Packers Need a GM That Can Win on Draft Day

Ted Thompson's method didn't fail he did. Now, the Packers need a GM that can win the draft again. 

For an organization that has been defined over the past decade by stability, there are a lot of unknowns right now surrounding the Green Bay Packers.

Essentially, for the 10 seasons, the leadership of the Packers has been CEO Mark Murphy, general manager Ted Thompson, head coach Mike McCarthy and quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

I know Rodgers has no input in the front office. Maybe he will this time, but he has still been the face of the franchise on the field. And now, two of those four people could be replaced.

Thompson has already been pushed out the door and depending on what happens in the search for a new GM, McCarthy could be out as well. As the legendary Bob McGinn reported, if Russ Ball is the next general manager, McCarthy might quit.

And if McCarthy, who got a one-year extension to avoid being a lame-duck coach, doesn’t win enough games in 2018, he will be fired too.

Of course the Packers aren’t the only team dealing with a bit of drama right now. The bombshell report dropped by ESPN about the dysfunction in Foxborough, has allowed the fight for power within the Packers to go a little unnoticed.

But make no mistake, the decisions made in the next few days could determine the success of the final 5-6 year run with Aaron Rodgers. So Murphy, who has done a tremendous job with the business side of things, needs to put his stamp football operations. It's one of the few football decisions he will ever have to make, but he's got to get it right. 

Murphy’s loyalty to Thompson and Thompson’s loyalty to McCarthy is a big reason the Packers have been so successful. It’s why they have made the playoffs nine of the last 11 years.

But the Packers were right to see that their organization has grown stale. And the truth is, Thompson’s method didn’t fail. He did. 

Thompson missed on too many draft picks, simple as that.

Thompson missed on too many draft picks, simple as that.

The problem wasn’t that the Packers signed too few free agents, it’s that they missed on too many draft picks. If Nick Perry was an All-Pro, there wouldn’t be as much of a problem. If Thompson had kept Micah Hyde and Casey Hayward, Green Bay would be better at corner. Hitting on Damarious Randall and Quinten Rollins would have helped too.

Many teams in the NFL passed on Alvin Kamara, but the Packers desperately needed a running back and had they drafted him in the second round, it could have changed their season and their fortunes. It’s just one example of many over the years.

Kevin King might still be a good player. But after a year of injuries, he’s another if-only guy and the Packers have way to many of those.

If-only he stays healthy, he will be great. Yeah, how many times have we said that about Perry or Matthews or King or whoever? I’m done with it.

The Packers need to start winning the draft again. That and only that will allow the team to build a Super Bowl contender. A few veteran free agents here and there will help, especially in the short term. But long term, the draft still has to be the lifeblood of this team. That’s how it works.

And Thompson, for as good a scout as he is, has just missed too much lately. Kenny Clark was a solid pickup, but he’s not a pass rusher. Mike Daniels is good, but he’s not Aaron Donald. This team is filled with good players, but only one great one and that’s clearly not enough.

Green Bay is starving for difference makers, on both sides of the ball and with the 14th pick, they have a good chance to get one. Now, they just need to find a GM that won’t screw it up.

My vote has been and will continue to be for Eliot Wolf. He’s going to be a general manager in the NFL, with the Packers or somebody else soon and in my mind, you shouldn’t let someone that talented get away.

He knows personnel and maybe with him around, the Packers can keep Russ Ball. I don’t know exactly how those dynamics will work.

But I know that Green Bay needs a football guy to run the front office, because with time running out on Rodgers, this team cannot afford to squander anymore opportunities. Not when it comes to the NFL's annual selection meeting. 

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Chris is a sports journalist from Montana and has been blogging about the Packers since 2011. Chris has been a staff writer for CheeseheadTV since 2017 and looks forward to the day when Aaron Rodgers wins his second Super Bowl. Follow him @thepackersguru

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Hematite's picture

January 07, 2018 at 06:47 am

I simply cannot stomach the idea of Russ Ball being the General Manager.
It's never a good idea to put a bean counter in charge of anything but counting beans.
The Packers need a real football guy in the GM position and in my humble opinion Eliot Wolf is a young man who fits the bill.

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canadapacker's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:12 pm

Not to worry - Gutsey got the job.

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Turophile's picture

January 07, 2018 at 02:16 pm

Huge amount of ignorance over Russ Ball, shown on this site by you and many others.

He might have been a great GM, he might have been awful, but far too many fans have fallen in love with the words bean-counter. None of us ever really had the kind of information we need, to make a good choice between Ball, Gutekunst and Wolf.

I really liked what i heard about Ball, though that was never enough to come to any kind of informed decision.

One thing I did really like, was that Gutekunst was rumoured to be knocking it out of the park, in GM interviews. Doesn't make him a good GM, but it's encouraging. Rumour had it that he was the candidate to succeed as GM with the 49ers, until the Packers persuaded him to stay.

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January 07, 2018 at 06:54 am

The Packers don't need Ted Thompson 2.0 as GM. If they can nail this draft, they can be right back in the thick of things.

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NickPerry's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:41 am

The Saints basically NAILED their top 5 picks and now are in the playoffs. Lattimore and Kamara have been games changers but Ryan Ramczyk and Marcus Williams have had almost as much to do with the turnaround as the other two. When you factor in their first 3 picks last year you have the reasons why the Saints are where they are today. Playing in the Playoffs at home WITHOUT Brees needing to do it himself.

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GBPDAN1's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:11 am

When I heard the rumors about Russ Ball being a possible front runner, I became confused and then angered. This just can not transpire. If the rumors of MM saying he would resign if Ball became GM are true, then I just became a big MM fan.

Simply put, Russ Ball can not be hired as GM of this team. We would be going backwards from TT being GM. I'd rather give a 2019 2nd rd pick to Seattle for John S. then to give the job to Ball.

