Packers Question of the day - Takeaways from the loss

Happy Halloween, readers.

There were a lot of positives to hold onto after the 33-32 loss in the Georgia Dome. The Packers were beginning to look like, well, the Packers again. A concept that has seemed relatively foreign in the last year.

The defense struggled immensely, as expected, but not at the hands of Julio Jones. Mohamed Sanu had himself a day against a depleted Green Bay secondary who was missing arguably their best edge-rusher and top three cornerbacks.

What impression did the heart-breaking defeat leave on you and how do you feel moving forward?

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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TommyG's picture

October 31, 2016 at 03:19 am

Zach, that about sums it up for me as well. A banged up CB corps and some inexperience in the middle of the field let Atlanta hang around all day. Our offense looked good. For all of the resistance MM has towards change there have been some noticeable differences between this game and 5 weeks ago. I would have loved to see Mason have a shot at the winning FG.

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KenEllis's picture

October 31, 2016 at 09:53 am

Team is 4-3 and likely will be either 11-5 or 10-6 and get into the playoffs as a WC.

It will then lose its first or second round playoff game and we'll be right back here in 2017 talking about how GB is a Super Bowl favorite heading into the season.

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Samson's picture

October 31, 2016 at 02:03 pm

You're right. --- It's difficult playing pretty much the same scenario year after year. -- I'm convinced that as long as MM/TT are running the show in GB, nothing will change. -- If everything remains as it is, GB won't see the SB anytime in the near future. --- The Pack needs a hierarchy that is bolder and focuses on the present. (a more veteran presence using free agency instead of all the unproven kids)

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Spud Rapids's picture

November 01, 2016 at 05:36 am

Bill Bellichek's don't grow on trees... and I'm glad you've already determined the Packers won't win the superbowl. You guys are so short-sided in your "what have you done for me lately" mindset.

The patriots went 10 YEARS IN BETWEEN SUPER BOWL WINS... it's been 6 years since the Pack won. Stop being so cynical and be happy that every year they are considered a contender. We could be the Bears, Lions, or the Vikings when they get one good team every 10 years.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 31, 2016 at 04:29 am

Increased ferocity of Atlanta's pass rush =
AR 17 of 21 (80.9%), 170 yds., 8.10 yds/att 1ST HALF
AR 11 of 17 (64.7%), 79 yds, 4.64 yds/att 2ND HALF

Atlanta's adjustments led to A, B, and C below:
A) Ignore the run - Rip can't really hurt them;
Other GB RBs can't run at all.

B) Atlanta used 6 & even 7 DBs in 2nd half =
Nelson 4/94 yds 1st half, shut out in 2nd half;
Adams 8.0 yds/rec 1st half, 5.57 2nd half.

C) 5 Explosive plays in 1st half: Zero in 2nd half
[Passes for 58, 21 to Nelson, 22 to Adams, 55 yard punt return; Scramble 23 yards in 1st half.] 2nd Half: Zero. [Passes for 17, 14 not quite there.]

30 plays in 1st half, 31 in 2nd half. No change
80% shotgun 1st half vs. 83% 2nd half. No change.
Run 20% runs in 1st half vs. 23% in 2nd. No change

1st half: 6 runs, 24 yards (4.0 Ave) Modest success.
5 for 15 (3.0) by Knile/Jackson, 1 for 9 Rip.
2nd half (3.43 average). No overall change.
Used RIp more in 2nd half: 5 carries, 25 yds.

Failed to exploit Atlanta's known trouble with shallow crossers. Cobb's & Monty's absence hurt in this regard. ESPN lists only 6 passes to the middle of the field (I think 2 more were to the middle but ESPN did not list the location - they were TD passes.]

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jh9's picture

October 31, 2016 at 05:44 am

So what you're saying is that Atlanta made the halftime adjustments defensively, and the Packers didn't make any in-game offensive adjustments in the 2nd half to counter.

That makes sense to me. Great coaches have the ability to make those in-game adjustments. Unfortunately, MM is not one of those coaches.

I guess that answers my questions of what happened in the 2nd half. Thanks, Greatreynoldo.

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dobber's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:30 am

"That makes sense to me. Great coaches have the ability to make those in-game adjustments. Unfortunately, MM is not one of those coaches."

I agree that MM has suffered over the years as a game-day coach, but you can only make adjustments if you have the pieces to do so. He had virtually no pieces to work with yesterday.

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jh9's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:53 am

As you say, dobber, we've seen this same failure to make in-game adjustments from MM many times before--even when he had a fully healthy team.

No, I'm not going to give him a pass because of the injuries. The man makes $6,000,000 a year. He is well compensated and it's his job to figure out what to do to put his players in the best position possible to succeed for the entire game.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 31, 2016 at 09:04 am

@Dobber,

Note that I never wrote that MM didn't or even could have made adjustments. The options weren't enticing. I suppose using a real RB to threaten to gash a run, but Knile Davis and Jackson, save for Jackson's intriguing first run for 7 yards, didn't look good. RR was responsible for two negative running plays by those back - once he failed to cut off backside pursuit and Davis got caught from behind when the DE pinched in.

