Gut Reactions: Lifeless Packers embarrassed by Vikings

Aaron gives his gut reactions to the Packers loss to the Vikings. 

  • The Packers defense is a problem.
  • Mike Zimmer had a plan for Davante.  
  • Vikings got two ticky-tack calls to keep that opening drive alive in the 2nd half 
  • Martin needs to be playing over Barnes
  • Tough game, again, from EQ. Gotta make a play.
  • Adrian Amos was one of the lone bright spots on defense today. 
  • Loved the extensive look at Dillon
  • Niice game from Sternberger
  • I can't believe Pettine can look at his defensive front getting gashed and respond by apparently saying "We need fewer big guys up front..."
  • Wish Rodgers could have hit Tonyan in stride on that deep shot. And I wish he could have hit Sternberger at all. 
  • Wish we'd seen more Ervin with the ball in his hands. 
  • Yes, the refs were terrible. But good teams overcome that.
  • I don't think the Packers actually caught the Vikings with 12 on the field, but I'll take it.
  • Major props to Mike Zimmer. He came into Lambeau severely undermanned and punched the Packers in the mouth.
  • The Niners might run for 1,000 yards on Thursday. 
  • Lotta season left. 
  • Go Pack Go. 
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Comments (209)

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Lare's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:17 pm

All Zimmer did is follow the gameplan that SF showed him. The Packers cannot stop the run.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:24 pm

I'm ridiculously pissed at Gutekunst and Pettine. We just don't have the horses to stop the run. The pass rush has been poor this year. Ugh.

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Thegravedigger's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:01 pm

Why was lowry playing the entire first half? Every replay you could watch him get blown off the ball.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:09 pm

We all wondered why Gute gave Lowry Daniels' money. It was a pre-emptive gamble betting that Lowry would continue to improve, when he'd already hit his ceiling.

Bad move.

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MarkinMadison's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:56 pm

Seriously? Daniels is playing for freaking Cincy right now where he has ONE tackle for the year.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:01 pm

Yep.

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mrj007's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:47 pm

Ridiculously pissed is probably my new go to phrase... send 11 guys to tackle cook. That’s apparently an adjustment Pettine couldn’t quir figure out.... 49ers are gonna destroy GB on Thursday and next week we’ll be sitting at 5-3...

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Wrongbayfeldlman's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:31 pm

Well I guess I will start it off. It’s time to find a defensive coordinator.
Pettine has not done the job.

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Wrongbayfeldlman's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:38 pm

Pretty good secondary, high level pass rushers
Certainly enough talent to not be getting gashed week after week.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:53 pm

There is plenty of talent to be better than they've shown

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Thegravedigger's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:09 pm

When they show up. Thats coaching. But also lack of a leader.

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Hematite's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:09 pm

Pettine should be fired today!!!

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badaxed's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:25 pm

Fire Pettine now!

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UGDR's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:24 pm

3 man rush on 3rd and 8 with CBs playing 10yards off the WRs. Mean Mugging Mike and the Pettine Zoo sucked today! Soft AF

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Guam's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:53 pm

Let me see if I have this right. Zimmer can use somebody else's game plan and a bunch of rookies and UDFAs to stop Aaron Rodgers and the Packer offense and Pettine has a bunch of high priced free agents and first round draft choices and he can't stop one running back and a QB that throws 14 passes. I think maybe it is time for a change.........

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badaxed's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:00 pm

Righto! Fire Pettine now!

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Big_Mel_75's picture

November 01, 2020 at 06:13 pm

Eric Kendricks played with his hair on fire... Wonder if Patrick McQueen would have played better the Jordan Love today??

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Tundraboy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:06 pm

Yeah. I'm wondering the same thing. Why wait. A jolt can't hurt, and this is just dying slowly. We can't stop the run and somethings got to give.

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ImFubar's picture

November 01, 2020 at 07:50 pm

Your half right. He also looked at the game plan the bucks used to confuse Rodgers and put it in place second half and it worked. Rodgers went into the toilet on a moving zone.

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edp1959's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:17 pm

How much did that #1 pick contribute today?

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Jdh's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:40 pm

Hey had three catches for 26 yards.

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fordguy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:51 pm

Contribute today? It's not about winning now, it's the fuuuuuture, the fuuuuuutuure.

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Stickfish's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:33 pm

Which one that was riding the pine do you refer?

Two years prior still to be really heard from playing against a team that can only run. The other was last seen keeping 12’s sock hat warm.

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KenEllis's picture

November 02, 2020 at 12:54 am

Just as much as the 3rd and 4th.

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dobber's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:17 pm

Painful loss. Can't lose at home to an undermanned divisional opponent like that. Just can't.

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Rebecca's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:38 pm

Lose at home.
Just did.
Just can’t tackle.
Just can’t block.
Just can’t catch.

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CAG123's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:18 pm

I don’t want to hear anything else about this def and how they’re good enough.

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mbpacker's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:47 pm

Nor anything about the wind

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johngalt's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:19 pm

The Packers are not a good team. Expectations should be adjusted accordingly. Vikes were set up to mail it in the rest of the year- still won. Agree with Aaron- Zimmer was impressive. The D is soft, and needs people that are better at playing football. Not a coaching issue at all.

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Ollie1960's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:24 pm

Not a coaching issue? What are you smoking?

3 man rushes much?

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johngalt's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:09 pm

3-4 base. LB’s had good looks. Thats how you want it. Look- Cousins didn’t even throw it 15 times. This D can’t shed blocks & can’t tackle. Until they learn to do that- every team will give em more of the same. More on the LOS won’t solve it- it’ll make it way worse. You want db’s going against the OL? If LB’s can’t get off their blocks- you think Josh Jackson will? LB is the weakest link in this Defense. Both inside and out. Barnes/Martin/ Summers aren’t getting it done. Preston Smith is lost. Z’s only move it to pin his ears back and step on the gas. Watch the Steelers- you’ll see good defense-wild card win at best. Unless Will Fuller can also play LB. Go Pack

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:53 pm

A DT who can keep LBs clean would help too... but yes, I agree that ILB sucks.

