Hello Wisconsin: Giving Thanks for Franchise Stability

It's hard not to be thankful as a Packer fan.

The Green Bay Packers are 8-3 heading into a home primetime Thanksgiving matchup against the Miami Dolphins. And for Packer fans, there is certainly plenty to be thankful for.

To me, top on the list is the franchise stability the Packers have enjoyed for most of my 36 years of life to this point.

Just how fortunate we are to have a stable franchise was further emphasized by the recent events transpiring with the New York Jets.

The Jets traded for Aaron Rodgers a year and a half ago in a move that was widely hailed as being a masterclass by then-general manager Joe Douglas, who outwitted the apparently hapless Brian Gutekunst to bring in a player that would help the team compete immediately for a title.

Obviously, things have not worked out that way. Rodgers ruptured his achilles and missed almost the entire 2023 season. The Jets’ poor start cost Robert Saleh and Douglas their jobs midseason and led to reports that owner Woody Johnson wanted to bench Rodgers after the team’s loss to Denver. 

The franchise is an absolute mess, and will be extending its playoff drought that leads all the major American sports leagues.

Then you’ve got a team like the Chicago Bears, which keeps making the same mistake over and over again regarding timing new coaches and quarterbacks. In all likelihood the cycle will begin again after this season, when the Bears will (if they are smart) do what they should have done last offseason: fire Matt Eberflus and find a coach who will actually be complementary to the skills of new franchise quarterback (for now) Caleb Williams.

In contrast to these dumpster fire organizations, the Packers are an incredible model of consistency, one that Rodgers may well have taken for granted. 

(It is now being reported that Rodgers wishes to play next season, but not for the Jets.)

Consider what the Packers have accomplished since the Rodgers trade.

Last year, the team was expected by many to be a bottom feeder in the first year under Jordan Love with the youngest roster in the league. Instead, the team made it to the second round of the playoffs, nearly upsetting the eventual NFC champions in their own stadium. This was the kind of result that the big optimists would have maybe hoped for this year.

Now, in 2024, the Packers are off to an excellent 8-3 start, one that only doesn’t look as impressive as it is because this is the only time in history there have been two teams with better records than 8-3 in the same division as the 8-3 team.

Yes, it’s true that the Packers have not yet fully played up to their capability this year. But the fact that they’ve managed to win eight of eleven games and still haven’t shown us anything close to their peak should be exciting; this is a team that has not peaked too early and is forced, because of divisional circumstance, to maintain its energy and intensity into the late portions of the season. 

At the very least, the Packers are a team that has beaten every single team they were supposed to. That’s a big deal – not once have they been upset this season. And while you’d love to see them finish one of those games against the Eagles or Vikings, this is a team that clearly belongs with those top-flight contenders. 

The franchise’s model of consistency set up Jordan Love for success and allowed the team to be in a position where they are legitimate contenders for at least the next couple years. 

Mark Murphy, Brian Gutekunst, and Matt LaFleur deserve tremendous credit for how they’ve handled these past couple of years.

Wisconsin Beer of the Week

I’ve featured Hillsboro Brewing Company in this space a few times. The first beer of theirs I had was several years ago when I had their Leaping Lemur cream ale and enjoyed it far more than I expected to, especially for a relatively simple/not all that interesting style. I’ve had several more of their beers since then and have consistently enjoyed them, even if I haven’t been absolutely floored by their quality.

The most recent one I tried may be my favorite one from the brewery yet, and it’s perfectly in season. It’s called Badger Sweat, a Vanilla Bean Milk Stout.

Here’s how the brewery describes it: 

“Just like our brewery, this great state of ours was founded on the blood, sweat, and tears of the men and women. We are excited to bring you this vanilla bean milk stout, coming in at 6% ABV.”

The beer is smooth and relatively light for a stout (befitting of the milk stout style). The vanilla adds additional smoothness and sweetness without being overpowering. This is an extremely pleasant stout that fits a wide variety of occasions, especially as the temperature is starting to get a bit brisker out there.

