Packers 28 Texans 26: Game Balls & Lame Calls

 

The Green Bay Packers opened the preseason with a fairly solid performance against the Houston Texans at Lambeau Field.  After a few joint practices earlier in the week, the Packers bettered Houston by a score of 28-26.

Several preferred starters did not play in this one so it was all about the back half of the roster and special teams. 

It's been awhile since we've had actual Packers football so in all of the excitement, there will be a few more of these doled out.  Here were the night's good and bad.

Game Balls

Tim Boyle

If only for his touchdown throw to Allen Lazard, Boyle gets a game ball.  His fade attempt earlier in the game and at the goal line was pretty unspectacular but that may have been a hard play call and not as much about Boyle's decison-making.

The back up quarterback battle may come down to the wire with Boyle battling DeShone Kizer with Manny Wilkins on the outside looking in.

Allen Lazard

Lazard made an excellent touchdown grab on a Boyle throw in the second half but the icing on the cake was that Houston defensive back Lonnie Johnson, Jr. was on the coverage.  If you missed it, the picture above showcases the moment and I wasn't missing an opportunity to posterize ol' Lonnie. 

Johnson was booted from the first joint practice between these two teams earlier in the week for two cheap shots on Packers tight end Jace Sternberger.

Darrius Shepherd

Shepherd made a nice leaping catch over the middle for a touchdown on a high throw by DeShone Kizer.  The young receivers made some nice plays in this game and this was certainly one of the better grabs.

Ty Summers

Summers was all over the place and made good on his repuation out of TCU for being very active and often around the ball.  A great look for the young seventh-rounder in his first pro game action.

Lame Calls

J'Mon Moore

Moore finally caught a touchdown pass but he dropped too many balls and struggled with footwork, something he had been working on during the offseason.  For a guy who is definitely on the outside of the wide receiver battle, this game did not help Moore's cause to make this roster.

3rd down defense - tackling

The tackling most of this night was not very good by the Packers.  Understandable as most of the preferred defensive starters weren't on the field.

On third down, the defense was especially bad.  Granted, for Houston it was quarterback Joe Webb, a seasoned veteran against many very young defenders but the sense of urgency and ability to tackle and contain was minimal at best.

This isn't very concerning and on a night when there wasn't really a lot to complain about, this was one thing that stood out.

Lambeau Field 3rd down horn

With an entire offseason to retool the defensive third down sound effect at Lambeau Field, the team came up with something that sounds too much like the electronic flatulance in Minnesota.  How on earth did this pass as a "good idea"?

 

Other observations:

  • Not much to glean from Matt LaFleur's first live game action, which was to be expected.  He looked to be moving around OK on the sideline
  • Special teams - spectacular heads up play by Equanimeous St. Brown on the muffed punt to convert for the game's first touchdown.  JK Scott looked OK.  Mason Crosby is the clear and away kicker.  Coverage units need some work.  Still too many penalties
  • DeShone Kizer started off slowly and wasn't spectacular but he composed and made a few throws before giving way to Boyle
  • Jake Kumerow is going to catch some meaningful balls for this team this season
  • Dexter Williams got a lot of carries and looked the part
  • The young wide receivers and defensive backs looked more promising than any recent season I can recall if we're talking about the back half of the roster
  • Rashan Gary had many eyes on him during his brief time.  While he didn't do anything noteworthy, he showed some of his speed and power which he'll continue to refine over the next few practice games
  • Again, young guys out there, none of which are All-Pro's but tackling was BAAAAD.  It's preseason game one and there's time to see improvement

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Jason is a freelance writer on staff since 2012 and also co-hosts Cheesehead TV Live, Pulse of the Pack and Pack A Day podcasts.  You can follow him on Twitter here

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:13 am

Gary gets a lame call from me for quitting on plays. He did it multiple times. It's disappointing to see it in his first game given he clearly has elite physical traits and talent.

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Runninroo's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:19 am

I totally agree. Hopefully it’s fitness, not effort.

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Cubbygold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:01 am

I hope it's not fitness, players aren't getting any healthier/stronger as the season goes on. For the 'athletic freak' he's been billed as, that didn't come through at all yesterday.

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Swisch's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:17 am

From my reading, it seems that when it comes to hustle. perhaps Summers overdid it, and Gary underdid it.
If Summers wore himself out, and Gary quit on plays, how do you reconcile that contrast? What's a player to do?

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:08 am

Gary looked exactly as billed. Fast, sudden and in need of some refinement. I did not see the quitting on plays.

Summers probably plays less than ten snaps in practice team. He and Crawford did look completely gassed in the 4th quarter. Played pretty much every snap. There is a fitness gap in preseason and returning from injuries too. Should have brought Sheldon in earlier, he might have some promise.

I was mad at them letting Webb escape their grasp, then I remembered the Brady Rule. I think that you can’t take him down below the knee unless running the ball. Hate that rule if true.

Montravius Adams showed some of what Kenny Clark predicted that he would.

There is a lot of agenda here. Boyle did well, but Kizer played against much better players. Apples and Oranges, not that that was Boyle’s fault.

Moore was the only player in line for a spot that I thought hurt himself definitively. He needs to just let his instincts take over. Practice and game: different player, but games count. Unless he turns it around, PS at best. That’s from a big Moore advocate to this point.