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canadapacker's picture

January 07, 2018 at 11:55 am

I kind of agree with you. However the GM needs to manage the football operations and staffing of the on the field product. Other people manage those other things. Ball needs to help manage the salary cap and the contract negotiations. I think that these two guys ( TT and Ball) have been responsible for a lot of the success of the Packers. However lately they have become overly cost conscious and that has resulted in a whole bunch of good to above average Packers playing for other teams. Last year is an prime example and if you have a draft and develop philosophy you should be willing to pay market value on the second contract. Too many times they have either cut impending free agents or have failed to resign guys. Even the Lang and Sitton moves seem counterproductive considering their performance with their other teams and our lack of well rounded backups. One must turn over one's roster but you need to draft really well to do that. That is up to TT and Ball. That is why I do not favor Ball. I do not care whether AR and MM do not want Ball as GM, they are NFL ( Not For Long) more than a GM will be. I am concerned that a bad GM selection will lead us back into the wilderness after AR is long gone. Now there is a lot of Fake news out in the sporting world, writers get paid for getting their stories reported on and if they get an idea they can puff it up into a major thing. Just because you scream at your kids one morning for not picking up their toys doesnt make your house a crazy place and that you dont love your kids. But a writer will embellish this to the nth degree to sell the story to ESPN. So hopefully we will trust Murphy to make the correct decision on behalf of the organization.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:16 am

Some one please give me a positive basis for believing that Ball is the person best placed to capitalize on the last part of Rogers’ career and bring back the Lombardi trophy?

I just do not see this as being an improvement on TT. In fact, I fear it means TT’s legacy is intended to be preserved for another decade and more, but with a less direct link between player assessment and the ultimate roster decision maker.

If true, unless Ball has a stellar off season in terms of roster improvement through the draft AND other means, followed by a very successful season (i’d say super bowl appearance) I believe that it will be Murphy and Ball who may be out before MM (if the BOD still exists in anything but name).

There will be no honeymoon for this choice if true. If we lose Rogers or McCarthy at some point, Murphy will have singlehandedly gutted the organization.

For a team with a future HoF QB in place that beggars the imagination (even if you are a fire McCarthy type). Best way to lose Rogers. Well at least that will reduce salary cap pressure.

Dammit Murphy, show a little nerve and fight for Schneider or take a risk on a more aggressive person while we have Rogers. I assume this is a comfort thing for you, but that is the worst reason in the world in these circumstances and, actually, the most likely to backfire on you.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:41 am

Well said mostly.

But #1, you did it 4 or 5 times so it's not a typo. His name is Rodgers. Not Rogers. He's earned the right for us tonspell it right. My 2nd graders can. Just 7 letters

#2, I like Schneider too and he should have fought to get that "out" clause in his recent contract.

#3, He's not worth any compensation above maybe a 6th, or 5th Rd pick. So if that's not enough, forget him.
He was unproven at one time too. Like Eliot Wolf is.
Wolf is ready. It's his time. If anyone has ever beem groomed for this role, and now, it's Eliot. With him, we'll also be getting things that his father has learned.
Like not passing on premium special talents like Randy Moss. Wolf blew that and he admitted it.

Free agents don't have to be 1-year patches.
Woodson was for a out 7 years.
Peppers should have resulted in a Super Bowl year 1, if Bostick had juat hit Chris Mathews as instructed. We had 3 good years with Peppers.
Tramon was signed from Houston. Long tenure for us.

Right now, there are a handful if UFA TE & CBs who I promise you are A) better than any who will be taken in Rd 3 or lower, B) more seasoned, C) 26 years old or younger.
They won't be expensive, we can afford 3, 4, 5 or more.

There's no premium HOF talent available as an UFA, like Woodson, Reggie, Peppers. But there are plenty of guys who can make this team instantly better and deeper.
That matters, especially in Nov, Dec, & January.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:15 am

I confess I screwed up my auto correct through hamfisted tapping. Alas my typing skills are deficient. Sorry Mr. Rodgers :)

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John Kirk's picture

January 07, 2018 at 10:05 am

It's Eddie Lee Ivery, not Ivory. I wouldn't care but when you went off on someone for not spelling 12s last name correctly, it's a bit ironic that your moniker is not spelled correctly.

Give Eddie Lee the respect of spelling his name correctly.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:25 am

Chris, I lost you after your remark: " If Thompson had kept Micah Hyde and Casey Hayward, Green Bay would be better at corner. Hitting on Damarious Randall and Quinten Rollins would have helped too."

Do you ever consider Salary Cap and future needs of the team when you explicite request containing one or more player(s)...

So far, fans darlings for FA signing showed nothing but failure wherever they signed. I do not read one request to sign FA who was later picked by Belichik, but still fans request to sign like Belichik do... Also, can you honestly say how much is Tom Brady salary and what is his salary positioon in Patriots salary cap?

I will go no further... This article is more knee jerk reaction from you, than well prepared job...

Sorry, but this is my opinion on subject...

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ChrisPeterson's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:06 am

You must not understand the Packers cap situation very well. They always have money. That's NEVER an issue. They didn't think Hayward and Hyde were worth keeping. Hayward got a cheap deal. It was just bad evaluation. Pure and simple.

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John Kirk's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:35 am

Hayward was oft injured and some of those injuries were very questionable leading to speculation he just didn't want to play. He had a hammy issue that lingered and lingered and lingered. He was never right.

I was for not keeping him around, not for lack of talent, I loved his talent, but his availability was poor, at best.

Ted went out and drafted Randall and Rollins in anticipation of Hayward's departure after his rookie deal. His poor choices in Randall and Rollins really made Hayward's departure look terrible. It still looks terrible, regardless, but even moreso with the failings of our 2 high picks.

That simple move not only cost us 1st and 2nd picks wasted, but it cost us a probowl CB, so, in essence, 3 moves behind stuck with two underperformers in Randall and Rollins and missing Hayward.

Ted got it very wrong in all 3 instances. I think DR's play at the end of the season was okay. Looked great by the standard we're used to from him. If Randall and Rollins were both playing great and King looked good nobody would be lamenting Hayward. We lament because we're awful at CB. That is Ted's fault.

Oh, an aside...it's also Ted's fault we paid over 20 million to OLB's to not have a pass rush. We also drafted Biegel, again, to not have a pass rush. We have 3 guys, again, who are failing. 20 million down the drain and a 4th rounder last year, after passing on Watt, to desperately need pass rushers from the draft or FA? At WR, paid 24 million to Nelson and Cobb yet to feel forced to overpay Adams, and have WR be a glaring hole for us. It got even better when it was confirmed our WR's are the slowest in the NFL. No wonder they never separate. We have so much money tied into the BIG or is it SLOW 3 that WR is a huge need. How can this be and how can anyone pine for Ted Thompson or view him favorably? He was a disgrace to this org both personally and professionally.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 07, 2018 at 11:54 am

OK. I do not understand, probably...

