Hello Wisconsin: New Beginnings, Old Rituals

Getting ready for another year of Packer football.

My goodness did I ever need football season back!

Hello one and all. It’s great to be back with this 101st edition of Hello Wisconsin and my seventh(!) season contributing to Packer coverage at Cheesehead TV. I started this column for the 2020 season as a way to put together a weekly roundup of all my thoughts related to the Packers and some things not at all related to the Packers (usually Wisconsin themed). 

If you’re new around here, this column goes live at 6 AM Lambeau Standard Time every Thursday from August through February. I’ll always start off with a lead portion involving some of the biggest Packer happenings, and will follow up with a featured beer from a Wisconsin brewery. This column also always features Around the NFC North updates, weekly NFL picks, and a random smattering of other thoughts.

And for right now, I’m mostly just happy to have football to watch and talk about again. Seeing the green and gold on my television screen as I returned home from the northwoods this past weekend was quite the sight for sore eyes. 

Perhaps most special about this upcoming season is that it seems primed to be the first one that my oldest son will be enjoying with me. He’s entering first grade this year, and recently I took him to his (and my) first training camp practice (more on that later). He’s now got a jersey, a cheesehead, and a cardboard cutout of Romeo Doubs’s face on a popsicle stick. When he found out the Packers were playing when we got home from up north, he bolted to grab all his memorabilia and watched the rest of the game with me.

I was around his age (or perhaps slightly older) when my own Packer obsession got started. My earliest football-related memories are watching the Packers beat the LA Rams in 1994 (I was six that year myself, the same age as my oldest) and watching the 49ers tar and feather the Chargers in Super Bowl XXIX. The 1995 season was the first year where I watched the majority of games the team played, and by 1996, as a third-grader, I was a full-on diehard just in time to watch what remains one of the most magical seasons in over a century of Packer lore.  

Simply put, watching the Packers with my dad was one of my great childhood joys, and I’m getting really excited to introduce my own son to that this year. He almost certainly will not sit through a whole three-hour game, but this is where the fun begins. 

And that’s really the most enjoyable part of welcoming a new season: the return of traditions. I’ll be frank; while I enjoy watching the preseason games, it’s not the on-field action I’m most excited about. There’s something familial about Packer football. The long six-month offseason always comes with a sort of emptiness. The excitement of the game being back brings a lot of warmth and comfort that is hard to describe in a very precise manner, but it is something akin to the return of a long-gone family member.

So what are we going to get from this 2024 edition of the Green Bay Packers? Well, I’ll get to that in a bit. But for now, I’m just happy to have them back!

Wisconsin Beer of the Week

It’s been a summer jam-packed with all kinds of delicious beers, so I’ve got a great backlog to work through as we head into the new season!

My first feature of the year is a hazy IPA I quite enjoyed, and one I bought entirely for the name. Juicer McGavin by Rocky Reef Brewing COmpany (out of Woodruff) is ostensibly named after Shooter McGavin, who is, of course, the antagonist of the classic 90s Adam Sandler flick Happy Gilmore. 

This crisp, tropical hazy comes in at a relatively moderate (for the style) 7 percent ABV. Even though it’s from way up north, I managed to find it in cans at my local Woodman’s earlier in the summer. I’ve been seeing other Rocky Reef brews there as well.

When my family vacations in St. Germain, we regularly see Rocky Reef stuff at the various places we go for food, and everything I’ve had from them has been solid. Highly recommend giving them a try if you can track down their stuff!

What I’m watching closely

There are a lot of fascinating stories to keep an eye on throughout the remainder of training camp and the preseason. Here are a few I’m particularly interested in:

  • Wide receiver battle: There are, without a doubt, four roster locks in the wide receiver group: Romeo Doubs, Jayden Reed, Christian Watson, and Dontayvion Wicks. The team will almost certainly keep six receivers, and seven isn’t entirely out of the question (there is recent historical precedent) but probably unlikely. Bo Melton entered camp as the favorite to take the fifth spot, but strong performances by Grant DuBose have got him figuring into the picture. Between Melton, DuBose, and holdovers Malik Heath and Samori Toure, it’ll be a tough battle for those depth positions. Melton has the edge in that he has proven in-game experience. My guess is it’ll be between DuBose and Heath for the final spot.

 

  • Kicker woes: As you almost certainly remember, kicker Anders Carlson was… not good during his rookie year, to put it kindly. Carlson had a rough start to camp this year, which certainly doesn’t do a lot to alleviate the legitimate fright fans have over the prospect of trotting him out again this year. With the changes to the kickoff rules, that’s another factor that goes into the selection of a kicker as well. The Packers clearly have concerns of their own about the position, because they’ve got three kickers on the roster, an unusually high number. You don’t bring in two additional kickers if you firmly believe in the guy who kicked for you the previous season. Carlson’s big leg may not be enough to save his job this year.