Shepherd has something unique. Would love to see him make the roster. He is so darn agile and elastic,

I liked what Redmond did last night, particularly his ability to actually be a safety in good positions. I was disappointed in Jamerson, as I was on Family Night.

Greene looks like the real deal. Nice fumble play too, Don’t understand why J Jones did not dress though.

Hollman can play this year and looks like he has a chance to be a future starter.

Ento is a worthwhile prospect as is Sullivan. Sheldon may be too at linebacker.

Kickers got few chances. Nothing new there. Punts were mostly good, he did outdistance due to low hang on one.

ST needs a lot of work covering returns, despite great work by EQ on the muff and TD. It’s not the gunners it’s the lane assignments.

Too many penalties, particularly early on. Tackling was not good for the most part throughout. I hope the former will improve: I wish the latter would.

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:39 am

great notes coldworld, in agreement.

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mamasboy's picture

August 10, 2019 at 05:52 pm

I didn't see him giving up on plays either, Cold World. Chill out people, he's going to be very good.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:12 am

" What's a player to do?"

Play hard to the whistle.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:00 am

What’s a commentator to do? Verify his or her facts.

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egbertsouse's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:22 am

I focused on Gary. I saw him quit on a couple plays. I saw him not get off blocks. I did not see him disrupt plays or flash athleticism. He looked like his motor was running at about 70% most of the time. It was his first game so he could have been nervous or hesitant or tired. Who knows? I wouldn’t go nuts at this point but I would like to see improvement in future games.

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ILPackerBacker's picture

August 09, 2019 at 12:44 pm

No, you didn't

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 09, 2019 at 12:58 pm

Lookout, the Rashan Gary bandwagon is coming for you now.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 09, 2019 at 11:35 pm

I watched Gary most of the first half. I saw some of the athleticism early on. But then I saw him give up on a couple plays when Webb started rolling away from him that I didn't think he should have given up on. After those plays, he got a lot more quiet. I'm hoping it is more of a conditioning thing and less of him just not having the heart.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 09, 2019 at 11:44 pm

To be fair, Gilbert and fackrell played about as much as Gary did and they didn't flash more than he did

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mamasboy's picture

August 10, 2019 at 06:00 pm

You should be a scout, holecrap. You know everything about a player,even when he hasn't had a single snap in a real game yet. Call Gute today, I'm sure he'll sign you up, so you can show him how it's done.

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murf7777's picture

August 10, 2019 at 12:27 pm

I watched the game in slowmo and saw only one play where you would consider not playing till the whistle and that play was so far away from him that it made sense to save energy. Not sure what your seeing!

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Packer_Fan's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:22 am

They need to find room for Shepherd. Summers and Martinez are starters by the end of the season, fighting to who gets the tackle on each play. And Boyle will be the backup QB.

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Cubbygold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:02 am

Agree on Shepherd. Summers had several poor plays last night that stood out, against backups. I'm not sure he's the answer this year, but maybe next.

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greengold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:13 am

You have to consider Ty Summers entered the game with 8 min left in the 1st when Burks went down, and did not come out until late 4th Quarter. I believe he played more snaps, by a very wide margin, than any other Packers player last night. He slipped on a coverage early, missed a couple of tackles, which they don't practice in today's game. Happens all the time. The tackling will improve on this Packers team - I have zero doubts about that.

He played well, really well in the 1st half, and you could tell the high number of reps kind of wore on him. He would be the first to tell you that he was not happy with his performance, but I think he will surprise many once the season gets fully underway.

Figure these guys are used to roughly 4 or 5 reps in a row during practice. Others were getting gassed too. That's preseason. We may not be used to seeing rookies get so many reps, but that was going to happen with LaFleur holding out so many starters, and Burks going down.

Curtis Bolton also impressed the hell out of me. He and Summers together looked great.

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Cubbygold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:24 am

Time will tell.

I just can't wrap my head around the idea that you could be someone like Summers, a pro athlete with a chance to make an NFL roster, and conditioning is holding you back from being effective in your first appearance.

Maybe that's just the way it is, but I'm trying to picture Ray Lewis or James Harrison coming into camp unprepared. Summers isn't on their level, but he should aspire to be. He can't control opportunity, but he can control his conditioning coming into camp.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:04 am

Agree on Summers GreenGold. On the other hand, Bolton did not impress me at all, including effort on initial viewing. I wondered if he was suffering from what caused him to miss time. Initial reactions can be misleading, but that was mine on him. Sheldon did impress, though that was later on. Crawford and Summers looked wiped out by Q 4.

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sonomaca's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:11 am

Need to see Boyle start a preseason game to get s better idea. If he does well, can keep or trade him.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 12:06 pm

I agree

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hobowilly's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:27 pm

Mr P Fan, in case i've missed something Blake Martinez has been the starting ILB for the last two years and almost lead the league in tackles back to back. So Blake is your starter, FYI. As for Summers, i'm glad for him there're giving him a lot of playing time, albeit largely due to Burks going down which is concerning since we were thin @ ILB to begin with. Ty is still a young inexperienced player. Gutey has his eyes peeled believe it for potential upgrades prior to 5 Sept. Wouldn't it be interesting if he trades J Jones for a vet ILB (even released) and/or a 2020 draft pick? With #42 being banged up (again), perhaps this may force his hand to make a move. It'll be interesting, but PLEASE have faith in Gutey!