But it looks like that some trades are always mentioned when someone need to spit on Ted Thompson. I just hope for the sake of Packers and Packers fans that TT replacement will be better than TT or at least keep same level of excellence.

I really strongly hope that fans will not look at this period with longing...

And, regard Randall & Rollins, it looks like TT hit, not miss picks with them. But, they were injured a lot. Also, it looks, at the end, that Randall was pissed off because other players was less focused on playing for the team and that all missunderstandings were coming from that reason.

I also remember "CUT THE DAVANTE ADAMS" movement in Packers Nation through last 2 years. Mighty evaluators...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 08, 2018 at 01:09 am

I hope that Chris understands that the mis-evaluation on Hyde was not about his talent, but on Capers, and by extension, MM. Once TT/MM decided not to fire Capers, the decision to let a CB walk who wasn't going to play more than 450 to 500 snaps for your team was a lot easier. At any rate, it is the conclusion I drew, though I expected Hyde to garner a significantly larger contract. That gave me pause, since $5M AAV for a veteran contributor was a much more difficult decision.

So yeah, I blame MM, the last coach standing, so to speak.

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January 08, 2018 at 06:28 am

Agreed. Hyde's departure was a coaching mistake in mis-using him for years, not a front office mistake in not paying up.

The choice to play MD Jennings at Safety over Micah Hyde during Hyde's rookie year was a huge coaching mistake that is still rippling through 1265. Besides Jennings awful play that year, It led to the drafting of HHCD and Hyde's eventual departure to being 2nd team All-Pro in Buffalo.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:30 am

All true. Absolutely.... the only bone to pick here is even mentioning Alvin Kamara "what if".
I personally drafted him in my auction league as I knew the guy was talented & I knew Sean Payton & Drew Brees knew how to showcase a RB with WR skills & quickness like that.
Aaron Jones can do the same stuff as Kamara!
And Jamaal Williams is Larry Johnson version2 out there. Those were 2 great draft picks.

As bad as TTs drafting has been, the biggest problem has been the physicality (or lack thereof) of the defenses. They're soft. They have mental breakdowns all the time. How many times have you seen our DBs come in for a tackle & end up hurt? We never deliver pain. We always end up in pain, & out if the game.

From Shields concussing himself vs Dallas when he had a free shot on a Cowboy to pummel him on the sideline 3 years ago, and he ended up concussing himself.
Rollins, Randall (hoop & baseball guys) and House hurt themselves on half their tackles. Morgan Burnett is always hurt.
Haha avoids physical contact if possible.....

Is it drafting nice guys? Avoiding character risks & picking too many choir boys?
Is it a strength & conditioning issue?
Was it because Capers is soft, old, half asleep?

I don't know what it is, but I know I would be thrilled to see a Packers defense as physical & fast as the Falcons last night under former Packer Marquand Manuel.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:19 am

How much of the tackling approach and willingness is on the Defensive Coordinator and his staff? That’s one of the areas I am hoping a new DC will improve.

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ChrisPeterson's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:08 am

No way is Jones in the same league as Kamara, not even close. And Williams is not Larry Johnson. This is an example of over valuing players.

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Since91's picture

January 07, 2018 at 02:40 pm

I agree
Here is what needs to happen...start signing guys that are not afraid to get dirty.....that are not looking for their next pay day (Dix) after his rant the other day I would cut him!
Sign the unheralded free agent who wants to put his body on the line and wants to win!

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NickPerry's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:32 am

The ripple effect of this hire will effect this team for the next 7 to 10 seasons at least, Mark Murphy's decision will tells us whether it's a positive or negative ripple.

Since the Packers don't seem to do anything quickly, hiring Ball would be at a minimum a 4 or 5 year mistake, and that's just to get him out of the GM position. Maybe I'm taking a bit of a dramatic approach to this but it sure FEELS like Murphy is going to screw this up. Thompson was FIRED as the Packers GM. Fired, moved aside, whatever you want to call it, he SHOULDN'T have any input whatsoever over who the Packers hire. Yet it seems he's still driving the car even though his licence should have been taken away years ago!

His drafts have put this team in a deep hole because the talent just isn't there. No longer do we have a top WR group. We still don't have a TE and now we need a whole right side to the O-Line. The defense is still a mess and he's been using all the Packers top picks on that for YEARS! How anybody has continued to support Thompson when all you have to do is look at his drafts is just shocking to me. But if you still insist on supporting him, then just look at the Packers after Rodgers injury. Been saying it for years, the Packers are a 2-14 or 4-12 team without AR.

The Packers have the PERFECT man already in place to take over as GM and that's Wolf. This team has mucked up the draft so badly over the last 5 years for the most part they NEED a guy who knows personnel. I highly doubt Ball goes anywhere if Wolf is named GM so you still have your "Cap Guru". But if Ball is named GM then everybody bails and what do you have left? You have Thompson and Ball. The SAME jackasses who put the Packers in this position in the first place.

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Houndog's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:41 am

Another great call NIck,
Keeping Thompson and Ball together within the organization is to CONTINUE allowing the lunatics to run the asylum.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:49 am

It must be Sunday. Preach NP

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:59 am

Yeah, for the meek shall inherit the earth. If there ever was a time to speak it is before not after. Preach on because, however ineffectual, silence is submission.

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NickPerry's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:03 am

LOL.... Am I getting TO carried away again??

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DD's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:00 am

Nick Perry: You're always injured nick. What gives? Big mistake with your contract capcake! As far as Wolf, could be but no. Insiders are too entrenched in current system and font have the vision to change. Go outside Pack! Schneider hard!!!! Screw seattle.

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NickPerry's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:06 am

If Murphy went after and got Schneider that would be huge but I can't see the Packers giving up ANY draft picks to get him, not with Ted Thompson STILL in Murphy's ear.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:21 am

Murphy is the boss on paper. If you are right and he is not in reality then he should not be around at all.

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January 07, 2018 at 09:06 am

I’m with you NP, if Ball is chosen as the GM, Rodgers window in GB slammed shut. Which would be an absolute travesty.

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NickPerry's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:42 am

More food for thought should Ball be named GM the Window would be slammed shut.

After Highsmith left he made a comments that frankly scares the hell out of me.

He said "It's nice to be going to a place where I'm trusted".

