Packers: 24 Rams: 10

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Packers' win over the Rams. 

Clay Matthews, Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Datone Jones

Wide Receivers' Lack of Separation

Richard Rodgers

 

 

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 12, 2015 at 08:39 am

Despite a different post I made, Datone played a nice game. May need to re-watch to see if he was up there with CM3 and Ha Ha who were out of this world. Tough to keep out Rollins with 2 INTs and a TD, but he did blow coverage that one time.

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PackerAaron's picture

October 12, 2015 at 09:07 am

Thought about Rollins. The pressure really caused the pick six, which was thrown right to him. But def a worthy candidate.

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Dan Stodola's picture

October 12, 2015 at 10:48 am

I believe Datone also had the pressure on Foles that caused Hyde's INT.

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ben's picture

October 13, 2015 at 11:00 am

Dix was out of this world?

What 1 play was "out of this world?"

I'm guessing not the one where he held and pass interfered on the same play; then on the next play missed an open field tackle by the goal-line and gave up the touchdown. single handily giving the Rams their only touchdown

"out of this world"

Doug, you homers are delusional.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:48 pm

Or they could be talking about the TD saving tackle he made. Ooo! How about the INT he had in the endzone?

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ben's picture

October 13, 2015 at 11:37 am

Oooo! That was the best shoe string tackle ever. Great Play. OUT OF THIS WORLD!!!

And the pass that was tipped to him, What a pick! he read that all the way! great coverage!

His holding, pass interference, and missing a tackle costing the pack their only touchdown make these 4 plays a wash. He had 5.5 other tackles, 2.5 of which he got ran over and gave up more yards than he should have.

Rollins and a very good game, Hyde had a good game, Matthews had a great game, dix had an average game. Exactly mediocre, looks great doing it, but his play was nothing better than mediocre.

I was at the game, 30 yard line, row 7. I get on here and start reading how Dix played "out of this world."

really?

I go back to the tape, every snap. Without the lucky pick in the endzone, Dix had a poor game. A net negative game.

That's a fuckin fact you intellectually corrupt homers.

Watch the tape. Now try it objectively.

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Dan Stodola's picture

October 13, 2015 at 11:45 am

Everyone says Collins made a great play on the INT in the SB. Yet that ball was tipped. That's how a lot of plays happen. It doesn't change the fact that he made a play and got a Turnover. Surely Thomas deserves some credit, just like Green did in the SB.

Any tackle that saves a TD is a big play, not matter if it was a shoestring or a slobberknocker. Either way it saved a TD!

Freaking Viqueens troll.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 13, 2015 at 11:59 am

Really?

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 12, 2015 at 06:25 pm

Well Ben, he had a huge roll in a defense that held Foles to a QBR under 24. Missing the other starting safety, he came up big in supporting the run, making 6 tackles in the process. He saved a touchdown on the tackle when Rollins was beat...a play that not many other safeties could make. He intercepted a pass in the endzone on a diving catch where he turned his back to the ground to make sure he didn't have any issues with the ball hitting the ground a la the Rams' interception. So, yes, he was out of this world. And CM3 was out of this galaxy flying around like a UFO.

As for being a homer, I am totally guilty. I think this team will win every game 50-0. It's fun to be a homer for the 5-0 Packers...God's gift to football. Our players are all more skillful, our coaches are smarter, our fan's are better looking, the bars around Lambeau have the best beer, our parking lot attendants park cars straighter, the Lambeau turf is greener, and everyone associated with the program is more righteous than any other team in the league.

I've been a smiling homer for over 50 years and, God willing, I'll continue to be a homer until my ashes are spread on the Onida Street practice field. It will be a life well spent. For your sake enjoy this. Don't be grumpy and full of bile.

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Koosh's picture

October 12, 2015 at 09:34 pm

Just don't ever quote QBR....so bad.

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Dan Stodola's picture

October 12, 2015 at 11:21 pm

"Don't be grumpy and full of bile."

He can't help it. He's viqueens fan who comes here to troll. Nothing more.