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MarkinMadison's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:29 am

The tackling was the biggest thing that stood out to me. Not surprising given the reports from TC. Surprising given that this was an issue last year and I would have hoped a new HC would have a plan to address it. I certainly would have hoped Pettine would have made sure it was corrected.

C'mon Moore. If this team had fewer options I would think that he makes the roster based on draft capital spent and potential. I don't think he makes this roster. He will make a roster somewhere else.

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greengold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:26 am

They don't practice tackling in today's game. I think they will be fine.

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Daren726's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:35 am

Moore will make the practice squad if he clears waivers. He’s not making the team. Oren Burke’s is pretty much done I think.

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Cubbygold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:04 am

If he is, then that's a position worthy of adding/trading for a replacement. ILB was already a position in question heading into last night, if that injury is even remotely serious GB should be looking to make a move.

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murf7777's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:06 am

Agree with Moore and disagree about Burks mainly because the depth and talent at each respective position. Need to give Burks more time and see if he develops....too much athleticism and speed to give up now.

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hobowilly's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:41 pm

Hey Murf! Yeah but......Thompson is gone, as is MM. We all are pulling for #42 Burks, but the new GM has brought a new style of accountability/availability and performance; just say'n. What perplexes me is how Moore was picked well before the other two in 2018 and he's never shown to have consistent hands, which isn't that a major factor in being a pro WR? I recall how optimistic i was going into (even) OTA's last year with the 3 sizeable WR's and i swear thinking 2 out of the 3 would indeed become "contributors". Little did i stretch to believe both MVS and EQ would come along like they have...i expect big things from MVS in particular. Lastly, it appears a rookie such as Sheppard may be slightly ahead of Moore even at this juncture. To this end whoever plays the best until 31 Aug takes that last WR position. Davis is in as as a ST'er so, there's that 1 spot behind the 5 already in (which most folks know who they are at this point).

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:12 am

Why is Burks done? Injury looked bad on field but I hear not serious. Are we assuming that he is made of glass because he hyperextended his shoulder? That’s a big leap from a contact injury.

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Ezra's Hotdog's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:35 am

It was nice to see the ball being snapped with plenty of time left on the play clock. I was wondering about that horn or whatever it was. Sounds like the sound the aliens made in the War of the worlds remake before they attacked...

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murf7777's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:07 am

Sounded like a dying cow....or worse a minny vikings horn....argh!

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4zone's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:22 am

Dieing cow. . .now that gives me an idea. Maybe we should get a recording of a heard of cows complaining about diner and blast it on 10 for every great play when the Viqueens come to town. Hey, nothing tips like a cow eh?

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:13 am

Farting pigs?

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Pierre's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:55 am

Tim Boyle can sure stand in the pocket, make a quick decision, and deliver a nicely thrown pass for a TD. That throw to Lazard was perfect. Also showed he can toss an accurate TD pass on the run when he hit Moore.
Disappointed that he only had one quarter of the game to play...but even then he delivered 2 TD passes and a 158. QB rating. He’s has the physical abilities and tools to be a starting NFL QB and that can’t be diminished by saying the competition is weak...that’s not Boyle’s fault...he made the most of the time given him to play versus the Texans. What else can he do out there to impress?

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Cubbygold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:05 am

Fortunately he has 3 more games to prove it

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Mannix's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:15 am

Excellent take Pierre. I know last year you were a huge advocate for playing Boyle ahead of Kizer as was I. It's always a nice feeling when you support a young player and see things in him that others don't see then he goes out and just kicks ass like he did last night. How I feel this mornin after Boyle's amazing performance is probably how Taryn felt last year when Kyler Fackrell had three sacks in that one game and then went on to have his greatest season to date. I expect Boyle to destroy Kizer as each preseason game goes on and widen the gap between the two so much that it will be obvious to all. By the end of the 4th game Boyle will have outplayed Kizer so bad that there might even be a few people who suggest playing the young Boyle and trading Rodgers. Won't happen but it's my prediction. All good things on the way shortly.

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Pierre's picture

August 09, 2019 at 02:51 pm

If Boyle just gets an opportunity to play QB in the NFL he’ll surprise a lot of people with how good he plays. All he needs is a chance to play in regular games. Just based on the way he stands in the pocket and delivers an accurate deep pass...kind of reminds me of Rodgers coming in for Favre at Dallas and firing pass completions down field so effectively. At that time most still supported Favre but Rodgers should have replaced him earlier than what he did with the QB and arm skills he displayed.
I can see Boyle doing the same thing at QB but as you said, most will staunchly support the veteran until he really falls off the deep end skills wise. Unfortunately it can take away from a team winning consistently over the years at the end of a QB’s careers. I think the Packers are barely over 500 record wise the past five years which is concerning for the future with no QB change being planned.
Maybe Rodgers can get this team going this next season and back to the playoffs. If not, it may be time to plan moving on paying a QB 1/10th of what Rodgers is getting for the same mediocre results.

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Mannix's picture

August 09, 2019 at 03:36 pm

Yeah, I hear ya. I know you and I wanted him badly to play against the Jets in that meaningless game late last year but Philbin wimped out and listened to Rodgers and then Rodgers gets hurt. What a cluster that was. Would have really helped Boyle to have got those reps in live action last year. Thanks a lot Philbin you spineless twit.