At least Martin has some promise. We have... what... Keke at DT with a hope to improve?

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:15 pm

Absolutely correct sir! 2 thumbs up or 6 upvotes.

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dblbogey's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:23 pm

Can we hire the Vikings Def. Coordinator? And add a run defense?

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marpag1's picture

November 02, 2020 at 12:34 am

Wow. In their first 6 games, the Vikings rank 30th in points allowed, 29th in total yards allowed, 29th in passing yards allowed and 22nd in rushing yards allowed - ALL of these rankings being WORSE than the Packers - and you want to be like the Vikings??

Are you thinking that the Packers just lost to a GOOD team???

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UGDR's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:26 pm

3 man rush on 3rd and 8 with CBs 10yards off the WRs... Yeah...not coaching at all.. Lol

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johngalt's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:37 pm

K. Whats your D for that down and distance? You want 4 down lineman more cuz you think your gonna get a sack in that situation? ILB’s gotta cover AND tackle. I know-it’s hard. All the coaching in the world won’t get em to cover and tackle. It comes down to having the ability or not. Tough to hear, but this D does not. The Vikes O line is not even that good.

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PhantomII's picture

November 01, 2020 at 06:11 pm

I don't know what would work for sure but if it is not working you gotta change it up. K. Clark DE/ Keke DE and 3 down linemen. Z and Gary at ILB 4 DB's. That should be enough beef.

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pacman's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:29 pm

Isn't this what some of us said last week - take Adams out and there's not enough there. EQ has 2 balls go off this hands. If you get 2 hands on the ball, it has to be caught.

How much different is Pettine than Capers at this point? If Packers don't force their opponents to pass, we are going to get crushed every week. How does MLF not realize this?

So will getting Jones and Lazard back change this?

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:37 pm

With the Silage Committee, he doesn't get the opportunity to remove Pettine.

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Rebecca's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:41 pm

Very apropos.

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PhantomII's picture

November 01, 2020 at 06:20 pm

It will help score a lot more points and relegate the WR's that should not be on the field to the practice squad where they belong. That makes the other team throw more to catch up if our offense executes.....If. Dbbl edge sword. Offense has to score to rest the D and D has to get 3 n out to put the pressure on their D.

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ImFubar's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:01 pm

I realized I was wrong about Capers. I stopped blaming him for his silly packages. They were for survival having to play with sub standard players, many un drafted, no lo first rounders, no shut down corners or coverage safeties and a so so group of pass rushers. Not to mention other than Mathews, no ilbs to speak of.
Pettine has worse actually.

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PhantomII's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:18 pm

I agree the DL is really weak and Safety group not a lot better. CB's pretty good when King is healthy. OLB crew is 1 man show most of the time. ILB's are getting reps and hopefully growing faster in their development.

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Since'61's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:21 pm

Lifeless is the perfect word. Defense was terrible. Too many dropped passes (ESB). Too many penalties.
Some bad officiating as well.

Offense has Rodgers and Adams. Defense is an empty uniform. No excuses. Game was given away. Packers beat themselves today.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:43 pm

Savage too tentative and not using his range. LBs with poor pursuit angles and just square up their gaps. Lowry and lancaster getting washed out again. Keke not holding his spot lets Cook get the big run and hold onto momentum. The Queens are going to run at you and have FBs to pound you, so keep a DE like Winn on the Inactive and not play some 4-2. Too late now, this is your defense.

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Leatherhead's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:24 am

Rodgers and Adams combined for about 75 yards. How did we get 400 yards of offense?

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Lphill's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:20 pm

So Barnes and Martin are the answer ? Was Kenny Clark active today? let’s hear all the homers with the excuse that we lost because no Aaron Jones, Golly Gee !

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DublinIrelandPackers's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:21 pm

That was a tough watch. Didn't deserve a win. Liked Martin. Hated the run defence and tackling in general. Refs were inconsistent, that flag pick up was criminal but agree that that a poor team blames the refs. There was a 3rd and 7 (can't remember exactly) where Chandon played as soft coverage as you'll ever see. Seems to be a regular call by Pettine. Why so soft on a 3rd down. Demoralizing

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:25 pm

Yep: he gave an 8 yard cushion on 3rd and 7. The first down was simply easy.

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UGDR's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:28 pm

Mean Mugging Mike and the Pettine zoo are soft AF!

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marpag1's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:26 pm

I wouldn't say that the Packers' defense is a problem. I would say that the Packers' defense is non-existent.

And let's end the delusion that this is the best offense in football. I know Jones, Bakh and Lazard are out. That doesn't answer all the issues.

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murf7777's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:22 pm

We’ll I said we need to trade for JJ Watt, I stand by that comment. So we can’t keep all FA it’s all a choice but we don’t have much of a chance if we don’t get better up front in our D. I’ll take Watt over Bak ion this team. It’s a risk due to injury history but I’d still do it.

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stockholder's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:12 pm

Not Watt - Fuller. Next= cut cap. Amos had a great game. But he and King should be traded. Sign Tramon Williams. I still want Veldheer! dump Wagnor!

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badaxed's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:06 pm

Sign herb adderley.... wait he is dead.....just like this defense.

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Bure9620's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:22 pm

We were absolutely manhandled in the trenches today.....my expectations for Thursday are not high...........

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Betsenbell's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:22 pm

Stern Berger had to avoid running into Adams otherwise he’d have run the route intended I’d say.

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WilsonMaywick's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:23 pm

Mostert is not playing next week and has already racked up 100 yards on our defense.