You’ll probably be able to find it at any local liquor store that sells craft beer in Wisconsin. I got mine where I get most of my beer: from Woodman’s. So if you’re looking to try something new, I can definitely recommend this one!

Let’s appreciate a blowout!

There was a surprisingly large portion of the fanbase that seemed dissatisfied with the blowout victory over the San Francisco 49ers this past weekend. On BlueSky things were mostly positive, as it tends to be there, but still a bit muted. And from what I hear, other corners of the internet were not particularly happy.

I get some of the consternation; Brandon Allen had a little bit too easy of a time for much of the game considering what was expected from him. But let’s remember that he has a true quarterback whisperer for a coach and is surrounded by some pretty outstanding weapons. Ultimately the defense only allowed 10 points and had several crucial takeaways that helped a stalling offense.

Speaking of the offense, yes, they disappeared for the end of the second quarter and basically the entirety of the third. But they finished strong. They produced the first 100-yard rusher against the 49ers since the early part of the 2020 season (!). 

It really is impressive that this team already has such high expectations that a 38-10 victory over a team that has been the cause of the Packers’ demise too many times over the last decade and a half can feel so underwhelming.

Ultimately, the 49ers were never all that close to winning this football game, and the final score accurately reflects the difference between the two teams that were on the field that day.

And I don’t want to hear the talk of “well they had all these players injured.” That’s football. Every team has to deal with injuries. The 2010 Packers could have filled a hospital unit with their IR and won a Super Bowl. This very team went undefeated with its backup quarterback in for two and a half games. 

You can only beat the teams in front of you. And the Packers have generally been doing exactly that this year.

Around the NFC North

As always, it’s time to go around the NFC North.

  • The CHICAGO BEARS managed to have blocked kicks in back to back weeks. How is that a thing that can even happen? How do you not get that fixed after the Packer game, KNOWING that Green Bay went into that game with the mindset of "if we don't get a blocked kick, it'll be a dissapointment?" It's just the latest example of widespread organizational dysfunction. This franchise continues to be a disappointment to its fans and a treat to its haters. It's me, I'm a hater.

 

  • The DETROIT LIONS continue to cruise along in the top seed in the conference, but they've got the Vikings and Eagles breathing right down their necks and the Packers not too far behind. They're going to have to keep the pedal to the metal if they're going to achieve their goal of the top overall seed for the first time in their franchise history. They get their classic Thanksgiving showcase against the Bears; will there be a repeat of a holiday embarrassment? Surely last Thanksgiving against the Packers has to be on their minds this week.

 

  • The MINNESOTA VIKINGS keep reeling off victories despite feeling like a very beatable team. It's to their credit that they've accomplished this; good teams beat the teams they should beat, and they're doing that over and over again, all while being continually underestimated by people like me. They very nearly threw away the game against the Bears this week, but still managed to get down to business and secure the divisional W in overtime. All they need to do is keep winning.

This or That in Mr. Backes’s classroom: Week 12

As some of you may recall, last year I started doing weekly “this or that” polls on the whiteboard in my classroom at school for laughs. I decided to make it a weekly part of this column to keep you updated on what the youths are saying these days about entirely unimportant issues.

Here are some of the results from the last week:

  • Thanksgiving dinner defeated Thanksgiving leftovers
  • Thanksgiving football defeated Thanksgiving parade
  • Apple pie defeated pumpkin pie
  • Procrastinating defeated getting it done

 

I’ll continue to keep you updated on the most pressing issues of our time.

Early looks at the NFC playoff picture beginning to form

I know, I know, we’ve not even seen any Thanksgiving football played yet, so it’s a little early to be thinking about the playoff picture. However, now that the ESPN playoff machine is available (marking my favorite time of year), it’s impossible for me not to start playing out scenarios.

Let’s just say this right away: it’s looking really good for the Packers right now. They’d have to have an absolute collapse to not get into the playoffs. 

Unfortunately, they’re playing in one of the strongest divisions the NFL has ever seen. This is the first time since the NFL/AFL merger that, after 11 games played, a division has three teams with at least eight victories. What we’re seeing out of the NFC North is unprecedented right now, and because these three teams keep winning, it forces them to keep the intensity ramped up in their approach to all their games.