WTF!!!!! Did Thompson not trust the other people who worked FOR him? That just sounds absolutely CRAZY to me, especially coming from a man who had been with the Packers 19 years. I guess we know why the Packers drafts have SUCKED so much for the last 5 years.

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John Kirk's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:41 am

I could've almost typed that myself, NP. Kudos.

My only issue is Eliot Wolf. I once was a proponent of his but he's as much an unknown as anyone who has never been a GM.

At this stage of Rodgers career we can't go Ted Thompson dollar store approach and just basically add Joe Kerridge from the PS. We need to do off the field what we lament never happens...add a gamechanger in FA. John Schneider is that gamechanger in FA. He loves this team and is a proven commodity but does have his holes just like anyone.

It's too late in the game to guess if Eliot, Brian or god forbid Russ is going to be a contender or pretender to the throne. Schneider has been a king. Eliot may be a prince but I'd rather not take the chance on the prince and have another proven King with 3 years of max Aaron Rodgers left.

Not sure Murphy or most of the base realizes how much this clock is ticking or how loud. It's down to the end. Do or do not. There is no try.

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January 07, 2018 at 11:45 am

Got that Yoda bit at the end.

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Houndog's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:38 am

Great article Chris,
We've needed those difference makers for a while, and leaders, another "Charles Woodson type".
However, what you might have missed is that the Murphy loyal to Thompson, Thompson loyal to McCarthy thing is still a big part of all this.
Maybe more scary is what seems to be a Murphy/Thompson loyalty to Russ Ball when others within the organization seem to (according to reports) feel otherwise. To me it almost looks like Ball is their security blanket of sorts, a "guard the money at all costs" kinda' guy, whereas McCarthy and Rodgers, who we hope are more interested in WINNING have expressed their preference to go in a different direction. Hmmm!
I certainly don't want a GM that buries the Pack in 'Salary Cap Hell', but A GM that can (unlike Thompson) use all the tools, i.e., the draft, free agency, and trades to build a winner is a necessity.
I think it takes a 'football/personnel guy' to do that, and not a bean counter!

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January 07, 2018 at 08:01 am

"To me it almost looks like Ball is their security blanket of sorts, a "guard the money at all costs" kinda' guy, whereas McCarthy and Rodgers, who we hope are more interested in WINNING"

On the money Houndog. Murphy and Ball's main responsibilities and concerns are money. The product on the field is a distant 2nd as long as the Packers are profitable which in today's NFL is impossible not to be. Now we have MM and AR expressing their feelings about Ball. Feelings so strong one would rather actually quit a $8 million gig instead of working for him. Mike McCarthy knows EXACTLY how Ball will run this organization. Unless the Packers draft him, they won't be getting a player via trade or FA and THAT'S a huge problem. Especially with the current roster the way it is.

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Donster's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:37 am

If McCarthy has threatened to quit if Ball takes over as GM, and MM follows through on that threat, and gives up $8 million from the Packers, MM will be hired within a few days and get more than that 8 million. So is some ways, if he indeed threatened to quit, and Murphy wants him around, then MM has some leverage. My guess that Ball doesn't care if MM quits or not. He may fire him just for spite, since the word seems to be they no longer get along.

This GM thing is just like trying to keep the best guys on the roster. You have two good candidates in Wolf and Gutenkust. One won't be there, or both won't be there if Ball gets the job. If Wolf or Gutenkust gets the job, the one of them will be gone, and I bet Ball stays on, because Murphy will give a big raise and some kind of new title, along with what is is currently doing.

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DD's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:54 am

Ball is a TT, but without any scouting experience. Go outside for GM. Tired of this loyalty BS. It's about winning. Also, go after J. Graham, 31, but a solid buy for Rodgers. Keep R. Rodgers. Release Kendricks. Reduce contracts for Matthews, Cobb, Nelson if they wish to stay. Number one priority is a fierce pass rusher or two!! Fresh legs and pressure will improve our secondary, as will a new defensive coordinator. In drafting look at skill set, but also look at desire, brain training, motors and HEART!

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 07:55 am

Croat, this isn’t about specific free agents. All teams miss on recruitment. Rather it is about the culture of the team.

Appointing Ball, a strength and conditioning man who spent 95% of his career as an accountant sets a tone for the whole organization in terms of approach and what drives decisions: football or financials.

We’re the packers in financial distress their might be a valid reason for building such a culture. They are not. Were the Rogers era to have ended without a successor, this might also have some logic.

However, we have perhaps the best QB to have played. It is obvious that, over the last 5 years, the TT approach has not worked out. It is not just a coaching thing, we haven’t been able to put together a strong enough roster (pre injuries) to really justify a credible Super Bowl claim unless solely because of Rogers’ presence.

GB has a few more years of Rogers to climb the Super Bowl Mountain. We need a GM committed to doing so and at least trying to put us over the edge talent wise.

Managing the cap now is secondary. Once Rogers’ career ends the cap will open up considerably simply by his departure. That assumes he will stay to the end if not given the tools or a coach he is comfortable with.

Once Rogers goes, the chances are massively stacked on us being a completely different team. Lightning struck for us getting Rogers to replace Favre. Look at the struggles other teams have to find a decent QB and how few good ones there really are. Look at the period before Favre. Look at where we might be if Wolf had played it safe rather than tossing a first rounder for Favre.

Right now, of all times, a finance led culture is an anathema. IF Murphy chooses to go that way, we are building the wrong culture for our current reality.

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NickPerry's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:03 am

Nice post Coldworld, I agree with you 100%. The Packers have Aaron Rodgers under contract for the next 2 seasons for sure. I suppose they could use the franchise Tag on him in 2020 if he didn't resign but for the next 2 years the Packers have him.

IMO the Packers need to look at it that way. They need to try and do everything they can within reason to surround Rodgers with enough pieces to get to the SB. The question will be is the Packers front office WILLING to do what it takes. If they hire Ball I have a feeling the answer is a resounding NO. If they were to hire an actual "Football Guy" like Wolf, like Schneider, or even like Gutekunst, I think were closer to that SB or at the very least I think they'd try.