Also, I'd love to watch all22 on this. One commenter on another site wrote that Atlanta moved from zone to more man in the 2nd half. I saw some but not a lot of zone in the first or second quarters but maybe I missed it. I did miss the last 7 minutes of the 2nd quarter - child was stranded and needed a ride. Arrgg.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:02 am

While I agree there were adjustments made, the 1 adjustment I didn't like was in the 3rd quarter we started to see a lot more Richard Rodgers and Perillo. When they came onto the field the offense suffered. Once they put the 5 WR's back on the field they moved the ball again.

The lack of a presence at TE is hurting this offense, to go along with the injured WR's.

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dobber's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:35 am

I didn't mind when MM said, "we need to run the ball more." In part, because I didn't have much faith in their ability to keep up with the Falcons at the pace the first half was played. It turned out that he had no commitment to the run because, surprise, he's got no RB to play who (and this is my guess) he can rely on in pass pro. If the plan was to commit to the run, I would've rather seen Spriggs out there as the Jumbo TE and sit one of Perillo/RRod down. But you're right: the Packers were much more effective (as they have been the last several weeks) spreading the field and letting ARod find his guy. The Packers have good depth at WR...much better than most teams have at CB. They have very little quality depth at TE, so how does that allow them to exploit a defense? RRod/Perillo <<< Gronk/Bennett.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 08:16 am

I didn't mind it. But when I started seeing Rodgers and Perillo in on the offense, I could see why they struggled. They literally slow the offense down, and offer nothing to the team. They don't block well, they aren't fast and offer little in the passing game.

My biggest problem with McCarthy in the game was when he started to use them. When in the first half the offense was doing really well with Allison and Davis and all the WR's being used.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 31, 2016 at 12:15 pm

They just need to pretend the TE position does not exist until Cook is back.

And they really don't need to run the ball that much. Either way, Perilllo and Rodgers are not going to help the running game.

Let's hope Cobb and Monty get healthy. My heart sank when I saw those guys in tshirts.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 01:09 pm

Thats honestly what they need to do. Pretend they have no TE's. They were doing just fine without them when they were running 4-5 WR sets.

They need to get back healthy. Really do.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 31, 2016 at 10:24 pm

TE depth is atrocious. What ever happened to Stoneburner, or whatever his name was?

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Tundraboy's picture

October 31, 2016 at 10:25 pm

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jh9's picture

October 31, 2016 at 05:23 am

I expected the Packers to lose this game, so I'm not devastated. The good news is that the Packers scored five more points and Atlanta scored five less points than I predicted.

I also knew the only chance the Packers had to win this game was to outplay Atlanta offensively. The Packers did that in the 1st half, but failed to do so in the 2nd half and lost because of it.

My questions are: Why did the Packers come out of halftime playing so flat? What happened to all the energy and efficiency the Packers had in the 1st half?

The Packers this year haven't yet played well offensively for a full sixty minutes. I hope MM and AR can find the answers soon and get back to playing like the offensive juggernaut we saw two years ago before this season gets away from us.

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NickPerry's picture

October 31, 2016 at 06:05 am

I said it out loud actually at the start of the 2nd half. That first drive especially looked like the 2016 Packers. It seems for long periods every game, the Offense looks like it does the 1st week of the preseason. Like it's a struggle for every yard they gain or the right hand doesn't know what the left will do.

But while watching the last 3 plus minutes I felt EXACTLY like I did in the Playoff Game against the 49ers in 2013. In that game the 49ers drove right down the field, ate up the last 6 minutes, and there wasn't a damn thing the Packers could do about it. Sure Hyde could have made the interception, but every play after that was that helpless feeling.
Watching Ryan yesterday drive down the field yesterday gave me the same feeling. I'm watching the seconds click off hoping the Defense will make a play but the helpless feeling sinks in knowing they won't.

MM and DC can't make adjustments. They have a game plan coming in and it's that or nothing for 4 quarters.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 31, 2016 at 10:58 pm

"MM and DC can't make adjustments. They have a game plan coming in and it's that or nothing for 4 quarters."

You said it NP. Seems like they are the only group incapable of making in game adjustments. They know how to start a game but not how to finish. Someone needs to give them a halftime lecture. Just dont get it. I was amazed the team played so well until halftime with all the injuries etc. they were not only in a game nobody really expected them to be in, with a chance to seal it in the 2nd half and they let it slip away.

If they were good enough to be in the lead, they were good enough to win.

So frustrating to watch.

