Hello Wisconsin: Time to Trust the Quarterback
Jordan Love should be the centerpiece of the Packers' offense.
By TimBackes

The statistics for the most recent game do not look particularly great for Jordan Love. But to anyone watching the game, it was very clear just how much he shouldered the load in the team’s unnecessarily dramatic victory over the struggling New York Giants.
Over and over again, Love’s receivers and offensive line let him down. To his credit, Matt LaFleur generally called a pretty good game, at least in comparison to the previous weeks. The players simply did not execute.
Except, that is, for Love. Depending on how you personally define a drop, Love had anywhere from six to eight passes that were dropped by his receivers, making up the vast majority of his incomplete passes. He completed multiple tight throws under pressure, was fitting passes into some tiny windows, and showed a lot of toughness in coming back from a minor shoulder injury (that, to be fair, he should have avoided).
This season has been frustrating for the Packers’ offense in large part because it has felt like their coach has required their quarterback to play with one arm tied behind his back. But yet again, Love proved that he is the team’s best and most consistent offensive player, and that he deserves to be the centerpiece of the team’s offense.
With Jacobs being a little hurt, LaFleur is going to have no choice other than to open up the passing game a little more. Even if Jacobs does manage to get into the lineup this weekend, which as of Wednesday afternoon was still a possibility, it’s unlikely he will see a large number of snaps. While Emanuel Wilson has been good in relief, he’s also probably not going to be a bellcow for this offense.
Whether he likes it or not, LaFleur is going to have to trust his quarterback, who has shown repeatedly that he is more than worthy of that trust.
It has become clear that the entire game plan for opposing teams is to do as much as possible to limit the number of possessions the Packers can get and keep the clock running so the offense cannot get on the field. The Packers play right into the hands of their opponents with a run-centric offense that also keeps the clock running and that extends the length of the Packers’ drives.
Frequently we have seen this year that the Packers move the ball more efficiently when the passing offense is featured, and especially when they make good use of play action and misdirection. The Packers can counter the opposition’s game plans by not playing directly into their hands. We’ll see how much teams want to keep a running clock when the Packers are scoring faster and more efficiently.
Doing this will keep the opposition passing as well, which plays into the Packers’ defensive strengths. Giving the pass rush more opportunities will result in more playmaking opportunities for the unit’s best players.
The Packers have been a pass-first team since Mike Holmgren arrived in Green Bay and brought his west coast offense, and arguably well longer than that when you consider the bombs away teams of the 1980s. Josh Jacobs is a very good running back and a key component of the offense, but he should not be the centerpiece.
For the Packers to maximize their offensive capabilities, they have to ride the arm of their franchise quarterback.
Wisconsin Beer of the Week

It’s been a while since I had anything from Milwaukee’s Eagle Park Brewing. The brewery sort of abandoned its signature style of milkshake IPAs that got me intrigued in their work, and ever since then I’ve not really sought them out. But I was looking for a local hazy IPA in my most recent trip to Woodman’s to pair with some of the maltier and roastier seasonal dark ales and stouts I was grabbing, and I came across Evil Ways, which was one I’d not yet checked off my list.
I always check Untappd (a great app for checking in/learning about beers) when purchasing beers I haven’t had before to see what to expect, and any time it’s over a 4 out of 5 average, you know it’s going to be good. This one fell into that category, so I figured it was worth a shot.
This is your standard sort of hazy IPA, brewed with Sultana and Citra hops, giving it a cittrusy, flavorful taste and aroma with that hazy appearance. It comes in at an 8 percent ABV. And it’s smooth. I know a lot of people have kind of gotten sick of the hazy IPA style after it sort of overtook the craft beer market int he late 2010s and early 2020s, and it’s often critiqued as being a style of beer people brew to mask issues with quality, but when it’s done well, it really hits.
This is an example of the style being done quite well, and one that even hesitant IPA drinkers would probably get enjoyment from. This, like other great hazies, are a nice gateway into some of the more bitter pale ales you’d find on the market.
Catch it now anywhere you can find Eagle Park’s beers. Definitely in the Milwaukee area, and probably well beyond at this point.
So far, Micah Parsons worth every penny
When the Packers traded for Micah Parsons right before the 2025 season, there were a lot of folks questioning whether Parsons could actually live up to the value given up by the team in the trade, not to mention his record-shattering contract.
Well, after 10 games, it certainly appears that Parsons has been very much worth the price. His presence has helped to transform the Packers’ defense, and in both traditional and advanced statistics, he has been a clear force.
