Packers Draft Special: Re-setting Team Needs

Day one of NFL free agency came and went.  Green Bay signed no one, and Packers fans took to the internet to show their dismay by panicking in a very complete and total way.  Then we all went to bed and woke up the next morning.  Green Bay spent day two of free agency as a very busy front office.

The Packers first agreed to terms with Baltimore Ravens pass rusher Za'Darius Smith.  That kicked off the day's festivities and caused Packers Twitter to awaken.

Player Position Rank
Jimmy Graham TE1 48th of 70
Byron Bell RG1 70th of 77
Josh Jackson/Kevin King CB2 ~95th of 112
Tramon Williams S1 67th of 93
Josh Jones S2 70th of 93

The Packers also identified pass rush (correctly) as a place that needed to be improved.  Green Bay didn't have excellent grades in that area, but they weren't in the bottom 30%.  Kyler Fackrell ranked 43rd out of 103 qualifiers at EDGE, Clay Matthews 59th.

Let's view things in percentiles now, and compare the 2018 holes that were addressed with their replacements.

2018 Starter Position Rank & Percentile Replacement Rank & Percentile
Byron Bell RG1 70th/77 = 9th Billy Turner 33rd/77 = 57th
Tramon Williams S1 67th/93 = 28th Adrian Amos 8th/77 = 90th
Kyler Fackrell EDGE1 43rd/103 = 58th Preston Smith 19th/103 = 82nd
Clay Matthews EDGE2 59th/103 = 43rd Zadarius Smith 33rd/103 = 68th

So to put the above research in the simplest terms, if you go by PFF's rankings, Byron Bell's film says that he is as good or better than 9 percent of the guards playing in the league.  Billy Turner's film is as good or better than 57% of the guards playing in the league.

What's the big deal?  Why is that so cool?  Where there are two reasons really.  The first is that there is tremendous value in having the baseline of your lineup be more that of an average player instead of having multiple true liabilities on the field.  Good teams have average starters.  What they don't usually have are train wrecks.

Beyond that I would argue, and so would PFF, that Amos and Both Smiths range something closer to "good" or in Amos' case "elite".  Even just making it that much closer to competency at most positions is a massive move forward.  The only issues that haven't been tended to are cornerback, a spot where Green Bay has two top 50 draftees in a position that more often than not takes a few years of NFL development, and tight end (though they did re-sign Marcedes Lewis).  That's a position that needs to get taken care of in the draft.

Speaking of the draft, that brings me to the second point that I'm making.  What the Packers really did here was purchase the ability to be flexible in the draft.  

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Ross Uglem is a staff writer for Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter @RossUglem 

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 11:47 am

If TJ HOCKENSON is the BEST TE prospect in years why would you not draft him at #12 or move down a little get some extra picks and then move back up.

How many times and years and late round draft picks and free agency do we have to deal with 30+ year old TE. Let's get the TE position FIXED once and for ALL !!

Wasn't it nice to not have to worry about the QB position or out LT position where we can on other positions?

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stockholder's picture

March 15, 2019 at 12:18 pm

Please. Just No. Don'tWant any TE! Defense all the way. You take a TE and will end up @500. We did not sign FA's to draft a TE.

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Michael Grunewald's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:36 pm

Thank you. How many of the elite TEs - the top tier that made a big splash early - were drafted in the first round? Gronk was a 2nd. Kielce was a 4th. Little was a 5th. Meanwhile, Graham outperformed guys like Evan Engram and OJ Howard, Eric Ebron didn’t do squat until his second contract and second team. Give me Jace Sternberger in the 3rd round. He has as much upside as Hockeson for a bargain price tag.

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NickPerry's picture

March 15, 2019 at 05:39 pm

When are you going to start to improve the offense? This team has drafted noting but defense and done it poorly for the most part before last season. All that time the offense was ignored. They need help on the O-Line, TE, WR and RB.

I completely get the argument for taking a TE at 12. BUT if the guy turns out to be the closet thing to Gronk in years AND in this offense he'd actually be able to SHOW it, why the hell not. Personally I'm sick and tired of watching the offense get ignored until the later rounds.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 15, 2019 at 12:28 pm

Offense will ge t attention with the #12 or #30. Depends which defender falls. If they get picked higher then an offensive difference maker will be selected. You cannot have three and outs. Your defense could be rated #1 but if its on the field all day you will lose in the fourth quarter.

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stockholder's picture

March 15, 2019 at 12:58 pm

First off Fant will go before Hoek. 2. Any TE will not see the field. The hole is ILB and Wilkerson. The biggest mistake in Packers draft history will be taking a TE. Defense wins games. Not TEs. You want 3 down starters or a bench warmer?

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Dragon5's picture

March 15, 2019 at 01:02 pm

not to mention the right side (Daniels) becomes FA next year

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:32 pm

The biggest holes are the Packers not converting on 3rd downs on offense and not getting TDs in the RED ZONE and Hockensen TE will you give you both FANT cannot except deep passing threat and then ee kick a lousy good for nothing FG.

And, not stopping opposing teams on 3rd down

So Gute use your magic and figure it out now!

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Dragon5's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:50 pm

as long as they dump Graham...

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 17, 2019 at 01:10 pm

Dragon, how do the numbers lay out for the draft's success?

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dobber's picture

March 16, 2019 at 11:26 am

"The biggest holes are the Packers not converting on 3rd downs on offense and not getting TDs in the RED ZONE and Hockensen TE will you give you both FANT cannot except deep passing threat and then ee kick a lousy good for nothing FG."

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to steal second base or launch the missiles.

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The TKstinator's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:08 pm

Who is “Hoek”?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:07 pm

LOL!

Good one!

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dobber's picture

March 16, 2019 at 11:24 am

That bastard in the funky hat who wouldn't leave Peter Pan alone?

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packerbackerjim's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:25 pm

Biggest draft mistake? How about Bruce Clark, Jim Stillwagon, Jerry Tagge , Rich Campbell, Tony Mandarich?

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NickPerry's picture

March 15, 2019 at 05:42 pm

OR...Jamal Reynolds, Justin Harrell, or trading away the chance to draft TJ Watt...should we keep going...Sigh...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:31 pm

Packerbackerjim,
Please STOP! Please!

Such bad memories...

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BoCallahan's picture

March 15, 2019 at 07:27 pm

If you are going to say, Stillwagon, you might as well add Madison to your list. They were both 5th round picks.

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Dzehren's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:37 pm

Wilkerson DL from Clemson is growing on me. Pro Football focus & Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network have Wilkerson ranked as the 5th best prospect yet most project him to go after pick 20.... Charles Davis just projected Wilkerson to GB @ 12 earlier today.

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Rak47's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:36 pm

Wilkerson? I think you mean Christian Wilkins.

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Dzehren's picture

March 15, 2019 at 09:26 pm

RAK47 yes- ur correct- Wilkins—. Thanks

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 17, 2019 at 01:16 pm

Wilkens dominated the D line for that group. Dexter lawrence, Ferrell is rated right behind Bosa and Allen for the Edge. You have to look at their complete body of work on that team. There is a reason they won the National Championship. You want these achievers on your squad.

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sherrmann1806's picture

March 16, 2019 at 06:42 pm

Here is my 2 cents worth regarding Christian Wilkins..........DO WHATEVER U HAVE TO DO TO DRAFT THAT GUY! He, in my opinion is going to be an ELITE STUD AND MULTI PRO BOWL player!!

