Gut Reactions: Week 16 vs Arizona
Aaron's gut reactions from the Packers loss to the Cardinals
By PackerAaron
- What an absolute fucking embarrassment.
- Aaron Rodgers killed them early and then Mike McCarthy took over killing them later.
- So much hubris on the top end of this team.
- TJ Lang yelling at Rodgers after another wasted throw to Adams might be the image of the season.
- Have at it in the comments section.
- There isn't enough alcohol in the world right now.
- Go Pack.
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Comments (300)
NashvilleCheesehead
December 27, 2015 at 06:53 pm
Two words.... Regime change.
Nerd
December 27, 2015 at 06:57 pm
Is the problem Aaron rebelling against Mike? Or has Mike just suddenly become less competent than usual?
The issue with Lang could be interpreted as Lang trying to get Aaron to conform to the game plan/play that has been called. Or, maybe he was just getting down on Davante.
Clearly there is dissention between QB and coach. I tend to come down on the side of the coach. Mike's not perfect, but he's not THIS bad.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 07:06 pm
Rodgers is frustrated for one reason. No WR is helpingh him. They can't get open, they can't catch the ball. Hell Rodgers is the only one among the passing attack that seems to be trying. Adams is a disaster, Abbrederis dropped one, R. Rodgers can catch but can't run or break a tackle.
OL does nothing for him. Granted backup OT's but they were turnstiles. No help there.
Rodgers tries to throw into coverage to make a play and Jones watches the DB get an INT. Little effort by someone in the passing game and someone makes a play of any sort and both are happy.
Bunch of conspiracy theory crap is all your trying to stir up.
Nerd
December 27, 2015 at 07:06 pm
Aaron hasn't exactly been on target this year.
Are you saying that Tom Clements was a good play caller?
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 08:37 pm
How can he be on target? Adams runs terrible routes and can't catch a cold. Jones he trusts, maybe too much, but no choice. Abbrederis drops a sure 1st down.
At least I can rest comfortably in the knowledge Thompson will not make a fatal mistake and over react to one season gone awry (even tho they are in the playoffs).
When did I say a thing about Clements?
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 07:13 pm
That throw to Jones in the endzone was a HORRIBLE throw. Rodgers has to put that out in front of the WR to the corner of the endzone, where the WR can go get it with his step ahead of the defender... Instead, he threw it so the defender was in between the point of release and the intended receiver.
Yes, the WR's haven't helped Rodgers at all this year. Yes, Aaron Rodgers is playing sub-par football right now. He IS off.
Idiot Fan
December 27, 2015 at 07:26 pm
Absolutely. Third and four, receiver runs an out and is open, Rodgers sails it four feet over his head. He NEVER used to do that.
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 07:36 pm
Exactly. I remember that play and was thinking he never has done that. Has to be an imposter.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 09:52 pm
Yeah it was a bad decision. Don't totally disagree. But how many earlier in the year were complaining Rodgers won't throw into coverage? So now he feels he has to do it to try to make a play and everyone is criticizing him for it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I don't think he's off, as much as I think he feels he has to try to do something and hope the WR help him out a little. And its no wonder its in Jones direction.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 08:11 pm
Can we please stop with that 'WRs are not getting open and nobody is helping Rodgers' nonsense? It simply is not true. It's a myth that is constantly repeated by announcers, even if the screen in front of their (and our) faces show open receivers. But if #12 constantly overthrows WRs, or throws behind receivers on crossing patterns and hence kills the drive, that is never mentioned. This season he is not playing as he did the last few seasons. Whether that is already natural decline, or whether something else is wrong with him, I don't know. And I am not Demovsky and will speculate, but something is wrong with the QB, and it may be time to work on that as coaches.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 08:41 pm
Why stop? Its farmore true than Rodgers can't throw accurately. Jones covered all the time. Adams? Yeah he can't get open either. Abbrederis sometimes but then as he's gaining some playing time has a terrible drop. Cobb is getting all the attention that Jordy used to command and now he can't get open.
I watch the same games you do. Not my fault if you thing a CB in the WR hip pocket is open. He's not.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 08:56 pm
Sure. Except for if you throw the ball behind the WR so that he has no chance to make the play and then complain, then he is not open. If you throw it in his front so that he can either catch it, or nobody will, then he is open in the NFL. Plain and simple. Rodgers is not throwing accurately this season. Or is a 57% accuracy percentage since game 6 accurate? Heck, even Cutler has a higher one.
And it is asinine by announcers to say 'no WRs are open and they cannot get open', and the replay right at that time shows Cobb and nobody within 5 yards, or shows a throw that is 8 yards over the head of the WR. For a couple of the offside penalties, if Rodgers throws to the right guy it'd have been touchdowns. But he simply threw those up into no-mans land.
You know, he likes to call out young players for too many video games, and likes to take thinly veiled shots at McC etc, but every time I open my laptop and get re-directed out of my email account to yahoo.com, I am seeing a new video he has put together with his girl-friend, or that he has taken up sword-fighting with her, etc. Great for him, but I am not sure that is the best preparation for a professional athlete during the season. Whether that has something to do with his recent struggles, or whether there are other reasons, I don't know and I do not want to speculate, as I am not McGinn or Demovsky, but he has not played very well this season, and that is a fact. And if one plays the most important position on O, and is paid like a superstar, then he better starts playing like one.
croatpackfan
December 28, 2015 at 03:24 am
Thank you Packer Pete. I made that claim about Aaron twice here and was attacked from many fans. I have to say that Packers OL did not play well (anyone missing David Bakhtiari? You now, that player who is just bust on the LT? Bust by many of "experts" here!) and that there I see no QB who will play much better than Aaron in the last game, but when he has the chance he is underthrowing or overthrowing or his passes is to far away from WR or they are behind them. There was few throws on the right target. One of them is that throw to Adams for TD. We saw at least 5 to 6 occasions were James Jones was overrun CB, but throw is out of bounds or way overthrown, or, in the end zone underthrown for pick! Somebody mention that Abby dropped one pass (catch another!), but there was no drop from Abby. That was ball thrown to much in front of him. The ball was not on target.
Do I think Scott would play better? I do not think so! But it can help to calm down Aaron, to gave him a chance to come together. It is no relevance who is losing games, when you are losing.
Also that concussion issue from Denver game - hey people! Do not say
impossible things. Concussion would heal in 2 to 3 week mostly. If not it would be just more severe. That would be something that can't be overlooked. But, possibility that hits starts to go into the Aaron head? That is something I would consider as possibility!
I still believe in this team. They need one f*cking game to put together to turn the page and become again well balanced team.
I thought Nate Palmer will be OK in ILB, but after yesterday I can say that he does not understand logic of the game.
Eddie played injured (ribs - you might saw him covering his ribs with his hand several times) with the worst injury for the running back.
Crockett did not show much, but with the OL Packers had yesterday neither could.
I think James Starks is done. After this season he will be left to go... And I'm not sure that all those fumbles should be accounted just to him. I see that fumbles as result of trying to do way to much!
Anyhow, I believe Packers may surprise us as at so many times in their seasons...
But Aaron is problem. Definitely! To be honest is the best problem we might have. It is just one player, who we know how excellent he can be!
D.D.Driver
December 27, 2015 at 11:08 pm
Agreed. How many times have we heard the announcer say "nobody is open!" And they show the replay and two wideouts are waving their hands over their heads because they are *wide open*?
Something is wrong with Rodgers and it isn't just his wide outs. The optimist in me likes to think if Rodgers gets his head on straight, the Packers can still turn this season around.
NickPerry
December 28, 2015 at 07:17 am
@Packers_Pete... Rodgers has gone too Hollywood. Spending to much time with Olivia, making commercials, taking pictures for Twitter and IG. Obviously I don't believe that COMPLETELY, but I'd bet it has something to do with it. When you hear over and over and over that you're the best, maybe the best to play the position EVER, working on his craft might take a backseat. Whatever it is I hope he fixes it by next season because this season is going to be over in 2 weeks, at least that's my guess. MAN that SUCKS!
jyros
December 29, 2015 at 02:41 pm
Obi wan kenobi is outta touch with the force.
FrozenTundra
December 27, 2015 at 08:17 pm
It's hard to make a good throw when you're on your back with your helment knocked off.
Nerd
December 27, 2015 at 08:43 pm
Maybe he should try to get the ball out in under 8 seconds. I mean, you've got Barclay defending your blind side.
You're either going to give up 9 sacks, or you're going to draw a dozen holding penalties. Oops! We did both today.
dschwalm
December 29, 2015 at 02:30 pm
Yes he is, Nerd because he just simply can't adjust enough to give his players an opportunity to win. The cardinals game was a graphic illustration of this, and yes, I do think there is a disconnect between MM and TT!!!
Idiot Fan
December 27, 2015 at 07:11 pm
I understand the emotion behind this, but let's not be ridiculous. This regime has 7 straight playoff appearances, one SuperBowl, and led the league in points LAST YEAR. Firing them after being 10-5 but not as good as we would like is the path that bad organizations take to constant, repeated failure.
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 07:13 pm
This. Right here. All day long.
newrulz1951
December 27, 2015 at 07:16 pm
The Packers have 1 title to show for McCarthy's tenure. His teams have underachieved, every year except 1. Division titles are meaningless.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 08:49 pm
You can have an opinion, doesn't mean much. At least I can rest comfortably in the knowledge Thompson wont make the fatal mistake of firing a very good HC.
Holmgren had one SB and alot of division titles, but people act like he's the chosen one.
Last I checked, winning division titles is the surest way to get into the SB tournament. So I don't consider them meaningless in the least. If you lived thru the 70's and 80's you might have a little better prespective.
D.D.Driver
December 28, 2015 at 09:07 am
"The Packers have 1 title to show for McCarthy's tenure."
There is only ONE TEAM that has won multiple championships while McCarthy has been coach. (It's not the Patriots by the way.)
Here's my theory. You may want to sit down for this because its a Bruce-Willis-Was-Dead-The-Whole-Time style doozy: winning the Super Bowl is really freaking hard.
The entire system is designed to make sure good teams get bad and bad teams get good. Weird shit happens. One crazy helmet-catch or fluke on sides kick recovery, and your season is over.
NickPerry
December 28, 2015 at 07:23 am
I wouldn't say meaningless, but when you go one and done as often as McCarthy has and if the Packers do the same this year, then I'd say they've underachieved. If they go one and done this year that would make 4. In 2012 they played the Joe Webb lead Vikings and then were demolished in SF so can you even count that? Take away the 2010 season and MM Playoff record Sucks. Many coaches have been fired sooner, especially if you have a QB like Rodgers.
Oppy
December 28, 2015 at 09:43 pm
Take away my Grandpa's wiener and he'd be my Grandma.
Also, please name the many coaches that have been fired sooner (for similar performance), and then, please indulge my curiosity as to how those many franchises who had similar results as the Packers under MM but fired their HC anyways- how did their franchises fair after canning the head coaches over the same duration of time that MM has been at the helm for GB?
I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing the Packers have done better.
barutanseijin
December 28, 2015 at 10:07 am
Remember when Doug Collins coached the Jordan era Bulls? They'd have a winning record and go to the playoffs every year. When they canned Collins I thought, wow, harsh. But it was absolutely the right move.
AZPack
December 28, 2015 at 10:37 pm
Different sport. In the NBA, the players run the asylum and the HC placate the franchise player. Complete apples to oranges comparison.
But if you want to try to extend that comparison, how bout the Spurs. Franchise player in Duncan and they've had the HC since "96. That seems to be the best comparison since SA actually plays team basketball, not one on one on one on one...
I suppose you think they should have fired Popovich when he went 7 yrs w/o another title?
hybridauth_Facebook_539783066
December 27, 2015 at 09:04 pm
Dude get real.