 

  • Defensive differences: There’s only so much you can glean about a defensive scheme in the preseason, when you’re only getting starters for a short amount of time and not seeing a lot of wrinkles put into place. However, there certainly does seem to be a buzz about the new defensive system implemented by new defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley, who mercifully took over for the incompetent Joe Barry this offseason. Hafley’s approach to defense seems to be quite different to the other two coordinators who have worked under Matt LaFleur. Where Mike Pettine and Barry were content to sit back with a shell and wait for offenses to make mistakes, Hafley wants to press the other team and put more stress on offenses to force them to make mistakes. This comes with a bigger risk of giving up big plays, but as we saw with Barry’s scheme, the Packers were giving up everything, so anything is an improvement. It’s fun to see some young guys on defense already flying around, and I’m especially looking forward to seeing how these changes manifest in the regular season.

 

  • Good vibes only: The offseason leading into 2023 was a breath of fresh air from a “vibes” standpoint; there was a whole lot of positivity and enthusiasm that had been missing for a number of years previously. It feels like those vibes have only improved going into the 2024 season. Now that the Packers have a much better idea of what they have in Love, there is legitimate reason to see this team as a contender for at least the next couple years, as basically all of their key players are now under contract through the end of the 2025 season. Obviously roster construction is critical to a team’s success, but there’s something to be said for guys wanting to play with and for each other and their coaches and for everyone to be on the same emotional and mental wavelength. This feels like a unified team, and that can go a long way in creating a champion.

My first training camp experience

I’ve had a lot of pretty cool experiences as a Packer fan of some 36 years, but one thing that has eluded me for my entire life is a trip to Green Bay for training camp. 

With my son being old enough to probably be able to manage the day trip plus the long practice, I decided this was a great excuse to go experience it for myself as well.

So my friend Matt, his son, my son, and I all made the trek from Milwaukee to get to Green Bay with plenty of time to spare before practice started. We managed to get pretty good seats, too! We hit a bit of a snag when my boy got the meat sweats from inhaling too much beef jerky before practice even started (that kid knows how to snack), but that was all handled by the time practice started.

They were giving out cutouts of players’ faces on popsicle sticks. My friend’s kid got Jordan Love (who was still a couple days away from his contract extension), and mine got Romeo Doubs. As of that moment, Doubs became his favorite player, and I had to continually point him out throughout the entire practice. At one point during early route running drills, Doubs made a pretty routine catch and the kid screamed out “YEAHHHH! GO ROMEO DOUBS! GO ROMEO DOUBS! GO ROMEO DOUBS!” So at least we know he’s not going to be the kind to sit down and be quiet at Lambeau.

What struck me about watching my first training camp practice was just how much is happening at once–especially when you’ve got 90 players present. With two small fields of play set up at the same time and position groups spread all over, you sort of have to decide whether you’re going to focus on one specific group or try to scan the field for as much as you can watch. I came out feeling as though I need to go to more practices just to practice watching practice, if that makes sense. There’s definitely an art to gathering information as it happens while about 10 other things are happening at once, though it gets easier in the team sessions.

After practice we grabbed some lunch at Hinterland Brewing in the Titletown District, then made our way back over to Lambeau Field for a stadium tour. We took the shortest tour (one hour) because of the age of our kids. It was really well done. While I’ve been to plenty of games over the years, I haven’t actually toured the stadium since 1997, and, uh… things have changed since then. 

Our guide was great. He took us up the atrium elevator into the luxury box area, where there was some really cool Packer-related artwork I had never seen or known about. He then sat us down in one of the boxes to tell us about the history of the team, then took us down a service elevator into the field. We walked right through the area Taylor Swift graced with her presence during the primetime game against the Chiefs, and then got to go out through the home tunnel on to the field ourselves.

After a couple “go Pack go” chants that reverberated through the empty Lambeau Field stands, we made our way back up the stairs and walked through the concourse, then got a great view out of the Oneida Gate before finally heading back to the atrium where we started.

Great tour experience, and we capped it off with a visit to the pro shop, where the boy was told he could pick any kind of shirt or hat and ended up selecting his very first cheesehead.

It’s those kinds of days that will help build a fan for life!

Around the NFC North

As always, it’s time to go around the NFC North. 

  • The CHICAGO BEARS may have something in Caleb Williams, who had a number of impressive throws that showcased his elite arm talent in his first preseason appearance. Obviously there is going to be an adjustment period to the NFL, but of all the prospects the Bears have taken a chance on in recent years at the QB position, Williams is far and away the most talented and most NFL-ready. Now what remains to be seen: how powerful is the Bears’ ability to completely ruin anyone who steps under center wearing the navy and orange?

 

  • The DETROIT LIONS enter the season as defending division champs for the first time in 30 years, and now the pressure is on them to repeat what they did last year. While the Bears and Packers have both clearly improved since a season ago, it’s hard to make an argument that the Lions are going to be substantially better this year and last. With more competition within their division and more expectations than they’ve had in decades, it will be interesting to see how this team fares. Will they thrive or crack under the pressure?

 

  • The MINNESOTA VIKINGS are once again likely to be bad, especially with no hope of a rookie sensation in JJ McCarthy. McCarthy's ability to succeed at the NFL level, especially as a rookie, was never a certainty, but with his season-ending meniscus surgery, a lot of the wind has to have been taken out of the Vikings' sails. It is likely the Vikings will have to hitch their boats to Sam Darnold this season, which means this team is heading nowhere.