Parsons has compiled 56 total pressures this year, which ranks second in the NFL. His nine sacks put him in sixth in the league and his 37 hurries rank third.
Obviously, these are good statistics. But what doesn’t show up in the stat sheet is just how much he affects the game and the other players around him. I’m not sure I can remember a Packers pass rusher who was as relentless as Parsons; the man is constantly in pursuit, and his speed is a thing to behold. Early career Clay Matthews had an unstoppable motor as well, but Parsons is a vastly superior athlete (which is saying something, as Clay was certainly no slouch).
That sort of effort is something that rubs off on the other players around him. And if you watch that defense closely, it sure does look like guys are playing with even more drive than they did a season ago. Guys like Quay Walker and Edgerrin Cooper especially seem to have picked up the intensity this year while continuing to grow in their confidence. Before he was hurt, Lukas Van Ness was showing signs of developing a similar motor, and hopefully when he finally returns (which there’s a slight of that happening very soon) we will see that continue to develop.
Parsons also has affected the team with his keen sense of timing. Not only is he racking up key pressures, but he seems to be doing so at critical moments of the game. Multiple times this year he has had key sacks that helped to seal or punctuate victories for the Packers. His very first sack as a Packer against Detroit was a factor in sealing up that victory. He was the most important player on the field against Arizona, when he made successive plays to halt a late Cardinal drive. He ended the game against New York on his terms. So not only is he relentless, but he makes plays in critical moments.
In Parsons, the Packers got exactly what they paid for: a premium pass rusher who elevates the team around him. And he’s still so young; hopefully his acquisition continues to pay dividends for years to come.
Around the NFC North
As always, it’s time to go around the NFC North.
- The CHICAGO BEARS are 7-3 and lead the NFC North. You’re an absolute liar if you say you had that in your season predictions. But it’s also hard to know how seriously to take this team. They’re giving 2022 Vikings vibes by getting many of their wins as one-score victories: five total, as a matter of fact. Of their seven victories, none was against a team that currently has a winning record. And when they’ve lost, they’ve lost by at least two touchdowns each time. Give them credit for winning the games on their schedule, but the only truly good team they’ve played this year absolutely throttled them. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against some better competition.
- The DETROIT LIONS fell to 6-4 after a gritty game against Philadelphia, and it’s clear that the Lions are not the juggernaut they’ve been in recent years. Part of that is due to the offensive line play and injuries this team has experienced – making them very similar in some regards to the Packers. Part of it is the loss of their superstar coordinators. But this is still a tough team who played the defending champs tight. They have an opportunity to get right against the struggling Giants before heading into a critical Thanksgiving Day showdown against Green Bay.
- The MINNESOTA VIKINGS need to come to grips with the fact that JJ McCarthy is not ready to be an NFL quarterback, and may never be. His accuracy was all over the place against the Bears this past week, and he is actively hurting his team’s chances of being competitive. The way he looks is starting to give credence to the idea that Kevin O’Connell may have kept him out of the lineup longer than necessary on purpose. But when your better quarterbacking option is the corpse of Carson Wentz, you definitely failed with your first round draft pick and are probably going to have to start looking again. This isn’t without recent precedent either; just look at how quickly the Colts gave up on Anthony Richardson (and it clearly was the right decision). How foolish the Vikings look now for letting both Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones leave in the offseason.
Mr. Backes’s “This or That”
Every day I put a different “this or that” poll up on my whiteboard and have students leave tallies throughout the day. I then compile this information and post it here for laughs.
Here’s what we’ve seen over the last week:
- Thanksgiving sides defeated Thanksgiving turkey
- Caramel corn defeated cheesy popcorn
- Too cold defeated too hot
- Iphone defeated android
Christian Watson finally looks like the receiver he was drafted to be
It’s taken several years, but upon his return from injury, Christian Watson is finally showing a caliber of performance and consistency that has been lacking throughout his career.
Watson was beginning to show signs last season of turning into a much more consistent threat and valuable piece of the offense before he tore his ACL. It was reasonable to expect he’d need some time to get his feet under him as he came back from injury this year, but since his return, he’s been playing the best football of his career.
On Sunday, Watson was the most valuable player on offense not named Jordan Love. While his statistics weren’t eye popping, he was the only guy regularly coming up with critical catches, and his two touchdowns were the difference in the game.
Watson is making catches at all platforms and has broadened his route tree. He is the best player the team has for taking the top off the opposing defense. And he’s also arguably the team’s best blocking receiver.
The Packers were smart to get a one-year extension in to get more observation time on Watson. If he keeps playing this way throughout the rest of the season, that extension will grow in length.