Amanofthenorth
December 27, 2015 at 10:40 pm
I'd say that too if I were a lions, bears or Viking's fan. Regime change is what losing teams do.
Nerd
December 27, 2015 at 06:54 pm
They used to only do this for 2 quarters out of every game and I would complain about that. Everyone said it was ok, because they would still usually win.
This is why it's not ok to play like that, even if you win.
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 07:02 pm
it looked like Lang mouthed something to the effect of "Why did you throw it to HIM?" but I'm no expert lip reader.
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 07:14 pm
Whoops, thought I replied to your comment above.
Phillthy
December 28, 2015 at 04:33 am
It did look like he asked him why Aaron threw at Davante but I'm assuming it was probably a designed run and Rodgers opted out. Looked that way to me.
hybridauth_Facebook_539783066
December 28, 2015 at 07:55 am
Guys this is all my fault. I forgot to drink outta my lucky packers mug yesterday.
Idiot Fan
December 27, 2015 at 06:55 pm
This is the worst I've ever seen Rodgers play. I really have no idea what's happened to him this year. Also, the oline came out of camp banged up, and they've only gone downhill from there. Personally, I think those two things are killing us more than the receivers. Though the receivers are doing their share too.
NashvilleCheesehead
December 27, 2015 at 06:56 pm
They were actually open more this week. Bit he only looked to Jones.
bjkdad44
December 28, 2015 at 12:06 am
That's the best explanation I've seen...
bjkdad44
December 28, 2015 at 12:06 am
That's the best explanation I've seen...
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 06:58 pm
Would it be crazy to think Rodgers has been concussed since the Broncos game?
Like, how else can you explain his play as of late?
Not only do people question his play but his demeanor during the game as well.
Nerd
December 27, 2015 at 06:59 pm
What it seems to me is that, Aaron is disrespecting Mike and not following the game plan or "getting with the program."
When Mike named Tom as play caller, it seemed to me that Mike was caving into Aaron, as Tom is Aaron's yesman. Well, that didn't work out too well. But it seems that Aaron may still want the keys to the franchise.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:08 pm
I don't know enough to comment on that. But something extra has to be going on behind closed doors.
I just finished watching the presser and it was the same ol same ol from McCarthy and Rodgers. I don't know if I have any more criticism left in me for this team that hasn't been said a thousand times already.
Razer
December 27, 2015 at 07:35 pm
Can't seem to find the post game press conference on Packers.com. Are they too embarrassed to even speak to us or does MM want to keep the negativity to a minimum?
Where did you find it?
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:43 pm
I watched it live on the Pack's website. They might not have uploaded it to their site yet.
JerseyAl
December 27, 2015 at 09:43 pm
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/McCarthy-Most-important-thing...
AngryPackersFan
December 27, 2015 at 08:02 pm
I keep thinking the same thing. I'm positive he had a concussion tonight, whether or not they acknowledge it. Did you see his head hit Bulaga's (I think it was Bulaga) knee? Or his head crashing into the ground on some of those sacks? Or some of the hits to the head. GUARANTEE Rodgers has a concussion right now.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 08:05 pm
You're talking about the Broncos game, right?
If so, hell yea. The hit itself didn't look bad at all, but Rodgers stayed down for a while wincing.
Thegreatreynoldo
December 28, 2015 at 03:48 am
Not sure, but I remember AR getting sacked and hitting his head on a OL's knee against AZ. Be that as it may, I certainly have no idea whether AR has or had a concussion, and given the protocols, though they are not infallible, have to assume that he does not. Looked okay to my inexpert eyes during his presser.
Dilahk Sivad
December 27, 2015 at 06:56 pm
Good for Lang.. Somebody needs to yell at Rodgers.. have no idea what he's doing this year.. It's like he's completely lost sometimes.. On to the Vikings *sips jack*
Nerd
December 27, 2015 at 07:02 pm
It seems to be that Aaron thinks he knows better than Mike what the team should be doing. It also seems that Aaron is intent on doing his own thing, rather than doing what the coach tells him to do.
For example, the comments by Lang could be interpreted that Aaron is not running the plays that are being called.
It also seemed to me that Mike tried to pull Aaron out of the game. Tolzien started warming up, but then Aaron went back out there for another drive or two. What's up with that? Is Aaron defying Mike's authority? Is that why this team looks as if it's in disarray?
Samson
December 27, 2015 at 07:07 pm
AR needs to focus strictly on playing QB. --- Right now he seems to want to be QB, HC, WR's coach and game official - referee.
And I thought BF was out of control way back when.
MarkinMadison
December 27, 2015 at 07:16 pm
When he has his own locker room and has lost touch with his teammates, then he'll be in BF land.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:26 pm
I'm just curious guys, so don't get bitchy with me when I ask this --
Where are you getting these ideas of Rodgers wanting to be above McCarthy and becoming insubordinate?
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 10:04 pm
Yeah I don't get that either. So Rodgers is frustrated, and McCarthy is frustrated. So I guess automatically they are frustrated w/ each other? Don't see that at all.
dschwalm
December 29, 2015 at 02:38 pm
Wow, Samson, You're making huge assumptions when you have no clear evidence
jbromusic
December 27, 2015 at 06:57 pm
i've never been a "fire ted thompson" guy but i'm beginning to think that it might be time for a GM change. i still think mccarthy is a very good (not great, but very good) coach. i don't think we have very good talent on this team right now
NashvilleCheesehead
December 27, 2015 at 07:01 pm
Regime change
jbromusic
December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm
who would you get to replace mccarthy?
NashvilleCheesehead
December 27, 2015 at 07:08 pm
There will be a nice pool of candidates soon. Coaches/leaders get stale. Fresh start. Now.
NashvilleCheesehead
December 27, 2015 at 07:09 pm
BTW. I've been an MM fan up until this year. Tine for a change.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 07:12 pm
Dellusional if you think that retreads that have already failed are better than McCarthy. They would get much worse almost w/o a question.
Samson
December 27, 2015 at 07:15 pm
Once again --- Stroh's got it all figured out. --- Many retreads have been a success the 2nd or even 3rd time around.
jeremyjjbrown
December 27, 2015 at 07:38 pm
Yeah, like Ariens and his group of retreads, not that they don't have a lot more talent at hand and a GM who plays the whole field to get it.
NashvilleCheesehead
December 27, 2015 at 07:46 pm
Or a young guy ready to step up??
chugwater
December 28, 2015 at 09:10 am
We can all cherry pick a Bill Belichek or Pete Carroll as an example of successful second acts. But for every one of those there's a dozen Rich Kotites or Jim Caldwells.
First it was MM needs to take back play calling. Well that didn't quite fix our issues. Next we have to trade for Vernon Davis. A quick look at his production at DEN shows he wasn't the answer either. Now it's get rid of the coaching staff/GM. What will your next solution be when that doesn't work?
We are a spoiled, impatient fan base.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 10:08 pm
Didn't say I have it all figured out. But I'm certainly not ready to scrap a damn good thing either.
So the got beat, clean, fair square no questions in 2 games this year. Denver and AZ, I guess we should throw in the towel and start over.
Screw that. If you wanna go way overboard w/ that reaction thats up to you. This time last year, the offense was #1 in the NFL and they lost a major piece to an injury.
some_guy
December 29, 2015 at 02:37 pm
Not sure what stat sheet you're looking at but we've actually lost 5 games. Or is this more of that "well see but some of those losses don't count because they were on the last play of the game" complacency that they announcers were telling us MM has been spreading? If you want to play that game, then with SD and the 2nd DET game, we're a couple plays from being 8-7. That's without even getting into the other games where we won despite playing like shit (ie. Carr gifting us 14 points against Oakland).
I'm not a fan of making change just for its own sake. I think if we get rid of MM, whoever we get next will almost certainly not be as good. But if MM is going around the building telling his players that everything's fine and close losses don't count, that's different. Doesn't matter how good he *could* be if he's going around telling his players that some games are ok to lose.
barutanseijin
December 27, 2015 at 07:29 pm
NE made a really dumb hire with Belichick after he racked up all those losses in Cleveland. Just another retread.
kildahljb
December 27, 2015 at 07:46 pm
Josh McDaniels. He commands Brady's respect. Would bring a completely different system for 12 to learn. He sounds like he's learned from his time in Denver.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 08:17 pm
Actually, all Belichick coaches have been colossal disasters as HCs everywhere. Charlie Weis? Romeo Crennel? Remember 'Mangenius' Eric Mangini? McDaniels... The list goes on. Maybe McDaniels has learned. Maybe not. How long are you willing to give him a chance? By the time McDaniels is done #12s career will be over, probably no other title to show for it, and the team will then be in 'rebuilding' mode.
No, this team is now in the playoffs for 7 years in a row. Not many other teams can show that...
tm_inter
December 27, 2015 at 09:27 pm
Josh McDaniels flunked as headcoach in Denver. Wouldn't want him to replace MM as headcoach - maybe as play-caller if he would come to Green Bay.
Packisback988
December 27, 2015 at 07:48 pm
As Belichick would say, the players are the ones who play the game, but curious to see how Belichick would of done without Brady.
Since'61
December 27, 2015 at 09:04 pm
We already know that Belichick is a below .500 coach before Tom Brady, so I think we have the answer to that question. Thanks, Since '61
badaxed
December 27, 2015 at 07:25 pm
Gruden
jbromusic
December 27, 2015 at 09:15 pm
i didn't know gruden was still coaching in the nfl
dschwalm
December 29, 2015 at 02:39 pm
What a dumb question. Do you actually know who all the available candidates there are?
Mags
December 27, 2015 at 07:56 pm
On the post game interview with Larry McCarren, McCarthy mentioned "basic fundamentals " again this guy is delusional.
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 09:32 pm
What if it's truly a situation where the players aren't playing the correct techniques and fundamentals of the game, what if the players really are just playing sloppy football on gameday?
Would you be happier if MM lied and said it was something else?
Mags
December 28, 2015 at 02:09 am
It's the fuckin end of the season they shouldn't be talking about fundamentals. And if McCarthy truly believes that's the case then that's on him and his assistant coaches. Fundamentals is something that should be taken care of in training camp not now. Same old excuses!
Tundraboy
December 28, 2015 at 11:59 am
Me too. How can he use that excuse at this stage. It's not preseason. Just once I wish he simply said we stunk today.
Oppy
December 28, 2015 at 01:35 pm
He did say they stunk, and he did say the buck stops with him.
It's not an excuse if it is a matter of fact.
Tundraboy
December 28, 2015 at 03:38 pm
Good. That's refreshing
Oppy
December 28, 2015 at 09:46 pm
MM takes responsibility a surprisingly high percentage of the time after poor outings for a guy that everyone seems to swear doesn't take any responsibility.
It's crazy what comes out of that man's mouth if you listen to him.
WKUPackFan
December 29, 2015 at 06:52 am
100% incorrect. Fundamentals are practiced and talked about (by good coaches) throughout the season in all sports at all levels. Bill Buckner probably wishes that the bottom of his glove was the dirtiest part of his uniform.
dschwalm
December 29, 2015 at 02:42 pm
That's just media speak. MM doesn't know what else to say or how to account for this debacle that is the 2015 season. He is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Bearmeat
December 27, 2015 at 06:57 pm
Lol. I started rooting for the Cards to score at 24-0. If this team can beat Minny I'll be shocked.
I strongly suspected we'd lose by more than 10 points, but this was WAAAAY worse than I expected.
TT/MM/AR aren't going anywhere and they shouldn't with all they've achieved in the past 10 years. But this team is not capable of winning it all. Some pretty serious changes are needed.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 07:08 pm
They already did... On the road in Minn no less. But I guess you forgot that?!