Right now in the NFC, you can all but engrave in that the Packers, Lions, Vikings, and Eagles will be in the playoffs. 

After that there’s a bit of debate. In the NFC West, everyone is technically alive at the moment. The 49ers are going to have some difficulty with the injuries they’ve had, and they’ve already lost some key tiebreakers. You can never count out a Sean McVay squad, and the Cardinals were looking like they were in the drivers’ seat until coming out flat against Seattle. Really, that divisional race is wide open, and there’s still a possibility that they could send two teams if the Commanders’ recent struggles continue.

Speaking of the Commanders, they’re currently in the 7th spot in the conference, but a couple tough losses have some questioning whether they’re going to be there for long. It is an inexperienced squad, but so far there has yet to be a consistent playoff contender to emerge from the rest of the conference.

In the NFC South, right now the Bucs and the Falcons would be the two favorites there, but neither one is exactly inspiring a ton of confidence. I’d say it’s much more likely that (if the Commanders don’t get into the playoffs) the NFC West sends a second team to the playoffs than this division.

While nobody is technically “out of it” yet, there are certainly some teams you can probably just stop paying attention to (ahem… Chicago). 

While there may not be quite as many playoff slots “up for grabs” as usual, it still promises to be a thrilling finish. And with a win this week against Miami and a win next week against Detroit, the Packers would suddenly be right back in the chase for the division title. 

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Looking forward to celebrating my favorite holiday of the year! You get a ton of great food, the parade, football, time off work… without the pressure of having to buy presents. Honestly, hard to top any of that.

I’ll be in central Wisconsin this time around at the in-laws’ place, but will be looking forward to seeing the Packers that evening.

I gotta say, it’s nice to have the Packers not play in the middle of the day on Thanksgiving. It allows more socialization and doesn’t ruin the dinner if they lose. Plus, I can make sure the kids are in bed before the game starts so we can watch uninterrupted.

Whatever you’re doing, wherever you’re celebrating, I hope you have a great holiday and have plenty of things in your life to be thankful for.

Week 13 Picks

Week 13 already??? This is wild.

The Dolphins are playing much better football with Tua back in the swing of things. It’s still a lot to ask any team to come to Lambeau Field on a short week, especially when it’s a Florida team playing in late November in the brisk Wisconsin air.

I think the Packers have the offense needed to keep the Dolphins off the field and a defense sufficient to hold their passing offense in check just enough to get the win. The Packers advance to 9-3 and turn their attention to another showdown with Detroit.

LAST WEEK: 9-4

SEASON TO DATE: 123-58

 

THIS WEEK, give me…

 

LIONS over Bears

COWBOYS over Giants

PACKERS over Dolphins

CHIEFS over Raiders

TEXANS over Jaguars

COLTS over Patriots

CHARGERS over Falcons

SEAHAWKS over Jets

COMMANDERS over Titans

BENGALS over Steelers

CARDINALS over Vikings

RAMS over Saints

BUCS over Panthers

RAVENS over Eagles

BILLS over 49ers

BRONCOS over Browns

 

 

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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.

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HarryHodag's picture

November 28, 2024 at 07:54 am

Happy Thanksgiving! Take a moment to look into the history of the holiday and why it shouldn't be forgotten amidst the mad dash to shop for Christmas.

Franchise stability: After the Packers victories in the 40's the 1950's found hard times in Green Bay. Curly Lambeau had moved on, the Packers teams were not so good and there were whispers that a number of cities would line up for the franchise. Enter Vince Lombardi and you know the rest.
Unlike baseball where you see the Yankees and the Dodgers living like fat kings, football figured the smaller markets like Green Bay and Cincinnati would not last long unless they found a way to make every franchise competitive. Over time, revenue sharing and later the salary cap brought parity to the NFL. It's the idea that 'Any Given Sunday' the weak could rise up against the mighty(reference recent Carolina game against Kansas City) that make NFL football the sport of the land.
The main threat comes when the families and owners that put revenue sharing and the cap in place are gone, replaced by egomaniacs who are in it for themselves only. The Packers, I've read, have enough money to last a year without revenue sharing but that would be it. Those two things, plus the shared draft that gives the teams talent as they do which is why the game is so good.