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Packer_Pete's picture

October 31, 2016 at 05:56 am

My takeaway is that the Packers are exactly who I thought they are, and that McCarthy is exactly who I think he is - when forced to improvise due to injuries or other reasons, the O game plan and creativity seems to be much improved. I am actually not looking forward to Cobb, Montgomery, Lacy, etc to return - while they certainly are better individually than what we've seen yesterday, it will also mean the return to the same O game plan and trotting out the same formations for the whole game as in the past.

What I am hoping for is a stop to the injuries at the CB position. But it looks like that is going to continue, and will derail this season...

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fastmoving's picture

October 31, 2016 at 09:44 am

not so sure if the O plays better with the injured guys back. maybe starks/cook would make a difference. but the O goes where AR is heading and what mm gameplan is. the D on the other hand will be improving with the injured guys back.........

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sheppercheeser's picture

October 31, 2016 at 06:19 am

We had no answer for Matty Ice. Yes, Julio was kept in check, but Ryan had no problem throwing to everyone else. Pretty good effort, GB was in the game, it was exciting to see the new young guns play ala Geronimo and Davis and loved seeing Rip carry the rock. I wasn't happy with the outcome, but I'll have to admit that it had an expected result.

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NickPerry's picture

October 31, 2016 at 06:41 am

McCarthy's and Rodgers record against teams with "Winning Records" is dismal though I tend to blame the Defense for that more than the Offense. I mean how many times has Rodgers put the Packers ahead in the 4th quarter only to see the Defense fold like a sheet. I'm TIRED of Dom Capers. Yesterdays loss is nothing new for Capers, he's used to giving up 4th quarter leads. Granted he was short his top 3 CB's and pass rusher but based on games before it may not have mattered.

The biggest concern I have is the Packers are 0-3 against teams that seem headed to the Playoffs, all NFC teams. When tiebreakers are used at the end of the season to determine who's in, who's out, the Packers right now are going to come up short to Atlanta and Dallas. They have a chance to even it up against Minnesota, but they could be another.

As good of effort Gunter, Allison, Davis, and other youngsters put in, "Moral Victories" won't get the Packers to the SB.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 06:52 am

I give Capers a pass for this game.

I would like to know how many other defenses would be able to overcome losses to their top 3 CB's and top pass rusher and one of the best defensive players.

I do wish at times he would be more aggressive though. They weren't getting much pressure on Ryan, so why not try and come up with a few blitzes to try and get to him.
But overall I don't pin this game on him.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 31, 2016 at 12:19 pm

When I saw the inactives list, on the road I figured they where screwed. I was impressed honestly to see them compete. I don't give Capers a pass per say on going soft with a lead. I hate it, but that's who he is. He's like 65 years old so he probably isn't going to change.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 02:35 pm

Yeah, i agree. I was impressed as well. I honestly went into the game thinking they were going to lose after I heard who was out.

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al bundy's picture

October 31, 2016 at 03:44 pm

Dallas lost two dbacks last night and won against a tough philly team. Time to stop the excuses. Dom has to go. Giving up to many points, no pass rush again this year, no pass defense. Why?

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dobber's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:52 am

"When tiebreakers are used at the end of the season to determine who's in, who's out, the Packers right now are going to come up short to Atlanta and Dallas. They have a chance to even it up against Minnesota, but they could be another."

I don't think that will matter because I think those three teams will all win their divisions. At this stage, playoff positioning is best accomplished by just winning. Worrying about jockeying for wild card positioning after 7 games seems a little futile. The teams they need to worry about in terms of WC stuff are mostly ahead of them on the schedule, not behind them.

"McCarthy's and Rodgers record against teams with "Winning Records" is dismal though I tend to blame the Defense for that more than the Offense."

I'll let my inner snark come out here: teams with winning records have winning records because they win more games than they lose. They beat the crappy teams and they beat some of the good teams...especially at home. By definition, most teams struggle against teams with winning records. That said, yesterday's game was a cherry they really needed to get (road game against an NFC opponent where you're leading by 6 in the final minute). Moral victories are nice, but when you put yourself in a position to win like that, you've got to find a way to make it happen.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 31, 2016 at 11:01 pm

"That said, yesterday's game was a cherry they really needed to get (road game against an NFC opponent where you're leading by 6 in the final minute). Moral victories are nice, but when you put yourself in a position to win like that, you've got to find a way to make it happen."

Yes

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 06:38 am

'Packers Question of the day - Takeaways from the loss'

My biggest take away from this game is that this will be a completely different team when the injured players come back. Not including the players on IR, the Packers played without Cobb, Montgomery, Cook, Starks, Mathews, Randall, Rollins. All of which could be considered starters.

Cobb and Montgomery combined last week for 21 receptions. 21 out of 39 receptions went to those 2 players. That's over 50% of the receptions that went to those 2 players. This week they weren't playing.
While Davis and Allison stepped up nicely, they still are at the bottom of the depth chart. And Cobb and Montgomery bring a different element that those other players don't.