As a matter of fact, i would LOVE for the packers to see if they could trade up to get Linebacker Devin white who i think will also be an elite stud multi pro bowler and possible Hall of Fame type career! Then find a way to package your 30th with additional picks to acquire Wilkins!!

If u get those two.........then u may very well have set yourself up with these future studs to be Superbowl contender within the next year or two! once again, just my two cents worth and prediction!........don't get me wrong, there are numerous guys in this draft that have a chance to be elite stud talents...the guys that i mentioned...are my favorites!

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 07:14 pm

Exactly!! He is Gronk and Kelce rolled into one.
I hope :)

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Monsmoy's picture

March 16, 2019 at 07:42 am

I agree with much of what you say, but not all. ILB is now the main D need and Bush after a trade back to around 17 would be perfect. However, if Fant goes first there is a good chance Hock could be there at 30 and that would be a win. Instead of it being the "biggest mistake in Packer's history" it would be a a great acquisition

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 17, 2019 at 01:23 pm

Gutekunst has his pick of the litter. Wilkens is starting to make sense. Daniels is gone next year and we do not know if he will hold up this season. Remember when he went down the inside pressure suffered and opponents ran on the Pack. If Simmons was available it would be a toss up between them. Oliver is a consideration, but he may not fit a 3-4 scheme. Grab a TE in the second round. Sternberger is moving up boards and Josh Oliver can play the seam as well as Fant. #30 should be a FS or OT.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:35 pm

No way FANT goes before HOCK.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:11 pm

Prepare for the inevitable Doug! By it happening it may allow Hock to slip to the Packers at #30.

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Rak47's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:38 pm

Fants sub 4.5 time in the 40 along with his workout and measurements most likely pushed him to the top of the TE's list.

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4thand10's picture

March 16, 2019 at 10:01 pm

So how do we know Clay isn’t taking Jake Ryan’s place? Ebron was a first round prototype TE at the time he was drafted...6’4 250. He was taken 1st Rd #10. 750 yards with the Colts. Graham had 636...on a very Gimpy Packers team with no WRs outside of Adams and a rushing attack that really didn’t scare anyone. Not to mention 2 to 3 dbs all over him stealing his pocket change in the end zone every time because they knew he was getting the ball.This will be year 2 of Graham and Mercedes Lewis. Yes, they are older but that’s a pretty good tandem.

Yes draft a TE , but I personally wouldn’t spend a top 15 pick on Hock. Not when there’s a NT , RT and a legit #2 WR to be had or even another OLB/ Edge. I also would look at the best big RB on the board.

The stealers for example were better with Brown and JuJu and not just one or the other (just an example). People like to talk about Jermichael Finley around here... his biggest year he had 750 yards, BUT LOOK at the WR talent around him at that time. We don’t have anything close to that kind of WR talent behind Adams.

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Swisch's picture

March 15, 2019 at 12:55 pm

Doug, I almost want the Packers to draft Hockenson just for your sake.
I guess that's because I appreciate your enthusiasm and decisiveness regarding him.
After this momentous free agency for the Packers, we should approach the draft similarly in the sense of picking the players we are really excited about at just about any position (not QB) -- guys we think will be awesome NFL football players.
It seems Hockenson may be one of those guys, and possibly even worthy of pick #12.
Should be a fun weekend of selections!

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:34 pm

Thank you sir. And, I'm going to buy my Hockenson Packer Jersey today!!

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stockholder's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:49 pm

It won't be in Green and Gold!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 03:13 pm

Swish,
I just said pretty much the same thing on another thread about loving Doug's enthusiasm for Hock. Have to love the enthusiasm but Gute really cannot afford to lock in on one player as we all know. He really has to assess team needs and best player available.

I really think Hock will be available until anywhere starting around #25 and possibly to just before #30 (believe someone might jump in right before the Packers if they like him enough). Fant mind you could possibly go as high as #12 but I'm thinking more in that #15 - 20 range. I want a big body preferably on the DL like an Oliver or Simmons now that we have the Smiths. I would not complain on White or Burns either. However, without any question Fant being a hybrid TE (more like a WR) would totally change the Packers offense making it explosive. With Lewis re-signed Fant could possibly be that luxury selection allowing the Pack to move back a few spots from #12 and picking up an extra selection. I would be completely on board with a move such as this if at #30 and with the extra selection the Pack draft defense.

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Swisch's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:40 pm

It does seem that if Hock is available at #12, it would be hard to pass on him with the idea he would still be around at #30 (or even at #20).
If he can block and catch, then it's kind of like drafting a lineman and a receiver in one person.
I like Doug making the tough call to go for Hock at #12 (as I understand him).
Hock may not be the only excellent pick at #I2, but I'd love to have a premier tight end on the Packers -- so I'm in for Hock if he appears to be that guy in the next couple of years (and perhaps a solid contributor right away).
Also, after free agency, I'm leaning toward offense for the draft at tight end and lineman.
My question to Doug is why he likes Hock so much more than Fant and Smith Jr. (with apologies if he's already answered this elsewhere).

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Iowapackerfan's picture

March 15, 2019 at 10:01 pm

Being a Packer fan in Iowa, I've been watching Hockenson and Fant a lot the past two years. Believe me, Hock is better. Who killed the Wisconsin defense this year? Answer: Hockenson, not Fant. Fact is, Hockenson passed up Fant on the Iowa depth chart, and that's why Fant didn't take part in the bowl game. Hockenson is a man, Fant is a whiner. Hockenson has better hands, bigger frame, better blocking skills, more tenacity, and better work ethic. Easy choice. Don't get all excited by some fancy combine numbers.

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NickPerry's picture

March 16, 2019 at 03:42 am

Thank you Iowa...… I understand the combine is a valuable tool and the drills they run do provide some useful information about that player. But when such a HUGE deal is made about two tenths of a second it drives me nuts.

Player A out plays player B all year long. He demonstrates he's a better blocker, has better hands, and runs better routes while ON the field playing football yet player B should now be drafted before player A because he ran faster in SPANDEX? Get the heck out of here.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:46 pm

We say defense every year

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Minniman's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:06 pm

A good point, but I'd say that a change in coaching regime resets such a "counter" as they will have different takes on the types of players sought.

It's probably cold comfort, but barring a few isolated individuals, at least on paper this year's draft aligns better to the defensive side of things - so as frustrating as the last couple of draft years have been (especially 2015), this is probably not the year to draw such a line.

I personally would be thrilled if the Packers were able to trade down a couple of spots, grab Hock, BPA @ #30 then Simmons early in the second (with said pick) then BPA with the mid-second.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:16 pm

With your thoughts but would swap out Hock with Fant. Very much like picking up Simmons with a trade up in early round two. I think he will be there for the first 2 or 3 spots in round 2.

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Minniman's picture

March 15, 2019 at 11:27 pm

As contradictory as this may sound (as they have 2 distinctly different playing styles) I wouldn't be despondent if they took Fant over Hock - I guess it would be an early bellweather on how the Packers intend to play offense (and TE) under MLF.

I do see Simmons as the consolation back-pocket high value pick for early in the second round for the team that's prepared to red-shirt most of his first year. Jaylon Smith is repaying that foresight to the Cowboys now.

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Gman1976's picture

March 15, 2019 at 09:25 pm

Here’s my TE Solution: Resign Jared Cook, let Jimmy Graham go, and spend the 2nd or 3rd rounder on best available TE.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 16, 2019 at 02:51 pm

It doesn't just matter that he's the best prospect in this year's draft or even in several years. If there are other TEs that can get the job done without using that draft capital, you can pick a player earlier in the round that is at a premium position. And just b/c he's the best TE in awhile, doesn't mean he's better than some of the other players with first round grades. You assign the player a grade, and then pick by grade and not by position. If there are a bunch of players with the same grade, then you pick for need, otherwise pick the higher graded player. He will improve your team more than a lesser rated guy at a position of need.