Summer reading

As a high school English teacher, you might expect that I spend a lot of my time reading. Unfortunately, the reality is that once the school year starts I’m so engaged in reading and giving feedback on student essays that I don’t read at nearly the pace I do during the summer.

This fall I’m teaching AP Literature and Composition for the first time, so much of my summer reading has been focused on the materials I’ll be offering in that course. But here’s a quick look at the novels I’ve read this summer, ordered from June to August, and which I’d most highly recommend:

  • Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver: I read this because it won the Pulitzer and was getting a whole lot of hype, and it didn’t disappoint. Easy 5/5 stars for me. It takes a while to get through and can be difficult to stomach at times, but it tackles poverty and the opioid crisis in Appalachia in a very sensitive and compelling way.
  • Iron Lake by William Kent Krueger: Several people in my family are big into Krueger’s books, which are primarily mysteries set in the northwoods (especially Minnesota). Mostly enjoyable read with some expected tropes. You could tell it was a first novel. 3/5
  • I Am One Of You Forever by Fred Chappel: Another Appalachia book, but this one features a lot of tall tales and magical realism with a nonlinear structure. Re-read, for AP Lit. Love this one. Quick read, lovable narration. 5/5
  • How Lucky by Will Leitch: I didn’t realize until after getting through it that this was by a former Deadspin guy. Quick read (I finished it in a day) that is a mystery featuring a protagonist with significant physical disabilities. Fun, not a ton of depth. 3/5
  • The Book of Cold Cases by Simone St. James: I read and enjoyed her other book, The Sundown Motel, last year, so figured I’d give this one a crack. It was similar in that it was easily readable and was a good page-turning mystery with supernatural elements. Good popcorn read.3/5 
  • Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe: A classic that helped put African literature on the global map. Can be tough to get through but it’s a fascinating character study. This was a prep for AP Lit. 4/5 
  • Harry’s Trees by Jon Cohen: This was one of the last book recommendations my dad gave to me before he passed a couple years ago, and it definitely feels like him. Fun, not always realistic, but incredibly charming fairy tale-like story. 4/5 
  • The Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan: Great kaleidoscope look at a number of Chinese immigrants to the San Francisco area and their Chinese-American daughters and the changes in how generations of immigrant families address or embrace their ethnic identities. 4.5/5. AP Lit prep.
  • Like Water for Chocolate by Laura Esquivel: This was a re-read, and holy cats, I forgot how steamy this one is. Beautiful story of the power of love with a lot of magical realism in a turn-of-the-century Revolutionary Mexico setting. 4/5, AP Lit prep
  • The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison: Another re-read and AP Lit book. Forgot just how tough to read this one is. It follows (from various perspectives) a poor black girl and her self-hatred and her deepest wish to have blue eyes like the blond haired white girls at school that are adored by everyone. Heartbreaking, shocking, great work. 4.5/5. 
  • The Violin Conspiracy by Brendan Slocumb: This was recommended to me by a friend. A thriller about a young Black violinist who, by chance, inherits what turns out to be a Stradivarius violin, which is then stolen for ransom. Along his journey toward becoming a respected concert violinist (and to getting back his instrument) he has to fight back against racial prejudice and stereotypes. Fun first novel, easy read. 3.5/5
  • Razorblade Tears by S.A. Cosby: Another one recommended to me by the same friend, but this one I just couldn’t really dig into. I actually made it over halfway through the book but ended up stopping. While the storyline had some interesting possibilities (a white father and black father of a gay couple end up taking justice into their own hands when their sons are murdered), a lot of the dialogue was bad and the messages and themes were a bit hamfisted for my liking. 2/5, DNF
  • How High We Go in the Dark by Sequoia Nagamatsu: Fascinating sci-fi thriller that took a multiple-perspective look over many years at a world torn apart by a pandemic after melting ice caps reveal the body of an ancient human with a previously undiscovered disease that had been preserved by the ice. 4/5
  • Authority by Jeff Vandermeer: This is the second book of the Southern Reach trilogy, the first of which, Annihilation, I read a couple years ago. It was made into a movie starring Natalie Portman. I loved Annihilation, and while this one wasn’t quite as good, it was still very compelling and I blew through it in a day. 4/5
  • Sea of Tranquility by Emily St. John Mandel: I’ve read two of her previous books (Station Eleven and The Glass Hotel) and enjoyed them both. This one is similar to How High We Go in the Dark in the sense that it has a very large scope of years and also features a pandemic, but this one also involves time travel and other elements of sci fi thrillers. Fun read, and made more fun if you’ve previously read The Glass Hotel. 4/5
  • Symphony of Secrets by Brendan Slocumb: The second book by the author of The Violin Conspiracy, this one I enjoyed much more. There were still some moments where it felt like there were some character cliches or plot tropes, but the two different timelines and the stakes of the plotline were more compelling to me. Definitely recommend. 4/5
  • Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir: If you liked The Martian, you’ll definitely like this. Same sci fi nerd stuff, same sort of snarky nerd protagonist, but a completely different plot and a fun look at humanity’s possible first connection with an alien species. Good stuff. 4/5
  • East of Eden by John Steinbeck: Another AP Lit re-read. This is my favorite novel of all time. I’ve now read it at three separate stages of my life, and it feels like I take away new things from it each time. Steinbeck’s prose is so fascinating and philosophical and the story is captivating. 5/5 classic.