Right now there is no threat at TE. Getting Cook back will alleviate that.

The CB's are so banged up right now that it is really limiting what Capers is doing schematically.

Mathews is our most explosive defensive player. He is the one player that could single handily blow up plays for the offense. Getting him back will help the pass rush.

It will really help the OL when Linsley comes back. Not for the starters but for the backups. Barclay had to come into the game again and every time he comes in, he allows pressures. Getting Linsley back will solidify the OL.

Getting injured players back will make this team look like a new team.

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carusotrap's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:40 am

"My biggest take away from this game is that this will be a completely different team when the injured players come back. Not including the players on IR, the Packers played without Cobb, Montgomery, Cook, Starks, Mathews, Randall, Rollins."

We spend an awful lot of time wondering when these players are coming back and talking ourselves into believing that "all we need is to get a few guys back."

But that's the NFL I guess, and it might be time to evaluate this team based who IS on the field rather than who we spend the season hoping will be on the field. To lose by one with that relatively motley bunch is really more than we could have reasonably expected.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 08:27 am

The biggest difference in yesterdays game was the loss of Cobb, Montgomery and Mathews. The other players we have played without. But those 3 we have had until yesterdays game.

Montgomery has become one of our biggest play makers on offense and Cobb has been for a while. To miss both of those players was a huge loss for our offense.

I honestly expected them to lose after hearing who we were going to be without. To be so close to winning honestly makes me feel a lot better about this team.

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fastmoving's picture

October 31, 2016 at 09:59 am

there is no big drop off at WR. adams got cobbs receptions, thats about it. when was the last time cobb made a lot of YAC or a play on his own. there was a reason why the offence looked in sync an AR had open receivers all day.

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dobber's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:47 am

"While Davis and Allison stepped up nicely, they still are at the bottom of the depth chart. And Cobb and Montgomery bring a different element that those other players don't."

It says something that when Cobb and Monty are back, it's likely that Allison won't even be active. While I was an Abbrederis fan, the writing was on the wall for him (this is for you DPF): he was too frail to hold up to an NFL pounding. I think Allison will give us much of what Abby would have in a sturdier body...but he's going to have to fight his way up the depth chart.

"The CB's are so banged up right now that it is really limiting what Capers is doing schematically."

Yesterday was "pick your poison" day against the Falcons: you could go after Matt Ryan and expose your inexperienced and undertalented DB corps or you could minimize your rush, rely on them getting to Ryan on effort, and try to help your DBs out. It's easy to look at how the Packers played and say they needed to get after Ryan, but I suspect the outcome wouldn't have been much different.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 08:54 am

I thought Allison would be a guy that could help in the redzone. That he did. He was pretty good in his debut.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 31, 2016 at 09:26 am

Caruso & Dobber,

I think or at least hope that some of our younger players are getting some experience and seasoning during this time. Eg.: I will feel much more comfortable with Gunter as our 3rd or 4th CB and being put up against WRs that work in his favor, like a Alshon or a possession receiver. ILBs got some more experience in coverage. Heck, maybe Brice can undertake a larger role going forward. Easily say the same for Geronimo, both Davis', Jackson, even Janis, and Jordy just getting stronger going forward. I hope that we'll be a better overall team later this season.

I would have liked to have seen Trevor and Janis run some shallow crossers. SD used Travis Benjamin (4.36 forty at the combine) on crossers all day to great effect against Atlanta. I've written for some time that I don't understand the clamoring for playing more TEs, at least if they are RR and Perillo. Cook easily has the talent to make a difference - just don't know how he'll mesh with AR and if he does, how long it will take.

Here's the link to video analysis of Atlanta's problem with shallow crossers.

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2016/10/27/13414594/film-review-being-overw...

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gavinwca's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:48 am

Why o wecontinue to have so many injured starting players, why can our players not get into shape before the season starts.

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Samson's picture

October 31, 2016 at 04:58 pm

RC
You must be dizzy the way you spin everything.
Nothing wrong with having an optimistic view but not at the expense of reality. --- Injuries are a part of the game.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 02:39 pm

I maybe dizzy. Can you bring be back to reality? Injuries are apart of the game, that you are correct.

Name another team missing their starting RB, backup RB, Starting TE, 2 of their top 4 WR's, Starting Center (Linsley was considered their starter), Top pass rusher, 3 Starting CB's... and are still winning games?

So when the Packers get back Montgomery, Cobb, Cook, Starks, Mathes, Randall, Rollins they won't be a different team? Please explain...

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Samson's picture

October 31, 2016 at 05:22 pm

You generalize too much. -- Starters only play first. This doesn't guarantee they will play significantly better than their replacements (especially in a single game). Plus, you've even created more missing starters than FOX did during the game. ----- You should mute your TV while watching. You sound like a parrot.