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January 07, 2018 at 11:15 am

I have no idea who is voting you guys down, it’s lunacy on here. You guys hit it on the head we need football people in the front office. This is the most important draft, bar none, since the drafting of Rodgers. We need to hit on at least 2 picks that turn into impact players. I for one don’t think Ball with TT pulling the strings behind the scenes is going to get it done. Wolf/Schneider or bust.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 07, 2018 at 12:20 pm

There's been a phantom -1 voter here for years, SK. There are also several fans at APC and CHTV who (IMO unbelievably) still adhere to a strict draft and develop philosophy.

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NickPerry's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:01 am

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Randy Malueg's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:04 am

TT drafted 36 defensive players in the first 4 rounds of the draft (the meat of the draft) with that he found 2 pro bowl picks - Matthews(overhill now) and Dix.

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Spock's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:08 am

"leaving McCarthy to make decision whether he wants to continue coaching #Packers or not." So this is the big McGinn comment that a lot of people are basing their idea that MM doesn't like RB?! Really, ANY GM that Murphy hires would require MM to decide if he prefers to work for them. Since it's McGinn (my personal opinion based on reading him for years is that he is biased against Packer management) there's some innuendo that MM would want to leave but this is much ado about nothing. Personally I prefer a scout/personnel guy to be the GM, but I'm not going to say that RB (if he ends up being the guy) is doomed to failure as a GM. The one article I read about him a year or so ago painted him as a hard working, driven man who is well respected by agents who have to deal with him across the league and he wants to succeed. That doesn't strike me as attributes of someone who will automatically fail if given a chance. I like Eliot, the blood line is there and he is by all accounts as much of a personnel/scout as his father (he wrote his first scouting report at age 14). If he were to be the new Packers GM and I would be happy, but there's no more certainty that he would succeed than that Ball would fail. Let's see where this all goes before people tie themselves in knots over a decision we're not having any input in anyways. Go Packers!

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Houndog's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:09 am

Maybe its just me,
But from what I read ALL the other teams searching for new GM's are concentrating their efforts on Personnel Guys while those same articles list Ball as Murphy's front runner.
But then Murphy seems more interested in the bottom line than in winning. The Green Bay Packers are a Football Organization!

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:26 am

I think Murphy is choosing a person who is no threat to him if he choses Ball. A more strident character might be a treat and upset Murphy’s apple cart. For me a Ball appointment would indicate Murphy’s interest has won out over Super Bowls. No risk, no reward, but no boat rocking either :(

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 08, 2018 at 01:24 am

Actually, I can see Russ Ball as president and CEO of the Green Bay Packers and a member of the executive committee/BOD. Just kidding - I know what you mean.

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Handsback's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:16 am

I wish I knew what to look for in a good GM. I don't. The problem as I see it (and I think it's 100% correct, but you decide) is Green Bay hasn't been able to keep up with the needed talent to keep themselves in the playoffs. Now if we use the NO example, Lattimore was a great prospect and went very early in the draft. Green Bay doesn't pick there...they pick late almost all the time. Lattimore and players like him aren't at Green Bays slot when drafted (there are exceptions but maybe one out of every three drafts). Kamara is another good player. If TT had used a 1st round pick on that guy, every poster on this board would have murdered him in print especially considering how he picked up RBs in the later round.
So now we have a guy whose father was a great GM...does that mean he's a great GM? We have two other guys internally that seem to be able to handle the GM position but nobody knows for sure but generally people want a scout verses a money guy. I would too, except those guys are hard to get and maybe the ones easy to get aren't good enough.
If TT had a fault it was with FA and not enough impact players. He didn't want to take a chance on an impact guy if he had an injury issue. Lawson from Auburn is the perfect example. He could have had him, but passed along with many others for more steady players that seemed to be healthy. Did TT know King's and Biegel's injuries were as bad as they were? I don't know, but before we dismiss King and Biegel as no impact guys give them a few years.
If they come on strong and the draft produce another playmaker...we all might be hailing the new GM.

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Houndog's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:27 am

Hansback,
"before we dismiss King and Biegel as no impact guys give them a few years. If they come on strong and the draft produce another playmaker...we all might be hailing the new GM."
Or, we might be bitching that after their rookie contracts were up Russ Ball let them walk in Free Agency, not an unseen thing in GB.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 08, 2018 at 01:49 am

I think one of TT's weaknesses was when he tried to re-sign his own players. The offers he apparently made to Jennings and Raji would have been really bad for the team. Hawk was terrible. Cobb and Brad Jones were pretty bad. Perry is looking dubious, though there is time. Chillar and CM3 were so-so. There are good ones too: Bakh, Sitton, Lang, Nelson, Burnett, Daniels and AR. Now for the first time really there are the ones he let walk but probably should not have: Hayward, Hyde, and Peppers (though I think he wanted to play in Carolina and wasn't open to returning), maybe Tretter, (some would add Lang, but not me).

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CJ Bauckham's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:24 am

I've read a couple times that Ted has been grooming Ball on player evaluation and that Ball has been more involved in personnel decisions the last couple years.

Haven't the last 2 drafts been better? Didn't we sign a bunch of mid tier free agents this past off-season?

Perhaps that is Ball's influence. Perhaps not. But I've seen no one mention or even consider that possibility. But if it is.. we might not be as bad off as the majority of posters here seem to think we'll be

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Houndog's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:35 am

CJ,
Maybe you're right, and maybe it was/is Ball's influence.
But with other teams searching for GMs focusing their interests on GB's personnel guys I'd have to wonder about that.

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CJ Bauckham's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:56 am

Oh absolutely. Ball wouldn't even be my first choice, to be perfectly honest. I'm just a little surprised and overwhelmed by the 'sky is falling' mantra surrounding him at the moment

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:37 am

None of us, or any authors at Cheeseheadtv know enough about Ball, Wolf and Gutenkust to say for sure whether they be successful or not. We don't know who pushed to draft all of the busts they drafted since 2010 and we don't know who didn't want to sign any free agents.

It could be Ball said, "well we have X mil to spend on free agents right now", and TT ssid no way. It could be that TT didn't want Carl Bradford and those two guys convinced him.

Too many people around here are acting like absolutists about things when they couldn't possibly know enough details.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:46 am

You could be right although all the chatter indicates quite the opposite. Moreover, opting for finance over scouting and personnel strongly implies a governing culture focused on the long term. In my opinion that is exactly not what is called for given who we have at QB and where he is in his career.