I can see "the talk" regarding Boyle and Rodgers start probably late next season. The same thing is playing out again as you said with Favre and Rodgers in 2007. The good news at least to you and I is we can see it. Most others can't. They laugh at us just like I suggested and got laughed at and called crazy for wanting to go with Rodgers in 2007 over Favre. Here comes Boyle now, I see it plain as day the talent as do you and a few others and yet we are getting hit again with major resistance to even discuss it. Kizer is the "safe" loser pick to backup Rodgers. This is what we are up against. smh

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hobowilly's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:06 pm

yo Pierre! RE: Boyle, "All he needs is a chance to play in regular games". So, if and when AR plays the better part of (IF NOT) all sixteen games, how is it that any backup is going to play in substantial situations for GB?
Ya know players such a T Hill only come around every so often, GB had him and didn't quite feel it.
Also, i'm not sure you're giving AR enough credit for what he's accomplished these past (2 poor W/L years); who will ever forget him trotting onto the field from the locker room in the Bear opener last year to pull the game out of the fire? They kept the specifics of his injury under wraps for a reason and he still played well. Not AR wise but well enough and yes, he was "off" no doubt about it. Coupled that with the fact he was still playing with/for MM...sir, i submit that (in itself) is a substantial factor. What i'm trying to share, is: i honestly believe there's a new game in town (lead by pretty good moves by the 2 yr GM). Let's just see what Gutey goes after in the 2020 draft, okay? Don't even be surprised if he makes a move for a vet QB backup before 5 Sept, its possible depending on the remaining pre-season. Without AR, the fleet is without its aircraft carrier!
And MLF, well, perhaps he breaks the mold of a first year HC that makes the playoffs! Sorry, i'm an optimistic packer fan for life....and, why not?!

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nostradanus's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:02 am

Burks can join King on the hard luck injury wagon. That’s too bad, I hope it’s not serious, he’s a good dude.

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:04 am

I don't understand why everyone is throwing Rashan off the deep end! He showed his talent on display in the first quarter and looked like the player he was in Michigan. He looks 100% healthy in general so cause for concern is making no sense to me... In regards to his performance:
He collapsed the pocket, showed the ability to set an edge, was a good tackler (especially against the run), in fact I watched the Texans run away from him multiple times (just like college) because there was no way they could work the outside.. on his side. every opportunity, except maybe one, had it run opposite of him.. especially that first quarter.
Overall, his game was an acceptable start to his career and now he has plenty of film to go over and study to see how he can play more effectively. GRADUAL GROWTH PEOPLE

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August 09, 2019 at 07:24 am

IDK about throwing him off the deep end. But, seeing him give up on backside pursuit way too early several times is disconcerting. It was a compliant about his college game as well.

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:05 am

He's raw. Just like most edge defenders that arrive into the NFL their rookie year. Take a peek at Cameron Jordan's rookie year at New Orleans compared to the current. He's elite now. similar body build to Rashan too. Someone who also praised Rashan during the pre-draft stages due to their similarities. Have patience, jeremy

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August 09, 2019 at 01:00 pm

All I said is I don't like seeing him quit on a few plays. Not that he is already a bust.

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 09, 2019 at 03:14 pm

and you're the individual who's acting like he should be fresh-ready to go- A1 steak sauce out the damn bottle without understanding the physicality and speed that professional football is played at. Look for flashes and splash plays when it comes to Rookies making their NFL DEBUT. Debut. Was Kenny Clark a premier DT his rookie season? No. Was Bakhtiari a stud LT his rookie year? No. My advice is to exercise patience. The game needs to slow down for the guy. Thanks

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:15 am

Going to have to rewatch because I didn’t see that at all.

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August 09, 2019 at 10:28 am

If you want to see the one that sticks out in my mind, watch when Webb roles to his right and starts up field. I don't remember the quarter but I think it was the first half. Gary starts jogging halfheartedly in backside pursuit way too early. If the guy runs a 4.58 he has a chance to get in the play and seal off Webb from cutting back since he's only about 4 steps behind Webb. Never saw that from Clay Matthews or even from Nick Perry.

Maybe it's just preseason and Gary is thinking, yeah whatever and once the regular season starts it won't happen. I am impressed by his physical ability and skills, but not by his effort on a few plays. I didn't watch him that closely either, I mostly watched Summers and Adams on defense.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 09, 2019 at 02:10 pm

Get a life. First pre-season scrimmage and panic sets in.

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Cubbygold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:07 am

It'll definitely be different with the smiths and clark out there. Gary won't be their primary concern, and then we'll see if he can make more flashy plays.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:50 am

You're also right in that we won't depend on his output this rookie season. We paid two starters, to be starters. It's the perfect situation for him. thank you

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Sir Charles's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:21 am

Your first round pick should be able to play at a high level right out of the box. If they need years to develop you picked the wrong guy. That was the big knock against Ted that his first round picks weren't good enough in their first year or washed out.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:48 am

1. It's his FIRST NFL APPEARANCE
2. He played like the player he was in college. You need to reset your understanding of his strengths and weaknesses and re watch the first quarter with a clear mind
3. Less than 50% of first round picks actually work out. His selection was a position of value. A position at the line of scrimmage, and one who pressures the QB. It was the right decision
4. Did I mention this was his FIRST GAME?
5. Why do you care or not if he's a perfect player out of the box? He's not a starter. He's a rookie. He did play at a high level. We are not dependent of his output right away. He's learning the nuances and learning how to pace himself throughout the game. He probably went too H.A.M. the first Q and gassed out, BFD.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:11 am

SMB,
Well stated! Agree!