When everyone gets back??? -- You make it sound like everyone will get healthy and no one else will get hurt the rest of the season. --- Not going to happen. -- Again, this is a reality for all NFL teams, including the Pack.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 01, 2016 at 06:27 am

WTF are you talking about?
How did I create more starters?

"Not including the players on IR, the Packers played without Cobb, Montgomery, Cook, Starks, Mathews, Randall, Rollins. All of which could be considered starters."
Exactly what I said. How did I create more starters? Cobb, Cook, Mathews, Randall, Rollins were all opening day starters. Starks would be the starting RB if he wasn't hurt. (which he is the main backup because Lacy is on IR). Since Starks has been out Montgomery has been the starting RB.

I never said that no one else will get hurt. I don't have a crystal ball. But I do know all the players that are not playing right now (not including the players on IR) will be back at some point this season. They are starters therefore are the best players on the roster.
Injuries are a part of the NFL. I never talked about other teams in the NFL. I was strictly talking about the Packers team and how when they get back their players they will look like a different team. If you don't like what I say, don't read it.

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Lphill's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:02 am

Geronimo time !!!!!!

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Handsback's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:29 am

It seems that the game was closer then I thought it would be. The downside is the defense didn't/couldn't stop when they needed to. Yes I know missing players etc., that's why I didn't think they would be close. There needs to be a different mindset of close isn't good enough, but finishing is more important.

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October 31, 2016 at 07:42 am

Every year it is something, last year it was all of our receivers went out for one reason or the other. This year it's all of our cb's, and running backs. Next year it will be all of the what's. Why can this team not stay healthy, seems like the players are just not in shape when the season starts and the team always suffers from the players lack of conditioning.

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dobber's picture

October 31, 2016 at 07:54 am

I think you're going to find that most teams with established starters are doing virtually the same things as the Packers with regard to preseason play.

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Razer's picture

October 31, 2016 at 08:33 am

Great effort by the Packers. We did a lot with many missing pieces. Injuries aside, we have some gaps on this team that keep getting under my skin.

RCPackerFan put a finger on one of the biggest missing pieces - no TE. Draft guys who have speed or can block or have both abilities but don't draft guys who can't do either. Rodgers and Perrilo give us very little.

Did I see A.J. Hawk out there yesterday? We really haven't moved far from that ILB situation. Run defense outside the tackles is weak and down the middle is even weaker.

Jordy isn't the same guy. His giving up the first down was really dumb. Overall he doesn't have the pop and is not getting any separation.

Janis can't block. He is a good gunner but everything else is suspect. Doesn't know his assignment or can't execute the fundamental - I'm not sure but he misses way too much.

Still, the team fought hard and could have won if the defense showed a bit more grit.

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fastmoving's picture

October 31, 2016 at 10:14 am

they are faaaaaaaaaar away vom the AJ Hawk ILB Situation and Janis executed pretty good if something was thrown his way.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2016 at 10:21 am

The 2 positions that are really hurting the offense right now is RB and TE. They are very limited in what they can do. They have no rushing threat. Without Montgomery to mask the position it really hurt in this game.
With no TE, the offense is very limited.

Considering how limited the offense is and how the defense pretty much knows what the offense is going to do, the offense has been pretty good.

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fthisJack's picture

October 31, 2016 at 09:05 am

MM did make adjustments in the second half. he had rodgers under center for the first 2 drives that amounted to squat trying to get a running game going. they could have padded the lead with the 4 and 5 receiver sets that got them 24 first half points. MM is the teams worst enemy.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 31, 2016 at 09:36 am

Drive 1, 2nd half, we're in shotgun 6 times out of 7 plays. Punted
2nd drive, 2nd half: in shotgun 2 of 6 times. Punted.
3rd drive: in shotgun 13 of 14 times. TD
4th drive: in shotgun 4 out of 4 plays. Lost on downs.

We were in shotgun 83% of the time in the 2nd half, 80% of the time in the 1st half. Can't say being in shotgun more in the 2nd half than the first fits your narative, fthisjack.

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marpag1's picture

November 01, 2016 at 04:45 am

Totally agree, TGR. The "Rodgers under center" complaint is nonsense. Not only were there ridiculously few plays under center, but what exactly happened on those plays?

On the first drive, the one under center play was a four yard gain. Shotgun plays were for 0, 8. 4, 12, 0 and -8.

And on the second drive, the four plays under center went for 7, 0 ,14 and -1 yards. The two in shotgun plays went for -2 and -8.

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guzzi2000's picture

October 31, 2016 at 09:27 am

What bothered me the entire game was the lack of pressure on Ryan. Except for the one series where they were able to get back to back sacks Ryan was pretty much untouched.