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ILPackerBacker's picture

March 15, 2019 at 11:51 am

I love the spirit of optimism and the post is well thought out even though I have a big disagreement with you on the value of PPF. Yet since that is more about the trenches I think there is value in their work and real value in what you wrote.

Thanks, well done.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 15, 2019 at 12:34 pm

The blue chips will come in the draft. Think Big Picture. There will be capable veterans starting and the greenhorns can pick it up as they go instead of being tossed into the scrum.

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Dragon5's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:44 pm

White
Oliver
Sweat

Would be nice to have all 3 available at 12. Hopefully we get a run on QBs prior to our pick. Rosen tradebait, particularly to NYG#17 is the match that can start the fire and have DEN, CIN, MIA, WAS get aggressive to trade up for Lock, Haskins, Jones. If Giants do get Rosen, #6 will be a key trade up spot since they're in rebuild mode.

Using the classic Jimmy Johnson trade value chart, If Quinnen Williams is still available at OAK#4, trading #12 #30 #114 #150 for #4 & #106 #140 is ideal trade up scenario assuming GB brass is in love with him and he's far superior to Oliver, Wilkins, or Lawrence who offer better value in the first round. The added perk of this trade would be to get to the top of day 3.
Would be insane to think OAK would then have 4 1st rd picks #12 #24 #27 #30! If all 3 premier TEs end up being forecast as 1st round picks, trading #44 #75 to OAK for #27 can still get us back in the first round to nab a TE before NE does. I'd hate to see us lose a shot at (WR) Hakeem Butler & (S) Amani Hooker though.

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stockholder's picture

March 15, 2019 at 12:27 pm

All three work for me. In Case it doesn't. I have two that should be taken by Gute later in rd. 4. ILB=. David Long 5'11' 227 OLB = Hollins 6'5'' 248

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albert999's picture

March 15, 2019 at 01:19 pm

love it!

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puffybabyman's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:07 pm

Love David Long. Has a knack for being able to knife through the OL despite his size. Very underrated. Hard pass on TE at 12 from me also. Not a position I consider worthy of ever drafting that high.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 15, 2019 at 12:35 pm

They could all be gone by the 10th pick.

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Cubbygold's picture

March 15, 2019 at 01:54 pm

I like this idea. If, as the author is stating, the roster has no glaring immediate needs, then the correct play is to decrease the number of picks and increase the quality. Go get the #1 guy on our board.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:38 pm

The Josh Jones train is about to leave the station if he doesn't get it done this year.

I really hope it does. Very athletic guy. I'm not 100% sure what his problem is exactly.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:45 pm

I mean I hope he gets his issues fixed on the field, otherwise we have WASTED a 2nd round pick along with our other 2nd Jason Spriggs pick.

Both of these guys were TEAM NEEDS and they failed us. And, don't forget one of our biggest BUSTS at #10 DE- Jamaal Reynolds (Florida State)

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 03:22 pm

Dragon,
Lots to think about there!

I really like Butler and seems like he might have a chance of being available at #30, however and this is really thinking out of the box. With all the Packers needs they need either a good TE or a good slot WR (preferably both) but they do not likely have the draft capital to pick-up top notch guys at each position.

Butler makes zero sense to draft IMO unless the Packers move Adams to the slot WR where he would absolutely dominate. This would resolve the slot WR issue. I could even see the Packers doing this even without selecting another WR as long as Geronimo and the 2nd year WR's show strong promise. If the Packers made the later moves above and did select a Fant or Hock I really do think the Packers offense would be unstoppable (if they picked up another OL and possibly if Madison came back bolstering the OL).

I know the Adams move to slot WR probably messes with many people's mind because why mess with a good thing right? Adam's is not fast but he sure is twitchy with great instincts and movements. Strength, size, soft hands, and leaping ability. The guy would dominate inside even more than outside. By moving him in it would give all the other WR's a chance to grow and flourish if the powers to be deem them quality WR's.

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Dragon5's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:18 pm

Butler profiles best to be on the outside, but also played A LOT of slot 2 years ago. The most overlooked aspect of slot imo is hands, cuz missed / tipped balls in the middle are highly susceptible to get picked. He says he fixed his drops so we'll see. Versatility of using both Adams & Brown in the slot keeps D coordinators guessing even more.

Of Moore, MVS, and Brown, I believe Brown emerges as best of that trio and pushes Allison for #2WR by end of '19. I'm all for trading MVS and / or Moore now and especially sell high if they exceed expectations this year.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:22 pm

I agree about St. Brown.

Have no idea how Moore is going to turn out but believe of the 3 rookie WR's he would translate best to slot (assuming he can catch the ball). More compact, strongest of three, and used in KO's for reason.

I love Butler...I really do but a real luxury pick. However, I have been saying the Pack now will have one luxury pick after FA and I am positive it will be on the offensive side

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 17, 2019 at 01:35 pm

Dragon don't forget about Alan Lezard. He may become the short field possession guy. Great hand s and route running ability, just slow off the line. He has the strength to handle press coverage.

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March 15, 2019 at 12:00 pm

Is it really too early to give up on Josh Jones? I think he’s a backup/special teams guy at best.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

March 15, 2019 at 01:33 pm

There's a reason rookies are on 4 year contracts not 1 or 2. Pettine has shown that he has the ability to use his defensive players effectively. Josh Jones has elite athleticism it seems like his football IQ is what's been holding him back. He looks lost or lut of place more often than not. If Pettine can carve out a role for him, keep it simple, and the light bulb turns on for JJ he could be a lot of fun to watch.

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March 15, 2019 at 02:02 pm

Josh is also on his second coordinator in 3 years, and like everyone else, is only in his second year in Pettine's system. Imo, if after this year he's still floundering, then you can consider giving up on him

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 15, 2019 at 12:36 pm

This is great work Ross!

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 15, 2019 at 01:05 pm

I thought the article was good too.

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Lphill's picture

March 15, 2019 at 12:40 pm

Packers checking out Devin Bush today, how great would it be to have Devin White or Bush in the middle. the defense would be set for years . Irv Smith Jr is my choice for tight end, the Patriots are going tight end at 32 so we cant pass him at 30 because Hockson and Fant will be gone at 30 if the Pack go defense at 12.

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March 15, 2019 at 01:01 pm

Seen 1 mock that has us taking Bush @12

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Dragon5's picture

March 15, 2019 at 01:13 pm

Bush=7 life path (most prone to injury)
Other 7s in first two rounds where I'd think twice...

-Dwayne Haskins
-DK Metcalf
-Jeffrey Simmons
-Jerry Tillery
-Mack Wilson
-Kelvin Harmon

Does anyone have dob for Cody Ford & Andre Dillard? Can't find them online...one site has Dillard 10-03-2001 which I find difficult to believe.

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March 15, 2019 at 04:47 pm

Dillard & Ford are both seniors in college..... Can't find DOB either

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BradHTX's picture

March 15, 2019 at 11:22 pm

“7 life path”? What does this mean?

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 17, 2019 at 01:38 pm

Thank you Dragon. I would avoid all of the above even w/out knowing the life path. Hai !

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 03:24 pm

SH,
I would be wildly thrilled if this happened!

