if they were held hostage by Rodgers and "beholden" to him why didn't Gutes go out and actually get some help in these last three years for him..they had Adams so that was good enough I guess...hero ball also worked fairly well the last two years...you sure know all the problems you aint got any of the right answers do you...click bait article...easy to write those now...do a podcast like the other lazy journalists...talkin' bout you Nags...come on, lets see those "thumbs down"..hahaha...

Gute wasn't trading away AR12 to the 49ers, Rams or Bronco's because if he did there was a good chance AR12 would have taken them to the SB. Packers have not surrounded AR12 with enough talent for years. Everyone is saying so, listen to the NFL analysts this all falls on the front office. Get rid of the GM.... Go ahead and play Jordan Love he's not going to do any better. The problem with this team goes much deeper then the QB. Poor drafting and poor free agent acquisitions. FIRE GUTE...!!!!!

Now what?

Packers SHOULD start the re-build IMMEDIATELY.

Let us see what 2020 1st and 4th round pick Jordan Love can do. Cut Sammy Watkins and get the young WRs into action. Wyatt in for Lowry. Let the re-build begin.

What the Packers will do is more of the same. Try and win as many worthless games as possible and then run it back again next season.

You can't undo the past, and don't want to hear they should have drafted this guy. A very promising season with a good roster in August had fans licking their chops. Its hard to explain what happened in the last 9 weeks to go 3-6. Other teams have had players go out with season ending injuries and Green Bay has only 4 players on IR. Dallas and Tennessee have 13, and GB has almost the fewest. Its a combination of players not playing to the level of last season, poor coaching adjustments, and no rhythm or chemistry with the players. I was a fan in the 70's and 80's and Packers have been to the playoffs 16 of the last 20 years. Its a sorry state, though I will continue to watch and root for my team. Better days are ahead.

The team made a mistake. Will they own up to it, do what they can to rectify the situation, and enter the inevitable rebuild? Or will they stubbornly keep on hoping that, somehow, Rodgers will lead them to another SB? In his two most recent MVP years, Rodgers got home field advantage throughout the playoffs. This what he said was needed for the team to make the SB. Two defeats, the second time, last year, a scary omen of what was to come this season (the offense putting up 10 points). Maybe, the team thought, third time is the charm. Instead, it's turned into a curse. If they trade Rodgers, would they get what they would have last season? Nope. But he could either retire, and some financial massaging would reduce his dead cap charges to $16 million next year, and $24.5 million the following year. If traded, the dead cap for next year would be a dead cap of $16 million (again) next year, and (again) $24.5 million the next year. I keep looking at Indianapolis, and thinking if anyone would be stupid and desperate enough to do something this stupid, it would be them. They have the history, their owner is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and they just be able to be persuaded to take on another QB in decline. What would they offer as compensation? If they'd offer one or two high draft picks, and throw in a player, take it.

Just hearing Gutey tried to trade away a 1st round pick last week tells me how in denial this FO is. They keep compounding their mistakes and I am sick of it. If the board had any power they'd fire Murphy and Gutey right %'in now and let the new GM decide everything else the rest of this season... (NEW COACHING STAFF/DRAFT)

The way Rodgers is throwing the ball, off his back foot, fading away every damn throw, he couldn't win a 7 on 7 game. Oh wait, you mean he can throw when there's no 6' 5" linemen in front of him. Then roll him out every play. SMH

Personally, I can't wait to see how this team responds against the Cowboys, Titans, Eagles, and Bares... If Aaron Rodgers loses 9 games in a row, will his ego let Love start against the Rams? Will Gutey and MaLF have enough guts to play Love? Will we even have enough healthy bodies to finish the damn season? How many more games do we have to play on Turf??? SMH

It isn't over until it's over. But you want Love. You want the poison to be the antidote.
If you “wanted” to start the rebuild, by trading Rodgers. You just “reasoned" why were 3-6!
And that the 3 years with Rodgers under center. Was a miscalculation of over achievement!
Don’t bring up the past either. When a player says he won’t play under the Franchise Tag.
He either wants out. Or wants to be like the rich and famous.
Yes, you can go back 3 years. But don’t just look at Rodgers! Look at management!
Because Gutey doesn’t Listen until someone is Gone. And his help comes a year or two too Late.
Sure he can cut bait. But it was his vision that has blown up in everyones face.
Murphy must hold him accountable. Not Rodgers! As long as the tools don’t work, or fit.
It’s all been a waste of Time, and money.

"Of course, Rodgers is far from the only issue on this team. "

Good of the author to make this statement after pointing out that Rodgers IS the problem for the vast majority of the article.

Yesterday Aaron Rodgers played like S**T when it counted. in the Red Zone.. He knows it, you know it. We all saw it. This is the first time this year that I think AR's performance is THE reason the Packers lost. The helmet interception. The ugly 5 yard pass that needed to be a 10 yard pass. His execution in the Red Zone was pathetic.

That being said, what was Watkins doing on 3rd down?? Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that DA would have broke to the corner of the end zone when the leverage was to the inside?

"Run the ball at the one yard line" we all scream. Dillon gets two cracks and does nothing. If we gave it to him 4 times would it have worked? Maybe, but that's counting on a dysfunctional line to produce something they hadn't been able to do all game.

As much as I blame Rodgers in this game . Who can blame him for not trusting what's going on. My God, we were throwing to David Bakhtiari in the Red Zone with the season on the line. Think about that. How bad is the situation on this team that your HOF QB has to throw to your left tackle with a bad knee against the worst defense in football to have a chance to save your season?