Trying to get a couple more in before the school year starts… we’ll see if that’ll happen!

Tip of the hat to Brian Gutekunst and his roster building

Heading into the 2024 season, I think it’s important to acknowledge what a remarkable job Brian Gutekunst has done in building this roster and remaking the team so quickly over the past couple years to allow the team to continue to thrive in the post-Aaron Rodgers era.

The team enters the regular season once again as the youngest team in the NFL, and yet they’ve got some postseason experience and confidence as a result. Almost all key players are locked up for at least the next two seasons, and with the youth of this team, they should only get better.

Moreover, consider some of the weaknesses this team has filled the last couple seasons, almost entirely through the draft:

 

  • Wide receiver: This position was considered by many to be a major area of need for several years, which came to a head after the departure of Davante Adams following the 2021 season. Since then, Gutekunst drafted Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Samori Toure, Jayden Reed, Dontayvion Wicks, and Grant DuBose, and added Bo Melton off the Seahawks’ practice squad. What an incredible hit rate in just a couple of years. The Packers have gone from having one of the league’s worst wide receiving corps to possibly one of its best.

 

  • Tight end: It had been many, many years and many failed experiments since the Packers really nailed the tight end position. While there was a year where Robert Tonyan looked promising, ultimately he could not end up being the guy. Last year the Packers drafted Luke Musgrave and Tucker Kraft, two dynamic young players with very complementary skill sets who both showed a ton of promise. They also grabbed Ben Sims as a depth pickup. This year, there were no concerns over the tight end position.

 

  • Safety: Oh my goodness, was this ever an area of need. The Packers got some solid to great play out of Adrian Amos for several years before his decline became noticeable, but Darnell Savage never quite blossomed into the player fans hoped he could be after his first two seasons. As Gutekunst is wont to do, he tossed resources at this area of need this offseason, and now the Packers have a proven stud in Xavier McKinney and a couple promising rookies in Javon Bullard and Evan Williams. Let’s not forget the potential for Anthony Johnson Jr. to really improve in a rotational position!

 

  • Defensive line: Another area of the team that was a weakness for many years, it’s suddenly become an area of strength. CHTV’s own Aaron Nagler was beating the drum of “give Kenny Clark some help” for a long time, and that finally came to fruition. TJ Slaton is a reliable run stuffer on early downs. Devonte Wyatt continues to show more and more athleticism and ability to get after the passer. Perhaps the real surprise stud was Karl Brooks, who made a big impression as a rookie a year ago. Then you’ve got Colby Wooden, who was solid as a depth/rotational player. 

These are just four position groups; overall, the transformation of this team has been remarkable. For a guy who took a whole lot of grief over the last couple years for how he’s handled the decisions to move on from Davante Adams and Aaron Rodgers, he’s sure followed up with some incredible maneuvering in the draft and free agency to get this roster where it needs to be to contend again. 

Now the players just have to go out there and produce to the level of their abilities.

 

 

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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.

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NickPerry's picture

August 15, 2024 at 07:31 am

Great to read "Hello Wisconsin" again Tim. I've always enjoyed it and judging by this one I will again this year.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 15, 2024 at 09:09 am

"What I’m watching closely"

Wide receiver battle:
Definitely 4 locks. I think Melton and DuBose are on the 53. The one I'm not sure about is Heath. If they keep 7, its easy. If they keep 6. I am not sure which one of the 3 will be cut.

Kicker woes:
I keep bringing this up, but we place all the blame last year on Carlson. I have had a greater concern with the long snapper. Go back and review a lot of Carlsons misses last year. I don't know how many but a lot of them the snap was bad and clearly threw off the timing. I have not heard much about the long snapping outside of they keep letting Bowden go.
I know during family night the final kick for Carlsons was a low snap almost bouncing off the ground. That concerns me more then anything.

Defensive differences:
"This comes with a bigger risk of giving up big plays, but as we saw with Barry’s scheme, the Packers were giving up everything, so anything is an improvement"
The way i view it is you can't play scared. You can't call a game scared. That is how I felt Barry called games. He called them scared. When we started seeing a more aggressive approach last year the defense started to play a lot better. Also that is when LaFleur got involved with the defense much more too. I can't wait to see Hafley's defense.

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NFLfan's picture

August 15, 2024 at 09:26 am

I know Aaron is an exhausting guy but I can understand his frustration with Green Bay's foot-dragging re: their soft, inept Defense/coach, incompetent Special Teams, recent weak receiver room (Davante excluded).
GB took a very long time to finally properly scout and load up on competent WRs, to finally address the D after years of poor coaching/personnel and to finally put together a competent safety room. It should not have taken this long. I would call this glacial in terms of speed.