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ben's picture

October 13, 2015 at 11:58 am

and this is precisely the reason why after being a Packer Fan for 38 years, I just can't be anymore. I respect objective thought and reasoning to much. And the lack of it here, makes me sick.

you lack objective thought doug. Way to go

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ben's picture

October 13, 2015 at 12:11 pm

and stroh,

your just a turd.

I own you and you know it

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eqfan592's picture

October 13, 2015 at 08:01 pm

*you're. And frankly, the fan base is better off without people like you, ben. I think the Bears might be in need of some fans right now. Cutler could use a new cheerleader. ;)

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eqfan592's picture

October 13, 2015 at 08:02 pm

Deleted. Why this posted three times is beyond me. Lol

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eqfan592's picture

October 13, 2015 at 08:02 pm

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Dan Stodola's picture

October 13, 2015 at 11:30 pm

You own me huh... What ever you say Has Been. Your not objective your constantly negative and particularly so w/ Clinton-Dix. He's in his 2nd year and he's developing nicely. He's not Nick Collins and may never be, but Collins was terrible for 3 yrs, while HHCD is average in his 2nd season and getting better.

Hope that's objective enough for you Has been. Feel free to become that on this site. You won't be missed.

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murphy's picture

October 13, 2015 at 12:38 pm

We'll miss you.

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porupack's picture

October 13, 2015 at 01:01 pm

Why would you stop being a packer fan after 38 years because a few people are over optimistic? I agree with some of your points about over inflating assessments, but that is just how they enjoy the game. I also tend to be a bit more critical of my assessments (or objective) as you suggest. But, hey, in the end...it doesn't really influence the performance on the field or result of the game....so have just have fun arguing anyway.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 13, 2015 at 02:08 pm

Dude, I do objective thought all day. The weekends (and beer and the Packers) are for fun. God gave us all three because he loves us. I come here because I'm a fan (which is short for fanatic). Objective thought is not my goal is is almost antithetical to fandom. Having a good time with other fans of the greatest team on earth is why I come here.

It seems like you are pretty proud of your intellect. You apparently "owned" someone too (see how I spelled "too" correctly?). I truly hope you get over your sickness and can just enjoy rooting for the 5-0 Pack. I also apologize for being overly enthusiastic and irritating you.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 13, 2015 at 02:16 pm

You don't need to apologize to anyone for being an enthusiastic fan. I am one as well. Its why I come here. If someone has a problem with it, they don't deserve to be here...

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 13, 2015 at 03:07 pm

Thanks RC. I just wanted to ease his pain. Ben's obviously not a happy guy. I've got a great life and my team is 5-0. It's all good.

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4thand1's picture

October 13, 2015 at 04:21 pm

What a crock of shit. Stop being a fan after 38 years, just because you think fans are being homers? Pretty hard not to be optimistic when your team is 5-0. I really find it hard to believe you're a fan of the Packers at all.

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Ibleedgreenmore's picture

October 12, 2015 at 08:41 am

Man I am thinking how great they are playing with so many key parts missing. I will take all the ugly wins we can get. We were never behind and the defense just kept the pressure on .

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 12, 2015 at 08:49 am

Agreed! I've never seen the D playing with the speed shown against the Rams. It was awesome. The only bright side of the injuries is we'll have some fresh legs in the 2nd half of the season. A lot of away games, but won't be long before people are talking about a....oh, never mind.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

October 12, 2015 at 09:19 am

Lol,thank you for not mentioning it. Whew!

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zoellner25's picture

October 12, 2015 at 09:03 am

Although the defense played really well overall, they gave up too many big runs in the 2nd half and needs to get corrected.

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Dan Stodola's picture

October 12, 2015 at 11:57 am

They did give up some big runs, but they were all after the Packers had a 2 TD lead. Packers were in heavy pressure pass rush mode and not too concerned about the run at that point. Most of that was against nickel D w/ only 2 DT on the field.

That pressure also led to the 4 INT's and another defensive 2nd half shutout. So I wouldn't sweat it too much.

