Started reading this post prepared to disagree.

You changed my mind.

He needs to shut up until he does something important.

I agree. If he sees something that's correctable, he should ignore it and let that player continue to make that mistake. And he should ignore it calmly, because football is definitely not a game of emotions.

And Aaron Rodgers is most definitely not the coach and has NO RIGHT doing this! Peyton Manning isn't going to the hall of fame for basically being the offensive coach so Rodgers has no right to try to help. Quinn Johnson and Andrew Quarless know the offense as much, if not BETTER, than the QB Aaron Rodgers.

Knock it off, Rodgers. Stop trying to help.

Also, play perfectly or your opinions don't matter apparently.

Wouldn't we all love to scream at Quinn Johnson given the opportunity :)

I wonder what info people will use to take Rodgers down a peg if he does ever win a Super Bowl? Or is that the end all for a QB? You can do and say what you want as long as you've got a ring. I guess Trent Dilfer is testimony to that theory.

More to the point, I don't have a problem with it because I've watched Rodgers in person off the cameras after teammates make mistakes and he often comes over and gives them the pat on the butt and moves on. In Wilde's article he quotes Rodgers as saying some guys respond in different ways, some need in your face type of encouragement while others need a calmer approach. Maybe Quinn and Quarless need the former

Agree with you on the most part, but I think hardware doesn't change a thing. I hate it when a QB shouts at anyone, because he thinks he is superior. He really isn't, even with a ring or a MVP-title.
I mean, do you really want to tell me, Tom Brady doesn't seem like "a petulant child" when he screams around madly? ;)
Nice work, after all.

I agree with you Aaron. To me, the counterpoint to this is the fact he's the quarterback. He's the leader, he's the on-the-field coach. He has to be. It's the position he plays.

Does he have to yell? No. But if Tiger Woods needs to act like a pompus ass, cursing profanities to get himself in the right mindframe, then that's what he needs to do. Then again, Tiger doesn't have 10 other guys on his team.

At the end of the day, whether I agree or not, I think Aaron should be himself.

And I think with time, we'll see less blowups.

I would not put the QB holding the ball too long in the same category as lining up incorrectly. Lining up incorrectly is a direct consequence of not studying hard enough during the week. If I were Quinn Johnson, getting yelled at by Aaron would motivate me to study harder and not make the same mistake.

I don't buy that he needs to win a Superbowl to earn that right. That would make it somewhat of a catch-22, after all, he is only doing it an effort TO win the Superbowl.

So are you saying Brady, Warner and Manning didn't yell at guys until they won a Super Bowl?

I'm betting they did get in guys faces before they won, and on their way to winning, because they're leaders and they have high expectations.

The fact is, the Packers wouldn't be where they are without Rodgers, not just because he's talented, but because he's a leader, and if his way of leading is to be emotional and to yell, there's nothing wrong with that, because even with his mistakes, he still gives the Packers a great chance to win.

Aaron, I totally understand what you are saying, but an important part of the article that stirred up this nonsense was when Rodgers talked about him knowing which guys needed a pat on the butt, needed a sit down talk blah blah...As long as Rodgers knows his guys well enough to know which situations dictate which actions I have to put faith in QB1. He is still new and he is still learning what it means to be a leader.

Yes he yells at people. yes he is at fault at times too. But as far as i can tell he only gets visibly upset and frustrated with teammates on the field when they do make incredibly stupid mistakes. who cares if other successful guys do it, who cares if he hasnt won anything. its how he operates and im sure the players he yells at immediately realize what they did wrong.

Obviously, Nagler is not 'QB Coaching Material' ...... The QB is the coach on the field ..... 'On the run' instructions on the field by the QB may save the next play, the drive & ultimately the game ..... But you would rather wait for the after-game film study to make corrections ...... Ridiculous ......

Aaron Rodgers is wrong on this one. He looks like a spoiled brat with an elitist viewpoint. His behavior is hypocritical as you say, Nagler and I'm sick of it as well. He's arrogant and as Driver said, he's cocky. What he has reason to be cocky about I have no idea.