I would say that the problems with this team right now goes far beyond just Aaron Rodgers. Yet we get articles like this telling us to put Jordan Love in to see what we got, (insuring his failure) and we all clap like seals. Aaron Rodgers is one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game and we are 3-6. Yet many of you want to throw Jordan Love to the wolves. I'll pass. Unless he get's hurt.
this is Rodgers team for better or worse. Let him own it.

If it's true Brian Gutekunst tried to trade away a 1st rounder last week, then it's the ultimate desperation move.

The front office has sunk to new lows.

In psychology, it's called escalation of commitment. It can be seen in sports, in careers and in life. People stay in bad relationships, even though they know it's toxic for their health....but they feel committed because of all the sunk costs of time and money invested in it.

In careers, some people plow down one career path, maybe because they got it stuck in their head that that is what they're supposed to do, or their parents pushed them to do it.....and so they invest years and thousands of dollars in it, feeling more and more invested....only to one day wake up and realize that it isn't what they truly want.

That's what we're seeing now. The Packers have escalated their commitment so much to Aaron Rodgers -- to the tune of $50M+ per year -- that they are literally willing to sell the farm to accommodate this guy. They might call it as "going all in," -- I call it going "all out stupid."

How stupid is it to think that a WR is going to suddenly solve all this team's problems? It goes WAY deeper than that, but for the dopes out there who think a WR is the silver bullet, then what you know about football could fit into a thimble.

Yep no Offensive line, no offense

Ross,
An internet back slap....nice post!

In 1968, the packers were losing the final game of the season to the Colts 16-3. In Jerry Kramer’s book “Distant Replay,” Jerry said that at the final gun, the stadium gave them a standing ovation, signaling thanks for the incredible memories for the previous 10 years.
“What Now” you say?
Are we yet at the thanks for the memories stage?

What happens now? They lie in the bed they made for themselves.

To add insult to injury, the FO extended themselves and MLF, so any winds of change in Green Bay are more likely to be a slight breeze that won't do much good. And is it any sure bet they will shake up the assistant coaching staff (including offensive coordinator) during the off-season? Stubbornness and a lack of urgency are hallmarks of this regime; last year they stuck with Drayton until the end, and this year Savage has played almost every snap despite almost begging to see the bench at times.

It would also be nice to see "draft and develop" confined to Rounds 4-7 and replaced by "draft and play" in Rounds 1-3. Probably not happening with Gute, though.

So when do the Packers trot out Love? If they had done it vs. the Lions, they probably would have won. Going forward, your guess is as good as mine. Logic has been AWOL in this organization for much of the season.

I think everyone has made some valid points on both sides of the ledger. The issues are many on so many levels from the top right down to the players. There are no easy or instant answers to make this all go away. Pain is on the way for sure. The only question is for how long and how dark is it going to get. Vic Katchman use to say, " Take care of cap and the cap will take care of you". Well, Gute mismanaged the cap and now we all will pay or will be effected by it. My big disappointment with Gute is that he was there concerning the Farve debacle. Can't believe he didn't learn from that experience and allow Rodgers to be in control.

Even if the Packers want to clean house they can't. Who would want to come to a team that has no cap space for next 2-3 seasons as either the GM or HC? Only unqualified candidates who don't know any better. Where would that leave the Packers?

They have made such a mess of the team that we are probably stuck with Gute and MLF through 2023 at least and maybe until '24 or '25. By then Murphy will retire and the new team President will clean house and put his own people in the GM and HC roles. The Packers will also likely have some high draft picks for the next 2-3 seasons. Gute will still have a chance to build the groundwork for the future of the Packers if he handles the upcoming drafts well.

As for now what, I'd sit Rodgers due to his thumb injury at least for the Dallas and Titans games. I doubt that he can play 2 games in 4 days with a bad thumb. That would give him 2 weeks to heal and he could return for the Eagles game. By then the team would have at least 2 games to see what Love can do. If the Packers keep starting Rodgers until they are officially eliminated then Love will only get to play in meaningless games and Love's performance won't mean much more than preseason games as he will likely be playing with mostly younger and second string players or less.

I doubt that management or the coaches will make the decisions that need to be made at this point. I have very little confidence that the management and coaches that have created this mess are actually capable of getting the Packers out of it. Buckle up fellow CHTV bloggers, it's going to be a bumpy ride for the foreseeable future. Thanks, Since '61

Some people in the comments just love the taste of Rodgers' nuts in their mouths. I imagine it was the same crowd that thought the Pack would win another SB under the Beav and dismissed all criticism against him right up until he was canned.

"It's not Rodgers fault despite him being an inaccurate, deep ball forcing, throwing into double coverage, cancer to his teammates has-been. It's Gutey's fault! And Murphy! And the entire FO! But not Rodgers!"

As an OLD Packer fan, I can tell you that this team is in a baaaaad player/personnel situation. The only case that was worse was when Dan Devine mortgaged the Pack's future to bring in .................... (wait for it)............................
JOHN HADL! As a result we were unable to bring in new talent and retain what we had. Throw in a few bad drafts (does the name Tony Mandarich sound familiar?) and Voila!-----the 1970s/80s doldrums. Now, it seems we are in a BAD rerun of Back to the Future.
Long term, unless Gutie pulls a rabbitt out of his hat this offseason, 3-14 (ok, I'll make it 4-13.....ok,ok- 5-12) may look good in 2023.
Still, I'll be watching every game. Once a Packer fan, always a Packer fan.
The Szotman

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