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Ollie1960's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:23 pm

Just a horrible defense. Fire Pettine NOW.

Also, why no hurry up in the second half to change things up?

Don't you just love the 3 man rush?

Pettine was channeling Capers.

Yuk.

Will get gashed by Niners next week.

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johngalt's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:49 pm

Who would you hire as DC?

I’ll wait

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:54 pm

Dave Aranda, Jim Leonard, Wilcox,..

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flackcatcher's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:38 pm

Yeah. Right. (Laughs....) Oh, just for the record Aranda is a college div 1 HC and Jimmy Leonard is extremely happy at Wisconsin. It's going to take a HC position to get him to leave. Wilcox, get serious...

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NJMagic's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:03 pm

Don't need to wait long.

Gray.

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johngalt's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:13 pm

Gray will be better at telling/showing the players how to not suck and play better then. Got it

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Tundraboy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:32 pm

Someone with a plan and who hates lack of effort and fundamentals.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 03:34 am

Wade Phillips. Gray. Random guy on the street?

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:26 pm

1. We absolutely deserved to lose today
2. Fire Pettine
3. Gute: GET a frigging DLman who can stop the run other than Clark. NOW
4. Gute: GET a frigging WR who can line up right. (that's what was causing the problem after the Sternberger catch at the end).
5. There were no WRs after Adams who could play. Again. This is going to continue to be a problem.
6. This team is going nowhere in January. Again. Unless we get more talent at DT and WR.
7. We're going to lose to SF on TNF. I expect to give up 400 yards rushing this time.
8. 5-3 coming right up. We all still think Gute had a good plan???

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HankScorpio's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:41 pm

Gute has not impressed me at all. If not for ML, he'd be on a serious hotseat right now, IMO.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:56 pm

His 2018 offseason in UFA was impressive. Alexander was a find. We'll see in 2022 about the 2020 draft.

I got nothing else. In general, yes. I agree with you.

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Brewcity's picture

November 01, 2020 at 06:05 pm

2. Should say: Fire Pettine & Gutey.

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Houndog's picture

November 02, 2020 at 06:54 am

Gutey should be first in that order, it's completely transparent he's a Ted Thompson disciple, maybe even a clone.
Pettine, yeah, a bad DC without help from Gutey in the draft following a season when the Packers could not stop the run. Maybe Love can play DL, it might be the only way he sees the field in the next 2-3 years.

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OldPacker's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:23 pm

This is not a gut reaction ,, I have been ranting that we need D! so tried of the weapons posts.. we looked like a H.S team at the line of scrimmage .. Viking cut though the line like butter .. from Vikings 1st series, I knew it would not be a good day!! Games are won and lost at the line .. we all forget that ...

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enemy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:24 pm

Zimmer copied Shannahan's plan from NFC finals last season.
Executor was different... Cook instead of Mostert. No pass just run the ball. Our run defence is awful.

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ImFubar's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:09 pm

My take. Zimmer was getting even making a statement, game one we didn't have cook, wanted you to see what the outcome would have been if we had him.

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CAG123's picture

November 02, 2020 at 03:24 am

Not much of a statement since they had him last year and still lost

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:27 pm

I wonder if Gute will make a move by the deadline. Just don't see a title w/o a move but we might be a DL and a WR away.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:39 pm

I didn't want to be right about this. But I have been screaming for a DT and WR since May...

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dobber's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:46 pm

The question ultimately is: what is BGs strategy? Is he unwilling to press the issue on a title run in 2020? He was unwilling to do so in 2019, and maybe justifiably so. This team has shown that it can be elite on one side of the ball. One elite unit and one average unit can carry a team a long way in the playoffs. Somehow need to elevate this defense to average.

Side note: Kirk Cousins threw the ball 14 times today. 14. Unless the Vikings only run 20 offensive snaps, that doesn't reflect well on a defense.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 01, 2020 at 06:41 pm

That is the question that no one in the media is willing to ask. My gut says that Gute is willing to do a complete rebuild with Love as the cornerstone. But even if he is willing to do that, remaining competitive and keeping the window open to a Superbowl is still priority no. 1 with the fan base and certainly the executive committee in Green Bay. Balancing those interests will be difficult at best. With the whole league and players union (and agents) dealing with mass of Cap issues, it is understandable if Gute does not want to make any long term roster moves, or even deal with player contracts now. Right now, nothing is clear, and I doubt it will before next fall. Glad I'm not Gute...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 03:42 am

We've been talking about this for a while now.

Love and Dillon = future picks.
Deguara/Martin = win now picks.
6th/7th = mostly future, but that's normal for 6/7th rd.

Baffling? Just inconsistent? On the fence? IDK, that's sure.

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PhantomII's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:51 pm

Trying to make sense of this outfit will drive you crazy. You can easily see the needs of this team as well as I. Then what transpires is either nothing or a complete shock, in a bad way. I don't know what it takes to be a draft picking GM but it does not include common sense.

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murf7777's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:58 pm

I think we can make it without the wide receiver but we definitely need the defense of lineman help. If we can do both great but of the two I would go defense of lineman.

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Since'61's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:17 pm

TGR - it’s not just another DL that we need. Our defense has no toughness or aggressiveness. We need a leader on the field plus a few guys who bring it on every play.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Rebecca's picture

November 01, 2020 at 11:25 pm

That was my impression too. No smack, one nice pop by Kamal Martin, lowry was stood up , pushed aside and was an embarrassment. The rest of the line, well they’re just numbers now. Nobody really stepped up. Sad effort.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:53 pm

I still see this as a Cap issue. Gute knew that DL was a position issue going in to this season. Limited Cap space and other draft needs crowded out drafting DL help. That was well known even before the draft and this season. Packers made the decision to improve on the offensive side and announced to the fan base. I get some on this board want to pretend and vent after this game. But the strengths and flaws of this year's Packer team is well known. I doubt it's possible to make a move. The Cap space is too thin, and Covid-19 is keeping a lot of FA moves off the board this season. Too much uncertainty across the league right now. Teams are playing with what they have.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:36 pm

And yet, we got a RB and a TE in round 2/3. Even if you grant the QB pick was called for (which is dubious)...