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Razer's picture

October 31, 2016 at 11:01 am

Totally agree. With a depleted secondary some pressure on the QB would have been a difference maker. I'd like to think that Clay Matthews would be that difference but I haven't seen him do much lately. Seems our D-line is good against weak teams but average against the better teams. Need a little more horsepower especially when the game is on the line.

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October 31, 2016 at 03:49 pm

Datone jones, perry, daniels who they rave about, pennel all were uandled. These guys are not pass rushers and our line hackers couldnt cover a ten year old over the middle. Just a pss poor defense.

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October 31, 2016 at 05:27 pm

Daniels is not a pass rusher? You're a FOOL!

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October 31, 2016 at 09:58 am

My primary takeaway from the game is that we need our players back especially Cobb, Monty and Cook. Even one of those players would have made a difference in the result yesterday. My other take away is that Capers always tries to use coverage to stop an opponent's 4th quarter drive and almost always fails. Yesterday coverage wasn't working due to missing 3 starting CBs. He should have called some blitzes during the final drive to at least get Ryan to move and to try to force a bad throw and maybe get a pick or a sack. Instead we have Ryan on the field our slowest ILB covering a WR. Thomas or Brice should have been in that situation not to mention a safety over top behind him. Sometimes I just can't figure out what our coaches are thinking or what game they are watching. SMH. Thanks, Since '61

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October 31, 2016 at 10:18 am

Completely agree.. Getting Cobb, Montgomery, Cook, and Starks back on offense changes our offense. Getting Mathews and at least 1 of Rollins/Randall back on defense helps immensely.

I really don't get why Ryan was on the field. For sure Thomas should have been in there. If not like you said Brice.
The way Brice is playing, I would seriously consider putting him in as the Dime ILB.

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October 31, 2016 at 11:08 am

Completely agree with the completely agree. As the final Atlanta drive started I said (to myself) someone needs to make a play. A pick, a sack, a strip - something to stop them dead. Unfortunately, at this point, we don't have the difference makers in our secondary or linebacker. I think that Capers plays prevent hoping that the opponent makes the mistake rather than his players making the difference. Either way, we need some guys to step up.

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October 31, 2016 at 11:30 am

I said something similar as the final drive started they had to either get a turnover, or let them score fast to give Rodgers time to drive late. and obviously neither happened.
They came close 2 times on getting the turnover. Gunter came close, and Clinton-Dix had a chance.

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October 31, 2016 at 03:09 pm

There are no GUYS TO STEP UP! You have a bunch of average to below average players that are roster fillers, nothing more. There's no stars.

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October 31, 2016 at 10:00 am

OK, all you bright football minds. Tell me, how do you think you should adjust when you are playing almost 4th preseason game roster against best offense in the league and team that easily might be 7-1. Falcons lost 2 very close games, purely because they lack luck at the end of those 2 games... I would like to know that!

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October 31, 2016 at 03:22 pm

Croat - you adjust by sending some blitzes at Ryan. At least try to move him off his spot if you don't get the sack. I may have missed it but I don't think that we ran any CB or safety blitzes and few if any stunts with the DL. If you know going into the game that you are going to have trouble covering the Falcon's receivers then you know you need to get pressure on the QB. Try to force him into a mistake, make them adjust their blocking. Make them max protect. I'm not saying that the result would be different but you need to try, especially on the final drive. Due to our RB situation we adjusted the offense to pass on just about every down and it was good enough to win the game if the defense did their part. You just cannot allow Ryan to stand in the pocket unmolested especially in our current CB situation. We are currently as bad at CB as we were at safety back in 2013 before we drafted HHCD. I realize that it's due to injuries so help the CBs out by creating some pressure on the QB. Capers is an alleged master mind at bringing pressure, where was it on Atlanta's game winning drive. No Daniels, No Perry, No Peppers, pathetic. It's about making stops when it counts. Thanks, Since '61

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October 31, 2016 at 03:07 pm

They could not afford to gamble with 5-6 man pressures because their DB's and secondary are totally incompetent with 3rd stringers in starting roles, not that they were that great to begin with. Shields, Randall, Rollins, the only cover guy I'd really miss is Shields, but you know he's going to get hurt at some point during ANY game, so how much are you really missing?

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October 31, 2016 at 03:21 pm

Fin - if your coverage isn't working, which apparently you agree with, then you need to bring pressure to help the DBs out. The worst that would have happened on that final drive is that if Atl scored faster because the Packers were blitzing then Rodgers would have more time to drive for a game winning FG. We obviously needed to do something different because what we did failed miserably, again and as usual with Capers. Thanks, Since '61

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November 01, 2016 at 08:42 am

For most of the game I agree with you, but on Atlanta's last drive you either want quick score or no score. We should have blitzed heavily on that drive, but instead we chose the worst scenario.