Week 12 NFL Picks
We’re getting down to the nitty gritty. After this week, we’ll be two thirds of the way through the regular season, and we’ll be getting a pretty good idea of who the true contenders are. The Packers need to start putting it together now. The end of the game against New York was a good start, but they must show an ability to easily dispatch of lesser competition to start being able to be taken seriously. This week is a good opportunity to do so.
Packers 27, Vikings 13
The whole slate:
BILLS over Texans
COLTS over Chiefs
SEAHAWKS over Titans
PACKERS over Vikings
RAVENS over Jets
LIONS over Giants
BEARS over Steelers
PATRIOTS over Bengals
BROWNS over Raiders
JAGUARS over Cardinals
COWBOYS over Eagles
FALCONS over Saints
RAMS over Bucs
49ERS over Panthers
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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.
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Comments (62)
T7Steve
November 20, 2025 at 06:45 am
"but they must show an ability to easily dispatch of lesser competition to start being able to be taken seriously."
Add to that, get through some of these games healthy and get healthier as they go. Prayers and fingers crossed.
NickPerry
November 20, 2025 at 07:01 am
"How foolish the Vikings look now for letting both Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones leave in the offseason."
Music to my ears!
LambeauPlain
November 20, 2025 at 10:38 am
Music to my ears too, Nick. Every Sunday, two teams must win: The Pack and whoever is playing the Ugly Purple. Twice a season it is the same team.
Some view the bares as the greatest current rivalry...maybe the lions. Not me. It has always been the Ugly Purple. And continue to be.
Bitternotsour
November 20, 2025 at 10:56 am
I think it's slightly generational, older fans still hold the bears as the only true rivalry. But I get it, those hideous purple uniforms, the idiotic fan base, the zero championships - the vikings are truly a pathetic lot. Not really rivals, just a team worth hating.
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 01:13 pm
For the more recent fans, the Bears really haven’t been a rival to anyone in their experience. Perhaps not as dramatic as the Lions longer era of fatuousness, but one in which they were owned by just about anyone halfway decent most of the time. That will dull any rivalry.
TXCHEESE
November 20, 2025 at 10:42 am
Will never understand the blind faith in McCarthy, so much that they let two veteran QB's walk. The few opportunities that I've watched him this year, he has been borderline dreadful when it comes to accuracy.
Maybe GB can give his ticket to the bench on Sunday!
Bitternotsour
November 20, 2025 at 10:58 am
Technically, they let three veteran quarterbacks walk - Cousin's too.
dobber
November 20, 2025 at 01:33 pm
Are you counting Case Keenum? He had a tremendous year in 2017, I think, and was a great fit and they just let him go to get Cousins.
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 01:17 pm
McCarthy has only started 6 games. He could yet turn it around. I didn’t personally rate him, but it’s early. He’s a lot better than Caleb Williams was at that point. Of course he may be ruined before he’s fixed along the lines of the Chicago model. I remember watching Rodgers in his rookie season. Love too. Both came a long way by the time they started 3 years later.
TKWorldWide
November 20, 2025 at 07:05 am
“LaFleur generally called a pretty good game”…how is that determined? Total yards? TD’s? Yards per play? Run/pass ratio? What about Love’s decisions on which receiver to throw to? (I’m assuming each play has multiple receivers in the pattern.) What about Love “canning” the play at the line? Or did MLF simply not call the plays we find “annoying” like the bubble screens to wide receivers? (But only when they gain no or minimal yards.)
Very slippery slope when it comes to evaluating playcalling.
Guam
November 20, 2025 at 07:41 am
I have a very simple yardstick for measuring LaFleur's game plan.
If I can roughly predict what the next play is going to be, LaFleur is calling a poor game (if an idiot like me can figure out the next play, so can the opposing DC). If LaFluer has me flummoxed, there is a chance he is also doing so to the opposing DC.
By that very simple standard LaFluer called a better game against the Giants than he has called in several previous games.
Oppy
November 20, 2025 at 07:45 am
The problem is most fans don't know enough about football to understand any of the nuance that exists in plays that look roughly "the same" to most people.
Guam
November 20, 2025 at 07:57 am
Agreed Oppy and I am certainly one of those of doesn't understand all the nuance. However if I can predict a "running play to the left" and that is what happens, I'm pretty sure an opposing DC will have that figured out too. And unfortunately I got pretty good at predicting what LaFleur was going to do in both the Carolina and Philly games. Not good..........