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The TKstinator's picture

March 16, 2019 at 06:08 am

If you look at enough mocks you’ll see GB taking almost everybody.

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Iowapackerfan's picture

March 15, 2019 at 10:15 pm

Smith is too short. 'Bama listed him at 6'4" but he measured 6'2" at the combine. Too short for an NFL tight end in my opinion.

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March 15, 2019 at 10:47 pm

Not buying into Irv Smith. At 6'2 240 lbs he's only about two Big Mac's heavier than D.K. Metcalf, a WR. I'm not convinced Smith can block and seal the edges in the zone running scheme at 240lbs.

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March 15, 2019 at 01:04 pm

I am excited. I always felt that adding just one edge rusher was not enough. Well, Gute goes and gets two very good, above average edge rushers. Amos is a good safety with his head on right - obviously better than Dix. Turner brings an ability that's good enough. Yes one or two may not pan out, but that happens with players that you have on salary, like Perry.

Regarding the draft. If an elite player comes up at 12, take him. Other wise trade down a few to get another 2nd or 3rd rounder. Bush, Oliver, Hockensen, or whoever they think is best. Remember, we all want a specific player, but the draft is so variable that it is difficult to get the players we name. Gotta trust Gute to pick guys like Alexander and bring in good depth.

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March 17, 2019 at 01:42 pm

Depending who may fall from the QB over reach, it makes sense to move down 2-3 slots. A lot of depth in the 2nd and 3rd round. Good values.

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Swisch's picture

March 15, 2019 at 01:11 pm

Interesting and enjoyable essay, including good perspective on the upgrades with free agency.
It seems to me that Cris Collinsworth is possibly the best announcer around as far as analyzing the NFL, so it would likely follow that PFF would be one of the best references for evaluating NFL players.
Just watched the NFL Network documentary on Collinsworth -- part of its series, "A Football Life" -- and was struck by how gangly he was when he was drafted. It goes to show how it's good to go beyond the combine measurables.
Also part of the documentary was how hard Collinsworth works to prepare for games. It seems his PFF would be just as thorough.

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March 15, 2019 at 03:27 pm

A quote I always remember Collinsworth saying years ago is that "one of the perks of being an NFL football player is you have access to way more beautiful woman than you have any right to".

Really? LOL!

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March 15, 2019 at 01:12 pm

Strong work Ross. Let’s not get cute. It’s so rare to have two 1’s. Stay put- Oliver/White then Fant. Nothing but net.

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March 15, 2019 at 01:13 pm

Since GB used FA to add talent to the roster and used it to address the top 3 needs, they now have the ability to simply take the best player available in the draft. That to me is one of the biggest hidden benefits of them signing the 4 FA's.

I still think they need to add another Safety, and more OL, and more depth at OLB. But its not as big of a need as it was.
OLB I think they still could look at one in the first round or higher in the draft. Za'Darius can be moved around. On 3rd and long he could be lined up inside, which creates an opening at OLB. If they could get a speed rusher that can bend around the corner I think that would be a great addition!

I think TE is one of the greater needs. While they have Graham, Lewis and Tonyan, I think they need a young guy that could be a field stretcher. Also they need a guy that can take over for Lewis & likely Graham next year.

I think they need another OT. A guy that could take over the job from Bulaga a year from now. And a guy that can take over the job from Spriggs.
And they will always need OL depth.

Another position that they always draft is CB's. While its not a 'need' you can never have to many good CB's. And if Breeland leaves, that leaves us with Alexander, Jackson, King, Brown. If there is an injury depth gets really thin.

I would also like to see them add another RB. DL depth too. They could use a shifty slot WR type of player too.

I think from this point forward the greater need positions are TE, OLB, S, RB, ILB
The positions that I think can use more depth or help at are CB, WR, DL.

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March 15, 2019 at 02:02 pm

Right. These FAs aren't cheap, but what's the value of being in a position to truly take BPA, raising the likelihood of a successful draft that produces multiple starters. If you hit on two or three guys, playing on rookie deals, that allows you to let higher priced guys walk or stay out of FA.

Imagine if GB hits on a TE and RT, both guys playing on rookie deals. What does that do to the cap over the next four years? Rather than paying Bulaga and Graham, they're covered on cheap deals.

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stockholder's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:26 pm

I believe Gute won't take an OL.unless it's Williams. [email protected] But White proved himself at the combine. He must be given every consideration now. Sounds like you still want Poilite later. Which has more merit then a TE. I say Safety more then TE. The better safeties for development are later. But Adderley proved himself in the senior Bowl. (Was named Captain. ) Have to see his pro day! I think he's the leader @30 for me currently. This also could push T.Williams back to CB. Then draft a safety and RB late. 5.6.6.7. The @44 is where they take a WR if they take one.

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BoCallahan's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:28 pm

I’m hoping Sweat is there at #12. Do you realize his 40 time was faster than Cobbs & Jordy’s? I did a little checking; his 40 time was even faster than Darren Sprouls without even breaking a sweat. How sweet would it be to add his 6’5”/260 pound frame to our defense?

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March 15, 2019 at 07:24 pm

Sweat is interesting as he can obviously put quite a bit of weight yet on his lanky form. If I have a concern with Sweat he does not appear as athletic and be able to bend and get low around the edge like Burns. Between the 2 I'd take Burns because of age and Burns seems much more athletic to me even though Sweat is faster.

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Gman1976's picture

March 15, 2019 at 09:28 pm

I’d love to have him, but since he had such a great combine he will probably go early.

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March 15, 2019 at 09:35 pm

I’d love to have him, but since he had such a great combine he will probably go early.

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March 15, 2019 at 03:32 pm

RC,
Such a shame the Packers did not play Tonyan more last year particularly in the last few games to really gauge his talent and upside. I think there is talent and upside there, however simply do not know how much. Last year's coaches were such a dissapointment. Instead, they wanted to play an old TE with a bad knee and a broken thumb who could not block or catch let alone get open. Go figure!

I have mentioned this before but with the Ohio State DB tearing his pec muscle at the Combine who was likely the fastest player at the combine I wonder if he might be available late 2nd round (possibly move back from #44) or somewhere in the 3rd round. I would definitely think long and hard about being able to get good value on him somewhere along the way shoring up the backfield.

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PeteK's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:25 pm

Add an O lineman instead of OLB

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Guam's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:52 pm

RC - generally very much in agreement with your post but I would place a higher priority on D-line than you have. We have two reliable starters (Clark and Daniels) and three JAGs (Lowery, Adams and Lancaster). I don't subscribe to PFF, but I suspect the grades on the last three would indicate they are just rotational players. That leaves us one starter short of a complete D-line. Given that the strength of this draft is D-linemen, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Packers devote one of our top three choices to a D-lineman.

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PeteK's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:47 pm

I give Lowery more credit .

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 15, 2019 at 07:19 pm

Per PFF:
71.2 - 58th DI Mike Daniels
73.8 - 42ndd DI Dean Lowry
76.5 - UR M. Wilkerson (UR means unrated - too few snaps)
77.5 - UR Kyle Lancaster
69.3 - UR M. Adams NT (still above average)

It was a good group. I thought Daniels' grade was low.

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March 16, 2019 at 03:00 pm

Daniels was a shell of his former self. I hope that was an abberation, not a sign of things to come.

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March 15, 2019 at 07:23 pm

Nice post. GB can do in many different directions, but there is no way to avoid the issues with Daniels and Bulaga entering contract years.