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flackcatcher's picture

November 01, 2020 at 06:19 pm

Bedrock Packers: Always draft future QB starter before any other needs. No QB, no franchise. Bear you been b*t*hing about this draft since day one. I get it. Packers had two choices, a hard rebuild, or soft rebuild. Don't kid yourself, this team came close to a complete teardown of it's roster and front office. Gute manage to avoid both and remain in the hunt. That's impressive. Some positions will be weak or not a priority. That's the nature of the business in the NFL. Today we got exposed. This Thursday we'll see...

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 07:18 pm

The draft was a draft for 2022. I get that and respect it. Just like I got Gute swinging at WR with numbers in the 2018 draft.

What pisses me off is doubling down once the mistake is known.

1. We have a problem in 2019 run D and WR
2. Do nothing, not even a starting caliber low cost vet at either position in 2020 UFA.
3. Do nothing in the draft.
4. Continue doing nothing as the inefficiencies become more and more obvious.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 02, 2020 at 02:38 am

Sorry Bear, these are all known knowns. Would Gute fix the personal problems if he could. Of course. Did he expect personal to take the jump to the next level. Why, yes he did. Did he think his Head Coach would grow as a leader and manager. No question about that. As it is, this Packer team is young, talented, and with serious growing pains. It was always going to be this way. '61 is right. The lack of leadership on the field is telling at times. But that comes with growth and experience. But at times likes yesterday, it is sure painful to watch.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 04:20 am

No doubt you're right that cap is the reason for Gute might do nothing. With comp picks in the 4th, 5th and 6th plus the normal seven, Gute has plenty of draft picks to use to acquire help for this year. And Gute reasonably expected to have $35M in cap space next year but didn't foresee Covid.

Otherwise, I think you've got this all wrong. There never has been a rebuild in the prototypical sense because that usually comes with some tearing down. FA in 2018 was win now. Keeping MM in 2018 (which was not within Gute's authority) was win-now No additional need for a hard or soft rebuild. Otherwise, GB just needed to add pieces in the draft as all teams do. Drafting projects is interesting, but I have no idea what Gute's strategy is.

By now, one would think fans should be able to discern whether the strategy is a rebuild, focus on 2021 or 2022, or win-now, and I defy anyone to make a cogent argument for any of these options. Gute's strategy is luke warm.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:18 am

That's exactly the problem. What are we after? A rebuild? Win now? This half-ass-shit is frustrating as hell. PICK ONE.

And regarding Covid? Sorry, I don't care. Every other team in the league who is moderately successful is going to have the same problems.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 02, 2020 at 05:57 pm

I agree. I only wish we could see the direction the team wants to go in. It is frustrating as hell.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 02, 2020 at 05:50 pm

TGR, it would help if we knew what Gute's strategy is going forward. And yes the Packers have done hard rebuilds. One under Ted when he was hired, and one under Ron when he was hired. Ted has done at least one soft rebuild that started with the Favre trade. I thought this year if Covid-19 had not hit the league, Gute would move on Rodgers one way or the other. As it is, he may be forced by the Cap alone to make personnel moves he does not want to make now. My only point is, while Gute may prefer a soft reload. His Cap position (going back to 2018. Thanks, Mark Murphy) was always a step away from Cap Hell. So as GM he would be forced to do a rebuild mostly because of the Cap. The only question would it be a hard or soft one. If Gute follows the Ted model, then Rodgers is done along with a good number of core personnel. The only question is not if, but when. Like everyone else, Gute is waiting for the season to end. Only then the league and players (and their agents) will deal with the Cap numbers, and the Packers and other teams in the league can make their plans. (As an aside. If Murphy had not moved to fire McCarthy Thursday night, the executive committee might have never moved to remove Murphy from all front office decisions. Mark Murphy's action made Gute one of the most powerful GMs in the NFL)

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Houndog's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:17 am

"Don't kid yourself, this team came close to a complete teardown of it's roster and front office".

Flackcather,
What do you call the mess Murphy made of the front office, a reorganization? Everybody answers to him, he's the kingpin, it was nothing less that a power-grab by a guy more interested in real estate than football.
If a total rebuild is what's ahead we need to start by dumping Murphy and getting back to being a football team.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 02, 2020 at 05:00 pm

Well, I promised myself I would never hop on my Murphy hobby horse again... :-) I'll try and boil this down and not bore folks to death here. From 2016-2018 Murphy was defacto GM. While under the Packer bylines he did not have the authority, the executive committee gave him the leeway to make decisions on player personnel. The Rodgers extension in 2017 was his, which gutted the Cap savings that Ball and Ted had set up with the one year and none signings of core players. While the core of the front office under Ted was still there, they did not have the authority to make player moves, that rested with Ted who was in Houston undergoing medical treatment. In step Mark Murphy. To call Murphy's management of the front office third rate would be far too kind. The executive committee had enough, and hired Gute in 2018 over Murphy's objections. (The backstory itself is amazing) Murphy continued to meddle in the front office when he fired Mike McCarthy Thursday night in what was an obvious power play. That finally forced the executive committee to choose, either Murphy or Gute. They chose Gute and reduced Murphy to a figurehead waiting for his contract to expire. Right now, Gute is the most powerful GM in the NFL who is not an owner. He reports directly to executive committee on all football related matters. For better or worse, it's his team. If the Packers win big, he gets most of the credit, and if they fail...