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 08:13 am
When opponents routinely appear to have anticipated plays then the lay fan guess is unnecessary. When we continually attack the field in a way that is unsuccessful and the defence is clearly focusing on, that too doesn’t require guesswork.
Back in 2018 commentators were guessing plays as much as we fans were. We all knew, we could all see defenses were. The same was true in Rodgers last year, 2022. By mid season 2023 the same traits were rampant. This season it has returned.
The only times at least the last 3 1/2 seasons when that wasn’t the case was the brief Willis interlude and a spell late in 2023, when LaFleur appeared to get desperate enough to let Love loose and/or throw caution to the wind and trust himself and Love to be aggressive . Then, at the end he quickly retreated and it’s never been seen again.
There’s a common theme here. It’s not new, it’s not hidden it’s not QB or particular roster specific. Eventually it becomes churlish to avoid accepting that a team not what we want or it claims, but is what it continues to do and how it goes about that.
TKWorldWide
November 20, 2025 at 08:40 am
I predict “pass” on every play, and I am correct over 54% of the time. Maybe I should apply for an NFL DC job…
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 09:20 am
50 percent? Maybe they should decline.
TKWorldWide
November 20, 2025 at 09:29 am
Fifty FOUR, my man, fifty FOUR! Don’t be trying to cheat me out of that last 4 percent! 😂😂
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 01:19 pm
Response tax. 4% towards supporting slapdash typers through their struggles.
LambeauPlain
November 20, 2025 at 10:47 am
That's a good analysis, Guam.
As I read your comment...it actually fit how I felt watching the game with frustration building but most due to dropped passes and dropped INTs. After the game, wanting to lash out at LaFleur's game call strategy...I could not.
Dropped passes left many points off the field while putting the D back on it. Then the D continued to stay on the field when an INT or two or three would have flipped the field and sent Love back to it.
I have some issues with the HC...but not on his call sheet vs the Giants. Hope he cooks up another creative attack Sunday. Love is telling him "keep it coming, coach!"
stockholder
November 20, 2025 at 07:05 am
Jordan Love always was the center piece.
Especially after Starr, Favre, and Rodgers.
And so many failures in-between.
But the thought is still; MLF is at fault.
Because respect is never in the conversation,
when the Tar and feathers are the preferred disgrace.
The struggles of the OL and the drops by the WRs.
only add to the frustration.
But isn't it time for Love to show that he isn't operating
under specific conditions?
MLF has only protected Love through the frustrations.
And that is the evidence that MLF must protect Love.
You want fireworks.
No matter what the results.
TXCHEESE
November 20, 2025 at 10:50 am
This a a mostly indiscernible post!
dobber
November 20, 2025 at 01:34 pm
Try playing some soft jazz behind it, and cracking 3 or 4 of Tim's beers of the week. Then it starts to come into focus.
jannesbjornson
November 20, 2025 at 05:47 pm
Try kanji.
dobber
November 20, 2025 at 07:39 am
"With Jacobs being a little hurt, LaFleur is going to have no choice other than to open up the passing game a little more."
I don't expect to see a huge change. Wilson is a capable runner and he's a little more explosive than 8. The Vikings have been susceptible to the run game--look at what the Bears did to them on their field last week--and the Packers need to keep that blitzing defense off Love's back. I think the Packers might be a little more creative at hitting the edges (especially running at Van Ginkel) with a juicier back, but the run game is going to be important this week.
"The Packers have been a pass-first team since Mike Holmgren arrived in Green Bay.... Josh Jacobs is a very good running back and a key component of the offense, but he should not be the centerpiece."
The Packers under LaF have been at least 40% run, and usually have landed above 43%. Last season they were above 50% as their high-water mark. Even in their lowest season under LaF they were in the top half of the league in run play calls--and especially with non running QBs (meaning QBs that don't get a lot of designed run calls)--it makes it hard to say this isn't a run first team, at least in how we can define it in our modern pass-happy NFL. That bar has moved.
As for Jacobs: he makes things happen with the ball in his hands and can be a tone-setter. He's the featured piece of this offense right now, but you have to ask how much of that had to do with the lack of a dominant pass-catcher? Kraft was on the rise before he got hurt and he should make a full recovery, but aside from that? Who had earned the right to be a featured guy?
"the Packers move the ball more efficiently when the passing offense is featured, and especially when they make good use of play action and misdirection. "
Hellloooo...that doesn't happen if the defense isn't keying on the run game.
"That sort of effort is something that rubs off on the other players around him. And if you watch that defense closely, it sure does look like guys are playing with even more drive than they did a season ago."