FA right tackles cost a fortune. One option is to draft one. Probably in a better position to get one this year than I hope we will be in next year, barring another draft trade coup by Gute. Even waiting to draft one in 2020 means a rookie starting RT, unless Spriggs steps up.

DT talent is off the charts in this draft. Hard to ignore the strength of a draft, though it depends on how much Gute moves around and whether it falls well for us.

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March 17, 2019 at 01:50 pm

OT no lower than the # 30 pick. There will be DTs in the second if he goes in another direction @ #12. Gerald Willis, Christmas from FSU, ...I believe Spriggs should be cut loose despite his low contract number.

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Don Guske's picture

March 15, 2019 at 01:28 pm

Pick an offensive lineman and give Rogers more time and it won't matter who the tight end is!

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March 15, 2019 at 02:04 pm

Using lewis appropriately would help too

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 03:00 pm

And, when was the last time that worked? You had SOLID OL against Seattle in 2013 NFC Championship gsme and we had to kick like 4 lousy FG. But we had to blame the special teams guy for going after the onside kick when he wasn't supposed to!!

All year the RED ZONE was an issue and it cost us going to the SuperBowl because it has been ignored way too much, mainly because McCarthy had absolutely no clue what a TE is used for.

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Lare's picture

March 15, 2019 at 03:24 pm

Everyone is assuming Gutekunst signed Billy Turner to play RG. IMO, he may very well have signed him to play LG after watching Taylor struggle last season. I look for the Packers to pick another OL pretty high in this draft, someone that can start at RG and even LT when Bulaga gets injured again.

I also expect Gutekunst to get a good RB either in free agency yet or the draft. There's no way they're going into next season in a run-first offense with only Jones and Williams on the roster.

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March 17, 2019 at 01:54 pm

Lare , I agree with your assessment. Taylor is a weak link in the chain especially for a wide zone run scheme. The opening game against the Bears, he was a sieve and Rodgers was almost lost for another season. Gutey will move on an OT high and another guard to compete. Alex Light is also in the conversation.

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Dzehren's picture

March 15, 2019 at 09:40 pm

Let’s pick a plug & play OL at pick 30 or pick 44. Start at guard then move to tackle next year.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 17, 2019 at 01:56 pm

They need a top OT talent to cover for Bulaga when he goes down or Heaven forbid Bhaktiari. Let's take a deep breath and remember, " Protect the Franchise".

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March 15, 2019 at 01:55 pm

I don't see any needs reset after FA. They dumped 2 guys, and picked up 2 guys (smiths) to replace them. They got some depth for one spot on OL, and a safety. Safety seems like the only box they checked.

I still see take a pass rusher at 12 before everything else, unless the talent left doesn't warrant the pick. Still need a lot better depth at OL. I think they could use one of the Iowa TEs.

Basically, not much, other than Safety, has changed, and even at safety, a draft pick wouldn't be out of line.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 02:49 pm

Go Marquette Warriors!
Go Milwaukee Bucks!

Sorry, just had to get that out there!

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 03:03 pm

D. Sproles "mighty mouse" would not be a bad pickup. The guy is an ageles wonder.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 15, 2019 at 03:04 pm

Don't forget Andy Isabella for slot wr and Holyfield RB out of Georgia (UGA)

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Ross Uglem's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:31 pm

there is basically no history of a running back as slow as Holyfield being effective in the NFL.

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March 15, 2019 at 07:20 pm

ok..i will go along with the 4 thumbs down for Sproles.

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Minniman's picture

March 16, 2019 at 03:52 am

I'm interested to hear/see how he goes at his pro day on March 20th. His tape looks way better than that 40 time (4.78) suggests. I'd like to know what his 10-yard split time is then 3 cone drill. He may bode better as a chain mover or short yardage warrior than the "home run" hitter.

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March 16, 2019 at 12:41 pm

jeez..what was up with the 4.78 40 yd dash by Holyfield..in the combine .something wrong. .

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Skip greenBayless's picture

March 15, 2019 at 03:59 pm

Ladies and gentlemen, I hate to interrupt this but I've got a bombshell late breaking news update. John T. Kirk has come back for a rare response to the past couple days. I copy and pasted his pulitzer winning piece below because I am afraid it will get lost where he responded. This is what true journalism and leadership looks like folks.

Kirk, I am seriously not worthy but if you can find it in your heart I would very much love to see you return to add your professionalism and different but correct point of view. Old School, Taryn and I have tried but we need more like you. I will think about your offer but please if you could come back here from time to time we desperately could use your help making the herd here see the light. Thank you and God Bless you John T. Kirk.

Dash
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John Kirk says:
March 15, 2019 at 02:25 pm
Dash... I'm back for one post only. I got wind of your abuse here and your frustrations.

May I offer you a FREE ticket to the Browns Super Bowl train?

Come follow the team with the GM the Packers should've hired but couldn't because he wasn't the right "fit" meaning Magic Mark's minion.

Real Green Bay went to Cleveland while pseudo-Green Bay was created by Magic Mark. A weak Gutekunst and an even weaker hire at HC.

You deserve to follow the team that Green Bay should be. Dorsey makes bold moves that this regime never will. Don't you find it laughable that what Brian did by signing four mediocre players is hailed as "aggressive" and "going for it". Look at Cleveland... Let's compare the 4 moves of Green Bay's vs. the 4 of Cleveland's:

Olivier Vernon, Sheldon Richardson, OBJ and Kareem Hunt. Hunt, Mayfield and OBJ cost around 27 million. Adams and Rodgers are nearly 48 million, alone.

The Browns added four difference makers. The Packers added "ascending" players with no pedigree. Hope and wishes that they're better than the slop that was here. Relatively speaking the Packers did improve because they were so freaking terrible previously. A level up from terrible isn't fixed or a thing to be excited about.

Mike Pettine is the only man on staff in Green Bay and I wouldn't be shocked that he's the head coach in a year.

The Browns are the ascending team in this league. Already, better than the Packers in 2018, they hit the turbo, while the Packers chose to reset their cruise control another 5 mph faster.

Come be a Browns fan. Mark Murphy tore the uniqueness from the Packers and corporatized them and installed himself as de facto owner. That's not Green bay. Not being able to hire Dorsey because he wouldn't be subservient to Magic Mark is not Green Bay. Hiring a coordinator with the presence of the most effeminate man possible and coordinator of a horrific offense is not Green Bay. This is Magic Mark's outfit not the Green Bay Packers...so I left. Almost 40 years of loyalty to the Packers I gladly flushed because of Mark Murphy... the man who sat there laughing at LaFleur's intro presser about Matt sincerely asking him a question about when he was going to make a decision on the hire. Matt just wanted to know for his family's sake. Magic Mark sits up there with his stupid grin and false bravado and full on narcissism and says...he just made up some bull*hit. He says this right after he talked about what the Packers stand for and how Matt will fit and all about the trust. What trust can Matt ever have that Mark will ever shoot him straight after that kind of an answer and the total disgusting way he answered the question. He basically said Matt, you don't matter at all. I'm Magic Mark. The Packers king. I can toy with you and make up answers to questions and laugh about it while I know how important my answer is to you and your family.

Don't follow a team that is only nominally the Green Bay Packers now. You don't deserve it. The hive mind doesn't care. It'll brag about the uniqueness and the good family nature of the organization but it's a full on corporate sleaze operation with Murphy at the helm.

Come to Cleveland where there's a real GM and the most honest and transparent and likable head coach in the NFL. That's not even mentioning Mayfield and that machine of an offense that has been assembled and that DL with some solid back end.