I prefer to address these perceptions rather than simply hope for the best.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 07, 2018 at 10:08 am

Having Ball as GM and Gutenkust as VP of personnel is a model that could work quite well. With the talent guy actually freed to do the talent work and leave the boring numbers to Ball.

I'm not advocating it. Just saying it's not some garunteed horror show.

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Handsback's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:26 pm

True as rain in a thunderstorm! I know Green Bay hasn't had a lot of success in free agency, but they have to make greater strides in player improvement by way of the draft. The new GM is going to have to perform there or find another one in 5 years.

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Handsback's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:26 pm

True as rain in a thunderstorm! I know Green Bay hasn't had a lot of success in free agency, but they have to make greater strides in player improvement by way of the draft. The new GM is going to have to perform there or find another one in 5 years.

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dobber's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:37 pm

AMEN, BROTHER!!!

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stockholder's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:35 am

This is on Murphy. He wants HIS MAN. The outside the organization, is BS. It's between Wolf and Ball. Murphy wants Ball. The fans want Wolf. (If Wolfs old man can bring back the Packers, He can.) TT and Murphy only want to pad their pockets. The winning is not the top priority. With Wolf it would be, and they know it. MM knows it. The talk of A-rod's input ended with the hiring of Phibin. I doubt wolfs input was used in everyone of TTs drafts. Especially with Boyd, Trotter and Hayward leaving. (Thats money) It's on Ball and TT. Wolf wanted to leave and so did others. There being blocked and all know it. Someone is to big for these guys wanting to stay. And thats TT. Wolf is going to do whats right. Ball will not. Money will go to flash in the pans and let the bread and butter guys leave. I said TT has sabotaged this team from winning. Murphy is sabotaging WOLF.

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Lphill's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:40 am

I am more concerned with who will be the next defensive coordinator. This is where we need success .

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:54 am

You have to get the GM first can't hire the defensive coordinator unless you have a GM involved in it

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:57 am

MM hires the coaching staff.

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dobber's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:38 pm

TT is still the GM until his replacement is hired. Murphy said so on Tuesday.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:48 am

A defensive coordinator needs players. The GM controls who we recruit and by what means and how long we keep them. A bad FO will kill even the best coaching career.

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nostradanus's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:41 am

Murphy knows he has to get this right, but I can't help but think Thompson is sitting in his bat cave pulling the puppet strings on this one. The Packers need to:
*Shuffle Thompson out the door and change the locks.
*Tell Big Mike to stay out of it or Pack his bags and move his substantial Azz out the door.
*Wait until the playoffs are over and hire the BEST personal man available no matter how long it takes.
*Keep Russ Ball doing what he does best, negotiating contracts.
*Hire a completely new training staff, there were way too many hamstring and groin injuries this past season, those can be minimized with proper hydration, training and stretching.
*This will be Murphy's legacy (other than the sledding hill) he doesn't want to screw this one up, well he already has by allowing Thompson to lurk in the dark shadows of Lambeau and giving Big Mike a say-so in who the next GM will be. Note to Mike: your a coach dude, so coach and shut the hell up.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:52 am

If you are correct, then Murphy has no business holding the position he does because he would have shown himself to be the tool of others rather than the decision maker shaping our future.

This is the biggest decision the team President is called upon to make. If the President is making it in the thrall of others, he is unfit for the office.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:52 am

If you are correct, then Murphy has no business holding the position he does because he would have shown himself to be the tool of others rather than the decision maker shaping our future.

This is the biggest decision the team President is called upon to make. If the President is making it in the thrall of others, he is unfit for the office.

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OldTimer's picture

January 07, 2018 at 08:45 am

I agree that the new GM should have a scouting background, but what I am not hearing anything about is what new scouts they are looking to hire or promote. Has anyone heard anything on this? Does anyone have the knowledge of our scouting department and its structure to write an article on this topic?

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abad467's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:10 am

Hiring Ball is a business move. Hiring Wolf is a championship move. #GPG

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John Kirk's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:17 am

A couple of quick things...

First, to the guy hammering the guy for not spelling, "Rodgers", correctly. I smiled as you hammered someone for their spelling, while your moniker misspells "Ivory"...It's "ivery".

Second, anyone who questions the idea that MM might walk "because it's McGinn"...and "he hates the Packers"...Jason Wilde said he'd heard the same thing but was "maybe, too chicken" to write it and maybe "didn't have the guts". So, the idea MM would walk if it's ball has merit. We just have milquetoast media outside of McGinn who is the only one who gives us a real peek behind the veil at 1265.

Further, Wilde also said that Aaron Rodgers is not on board with Russ Ball. WIlde and Aaron used to do a show together. Anyone want to guess who Wilde's source was on that little nugget?

So, you have MM willing to walk and Rodgers not happy if it's ball. One might quit, in MM, the other may refuse an extension and or create another Favre like situation as he surely realizes his time is short, especially after coming off an injury wasted season.

I question the intelligence, sorry to say in such harsh terms, of anyone who thinks this search is anything but a sham. It was decided a long long time ago that it would be Russ Ball. As Wilde said, there's an aura of overconfidence at 1265 that they can just plug in whomever and things will just keep in Murphy's words "humming along".

Ted has been health impaired for a long long time....seeing him on SNF when he became the subject of national ridicule was the last straw. Operation Hide Ted went full steam ahead.

Also, why did MM receive a silent extension? We didn't hear of it until Ted was pushed out of the public eye. There is something in that that needs exploring. I'm not sure why MM would've signed it knowing it was Russ coming down the pike? Maybe, it was intended as a golden parachute of sorts or to buy his silence to not rock the boat. If that was the case, him going off on the front office not doing enough to win championships seems to nix that idea.

In the end, what i've learned through all of this is what I believed for years. The Packers organization has always been more about financial stability than it ever was about SuperBowls. Ted said something shortly after he arrived here that always bothered me. Something to the effect of we're gong to strive to be competitive every year and if we get one (a Super Bowl) all the better. This is exactly what Ted did. Did less with more due to craving sameness year after year. It was about just enough product on the field to keep the money rolling in. Never too much, never too little. Just right. We had Goldilocks running things looking for just the right balance year after year never going for the brass ring. Now, the goal is to keep the financial stability with the belief that Russ can keep it going because we have Aaron Rodgers. It really doesn't matter who runs it, the money will flow with 12 and we'll win just enough for fans to brag to their buddies that we're competitive and a playoff team.