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PhantomII's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:02 pm

It is Cap issue because after losing RT, Gute didn't trade or cut Lindsley to get DT help. I get it to a degree rocking the boat at multiple OL positions but he is older now and will not be resigned next year and maybe BAK either. A gamble any way but too much faith in DL growth after reality of NFC title embarrassment. Pettine does not help with his odd defense that only works if our offense is hot and other team doesn't run. I will thank Zimmer for showing Gute again he and Pettine are not good at poker.

1 points
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Grandfathered's picture

November 02, 2020 at 10:41 pm

I had hoped that ESB would be able to catch and run routes and fight for the ball, but his game was disappointing. I had no faith in EVS because he has speed but can't track the long ball. Neither is a great blocker, and Jace also missed blocks. Looks like Taylor is the 2md receiver, but it might be time to see more of Roberts or Begelton. It hurts to see the Jeffersons and Claypools doing so well, and wonder whether Gute has tried to look to far ahead instead of putting the best product out there.

0 points
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SteelyPhil's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:28 pm

Ugly. Ugly. Ugly.

By the way Cousins threw the ball a total of 14 times.

6 points
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dobber's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:46 pm

"By the way Cousins threw the ball a total of 14 times."

I should've scrolled one post further...

0 points
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jannes bjornson's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:48 pm

We all knew what was coming, apparently Pettine deleted the memo.

3 points
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HankScorpio's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:29 pm

My gut reaction is that we've confirmed the fatal flaws from 2019 that went largely unaddressed, ie WR and run stopping, remain fatal flaws for 2020. I've seen enough to think I know that this team is just not good enough

I'll keep watching in hopes I'm wrong. Either way, it'll be a fun diversion over some of the alternatives.

12 points
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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:47 pm

Yeah. If Gute doesn't make two moves - for a quality starter at DT and WR - before Tuesday, we're going down in embarrassing fashion in January again. With a 36 year old HOF QB. Great.

I'll still watch, because I'm a fan. But I'm done getting my hopes up with the current personnel.

3 points
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Lare's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:17 pm

Yeah, we'll read all kinds of articles that say that Gutekunst can't make any trades due to the salary cap. In reality, the Packers need to make some trades to improve their talent at DT & WR or they have zero chance to be successful in the postseason, which may cost him his job.

2 points
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dobber's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:47 pm

This may be the 2019 team, only the efficient stretch came at the start of the year rather than6 games in.

3 points
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Norm's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:30 pm

After the Packers scored TD's on their only two possessions of the first half (ignoring the last drive with less than 30 seconds left) the Vikings picked up a couple of used cornerbacks on Craigslist at halftime yet we could only score a late TD in the second half? I'm perplexed and flummoxed.

13 points
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jannes bjornson's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:52 pm

DBL or triple Adams and make one of the scrubs beat them at WR. LeFleur went to his TEs too late. Bhaktiari's absence was felt in the left side run blocking.

3 points
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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:00 pm

Was it LeFleur who went to the TEs too late?

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Lphill's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:31 pm

If the Packers make no moves by the trade deadline to improve this team , what message does that send us ?

9 points
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Lare's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:44 pm

If the Packers make no moves, it shows that Gutekunst is content with the talent and direction of this team. Either that or he's following in the footsteps of his mentor.

8 points
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dobber's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:50 pm

This is probably one of the most complicated non-strike seasons for roster management in the history of the salary cap. Covid threatening, a salary cap cut lurking, close up against the cap...but why do you NOT do something to make this team better?

7 points
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flackcatcher's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:09 pm

At what cost? Gute is probably going over the Cap numbers with Ball getting the same answers. Too many X factors with unknown returns. I like them to make a move to reinforce the DL, but then I'm not Gute. Besides none of us really knows what is out there in the trade market, if there is anything that is doable.

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KenEllis's picture

November 02, 2020 at 12:58 am

It shows us the exact same message as the past 10 trade deadlines.

We are not going to do anything during the season to improve our chances to win a Super Bowl.

Ted was able to ignore adding talent and apparently Gutey learned that lesson well.

2 points
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Leatherhead's picture

November 03, 2020 at 09:21 am

It sends the message that the professionals who are responsible think we can win with what we have and that we’re not going to mortgage the future grasping at straws.

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egbertsouse's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:31 pm

Don't get me wrong, I think Pettine sucks. He rode Rex Ryan's coattails for years. However, they just don't have good players on the defensive side other than Jaire and Clark. Z.Smith? Good situational pass rusher but doesn't like the dirty work. The rest? JAGs or worse, at least at this point. Maybe some will develop but not this season.

6 points
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Difer's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:34 pm

I thought the Pack was a "solid" 9-7 team, but not with this defense and MLF's inability to make half-time adjustments. His offense is just too easy to stop with a half decent defense. And can't somebody teach the defense how to tackle??? But in their defense, it really hurts to tackle somebody when its windy and cold. And it's on to San Francisco - whoopee.

5 points
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13TimeChamps's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:35 pm

Mike Pettine could very well be the worst DC in the league making halftime adjustments. I posted yesterday the only way Minn wins is if the defense lays an egg and let's Cook run wild. Well...he ran wild in the 1st half. Then he ran even more wild in the 2nd half. Cousins had 14 pass attempts this game. 14!! Remind anyone of a game last year? Everyone watching this game knew they were going to keep feeding Cook in the 2nd half. The recipe for defeating GB is out there for any team to see.

14 points
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TarynsEyes's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:55 pm

The ill prepared will have many looking for excuses.

4 points
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Lare's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:27 pm

Mike Pettine is simply one-dimensional as a DC. Makes it easier for other teams to game plan for you when your defense is one-dimensional.