Grow up Aaron Rodgers.

PS - Today's #naglerdefine: was 'petulant'

Winning a Superbowl won’t give Rodgers any more cred with his team than he already has. I mean, they’ll all be Superbowl champs at that point, so how would that bestow some right to holler at the rest of the Superbowl championship team?
The question is “does it work or not?” It doesn’t matter if someone “deserves” or “has earned” some right to holler. If it works, do it. If it doesn’t work, don’t do it.
I think some people need to get yelled at occasionally to light a fire. Others don’t. A good team leader knows which players are which and responds accordingly, regardless of whether he’s won a Superbowl yet.

Imagine getting an icy stare from Bart Starr? The greatest leaders are those that are least-demonstrative.

But I think the media is starting to look high and low for Rodgers' faults.

One of the old #4 stories I always liked was when Frank Winters hiked him the ball and whiffed on his block and got Favre sacked, from the ground after the play, Favre fired the ball at Frankie's backside. What if Rodgers did that?

Gee. I can't imagine why QB1 won't go on your show. ;)

I completely disagree. And I don't think it's an absolute that you can NEVER hold onto the ball "too long". Sometimes you can take a gamble that with another second something will open up, either a WR or a running lane. Vick and Roethlisberger do it all the time, sometimes with good results, sometimes not.

It's not the same as lining up in the wrong place before the snap. There's no excuse for that. That's just not doing your homework on Monday-Saturday.

And the idea that you have to win a championship or MVP award to be vocal in your leadership is just silly. By all accounts he has the complete respect of his lockerroom. It may make you uncomfortable, but it doesn't appear to bother the guys at all. This isn't kindergarten. They're big boys. They can handle it.

Agree with you here, Aaron. I yelled at the TV when I saw AR yelling at QJ- it just invokes an image of the whiny way Cutler plays the game. Get it corrected, but enough with the over the top, on field outbursts.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. We've all heard that Rodgers "works harder than anyone" and that he "studies more film than anyone" on the team. Maybe he's yelling at them because he wants everyone to put in as much time and as much effort as he does. He holds his teammates in such a high regard and he's obviously super demanding of them. He expects them to know their playbook. When a play is called, or an audible is made, the QB will always expect the guys on the field to know the playcall and to be assignment-sure.

Personally, I look at him correcting/yelling at Quinn Johnson as corrective criticism.

Remember...that locker room just recently elected Aaron Rodgers as their player representitive for the Players Union. They obviously all look to him as the leader of the team.

I'm with you on this Aaron. And with all that is wrong with our last QB, he never showed someone up on the field.

at some point i remember McCarthy saying it would be interesting to see how rodgers handles success off the feild hes great high character but on the feild its never his fault and dwpending on how mccarthy handles rodgers yelling at teammates is key to maintaining the locker room

At least he does not go and scream to WR when they drop a pass like Cutler. I have never seen A-rod chew up one of his O Line for a false start. He whines too much to the referees thought...

Cutler got an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for yelling at a ref a couple weeks ago... nothing beats that.

Aaron - see what happens when you take your annual sabbatical from Packer Transplants? People get all contentious and pissy. No place to vent except on your blog.

I guess you would rather have Rodgers throw an INT than hold on to the ball for 5 seconds....

I believe Rodgers tied the game against Atlanta with less than a minute to play by holding onto the ball for at least 5 seconds.

Also, I would be upset if Rodger's didn't confront his teammates about any mistakes they made. It is the leader's job to make sure that everyone on the offense is on the same page.

Need to revisit Nagler's overall attitude concerning the Pack .......

This should do it ..... An oldie but goodie....

http://cheeseheadtv.com/lounge/aaron-nagler-hater

You act like MM actually does sideline in-game coaching... hardly so. That's painfully obvious unless he has a microphone to the bench behind him in his playsheet.

If we lose to a very good Eagles team in week 1 of the playoffs Rodgers will be pegged with the Tony Romo "can't win a playoff game" label and it will be a knock on him.