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 07:39 pm
Packers are a shell of that team right now.
chugwater
December 28, 2015 at 09:13 am
Not really. They were sputtering going into that game too.
dschwalm
December 29, 2015 at 02:44 pm
Just keep sticking your head and intellect up your a*#, but that is waaaay in the past.
jeremyjjbrown
December 27, 2015 at 07:11 pm
They can start with changing the responsibilities of Alex Van Pelt. I don't know what his role should be or if he should even have a role. I just know that the combo QB/WR coaching arrangement is an epic fail.
Packisback988
December 27, 2015 at 07:52 pm
I agree, I highly doubt Van Pelt is doing a great job coaching up the WR group in practice .
tm_inter
December 27, 2015 at 09:34 pm
Joe Philbin did good job for offense before he went to Miami. I would say rehire him to run the Packers' offense again.
jyros
December 27, 2015 at 11:10 pm
Agreed! QB/WR keeps cropping up as the problem.
MM jumped the gun w/ his consolidation plans.
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 06:58 pm
Meaningless game.
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 07:51 pm
Meaningful game. The Packers played their hearts out and got pummeled. This happens from time to time. No need to panic. They just need to make a few adjustments on offense, and they can run the board.
cuphound
December 27, 2015 at 08:41 pm
You have a more generous interpretation of the commitment of the Packers Offense. In my view, they never had their head in this game.
ray nichkee
December 27, 2015 at 09:42 pm
Maynard picasso is cow trumps, another member of al cow da. Just so you know. A multi headed troll. Hes here to stroke you.
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 06:59 pm
The Packers will roll over the Vikings and claim the North Title. Go Pack Go. And stop your whining and bitching you so-called fans.
Nerd
December 27, 2015 at 07:03 pm
Real fans follower their team passionately and care about how well it performs.
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 07:54 pm
Real fans are only positive and realize it's only a game. Are you calling my passion into question? Maybe you have a misguided passion that shows too much negativity. Maybe our team will rise to the occasion next week. We are blessed to have a winning franchise.
calabasa
December 27, 2015 at 08:14 pm
"Real fans are only positive?"
Fans are people. Real ones who are also occasionally smart and see their favorite team has been chronically underachieving for months. I'm sure you love the Packers as we all do, but it's OK if some of us want more from ARod's tenure than division titles.
croatpackfan
December 28, 2015 at 04:56 am
It is one thing to be realistic about team performing... Another thing is to be jerk who constantly or occasionally wants team to go in rebuilding mode for no reason. To call for changes that have no sense. I suppose those fans are talking about changing of Dom Capers. Look, there is one person who was D coordinator for Cowboys and Saints. Younger Ryan. I'm "certain" he will do better than Dom Capers~!
And who you will want for HC job? I agree that there is a lot of young possible HC, but what if that young fellows will be not good. Another one in the next season? How many seasons you'll accept for finding another great HC for Packers. Will that be considered as "wasted years" for Aaron Rodgers? Or not?
So, fans very often cure their own problems over the team. If you want good for that kind of fans, I suggest to start telling them the truth: Packers winning will not solve their problems, neither Packers losing is the cause of their problems!"
Samson
December 27, 2015 at 07:04 pm
Another North title against the likes of the Bears, Lions & Vikings. -- Oh, boy !!!
Lombardi Trophy s are the only thing that counts.
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 07:55 pm
Two of those teams beat us convincingly. Remember that anything can happen on "Any Given Sunday".
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 08:19 pm
so you only watch the SB then every season? As the rest is meaningless according to you...
some_guy
December 29, 2015 at 02:46 pm
Yeah sure man if you don't blindly insist that everything is perfect and our team is the best, always, no matter what, you can't be a real fan. *makes sarcastic jacking-off motion*
dschwalm
December 29, 2015 at 02:47 pm
Do you promise to show your face next week after that statement, Tyler?
RCPackerFan
December 27, 2015 at 07:00 pm
Ugly...
What was that???
Ugly, ugly, ugly...
The positive... Our long snapper didn't make a mistake...
Samson
December 27, 2015 at 07:01 pm
Another quality opponent. -- Another dismal showing.
This shouldn't be as surprise to anyone.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:01 pm
"TJ Lang yelling at Rodgers after another wasted throw to Adams might be the image of the season."
YES!!!!! There's our T.O.! I always did like Lang. He is never PC and isn't afraid to speak out. I LOVE IT!
jeremyjjbrown
December 27, 2015 at 07:13 pm
Can Lang yell at McCarthy "Why did you put Adams on the field?"
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:19 pm
Lol, No, you don't show up the Head Coach, man. Ever.
The criticism can only be player-to-player. Why? Because no Offensive player has been consistent this season.
jeremyjjbrown
December 27, 2015 at 07:40 pm
Of course he can't, but Adams is the King of all players who need to be benched for a spell.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:45 pm
I think that call would have to come from Rodgers. Like I heard one of the commentators say about Abby; Rodgers likes him, so his snaps are increasing.
We've seen many posts saying Rodgers doesn't like Janis and we're still wondering when he's going to see snaps.
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 10:25 pm
No doubt. I knew it was a very bad sign that he played today from the start.
FITZCORE1252
December 27, 2015 at 07:01 pm
Fuck.
Bearmeat
December 27, 2015 at 07:04 pm
Gotta laugh it off dude.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:09 pm
Yep.
Laugh to keep from crying.
FITZCORE1252
December 27, 2015 at 07:21 pm
I was prepared to lose the game, it's just being totally outclassed that pisses me off.
We need to draft a tackle in every round. 8 picks? Draft 8 tackles. Ours either suck or they're always hurt.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:33 pm
Every season is different though. We were awesome in the O-Line area last season. I think TT's plan is backfiring just a little bit when it comes to ILB and the D-Line. But then again, there's only so many picks. TT seemed to hit it big with the first two picks.
I don't even want to talk about next year's draft until this season is over. Gotta fight to the end.
Idiot Fan
December 27, 2015 at 08:07 pm
I actually think the Dline has had stretches of really good play this year. ILB has definitely been a problem.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 08:24 pm
I agree. But I was speaking more from a depth perspective @IF
Just imagine if #76 missed some time.
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 10:29 pm
That would spell disaster.
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 07:56 pm
That kind of language is uncalled for. Go Pack Go!
FITZCORE1252
December 27, 2015 at 09:08 pm
Fuck off.
EdsLaces
December 27, 2015 at 07:04 pm
So are we allowed to talk about this team not being very good now? Or are people gonna get all pissy again?
Bearmeat
December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm
They're not very good. Average on defense and special teams. Dismal on offense.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:11 pm
Well,you shouldn't have anything to add if you already thought this would happen, right?
Was that pissy of me?
Bearmeat
December 27, 2015 at 07:25 pm
Yes it was. :)
EdsLaces
December 27, 2015 at 07:53 pm
Well people saying that we would lose this game is not being a packers fan is so stupid. It's called being a realist. Looking at the match up....pretending you aren't a packers fan...and picking who yiu thunk would win. I didn't think we would win, but I did not see this arse whooping coming. Either the Cards are about to win it all, the packers are one n done ...or both.
EdsLaces
December 27, 2015 at 07:54 pm
You think*
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 08:02 pm
@Ed
Well, that wasn't me. That was someone else.
What I agree with is the statement that person made of "never doubting my team". No matter how the Pack looks or has looked I'm going into each week expecting a win. Hell, it was hard for me to NOT predict 16-0 before the season. I ended up predicting 14-2 with back to back losses to the Broncos and Panthers.
Again, I don't think I'm a bigger fan than anyone else. But me disagreeing with another Cheesehead thinking the Pack will lose shouldn't be looked at as stupid or me being a "real fan".
EdsLaces
December 27, 2015 at 10:18 pm
We all want to win (minus cow) but tgis just isn't the team of years past. It's not just jordy. AR is flat out missing throws. I wouldn't be surprised if it came out later that he had been playing with an injury. I'm optimistic about the playoffs but at some point we have to realize that every week we are all a broken record. This needs to happen that needs to happen to fix the offense, problem is it never does. We played well against the cowboys,but they suck. And even that was pretty much all ground game. Our defense has played well like I said pre game we needed 37 for this game big time and we definitely did. Our young guys got exposed. I love the packers. My son is named after Cm3 and I have a freakin Packers Tattoo, but we are the worst 10 win team I have possibly ever seen. All that said I wasn't trying to be an A$$ to anyone I guess I'm just disappointed w this season as a whole.
croatpackfan
December 28, 2015 at 05:15 am
Eds, it is not who expect what, win or lose. It is about how you expect lose or win when you expected. I'm more on that expecting win (miracle guy ;) type), but I'm also aware that Packers are not playing well on offensive side of the ball. But that is not news. Packers lost every game in the last 3 years where Packers offense sucks. It was not that often in the past, so we thought it is OK. But there is many signs where you were able to saw offensive decline. And claiming that our D is just average. I do not buy it. They are playing very good to excellent. It is just the question in what position offense putting them. From 38 points of Cardinals, Packer D allowed just 17. And those 17 was somewhat the product of bad, bad offensive play. Offense just gave 21 points on 3 fumbles. I want us to be realistic. We can not expect only D to win the games for Packers. O must do something. Special team was very good. That is on what I found foundations of my belief in this team...
When you expect to lose and spit on players, coaches and more or less whole organization, I say go and cheer for another team. It is the line you should never cross iof you are supporting someone. You may ask them to be better, but you are not allowed to spit on them. With that, you are talking more on yourself than of team you are "supporting"!
Thegreatreynoldo
December 28, 2015 at 04:01 am
IMHO, one qualifies as a fan if they care and support the team. Simple as that. One can expect to win or expect to lose: it doesn't matter which, as long as one roots for the team's success. I expected to lose fairly often in the 1970s and 1980s, but hopes springs eternal in preseason. Every regular poster (except some trolls who support other teams) is almost certainly a fan of the Green Bay Packers. My $.02.
WKUPackFan
December 29, 2015 at 06:56 am
Don't dare mention the 70s and 80s. The bovine will certainly object.
Razer
December 27, 2015 at 07:38 pm
Please don't say anything negative about this team and their 7 straight playoff appearances. Lord knows that we are young, talented and well coached. Everyone knows this other than our opponents.
Total embarrassment.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 09:06 pm
One can surely be critical. On the other hand, every single year I keep hearing how good the Lions are, how good the Vikings are, how much talent they have accumulated, and how this will be their year. And every year it's not...
I also remember people saying before this season that the Packers hadn't closed the gap between the Seahawks and Dallas - well both are behind the Packers right now, and both have been beaten by the Packers.
The NFL is an up-and-down league from year to year. It is very hard to even make the playoffs. But the Packers did it 7 times in a row. Who else can actually claim that? And it's great to have love fests for some teams, but more often than not those teams show up for a couple of seasons and then disappear to where they came from. In the modern salary cap era. remember the 49ers in the 2000s? Pathetic for years, then 3 good years where they managed to not win the SB, and now they are pathetic again.
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 07:57 pm
No we cannot. This team is 10-5 and going to the post season. That's reason enough to be positive.
GVPacker
December 27, 2015 at 08:13 pm
Of course you can, just keep it warm and fuzzy!
ray nichkee
December 27, 2015 at 07:04 pm
Does any body want to rip on the starting tackles anymore? Cut adumbs tomorrow. That spike and that missed touchdown are not excusable.barclay should have been on the left and where was the protection in the backfield?
Seahawks, panthers, and pacheats lost. Go Gmen.
jeremyjjbrown
December 27, 2015 at 07:15 pm
What that guy has to do to land on the bench for a quarter I have no idea.
packersfan87
December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm
lol at least packers are in the playoffs but i dont know if they can make it all the way also why dote corners give them so much space and why keep trusting devante
packersfan87
December 27, 2015 at 07:36 pm
why do* the*
ollie418
December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm
This team is just not very good. Plain and simple.