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November 01, 2016 at 01:55 am

I have no answer, Croat. I don't think Capers had many enticing options: I saw none. With Peppers playing 36 snaps at OLB (45 total), and Perry 50 snaps, we got just 2 pressures or so from them, to go with 2 more pressures from Daniels. That isn't much. Capers' decision to routinely send only a 4 man rush (blitzed only 9.5% of the time per McGinn) didn't work. Even assuming for the moment that the Defense could afford to blitz, who would you send? The ILBs simply aren't very good blitzers. Nor is Hyde. Burnett is okay at it, and Dix is so-so, but they would be sorely missed in the secondary. Capers could have inserted Elliot or Jones, but there would be precious little disguise in that - neither of them can cover so they have to be there to rush. Actually, Perry and Peppers can't really cover except as a surprise either. Given how terrible Ryan and Martinez were in coverage against Atlanta, he might have used them to blitz. CM3 could have been inserted at ILB; he can drop into coverage or blitz up the middle, but he was inactive.

I actually had a back and forth on another site about what adjustments MM could have made. I didn't have much to offer, tbh. I would have tried Jackson at RB - some noted how AR made Atlanta pay for dropping so many into coverage and using so many DBs, but I would have liked to have seen a real halfback make Atlanta pay. I also would have liked to see Trevor Davis or Janis run shallow crossers more. AR only targeted the middle of the field about 8 times against Atlanta.

I don't really blame MM or Capers much for not making adjustments, but they do make a lot of money. Until someone offers up some ideas, I will chalk this up to lack of available personnel.

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October 31, 2016 at 12:19 pm

I not going to pick on the WRs or A-rod. I'm going to pick on the ILbs. and the pass rush. Guys look much slower than in camp. Ryan was calling the plays ,and there was to much switching of positions again. Ryan plays best next to mathews. And I thought martinez was suppose to replace Barrington? (He was calling the plays earlier.) I really thought Martinez had some trouble yesterday getting caught up in the blocking. I want Martinez to stay put. Ryan can move when Mathews moves. Someone please tell Moss to quit screwing up the Defense. Leave Martinez lone.

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October 31, 2016 at 01:17 pm

Whether it was Capers game plan or the effort the front 7, this loss can be attributed to very little to no pressure on Ryan. Missing your top 3 CB's coupled with no pass rush, most NFL QBs should have a fairly easy go of it. The DBs that are playing whoever they may be should shoulder some of the blame by not being able to close games out with what seem to be routine INTs.

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October 31, 2016 at 02:56 pm

The lack of pass rush hurt our secondary big time. Needed more from the front 7. They were overall quite disappointing.

Gunter played really well.

I was impressed with Allison and Davis. I honestly wasn't expecting much, but it was really nice to see them play well. Davis clearly needs to be out there more often.

Rip was a bulldozer and plowed for some tough yards. I miss Kuhn but I think he'll be a nice replacement.

TT cannot draft a TE to save his soul. Richard Rodgers is about as big of a disappointment as one can get. Outside of J-Mike we haven't had a game changing TE. No TE really hurts this offense.

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October 31, 2016 at 03:01 pm

time to cut capers loose.

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October 31, 2016 at 03:49 pm

Do ya think? This should have been done 3 years ago minimum. Every week there's some sort of blown coverage or schematic breakdown because it's all too complicated for a college educated football player to execute.

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November 01, 2016 at 01:30 pm

I know, Capers has dropped 10 INTs thus far. Cut him loose

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October 31, 2016 at 03:03 pm

Takeaways are simple.....the training staff, the coaches, more specifically the head coach, and whomever is responsible for getting players in football shape so they don't have 25% injuries to a 53 man roster on a weekly basis, should be fired. It's to the point of being totally ridiculous. I just don't understand why they put up with this in GB. Apparently they don't care because the stands are full and they can build their entertainment complex with all the cash they generate. What a total joke.

I used to get upset and intense watching games, now I just watch the Packers expecting the inevitable failure with 1st, 2nd and 3rd string players, because there's never any continuity. It's a total joke.

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October 31, 2016 at 03:59 pm

Just like a UFC fighter that doesn't evolve or adapt to the new generation of fighting falls to the bottom quickly, we are seeing a very talented NFL team with a coach that doesn't evolve or adapt, fall to the bottom. I hate the Patriots and their coach, but one has to admit he makes the best halftime adjustments and works with what he has. I love all the whining about injuries and how much better we will be after we get healthy. I call Bullshit on this. Patriots without Gronk and Brady and etc. and what do they do ? Win baby... It's coaching my friends... Just get over it until MM and TT are history so are the packers.

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October 31, 2016 at 04:06 pm

"Hey Dom -

Lets just let them walk down the field, like they have been doing all day, by rushing four and not attacking at the line of scrimmage. But this time, lets make sure they score with less than a minute left to take the lead for good. Sound like a plan? Ok, lets do it.