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:18 am

Absolutely not true of Gary or anyone else picked for upside.

If you pick to be a starter that’s one thing that gets first round potential. If you pick for upside you hope for contribution early but pick for difference making later.

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kevgk's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:42 am

A team drafts to set them up for years of success. They're trying to find players to give second contracts to. Gute has said similar things, and thats why they signed 2 starting OLBs with the intention of drafting Gary if he was available.

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August 09, 2019 at 10:35 pm

Matthews didn't start to shine until midway his first season and he displayed the typical rookie lack of a complete repertoire in the techique department. I don't believe Pettine wants Gary working on a rip move with a shoulder that will need the scope in the off-season. He has been working combos and stunts in practice sessions with the starters and should be brought along at the correct pace.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 10, 2019 at 08:09 am

You are asserting that Gary has a physical limitation that prevents him from using the Rip technique? Interesting.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:27 am

Like this,a lot.

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:40 am

Thank you.

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Lphill's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:36 am

Packers need a veteran QB to backup Rodgers not named Kizer, also need another inside linebacker , I have been saying since the draft Summers will start but is raw, Burks can’t be depended on , I think the Packers realize this now.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:14 am

Summers had some impressive plays....but he also whiffed on an important third down play on the outside run by the QB, which if you watch his Iowa State college game he missed Montgomery a few times so that is concerning about his ability to tackle quick ball carries. He has potential to be a future starter but unless injuries I don’t see him unseating Burks.

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August 09, 2019 at 10:03 am

If you watch the Iowa St. game, AGAIN, you'll see that he played Hakeem Butler, covering the slot, and that he held him to his lowest production day of the entire season.

Butler could only manage 2 receptions for 14 yards, against Ty Summers in coverage.

Butler was regularly going over 100 yds/game.

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August 09, 2019 at 10:35 am

"He has potential to be a future starter but unless injuries I don’t see him unseating Burks"

I'm just curious, what has Burks done compared to Summers that makes you think Summers doesn't have a chance to unseat him? Summers to me made more plays in his very first game action than Burks has in two years due to injury. I really like Burks as well don't get me wrong but to me I look at results and production vs. talk/potential and Summers is already producing immediately just like Martinez did as a rookie. Two inside linebackers that are always near the ball. I like that. Summers is a former qb so he sees the game differently and thinks like a qb. He's a mind reader like a Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher. Martinez is the same way. A smart mind reader from Stanford. Two thinking linebackers that can see the play happen before it's called and know how to make the tackle. If Burks doesn't get healthy soon he'll never see starting reps ever again. If Summers moves in on that spot he's never coming out and he shouldn't. Production and availability matters.

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August 09, 2019 at 11:16 am

I agree availability matters and that is why I mentioned injuries. One preseason game where he made a lot of tackles and missed a couple hasn’t sold me. Doesn’t mean I don’t like his potential.
Keep in mind, I watched his game tapes not just his highlights and you will find he has some good ability but also misses tackles. I can only assume that is why he was drafted late. If that improves watch out cuz he can pack a punch.

Re: Iowa State game I agree he did play very good coverage in that game....funny thou that was the knock on him by some scouting reports.

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August 09, 2019 at 12:10 pm

I like your takes murf so don't think I was busting your balls on this. We are on the same page on Summers it seems. Burks looked great in the very beginning. Then he got hurt. Last night he got hurt yet again. It's similar to Kevin King. I have very little recollection of Burks making plays at this point. All I see is no 44 making tackle after tackle. I don't even know Burks' number that's how little impact he's made in my world.

Many great players (not all) will tend to stand out right away including preseason. I think of Greg Jennings, Jaire, Eddie Lacy, Tim Boyle and MVS last year, and Ty Summers last night. Typically the trend continues in an upward direction for these type of players that stand out so I am very high on a couple of these guys. Of course there's always Vic So'oto to offset my argument.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 01:36 pm

Don’t watch practices I assume.

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August 09, 2019 at 09:23 am

Lol, watch the game. Kizer did well. Watch and adapt views to what happens.

Burks had a contact injury. Kind of reminds me of Rodgers broken foot and the reaction to that. If Burks can’t stay on the field we will see, but if you write off players that easily, we likely wouldn’t have most of our vets.

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August 09, 2019 at 07:37 am

I was pleasantly surprised by Boyle. Offensive line protected well and opened holes. We protected the ball on offense.

We returned two kicks. One we fumbled away. The other we took a penalty and started on our ten. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but we should re-examine returns.

Houston had 100 yards rushing in the first half and was five of six on 3rd down conversions. Yeah , the takeaways were great but we didn’t do a very good job of stopping. I don’t recall them punting once.

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Cubbygold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:11 am

This is an area where analytics could likely show that taking a touchback/fair catch on 90% of kickoffs/punts is probably a better outcome.

One turnover should equate to what, 50-100 return yards? Giving the ball to the other team in scoring position is such a negative value play that doing it even a few times a year probably negates all of the yards (net of penalties) gained through the season.

And, if that's true, the our kickers should understand the value of preventing those touchbacks/fair catches.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:26 am

They played a number of 4th downs rather than punt.

On the running, vast majority of that was Webb scrambling and us playing man. In a game they would adjust to that, so it’s rather misleading.