Downvote away.
I'm just keeping it real.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 15, 2024 at 09:32 am

Look, we were in the Championship game in 2019 and 2020 In 2021, we had the #1 seed. I'm not sure how that meshes with your "competent WRs" comment. In 2020, we led the league in offense. In 2021, we were a Top 8 team in passing yards, passing TDs, and Net Yards/passing attempt. In 2022 we drafted Watson and Doubs.

And the D.......finished 13th, 9th, 10th....consistently better than most of the teams in the NFL.

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Oppy's picture

August 15, 2024 at 09:44 am

Agree on the defense.

Don't get me wrong, the defense has had its issues and I'm happy to see the change, but Joe's defense wasn't as lousy as fans' memories would have you believe.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:11 am

I can also easily promote the narrative Barry Ball wasn't as good as some fans' memories would have you believe.

It was never the points his D's game up...it is when they were surrendered playing Prevent (the win).

Near the end of the game (7 games last year including the SF playoff loss), with the Packers holding a lead late in the 4th quarter. Many fans memories will recall the Defense playing that Prevent (the win) as the opponents moved with ease down the field to score the game winning points.

I have many memories of Joe Barry. The first was my shock when Matt named his buddy Joe, the failed DC, after he just missed hiring Jim Leonard. The second to last memory was, to the shock of no one, the end of game loss to the niners as they glided to the winning score.

My last memory was one of relief when Matt finally agreed Joe must go. I wish Mr. Barry well in his next DC job. He did get a DC job right? There were many openings this year.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 15, 2024 at 05:59 pm

Points are the only statistic that matters. Points are the only statistic that matters. Points are the only statistic that matters.

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Oppy's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:40 pm

The only thing that affects wins and losses is total points scored and total points allowed. When the points are scored and when they are surrendered doesn't actually matter- that's just emotional response.

There were games in the past few seasons where the Packers defense held teams to less than the league average while the offense completely stalled, but because the defense allowed a field goal or TD late in the game, the cries from the fans are the the defense lost the game. If the defense gave up the same number of points in the first quarter of play then shut out the opposing team for the final 3 quarters- giving up the exact same number of points- nobody blames the defense for the loss.

This is a tough concept for people to accept because we've been trained to have an emotional response to the game. Leave that for the players. When points are scored and when points are given up don't actually have any affect on the outcome of the game- only the total points allowed/surrendered during the entire game.

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Minniman's picture

August 15, 2024 at 03:11 pm

Oppy, I think it was that other (more egregious in the NFL) variable than lousy - Consistency - that was Joe Barry's doom.

They could be solid for several sets, then be totally disorganized for one set and have points put on them in 3-6 plays - from any starting position on the field.

You have a major problem when science nerds troll you about needing the hubble telescope to see your secondary (relative to the down marker).

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Oppy's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:42 pm

I agree wholeheartedly that the real issue was consistency, minniman.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 16, 2024 at 05:04 am

Oppy,

opponents could ALWAYS get the first down. It wasn't even contested! Whether JB "lost the locker room," the scheme was silly, or just a poor fit for the talent he had to work with, I don't know.

It did NOT work.

I'm more than happy to see the change, and very much look forward to it this season. Name a single player expected to play worse because of the scheme change, I don't think we have any.

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Oppy's picture

August 16, 2024 at 07:49 am

"Name a single player expected to play worse because of the scheme change, I don't think we have any."

Well, that's a mighty silly proposition.

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NFLfan's picture

August 15, 2024 at 09:44 am

The Defense and its coach were widely known as being as soft as they were expensive.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:55 am

10th in the league was soft. A soft defense went into Dallas and crushed the league's best offense. A soft defense held SF below their season average, at home.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 15, 2024 at 11:01 am

Let him go LH...let him go. All will be well.

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GregC's picture

August 15, 2024 at 09:35 am

And yet somehow the Packers were one of the best teams in the league from 2019 to 2021, narrowly missed the playoffs in 2022, and were right back in the thick of it in 2023. Not bad for being incompetent.

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Oppy's picture

August 15, 2024 at 09:42 am

The roster-building was hamstrung by an aging diva QB who demanded other aging vets be kept while shunning utilization of younger players unless no other option was available.

The defense, as Leatherhead points out below, wasn't as horrible as we've been led to believe. Room for improvement? Absolutely. Used as a scapegoat for failures that sometimes weren't as simple as 'defense sucked'? Absolutely.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 15, 2024 at 09:42 am

NFLfan, your preseason form is exceptionally poor. You're going to have to work harder in practice or you'll be on the outside looking in come the regular season.

You might try workshopping this material in ChatGPT. Pithier material, more punch, better aim on the trolling.

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NFLfan's picture

August 15, 2024 at 09:57 am

Listen Bitter (appropriate name)-
I give you a wide berth for a reason.
I am telling the truth. Sorry, if it hurts your feelings.

Green Bay held on to Darnell Savage, Adrian Amos, Dean Lowry, DeGuara, Newman (still there), Joe Barry, Drayton when it was obvious they were dead wood. None of those individuals had anything to do with Rodgers.