But If we get the 5 seed and go to St. Louis and win he will have "it." Moxie, clutchiness, whatever.

When it comes down to it your QB is about 20-25% of your team and 75% of the hype.

You are implying that Rodgers hasn't earned the right to celebrate a great play, too. I don't agree with you. Authority is not just earned, it also can be conferred (like a teacher). Regardless of how his authority originates Rodgers has to lead which gives him the right to motivate via praise and punishment.

Packers Transplants, Nov. 16th:

(slight paraphrasing)

Aaron Nagler: "As wonderful and as amazing and as incredible and as draw-dropping as the stats were that Michael Vick put up last night, I'm not nearly as impressed by that as I was by what Tom Brady did in Pittsburgh against the Steelers on Sunday night. THAT was an amazing performance.

"And the passion and the anger and everything you saw from Tom Brady on Sunday night. Whoa. I don't want to see that Tom Brady when the Packers go to Gillette stadium. I don't want to see any part of that."

If that's the kind of performance that such "emotion" can bring to a quarterback's level of play, then what's wrong with Rodgers doing the same?

I'm not a huge fan of Tom Brady, and it bothered me when he was on the sidelines shouting at the defense in the Lions game, despite being ahead by multiple scores.

But you're simply not being fair with Rodgers. He's got his mistakes, but so does Brady, Manning, and even Warner. If you want him to start making corrections only AFTER he wins a Super Bowl, then you'll be waiting a while.

Those small corrections and expectations are what gets a team to the Super Bowl, not something that has to wait until afterwards.

ridiculous. like a previous poster said, it's a catch-22: if he doesn't correct his teammates he might never make a superbowl. but nagler seems to believe that you aren't allowed to correct your teammates until you've won a superbowl. with an attitude like that he'll never get there.

if Quinn Johnson's feelings are hurt by Rodgers yelling at him, maybe he shouldn't be in professional sports.

if you, as a fan, are offended by a grown man yelling at another grown man when he screws up, then maybe you should stop watching sports. It's obviously too confrontational for you.

Don't mind you disagreeing with him yelling or not. That's line of thought.

But you're still not recognizing the criteria for it. You're still making your own criteria, and not the key one, preparation and study.

Oh well. Guess you'll just have to endure Rodgers correcting his guys on the way to that ring.

BTW, the most important feeling? His teammates. If they recognize his leadership, then it's great.

If not, it's a bad habit that needs to go away.

BTW #2: Rodgers on Jim Rome is Burning right now.

It's weird that people are blasting Aaron for Aaron's blasting of Aaron's blasting.

Mind. Blown.

Alright, enough about this (it's what? 98 comments and counting ?). I've gotten my Aaron's totally screwed up.

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If his teammates don't care, neither do I. Until I hear otherwise from some source, I'll just assume they're okay with it.

I don't really understand the "Aaron Rodgers hasn't won a damn thing" comment, though. WTF does that have to do with anything?

I think the kid's doing a pretty damn good job. Wouldn't you want to yell if a week before you watched your special teams give away a game after you brought your team all the way down the field to tie it on a fourth and goal? Because I know I was...

Against San Francisco the offense came out flat and uninspired (which has been a problem ALL season) Maybe it was Aaron's "fire" that lit a flame under their asses.

Should he be yelling at his teammates? Granted in-game is not the best forum, but I'm sure if we had lost you would have wished for a little bit more "urgency" from your star quarterback.

Emotion and intensity isn't always a bad thing. Just because Rodgers is a professional athletes doesn't mean he isn't allowed to have/express feelings. Are you trying to say you never express a negative emotion at work or express your displeasure at how another co-worker does their job? Ever? C'mon, I'm calling you on that one.

As I recall there were a few instances where Jennings "expressed" himself on the sidelines earlier in the year and no one felt the need to over-analyze it.

I like your stuff, but frankly Nagler you're the one who comes off as a "petulant child" in this post.

Emotional? A human being exhibiting emotions, under pressure? Gimme a fckn' break.