Hafley seems to be buying into it. He likes to rush 4 and play coverage, but the rush isn't getting home as much as we'd hoped and it's not generating turnovers as we expected. I think we see him go after McPonder on Sunday and try to clog the Vikings' run game with some upfield play from his LBs to force 3rd and longs.
"Christian Watson is finally showing a caliber of performance and consistency that has been lacking throughout his career."
With everyone else dinged and gimpy, he's about all they have right now. He's made some big catches since coming back, and kudos to him for a fast and effective recovery.
BEARS--get the Steelers at home this week. ARod owns the Bears.
LIONS--still a gritty team, but they grit their way onto the trainer's table. Caampbell seems to want to get the ball to Jamison Williams. I think they bounce back and hang 45 on the Giants this week, but the Giants will score against them and leave people scratching their heads about this team.
VIKINGS--the defense is good and can force opponents to play for 3s instead of 7s. If they run the ball, they'll be in the game against the Packers until the end. They need to take the ball out of McCarthy's hands, but that drastically reduces the impact of their really good pass-catchers. Kevin O'Connell is probably having some sleepless nights with his QB situation.
Razer
November 20, 2025 at 08:32 am
Laid down a lot of truth this morning. Regarding the Vikings this weekend, we gotta cover those receivers and force McCarthy to play over his head. Dropping back into zone all day will be too passive for that offense. On the flip side, early scores by our offense would dictate this game. Fast tempo and pass to run... Make it so.
jannesbjornson
November 20, 2025 at 12:42 pm
With two Games in four days it may be best to go Air Raid and score points against the Purple Drank and save some wear and tear on the O line. LaFleur has to stay Focused and get the play calls out fast and forget about
speculative analytics. Protect the A gap. Let Love dominate.
dobber
November 20, 2025 at 01:36 pm
"Protect the A gap."
And how.
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 08:38 am
Great commentary Dobber. I do wonder with our walking wounded WRs if we wouldn’t be better calling up one or even two from the PS. Sometimes health is better than experience, particularly outside of the Doubs and Watson (who seem mostly healthy).
Golden, at around 180 with one shoulder and a wrist issue seems like a dubious proposition. Williams can barely run 10 plays it seems, including STs. They aren’t experienced and they aren’t healthy. Perhaps again, we need to let them heal before they can really contribute?
Against the Vikings and Jones, I’d rather see Hopper than McDuffie. Speed and coverage. I do think it will be interesting to see if Cooper’s (and perhaps Hopper’s) speed has an impact on what Jones can do, even if Walker is out. I remember what Jefferson has done against cautious zone coverage by us in the past. This will be a test unless we can get to McCarthy early or Hafley varies his approach.
Theres a lot of concern voiced about Gary, not without some cause, but my biggest concern is Wyatt, who has been essentially toothless as a penetrator or run stopper since return from injury. The only thing I could infer from LaFleur's convoluted musings on Gary’s usage was that he and Enagbare have been used heavily to help shore up the run D.
That’s supported by data that had only 56 of Gary’s snaps being rushes over the last 3 games. Enagbare is similar. They are being used to shore up the DTs against the run not sometimes, but most of the time. No wonder we aren’t getting to the QB if so. That can’t continue against the Vikings.
As to Detroit. I agree. Campbell is a Boom or Bust caller. They will crater and they will soar from one game to the other. We have seen him trounce LaFleur and give games away too us, not just others. That isn’t so good in the playoffs knockout, but they remain a good team and a determined one in the regular season at least.
DoubleJ
November 20, 2025 at 07:42 am
"Watson is making catches at all platforms and has broadened his route tree."
I think that is more LaFluer not letting him run the short and intermediate routes. His rookie year he was given the ability to do that but then he had injuries his 2nd year and LaFluer let Reed run a lot of those routes instead. Then last year LaFluer had grown enamored with Reed and relegated Watson to only being a deep decoy despite the fact that Watson was the more talented and reliable WR on the team. Reed last year had more drops in a single season that Watson had in his career, however, Watson got labeled as a WR who drops the ball all the time. LaFluer needs to run the passing O through Watson. We saw his rookie year that when they did that they O moved the ball. IMO if Golden is healthy again he needs to be WR2 with Wicks WR3 and Doubs relegated to WR4. For some reason LaFluer has tried to make Doubs WR1 and he isn't that and he has dropped the ball a lot the last 2 seasons. Overall Doubs is a possession WR that you want as WR4 and not WR1. Once Reed comes back as WR3 then Wicks and Doubs can fight for WR4.