Green Bay was very slow making necessary changes though they seem to have finally picked up speed.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:57 am

We should never have average players. All of our players should be above average.

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Oppy's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:23 pm

Leatherhead,

I understand the point you are making, and I agree that sometimes fans expect the irrational.

However, while it's unrealistic to expect that every player on a roster be top tier players, an NFL team should certainly always be looking to find above average players to take the jobs of average starters.

Respect the players for the jobs they are tasked with doing, but if they aren't plus players, look for upgrade.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 15, 2024 at 06:02 pm

A totally appropriate name, it's my palate preference. I'll have a negroni, not a sour.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 16, 2024 at 05:10 am

I can't believe Newman is still here! All this depth and they STILL can't recognize he needs to go?!?

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2024 at 08:21 am

I think this is signaling something about the depth on the OL in general at this point. It's a quagmire. It might turn out to be just fine, but there's not a lot of head-turning stuff coming from the middle parts of the depth chart.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:57 am

Yeah, he's on the bubble. Maybe some time on the practice squad would help him understand what a fact is.

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T7Steve's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:09 am

Tim, I love the William Kent Kruger books and have read them all so far. Love reading stories about places I've been, like the Boundry Waters and his star sneaks into Wisconsin too. Now I'm reading the Alex McKnight series by Steve Hamilton that's based in the UP. Also enjoy all the CJ Box books now that I live in the mountain west.

Now, back to football! Getting kids into football and other sports is a good way to keep them out of trouble. Never risked getting caught doing anything that could jeopardize eligibility. Actually, have to watch close because we were proud about how good we were about not getting caught.

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stockholder's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:18 am

The roster still does not have that star appeal.
So when the regular season starts-
It's just a whole different animal.
Looking around the NFC North should
tell you that.
Praise for Gute won't beat the Lions.
They are the favorites ,and they have
the Vegas odds.
Is new better?
Thats what this season must determine.

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Packers0808's picture

August 15, 2024 at 11:22 am

Who needs star appeal? The name of the game is team play not individual stardom. Lots of stars in the NFL in years past and never got them the ultimate goal, Super Bowl Ring won as a team.

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mnbadger's picture

August 15, 2024 at 12:21 pm

I agree with you Stock, "Praise for Gute won't beat the lions!"
But the PACKERS kicked their arses last year and will do it again this year.
I am so glad that our former stars are shining their light on other franchises.
Except for Aaron Jones, whom I'll always miss.
GPG!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 16, 2024 at 05:13 am

6-0 in the division, 14-3 on the season 😎

GPG!!

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PackAttack4155's picture

August 15, 2024 at 08:29 pm

The youngest team in the league won't have much star appeal, yet.

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Wisma Packer's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:24 am

"The MINNESOTA VIKINGS are once again likely to be bad, especially with no hope of a rookie sensation in JJ McCarthy".

I feel bad for JJ McCarthy.

However, I do not feel bad for the Vikings. I remember the unholy glee, and the celebrations and also merchandise that the Vikings world generated regarding the injury that Anthony Barr caused Aaron Rodgers. No, I certainly do not feel bad for the Vikings. At this point of time, I would refer them to that Anthony Barr hit and how they glorified it.

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Wisma Packer's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:32 am

"Since then, Gutekunst drafted Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Samori Toure, Jayden Reed, Dontayvion Wicks, and Grant DuBose, and added Bo Melton off the Seahawks’ practice squad. What an incredible hit rate in just a couple of years. The Packers have gone from having one of the league’s worst wide receiving corps to possibly one of its best."

This same crop (or any other rookies/juniors of the same talent) would not have made a difference prior to last year. Why? Because we all know that Aaron Rodgers would not have thrown to them. He would have his favorite veterans, and they would get the ball. The current crop would stand no chance because they would make a few mistakes (which they definitely did last year) and after those mistakes they would be relegated to the doghouse by Aaron. I love Aaron, but Rodgers was his own greatest enemy.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 15, 2024 at 11:00 am

A key difference Matt's IOC Offense, under Love, is now being deployed as envisioned. All the skill players get to participate. Full participation is what makes it deadly. Keeps the Defense off balance for second or two to attack a weak spot.

Rodgers relied on specific players to make HIS offense go.

Love relies on the Illusion of Complexity system to be his flywheel. It seems Love and the skill players are dialed in to the IOC this preseason. If everyone does their job, opportunities for all!

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dobber's picture

August 15, 2024 at 11:05 am

In all honesty, I think the IOC was really nothing more than a moniker for continuing the trend of bringing more college-like sets and play into the NFL, and lots of teams are doing it. Some have the personnel or the intuitive play-callers (or both) to do it more effectively than others.

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Oppy's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:32 pm

The "illusion of complexity" is just a fancy way of saying the offense has simple concepts for the players to execute, but there's a lot of window dressing in the form of pre-snap motion, 'dummy' calls, and mixed personnel groupings and alignments that the same plays can be run out of- you overload the defense with false information and show them different plays out of the same sets, or run the same plays out of different sets.