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4thand1's picture

October 13, 2015 at 05:00 pm

Didn't the Cardnals give up 100+ yards to Gurly in the 4th quarter?

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D.D.Driver's picture

October 12, 2015 at 09:51 am

Lack of separation? Didn't you see Montgomery's TD? I kid.

BTW, I can't wait to read a headline that says "Montgomery Burns Secondary." You can use that. (With proper attribution.)

Exxxxxcellent.

::strums fingers together::

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Dan Stodola's picture

October 12, 2015 at 10:59 am

2 DB's went w/ R. Rodgers on crossing patterns and they left Montgomery all alone. Blown coverage. That doesn't qualify as gaining separation.

Sorry missed the "I kid."

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FITZCORE1252's picture

October 12, 2015 at 12:45 pm

I see what you did there.

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Idiot Fan's picture

October 12, 2015 at 09:33 am

I actually love the fact that we are winning games, yet we are coming out of games thinking that we can and should play better. I much prefer this to 2011. Get this team battle-hardened now, get some guys back healthy, and go on a late-season run.

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zoellner25's picture

October 12, 2015 at 10:49 am

Agreed, blowing teams out each week is bad for the ego. working hard for wins each week is much better long-term.

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toolkien's picture

October 12, 2015 at 10:57 am

This is season is shaping up so much more like 2010 than 2011. Why one wins it all is on gossamer threads and is tied so closely with the turnover margin there's no way to say this is a championship caliber season, but in 2011 the Packers were a great, at the top of the all time charts, offense and a mediocre defense (that combined didn't sustain turnover margin proficiency) while 2010 was pretty much balanced, with any skew going toward the defense. The 2010 was one of the best in team history which has largely sailed under the radar. This defense isn't looking quite as got YET. If they keep up the pressure and force bad plays from the opposing QB, the Packers are in as good of shape to win it all as they were in 2010.

They just have to get healthier overall and not more unhealthy. But that's in the hands of fate.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 12, 2015 at 09:42 am

Simple one for me.

Good: Defense
Defense has now basically won 2 games back to back weeks. They are only going to get better with younger players gaining more experience.

Bad: Offense
The offense just isn't in sync right now. The run game was bad. And with the injuries at WR, it is hampering the passing game. Basically the top 3 WR (not counting Nelson), all were hurt yesterday with 1 not playing. Cobb you can tell is trying to play injured. Jones was playing hurt and Adams is still out.

Rodgers needs to start trusting the healthy WR's he has and that includes guys like Jeff Janis and Jared Abbrederis.

Ugly: Injuries

With 4 more players getting hurt in yesterdays game, the bye week can't come soon enough. The 2 injuries I am most concerned about is Lang and Perry.

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John Galt III's picture

October 12, 2015 at 11:49 am

Disagree on injuries - Raji was great against the run. The Rams got virtually zero yardage when he was playing. As soon as he was injured the Rams ran all over the place. No Raji and people will run the ball on us just like the past few years.

Raji can't come back soon enough.

Obviously I would like the other (3) back as well.

This was a costly victory if those (4) are out for any length of time.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 12, 2015 at 12:24 pm

Basically what I meant by the injuries is, I was most concerned about them because the severity of those injuries. Those players were taken to the locker room and never came back to the sideline at all. Where Raji was on the sideline afterwards.

I just saw on twitter that Lang's injury is not believed to be an ACL injury which is good news.

I agree with Raji though. After he left is when St Louis started to run the ball well. With the way he is playing he might be the most important of the players that were injured yesterday.

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Packer_Pete's picture

October 12, 2015 at 12:42 pm

Couldn't agree more on Raji. After he left, the D went softer. Plus, the internal pressure only came when CMIII blitzed through the middle. Before that, Raji constantly got a push. Guion and Pennel are alright, but they provide no push through the center at all. They hold their ground against the run, which is good, but it's easier for an opposing O if Raji is not in there.