Was expecting to get blown out so there is no emotional upset here!
jbromusic
December 27, 2015 at 07:08 pm
i knew we were going to lose. i just didn't see an all-out ass whooping coupled with an all-out implosion. that was ugly and flat out embarrassing
hybridauth_Facebook_539783066
December 27, 2015 at 08:12 pm
Agreed
hybridauth_Facebook_539783066
December 27, 2015 at 08:12 pm
Agreed
Nerd
December 27, 2015 at 07:05 pm
I stated on my blog, that I wasn't concerned with whether or now we would WIN this game. I was concerned that we would SHOW UP. I wanted this team to show that they were getting ready for the playoffs.
That's why I'm disappointed.
barutanseijin
December 27, 2015 at 07:17 pm
What's your blog, Nerd?
Nerd
December 27, 2015 at 07:43 pm
statwhore DOT wordpress DOT com
;)
Razer
December 27, 2015 at 07:29 pm
Well said. Says a lot about the guts of this team. Says a lot about the leadership of the team when the same mistake ridden football keeps showing up week after week. Very disappointing.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 09:10 pm
yet they won 10 games in the last 16 weeks. What does that say about teams like the Seahawks, or Dallas, or pretty much everyone else in the NFC besides the Panthers or the Cardinals? I mention the Cowboys since I heard before the season that they are the best team in the NFC hands down. Well turns out they are the worst. And it doesn't have that much to do with Romo getting hurt. They played pathetic even with him.
Razer
December 28, 2015 at 06:54 am
I don't care about the Cowboys or the Seahawks or how the other teams got to their records. We are NOT playing good football and we haven't played good ball for 2 months. Defend this team as much as you want but we are going backwards not forwards.
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 07:43 pm
Yes sir.
hybridauth_Facebook_539783066
December 27, 2015 at 07:06 pm
Nobody better tell me to be all positive and happy clappy this week. I'll be proud of them for winning the division if they somehow can, but how can you reasonably have an optimistic outlook on this team right now?
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 08:01 pm
Oh geez. Doom and gloom. We gutted it out and didn't give up. We went into a venue with a red hot team keeping their record strong going into the playoffs. We just need to clean up a few things and get healthy.
jbromusic
December 27, 2015 at 09:18 pm
you are not very aware of what is happening around you
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 07:09 pm
I don't know what the problem is with the offense, but it seems likely it's too late to turn it around in any sort of permanent fashion this season.
That was a rough game for the offense. The defense played very well for the most part in the first half, considering the entire first half had the offense slowly losing the field position game. After the first half, the D was simply gassed.
Good showing for the undrafted rookie LS'er in his first pro game- it took balls to call a fake punt with a guy that green in there.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:15 pm
"but it seems likely it's too late to turn it around in any sort of permanent fashion this season."
It would seem so, right? I hope that's not the case, but man -- even when we look good it's only for so long inside of the same game.
jeremyjjbrown
December 27, 2015 at 07:47 pm
"This season"
It's going to take a lot longer. The problem with draft and develop is that when guys don't you are held at a deficit for 3+ years until you can draft ones that do.
They still haven't replaced:
Finley
Jennings
Woodson
Bishop
Clifton
And, I don't think they have anyone with the ceiling to be a Clifton, Finley, Or Collins even on the roster. How old will Rodgers be if/when they do?
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:42 pm
- Let's see what Backman can do in another season or two first.
- I still think Adams is our better Jennings. Yes, he's had a horrible season, but let's all remember his flashes during his rookie season (which was just last season).
- I do think we've replaced Woodson. Not saying they'll have a better career, but Rollins and Randall, I feel, are going to be damn good. Shields might have to watch out and Hayward is already on notice.
I agree with everyone else.
jeremyjjbrown
December 27, 2015 at 07:46 pm
Replaced is past tense, not future maybe/hopefully/sort-of.
RCPackerFan
December 27, 2015 at 08:39 pm
Backman was a 6th round pick... Not like he was a 5th or higher...
There isn't much difference between a bottom of 6th round pick and UDFA.
Also, you hated the pick, who would you have rather had?
Thegreatreynoldo
December 28, 2015 at 04:24 am
"Also, you hated the pick, who would you have rather had?"
A damned inconvenient question, RC. I could do lots of research and find some 7th rounders and UDFAs who have looked good. The honest answer is that I don't remember them all, but in rough order I liked Darryl Roberts, Ben Koyack, Ifo Ekpre-Olumu (sp?), Hayes Pullard (as a Joe Thomas kind of guy with more upside), Trent Brown, Rory Anderson better, but I don't remember which if any had injury/character issues. I don't think any of 'em have done a darn thing, but I didn't check. IIRC Roberts looked good in preseason (grain of salt right there) and went on IR before cut downs.
I had never heard of Mitchell Henry (with apologies to WKU if they are in order) but I like him better than Backman. I fully admit that I have a bit of a pet peeve about this pick.
Thegreatreynoldo
December 27, 2015 at 07:55 pm
Backman should have been an UDFA. Hated this pick. He is so raw, and not that athletically gifted. While you are giving him another season to develop (and yes, he should be given another season, I reluctantly agree) that does not mean that TT does not need to address the receiving options right freaking now - i.e. this offseason. If he relies on Backman to develop and RR to learn to block so as to be a good blocking possession TE and they do not, you are talking 2 or 3 years before a competent TE lines up for GB.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 08:22 pm
Look, I'm not saying we don't need better options. All I'm saying is give the players we drafted some time. No body was hating Adams entering the regular season. The same for R. Rodgers.
I'm oh so certain we wouldn't be talking about this if Nelson wasn't injured. So why now? We're beat up. And on top of being beat up, Rodgers hasn't been Superman this season.
Oooo! I got it! How about we tank it next season so we could have a Top pick? We'll have dibs on the best TE/ILB/WR available.
barutanseijin
December 27, 2015 at 10:20 pm
I didn't see much from Adams last year. I thought people saw what they wanted to see in him. They wanted another TT 2nd rd. success like Jennings or Nelson, so that's what they saw.. The guy wasn't any more fast, fluid, big or strong last year. I will admit he has been showing off his bad hands and football stupids more this year.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 11:00 pm
Ok, now you're letting your dislike of him from this season blind you. Adams made quite a few big plays as a rookie last season.
He showed the smooth route running similar to GJ last season
He showed the tackle breaking and jukes similar to GJ last season
He had a HUGE Playoff game at home
He stood out against the Patriots
He stood out against the Dolphins
He stood out against the Saints
He stood out against the Jets
barutanseijin
December 27, 2015 at 11:15 pm
I disagree. Jennings was impressive as a rookie. The body control, the smoothness, the ability to change direction were all there. You had to be generous to see anything of the sort in Adams last year.
Oppy
December 28, 2015 at 09:49 pm
Pats and Cowboys.
No generosity needed in either of those games. He kinda took them over.
Thegreatreynoldo
December 28, 2015 at 04:43 am
"Let's see what Backman can do in another season or two first."
I am fine with giving Backman and really almost every drafted player a year to develop. I objected to the word 'first' since I inferred that you were suggesting taking no remedial action for at least another year. If that is not what you meant to imply, then I retract my criticism.
BTW, I wrote during the last off season that Adams does everything well except get open. I did not think he could be a viable #3 option much less a #2 option. I took lots of dislikes, especially when AR was saying how great he looked. Specifically, during the televised open practice when Adams made that great one-handed catch, I commented that the catch was great, but he was not in fact open. Got hammered, indeed ridiculed, for that. It is all good though - I've been wrong plenty of times. I loved the Bradford, Rollins and Ryan picks. At present, Bradford looks bad, Ryan so-so, and Rollins pretty good. Still think GB has enough talent to beat anyone, but it would help if the OL got healthy.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 08:26 pm
I almost agree with everything you say. Except for Woodson. While Rollins and Randall are good, I don't think that they'll ever be as good as Woodson. We haven't replaced Woodson at all.
I would also like to add that we have already replaced Finley. Easily. After all, what besides 'potential' could one every attribute to Finley? He showed potential but that was all. In critical moments, he dropped balls. He didn't fight for most balls. He should have been in the class of a Gronk just from the physical potential, but he never mastered the game mentally. He was an unfulfilled promise who never truly delivered. And if one is honest, once he was out, Quarless played and he did play better than Finley during the SB run. And the team won the SB without Finley. Maybe because Finley was out...
Yet every time I read the blog, someone brings up Finley as if he was the greatest TE to ever play the game...
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 08:37 pm
Well, in Finley's defense, it wasn't so much what he did number wise, but what he forced Defenses to do schematically.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 09:15 pm
agreed. But everybody jumped on the Finley bandwagon, even opposing coaches. And not for a good reason. Everyone feared his potential. His production NEVER matched the potential. IMHO he was the most overrated Packers player I have watched play. And I got sucked into the hype in the beginning too, make no mistake about it. But after seeing him drop sure first downs or TDs on a regular basis, and seeing his idiotic celebrations after 4 yard completions, I simply got fed up. And I still maintain, besides the emergence of Starks during the SB run in the post season, the other great reason for the SB win was the fact that Finley couldn't play. It forced the Packers coaches to change their game plans for the post season. And that was a good thing.
CrispyATX
December 28, 2015 at 12:49 am
Uh...I'd say Tony Mandarich was the most overhyped Packers players of all time, not to
Mention one of the NFL's biggest draft busts of all time as well.
Idiot Fan
December 27, 2015 at 09:11 pm
To be fair, Woodson is a future hall of famer and in the running for best DB of all time, so that's not the easiest thing to replace.
jeremyjjbrown
December 27, 2015 at 09:40 pm
They could have started with not cutting him. One does not have to be a transcendental talent evaluator to see he's a better safety than The Dr or McMillian.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 10:11 pm
Sure. But I was fortunate to be in CA before the last game, and saw a special on Woodson. Even the Oakland HC said the plan was to give him some mercy snaps at the beginning of the season to basically acknowledge what he had done for the Raiders and then send him off to retirement. If your own HC is genuinely surprised by the level of performance the man can put out there, after seeing him in camp, then it tells you everything. He was and still is a great player, but next week is his last game in the NFL. Too bad, yet one has to weigh the good play that is still left with the salary cap impact. And Ted had to cut him loose.
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 08:36 pm
THe "starting" players on offense at the outset of the 2015 season were the EXACT same starting players who were the #1 offense in the league the year prior, so I don't see how your argument is valid as it relates to the offense.
The defense in 2015 is actually playing far better overall than the defense of 2014, so I don't see how your argument is valid as it relates to the defense.
As far as having the ceiling to be a Finley, Finley never reached his own. There is only one or two players in the last decade who even sniff Collins, to expect the Packers to find the next Nick Collins is practically fantasy. Clifton? Well, we certainly don't have a left tackle that good, but Bulaga isn't exactly chopped liver, Bakhtiari (although I don't think he's the long term solution at LT) does fairly well for himself. Lang, Linsley/Tretter, Sitton are a top two or three interior in the league IMO.
We do need improvement at ILB. WR? despite the shitty year they are having, I think the Packers have a pretty talented WR corps.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 08:51 pm
"We do need improvement at ILB. WR? despite the shitty year they are having, I think the Packers have a pretty talented WR corps."
But we do need an X-factor that can specialize in something. A blazer or an end-zone target. We have too many similar WRs. Similar size, similar speed and similar hands.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 09:03 pm
His name is Jordy Nelson. Get the best (or one of the best) deep threats back and the offense is fine. Like Oppy said, same as the offense that was #1 in the NFL one year prior.
lou
December 28, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Here are a couple of similar examples, look at how Brady performs without "Gronk" and how well Eli Manning did last night without Beckum, both like Rogers are Super Bowl QB's.