Much to be thankful for!

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Guam's picture

November 28, 2024 at 08:42 am

Happy Thanksgiving!

My thanks go to Tim, TGR, Cory, Al and all the other authors who devote time and energy to writing articles for CHTV. I'm an oldster who appreciates the written word over pod casts and I know these authors do this as a labor of love and not for money. Without their diligent efforts CHTV doesn't exist and my life would be poorer for it. So thank you folks for all of your efforts on behalf of the best team and fan base in the world.

I also had to chuckle at Tim's perspective as a 36 year old. He has only seen glory years. I am about twice Tim's age and remember the Lombardi years as well as the desert that was the 70's and 80's. Those two decades were lean years for Packer fans and we closely resembled the Bears of the last twenty years. Thank heavens for Bob Harlan who straightened out that mess and got the Packers back on the road to success.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 28, 2024 at 09:11 am

Excellent comment, Guam. I am similarly aged and recall the wilderness 70's and 80's decades. Back then, fan's goal for the game was the Packers' QB passing for 200 yards and a RB getting 100 yards...and keeping the score close.

I did meet my wife of 37 years in the 80's, who was from Green Bay. My Father in Law offered two season tickets during the dark days of Forest Gregg. (and no, that was not the main reason I married her!)

Ever since Harlan saved the Packers, we fans have been blessed.

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Guam's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:23 am

Those season tickets may not have been the reason but they were a pretty good benefit. My wife's parents were Patriots fans (met her in New Hampshire)........

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 28, 2024 at 08:46 am

On this day to give thanks, Faith, Family, Friends...and the Green Bay Packers...in that order, per St. Vince.

Both NY franchises are in a mangled mess of dysfunction from the board room down to the players on the field. Meanwhile, the NFC North is leading the NFL in winning games at a rate I have never seen in my lifetime.

I do not agree the Rodgers trade was "a move that was widely hailed as being a masterclass by then-general manager Joe Douglas, who outwitted the apparently hapless Brian Gutekunst".

That's silly. You'd have to be a low info fan of the NFL to have believed that.

Anyone with "passing" knowledge of the NFL knew the trade did not involve the MVP Rodgers. Who was being traded was the declining, nearly 40 year old malcontent who was coming off the worst season of his career.

I believe most believed Gutey was delighted how he outwitted a desperate Joe Douglas fighting for his job with the under-delivering Jets.

Happy Thanksgiving to all our Friends at CHTV.

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Guam's picture

November 28, 2024 at 08:57 am

"You'd have to be a low info fan of the NFL to have believed that."

Actually you just had to be a fan of the NY Jets. I still have some friends from my time living in NYC and they actually believed they got the better end of that deal, at least initially. They were so starved for decent QB play they thought Rodgers was their savior. They now know better.........

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Leatherhead's picture

November 28, 2024 at 09:38 am

The Jets are a bad organization, but they've got company. We should be thankful that we have an organization in place, and that it doesn't put people in a position where they can just get a wild hair and do something that causes real damage to the team.

They're in agony in Dallas, because they paid an insane amount of money for an old QB. Maybe they thought they could pull the same maneuver with Prescott that Green Bay did with Rodgers, but I'm dubious.

It actually reminds me of the Long Dry Spell in the 70s and 80s, where we kept looking for the golden-armed miracle to restore the glory. Meanwhile, we were drafting poorly, making shaky trades, and just generally screwing up. And not winning.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:12 am

McCarthy is again being exposed for taking a passive role in the Defense as HC. Quinn was the real reason for their performance last season that resurrected him to again be a HC. And I believe Quinn is a very good coach.

Will MM ever be a head coach again if, as expected, Jerry does his usual "Jerry-mandering" and starts another rebuild?