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sheppercheeser's picture

October 12, 2015 at 09:45 am

Thank goodness that R Rodger's miscues didn't cost us the game! I'll cut him some slack- he's young and I don't expect another effort like that.

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mrtundra's picture

October 12, 2015 at 10:00 am

It's always a bad thing when a penalty takes points off the board. RRodgers had a less than stellar mental game, but he did extend the one drive late in the game. He will be great for us. Sunday was just not his best day.

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John Galt III's picture

October 12, 2015 at 02:17 pm

On the replay it appeared that Rodgers had two people two block so there was a busted assignment somewhere. The outside man had got around him while he was blocking a Ram one player to the inside. So he grabbed the jersey of the player who had gotten around him.

It is possible he saved the kick from being blocked. Not really sure.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:45 pm

You are right... And I think Richard will be elite TE next year! So, few youth mistakes can be forgiven!

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Funcrusher's picture

October 12, 2015 at 10:18 am

Put the Packers run game in the Bad category. Rams have a great front seven, but the need to get a better push. Other than the one James Jones touchdown, the offense shut down during the second half.

With the Rams defense using two deep safeties, Cobb should be killing it in the short passes in the middle of the field. Not sure if the Packers aren't using him correctly or if he is that hurt, but they need to figure it out.

I know it's early but Clay Matthews needs to be in the running for DPOY. It can't be overstated how impactful his presence is on defense. This might end up being the best season of his career.

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zoellner25's picture

October 12, 2015 at 10:50 am

ARod said after the game they were taking away Cobb. I didn't pay that close attention but Cobb was quiet, and they never lined him up the backfield. I think they doubled him all day. Not having Adams is hurting us the most I think.

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EdsLaces's picture

October 12, 2015 at 11:04 am

So we turned into the Seahawks of the past couple years? Oh well. So right now our defense is winning us games. The only difference is we have AR. Our 3rd and 4th wrs right now are very young and will get better as the year rolls on. I saw a miscue with Monty, but I also so him make a couple damn good plays. He has great hands and is a monster when he has the ball. We get 17 back and a little freakin good luck with the injuries on the OL....and BAM we are the 2010 pack. Loved HaHa in this game he deserved the good spot go pack gooooooo!

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EdsLaces's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:05 pm

tTwins you seriously disliked my post..you are such a douche bag.

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4thand1's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:18 pm

He's lurking, everybody gets an automatic dislike.

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EdsLaces's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:39 pm

Almost hit you with a dislike just to make things interesting haha.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 13, 2015 at 12:29 am

LOL. Agree with the gist of your post, Eds. Monty had godawful hands in college. Brutal. So far he looks good, and his hands have been okay. Just one bad drop that I can recall in 16 targets (equates to a 6.25% drop rate, which is okay for a receiver - small sample size though). Still, he looks like someone who can be a good WR in the NFL given time.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 12, 2015 at 11:32 am

Not a lot of comments on CM3 yet. He is so fun to watch. The spin move on the double team to get right in Foles' face was amazing. Slicing up the center for the sack was so fast I almost missed it. He generally made Foles' day traumatic. Only 1.5 sacks but it could have been 5 or 8. Then we see him covering someone deep down the middle. We are verrrry lucky to be able to watch him every week.

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John Galt III's picture

October 12, 2015 at 11:54 am

The announcer on CBS (Fouts or the other guy) relayed that CM III said that this was the best defensive personnel the Packers have had since he joined the team. I agree and pray that the (4) injuries are minor.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

October 12, 2015 at 12:06 pm

Not sure I agree putting Richard Rodgers in the Ugly category. Yes, he made some mental errors, but he also led the offense with six catches for 45 yards. Maybe you meant A. Rodgers with his three turnovers?

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denniseckersley's picture

October 12, 2015 at 12:27 pm

I love RichRod he was turrrrible.

You don't lead an offense with catches, you lead it with yards.

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Packer_Pete's picture

October 12, 2015 at 12:38 pm

"You don't lead an offense with catches, you lead it with yards."
not as a TE, unless you're talking about Gronk...