Not saying it was perfect by any means, but those facts are pertinent.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:17 pm

OS, one element that was missing (at lease from the radio broadcast) was not knowing what level of players were in for the Texans and how long. Obviously Watson nor their star WR played, but their new hot shot CB played pretty much the whole game. Yep, packer back-ups didn't stop very well in 3rd down situations, but Webb vexed them quite a bit with his athleticism. By the 4th, some of the packers were sucking air. 28-26 wasn't all that indicative, but this is the first pre-season game.

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August 09, 2019 at 10:46 pm

Pre-season football is non-contact as far as run stopping goes. CBA covers for the players. You may see more hitting in game two or three, then its another game for the backups trying to seal a roster spot and on the the regular season.

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stockholder's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:44 am

Lame Call OL. David Michalski listed the OL as a Key Battle. Stupid Penalties! We think we have better back-ups. They didn't prove anything last night. Time is not on the packers side here. Being positive, or saying it's a competition? Just not showing results we must have..

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:13 am

Remember the Texans won 11 games last year and not chopped liver.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:28 am

I was not impressed with the O line that started either. Left side seemed to do better than the right.

One call on Light looked BS. That said, it’s a developmental process. Light did not look like Spriggs would have done better.

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August 09, 2019 at 09:53 am

Yeah. Left side was far more consistent and effective.

Coldworld, did you watch Yosh Nijman last night specifically? I did, of course, as I was dying to see how he would do. His run blocking is pretty damn good. His pass blocking needs some work, but made some really good ones too. He's appearing adrift at times, missing or not recognizing players he ought to be picking up after the initial block/contact.

I think it will be interesting to see what they get out of him.

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August 09, 2019 at 10:13 am

I really liked Nijman having not known what to expect. On first view I agree on the run blocking. I wonder how long it will take to improve technique in the pass game. That said, after Light who I thought looked better than Spriggs 2018, Nijman over Pankey based on last night.

He has far more raw talent than any other non starting tackle in the roster. If his pass blocking improves a little he might not just earn a spot on potential but actually improve tackle depth. I worry that he will not make the PS.

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August 09, 2019 at 10:52 am

Thanks bud.

My thinking is he is an out of the box lock for the 53, simply for the potential rewards he offers. He faced serious competition in the ACC and pass blocked very well against their best. His size and athleticism are highly coveted.

Not saying he is the die all right now, but I do consider him a lock for this reason, as he will not last more than 5 minutes on the PS.

I appreciate your take on him. He could quickly develop into a very solid backup LT/RT, and he has experience at both. Has the size and strength to start, but does need some work.

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August 09, 2019 at 12:08 pm

Was disappointed not to see Nijman in earlier. He needs to show against better opposition to really compare.

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August 09, 2019 at 10:51 pm

La Fleur has been screaming at them all week to tidy up the pre-snap movement and get their sets down. He wants more energy, more discipline. It is a good course to follow moving the team away from the culture of the past few years in t camp.

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August 09, 2019 at 09:51 am

They played against second string guys. Taylor is a veteran. The Rbs need better. The packers need to dominate the OL. To many injuries will happen.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:17 am

In a preseason game where there's a mix of starters/backups and playcalling is vanilla, we can only learn so much. SmallMouthBass makes a good point on Gary and how his play may have been affected by the Texans simply running away from him on most plays.

I think the only actionable results from last night were that Moore should be cut, ILB depth needs to be reevaluated, and that regardless of how it's happening Kumerow finds a way to make plays, even when defended by a great DB like Roby.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:29 am

If you watch Michigan games from the last two years, you will find their opponents ran plays AWAY from Gary well more than 80% of the time. That is NO JOKE. Just look them up and watch them to see for yourselves.

Regardless, yeah, Gary came in lacking the moves that make great pass rushers great. There is an ocean of them out there as rookies.

Rashan Gary will work tirelessly to learn and develop those moves, and he has some great mentors to learn from.

What is with so many fans that forget rookies aren't gong to come out and set the world on fire in the 1st preseason game?

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Cubbygold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:37 am

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August 09, 2019 at 09:19 am

well said,
Those fans are expecting a guaranteed future HOF or something, no idea. Not how any of this works. Rashan just needs time to study and reps to practice. Eventually we will see him dominate. We have two starters already in place, we set!

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August 09, 2019 at 09:26 am

I agree we need to look for an ILB and I believe as players are cut who have great depth at that position we will find one. Also, really like Kumerow! Moore to practice squad but not cut. He showed his athletic ability just needs to concentrate better. Jordy and others had similar problems early on.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:29 am

Start by looking at Sheldon more.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:21 am

stockholder, I think you're being unreasonable, and wonder how much of the blocking you actually saw. I watched the game over a couple of times, looking for just that, how certain players were performing, and I came away pretty impressed.

We have a very, very deep OL. Michalski was right. Those were all backups playing last night, with the exception of Taylor, who you are dissing over ONE holding call. Taylor blocked very well, as did Jenkins. Alex Light played well, but, yeah, he got a holding call too. Might as well cut him.

It was the 1st preseason game. Relax.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:28 am

I thought the line held up pretty well, and were pretty consistent. All I can remember over the past few years is Hundley/Kizer running out of the pocket almost immediately. They had plenty of time last night on multiple occasions. Dexter Williams averaged 4.4 YPC, which tells me they were opening at least a few holes for him.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:35 am

Yeah, the run blocking has yet to come together. That usually happens with a consistent starting group. I anticipate the running game will really be taking off by week 4.