I can't wait to see the books when they come out for last season. I want to see how much the org suffered due to Rodgers injury. Want to see if this may have been an impetus for the change beyond just wanting to hide Ted from public view as it's all about the benjamins in Packerland. Shoot, sickening residents try charging fans 40 bucks to park their car for a preseason game. Green Bay has become way too corporate.

My only hope is Mark Murphy who claimed he didn't care what the fans had to say but was more than aware Ted was a lightning rod among other things, reads the disgust with what he's about to do and changes course and hires Schneider. That is a win win compromise for him and the org. Schneider gets hired and Murphy is the hero for brining the local boy home and McCarthy stays to work with his buddy who introduced him to his wife and we win because Schneider is not us playing Buddy Ball.

I still consider it losing a bit if MM stays but we can't have everything...we're on the verge of nothing.

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January 07, 2018 at 09:33 am

I always thought it was milktoast, lol

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:56 am

Well said indeed though I am cutting MM more slack based on what I now think we are learning that he has been having to deal with in house.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

January 07, 2018 at 12:02 pm

Well said Kirk.

I wanted my original name to be Eddie Lee Ebony And Ivory, but it wouldn't work. But Ivory fit so I stuck with it.

I lived thru those atrocious seasons of the 70s & 80s. I've seen it all in Green Bay. Good, bad, great, and awful.

I don't know which 2 people clicked thumbs down to your comment. We must have some infiltration from Viking fans in here.

I'm luke warm on McGinn, but he's been robotic & I don't think he's "biased". He's just learned that Ted Thompson is overrated. I don't, however, believe MM would quit if Ball was given the GM title.
I want Schneider but would never give more than a 5th Rd pick for him. He should have insisted on an out clause, as his prior contract had.

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dobber's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:39 pm

Oops.

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4thand1's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:25 am

OK, there are not any Russ Ball fans I see from reading the comments. From what I've seen, the Packers are interested in keeping EW too. He did his official interview last Thursday, why he needs to interview I don't know. Just a formality I guess. Everyone in the Packer organization should have taken notice after this disgusting season. If "rumors" are true that MM would walk if Ball were signed, would AR be far behind? I don't base much on rumors, until I hear a direct quote from MM or AR, I'll take it with a grain of salt. If AR takes a stand and we ended up losing him then the dark ages would be back upon us. But no matter how bad this team plays, the stadium will sell out every game. The only thing we as a fan could look forward to is cheap tickets.

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sonomaca's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:47 am

Watched the ATL game last night. Now that was some top shelf secondary play. Wish we had corners and safeties like the Falcons. Wish we had a defensive scheme like the Falcons.

Just made me realize GB is not competitive on D with the top level teams.

BTW, Aaron Donald is Reggie White reincarnated.

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4thand1's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:48 am

It looks like Joe Philbin is coming back as OC. I like it.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 09:57 am

So do I.

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snowdog's picture

January 07, 2018 at 02:14 pm

Getting the band back together

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Qoojo's picture

January 07, 2018 at 10:02 am

We shall see if "Sock puppet" McGinn is right or not, but nothing can get announced until minority candidate interview, and it will be hard for them to interview anyone given that an internal candidate is most likely.

As far as Ball goes as GM, he was my least favorite choice, but I don't know how any of these guys would perform or how good they really are. Just like my impression of Wolf is that it would reek of nepotism and name recognition more than merit.

The thing that amuses me the most is that a lot posters here fail to realize that drafting and scouting is all probability based. Many base their views on being right on a couple personnel calls in the past and using hindsight. Then saying how stupid the packers are for not getting it right because they could predict 1 or 2 cases, ignoring how they failed to predict the 95% of the other decisions.

Hayward was not an ascending player when let go. It was the right decision letting him go. Sometimes getting released light a fire under a player. Hyde getting released is more on MM's stubbornness to not get rid of Capers. TT was basically being told that this guy is too slow for Capers defense. Remember the mantra, "we need to get faster", and that's what the draft was about.

As far as I am concerned, the DC is the most important decision to make, as I think the GM will be competent. MM needs to make a good decision, and not simply pick a buddy.

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 10:38 am

I think one could make a case that it was the scheme and the way he was used within it that was holding Heyward back. Hindsight is wonderful, but he looked a completely different player almost from the outset with his new team. I am not sure it was any different from Hyde being used in a role for which he was not ideally suited.

Ultimately, I have come to believe that Capers schemes in the last few years became so contorted and divorced from the skills of the players that forming a true opinion of anyone in coverage became impossible. I think Capers tied himself and his players up in knots.

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January 07, 2018 at 10:54 am

My theory is that capers sounds brilliant with his knowledge, but his scheme is too complicated to carry out in reality. So going into the meeting to review games, Capers could say, well based on 5 variables, this player should have done "blah blah" and was out of position. Then once injuries hit, they were playing people out of position and udfa players that simply were not good enough, so MM would keep capers around thinking it wasn't his fault. So yea, Hyde was a subpar CB, but a really good safety that Capers put behind Haha and Burnett.

Plus, let's not forget that there is a human component and it's not easy firing a friend.

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Since'61's picture

January 07, 2018 at 10:19 am

Whoever is ultimately hired as the Packers GM; Ball, Wolf, even Schneider, we have no idea if they will be an effective GM or not. There are no guarantees with any individual. Yes, there are better choices “on paper” but there are also better teams on paper as well.

When Vince Lombardi was hired by the Packers in 1959 no one knew or expected they had hired the greatest coach of all time.

Quite frankly, we will be very fortunate if our next GM does as well as TT. I’m not saying that TT made all the right moves, he didn’t. But his team made the playoffs in 9 out of 13 seasons as GM with an SB win. Now either TT did a great job building a team or the head coach he hired (MM) did a great job of coaching all of TT’s draft mistakes, or a combination of both.

If we knew who could become the Packers next GM and repeat TTs record, especially with another SB and 8 consecutive playoff appearances, I for one would sign up for that right now. Even Schneider, who has done a great job in Seattle has not equaled TTs record, at least not yet.