I would not put RRodgers into the 'ugly' category. But I would put ARodgers into that one for yesterday as well. some real ugly throws. he could've been intercepted a few more times. I don't think he is playing particularly well since the third game.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 13, 2015 at 01:05 am

It is not an either or situation. Aaron Rodgers was bad - of course, his receivers were worse than he was. This is the first game in ages that I thought Aaron Rodgers' pocket awareness was bad: he left the pocket when he did not have to rather often.

Richard Rodgers was ugly. Catching passes by leaking out into the flat is not indicative of great play - it is routine for a TE, and the Rams ignored him, realizing that he lumbers, and that CBs and safeties will tackle Rodgers with ease. No breaking the tackles of DBs for this 270 lb TE; it may be that Rodgers dislikes contact, which, if true, bodes poorly for his development as a blocker.

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porupack's picture

October 12, 2015 at 02:35 pm

some irrational comments on this site in the last two days. "glad that ARodgers streak of no INTs at home is over....now he can get on to playing football" and "glad we're not blowing out teams but winning ugly games"
Are you all kidding? I'd take ARodgers no-INT streak for another 2 years, and I'd take a team that blows out opponents any day. That is nonsense.

Just b/c GBP is 5-0 isn't time to start getting giddy. And just b/c GBP wins a game is no reason to be satisfied. That kind of offense isn't going to be enough in the playoffs, nor against top tier teams. I think packer fans seem a little too happy to excuse non-excellence. I can't relate to a lot of the posts above. A dominant win is way better than a sloppy close game. Period.

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EdsLaces's picture

October 12, 2015 at 06:04 pm

5-0 When you're not even playing your best football is definitely something to be "giddy" about. Cmon mannnn...

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Since'61's picture

October 12, 2015 at 08:48 pm

So Porupack are you saying that if the Packers won all of their remaining games including the post season as they did yesterday you would be dissatisfied? I know that I would sign up for that right now. How many teams or QBs would be 5-0 missing their #1 WR, their #3 WR Adams, an injured slot receiver, a starting RB at about 70%, missing the starting RT for 3 games and playing with one TE who is not very fast. I agree that it is not time to be giddy but a dominant win and a sloppy win both look the same in the standings, so speaking for myself I'm satisfied. I'll take a sloppy win over a loss any day. You say the offense won't be good enough in the playoffs, they will be if they get healthy, but if not our defense is finally looking good enough to win a playoff game for us. Why worry about games that are 3+ months away. The only game we have to win is the next one. We'll worry about the rest when they get here. Enjoy this victory and take one game at a time. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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porupack's picture

October 13, 2015 at 04:15 am

Well, your questions are good ones, but that is imagining hindsight, rather than predicting the future. Sure, I'll take ugly win over a loss anytime. I'd take a season of ugly wins if that led to even getting to SB. But after game 5, I'm just observing and saying...that it isn't excellence, and ole Lombardi would give em hell and be sayin the same.
On excusing the poor play due to injuries....well, I'm not going to concede that except if it was a clear essential player in the unit; such as a QB or #1 WR, or an elite player such as Gronk for NE, AD for Minne. All teams are hit with key injuries I believe, and find great performances.
I see Bengals, Falcons, Cardinals playing better football right now, but admittedly I haven't watched more than 1-2 games of Bengals/Falcons, and just portions of Cards.
I am optimist however, so don't mistake me for a full time grump. I'm glad to see such playing time for young players...and the rookies have shown TT to be a genius, b/c at the opening of FreeAgency, DBs and WRs seemed reasonably strong groups. I think all units will get much better and after the bye, they begin playing more complete. Hoping mental errors and penalties get addressed.
Anyway, my point was some of the irrational comments, like...glad the 0-int streak is over....

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 13, 2015 at 05:44 am

"...that it isn't excellence, and ole Lombardi would give em hell and be sayin the same."

That's hilarious when addressed to Since '61, almost below the belt. Of course, there no saying what Mr. Lombardi might privately think about such things. I'm pretty sure Coach Lombardi would be giving them hell in the locker room.

