bennett not working out, irks me.

I think MM should stay as the HC, which I know is contrary to what a lot of people here and Packer Nation think. But TT and Capers are the biggest culprits in my opinion. The dilemma the Packers face, is that if you fire TT the new GM will want “his guys” and it’s highly unlikely Rodgers sticks around for a rebuild.

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dobber's picture

December 19, 2017 at 05:06 am

" it’s highly unlikely Rodgers sticks around for a rebuild."

No offense, but why do people keep saying this? He's got two years left on his deal and nobody has the capital to give his true value in return in trade. Packers can tag him if they want at the end of his deal...and by then, he'll be markedly on the decline. It's not as if he can just opt out of his contract.

He's in GB as long as the Packers choose to keep him in GB.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 19, 2017 at 12:11 pm

Dinner, I get what you’re saying, but tagging a guy, is not the way business is done in GB, they’re not the Redskins.

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egbertsouse's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:31 am

Mashed Potato Mike went back to his old habits; 13 running plays vs. passes, deep drops and long passes punctuated by crazy WR screen plays that go nowhere, and reliance on AR making plays with his feet all day long. Oh, and at least one crazy gadget play; Jordy under center on 4th down, wtf was that? Embarrassing is what it was.

Dom being Dom: No pass rush, safeties playing corner, big holes in the zone, giving up 3rd downs, blown coverages.

How many more years doe we have to watch this?

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egbertsouse's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:31 am

I left out 50, 50 passes.

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Turophile's picture

December 18, 2017 at 04:48 pm

Packers coaches are in too much of a 'comfort zone'. There is a reason that the shelf life of a head coach and coordinators on one team is limited.

There needs to be some change to avoid going stale. It's just like the music industry in the 60's and 70's (but not now). When music gets stale and somewhat formulaic, something new comes in and sweeps away the old. From old balladeers like Perry Como, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, to Motown, pop to rock, glam rock, metal, electronica, punk rock, synth pop, that was when the music industry was at its most creative and healthy. Over a much longer period, the art world changed styles in the same manner, same with fashion........you can see what I'm getting at.

MM has tried to change things up, I applaud that, but he is also too loyal to certain guys that need to be replaced and probably too set in his ways to significantly overhaul the offensive playbook and his play calling. The loss of AR revealed some of the shortcomings of this team. It was not as much of a shock as the loss of Payton Manning for the year was to the Colts, several years back. That certainly cost the GM, (and I think their head coach) their job, but the Packers struggles without AR was a wake up call to MM.

For the Packers to sack MM would be somewhat shocking (though it might do the franchise good, long term), but at the least he needs a new DC - 5+ years of poor performance there, are simply indefensible. Injuries, and who he has to work with, can be excuses for a while, but eventually he must pay the price for poor performance year after year. I would also like an offensive mind guy with new ideas, but i don't think that will happen until the Packers commit to a new HC.

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Since'61's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:37 am

My takeaway is that our season is over for the usual reasons.
Bad to no defense.
Plague of injuries.
Besides A. Rodgers not enough play makers on the roster.

Same ending for the 7th season.

To change the ending we need to change our GM, DC and get better players at LB, CB, TE and WR.

Thanks, Since '61

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dobber's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:41 am

They're going to have to find a RT somewhere, too. A good RT will make that journeyman RG they're destined to play with next year look passable.

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Since'61's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:58 am

Dobber - you are correct. I left out the right side of the OL which needs to be rebuilt. My mistake. Thanks, Since '61

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GBPDAN1's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:04 am

I agree with your whole post, Since 61

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bjkdad44's picture

December 18, 2017 at 05:53 pm

Quick and to the correct point

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EdsLaces's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:59 am

Mine is the Dom needs to go stuff is kinda dumb. The players suck so that is not his fault . We need some new guys on d and some new guys in the front office to make this happen. If Dom had a few better players that could stay on the field not the stretcher ...we would be just fine.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:03 am

Dom is responsible for the coaching of those players. If they suck he is responsible for that. To claim otherwise is nonsense.

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dobber's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:07 am

I look at Josh Jones yesterday. How many mistakes did he make? Who are those mistakes on? I've heard arguments that his training at multiple positions are too hard for him to handle. I've heard people insinuate that he's just dumb and not a good player. Or maybe he's a rookie being asked to play against really good players.