1 points
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PhantomII's picture

November 01, 2020 at 06:45 pm

Pretty obvious when interviewed Shanahan could not figure out Pettine's multiple scheme so he said we were gonna run at it until they stop it. Still waiting on that one. If you are not worried about the run from excellent RB's who are very fast and shifty with excellent vision you are going to lose every time. Looks like keystone cops in a video game. I was all primed up knowing we need DT/S and hopefully a WR and that Gute was going to possibly pick up a DT and more likely a WR. A good WR will help the offense a lot. A good DT will help the DL a lot. If Gute does nothing like last year that's on Murphy.

2 points
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ImFubar's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:15 pm

All of you need to remember the basic coaching philosophy ' if something works keep doing it until the other team stops it, then try something else'. Pack never stopped cook. No need to throw when run game is gang Buster's.

4 points
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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:35 pm

One more: Nagler says:

"Tough game, again, from EQ. Gotta make a play."

Maybe, JUST maybe, it's ludicrous to expect day three draft picks to make tough catches on the reg like that? Remember when we asked Gunter to cover Julio Jones in 2016? No sense getting mad at him for getting killed like that. Julio was just that much better.

This is the same. Our. WRs. SUCK. Bitching about it won't make them better. Getting better players is the only solution. And that's on Gute.

16 points
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dobber's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:52 pm

The pass-catcher defenses respect after #17 is Jones. They kept the Packers receivers in check by mugging them regularly with a bunch of nobodies...

4 points
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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:00 pm

Yep. Because everyone (except some Gute Fanboys apparently) knows that our WRs other than 17 won't make them pay. Because they suck.

And also - just this morning there was an article here on CHTV talking about how great it was that we were making sure our top guys were healthy instead of risking them playing against nobodies. I said: "Yeah. You're saying that because we won. We'd all be singing a different tune if we'd lost those games."

Well, how we feelin now about Jones and Bakh and King sitting today?

9 points
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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 04:25 am

I had to log in just to upvote your comment the other day. Yup.

2 points
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packerbackerjim's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:53 pm

If Day 3 picks can’t make plays, then why have a 3 day draft?

3 points
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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:58 pm

Because every once in awhile, you get a Jones out of day 3.

The draft is a 4 round draft and advanced UDFA. Rounds 5-7 are just priority free agents.

3 points
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packerbackerjim's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:21 pm

There is a long list of day 3 players who shine. Our WRs tend to flicker.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:38 pm

Not compared to the number of players picked in rounds 5-7. It's a low percantage home run swing. MVS and EQ are described exactly that way (so is Jones btw). I have no problem with the MVS and EQ picks. I DO have a problem that Gute doubled down on them.

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 01, 2020 at 06:21 pm

You got that right. Jefferson was the guy I coveted in the draft and knew he would never fall that far. So disappointing that the Vikes got him.

2 points
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ImFubar's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:33 pm

Amen. St Brown was not that good at ND. Poor hands, oft injured and 31 other teams knew that and passed yet we're supposed to expect him to be the big target Rodgers covets. Ya he rarely throws to him which means he must suck in practice too. MVS and what year does he get better?

2 points
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TarynsEyes's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:37 pm

This is the type of crap I talk about.

I'm not trying to win people over.

I'm just trying to get your eyes and ears open to what this team is showing and telling you between the games against the lesser and the punchers. One man who didn't play week one torn this run defense apart a WON this game for Minn.

Week one against Minn isn't so glorious now and neither on the wins after until Tampa Bay. A rebound game against the 'shoot the themselves' Texans means even less now.

Thursday is going to be telling.

12 points
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Lphill's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:46 pm

Yes 2 losses in 5 days will be very telling , to the entire league , run Forrst run !

4 points
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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:38 pm

This team is no juggernaut. Just saying...

4 points
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TarynsEyes's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:18 pm

But so many believed they were when they were 4-0.

0 points
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NJ-RICK's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:39 pm

Its now obvious the Packers are not a playoff team. Their defense is SOFT and they are horrible tacklers. Where ever D Lowry lines up the opposing team runs the ball right at him. Aaron Rodgers didn't seem to upset congratulating the Vikings. No excuses the Packers are not a top 15 team in the NFL. Pettine should be replaced ASAP. Special teams looked lethargic. Really embarrassing, the Vikings only had Dalvin Cook and GB couldn't stop him on obvious downs. This team is in need of some help on the D-Line and at LB. Very poor performance by the Packers. I expect as the season goes on we will see opposing teams do the same expose their weak D-line and LB's. Maybe AR is ready to move else where as well.. Not a good day if your a die-hard Packer Fan & NFL owner.

18 points
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edp1959's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:45 pm

What an idiotic comment this team would be 0 - 6 without Rodgers.

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cockblock's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:39 pm

Thursday will define this team this year. The Niners have been devastated this year yet week to week players and coaches pull it together, do the packers have that in them? The heart of this team will be exposed Thur: night.

5 points
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edp1959's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:53 pm

This team is already defined. Rodgers has to carry them on his back again.

7 points
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dobber's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:55 pm

SF is a very physical team...even with key guys on the shelf, they're good defensively and can run the ball. Most of us had Thursday's game chalked up as an L before the season started. It's not looking any different now.

6 points
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PackfanNY's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:41 pm

We can talk all about wide receivers, resting RBs, hurt offensive lineman blah, blah blah.

This game came down to one glaring weakness. The Packers could not stop a talented running back even when it became apparent that said running back was getting the ball.

Should Pettine be the Defensive Coordinator? No. However, for years, it has been apparent that the Packers do not value run stopping middle linebackers. The issue was highlighted during the NFC Championship beat down. So what did the GM do to address the problem? Not much from what I can see. Ignore it and hope it goes away? A fourth round linebacker? No free agents. No D-lineman. Same players. Usually leads to same result.

Well what about the scheme? The HC nor the DC seem to have ignored the run stopping issue as best as I can tell. Defensive backs are 10 yards down the field. Linebackers sell out with bad angles. Just like the NFC Championship game everyone knew where the ball was going and yet nothing changed as the back ripped off huge gains. Unless someone gets serious about addressing the problem the ceiling just isn’t that high. Sad part is it’s probably too late to add anything at this point of the season to make a difference. A receiver may help us try to out score the other team but it won’t help stop the run. End rant.