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Leatherhead's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:53 am

Dan Quinn was the guy steering the ship during the greatest 2nd half collapse in Super Bowl history. If Quinn was the real reason for their performance, wasn't he the real reason for the way we destroyed them in the playoffs?

MM.....he can retire. He's made tons of money and he can get a TV job. He doesn't need this anymore. He has a ring. He's 15th in all-time wins, and just a few more moves him up to 13th. His .610 winning percentage is 35th, just ahead of Walsh and Landry(LaFleur is 11th).

He's got laurels he can rest on. In the meantime, he can hire a dietician before he explodes.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 28, 2024 at 12:43 pm

Despite the failure in the playoffs last year, Quinn got the Commanders job, and you apparently believe he's doing excellent work there. Go figure.

MM can retire for sure, but he doesn't seem the retiring type. I think his dream is to steer the Steelers franchise, but I believe that ship has sailed.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 28, 2024 at 12:41 pm

My best guess is you've never run anything Lambeau Plain. You hire people and let them do their jobs. The fact is that the owner does the hiring in Dallas, and McCarthy works for the owner. Ditto Dan Quinn, and now Mike Zimmer.

McCarthy runs the show, manages the coordinators, but when you hire an expert on defense, you sort of let them, you know, coordinate the defense.

You can see McCarthy's fingerprints on their professionalism and the way the accept their lot. He runs a pride-filled show with accountability being his job #1.

Leatherhead, McCarthy is getting fat again, which I can't quite tell is an indicator of his unhappiness, or if he just runs fat. I hope his home life is good, Mike McCarthy is good people.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:17 am

Though they overpaid in some respects, how exactly were they going forward without Dak. He led them to the best offense in the league last year, and the offense is structured around his skillsets (as somewhat limited as they are).

I'd agree that Jones hamstrings them and isn't all that good of a GM, but they fill the seats, and usually have a competitive product. I think hiring Zimmer was a bad mistake, better to have gone young and creative, but other than that and injury, what should have happened. If they don't run into a Packer buzzsaw last season, who knows how their season ends

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Guam's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:18 am

The Jets, Giants, Cowboys, Jaguars and Panthers are five current organizations that just can't seem to get out of their own way. The Packers were there in the 70's and 80's. It is hard to watch for the fans, but it happens.

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Since'61's picture

November 28, 2024 at 09:12 am

Happy Thanksgiving to all of my fellow Packers fans and to the Excellent team at CHTV. Enjoy the day and enjoy the game this evening.

The Packers will need to keep the Dolphins offense off the field similar to what they did against the 49ers. The Packers had 36+ minutes of possession against the 49ers. Hopefully they can do the same against Miami. The Packers will need to dominate the LOS especially the OL. Run the ball, move the sticks, time consuming scoring drives. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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GregC's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:13 am

I'm thinking the same thing, that time of possession could be important in this one. Make the Dolphins' offense sit on the bench in the cold for long stretches. Of course, the Dolphins could do exactly that to the Packers with their short passing game. The most worrisome matchups for me are Nixon, Valentine, and Stokes trying to cover Tyreek Hill and Jayden Waddle. The Dolphins have a very good tight end too.

It will be interesting to see if Wicks, Melton, and Heath can take up the slack with Romeo Doubs being out of the lineup. I'm hoping for a resurgence from Wicks in this game.

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NFLfan's picture

November 28, 2024 at 09:17 am

To be fair, Joe Douglas had the burden of dealing with Woody Johnson who was likely, along with his brother, Christopher, the driving force propelling the Rodger's trade. I never thought Douglas nor Saleh wanted Rodgers.
Saleh had plenty of Intel on Rodgers from MLF. If we're even 'realer', Mark Murphy did his share of meddling in football operations as well, esp. re: Rodgers.-not as much as Woody but neither Gutekunst nor Douglas were allowed to operate with autonomy.

Douglas admitted he' served at the pleasure of the owner'. Guteukunst seems freer in the last few years-2022 and on.

Now, back to the program...