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Qoojo's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:13 am

We have heard for years how complicated Capers' full defense is, and we have seen continual confusion no matter the players. The defense generally improves when it is reported that he simplified things.

I imagine his defense is so complicated that players can only run it correctly a percentage of the time. Given that TT loves those undrafted FAs for depth. Then when they do it run it correctly, those UDFAs don't have the talent to cover.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:55 am

It's on both of them. But, Capers is responsible to set up Josh Jones for success and he didn't. It's quite telling to me the cast offs from the Packers secondary are now borderline All Pros in LA and Buffalo.

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dobber's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:05 am

It's a forever "chicken and egg" argument. If the players were better the defensive coordinator would be better. If the DC were better the defense would play better.

Whatever the case, the defense ain't getting it done...and it's far easier, cheaper, and less disruptive to player continuity to replace one Dom Capers than half a dozen players.

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fthisJack's picture

December 19, 2017 at 07:20 am

look at Wade Phillips....wherever he goes the defense gets better. tell me again its not the D coordinator.

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dobber's picture

December 19, 2017 at 09:17 am

I didn't tell you it was not the DC.

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Razer's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:07 am

Maybe we need John Dorsey to give us an honest assessment of the problem.

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carusotrap's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:12 am

Delusional.

Dom has had different players every year for nine years. Same result.

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billybobton's picture

December 18, 2017 at 01:27 pm

It is not capers?

who had Peppers playing DT last year in a two man DL?
who had Hyde as a 'shut down' CB instead of S?
who put CM3 back on the edge where a good coach chumps him on his total lack of responsibility outside of blind speed rushes no matter what else is going on around him?

Who failed to say.....boss we need Woodson? We need Peppers...maybe Hyde should get a shot at S since MB is bad coverage S but works as a coverage LB and v the run?

there is no excuse for capers, he is on the THIRD generation of player in green bay and he still can not change his system to work with the players we have, not the players who left

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:01 am

Rodgers came back and was rusty. Nothing can be done about that. However something can and should be done about the defense. How is it that the Vikings can be down to their 3rd string QB who wasn't even on the team last year and clinch the NFC North? Well, their Defense is really good. There is probably no way for TT to replace the players in one off-season but MM can sure as hell replace parts of the Defensive coaching staff.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 18, 2017 at 11:03 am

The Packers don't have to replace all the players on defense this offseason. There is a decent foundation.

Clark and Daniels are one heck of a building block for any DC to have two inside DL like that. Matthews is no longer a fearsome edge rusher but he's still an instinctive player than can produce if used correctly. He and Martinez would be one heck of an ILB duo, IMO. I think a new voice and new direction can make the Safety group they have in place productive. So I think the Packers are fairly set in the middle of the defense for talent. But they sure have not played that way under Capers.

So I wonder if a new voice might not be able to make better use of the more questionable talent they have on the outside, as well.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 18, 2017 at 11:52 am

I brought this up on another thread, but in the sub packages I'd love to see 3 DL with Lowry, Clark, Daniels. Perry playing the elephant DE/OLB role. Then having Mathews and Martinez at ILB. Mathews then could blitz, and whatnot from that spot. When he would blitz that would give them 5 rushers. I like that look. Also the run defense would be a lot better.
Instead they typically use 2 DL with Mathews and Perry at OLB, and Martinez and another ILB. I'd just rather beef up the front and have Mathews inside.

This is where I think Capers just simply doesn't do a good enough job. Adjusting his scheme to get the best personnel on the field.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 18, 2017 at 02:52 pm

Agreed. Sadly at this point I'd like to just Capers adjust to not confusing the players on the field.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 19, 2017 at 06:53 am

That has been the most embarrassing thing to watch. How much confusion there is. Having to burn timeouts on defense due to confusion, and playing with 10 men on the field. I'd like to know how many TD's we have given up with 10 men on the field this year.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 19, 2017 at 03:37 am

I have to remind you, for the sake of the truth, that Packers horrible D allowed Panthers O the same points as that terrific Vikings D... I worry more about Packers O. Aaron was able to produce the same points as Keenum...

And for the sake of argument, that Panthers butt TD was ridicoulous call by referees and review agent...

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dobber's picture

December 19, 2017 at 05:09 am

...and the Packers handed Carolina 4 additional possessions on TOs. Which didn't turn into points. The defense did enough on Sunday for the Packers to win, all things considered.