I don't think there is that much separation between your positions. I am probably more grumpy than you are, because I think while the return of Davante might help, but I don't think he is going to fix the issue because failure to gain separation is Adams' biggest problem.

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4thand1's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:00 pm

Why didn't MM challenge to second int? Then he challenges a 1st down???? The so called 2nd pick wasn't a pick. R Rodgers had a huge drop, could have been a TD. The tipped pass was a great defensive play. Lot of ugly plays in this one. Thump whinning Rivers and welcome the buy.

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Evan's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:10 pm

All together now: turnovers are automatically reviewed!

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4thand1's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:17 pm

No they're not.

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Evan's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:22 pm

Yes they are.

McCarthy actually got a 15 yard penalty for challenging a fumble by Cobb after the rule was changed in 2012.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000051219/article/mike-mccarthy-pac...

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 12, 2015 at 03:26 pm

Evan is correct. A couple of years ago they changed that, so that All turnovers and TD's are automatically reviewed.

I think it was last year or the year before Jordy ran over and picked up the challenge flag to avoid getting a penalty for the challenge.

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PaulRosik's picture

October 12, 2015 at 05:28 pm

If he tried to challenge a turnover he gets flagged for it.

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Dan Stodola's picture

October 12, 2015 at 05:33 pm

That was also the play Long was injured. Extra long break allowed the Packers plenty of time to look at replays. Sure they didn't see a reasonable chance it would be overturned on replay. Would have wasted the TO and a challenge.

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4thand1's picture

October 12, 2015 at 06:22 pm

Its not the turnover, its whether or not the ground helped him make the catch. So what your saying is they looked at it and said the ball didn't move? Dan Fouts said it wasn't a catch. I was under the impression of a legal catch or not. Something smells rottin.

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Evan's picture

October 12, 2015 at 07:18 pm

Whether or not the ground helped him make the catch is the turnover. It's an automatic booth review.

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Evan's picture

October 12, 2015 at 07:19 pm

Wasting a TO and challenge have nothing to do with it. It's a turnover and automatically reviewed. To challenge it would be a 15-yard delay of game penalty.

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4thand1's picture

October 12, 2015 at 09:58 pm

So IMO and a lot of others, the replay booth blew another one.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 13, 2015 at 06:49 am

yes. my opinion too.
The guy made a great play, but that was not a catch IMO.

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Evan's picture

October 13, 2015 at 07:03 am

Oh, totally. The replay booth blew it. IMO, according to the letter of the rule, it was clearly not an INT - it hit the ground and moved. But it was a great play by the CB.

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4thand1's picture

October 13, 2015 at 05:06 pm

That's what I hate about those little stop routes on the sidelines. You gotta drive the defender back a little more and come back to the ball. If that throw was a split second later, its a pick 6.

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dullgeek's picture

October 12, 2015 at 07:05 pm

Was a little surpised not to see QB1 in the bad. Did you think of putting him in the bad? What was your reason for leaving him out?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 13, 2015 at 01:20 am

Datone had an excellent day as a pass-rushing specialist with 3 QB hits, and the blocked FG. In run defense, well lets just say that he is not playable in base. If Datone is on the field and the other team runs, there is a high probability that the run is directed at him, and for a very good reason.

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Since'61's picture

October 13, 2015 at 10:05 am

The Good: Our defense
The Bad: Our run game
The Ugly: Not playing until the whistle on the alledged "free play", and letting up and allowing a sack/ fumble by Rodgers. No excuse for letting up on that play. Beginning in Pee Wee football we were coached to play until you hear a whistle. No excuse, could have gotten Rodgers hurt. Another bad play by Bakthiari.
Thanks , Since '61

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 14, 2015 at 10:13 am

Well, in fairness, beatwriters have indicated that Linsley snapped the ball early because he thought we had an offsides situation, so it was snapped before Bakh expected. Still, your point stands. OTs can't necessarily watch the ball to see when it is snapped; they need to look at the defensive players too in order to anticipate stunts or the blitz.

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