GPG-

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:05 am

I believe Ed Policy, when he becomes President will, in Bob Harlan form, finally make Brian Gutekunst the GM of the football team in the form of the Wolfman and Ted.

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Guam's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:12 am

Gute certainly deserves it and it would get Policy's tenure as President off on the right foot. Fingers crossed!

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:23 am

Absolute fantasy.

Never. Going. To. Happen.

Matt LaFleur wouldn't agree to suddenly reporting to Gutekunst and Ball of the excel spreadsheet certainly wouldn't. Until Ball either quits, is fired, or retires, he'll be direct reporting to the President/CEO. Ditto MLF.

Also, how many President/CEO's have you heard of who give up authority. Makes no sense.

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TheBigCat's picture

November 28, 2024 at 09:57 am

"Procrastinating over getting things done." No truer words were ever written!
I think the bigger picture related to being thankful for the Packers is not the wins and losses, but the fact they remain The Green Bay Packers, the team of my youth: my first football card was Forest Gregg, watching The Vince Lombardi show on WSAU-tv, feeling the ground rumble when the famous sweep is being run in our direction at Lambeau Field, and buying my grandkids Packer gear (over the mild objections of their Vikings-fan father).
So, cheers to the Green Bay Packers, win or lose (though winning is much preferred).

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ricky's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:01 am

First, Happy Thanksgiving. And I have to say, this is one of the best articles/columns I've read on this site for some time. Not that the other content was bad or lacking. Just that you really outdid yourself today. We are in agreement on so many things. Thanksgiving being the best holiday of the year; that the Bears are the incarnation of ineptitude and evil in the NFL; that this franchise, since the dark days of the 70's through the '90's, has been a model of consistency and excellence. And that others know that coming to Lambeau is an experience every real football fan should experience at least once. That the fans are dedicated but not vicious (looking at you, Philadelphia). We are so fortunate.

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Spock's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:02 am

Tim, I thought you might say the results of: "Procrastinating Vs. getting it done" is TBD because no one got around to voting for either, lol.

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stockholder's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:30 am

Franchise stability?
Seriously your reading between the lines too much.
We were nearly beat by the bears.
Stealing games isn't stability.
It's called Luck. Where are the Blow outs?
I don't believe in praising someone, when
it's more like miracles do happen, in Green Bay.
The miracle of having two All-Pro QBs!!
The glory for Gute is obvious.
But the waste of talented QBs.
Should never be praise for those on top.
Wolf brought the packers back.
And the winning reassured us, of what a GM can do.
But for you to praise the current administration
is pathetic.
Considering the Packers haven't won since 2010.
The game is about winning. Not stability.
And I'd fire Gute before we end up like the Jets.
Drinking to Wasting talent shouldn't be festive.

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PhantomII's picture

November 28, 2024 at 12:29 pm

When you look back on the Glory days with Favre and AR super bowl eras, the Packers teams personnel were much better than todays. We are a very young team with few Vets. I think the Jacobs and FS pick are a step in the right direction and next year 65 mill cap space...Hopefully we pick up a FA CB1, and Top 5 DT and Top DE. Other positions of need are starting OC and better run game OL players along with a shifty RB with 4.4 or better speed.
A legit #1 WR to show the youth the work ethic and the way to CONSISTENTLY catch the ball and run crisp routes and prepare to be a pro. I think JL gets much better when the young WR's catch nearly all the catchable balls and he is not feeling pressed to do more. We are a good team minus these holes...but could be a juggernaut with a few more key additions....GPG

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 28, 2024 at 10:30 am

harumph. apple pie defeated pumpkin pie. youth is wasted on the young.

says bitter, whose thanksgiving meal will be completed with a basque pumpkin cheesecake, which he considers heretical. oh well, drink heavily and make your own damn pie (apparently)

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packer132's picture

November 28, 2024 at 12:43 pm

Good comment, Bitter. He is bitching about something today and it could be that the sun isn't out. He doesn't know that 12 teams never have won a Super Bowl and Gute gets the blame for the 8 years that he wasn't the GM. I am thankful for many things today, and the Packers are just one of those.

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