19 points
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canadapacker's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:55 pm

Yes - to H ... with Fuller get somebody on the interior - time to bench P Smith - he looks like he put on too much weight and he cant run and gets pushed around to much - doesnt set the edge and then plays too far outside and lets guys run past him inside. He is not the mad mean tackling machine of last year.

4 points
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badaxed's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:20 pm

I blame howdy doody , gute, and the head coach for not getting rid of Pettine. Same storyline as nfl championship same results.

2 points
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13TimeChamps's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:43 pm

Derrick Henry has to be licking his chops right now waiting to play this "bend but don't break" defense later this year.

3 points
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Lare's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:51 pm

To me, it appears to be a "bend and always break" run defense.

4 points
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13TimeChamps's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:54 pm

Not always. But enough to keep us from the ultimate prize.

0 points
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nostradanus's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:45 pm

Amos, Martin, Alexander - good

Savage and the rest of the Defense - bad

Offensive game plan 2nd half - bad

Tight Ends - good

EQ & MVS - baddie

Let’s flush this turd and go get the 49ers Thursday

Go Pack!

2 points
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cpabandit's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:47 pm

The one thing I have not yet read in anyone's posts is that with 8 minutes to go and down by 14, why was Rodgers still running the clock down to one second? Too often he's had to waste a timeout because he took too long to break the huddle and get the ball snapped. But needing two scores and he continued to let the clock run. Am I missing something here?

9 points
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Lare's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:52 pm

Yeah, he doesn't have any WRs other that Adams to throw to.

3 points
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edp1959's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:55 pm

HaHaHa, this is the issue you have with the game. Good grief.

-9 points
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cpabandit's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:46 pm

edp1959 I have a lot of issues with the game. But why repeat and read the same thing over and over again? It adds nothing to the thread.

-1 points
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cpabandit's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:48 pm

We know about the defense, we know about the lack of receivers. We know who should be fired.

2 points
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ImFubar's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:28 pm

Yes its the zone d. Man coverage no problem, a zone with defenders moving around drives him nuts aka the bucks, the vikes in second half. He is using time to think.

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Lphill's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:19 pm

Steelers no Devin Bush , backup Spillane comes in and all he does is make plays, why does that not work forthe Packers?

3 points
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edp1959's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:34 pm

.

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canadapacker's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:51 pm

First off - I said that I always worry about playing Minnie in GB. Dont know why but maybe it dates back to Favre playing for Minnie or maybe because of Moss. In any case we absolutely did not have our best game. For you that think we need another receiver - please go away. Maybe we need another QB because AR missed some easy throws - maybe we need another play caller because the 2nd half was relatively benign - or maybe a new Oline coach because of the holding penalties. No as I said before we need some interior linebackers - definitely a better scheme. And just who is 91 and why is he standing around out there? Poor poor poor dumb - poor tackling poor coverage and poor pressure dumb OPI penalties. Now St Brown dropped one easy ball and could have and should have made a spectacular endzone catch - but too many in coverage targets to Adams - 7 catches on 15 targets - if he is doubled and tripled somebody else must be open. Too much holding the ball by AR - waiting for Adams. Better game plan - in the second half - when they stacked the box. Short week and on to San Fran - hoping that we have a good game there but not too optomistic after what our D showed us - especially because the San Fran O runs a lot of short passes to the tight ends and the backs - and we are brutal there as well.

5 points
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edp1959's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:36 pm

Without the current play caller this team would be 0 - 6. Guess you would like that.

1 points
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Thegravedigger's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:53 pm

This defense needs a leader. They come out flat, it happens. But who is rallying the troops? Whos yelling on the sideline? Against the texans they came out and played ball. They have the talent. Yes. They need to replace lowry and lamcaster. But also you have to recognize that we got 2 ticky tac pi calls on 3rd down that gave them 7. And one that they waved off for us that coulda led to our 7. Also. Give asshole zimmer credit for that screen play. Martin n barnes were in the backfield on b2b plays and the d was starting to get some life finally i thought. Then they sucked everyone in for another top 10 play of the season against this d.

10 points
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Christian Roussel's picture

November 01, 2020 at 03:55 pm

Man if only we had knew that the run defense would be this horrible and nobody behind Adams, Gutey could have fix this during offseason. Too bad.

13 points
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Lare's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:34 pm

Apparenttly, Gutekunst couldn't fix this in the offseason.

-2 points
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ImFubar's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:56 pm

Gutt is an idiot. Hey I watch M games and Gary was all hype no action. Prayed the pack would pass on this pos. When I heard Butt say Gary was his guy in feb before the combine I realized Gutt is a lazy stupid asshole who spends zilch time analyzing talent.
This BS ' we draft people who can play more then one position' ain't working..

2 points
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johngalt's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:02 pm

I kinda get the feeling that there will be no trade moves- No Fuller, no Quinnen. Ride out this year. Trade Rodgers to Jacksonville or NYJ for 2 1’s and a 3. Get some D players from the wrong side of the tracks, that play with some passion. Run the ball and keep the opposing team to fewer than 17- Garropolo/ Shanahan style. If not- nothing changes. This team is not 1 or 2 players away from a SB currently.

-1 points
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Tabin's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:10 pm

And we have a 1st round pick on the bench for 2 more years. Way better strategy than getting a DT or trade the pick for a great DT. I want them to win now I don´t care waht happens in 3 years. WIN NOW !!!! Win the SB this year If that means we are a terrible team for a couple seasons and we get to pick top 5 it is more than fine with me. I am sick of great seasons 1 SB is better than 10 play off seasons.