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Qoojo's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:07 am

I think TT spends too much time looking for bargains with the undrafted FAs, looking for the diamond in the rough as the main depth for the team. Then a game like yesterday has them playing significant time with a Safety and CB unable to cover. Then the WR that fumbled was undrafted as well. TT basically ignores the real FA market, and he can do that because of Rodgers.

I don't think there is any reason to discuss Capers at this point. He should have been walked out of the building after Atlanta, then one of the other coaches promoted to DC to see if they have what it takes. After atlanta, it was clear that it was the same old situation with the result being an early exit from the playoffs due to bad defense.

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Turophile's picture

December 18, 2017 at 11:28 am

I have absolutely no problem with TT finding good undrafted players. I don't understand how you can paint a strength as a weakness ?

The main reason Ted keeps the team young is the salary cap. If you are going to pay one guy in the region of $30m a year (which is what Rodgers will be worth), you have to find a way to balance the books. that means few forays into veteran FA and a constantly churning roster, which means plenty of young players and low salaries. Even with all that, the Packers cap space is not that large, comparable to many other better teams.

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Qoojo's picture

December 18, 2017 at 12:59 pm

When you fill out your roster with UDFA, your depth is lower talent. There's a reason why the player went undrafted. I take it as a sign that the draft process is not working because so much depth is UDFA. 15% of the current roster is UDFA.

Did you watch the Pats Steeler game yesterday? Ricky Jean Francois, the player the packers cut and is on the pats now, forced a holding call which killed a drive. Just another symptom of sacrificing today for potential tomorrow. So the packers end up with a roster of potential that cannot perform the job today. Now this is needed to survive and hit on players.

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dobber's picture

December 18, 2017 at 01:41 pm

Two other teams that have as many if not more UDFAs as the Packers: New England and Seattle.

As for UDFAs....

Per Adam Schefter: Hope for underdogs: There are more undrafted free agents on NFL rosters today (481) than 1st- and 2nd-round picks combined (480), per Elias.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/772806077217857536?ref_src=twsrc...

Every team uses them, folks. Every team is mining for gold there because they ARE cheap. They allow you to fill out the bottom end of your roster by test-driving guys with one-year deals. Sometimes they become key players, whether it's due to injuries or because they outplay other guys.

Based on 2016 numbers, the Packers were tied for fifth in the league for number of UDFAs on the roster. Seattle has--and uses--a ton of them.

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/2/8/14554038/which-nfl-teams-ha...

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Qoojo's picture

December 18, 2017 at 02:08 pm

Patriots had one make the final roster this year. The glaring difference between those three teams is that 2 out of 3 can field a defense.

As you mention, the real problem is that injuries force the heavy use of them on the packers, and they become focal points for opposing teams to exploit.

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dobber's picture

December 18, 2017 at 02:31 pm

Oy...that was my initial statement and I didn't erase it after I found other data (I restarted my post with the "As for UDFAs" part). My bad.

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Qoojo's picture

December 18, 2017 at 07:51 pm

UDFA is an important aspect of building rosters. I am probably overstating it. It's just tiresome to see UDFAs get so much playing time and get burned time after time. Maybe it's Capers' scheme making it worse too.

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Johnblood27's picture

December 18, 2017 at 08:46 pm

Draft and develop means heavy development not only of drafted players but also of the udfa's that stick.

This makes the bottom of the roster a development team and not necessarily replacement quality players needed to survive an NFL seasons bumps, bruises and breaks.

It takes 50 of the 53 to have the depth needed.

Using more than 2-4 spots strictly for "potential" "developmental" players in addition to the practice squad guys creates a real strain on the "playable" members of the 53.

This is my interpretation of the weakness of the D&D philosophy when it is carried beyond a few guys at the bottom of the roster.

The first 45-50 need to be starters and mid-tier vets as backups, the players that have proven themselves and can play and not embarrass the team or provide easy targets for opponents. There can be some young, 1-2 yr, players that are obviously going to become better than average among this 50 to provide the youth needed to restock over time, but the influx of 12-15 udfa/low level/low current quality/"potential" players dooms season accomplishment when the injury bug comes and it ALWAYS bites in todays NFL.

The farm system is gone,, NCAA isnt it, too many players in the same pool and detecting those that will rise above the rabble is obviously not readily apparent by the low success rate of the draft.

Teams can maintain mediocrity by using more of their roster on development, but that comes at the expense of winning in the face of attrition NOW.

Sound familiar?