If he were Matt Flynn, I'd agree with Aaron (Nagler). But he's the acknowledged leader of the team. It's ok for him to say something to a teammate, as long as he isn't whining about being sacked.

I'm a long-time lurker who's never commented before, but I want to express support for Nagler's position on this one. When I see Rodgers yelling at Quarless or Johnson, what I see is the socially dominant person taking out his frustration on a person who is near the bottom of the pecking order.

Ruppert claims that unless he hears otherwise, he will assume that the other players don't have a problem with it. Seriously? If they do have a problem with it, you'll never hear about it; they are in no position to publicly criticize Rodgers. He's The Quarterback, the Super Bowl ticket, the anointed one. And that's the problem: the people he's yelling at not free, in the social context, to yell back or tell him to shut up. That makes his yelling seem like a power trip, regardless of what his intention is.

So the coaches should be the only ones in a position of leadership? I see your point, but I kind of disagree. Rodgers is competitive and a perfectionist, and I don't blame him on getting on a guy.

He's the leader of the team, and he acts that way, that's it. It doesn't bother me, I don't think he needs to win something to act that way.

And from what I've read, the players respect him, so it doesn't even matter. The guy's a pro, and he's clearly doing something right.

Aaron can take the HITS.

You know what I'm talking about!

This isn't the first time he's berated a WR on the field yet it's been focuses on by packer reporters and then the blogs this week. I think this says more about the reporters and blogs than anything. If he wasn't being criticized for this, he'd be criticized for not showing enough emotion, not being a leader, and being a "Stats" guy. Matt Ryan does the exact same thing, but because he was mic'd for an entire game on ESPN, we were also given the more favorable sound bites. Ryan may be in first place, but he also has Michael Turner and he hasn't done more than Rodgers.

I just think criticizing the character of coaches and players is a slippery slope, especially from the couch. And it's not that I don't think this argument is plausible, it's just I personally don't think there's enough there to criticize the guy without knowing whether what he's doing is counter-productive-- the burden of proof is on those critiquing here. Yes, coaches stress body language with QBs all the time because it definitely is important. I just don't think this falls into the category of bitching or moping. He's the closest thing to the coach on the field. He should be critiquing. Don't get me wrong, a QB can go over the line here, I just don't think he has yet. After all, he's having maybe the best stretch of his entire career.

And I'm sure some people will insert this critique in here should Rodgers struggle, but even then I wouldn't think there would be enough to prove it.

I'll bet an installment of My Ugly Mug covering this topic goes "viral" on YouTube. At least among Packer fans ;)

So did manning never yell at a guy until after he won a SB? I would guess not. I don't like Rodgers getting on guys like that, I would prefer he did it in the huddle BUT he is the leader of this offense on the field, he is a bit of a perfectionist and I don't have a problem with him demanding excellence from the other players.

I also don't think your analogy is very good. QBs have a ton more on thier plate from an execution standpoint the just running a route correctly or correctly blocking a player.

Bottom line is personally I don't like it but I don't think there is anything "wrong" with it and if his teammates had a problem with it I am sure guys like DD would tell him so.

Aaron Rogers needs to be the leader and every leader has his own style. I feel that Rogers is very effective at getting the team to follow him. He needs to be himself and the team needs to rally around him.

I really don't understand the he hasn't won anything so he can't get into someone face. A good leader understand when to get into someone's face and when to let it go. Winning the right way takes time.

The Packers have the best young QB in the league and the will win a lot. This team is built for the long run and we the fan will be enjoying more then one superbowl with Roger's and TT.

It's not up to you. If Driver and Clifton let him get away with it, then it IS his place. Quarterbacks have a tendency to become Alpha males my default.

"Aaron Nagler says Rodgers needs to win something – anything – before he starts showing up teammates on the field. "

Something like this is exactly what I would expect to see on bleacher report.

This is one of those threads where you just watch with "horrified fascination" as The Wash Post once said of Spiro T. Agnew. No sure which side's Agnew here.

;) J/K but it is fun to read.

100+ posts.