Cleveland is so much better than Green Bay and there's an aura around them. Green Bay is a rubble organization existing on mirages and platitudes from the past. Nobody will look closely enough to see what a joke 1265 has become.

All aboard the SB train. I have your ticket, Dash. Don't get stuck in Magic Mark's wasteland and be called an idiot for telling the truth.

Adults choose what they wish to allow. They don't act like children and just follow their parents. The Packers ain't your parents. Choose better. Choose Cleveland. It's a lot like Green Bay but so much better.

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Mojo's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:07 pm

It's appropriate Dash attaches Kirks comment to his own, since it's becoming more apparent Dash and Kirk are one in the same.

It's a good way to bolster an opinion by simply offering the same one under different names. And not to mention the recycling of the Thomson Twins modality too.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:09 pm

Agree!

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Skip greenBayless's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:23 pm

You know Mojo, I am good but I am not in Kirks, Old School or Taryn's territory. I have the same beliefs as they do for the most part that's why I admire them the way I do. I actually thought you were a pretty bright guy but that's a little crazy comparing me to Kirk. Can you at least comment on Kirk's comments rather than making up conspiracy theories to avoid the thought that what Kirk said might actually be true?

I copy and pasted it here because he responded to me on yesterdays article about Lewis and I know everyone is pretty much done reading it so about 98% will miss this masterpiece by Kirk. He also said he was only coming back one more time just to post this so I wanted maximum people reading what he said. This piece deserves everyones attention.

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NitschkeFan's picture

March 15, 2019 at 11:17 pm

Yes ! Dash is leaving to be a Browns fan, thank God!

Adios.

Just kidding Dash, sort of. And really you want to compare the Brown’s ton of cap space and loads of very high draft picks over the past few years to what was available to the Packers?

I like Dorsy and wish him great success.

But I’ve been a Packers fan through the dark ages and the past 25 years have been loads of fun. If we’re heading back to the 70’s so be it, it was fun while it lasted. John Brockington, MacArthur Lane plus 3 yards and a cloud of dust! I still enjoyed watching the Pack.

But I’m not about to become a Browns fan just because they are on the rise.

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March 15, 2019 at 04:49 pm

I have nothing against Cleveland, Dorsey or the Browns for that matter. I do think they're on the rise.

But really any competent GM should be able to improve on a team that won one game in the two years prior to last year and was able to stockpile incredible amounts of high draft choices and cap room.

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March 15, 2019 at 05:18 pm

With any luck, they’ll all go to Cleveland. They’ll fit in well there.

After they're gone, I think we should throw a going away party. I'll buy the beer.

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March 15, 2019 at 10:24 pm

Another example of Dash desperately trying to remain relevant, at least to himself. if he is so enamored with the Browns he should go follow the Browns and blog on their site. Or he should just stay with his Viqueens blog.

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March 15, 2019 at 07:14 pm

Wow Since 61, I almost wonder if you are Aaron Rodgers in disguise. Are you? Throwing petty insults my way all because you weren't mentioned in my top four people here? You really sound bothered by Kirk's success. In fact you are bothered so much that for the first time you felt the need to bring out your credentials and let the world know you are a "published author". You have jealousy all over your post. It's actually amazing you would resort to being this petty all over John Kirk coming back. You basically are Donald Trump asking for Obama's (Kirk's) birth certificate. lol

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March 16, 2019 at 04:20 am

Dash can't be John Kirk, his word count is too low.

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albert999's picture

March 15, 2019 at 05:53 pm

You really hit the Pabst early today Riproar
Easy ole wise one

Uncle Albert

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March 15, 2019 at 05:59 pm

Real fans don’t jump on bandwagons so glad Capt. Kirk is going to the browns side that leaves room for a new Spock on our side

Uncle Albert

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March 15, 2019 at 11:45 pm

Couldn’t agree more. A true fan is loyal through thick and thin, including when you disagree with leadership.

As for this Dash/Kirk post, I’ve never before responded to either, nor ever had a beef with them whether I agree with them or not. But this I post is frankly one of the worst pieces of public verbal masturbation I’ve read in a long, long time. Give me a break, seriously.

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March 17, 2019 at 08:43 am

Albert, I agree with the fan jumping bandwagons comment. I had some of my most strong disagreements with John Kirk. But, hey, don't forget this "old" Spock, lol. :)

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March 15, 2019 at 07:33 pm

The Packers aren't about front office execs, but about the fans in relationship to the players and coaches.
The Packers are legendary, the greatest team in pro sports; and the Packers will continue in this prime position as long as the people of Wisconsin and fans everywhere hold onto the special character of our past and bring it into the present.
I stayed with the Packers during mostly dismal years in the '70s and '80s, and there's no way I'm going to leave them in good times or bad.
We fans are part of the Packers. We are going to continue to love our players as people, and lift them up, and initiate them into the legend.
Our warm welcome and personal attention to everyone who wears the Green & Gold is going to continually elevate our team into the upper echelons of the NFL.
To Kentrell Brice, for example, you are important to us as a former Packer; and we wish you the very best always.
To Aaron Rodgers, for example, we treasure your past excellence on the field and participation in the community of fans; and we encourage you to dedicate yourself to the future greatness of our team so as to elevate your stature even higher for decades to come.
To leave the Packers for any team is unthinkable; to leave them for the Browns is an absurdity.
There are so few good things in this world. I'm thankful to be a part of the Packers as a loyal fan.
The Packers will continue to be a jewel of Wisconsin and the best gem in the NFL as long as we the fans continue to treasure not only excellence, but kindness and camaraderie and caring.
Welcome to our new guys in free agency; we think you'll like it here.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:07 pm

Goodbye Dash! Enjoy the Browns!

I am a Packer fan for life and while I did not like what took place for the previous 3-4 years I like the direction they are going.

I have always like Dorsey and am not surprised he is doing well and will continue to do well.

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Lare's picture

March 15, 2019 at 07:22 pm

I doubt if Rash is leaving. Those in charge of CHTV obviously want inane posts like his here, regardless of how immature they are.

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March 15, 2019 at 07:45 pm

Those in charge of CHTV want people to express their opinions as long as there is no hate or personal attacks. Those in charge of CHTV don't have wants with respect to comments beyond that.

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March 15, 2019 at 08:04 pm

Thank you Al. I think being called "Rash" by Since 61 and Lare is an example of personal attacks. I hope they read this and understand they are just as bad as they believe I am in their minds. I also didn't appreciate being called out for being John T. Kirk by yet again Since 61. Since 61 has been quite insulting personally attacking me several times today. All I did today was copy and paste John T. Kirk's comment which I thought was brilliant.

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March 15, 2019 at 08:16 pm

On the other side of the equation Dash, you're going to need to grow a thicker skin.

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March 15, 2019 at 11:51 pm

I don't know about that Al. Since I've been here I am looking more and more like The Elephant Man that I don't know how much thicker skin I can grow. A man can only take so many personal attacks by Since 61, Lare, and old man Dawg before one starts to punch back. I'll do my best but man it's hard some times. All this because I support and respect Ted Thompson? In what crazy universe are we living in where supporting and respecting one of the greatest GM's in Packers history has suddenly turned into a bad thing. Amazing.