T7Steve
November 20, 2025 at 07:59 am
Someone will comment on this better than I, but Douds is Love's go to not MLF's. Golden maybe should be but won't be any higher than he is this season. Hopefully he can just get a few more impact plays and still be a decoy as the season progresses.
DoubleJ
November 20, 2025 at 08:24 am
I think Doubs is Love's go to because LaFluer keeps playing Doubs and giving him the short and intermediate routes opened up by the deep WR.
T7Steve
November 20, 2025 at 08:34 am
Probably is, but don't you think that goes hand in hand? The more Love likes him the more MLF uses him and vice versa?
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 09:02 am
I think that they hope Golden will replace Doubs, but he makes mistakes on routes and is not yet technically or physically effective as a blocker. He’s far more athletic than Doubs but smaller and whereas Doubs has become a route technician, Golden is still learning the trees. Part of that is that, as usual, we make the rookies do everything or nothing, rather than master a role and then expand, to be fair.
Golden is about the same size overall as Reed, though with a frame to add strength, Nixon’s comment about his strength refers to his strength in the catch, or hand grasp, but play shows he struggled to get off the line cleanly if contacted and is easily knocked off routes. Reed has similarly struggled when used on the perimeter. That’s one reason I suspect that he and Love don’t connect as often as we’d like. His blocking is at best hopeful.
Now he’s got a bad shoulder and wrist. Both inevitably exacerbate these rookie issues, probably significantly. At this point he’s a slot only, or should be, even if he can play meaningfully. It might be better to let both him and Williams get healthy rather than continue to repeat the current experience and limitations.
T7Steve
November 20, 2025 at 09:33 am
I think Heath will be best because of his blocking ability and he surprises with a good catch at least once a game when he's active. I haven't noticed but has Melton's blocking helped at all or does his speed just help take defenders away from the plays?
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 11:04 am
Melton is another slot. He might be the nearest sub there if Golden were not to go. Unfortunately he has struggled on the perimeter too in the past and for similar reasons. Unless he can get a clean start and open space behind, it doesn’t work well. The PS elevations were me thinking more of the other WR roles and depth there at.
We do have a game on a short week. Two games for Golden, Williams and even Jacobs in that span seems like Russian Roulette with three chambers down.
jannesbjornson
November 20, 2025 at 12:47 pm
They said Melton is a CB during summer session. He proved he is not a clutch receiver in the Pro Game.
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 01:29 pm
He’s our third slot. Not many of those are clutch. He did have a 100 plus yard game through the air with a TD at Minnesota in 2023.
dobber
November 20, 2025 at 01:38 pm
He's a STs gunner who happens to man the bottom of the depth chart at WR and the 4th CB slot.
LambeauPlain
November 20, 2025 at 10:02 pm
Jordan and Romeo have been working out in the offseason for a few offseasons now. Mathew would be advised to so the same. The Rookie is going to be good WR. His speed and hands are not being exploited because his routes are not as good as they need to be.
Doubs is usually open on his route. He was catching his targets for the most part until the Giants. He and Watson will still share the load...unless Golden gets more separation that Love can quickly see...or LaFleur has a few schemes to shake his coverage.
I just have this feeling he's a rookie that is about to break out. Kraft gave me the same feeling as a rookie even as Musgrave was getting all the snaps and targets their rookie year.
mrtundra
November 20, 2025 at 07:55 am
The vikings are poor against the run. Deandre Swift ate them up, running for the Bears. Wilson and Brooks will have to protect the ball, as the vikings always seem to try to tear it out of the RB's grip. The Packer's DL has also been poor against the run. Hafley needs to get that fixed, soon! We have been less than stellar, in Lambeau, this season. Time to turn that around and give the vikings the drubbing they deserve. No mercy! I see big games from Valentine, Williams, McKinney and Nixon, in the secondary; Parsons, and Wyatt on the DL; Love, Wilson, Brooks, Golden, Watson and Doubs on Offense, with Wicks making a few splash plays. Also from Belton, Savion and Hopper on STs. A total team effort and the complementary football game MLF has been looking for, from this team. GO PACK, GO!!!
jannesbjornson
November 20, 2025 at 12:50 pm
The weak link in this secondary is Bullard. Naylor scored a TD and beat him regularly to convert on 3rd down attempts. He will be targeted. I would pass to Heath before giving Wicks a lot of looks. This is a Border Battle. Win this Game !
Razer
November 20, 2025 at 08:19 am
Not sure what to expect from this team. D-line with one guy who steadily distinguishes himself the others can't win their one on ones. Whole defense gets iffy as a result. O-line doesn't really push anybody back and can't be trusted to block the guy in front of them. WRs who can't seem to get clear separation. Play or play calling that doesn't understand "move the chains".