Mike"

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October 31, 2016 at 04:11 pm

Takeaways: TOO MANY PACKER FANS
1: ... are spoiled by the past years of success.
2. ... are delusional about how they know better than the professionals on the team.
3. ... think it's appropriate to point fingers at people when injuries occur in a violent sport.
4. ... whine when they lose, even if their team almost won against a healthy, top-offensive opponent.

Hmm...."spoiled, delusional, finger-pointing, whiners."
I guess I should have just said "Too many Packer fans behave like children."

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October 31, 2016 at 04:56 pm

Or maybe we just expect that our GM can find a serviceable #3 RB.

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October 31, 2016 at 05:09 pm

Seems like having a capable RB on hand for all 16 regular season games would be a high priority for any GM. --- Someone needs to mention it to TT.

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October 31, 2016 at 07:24 pm

Knile Davis let go. So that was fun. Don Jackson has looked like someone who belongs on the practice squad. James Starks is supposedly getting healthy enough to play, though James Starks coming off a knee injury is shudder worthy, given what he has looked like before he got injured this year.

Hears to hoping Ty Montgomery can stay on the field, cause if not, going to be a lot more games where #12 throws the ball 50 plus times.

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October 31, 2016 at 08:17 pm

It's called "fiasco".
What is incredible is that many of the issues GB has had over the past 5 years or so have been obvious, to even the novice fan. --- Yet, the "great" TT still does it "his way". -- It's easy to see why most of his assistants leave.

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November 01, 2016 at 05:41 am

Because, you know, Lacey, Starks, Cobb, Montgomery, Ripkowski, plus a practice squad developmental player "isn't deep enough." See my post above.

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November 01, 2016 at 06:35 am

Predicted a 14 pt loss. When they announced that Monty was out too, I had that "oh crap" feeling. Obviously the staff knew Monty wasn't going to be playing Sunday. The Pack did a very good job of almost winning this game, when in reality, it shouldn't have been close. But the Rodgers of old woke up, and actually looked like he was having a bit of fun. Then the same old problems bit them on the ass again. No pass rush. No tight end. No running game. Failure to play 4 quarters with enthusiasm. To many young, inexperienced players being asked to go up against good veterans. I have to say I am proud of the way they fought and made it close, and actually had the chance to win the game. Poor coaching decisions caused them to lose the game in the second half. Especially in the last two minutes. This further enhances my opinion that it is way past time to say "buh bye" to TT, MM, Capers and the rest of the staff. Let young Wolf take over as GM and get a new head coach and staff. It's going to take a few years to clean house. Matthews needs to be traded. Datone Jones needs to go. The running backs need a complete overhaul. Lacy could be fine if he loses 35 lbs and keeps them off. But I don't think he can. Yes, we need a power back, especially in November and December. But we need speed too. A speedster than can plant his foot, cut and go. Can catch out of the backfield. We can't run outside.

I see the 2 week experiment of Knile Davis is over. And no more Banjo playing in GB. Anybody think a trade could get done today? I doubt it. So we are back to one RB and FB again. You have Cobb with a bad hammy and Monty with Sickle Cell issues. Clouds are looking darker over Green Bay. The predicted easiest schedule in the league before the season no longer looks that way. Going to be a dogfight from now on every week.

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November 01, 2016 at 08:31 am

Right now, one key player we need back is Cook. This team is currently--for all intents and purposes--playing without a tight end.

With Montgomery and Ripkowski in the backfield and a WR core hitting its stride, adding Cook could give Green Bay an upper tier offense.

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November 01, 2016 at 08:42 am

completely agree!

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November 01, 2016 at 01:23 pm

WHen he did play they were playing without a TE. BOth he and Rogers are bums. They are there for blocking only. Its sad how poorly Ted picked TE prospects and picked up losers.

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November 01, 2016 at 01:21 pm

1. No pass rush. Where was Perry and Datone. Where was the pressure, the sacks. Not there.
2. When something works, you keep doing it until it doesn't work. Mike keeps changing things from that that worked to something else. His something else hasnt worked in three games now?
3. The dbacks being smallish in size are getting beat up by these big receivers. When does ted learn, 5'9 185 pounds may be cheap but your not winning super bowls with this brew. Didnt Goodson go down to.

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November 01, 2016 at 01:33 pm

Average height of all DB's- that includes safeties and corners- is 5'11 and 5/8ths.

Average weight is just under 200 lbs.

Just sayin'.

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November 02, 2016 at 07:56 am

RELAX! Did anyone think we'd go down to Atlanta and beat them with a depleted secondary? Jones and Sanu?
No viable running backs? Well, they damn near pulled it off. Had Adams run the right route, they would have pulled it off. The arrow is UP as key vets restock the team. Meanwhile, the Vikes have been exposed. Their offensive line and sagging offense will produce defeats as the season progresses. When it matters, the Pack will be in the mix.

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