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March 17, 2019 at 09:13 am

Dash, Since '61 has a history of being one of the most respectful and "gentlemanly" posters on this and the old Jersey Al site. If you feel you are being attacked you might want to look at your own personal foibles. Examples: claiming you "have a gift" for seeing how great a player will be in the future, describing yourself as "extremely smart" (or something similar to that comment), and saying you are giving "my professional opinion" as If you have some "professional" experience in football assessment (maybe you have, but I doubt it). You get thrown back at you what you spew forth. It seems to make you "proud" to get dislikes; that's not something to be proud of IMHO. I never thought you were John Kirk. If anything you remind me of a poster named "Cow" who, I believe, was eventually banned from CHTV. I personally find your inserting of politic comments into Packer discussions to be disrespectful of the forum and of no value. While I disagree with roughly 99% of your comments I don't find it worthwhile to respond to them as your only similarity to Kirk that I can see is you seem, like "Cow", to revel in the attention. Therefore this is one of the few comments I felt any need to make, only to defend an excellent and well respected poster in Since '61. I enjoy Lare's comments as well. Yours I try to skip but unfortunately you seem to love to puff up your "importance" by endlessly commenting what IMHO is a whole lot of ill-thought out (or non-thought out) comments. That's your right, but it is tiresome to have to wade past your inane comments to get to opinions about PACKER FOOTBALL that other posters give here. In my opinion you ,sir, act like a jerk. That's MY opinion which I also have a right to. :) To quote another poster here, "That is all."

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Skip greenBayless's picture

March 15, 2019 at 07:48 pm

Why would I leave Lare and miss out on all the fun reading your swell posts about me. I've been talking football all day while you have been talking about me.

I have no desire at this point of doing what Kirk did and leaving for Cleveland. He's a NeverMurpher and that's his choice and I respect him for his choice. Do I hope he comes back here? Absolutely as I think he's the biggest asset Cheeseheadtv could have and why I suggested a GoFundMe to possibly pay him a salary to stay here. I don't particularly like being insulted by the likes of you, Since 61 and even Mojo (disappointed big time) all because I enjoy coming here talking football. The fact it might not be what some of you want to hear should be celebrated. Diverse opinions to me make for the best discussions.

Dash

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Swisch's picture

March 15, 2019 at 08:44 pm

Agree, Dash, that we should celebrate diverse opinions.
I'm glad to have you around here.
We can all debate robustly, but respectfully.
After all, we're united as fans of the Packers.

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Southside's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:13 pm

If I were Gutekunst, I would stay distant from Oliver. His size, the competition he played against in the ACC and his diminishing production on the field this past year are all warning signs. I think he has the potential to be a bust at the next level. Just my personal opinion.

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ILPackerBacker's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:23 pm

Lynn Dickey and 7 current packer reports run a 40 yard dash faster than Cobb.

Who would have thought that fact would be similar to posters on this site?

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Michael Grunewald's picture

March 15, 2019 at 04:43 pm

I think you are point blank in position to take the best player avaialable, regardless of need. That’s what activity in free agency will do for you. Draft and develop, yes. But, when you miss early and often for five to six years, you WILL have holes that are better plugged in free agency.

IMO, it would be a huge mistake to pull the trigger in a TE at 12. The world may be in love with Hockenson, but the 5th round Kittle is outperforming the guys that went in the first round. In no way, shape, or form, is Hockenson the best player - regardless of position - atbthat spot. With all that defensive talent in the board, and the annual overreaches at the quarterback position, you bet there will be superior talent available here in that end if the ball.

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albert999's picture

March 15, 2019 at 05:54 pm

Go get Cordell Paterson if he’s still available

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Jonathan Spader's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:28 pm

Patterson signed with the bears for 2 years 10 mil.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:41 pm

Patterson and Dix. Chicago just keeps on winning. Unbelievable.

Dash

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Bure9620's picture

March 15, 2019 at 07:17 pm

How is HHCD winning?? The Redskins clearly have buyers remorse and the Bears signed him to a minimal contract. I am not even convinced he starts.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

March 15, 2019 at 07:37 pm

Because you don't know the things I know about Dix ok Bure. At some point you have to start believing the Taryn's, the Old School's, the John T. Kirk's and the Dash Riprock's of the world. We're not bad people. We just think for ourselves and do our homework. Remember, I was the only guy here to predict Aaron Rodgers would be a hall of famer in 2005 when he never took a snap. Yea, I'm pretty good Bure but continue to listen to the herd how LaFrenchie is taking us to the super bowl this season. I am telling you as God is my witness that Clinton Dix is going to have a monster year. He is going to be a Packer killer. I don't like the fact he half assed it in GB any more than you do but it is what is is. There was a reason for it I'll leave it at that.

Dash

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JerseyAl's picture

March 15, 2019 at 07:50 pm

2005? "Dash Riprock" came into existence here in 2013." So you're either making this up or you were here under a different name. If so, let me know what it was so I can go back and verify your claim.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

March 15, 2019 at 08:16 pm

I said it on Yahoo at that time. I was simply trying to make a point that what I said came true. No, I didn't actually say it here Al. I didn't even know this place existed at that time.

Dash

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albert999's picture

March 15, 2019 at 10:03 pm

Riproar your Brandy ole Fashions are making you 10 foot tall and blue proof lately with a chaser of I AM GREAT
Drink a water in between

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albert999's picture

March 15, 2019 at 10:04 pm

spell check.....bullet not blue
sorry

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Bure9620's picture

March 16, 2019 at 12:34 am

You don't know more than I do as you do not posess special super powers I do not. For HHCD It's not just the half assing, it's missed assignments, missed tackles, bad angles, back peddling and locker room influence. I DO think for myself, it's called watching film. Watch HHCD. His Washington tape is identical to his GB tape. Bad. Pretty sure Old school kept saying Philbin would be coach too. Hell, decent chance you are the same person. Maybe let the Lefleur era play out?? He has coached zero games and is a failure already. HHCD has played awful for 2 1/2 years and "will have a monster season." It's nonsense. Try dealing in facts.

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albert999's picture

March 15, 2019 at 09:59 pm

exactly....but i hope they start him he doesn’t even wanna hit someone or be hit
Rodgers will pick him apart and yards after the carry with him around will be huge

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:29 pm

Depending on his price I agree. Dangerous returner and I liked him at RB but not receiver. Moore and Cordell have bad hands in common.

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markgh1's picture

March 15, 2019 at 06:38 pm

In the first round at 12, just draft BPA or trade back for more draft capital and then draft BPA in the first round. We still have A LOT of holes. We are only objectively 2 deep in a 4 of positions, those being RB, DL, Edge since FA, and CB on the entire team.

Since this is a deep defensive draft, they should be able to add another couple players to get one deep everywhere on defense. ILB still isn't 1 deep with starters, maybe Burks can do it in his second year, and then nothing. Getting two starting Safeties is a must. If done through drafting a CB and moving Jackson over so be it. That would be smart.

Offense, where do you start? Either OL or TE. TE in the first 3 rds minimum. Me, I would go for one of the top two in this draft. You need more than 1 starting OL by the way. Turner will hopefully give you one, but wins aren't built on hope. One starting Tackle and one starting guard minimum. It would be a miracle for Bulaga to make the whole season. I would not considerate imprudent to take 3 OL in the top 5 rounds, that would actually be smart if you are committing to the run and play action. Just having a bonifide TE and starting OL changes your offense big time.
Do they need a RB, WR - slot, return man, even QB absolutely but not until those other positions are 2 deep. 2010 was a perfect example of what 2 deep means and how it pays off.

We are still in a sorry state of affairs, but it is looking better with the team building approach that is being executed.