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mnbadger's picture

August 15, 2024 at 12:23 pm

I don't love 12, but agree that he and his ego were his demise, IMO.
GPG

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 16, 2024 at 05:15 am

You both forgot

MALIK HEATH

Our best? Certainly not, but still a valuable contributor.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 15, 2024 at 10:44 am

Sunday's game will be the Back Ups Bowl. No starters playing, giving way to players currently starring in the role of "Next Man Up".

I look forward to it....should be a fun one to watch...especially for knowledgeable Cheeseheaders.

The game should solidify the most of the 53 and top candidates for the Practice Squad, now an important component of the overall roster.

This will be a great test for the new Pack Attack Defense Back Ups going against Bronco Starters. They will be introduced to each other on Friday and carry the battle over to Sunday.

On Offense: Clifford vs Pratt for #2; AJD vs Wilson for #3; Rhyan, Monk, Neeeeewman!, Jones and Dillard (I guess) vs the depth chart spots 6, 7, 8; TEs Davis vs Sims for #3; WRs DuBose, Melton, Heath for #'s 5 and 6...or #5 and the top Practice Squad candidate. (I hope all 3 WRs make it incredibly difficult to make these decisions!)

STs: No starting Kicker so that derby continues...not just for the 53, but who is the likely insurance policy for the Practice Squad? If the starter falters early...here comes Captain Hook!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 16, 2024 at 05:20 am

Today's practice should be more interesting than Sunday's game in the sense that our starters will play. I hope ALL these position battles are so highly competitive that they give MLF fits trying to decide not only roster spots but starters.

GPG!

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dobber's picture

August 15, 2024 at 11:00 am

Watching closely--
The development of roster depth is key in the modern NFL. Not only do you need to have front-line players who can make plays, but you need to be able to support them in case of injury. You can't pay everyone, and as contracts keep getting bigger and teams are forced to swallow dead money as a way of doing business, you need to be constantly drafting well and making the most of these players when they're young and cheap.

There are a lot of young pieces on this OL--only one guy (Jenkins) has a big contract, which allows cap dollars to be used elsewhere. They've got to find guys who can plug-and-play when injuries strike. The WR group played well in 2023...they need this young deep young group to avoid regression. They'll have hard decisions to make come contract time and that picture needs to clarify itself. They don't have the luxury of 5th year options with these guys.

Defensive differences--
It's been said around here before: every summer hope builds that this defense will rise to the level of the draft investment in it. The old defensive models were built to complement an efficient offense that they felt could outscore opponents while forcing the opposition to play nearly mistake free to keep up. But modern offenses have developed to beat the shell--short, efficient passing games with RAC potential make it hard to keep playing from ahead. We'll see if we get the attacking, playmaking defense we're being sold, or if the personnel on hand can make it go.

Summer reading list--
That's a heavy list!
Project Hail Mary is a good read. As a scientist, I give Weir credit for trying to not only build stories around credible ideas, but also for doing a good job of explaining what's going on and why his protagonists do what they do. He does a nice job of character development. Not as good as The Martian, but well worth the read.

Around the NFC North--
The Bears have done a pretty extensive re-tool over the last two seasons. They made a run last season by beating mostly bad teams (or teams playing poorly) with a defense called by Eberflus...so naturally he hired someone to take over defensive play-calling duties. Williams might be better prepared than most rookie QB, but they need to be able to protect him. Some question how much Williams really has to give...that he's too distracted by his own brand to be great. We'll see.

The Lions are a similar team to last year, but have been bitten by the injury bug already. They've gone from riding rookie deals to having to make hard decisions and paying players, and it's eroding their depth. It's one thing to play the underdog and motivate a roster that way and wholly another to have to play with the target on your back. One has to ask how they will be able to respond once the injuries set in, and teams were able to push them around last year (Bears, Packers) at times.

The Vikings needed to give over to a rebuild a couple years ago. Instead, they tried to drag it out. Injuries and bad behavior have already started to hit this team. I don't see a lot of difference in the outcome for them this year whether McCarthy (Christian Ponder 2.0) or Darnold plays. Still, they're better than a lot of divisional bottom-feeders. The NFCN might be the strongest division in the NFL this year.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 15, 2024 at 07:57 pm

The Lions needed help at cornerback and took Terrion Arnold (who will have to start) and Rakestraw, who probably needs to contribute early. So far, so good, I gather.

Still, Detroit only had 5 picks, a first, a second, a fourth, and two sixths. In a curious move, they traded a future third for the 26th pick in the fourth round to add a sixth pick. Detroit picked OT Giovanni Manu, a LT from a small school and a complete project. Manu is a mammoth 352 pounds but ran a 4.96 forty. So, a combine warrior/athletic freak who can't help early. Pride of Detroit wrote that Manu looked lost at LT in their preseason game.

Then, curiously, Detroit used their own 4th round pick on Safety turned RB Sione Vaki, who looks electric with the ball in his hands, according to Pride of Detroit. I have no idea if he a pass protect or catch the ball. Detroit just signed RB Montgomery and took Jaymer Gibbs with the 12th pick last year. Always take good players, I guess.