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 11:19 pm
You nailed it. Even with Jordy we need another. Felt that way last year and with the deep draft class that year, I thought we could have done much better than Adams.
jeremyjjbrown
December 27, 2015 at 09:03 pm
Um, Jordy Nelson?
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 09:26 pm
"Lang, Linsley/Tretter, Sitton are a top two or three interior in the league IMO" - not this year. Sitton is a disappointment. Lang is dealing with injuries constantly. Linsley has regressed, and Tretter may actually be better but they won't let him play unless Linsley is injured.
The O is brutally disappointing. But as you rightly mentioned, same players. Loss of Jordy was huge. Constant injuries on OL also. But for me the biggest reason is the (comparatively) bad play of #12. I don't know the reasons and do not want to speculate. But he is not playing as well as in seasons past. yet he likes to call out other players for their insufficient preparation etc. Maybe he should worry about his own preparation and performance first and foremost. I do have to laugh about the presser after the game. #12 basically said that the team will show up once it counts. Great, but why even play if you don't want to show up when it doesn't count? I do think I am seeing a change in attitude in the starting QB from last season to this season. But that may just be me.
On the coaching side, all the shifting to Clements play calling, promoting Bennett to OC, and shifting van Pelt, I don't think those changes helped at all. Again, not going to speculate, but this O went from a top 5 O to a bottom half of the NFL O. With the same players. So someone has to look at the obvious differences.
I hope the people in charge will analyze properly and take the needed steps.
Oppy
December 28, 2015 at 09:52 pm
When you say, "Not this year", what does that mean?
Are you arguing that we should not look at the entire body of work, but make personnel decisions based on a snapshot?
If so, that doesn't seem to be good business acumen.
newrulz1951
December 27, 2015 at 07:11 pm
The Packers have played uninspired and predictable all season. They miscalculated how good they were after coming so close last year. So they gave too little attention to the offensive line. Add to that the fact that McCarthy led teams have underachieved every season, except one. He needs to be replaced. McCarthy is lost, and has no idea how to fix it. It's time for a change in leadership, and perhaps it's time to rebuild.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 09:32 pm
"Add to that the fact that McCarthy led teams have underachieved every season, except one." - wow. I am not a big fan of McC. But the man has the best W-L record of any Packers coach. In his 10th year, the teams have now made the playoffs 8 times. so far have won the SB once, been in the NFCCG two other times. Give the man a little credit.
"one of the best coaches in the league." - was a quote about him by Belichick.
bears suck forever
December 27, 2015 at 07:20 pm
I fell asllep and just woke up from a bad nightmare. How did the game go?
FrozenTundra
December 27, 2015 at 08:35 pm
I don't like the Bears either but just remember, they've won more games than any other team in the NFL. The Packers are second.
MarkinMadison
December 27, 2015 at 07:22 pm
Unwatchable.
MikeHoncho
December 27, 2015 at 07:27 pm
Aaron is more worried about selfies and posting youtube videos of him and Olivia than he is playing NFL football. We have a Matt Leinhert Jr. on our hands now. Mr. Hollywood. Maybe he will retire and become an actor.
GoldenRetriever
December 27, 2015 at 09:03 pm
Just don't mention the name "Olivia" in the game day comments. The uber-PC moderator thinks it's A-Okay to say "F*ck" as many times as you like, but don't dare suggest (even in jest) that Rodgers' girlfriend has anything to do with his head not being in the game.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 09:43 pm
look he is not playing well. But do you actually have any evidence that Olivia is the reason? We can all speculate, but Demovsky does a good job with that already. Maybe Olivia is, maybe she is not. I can't say, so I'm not going to speculate.
What concerns me more about the game day comments and articles from time to time is the love fest given to a convicted criminal and drug dealer in Johnny Jolly, and reading his comments and twitter posts shows me he has never changed, and never will. But hey, he is just going through a difficult time and if we would all give our love and support to him he would be a model human being. Someone on twitter suggested to hire him as 'morale & leadership coach'. Sickening.
WKUPackFan
December 29, 2015 at 07:01 am
Ignorant, just plain ignorant.
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 07:27 pm
Not enough alcohol is right,!!
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 08:04 pm
Alcohol is not the answer. Just be thankful you're not a Bears Vikings of Lions fan.
Gianich
December 27, 2015 at 07:28 pm
That's tough back to back west coast trips with holidays sprinkled in there. It would be tough to get 2 wins on that trip if you're playing well and healthy versus bad teams let alone playing a tough raiders team, a complete Arizona team while the O-line is all banged up. Unfortunately this is the kind of trip that occurs once the playoffs start. Gross. Litmus test failed
Pack204
December 27, 2015 at 07:31 pm
I have tried to stay patient throughout this whole season of ups and down. This is hard to watch. There is no sugar coating it, I watch a lot of football on sundays and this team is playing some of the worst football in the entire NFL at the moment. I really dont think MM and AR are on the same page something is just not right with that relationship.
RCPackerFan
December 27, 2015 at 08:43 pm
That is what I don't get. They keep running the same formations and look over and over.
A few games ago they started showing different looks and moved guys around. The last 2 games they have done neither...
Yes players have to execute, but they may execute better if you put them in better positions.
They have to be more creative...
Idiot Fan
December 27, 2015 at 09:15 pm
I'm puzzled as to what happened to the screen passes. For a couple weeks it seemed like we were doing them a lot more (and being quite successful), and then they all of a sudden stopped. Against that pass rush today, they were really needed. One got called, and they scored a TD.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 09:49 pm
What bothers me most about the O this year is the (seemingly) lack of game planning. One has to identify and attack the weaknesses of opposing Ds. And that does not seem to be happening. I don't know why. Basically, routes are run the same way all year. Even if formations are different, not many changes in route trees. Either short passes in the 2-5 yard range, or holding on to the ball trying to throw 40+ yards downfield. May work against some teams, but different Ds require different approaches...
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 11:24 pm
I just gave up that they will ever use screens consistently, especially because they work. Go figure.
CrispyATX
December 28, 2015 at 12:58 am
It's also hard to run screen passes when your entire o-line is playing on injured knees/legs/ankles/whatevers. They have to be able to run downfield and block.
badaxed
December 27, 2015 at 07:39 pm
Same mistakes, same results. So predictable to everyone. Bad offense. Not going anywhere until system change. New blood. New coaching. New gm who will bring in needed players.
Dr.Rodgers
December 27, 2015 at 07:41 pm
I gather y'all think this team is broken, in disarray, and not Super Bowl ready? They're already in the playoffs and they have their last game at home. This team has the same chance as any other team to win it all. Go Pack Go! Like Saint Vincent said: "Winning is the only thing." The real season starts in January.
Since'61
December 27, 2015 at 07:42 pm
Our offense beat themselves and lost the game. Holding penalties killed 2 drives in the first half. After AZ made it 10-0 they did not have another scoring drive without a turnover. 2 TDs were walk ins and one off of Starks fumble. I never thought that Daniels interception would turn the game in the Cardinals favor. AR forced the throw and got picked. Without that we should have gone to half no worse that 10-3, instead we go into halftime down 17-0. OL was too slow and hurt to deal with AZ pass rush. A few screens may have helped. Bottom line, our offense, especially the OL, were not competitive today. I see no reason why Adams continues to play over Abbrederis. On to the Vikings, Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 07:49 pm
"I see no reason why Adams continues to play over Abbrederis."
Draft status.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 08:28 pm
Yes, and the support of #12. After all, Adams is a pro-bowl type player, according to our QB.
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 09:42 pm
The only logical answer is that Adams shows up big time during the week of preparation before the game on sunday.
Maybe he has some sort of performance anxiety, because his talent is not translating to the field at all on Sundays.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 09:55 pm
Even if that is correct, it seems not very wise to rely on that same guy week after week if he cannot match his preparation production to the actual game production. I have played in teams, not the same sports, and certainly not as a pro. But even in amateurs, when having guys who were great in practice but not as good in games, those guys were pulled out after some time. On the other hand, guys not as good in practice but good in games eventually played.
I think if you are right it also means the rest behind him are not that good. But that is speculation. I do think the word of #12 weighs heavily. and in the end, no matter what the play call is, the QB always has the choice to throw the ball to someone else. he just needs to say he went through his progression and targets no 1 and 2 were not open that micro second. he just likes Adams for some reason.
FrozenTundra
December 27, 2015 at 08:46 pm
You're so right. Turnovers killed us. They scored either 21 or 28 points in 14 minutes. After Mike Daniels interception they turned it over and that was that. They let them score a TD in less than a minute before halftime. That was the turning point. Actually the D wasn't that bad. 14 points came on fumble returns and another TD came on the kick off fumble (a walkin). So the D really only gave up 17 points. This team has major problems. You start at the top. You can not use one method to build a team. i.e. through the draft. Cow was right, and that part hurts as much as the loss.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 08:55 pm
I would say the D kept the game close and gave the offense a shot to take control of the momentum and the game. When the offense turned it over, it clearly took the wind out of their sails. They were right back on the field and just couldn't believe it. The end of the half killed what energy the Defense started with.
Could have been a 10-7 game w/ the Packers getting the ball to start the 2nd half. Instead it got out of control. A TD by the offense there, changes the enitre complexion of the game in the Packers favor.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 10:18 pm
how does this post possibly get thumbs down? i don't agree much with what the poster says many other times, but that is spot on there. The bone-headed INT by #12 completely changed that game. Going from being in the red zone after a great play by Daniels to back onto the field right after, and not having scored even 3 after getting the ball in that position was a killer. Better QB play and maybe the score is 10-7 at the half, and the Packers get the ball first in 2nd half. That game would've ended with a different score.
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 11:32 pm
Agree. Pissed me off to no end. Wheels fell off after that.
LASVEGAS-TOM
December 28, 2015 at 06:00 pm
OUCH!! I agree here. I got Hung Out To Dry. I knew something wasn't right before the game, but didn't expect this. I do agree that this game was played almost under Murphy's Law. Everything that could have gone wrong, Did. I do agree that this game did get out of control.
The offensive turnover did change the whole complexion of the game. It actually started before that. I'm not going to Blame the officiating, because we got our ass kicked. I'm not a great fan of Adams yet, & he's deserved much of the criticism he's gotten. If you remember that pass that AR through to him across the field in the 1st quarter, That was definitely PI & not his fault. That stopped us, & was a crucial call in the beginning of the game.
Int's & fumbles happen. They change the momentum. When you have injuries that only adds to the problems a team is having. I agree that the game would have not been what it was had a few things gone our way.
AR has to take his share of the blame, but not all of it. The WR's deserve their share, as does the OL, which is where I feel the biggest problem is. There were plenty of times when AR didn't have 2 seconds to throw. When he did have a little time the WR's were covered like a Blanket, at least that's what I saw, Of course I was Drinking more as the game went on.
Everyone knows I'm a fan of James Jones. Something is wrong when the only guy you can trust or throw to is 32 years old. I think all things considered, he had a decent game. I don't blame him for that Int, unless that was suppose to be a back shoulder throw, & I don't think it was. It was under thrown. Those things happen so fast, you can't think of breaking up. He may have had a chance if that ball was thrown high and beyond him, but it certainly changed the game.
I'm not giving up. Our OL needs to get healthy Bak, Linsey, & Bulaga. If they can't, then I would say we are in trouble. For now, it's just a game that didn't go our way. Give AZ our turnovers, & it's a different game. Better we have this game now than later. I DO NOT think we are as bad as it looked.
Next week, if we lose to Minn, we would play Seattle in the 1st round??
If we beat Minn, we would play them back to back. Is that Correct??