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croatpackfan's picture

December 19, 2017 at 04:04 am

So, you are suggesting one thing:

Go to SB every 10 years and use 9 years in between to rebuils. If in the SB season you suffer 3 injuries on 3 most important players, you have 19 years of rebuilding, and again in 10thn season you lost the most inmportant one, you went to SB, but lose it, that would be 29 years of nothing...

That sounds like good plan!

Last example I can remeber: Washington Redskins and Robert Griffin III!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 19, 2017 at 07:26 am

Dobber, thanks for the raider link. Here I spent time researching an answer to JohnBlood in the other thread.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 18, 2017 at 10:10 am

Point fingers as to blame all you want, but this is what will continue and has been the theme since 2011.....

http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cblFDi2MtF

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AK Cheese's picture

December 18, 2017 at 11:45 am

Sad ending.

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nostradanus's picture

December 18, 2017 at 11:50 am

My take is this:
*It sure was nice to have Rodgers back (3 int's or not) the Packers always have a chance when he's at QB
*So with that in mind BUILD UP THE OFFENSIVE LINE, a great O Line will help prolong Rodgers career and improve an already improving running game which will keep that pathetic Defense off the field.
*Someone please get Clinton Dix to act like he's interested in playing football or trade him.
*We need a stud Tight End
*We need speed at WR, Jordy is looking his age, Cobb is just OK and Adams 3 concussions in 14 months? Draft one high this year!
*Need pass rush help!!!
*FIRE CAPERS!!!

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Razer's picture

December 18, 2017 at 12:06 pm

...*We need a stud Tight End...

OMG - Yes. I do wonder if MM really knows how to use a TE. Jared Cook went untapped for most of his season. Richard Rodgers played like Witten yesterday. We won't see another TE target for the rest of the season.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 18, 2017 at 12:22 pm

"Jared Cook went untapped for most of his season."

Cook was injured for a great part of the season. When he came back he was used and made an impact.

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Razer's picture

December 18, 2017 at 12:32 pm

You saying that we utilize our TE's well? Cook had 30 catches including a great catch in Dallas and one TD. Total impact player.

I get it - you want to win arguments. The Packers are to TEs as Wisconsin is to cheese.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 18, 2017 at 12:50 pm

Cook started 5 games last year and played in 10.
He was out for 6+ games last year.

When he finally came back healthy he made an impact.

I don't get what you're arguing.

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Razer's picture

December 18, 2017 at 01:13 pm

I am not trying to argue with you. I purpose that the Packers don't know how to use TEs in their gameplanning or offense and cite the last eight years as evidence. The flash of Richard Rodgers last night is but one anomaly to this history. You seem to think we are good with TEs.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 18, 2017 at 01:25 pm

I just responded on Jared Cook. You said that 'I do wonder if MM really knows how to use a TE. Jared Cook went untapped for most of his season.'

I responded with the reason for that was that he was injured for a big portion of the year. When he came back he made an impact. Had he played the entire year he probably would have had a lot more catches and a bigger impact.

They absolutely need a legit threat at TE.

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Razer's picture

December 18, 2017 at 01:57 pm

Sorry, I can't say that I view any TE play as impactful over these last years. I just expect more.

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bjkdad44's picture

December 18, 2017 at 06:13 pm

The Packers are to TE’s as Wisconsin is to cheese... ??? I don’t get that?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 19, 2017 at 07:43 am

Sarcasm, bjk.

Cook had a slow start (something all receivers experience with AR) in his first few games. 5 recs in his first three games, 16 in his first 7 games. Regular season was 30 recs in 10 games, or 48 over the course of a season.

But he had 18 recs in three playoff games for 229 yds (72 yds/game is a lot), and he averaged 12.6 yds/rec in the regular season and 12.7 yds/rec in the playoffs. I'd say he made an impact eventually. Finley had some productive years.

Not sure how an OC gets production out of RR, Kendricks, Quarless, Taylor, Williams, short of forcing the ball to them.

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dobber's picture

December 19, 2017 at 09:19 am

Remember that Cook had that foot injury that led him to miss almost all of camp and OTAs. He was playing himself into shape when he hurt his ankle.

When the WRs were all getting hurt in the post-season, Cook was answering the bell.

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bjkdad44's picture

December 18, 2017 at 06:09 pm

I think Adam’s will be retiring soon... alas... I sure hope I’m wrong but concussions now-a-days are not to be fooled with...