Having vented all that, the stars on this team are pulling their weight and making the difference. Parsons makes us legit on defense. Love and Jacobs are solid despite the poor play around them. If the team part of team actually showed up we could distinguish ourselves. At this point, there isn't much difference between the 4 NFC North teams other than who puts a complete game together on any given Sunday. The next 3 games will tell the real story.
Go Packers
NFLfan
November 20, 2025 at 11:28 am
Agree. There is not a critical mass of players who consistently show up.
I would add E Williams, Watson and Cooper to the Love, Jacobs, Kraft list.
RCPackerFan
November 20, 2025 at 09:11 am
"To his credit, Matt LaFleur generally called a pretty good game, at least in comparison to the previous weeks. The players simply did not execute."
This is my opinion and I know a lot disagree with it because they want LaFleur fired or whatever, but it doesn't matter what the play is that is called, players have to execute it. It takes all 11 guys to make the play work. If 1 of the 11 don't do their job on a play it can blow the whole thing up. Players have to execute.
I'm not saying that LaFleur calls a perfect game and that every play call should work. What I'm saying is that if the players don't execute, the play will likely not work no matter what is called.
Watson -
It was just great to see that when they needed a play, Love was looking at Watson. He is the number 1 on the team. He does it all. I want to see them looking his way more. He should get the most targets!
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 09:29 am
LaFleur called the same game as usual, except for the bubble screens. In part that was probably due to the health of Golden, Williams and Jacobs as much as anything. It just so happened that the Giants are massively depleted and also the best match-up in the league against which to do his normal thing. That was known going in to the game.
Had we executed it would have been a blowout, but it should have been, despite the Giants having an ideal game plan and really making a plus effort under their new coach. Even had we blown them out it wouldn’t have told us much. No other teams weaknesses match that game plan as sweetly and no other team is so critically denuded of its best talent at almost every position bar pass rusher, where it’s arguably their second best interior man.
RCPackerFan
November 20, 2025 at 10:54 am
The bubble screens for example work if the WR make the blocks. Poor technique and whatnot didn't allow the plays to work.
The Giants game should have been a blowout. But execution didn't allow it to happen. The dropped passes killed them. They had 10+ drops offensively and defensively which would have made this a blowout.
I will say I thought it was going to be a tough game though. With a new HC, with a new QB, there were a lot of unknowns. I saw a record that teams after firing their HC's were like 7-8 or something the following week. I thought that was interesting.
The way I look at it. We are winning/losing games by ourselves. We really aren't being beat by other teams as much as we are beating ourselves. The dropped passes, not wrapping up on tackles and whatnot. its on the players to play to their levels.
RCPackerFan
November 20, 2025 at 09:54 am
Around the NFC North
The CHICAGO BEARS -
The Bears are probably the biggest fraudulent team in the league. They are 1 of 2 teams with winning records that have scored less then their opponents. (Panthers being the other team). These are the games they won. They came from behind in 5 of the games to get wins over teams with a combined record of 14-38 record.
-Raiders (2-8), blocked game winning FG to win 25-24.
-Commanders (3-8), Bears kicked GW FG to win 25-24.
-Bengals (3-7), Won a crazy game 47-42
-Giants (2-9), came from 10 points down in the 4th to win.
-Vikings (4-6), kicked GW FG to win 19-17
We will see how good the Bears really are as their schedule gets a lot tougher moving forward. They play the Steelers (6-4), Eagles (8-2), Packers (6-3-1), Browns (2-8), Packers, 49ers (7-4), Lions (6-4)
The DETROIT LIONS -
During the offseason I said that the Lions could take a step back based on their coordinators leaving. Campbell taking over play calling it feels like they are starting to grasp at straws a bit. The one major thing I have seen is if you can pressure Goff he struggles mightily. So to stop their higher powered offense. Stop the run, and get pressure on Goff.
The MINNESOTA VIKINGS -
The mistake the Vikings did was to hand the keys over to McCarthy who missed basically all of last year with an injury. He still needed time to develop. They let Daniel Jones and Darnold leave. Jones is 3rd in the league in yards with 2659, Darnold is 6th with 2557. In completion % Darnold 70.2% is #2, and Jones 69.9% is #3. McCarthy is way at the bottom with 52.9%.
dobber
November 20, 2025 at 11:25 am
It's been said here before, but I'll reiterate: we want people to give the Packers credit for last minute wins, but we don't want to do it for the Bears?