I hope we can get healthy. I don't think I can be this wrong about a team. If I am, it's time to quit. I believe in MM. He's a Great Coach IMO, & can only coach what's out on the field.
To Everyone who is Complaining here, The day will come soon enough when every game will be like this.(God Forbid), but a lot of us have seen it happen. Be thankful for the team we have, & Enjoy the moment LVT
LASVEGAS-TOM
December 28, 2015 at 07:06 pm
If they beat MINN, GB becomes the 3rd seed, which means they play Seattle the 6th seed, Correct. If GB loses they become the 5 seed & play Washington who is the 4th seed no matter what because they are a Division Champ. Have I got that right?? I like our chance's in both those games if we are healthy. I'm not quitting yet. What I lost this week, I won last week. When you're way ahead, you can absorb a loss here & there. I still think there are more wins coming this year. I don't care about next week, only the week after. LVT
J0hn Denver's Gavel
December 28, 2015 at 04:42 pm
"Cow was right, and that part hurts as much as the loss."
Even a broken clock displays the right time twice a day.
Thegreatreynoldo
December 27, 2015 at 07:46 pm
Complaint #1 - 5 = repetitive posting. Same ol, same ol.
Is Cobb our best RB?
If so, can we afford to play Cobb at RB?
What were the snap counts - pretty much same WRs.
Do we have any healthy OL?
Do we have any OL close to being healthy?
Starks is good but... 4 fumbles in last 4 games?
RR cannot break a DB´s tackle, still. Finesse guy?
I will check the playoff scenarios: we might be better off resting Bakh and Bulaga if 2 weeks gets them healthy.
Ryan is still learning, but the D was not the problem.
Big plays given up, again.
Won´t speculate re coach/player relationships - yet.
Slowly changing my thought on our needs in the draft: maybe now OT, OT, OG, WR, WR TE TE (JK a bit)
Roadrunner23
December 27, 2015 at 07:47 pm
Sigh; the one positive to this latest debacle is the Packers are jetting their way back to Title town with tales tucked between their well beaten fannies and they don't like it very much. The butt whooping they experienced in Arizona should embarrass the whole team from Mark Murphy, Ted "The White Hair " Thompson, Big Mike McCarthy to every single player and employee. McCarthy's legions i'm sure will be primed to avenge this atrocity at home on Sunday against the Vikings and when they win the North Division Crown at 11 & 5, all will be happy happy in Green Bay, then begins a new season and a fresh start....who knows what possibilities lie ahead?
The giants came into Green Bay a few years ago facing a 15 & 1 Packers team and came away with a huge upset that day.
I know it doesn't look good right now, but (another cliche) "on any given Sunday" yes the Packers are in it, until they are not!
NostraDANus the Optimistic Mystic is still Optimistic!
Go Pack!
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 07:58 pm
Thanks. I needed that. Maybe if they ALL come out next week and take it out on the Vikings, I will feel better. Forgetting this game may not be possible tho.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 08:27 pm
As weird as it might sound, that just might upset fans a bit more.
I can hear/see it now...
"Well, where in the hell was this when we played the Cardinals!??"
Tundraboy
December 28, 2015 at 10:00 pm
Your right about that but I'll take a victory.
ollie418
December 27, 2015 at 08:04 pm
Get real please!
calabasa
December 27, 2015 at 08:29 pm
What's wrong with white hair?
Tundraboy
December 27, 2015 at 07:52 pm
From the interception after Daniels'play it was like watching the three stooges. Even alcohol can not numb the pain. Offense was just disgraceful.
Spiderpack
December 27, 2015 at 07:57 pm
I just don't know……
Spiderpack
December 27, 2015 at 07:58 pm
I can't think of a more embarrassing and actually fitting way to top off the season. I wish it would just be over right now.
Roadrunner23
December 27, 2015 at 08:08 pm
Careful what you wish for, even Lombardi's Packers were embarrassed once in a while. The Butt Whooping they got on a Thanksgiving day against the Lions comes to mind, I believe if memories serve, Bart Starr was sacked seven times that day. It happens.
paxbak
December 27, 2015 at 08:39 pm
That team had a history of playing great football, this team does not - Carolina had a let down today, but the offense and defense has shown brilliance all year long. Packers have shown next to nothing, especially on offense.
It's over Johnny
Since'61
December 27, 2015 at 09:24 pm
Starr was actually sacked 11 times that day, which was Thanksgiving 1962. Lombardi's Packers were 13-1 that year and defeated the NY Giants 16-7 in NY to win the NFL championship. Nitschke was named MVP of the champion ship game. I have always believed that if that Lions game was a Sunday game the Packers would have won and would have gone undefeated in 1962. The '62 Packers were probably Lombardi's best team. Thanks, Since '61
MikeHoncho
December 27, 2015 at 08:10 pm
I want to know what the hell is going on with Aaron Rodgers this year. He is not solely to blame for this awful offense, but he is a HUGE part of the reason that this offense is a dumpster fire. We can blame the wide receivers all we want, but when you go back and look at the film from previous games, there is an awful lot of open guys that Aaron just flat out misses. We can blame the offensive line, but Aaron was sacked 50 times in 2009 and 51 times in 2012. His QB rating in those years were 103.2 and 108.0. He has been sacked 33 times this year and has a 95.2 rating. His best season was 2011 with a 122.5 rating and he was still sacked 36 times. So how does a guy who has played ungodly his entire career whether he has had great players around him or mediocre players around him suddenly become terrible? Not only is he making mental errors, but his accuracy has been completely average to say the least.
Since'61
December 27, 2015 at 09:27 pm
The likely explanation is that he is playing with an injury of some type. We will find out whenever it is that the season ends. Thanks, Since '61
Wenis
December 27, 2015 at 08:12 pm
LoL............ Until McCarthy and Rodgers take repsonsibility for this implosion expect more of the same. I think McCarthy for his part has lost the team as they didn't even show up today. Rodgers for his part has just played real bad for the better part of the season and he alone was the Cardinals MVP in today's game. This is a team that doesn't know how to adjust and doesn't seem to really give a shit if they can turn things around or not.
Packisback988
December 27, 2015 at 08:19 pm
The cold hard truth is that the Packer's wideouts cannot get separation. Teams are having a easier time blitzing Aaron Rodgers this season because he can only trust James Jones in tight coverage. Cobb is getting double team most of the game and Adams cannot catch a ball with a guy on him. Teams are daring us to throw and loading up the box to stop the run.
4thand1
December 27, 2015 at 08:25 pm
I missed the shitfest. After reading the comments and seeing the score, I'm not watching it. Had it recorded. This team is fucked. There is more to it than just timing and rhythm. I looks like AR has mailed it in and just has given up. The worst part is they'll be picking in the bottom of the draft again. I listened to the post game and even Mark Taulscher was ripping them. He said there is no way this team can compete with the contenders. Maybe they can find a way to beat the vikings. Twice?
ray nichkee
December 27, 2015 at 09:16 pm
Its not that bad bro, the game was bad but without the right guys i have no clue why tolzien wasnt in there earlier.
paxbak
December 27, 2015 at 08:33 pm
- It was over when - Barclay was named our starting LT. He was aweful!!
- Adams needs to be benched - how can Arod watch him drop the TD and then go right back to him. Nothing to Adams ever works - even the successful play was marred by a spike and penalty
- What happened to our QB - is he finished? Can't complete a pass past 5 yards down field - gotta think Brady would figure out a way to complete passes - our best plays all year have been pass interference down field on a marginal pass attempts
- Hope we don't have to play Seattle in the 1st round - rather go to Washington as a wild card - then again the home game would be good to the Green Bay economy
- I think the opportunity with this team has passed - can't see a lot of help down the road other than our new DBs - things can change fast though - see Carolina (7-8-1 last year)
- This is the worst 10 win Packer team I have ever seen - this is the first time I can say we have no chance to advance in the playoffs against Carolina or Arizona (or Seattle) - in the past, always felt we could beat anybody
- Other than Janus on ST, has any player played better than expectations? I maintain all have played worse than expectations. Christl always said you're either getting better or getting worse - I am afraid we are getting worse
- Go Pack - just an extremely disappointing season given the expectations
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 08:45 pm
"Other than Janus (sic) on ST, has any player plated better than expectations?"
Tretter
Bakhtiari (well, better than I expected, anyways)
Raji
Pennel
Neal
Datone Jones
Randall
Rollins
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 08:55 pm
Maybe he meant Janis was playing like a.... never mind
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 08:37 pm
While the O was pathetic, the D played relatively ok. The turning point of this game was one of the many bone-headed throws by #12. After the Daniels INT, the score at half time should have been 7-10 at best, or 3-10 at worst, given that the ball was already in FG range. If this team goes into halftime down 3 or 7, and gets that ball after halftime and maybe shows some emotion, then this would certainly not have been so lopsided. But the O basically started laying down after that play, with the exception of Lacy, Lang, and Jones. The D didn't get any help anymore, and started falling apart.
On the positive side, ST play was fairly good this game.
What I do question this season is leadership on the team. #12 certainly is not providing it. On D, where are Matthews and Peppers? We can complain about the young guys like Ryan or Janis or whoever else, but the veterans are not playing well. Sitton is another great disappointment this season.
But overall, we have to remember again that this team is in the playoffs - and if they are so bad, but still are 3rd in the NFC, how bad is everyone else? Even if they lose next week, they'd still be 5th in the NFC.
baldski
December 27, 2015 at 08:37 pm
Offensive line draft choices have been neglected for how long? Too many first round busts. This all has started to show up. Rogers has how many good years left? Can the missing pieces be found in 3 - 4 years?
Oppy
December 27, 2015 at 08:48 pm
I think a lot of the early complaints of poor line play were grossly overstated.
Linsley had a string of shaky games early, but other than that, I believe shitty RB play and a QB holding the ball far too long were the biggest factors that gave the appearance of poor OL play.
Today, injuries on the OL were too much to overcome. Started the game down one starting tackle, ended the game with two back up tackles playing.
I think we still need to find a better starting LT (Bakh is more than serviceable but far from stellar, IMO) and more depth after that, but I feel pretty good about the starting line up otherwise.
FrozenTundra
December 27, 2015 at 08:56 pm
Cow was right. That hurts as much as the loss.
FrozenTundra
December 28, 2015 at 12:40 pm
Damn LOL That's pretty bad. He says one word and gets two thumbs down.
Packmaniac
December 27, 2015 at 08:57 pm
The Pack is in the playoffs because of their 6-0 start. That's it, and that's history. They're 4-5 since, including losses to top playoff teams and a couple home losses to division rivals. That's the type of team they've been for the majority of the season, with today being the low point of the decline. That's the type of team that will be entering the playoffs. I don't own rose-colored glasses, so I'm sure you can guess how far I think they're goin'
keeley2
December 27, 2015 at 09:06 pm
Well, looking on the bright side, my bathroom remodel is coming together nicely, thanks to a Sunday off from football.
Rossonero
December 27, 2015 at 09:20 pm
My observations:
1. Rodgers is not himself for a variety of reasons.
- slow group of WRs who struggle to get separation
- no real deep threat to take the top off a defense
- more injuries / inconsistent play on the o-line
- Rodgers holds onto the ball too long sometimes and is flat out not himself, missing throws he normally makes
- running game is inconsistent and not there to take pressure off Rodgers
2. The "fire Capers / McCarthy / Ted" bandwagon needs to put down their pitchforks and torches.
This is not Cleveland where they fire and hire a coach each year or every other year. This was a terrible defeat, but emotional decisions are usually bad ones.
3. For those saying that we never replaced Charles Woodson......you are right -- that's because he is a future Hall of Famer!
You don't replace someone like that. That's like saying "we never replaced Reggie White."