The Lions selected a DT and an OG in the sixth. DT Wingo apparently flashed some and is expected to stick while OG Mahagony didn't play and half the writers expect him to be a PS guy and half expect him to make the 53. BTW: Donovan Peoples-Jones is on the bubble.

It doesn't look like Detroit is going to get a lot of help unless it comes from Arnold and Rakestraw.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 15, 2024 at 11:01 am

As always, it’s time to go around the NFC North.

The CHICAGO BEARS -
While Williams no question has a ton of talent, I never liked the idea of handing the keys to the rookie QB the keys to the team. I am more about earning it versus handing them the job. Not a ton of QB's come into the league and tear it up. And more often then not, QB's are not prepared and struggle. We will see what happens with Williams, but I do feel like there are some red flags there.

The DETROIT LIONS -
Lions are a good team. I just don't see them as a great team. Its about the QB. I just don't view Goff as the guy that will get them over the top. Maybe he will. I just don't see it.

The MINNESOTA VIKINGS -
In the long run it may help the Vikings with McCarthy getting hurt. They won't be looking to turn to him which could ruin him. But I am guessing the Vikings will be bad this year. I foresee them having a top 10 pick.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 15, 2024 at 11:16 am

A difference between the Packers and the bares first round QB draft picks is preparation, the key to success.

The bares anoint first rounders as starters and are shocked when they continue to play like college QBs in the Bigger, Faster, Stronger, Smarter NFL game. College studs are demoralized becoming duds.

The Packers first rounders learn all about the Bigger, Faster, Stronger, Smarter NFL game, preparing behind a likely HOF starter.

When the bares start their first rounder QBs, they are never considered a top NFL QB by season's end...and never are until they are released.

When the Packers start theirs, they are the BEST PREPARED first year starters in the NFL. Top rankings usually follow. And so does Canton.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 15, 2024 at 12:03 pm

I just look at how many QB's were never really given a chance because they were thrust into action way before they were ready and/or were put in some really bad situations. We have the experience with seeing how making a QB sit and wait can be a great thing. But other teams that have had QB's wait have benefited as well. Think about Mahomes.
Speaking of Mahomes. Look at the 2017 draft. Bears took Trubisky with the 2nd pick. KC took Mahomes at 10, and Texans took Watson at 12. ALso the Browns took DeShone Kizer in the 2nd round.
Trubisky started 12 games and his career never took off.
Mahomes started 1 game and his career has been amazing.
Watson started started 6 games and was having a great career until his personal life impacted it.
Kizer started 15 games and was essentially out of the league 2 years later.

The next year in 2018 Baker Mayfield was taken 1 overall. Sam Darnold 3, Josh Allen 7, Josh Rosen 10, and Lamar Jackson 32.
Mayfield started 13 games, mediocre career
Darnold started 13 games, medicre career
Josh Allen started 11 games, good career
Josh Rosen started 13 games, bad career
Lamar Jackson started 7 games, good career

Now not everyone of these guys would be turned into Hall of Famers. I just wonder how good some of them actually would have been if they were allowed time to develop and weren't put in bad situations early that essentially ruined them.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 15, 2024 at 06:07 pm

Goff is good. Arguably better than a 40+ yo Aaron Rodgers, so give him some credit. I don't think you can strap a team to his back, but he certainly won't be the cause of their pending fall.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

August 15, 2024 at 02:34 pm

Great to see you back, Tim! Best of luck with your classes this year! This retired high school English teacher knows the routine! Thanks for the book reviews, too!

My beer discovery of the summer was Mango Cart, from Golden Road Brewing in California--but I encountered it on tap in three different Wisconsin "Lake Bars," and it's pretty darn delicious for a non-Wisconsin beer! :-D

This team really has what appears to be remarkable depth. Let's hope the Fates are kind on the injury front.

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TimBackes's picture

August 15, 2024 at 04:10 pm

Funny you say that--I ALSO encountered Mango Cart for the first time this summer at a "lake bar!"

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

August 15, 2024 at 04:30 pm

I bought a six-pack of Mango Cart, but as usual, it wasn’t as good as on tap. (Still was pretty good! 😃)

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TheBigCat's picture

August 15, 2024 at 04:23 pm

Greetings back to you, Hello Wisconsin!
Your writings brought back memories of a GB-MN I attended in 1980, in the "old Metropolitan Stadium." It had all the makings of a Packers bloodbath; however, it proved to be one of the best game-day experiences of my life (and that includes games in Lambeau, feeling the ground rumble from the famous "Packers Sweep Right" with Vince on the sidelines). The crowd make-up was 1/3 Packer fans, Packers featured Dickey at QB and Lofton at WR. My friend (a Vikings fan) and I were surrounded by Vikings fans from SD, who regularly passed around the schnapps/hot chocolate to anyone with a thirst. Packers ended up on the winning side. But the best part of the experience was seeing a huge sign hanging from the upper deck the read "Vikings can't lick our Dickey." BTW, Dickey will be at a benefit in LaCrosse this weekend. If you are in the area, stop in and share your favorite Dickey memory with him. He provided several for Packers fan during his tenure. It's not about the destination (Super Bowl), it's about the journey (memories created along the way.

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