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Handsback's picture

December 18, 2017 at 03:01 pm

Too many players that have benn infected by LOFT. Better drafts, more FA activity, and maybe make a run at it next year.

BTW: LOFT is Lack of freaking (being nice here) talent!

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4thand1's picture

December 18, 2017 at 04:11 pm

My take is we lost again in the usual form. If there are no major changes I'm boycotting this team. We have a few pro bowl players and depend on one person. The whole dam league knows it, the play by play announcers call it out all the time. TT,MM,MM,DC, you're out of f-ing excuses. Until AR gets pissed enough and wants out, nothing will change. -UCK EM!

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bjkdad44's picture

December 18, 2017 at 06:18 pm

No you’re not..

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4thand1's picture

December 18, 2017 at 08:20 pm

Had to vent, this is the most disappointing season since last year, and the year before, and the..........................

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gary g's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:04 pm

I have argued with you in the past . But nobody can say anything about your passion for this team. When i complain about TT MM DC its for the same reason. Love the team but hate the situation. Have a great holiday.

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lou's picture

December 18, 2017 at 05:04 pm

Each team like the Packers I believe have a standard goal of making the playoffs and would like to win it all but once getting to the playoffs they realize that player health, playing home or away, and match ups with playoff opponents will be up in the air when the playoffs start. For the first time in 9 years the Packers goal was not met. Just like any business when realistic goals are not met you need due dilligence and correction through ACTION. You start with the areas with the biggest red flags and those since the Super Bowl have been the Defense and the Injuries, both Dom Capers and Pepper Burruss need to be replaced, in Burruss case maybe moved to a lesser position. If they don't start there both Thompson and Murphy need to be "put on the clock" by the Board of Directors. This is not rocket science for God's sake, you have a business problem you analyze it and take ACTION.

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Johnblood27's picture

December 18, 2017 at 08:51 pm

STOP making sense!

You're making everyone else look bad!

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lou's picture

December 19, 2017 at 10:14 am

Based on your ID, Johnblood27 I would assume he is one of your favorites. If that is the case, in downtown Green Bay they have a plaza called Packers Heritage Trail, they have great statues of Johnny Blood McNally, Hornung and Starr, they were done by the same artist that did the Lambeau and Lombardi statues at the stadium. It is worth the visit. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 18, 2017 at 08:46 pm

My take : Aaron Rodgers was not ready to play yesterday. He should have been on IR.

The Packers rushed him back because he's their answer to everything, from offense (obvious) to defense (with Rodgers we're always in the game), to coaching (just pencil in #12, and kick back) to personnel (we got Rodgers, who cares?).

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Johnblood27's picture

December 18, 2017 at 08:53 pm

Rodgers was healthy enough to play.

He was a little rusty, but he was a CLEAR upgrade from Hundley.

He belonged on the field yesterday, not on IR or the DL or the bench.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 18, 2017 at 09:07 pm

Rodgers' arm wasn't 100%.and it was the reason they lost. Running him out there was a desperation move.

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dobber's picture

December 19, 2017 at 09:20 am

Are you saying that playing ARod didn't give them their best chance to win?

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Finwiz's picture

December 19, 2017 at 09:24 am

Not certain about this.
I think he's right, it was a sign of desperation.
I'm frankly surprised they did it.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 19, 2017 at 07:25 pm

And he's right back on IR. Still think he was really ready to go?

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partsjay's picture

December 20, 2017 at 02:11 am

Tired of hearing about guys “taking the next step” next year. This team needs studs of the defensive side of the ball. D Line is in decent shape, Linebackers are suspect. Mathews just isn’t what he once was, usually gets injured during the year too. Very weak in the middle, biggest fear in the Carolina game was them trying to deal with McCaffery out of the backfield, no way they could cover him. The corner situation is horrible, and has been for a long time. House is a #2 CB....not a 1. Had a chance to sign Bouye and passed on him, tied for the lead in INT’s this year. Dix is a good safety, but that’s where it ends. They need a pass rush and they need a corner. Get rid of Capers, should have been gone years ago. His scheme hasn’t worked since Woodson left. Rodgers gives you the ability to commit heavy to the defensive side of the ball. Has TT really been that good? Imagine if he didn’t land Rodgers....picture this team with Cousins or another average QB. We are 8-8 at best. Time is ticking...can’t keep playing the draft and develop card ....there needs to be some of that, but you need to get players too. The salary cap can always be played with.

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