No duh -- those guys are legendary players. Morgan Burnett and Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix are solid players. They're not Charles Woodsons, so if someone knows who the next Woodson is in this draft, feel free to name that player. Otherwise, the safety position is in good hands.
4. Nobody is afraid of Richard Rodgers.
I will agree with those that say we never replaced Jermichael Finley. I agree with Oppy that Finley never realized his full potential anyway, but at least he was a match-up problem and defenses had to account for him. Richard Rodgers is a catch-and-fall TE. Good hands, but that's about it.
5. The Packers need to draft a speedy WR (4.49 forty yard dash or less) in the first or second round.
James Jones initially played well and has Rodgers' trust, but I can't see them re-signing him in 2016, especially if the coaching staff wants younger WRs like Abbrederis, Janis or others on the practice squad a chance to play.
There's no guarantee that Jordy Nelson will be back to his old self either. Depending on how you feel about Davante Adams, he's basically a younger version of James Jones. He'll be a solid WR, but never a game breaker. Same goes for Ty Montgomery.
6. The problem is not the defense or special teams.
The defense and special teams is by far and away, much improved from last year. I hate to start thinking about the NFL draft already, but the fact of the matter is, the majority of our draft picks have been spent on fixing the defense. The run defense is still a concern, but offensively, the Packers need to take a real hard look at taking a 3rd down RB to possibly replace Starks, a TE and a speedy WR that defenses will respect.
Horse
December 27, 2015 at 09:28 pm
"Fundamentals"
Yeah, fundamentals of game ops.
When you have backup OTs on both sides, you don't have to wait to give them some help until the game is out of reach. For starters.
You knew you'd have to run. Thanks for the first 5 minutes.
You got the ball on the Cards 15? Maybe calling two 2 yard pass plays and putting everything on 3rd down when the line can't block isn't a good plan.
I could go on. And on. And on.
jh9
December 27, 2015 at 09:37 pm
I don't care if this team has already won 10 games and made the playoffs. This season has been a major disappointment.
There are only two ways to look at this team: Either they don't have the talent to compete on the highest level, or they aren't getting the most out of the talent they have.
TT is responsible for the talent on the team and MM is responsible for getting the most out of his players.
Right now I'm too upset by what I've seen to clearly analyze who to blame and what needs to be done.
Packer_Pete
December 27, 2015 at 09:58 pm
"This season has been a major disappointment." - is it over already?
barutanseijin
December 27, 2015 at 10:39 pm
Pretty much. We know the trajectory the team is on. We know where it ends. It's not in a shower of confetti with a big, shiny trophy.
packersbrewers
December 27, 2015 at 10:37 pm
I honestly don't even know what there is to say anymore. Week in and week out we see the same crap performances on the field and week in and week out we are told they are too good for this, they'll get things corrected, they'll watch tape and stress things that need to be stressed. And the following week things somehow manage to look worse. Week to week nothing changes and at this point I have zero confidence anything will change this year. This wasn't a one game "oops took a shit but we'll be back" kinda thing. This has been a consistent issue for most of the season. It's too late in the year with far too many inconsistencies, identity crises, injuries, and problems to expect a miraculous turn around in the post season.
Regime change? I dunno. I doubt it will happen for many reasons. (Perhaps a few coaches need to lose their jobs if not a total overhaul is warranted). But I do think several things are worth noting.
1. Even with Jordy Nelson this offense is a hot mess and that's concerning. How do you go top 5 to bottom 5 minus 1 player without there being a ton of other issues involved? We lost Jordy Nelson for games before and never managed to look this bad for this long. This offense is far more broken then the loss of 1 guy.
2. McCarthy had some talent in coaching QBs but the 49ers offense he coached was ranked dead last in the NFL. In NO his offenses were middle of the road. I think he was lucky enough to have some great supporting coaches here in GB. I think he got all the credit for what maybe was just some great coaches whose combined efforts mixed well together. Now that he has lost some good assistants it suddenly starts to appear that maybe the right mix isn't there anymore. Maybe there are some assistants in the wrong roles or maybe MM just isn't as creative as he once was or maybe this group of offensive coaches don't have the right mix or maybe MM was simply the guy who sat in the back taking all the credit for the assistants bright ideas. Whatever it is this group of offensive coaches, starting with MM, isn't getting it done.
3. The whole "give MM back the play calling duties and all will be well" was obviously a bust. Play calling was never the big issue in my mind. Execution was. Mike nor Tom can run the routes, throw accurately, or pass/run block. All of which have been horrific this year. Plus we just don't have a good scheme for the players we have.
4. If you are going to draft and develop then you need coaches that can do that at a high level.
5. Ted also has to be more successful in drafting play makers. Currently Matthews/Peppers/Rodgers are our 3 highest paid players and they are below average this year. Can you think of 5 impact plays they've had all year? I can come up with a couple for each but beyond that? I'm drawing a blank. Honestly though if you are going to chew up a huge percentage of our salary money earn it or refund it to the organization. (Wishful thinking I know I know). We also need an ILB and TE so badly it makes me want to vomit. Yet outside of maybe J-Mike TT has failed miserably in these position groups.
6. I feel like this team has quit on MM or he's kind of lost the team. You start looking at effort, production, results and you start to wonder if these players are no longer buying what MM is selling.
7. Rodgers appears to be quite the....divo (not sure that is the right word either). It's fine to a certain extent. He's a QB in the NFL. You have to think you're great. And he is. Or he was. So you sort of rolled with it because confidence and ego are part of the NFL. But now I start to side eyed alot. Rodgers had his leadership called into question multiple times. When we were winning and our offense was potent it was laughed off. When our offense is struggling so mightily it starts to become more concerning. Especially when he's pouting, calling out teammates on the field, and stomping around flailing his arms around like a 2 year old in mid tantrum. He needs to stop especially since he gave the ball over at least 3 (if not 4?) times today. Stop. Just stop.
I don't know what the answers are. I don't think they are easy answers which is actually why I don't think 2015 season is salvageable. Too much is broken and it's too late to make significant changes. I think we can hope for an NFC North title but I don't see this team, specifically this offense, putting together 4 wins in the post season to win a Super Bowl.
RCPackerFan
December 27, 2015 at 11:31 pm
'3. We don't have a good scheme for the players we have'.
That is exactly it. They are trying to force this group of players to be like the players they had a few years ago. Sorry but they are not the same players. Coaches have to adjust their scheme to fit the players they have.
Also they have to do more things to create new looks. They have to be a lot more creative, and have realize they have to make some big changes.
NickPerry
December 27, 2015 at 09:45 pm
As I read through these comments the people that seem to express change at the top are getting "Dislikes", (For whatever that's worth) and the people that continue to make excuses are getting "Likes", (For whatever that's worth).
Personally I'm so damn sick and tired of Thompson getting a pass. This is what happens when you continuely BLOW Draft Picks and please don't bring up Rodgers (Fell in his Lap) or Matthews, Cobb, Nelson or a few others, he's bound to hit once in a while.
This team has NO depth at O-Line, one decent D-Lineman, one decent LB that they have to play inside because Thompson waited until the 4th damn round this year to address the injury from Bishop in 2012!!! ANYONE with 2 eyes knew Richard Rodgers wasn't going to be what the Packers needed at TE so that's still unaddressed since 2013. "We Draft and Develop our own here in Green Bay". Well Ted, first you have to draft someone to develp and quit wasting the years of Rodgers and the few others you managed to hit on.
Rodgers isn't blame free in this mess called the Packers and a good GM and HC could have them back on top in a year or two. But right now this team is on the verge of MM 4th one and done. WHAT are you going to do Mark Murphy? Keep pissing away the years of Rodgers or get a GM and HC who can bring more that winning the weak ass NFC North to Green bay?
RCPackerFan
December 27, 2015 at 11:45 pm
Well since we can't talk about play calling or anything related to it with Ketchman, we will have to here.
I think McCarthy forgot that football is like a chess match. And that when you play a lot your opponents will catch on to your tendencies. When you don't do anything different it makes it easy for the opponent to know how to counter the way you attack.
He needs to wake up and start showing defenses one thing and do another. Also be quicker to adjust to what the defense does before its checkmate .
pooch
December 28, 2015 at 07:15 am
Its reported the hgh use by Matthews,Daniels and Peppers,or is that what you were referring to
Dr.Rodgers
December 28, 2015 at 04:31 pm
Maybe then they would actually "rush" the passer.
pacman
December 27, 2015 at 09:57 pm
I can't wait to see Ketchman this week. In his Final Thoughts, he said exactly what I was saying - the Packers have to play well in order to say they are ready for the playoffs.
I want to see if Ketchman finally says - this team played horribly and is going nowhere.
Rossonero
December 27, 2015 at 10:01 pm
Also forgot to mention that Don Barclay has effectively played himself out of a contract for next year. You have to wonder if Starks has, too.
How do you guys feel about the Starks benching? Personally, if I was a player, it wouldn't allow for a chance to get back out there and redeem yourself. Two fumbles in one game, yeah I'm fine with benching then. But benching after one fumble lends itself to a zero defects mentality that ruins players because they feel they must be perfect. You have to let your players make mistakes, it's part of the game.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 10:25 pm
I think it would be foolish to let Starks walk. Especially after the regular season Lacy has had (so far). On top of that, there are unknowns after the two.
barutanseijin
December 27, 2015 at 10:47 pm
Starks is done. Don't see much of a market for a guy who will be over thirty next year and who puts the ball on the ground.
Rossonero
December 27, 2015 at 10:04 pm
The Packers talked a lot about a fast start this year. That's fine 'n all, but a hot finish in December is better than a slow start in September.
AZPack
December 27, 2015 at 10:12 pm
No doubt about it. Its VERY difficult to peak twice in one year. If you peak early like the Packers did, you're going to have a down period and have to try to get back to a peak again. It just isn't that easy. That's why coaches don't usually care how they play at the beginning, but at the end.
Peaking twice in one year is very difficult to accomplish. And I always want the team peaking at the end!
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 10:28 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You said "we".
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*resumes shun*
pooch
December 28, 2015 at 07:12 am
Like him or not WELL SAID
FrozenTundra
December 28, 2015 at 12:46 pm
I'm throwing the bong away. I'm starting to agree with Cow.
Grandfathered
December 27, 2015 at 10:39 pm
Packers need inspiration and leadership.
4thand10
December 27, 2015 at 10:44 pm
Hard to watch my Fav team play like this. I blame the players and coaches at this point. Coaches for the play calling, players for not executing and a lack of leadership. Waiting until almost half time before making adjustments is just crap. And then making no adjustments even after half time is even more crap. QB (Rodgers) getting drilled...and yet NO HELP is put in to at least make a half assed attempt to help block. I mean..if your QB is getting drilled consistently...put 2 TE's in or 2 fullbacks. Kuhn and Ripkowski in the backfield if necessary to protect the QB...just baffling why they didn't go to this.
Yes...Starks fumbled again....but taking him out to "prove a point" does absolutely nothing when he is the only healthy RB with experience you have. When the receivers are not catching passes or getting open or even IF it is just poor throwing...Why would you take out your only running threat left??
Putting Clay on the outside....why??? And why do it just for this game?? He was doing just fine on the inside tackling RB's and getting right in front of opposing QB's faces, but no...let's make a change just for the sake of making a change, play him outside and give Palmer a pocket to step up into and throw. Dumb. I'm sick of talking about or at least reading about how we need good ILB's and OLB's EVERY YEAR since FOREVER. When you have Peppers and Mathews and other extremely high picks on the D....it is NOT the players in this case I don't think.
Adams...I don't know which is worse...the non catches or the drops, then when he finally makes a play...hurts the team by spiking the ball. I would love to see the Pack cut bait on him and just accept the fact that he is not what they thought he was. At this point someone off the street or someone else's practice squad couldn't be any worse.