So whoever is hired, we should give them a chance (even the apparently dreaded Russ Ball). If we approach the new GM with pre-conceived ideas of how they will perform our expectations will unlikely be met either positively or negatively. Keep an open mind, a positive attitude, and manage your expectations. We're along for the ride regardless of how it plays out. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

January 07, 2018 at 10:48 am

This off season will be the chance. While far too short to evaluate success, how that is conducted will tell us if there is evidence of ambition or not. Any GM who rests on the draft alone is likely to have a short honeymoon. It will not take long to see the culture Murphy opted for.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

January 07, 2018 at 12:36 pm

Schneider won one SB, same as TT, but was in two SB's, and a stupid Carroll call away from 2 SB victories.

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packergal's picture

January 07, 2018 at 10:18 am

Nostradunus comment to "...Hire a completely new training staff, there were way too many hamstring and groin injuries this past season, those can be minimized with proper hydration, training and stretching..." is on target. I believe only the Bears had similar soft tissue injuries last season and as a result, at a recent presser, they pledged to "complete re-examine their training philosophy, policy, process and adjust as necessary". This is a must for PACK for 2018, irrespective of whoever is named the new GM...has anyone in organization commented on looking at this as priority?

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Bure9620's picture

January 07, 2018 at 11:49 am

I am a little confused as to why people (McGinn and others) would be penciling Gutekunst in as the EXEC VP of ops and assistant GM? Word is the Texans are high on him. If they offer the GM position I think he is gone. If we elevate Ball, Wolf will likely be gone as well, sooner than later. Maybe McCarthy also? Not Ideal. Maybe Belichik would like to work with Aaron Rodgers?? Haha

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4thand1's picture

January 07, 2018 at 11:52 am

TT and the Packers got away from best player available. They had to keep drafting for need because of players let go and picks that didn't pan out.

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John Kirk's picture

January 07, 2018 at 11:52 am

One final unpopular quip...

Ted and his method failed not just Ted. Any method that doesn't rely on every avenue to win a SB is a failed method.

The Patriots are not only the standard but most similar situation. Both have transcendent QBs. One org has 7 SB appearances and 5 rings, the other one and one. One is clearly not like the other.

Keep in mind draft and develop is like saying water is wet. EVERY team in the NFL drafts...every team develops. Always made me shake my head when some would brag dogmatically about how smart we were as a draft and develop organization. Not one of 32 that ain't.

The gold standard, New England, drafts and develops, trades, and uses FA and has 4 more rings and 6 more appearances. You tell me if we should be hailing draft and develop?

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 07, 2018 at 12:01 pm

Speculation alert! I believe that a lot of the hate for Murphy comes from those who don't like the modernization of the Packers business operations. Specifically, they don't like the Packers buying property around Lambeau and the plans for developing that land.

We've had the same complaints in Louisville regarding Churchill Downs following a similar plan. For some unknown reason people prefer that the surrounding area continue to consist of dilapidated or abandoned housing.

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4zone's picture

January 07, 2018 at 12:38 pm

Gutekunst is gone if not the GM in GB. If I were the league, I would grab all of GB's personnel experts as my GMs to handicap the Packers and set myself up.

Schneider was never a go in GB. Murphy knew it by how they structured his contract this time around. The supposed 'wide net' is nothing but a joke. Only people they are interviewing are their own guys. I don't think anyone wants the job from the outside with Ted still in the building.

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Rossonero's picture

January 07, 2018 at 12:48 pm

BREAKING NEWS: Packers hire Brian Gutekunst as next GM. Google it

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WilsonMaywick's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:01 pm

Five year deal.

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WilsonMaywick's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:01 pm

Five year deal.

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dobber's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:09 pm

Finally! Not that this process has dragged out too long (it's been LESS THAN A WEEK), but rather because now we can move on to talk about things that are more concrete.

I'm pleased with this hire, but would have been pleased with Gutekunst or Wolf among the internal guys. All of them are unknowns in the GMs chair. Frankly, I was less scared by Ball than others here have been for that reason. Still, it's a starting point.

Now, let's go get a good DC!

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January 07, 2018 at 12:48 pm

Those of us who don't follow college football but check the mock drafts for months before the draft are generally uniformed about the second tier talent. But there's a general consensus on the first tier. The point made about Datone Jones was a good one. Same with Perry. I saw many SC games and was shocked that Perry was our pick. He was good, but stiff, and I never, never thought of him as a 1st rounder. Same with Datone. Mock drafts are mock drafts, but there's an awful lot of film out there today on the first tier. To me it's clear TT has drafted for need in the 1st more than BPA. We have to get away from that. Draft the best player on the board! You can't predict where your need will be in a year or two but you'll have a good player, which is most important.

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Lphill's picture

January 07, 2018 at 12:58 pm

I agree but in the Packers case draft the best defensive player on the board . A true position player not a hybrid or experiment please.

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packerbackerjim's picture

January 07, 2018 at 01:12 pm

Move up to get the best defensive player (after Minkah Fitzpatrick), Chubb or Key. Calais Campbell would have looked extremely good in GB and might have even saved TTs bacon. Big, fast DE will greatly prove the D. Let’s see what Gutekunst does.

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January 07, 2018 at 12:59 pm

I'll repost it here. Supposedly Gutekunst flew to Houston to interview yesterday, but never actually met with Texans officials (he pulled out).

profootballrumors.com/2018/01/brian-gutekunst-to-remain-with-packers-2

Rumor has it that Wolf and Gutekunst like working together well enough that this particular move would allow the Packers to keep ALL 3 of Ball, Gutekunst, and Wolf for 2018.

There's little doubt that Wolf will still garner GM consideration in the future, but the 2018 off-season and player acquisition periods look far more stable at this point.

Now the question: do Gutekunst and MM get along?

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January 07, 2018 at 01:06 pm

Every team that wishes to remain healthy and annually competitive must "win on draft day". It's not just the Packers. TTs desire to shy away from FA made it more of a priority in GB than in other places, but every team needs to have a constant supply of young, cheap talent on rookie contracts to help support a small number of productive vets that consume the majority of the cap.

Every team is looking to unearth UDFA talent for these reasons, too. The Packers situation (minimal external FA acquisitions) made it so that those UDFA players became increasingly important on game day.

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January 07, 2018 at 01:57 pm

MM apparently thought he knocked his interview “out of the park.” That is a good sign that they share some common vision.

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January 07, 2018 at 02:30 pm

NBCSports reporting at 1:47 ET that the job is Gutekunst's "ALONE".
What happens with Ball and Wolf remains unknown, but rumors are that Gutekunst and Wolf get along well enough to work together.

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