The Packers have predominantly been a pass blocking team. I was encouraged to see LaFleur call 24 running plays for his RBs. QBs had 5 attempts on the night. The more this team runs, the better they will be. I am certain of that.

Hoping Matt cranks that number up to about 30+ carries for his RBs in the regular season. It will open up the play action passing game, which can be huge, but, you have to run the football in order to pull it off.

Manny Wilkins completed 61% of his passes out of play action at ASU. I think he might find a spot on this Packers team. He's also a cagey runner, much like Rodgers in that respect, but better.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:55 am

If Boyle overtakes Kizer by the end of camp I'd love to see Manny stay as a gadget player. Design package plays where he can occasionally come in. Thks is how you get value out if that #3 QB spot.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:33 am

I think there is a lot here caused by them not having played together. It just isn’t cohesive.

Individually Taylor did well and I thought Light. Jenkins suffered from what I thought was the least coordination with C and particularly RT, but he is learning guard and to play next to the two on either side, who aren’t exactly vets who can carry him.

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stockholder's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:27 am

1st pre-season game. OK, But 12 penalties for 102 yds, isn't what good teams do. The avg. rushing yards was 3.3 yards. Thats Terrible. The new coach emphasized running. If it doesn't come easy. Their not doing their job. Those were back-ups playing against back=ups. And regardless of great depth. The job they do must still be top -notch. Taylor shouldn't have had any calls. We can't have lineman making the same mistakes. He's a veteran. Holding and penalty calls must stop. If last night performance impressed you. I wonder how impressed you'll be when the injuries mount up again.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:22 am

A lot of complaining after 1 pre-season game here in the comments. I see Packers fans are already in mid-season form.

It’s great to see they just might have something in Ty Summers given Burks’ ongoing shoulder injuries. Hopefully he recovers and is capable of continuing to pursue his dream.

All in all, first live game action for a new coach with the majority of Starters sitting out...I am thrilled with the direction of this team so early on.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:34 am

I agree. The only thing that I can really complain about was the total inability to stop them on 3rd and long, but those weren't the starters,so I'll chalk it up to a learning experience. This week's class should be that, and tackling of course

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August 09, 2019 at 08:37 am

Hey, LaFleur had his guys ready, and they beat a team that went 11-5 last year. Well done! So freaking great to see the Packers take the field, ready to make plays. That alone was refreshing.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:28 am

Boyle looked good but I do think we need a vet as a back up, a good vet not Kizer. I hope that the new coach plays the good players not like MM who seemed to play his favorites. Some of the young receivers looked great. Moore has been kept around a year too long.

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Cubbygold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:32 am

In previous years the defense was so bad that without 12 leading the offense, the season was over. In that world, I thought the backup QB should be a young guy with lots of potential. If they develop him, he's a trade chip that can improve the team. If not, start over again. No sense in carrying a Joe Webb, if 12's out then the seasons over.

This year could be different, and hopefully the next 5 years or so the defense will only get better as guys develop. In that case, I would lean towards a more competent and experienced backup.

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August 09, 2019 at 10:57 am

Best available vet right now is Brock, but by the end of camp our future #2 could be available. Gotta see what you have with who you have right now

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carlos's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:35 am

Some tough cuts coming at DB and wide receiver. I’d let Moore go. Doesn’t have some reliable hands. I wouldn’t let Shepard get away. Cobb - like. Lazard seems like he could stick if his solid play continues. Brown made a good special teams play, but quiet in the receiver end.

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greengold's picture

August 09, 2019 at 08:45 am

Shepherd will make this team. He is that good. Runs great routes, AND catches the football. Highly accomplished and skilled. Fearless and tough.

I like Lazard too. Another baller. Moore is done.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:27 am

GG,
Agree with everything you say!

I think the hard decision for Gute is between Allison (25 years old in last year of contract with minimal value on ST's) and Kumerow (27 years old with injury history and minimal ST's ability), and then Terrell Davis and Shepherd at WR/returner.

ESB much younger with more talent than either Allison and Kumerow, and better ST's, which points to me one of Allison or Kumerow maybe at risk as crazy as that seems.

Crazy but nice situation to be in!

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August 09, 2019 at 11:01 pm

One of them will be traded.

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Mannix's picture

August 09, 2019 at 11:40 pm

Well if you believe one will be traded do you really think from a PR standpoint that the Packers are going to trade away Jesus Christ? Think about it. He's branded "Touchdown Jesus" for crying out loud. People love the thought of Kumerow looking like Jesus Christ out there and playing wide receiver for their beloved Packers team. It doesn't get any better than that especially if he can actually play and he can. The Packers merchandising for Kumerow is in the millions when he starts producing on the field. It's crazy all the marketing opportunities for Kumerow. The Packers would be insane to trade this guy away. He's a major cash cow for the Packers organization. Geronimo is the expendable one and would be the smarter move as Kumerow is the better player and has a clean record. Geronimo has an injury history not to mention a suspension for marijuana possession. This is a no brainer. You trade Geronimo. Having said that nobody is trading for Geronimo Allison or Kumerow.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:19 am

I agree on all of that. I don’t see Lazard cracking the roster though. What he does well Tonyan or Kumerow do just as well.

Shepherd has definitely shown ability and a skill set we don’t have. I don’t think we let that go.