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Bnalbe's picture

March 15, 2019 at 08:57 pm

I worked on mark murphys vacation home in northern door county. He came to the job site and asked do you know who i am lol. Enough said

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The TKstinator's picture

March 16, 2019 at 06:15 am

How did you respond?

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albert999's picture

March 15, 2019 at 10:05 pm

Murphy’s a silent dick
probably paid for his kids college SAT’S
Doooooooh

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OnWisconsinGoPack's picture

March 15, 2019 at 10:09 pm

I think people are forgetting the impact a star, all around TE can have on a team.

Eric Ebron cannot be used as an example because he was uncoverable this year, so maybe the problem wasn't with him but maybe the kitty cats offense and QB.

Evan Engram and OJ Howard have been studs, but don't forget, they are not even the #1 or #2 option on their teams! Not bad production behind the likes of OBJ, Mike Evans, Desean Jackson, Sterling Shepherd and Saquan Barkley.

Gronk wasn't drafted in the 1st due to injuries, but went in the first two or three picks of the 2nd round which is semantics. Kelce dropped due to off the field issues. Graham had barely played football as he was a basketball player primarily.

Others who have gone in the first, Greg Olsen, hell of a pro. Tyler Eiffert dominated when he wasnt injured.

Now let's talk about need. There are two things that come to mind, aging big cap Jimmy Graham and scheme. We'll need a well rounded TE, which Graham is not, to step up quickly, like next year. Not to mention, it allows us to run two TE sets and be a power running team with amazing play action to two dominant TEs. Think Gronk/Hernandez.

It's hard to imagine filling the spot at 12 with Hockenson, but if he's truly that good and he's a perennial probowler at the position, you add damn near any players at 12 with that type of ceiling (except a kicker or punter - sorry Sebastian)

Given the FA movement, this helps put is in a win now mode if they view him as BPA and we should roll with it. TE and OT in the first should be our targets.

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porupack's picture

March 15, 2019 at 11:19 pm

Seems there is a lot of angst about a TE at pick #12 I would submit that it would be a synergistic pick, and while perhaps high pick for a TE position normally, Hock or Fant would be like patching a hole in the screen. A good screen with one hole isn't much good. Get the TE and the whole offense will be elevated more than any one other pick likely to be there at # 12. OG/OT is another hole and needs a high pick.

Simmons might make closely the same impact, but he normally wouldn't be there, and he won't play most of the season.

Round 1
Offense
Hockenson or
Burns, White

If above was Hockensen, then
Rapp (S), or Addierly

If above was Burns/White, then
Lindstrom (G) or Dillard (OT), or Irv Smith

Rd 2
If Simmons is there get him, or get best CB Ya-sin, DBaker or S Gardner-Johnson if S not picked above.

Rd 3
Get TE Sternberger if no TE picked above.
Or Winowich if no OLB picked above, or CB if not picked above

We would be well improved with
Hockenson, Rapp, Simmons, and Winowich

or

Burns, Rapp, Simmons and Sternberger

or

Burns, Lindstrom, Simmons and Sternberger
or
Burns, Irv Smith (TE), Gardner-Johnson (S), David Edwards (OT).

point is....most combinations will make a difference in this world of projections.

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albert999's picture

March 15, 2019 at 11:23 pm

EXCELLENT POST my friend!

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Minniman's picture

March 16, 2019 at 04:48 am

I posted up the thread that I thought that BPA all the way is what GB seem to have prepared for - but this is a great take on the different if/then options on how the draft could fall for the Packers.

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The TKstinator's picture

March 16, 2019 at 06:18 am

Players can be sorted into “buckets” and in that case positions of “need” can be preferred. But don’t reach.

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stockholder's picture

March 16, 2019 at 07:32 am

What's wrong with this draft? No player will start. You talked about Simmons waiting. Hoek is not going to start before Graham. Plain and Simple. Development is for the practice squad. Your on a draft Crush. The Crush is Hoek.( Who was considered 3rd rd. before the combine. ) The solution is the DL or inside LB. Which means your best player to start would be White. But might not be there. Rapp has Rapp. Adderley @30 is perfect for FS. Williams is not ideal. And is a CB. So this would be the right pick. Round- 2 Simmons- OK but will be taken. He will start when healed. This is where you want a third starter. Shoot for RG here. Risner should be here. Even Lindstrom. But if you want a game changer. WR /KR is this pick. Not TE/G/T. Harry or Campbell here. rd. 3 is for depth. Take the one who looks like he could start the quickest. The problem with the draft is your avoiding the DL. If you plan to make the play-offs this year. DL must be addressed. You filled the holes but Daniels and Clark won't be enough.

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albert999's picture

March 16, 2019 at 10:07 am

DK Metcalf will start

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albert999's picture

March 16, 2019 at 10:08 am

Bosa an Sweat will start

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albert999's picture

March 16, 2019 at 10:37 am

Ed Oliver will start

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 16, 2019 at 11:20 am

Great post with very similar thoughts as mine. The free agent haul has left Gute with endless possibilities. It makes for the ideal situation: no true "needs." BPA all the way!
I also want to reiterate that WE don't know what the team sees in the young guys. Many of them have been developing and showing their stuff in practice over the past year; they may have just needed that one year to be ready to contribute a lot more. I think this is especially true at WR and Safety.
TE TJ Hockenson and OL Jonah Williams are my current #12 and 13 on my personal Packers Big Board, so I'd have no complaint if Gute picked either one at 12. One thing to remember about Hockenson is that he is very young, and while he doesn't run as fast or jump as high, he shows WAY more flexibility, effort, and football skills than Fant. I've said all along, that I see the same thing from I Smith--he simply looks like a much better football player than Fant.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

March 16, 2019 at 12:58 pm

I didn't like what I saw of Jonah Williams being destroyed by Clelin Ferrell a few times in January when Clemson killed Bama.

I don't want an OT who gets anhialated like that. I'll take Ferrell in a Packer uniform though. Why are we always seeing Sweat or used to see Polite and sometimes see Burns, but nobody is giving us Ferrell?

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 16, 2019 at 11:25 am

I'll also put in my vote for S Juan Thornhill with 44 or 75; I think he'd be a perfect fit on this Pettine defense. I think he's the best flash-in-and-make-the-interception safety in this class.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 16, 2019 at 12:43 pm

All Mock drafts show Patriots making a trade up from #32 to get Fant or Hockenson.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

March 16, 2019 at 12:45 pm

We just have to hit on our draft picks...too many bad drafts.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

March 16, 2019 at 01:03 pm

You are correct. Hitting on Rodgers (05), Collins (05), Jennings (06), Nelson (08), Matthews & Raji (09), Bulaga (2010) built a great foundation, with Woodson & Pickett great FA additions.

The first pick in 2011 was unfortunate with the broken leg to Derek Sherrod. Then he didn't hit any big ones from Datone to Nick Perry... the duo missed DBs in Randall & Quinten Rollins, Haha laughed his way out.... while continuing to ignore free agency. It's no mystery why the overall talent level in Green Bay was bottom-10 the past few years.

And to think they made the 2016 NFC Championship game still... when Rodgers carried them.

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Spock's picture

March 17, 2019 at 09:32 am

I'm glad Gute got his FA haul, because it sounds like next year will be "quiet".

CHTV won't let me post the link but there is a story on the Journal Sentinel website by Pete Dougherty that indicates Gute anticipates not being able to make a lot of FA moves in 2020.

I'm hoping the Packers can pull off a monster draft -because we need it NOW.

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4thand10's picture

March 17, 2019 at 02:41 pm

I’m on the angry runs Holyfield train.

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