Pretty good for someone in the middle of something emotional.

I've never understood people who constantly complained that Mike McCarthy was a lousy coach, or at least, not a great one, because he fails to do the one thing they seem to think equates to great coaching:

Yelling and players when they screw up or under-perform.

I don't think grown men need to be yelled at, but they do need correcting and coaching. However, when people make repeated and/or fundamental errors during a game, and the nice-guy approach that has been the Packers' on field hallmark for the last five years isn't producing the desired change, I'm all for holding them accountable. During a game, where the pressure to produce and win runs high, I imagine some emotion is going to bleed into that..

The coach is calling the plays in to the QB. if the QB messes up the play call, the coach should get on him. The QB is calling the plays to the men on the field. Moreover, he is calling out motion, pointing out possible protections, as well as calling out audibles. If the men on the field are not responding accurately to the plays being called out -by the QB-, I see no reason why the QB should not make it his business to correct the situation, then and there. As another poster mentioned, it makes no sense to simply wait until that player eventually heads to the sideline in hopes a coach will "take care of it".

Honestly, this whole thing is much to do about nothing. It's not as though Rodgers is known as a tyrant who bullies his players play after play throughout the season.

Final thought (sorry for the grotesque length of the post!):

Donald Driver told a story not too long ago about Aaron Rodgers growing into leadership. In summary, he said Aaron wasn't a vocal leader early on, he let the coaches do their thing and just did what was required of him- call the plays, pass the ball, form the huddle, and repeat. He pulled Rodgers aside and told him he had to take control of the team, and be more involved, more authoritative. Driver goes on to say that during a game, as they were entering the huddle, he tried to interject something as Aaron was speaking. Aaron looked DD in the eyes, sternly told him to "Shut Up and Listen", and went about doing his thing. Donald Driver said he was taken back, but he shut up and listened, and says he knew at that moment that Aaron Rodgers had done what he needed to do- he was now the leader of that team, and commanded his full respect from that moment on.

so you'll be cool with it when aaron wins a couple of superbowls and mvp awards?

Bart Starr held the ball a long time as well. Took quite a few sacks. But didn't turn the ball over on those sacks. Frivolous argument to use that. The play call and protection scheme has a lot to do with the length of time the ball is held. SuperBowl argument is equally ridiculous. You ever watch Elway get on guys pre-Super Bowl ring? I sure did. He did it on the field....often.

Here's the difference. When he's playing as well as he is he has every right and obligation to say something. When he plays poorly he shuts his mouth. He ain't a rookie anymore and he ain't playing poorly. Besides, he's not doing it every time there is a mistake. If he were harping every time it would be like white noise....in one ear out the other. I see a cool, calm and collected QB who "lights up" a teammate when the need arises. Critical points of the game. Nothing wrong with that and in fact, I argue, necessary.

I think Rodgers is trying to win a super bowl and thus what changes once he has? Then he can get emotional? yeah that makes a lot of sense, Nagler. He's intense and wants to win. This "article" is rubbish.

I think this is totally off base. Rodgers has been pretty consistently lauded by his teammates for his leadership, and his willingness to be more vocal. Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady are not the only quarterbacks who yell at their teammates-Phillip Rivers does as well, another guy who hasn't won anything but whose teammates seem to respect for both his leadership and competitiveness. It's not "petulant" to yell at a rookie for making mistake-in the rest of Rodgers' response to the question, he talks about how different personalities merit different approaches when mistakes are made. Some need a "pat on the butt" and other guys need to be chewed out. Instead of passing judgement from on high, maybe you should think about how Rodgers might be a better judge of what leadership requires on the field than we do watching the game from behind a tv.

Oh, and you know what? Sacks suck, but they're a much better result than an interception that might be caused by Rodgers forcing the throw out. He could throw it away more, but I think its pretty ridiculous to still be on this; every quarterback holds the ball too long sometimes, and turnovers are the way more important thing-and Rodgers has excelled at protecting the ball.

El Fin ......

Good night .... And ..... Good Luck .....