Moore, whom I have supported, is, I have to agree, not mentally game ready. Practice is not enough. There comes a point where you have to believe in yourself and trust your instincts. In games he loses that.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:06 am

Moore is less
Moore is not Lazzard
Less Moore, more Sheppard

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August 10, 2019 at 04:21 pm

I agree we need shepherds talents as wr and st. Hope he continues to do well.

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August 09, 2019 at 01:39 pm

EQ did not play many offensive snaps. Ended up in trainer tent at one point, not sure if that was end of his night.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:38 am

Liked the play of DB’s Holman, Brown, Sullivan and Redmond. Good young prospects.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:43 am

Our secondary looked INSANELY good, for the most part. Have to figure the pass rush was not getting home, and they still looked good and played well.

Hollman, Sullivan, Greene, Redmond, Brown, Ento all looked liked they belonged. That is one deep secondary added to Amos, Savage, King, Alexander and Williams.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:55 am

Only knock on the secondary is that they reacted pretty slowly once Webb decided to tuck and run, but that is also a big ask of your young guys when they're playing man coverage and the ball is behind them. The awareness on the jumped routes and the strip were fantastic.

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August 09, 2019 at 09:02 am

That oftentimes kills man coverage, Matt. No doubt. Thankfully, this is a super talented group and they are sound tacklers, all of them good in run support. A lack of pass rush kills those guys in man coverage too. I don't think we did enough there in getting after the QB from the edges. They applied great pressure up the middle though and forced throws.

This will get a lot better once the real bullets fly with our starters, but, nice to see how deep we are in the secondary.

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August 09, 2019 at 09:37 am

I think as they develop, they're going to have that awareness to see when their receivers anticipate the scramble coming and make sure they don't get blocked away from the running lane. Like I admitted, they're young and it's early.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:37 am

And team was not going to adjust and didn’t.

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August 09, 2019 at 01:46 pm

Again, has nothing to do with scheme adjustments. Good DBs are going to develop a sense for when the pass is coming or when something is going on to his back based on what the man in front of him is showing.

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August 09, 2019 at 08:51 am

Joe Webb being able to consistently burn the defense on scrambles is concerning. It was great to see the defense collapsing the pocket, but we're going to play lots of QBs that will make you pay if you let them escape that early pressure and start moving.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:20 am

Answered above. Vanilla man coverage, no spy, no adjustments.

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August 09, 2019 at 11:02 am

Don't need a spy if you stay disciplined and don't overrun the QB and allow yourself the ability to change path if it looks like he's rolling out.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 12:12 pm

But if you play man your back is to the QB, so a QB like that required either a spy, the OLBs to play to hold, or an adjustment to the scheme. Since the Packers just counties to play vanilla, the result is not surprising.

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August 09, 2019 at 01:34 pm

This is simply not correct. I agree all those scheme adjustments can be done in game on live plays, and I know why they don't make those adjustments in the PS. But our edge guys can change their attack angles or try some different moves to beat their blocker so they aren't getting tied up by the tackles and ending up behind the QB.

The sign of a great defense is when you can play tight man and deliver sacks on QBs with a 4 man rush. Our young guys just don't have the discipline yet to stay in their lane or the technique to more quickly beat their man without resorting to a bull rush, which is going to mean overrunning an even modestly mobile QB.

Don't see why this has to be so controversial. The defensive game plan was developed to show showed exactly what was lacking with that unit, and I was pointing it out.

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August 09, 2019 at 01:43 pm

We agree it was lacking. I am just pointing out that I believe that the reason that it was lacking was because the players were continuing to do exactly what I presume the team instructed. Absolutely no change in approach. It wasn’t like they tried and failed.

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August 09, 2019 at 01:49 pm

No DC is gonna tell their guys to overrun the QB or let yourself get tangled up by tackles when the QB rolls out. They're looking for guys to show what technique they have to beat their man and make the play.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:04 am

Jmon Moore next on the cut list.

Your in and then your OUT!!

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:22 am

I don't disagree

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August 09, 2019 at 09:04 am

There is no way any of us should be worried about that stuff at this point.

Lots of deception and vanilla. This was all about evaluating talent.

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August 09, 2019 at 09:15 am

True, but Pack don’t look like a Super Bowl team right now.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:29 am

S,
LOL!

Presume that was made tongue in cheek hopefully!

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murf7777's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:33 am

How can you access a teams ability when Playing only 3 starters on either side of the ball for a short period of time? The backups played good and won the game.

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August 09, 2019 at 02:04 pm

They played fine. There were some things to clean up, and one should hope those things are cleaned up, as history says those second team players are going to get a not inconsequential number of snaps. The less the offense or defense has to do to "cover up" for a player the better, as those adjustments have consequences elsewhere in the field and out more pressure on everyone else to execute perfectly.

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August 09, 2019 at 09:35 am

Side note: If thick sarcasm then it flew right over my head.....and yes quite funny.

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August 09, 2019 at 09:44 am

Adams looks like a man on a mission and with better players around him I believe he will be very disruptive up the middle.

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Rick1's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:08 am

The rookies are showing they belong. This team has been built by competition and it shows. I think they have tough decisions in secondary. When the ones play in week one we will see the real packers. They are better than people think. Rodgers in the play action game is going to be deadly. This coaching change needed d to happen, and from watching the backups we are better this year.Defense is ball hawking and shows glimpses of dominate play.
Offense you can see the improvement in the wide zone and the backs timing will only get better with reps. The passing game with the under routes lets slot guys and TEs get up the seams easier.

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