I agree: I think the Bears are pretenders, and they got lucky to shimmy past the Vikings, Giants, and Bengals...but they did. I think they're going to lose enough games down the stretch that they miss the playoffs. Until those losses start to appear, though, I grudgingly need to give them credit for pulling out games.
Ouch. That was painful.
RCPackerFan
November 20, 2025 at 11:54 am
They won the games and that is what they should do. My point is more that they had to have last minute wins against teams that have a combined record of 14-38. That is a red flag if you are looking for the best of the best.
They have a very tough schedule and they haven't really played well against teams with winning records. They have 1 game against a team with a winning record. They lost to the Lions 52-21. The next closest they lost to the Ravens who are 5-5, 30-16.
TheBigCat
November 20, 2025 at 10:14 am
It is certainly easy being a fan. The 2024 WC playoff game against Dallas in Big D is my expectation for the Packers offense every time. But circumstances (playoffs, opponent) most likely make that game the exception. It's a long season, and difficult to be "on point" for every game. but I wish the offense would give us some flashes of that performance each week. Here's hoping we see those flashes against the arch-rival (my term) Vikings.
Tim, as always I'm in agreement w/ your analysis of the Packers. However, I can't sanction your apparent beer-of-choice (IPA). I have never met an IPA I can enjoy (too hoppy). I truly believe it's a generational thing: full-bodied amber/Irish ales for the old guys, and IPAs for their sons/daughters. Cheers!
Bitternotsour
November 20, 2025 at 10:36 am
Every year older I gravitate more towards the beers I drank in college *ok, fine, high school. I'd kill for an Old Style. Maybe a Blatz. I order High Life in bottles now. I don't want a beer with character, I want clean tasty malt and an unsophisticated lager. End of story.
dobber
November 20, 2025 at 01:41 pm
There's a reason why some of those beers are still around.
Coldworld
November 20, 2025 at 02:18 pm
No one drank them :-)
dobber
November 21, 2025 at 08:21 am
WINNER!
Leatherhead
November 20, 2025 at 02:37 pm
I certainly drank my share of Dog Style back in the day, and High Life.
I really only drink two kinds of beer: Cheap beer and free beer. They sell Pabst down here for about $11/12 pack. And of course, Heineken is what I'd choose if somebody else was buying.
dobber
November 22, 2025 at 06:16 am
Anything that we could get in bottles for less than $5/case was on the menu...plus: empty cases make good end tables (until someone returns your end table for the deposits).
NFLfan
November 20, 2025 at 11:10 am
When having beer I only drink 2 (sleep), 4 hours before bedtime. I prefer the hoppy taste of IPA's but they interfere with my sleep. Boring Heineken never disrupts. Stella Artois and Becks are also disruptive.I guess sleep quality has over-ridden beer preference.
We're from CA and were thinking about moving to Minnesota (Chanhassen) and were staying at a hotel. While chatting about football at the hotel bar, we got a taste of the hostility from 2 of the Minnie bartenders who did not want to have a conversation of any kind about the Packers-- same with some of the customers. That's why I'm surprised Paul Farrington is so gracious with Andy Herman.
jannesbjornson
November 20, 2025 at 01:02 pm
I live among the herring chokers. Very thin skins. The classic passive-aggressive grievance committee.
Alberta_Packer
November 20, 2025 at 01:47 pm
I have long enjoyed a good beer - with Newcastle Brown often being my first choice. These days I support our local craft breweries - which are aplenty in Calgary. However my consumption has significantly decreased ever since my son - who is a fitness devotee - asked me - as I was enjoying a brew - if I was liking my "liquid bread." I'm at the age and stage of my life when I am more mindful of my diet and caloric intake. So his remark did sadly hit home.
As for the Farrington - Herman collaboration. I see it as 2 ambitious podcasters who are looking to increase their audience(s). Similar to the intersection of 2 venn diagrams. That is - each gaining from the other without losing any of their own.
Alberta_Packer
November 20, 2025 at 01:02 pm
If the Packers are going to win the NFC North - the Conference - the SB - then Love will need to approximate the 2011 Aaron Rodgers. Can he do it? Physically he has the tools. While mentally - it's still an open question, However he has recently shown that he may have the right stuff. So the next few games could ultimately define him.
dobber
November 20, 2025 at 01:42 pm
If 2011 ARod had the 2025 defense, the 2011 outcome would've been much different.
Alberta_Packer
November 20, 2025 at 01:54 pm
My belief is that this D is good enough to beat any team in the League. It helps that there is no standout team - which keeps the Packers as a SB contender.