Instead of punting...why the onside kick so early?? WTF was that?? Why not punt and pin em deep to see if your D can do anything??
Totally crap performance from the top down. And please, for the love of God could someone teach RR how to block? I mean, if your a big heavy TE you should at least be able to Block at a minimum.
Tundraboy
December 28, 2015 at 12:01 am
Wow. Could not have put it any better. Truer words have never been spoken.
DrealynWilliams
December 27, 2015 at 11:04 pm
Ummm, see what the Vikings did? Week 17 will be a classic
ray nichkee
December 27, 2015 at 11:30 pm
OK everyone, we got this shit. We need are tackles healthy enough to play or rodgers will be our leading rusher. The game sucked but what could he do? Its not all on the qb. Raji and shields were missed too.
alaskan tundra
December 27, 2015 at 11:40 pm
Glad I missed this game.
mrtundra
December 28, 2015 at 12:56 am
I want to know just how does TT start to fix this? Do we need to be mediocre for several more years so we can draft our way to success? I hope not! Even then, would TT draft the talent if we had those kind of picks? This year, he surprised everyone with the Randall and Rollins picks. Is diving into FA going to play a bigger role with this team? AZ picked up Freeney and all he has done is produce for them. It really hurts to see this team struggle like it has. Look at the records of the other teams in the play offs. Are they panicking like we are?
NickPerry
December 28, 2015 at 06:05 am
Ted won't do a damn thing, THAT'S the problem. He'll continue to use the draft, sometimes taking players he could have had in the 7th round or as and UDFA like Thronton and Rodgers in 2014 for example, or trying to find the "Next Gem UDFA", that's how he's built the team for years. Last season he added ONE FA and look what happened, 5 minutes from a SB until McCarthy and his coaching staff pissed it away. Actually the Cardinals, Patriots, and a few others use FA like it should be used. They let it settle down and grab a few players that will add depth and experience who will help the team. UDFA aren't the be all cure all like they are for TT.
McCarthy has been coach for 10 years and had them 5 minutes away from a SB and completely HELPED piss away the chance, his lack of being able to adjust has killed this team more than once and it seems the Players don't believe in him. They sure are playing like it! He's kept Capers through all these years even though he should have been gone. The defense was actually better this year but they still have their issues. This team seems to have quit on McCarthy and there's obvious tension between Rodgers and MM.
Elliot Wolfe is going to get snatched up this year by some team, most likely the Lions. If I was Mark Murphy I'd take a long hard look at making him the Packers GM, well either him or Jon Schnieder if possible. TT is old and his staff has been picked apart the last several years and it's showed in his drafts.
Tundraboy
December 29, 2015 at 07:34 pm
"McCarthy has been coach for 10 years and had them 5 minutes away from a SB and completely HELPED piss away the chance, his lack of being able to adjust has killed this team more than once"
More times than I can remember. Can't take it anymore.
Charlu19
December 28, 2015 at 03:51 am
1 Super Bowl, 2 MVP's, a Super Bowl MVP... another 10-win season... guys, get the fuck over it. You're spoiled. We get in, we dance, we try... TT had some short-comings in the draft on OL and WR. Aaron has no help and the defense hasn't jelled yet. Just bad luck. Stop bitching.
Charlu19
December 28, 2015 at 03:51 am
1 Super Bowl, 2 MVP's, a Super Bowl MVP... another 10-win season... guys, get the fuck over it. You're spoiled. We get in, we dance, we try... TT had some short-comings in the draft on OL and WR. Aaron has no help and the defense hasn't jelled yet. Just bad luck. Stop bitching.
Charlu19
December 28, 2015 at 04:00 am
Defense:
1 Top-10 DB (Shields)
1 Top-10 LB (Matthews)
1 Top-15 DL (Daniels)
Offense:
1 Top-3 QB (Rodgers)
No Top-30 RB
No Top-30 WR
No Top-70 OL
Coaching: a colossal joke
Oppy
December 29, 2015 at 09:02 pm
Dude, while he's having a down year, Josh Sitton is one of the top 2 or 3 OG's in the league. I'd say even with not-up-to-his-standards play this year, he's still a top 6 guard, without question.
Lang is a top 15 guard in a league of 64 starting guards.
Bulaga is probably in the upper half of right tackles.
While Linsley had a down year, he was a BEAST last season, and Tretter played extremely well when he stepped in for them.
Charlu19
December 28, 2015 at 04:00 am
Defense:
1 Top-10 DB (Shields)
1 Top-10 LB (Matthews)
1 Top-15 DL (Daniels)
Offense:
1 Top-3 QB (Rodgers)
No Top-30 RB
No Top-30 WR
No Top-70 OL
Coaching: a colossal joke
Charlu19
December 28, 2015 at 04:00 am
Defense:
1 Top-10 DB (Shields)
1 Top-10 LB (Matthews)
1 Top-15 DL (Daniels)
Offense:
1 Top-3 QB (Rodgers)
No Top-30 RB
No Top-30 WR
No Top-70 OL
Coaching: a colossal joke
packrulz
December 28, 2015 at 04:22 am
What is disturbing is the Packers appear to be regressing as a team. I was puzzled when McCarthy gave up play calling duties, it was one of their strengths! The run blocking has been awful for years. The defense struggles every year, and there is no reason our best pass rusher should be playing inside linebacker every year. I think the announcers are referring to the lack of speed at WR and RB. Ron Wolf always said you can't teach speed! Losing to Denver, Carolina, and Arizona don't surprise me, but it's the way they are getting their asses kicked that pisses me off. I am pessimistic about the playoffs, and I agree with the poster that said they need to consider a regime change before ARod gets any older.
NickPerry
December 29, 2015 at 05:11 am
Ron Wolf normally had speed at WR too.That and he ALWAYS had a decent TE.
some_guy
December 28, 2015 at 05:35 am
Without that early winning streak we might've at least gotten a good draft pick outt've this season. Instead it's another year in good-team purgatory, where we'll make the playoffs and then get bounced by our first opponent. I know a lot of fans would kill for that but shit, man, I'll happily trade them this year. The only thing the amount of success we've had this season is going to bring us is a late pick, and that really sucks.
DrealynWilliams
December 29, 2015 at 12:53 pm
So, if you had to guess, would you say the Cowboys fans are loving how this season is playing out?
some_guy
December 29, 2015 at 02:20 pm
Who cares if they're enjoying it? The end result is going to be a lot better for the team going forward than it would if Romo would've been around to do juuuuuust enough to get them a first-round playoff loss. When the team's competitive and the games are fun to watch there's a tradeoff in enjoyment that's worth giving up a better pick next year for even if you don't make some milestone game like the NFCCG or SB. *This* team has been garbage since SF, with the sole exception of the Vikes-game performance that I'm guessing won't be repeated. Cowboys fans might not be loving the season much but they're going to be thrilled with a top-5-ish pick. We have as much chance of going all the way as the Cowboys would if they were somehow airdropped into the playoffs, but instead we'll be picking in the late 20s.
DrealynWilliams
December 29, 2015 at 04:07 pm
Ok, I see you're one of the trolls or you're just emotionally drained. It's going to be alright. We're here for you.
Quick question though;
How has the top 15 picks been working out for:
Titans
Browns
Jaguars
Bucaneers
Rams
Bills
Bears
Raiders
Eagles
Lions
Redskins
Just about every season...
And how would the results be a lot better? How are those teams looking as of now that are constantly picking in the top 15? How often do they win their division? Are they reaching the Playoffs consistently? Are they legit SB contenders? No. But I'm sure their fans are just fine. They're thrilled for the next season's top pick, right?
Norm
December 29, 2015 at 05:48 pm
Well put Drealyn. I would add, if memory serves, the last two top 10 picks the Packers have had were AJ Hawk and BJ Raji. Solid starters but not difference makers (Hawk in particular has been the bane of fans on this site and others mainly due to his draft status; had he been a UDFA and not a top 5 pick he would be a cult hero). The two biggest difference makers we have on the team right now are Rodgers and Matthews, both picked in the 20's. Ted has never had a stellar record with first round picks anyway, so no point in hoping for a bad record to guarantee a higher pick.
Oppy
December 29, 2015 at 09:05 pm
Rationale and sanity in a post?
What is this?
DrealynWilliams
December 29, 2015 at 09:58 pm
Pauses shun
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Who is this "we" and "us" you speak of?
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Rossonero
December 28, 2015 at 08:00 am
It gets worse.
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported that TJ Lang is playing with a shoulder injury that will require off season surgery.
In addition, Josh Sitton has a back injury that is affecting him. The entire o-line is injured and the only back-up worth anything is JC Tretter.
Ted Thompson's strategy of using cheap, undrafted tackles backfired in his face last night. He's lucky Rodgers wasn't injured. The Packers saw 8 man fronts and didn't use two TE sets nor either of the two fullbacks on the roster for help. Probably in part because Quarless and Richard Rodgers are not good at blocking, either. Another failure of drafting. WTF.
PatrickHelms
December 28, 2015 at 08:32 am
This is what I see week after week.
The QB constantly overthrows or underthrows and continues to make bad decisions. Many of those passes are way off and hard to catch and then many are thrown to WR's who are still on the field even after they drop the ball. Pressure is definitely an issue as the WR's aren't getting space soon enough. They are getting open but after the OLine has already collapsed.
The CB's don't cover consistent enough since the other team WR's come off the line full of energy creating space. Seems like they want to win more that ours do.
Play calling is predictable and if you are going to get pressure like they are on the QB, then quicker passing plays are needed. Not just to the outside either...lol
They know when we are going to run too often.
If the coach is going to claim it's fundamentals....then they are ultimately responsible which probably has more to do with our problems than anything else.
EauClaire
December 28, 2015 at 09:26 am
We need to accept the fact that we have a very banged up team that would be VERY fortunate to win one game in the playoffs. Even Rodgers is only going to be as good as his supporting cast. The magnitude of Jordy's injury was disguised while we were playing weaker teams in Sept, but once the O-line started going down, the writing was on the wall. Remember when people were writing Brady off early in the season last year? Even he looked rattled when his line stunk. This too shall pass...just not this season. The O-line will get healthy in the offseason, and Jordy and Montgomery will be back. The young DBs will continue to improve, and hopefully we can finally find some O-line depth and a legitimate ILB (or two) who can complement Matthews and cover the pass. Most fan bases would kill for our team, coaches and GM. Injuries killed our chances a few years ago and again this year, and we were VERY healthy during our Super Bowl run. Complain all you want about the play calling, etc., but only one of 32 teams is happy in the end, and unfortunately it won't be GB this year.
Rossonero
December 28, 2015 at 10:13 am
Agreed. Some years it's your year and other times it's just not. Last year what was so remarkable was the offensive line's health and playing all 16 games together.
It's time to start thinking about the draft. We need a fast WR, a TE that can block and a 3rd down back similar in style to Jonathan Franklin. Also need an OLB as Perry and Neal will be FAs and Peppers has one year left.
Our needs ranked:
1. WR
2. OLB
3. TE
4. RB
5. DT
6. OT
7. ILB
DrealynWilliams
December 29, 2015 at 12:56 pm
I find it funny that you have ILB ranked the lowest. Why is WR ranked the highest?
hybridauth_Facebook_539783066
December 28, 2015 at 11:10 am
Well said
Flow49
December 28, 2015 at 12:22 pm
I would disagree with the comment that we were healthy during our Super Bowl run if you are referring to 2010. We had 15-20 players on IR that year. Big names too like Finley, Grant, Barnett I think, plenty of lineman. Fact of the matter is that team stepped up to the challenge, (I'd give anything for another healthy Desmond bishop) this one has not yet. They have the opportunity to but they need better effort out of everyone.
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