12 points
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Bure9620's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:41 pm

Glad you are not a GM

-4 points
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NickPerry's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:11 pm

I can NO LONGER get excited about this team as long as Pettine is the DC. THAT was a SHIT O-Line and the Packers got schooled. The 49ers, Colts, Titans, Panthers, and Eagles if Sanders is healthy are all going to take the Vikings SIMPLE game plan and run it up Pettines ass.

WHY in the HELL Can't Rodgers move his ass faster on that 3rd TD drive. EVERY snap was with less than 10 seconds left on the play clock and many times less than 5. I couldn't F'ing believe the leisurely attitude they had getting the ball snapped.

SHAME on ME for getting fooled once again by a 5-1 start. I actually thought once again they have a chance IF they could just end up with the best record in the NFC and the playoffs run through Lambeau. Now I'm not sure if they'll win the division.

15 points
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splitpea1's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:12 pm

Congratulations to Zimmer for not outsmarting himself with play-calling vs. the Packers. We have a defense that doesn't stress stopping the run or tackling, and a GM that steadfastly refuses to address the weaknesses on the DL. All Cousins had to do was get the ball to Cook: 163 yards and 3 TDs on the ground, and 63 yards and 1 TD in the air. So unfortunately, this kind of strategy should come as no surprise when you have a back as good as Cook is.

I don't know how severe the injury to A. Jones was, but it would have been nice to have his receiving ability out there, especially on that final drive.

I'm going to go contrarian here: I think we'll see a better effort against SF. I don't think we were looking past the Vikings, though--it's just that our run defense...is what it is. Sigh.

7 points
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Thegravedigger's picture

November 01, 2020 at 07:41 pm

I agree they will show up thursday. The defense has shown up every other week so far this year. 34 21 30 16 38 20 and 28. Notice a pattern. Scoring up down up down up down. Yeah of course theres a lot of factors. But watching from the couch i see a defense who gets embarassed one week and turns it up and plays better the next. As ive been saying on here, lack of coaching and leadership could be the reason they dont show up every week. They also need kenny clark to start doing his thing. I just watched javon hargrave blow up zeke in the backfield. Come on k clark? Where u at? Next play brandon graham sack for fumble on denucii. Where u at p smith???

2 points
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jhalwas611.com's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:14 pm

As most have commented on the defensive shortfalls I'll only note the lack of changes or adjustments in schemes. The lethargy on all fronts seemed to come out after halftime. Special teams have no life. On a bad snap and windy day the edge rushers didn't pressure. I'd like to see some life in this team that's been missing the last 2 weeks. Someone needs to step up and lead or someone needs to go.

4 points
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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:42 pm

Yeah, that PAT really showed the lack of effort. Someone needs to light a fire under this team.

2 points
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AndrewInAtlanta's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:22 pm

Is Preston Smith injured? Something’s up
TylerLancaster is a key component on our DL. Think about that
You have to think these guys weren’t prepared, right?...
Big dog with two holds, Jenkins with two holds, Rodgers over throwing folks (although he DID make some amazing throws), WTF?
I don’t know how anyone can look at this defense and think we go deep in the playoffs.
Still, I am starting to believe in Martin and Barnes as the answer inside...
But upfront...OMG we are bad
I wonder if we’ll do anything at the trade deadline
I fear we might be 5-3 in 4 days.
Still love these guys...always!

6 points
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stockholder's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:24 pm

Lowrey has got to Go!! BG you are the worst GM since Sherman! Lan Caster, Clarke, and Adams, use your Pads. Can we call Williams and Veldheer? Please! Fuller is a FIT!

1 points
3
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Lphill's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:24 pm

Aaron and Corey will call out Lefluer this week by asking him about his favorite ice cream.

7 points
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Lare's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:01 pm

As long as he mentions Star Wars he knows he won't get any hard questions about Pettine & why the defense can't stop the run..

2 points
3
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Patrick's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:29 pm

The Pack can't win a game against the vikings at home?? Pitiful way to play, it opens the door for the bears, they will beat the saints and win the division.

1 points
2
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4thand1's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:34 pm

WTF,WTF,WTF,SOB,WTF

3 points
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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:36 pm

Pettine reminds me of McCarthy. He has a gameplay that has worked at times, but when it doesn't work anymore he just sticks with the same plan. No adjustments. No creativity. Time for MLF to bring in his own guy.

9 points
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ImFubar's picture

November 01, 2020 at 09:10 pm

He has no game plan other then the same crap different team?

-1 points
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NickPerry's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:09 am

"Time for MLF to bring in his own guy." In year 1 MLF was saddled with him because he did improve the defense. Pettine was shredded and should have been replaced. I'm quite certain MLF was told he should keep him another year.

Get one of these young whiz kids around the league who are turning defenses around in a year. The dinosaurs are dead!

0 points
0
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badaxed's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:46 pm

Pettine sucks! Fire his ass now!

1 points
1
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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:47 pm

Packers RB's were averaging about 4.5 ypc.

Pass/run play distribution was 41/22

Why did the Packers end the day with a 70/30 pass-run ratio on a day where the RB's were effective?

2 points
3
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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 04:51 pm

Packers came into the game today averaging 25 points per game over their last 3 games played. Only scored 22. Deviation of 3 points.

Vikings were averaging 26.7 over their last 3 games. They scored 28. Deviation of 1.3 points.

Packers offense actually 'failed' more so than the Packers defense 'failed' today.
It's no secret the Packers run defense is weak. I want to understand what happened to the offense.

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edp1959's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:16 pm

Just pure ignorance if you believe this loss is on the offense. What a stupid comment, you have won the award.

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:45 pm

You prove time and time again you don’t understand football. Please go squeak at someone else.

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:46 pm

Double post

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Packers0808's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:06 pm

I think it is time to get the "grave digger" out of retirement!

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Thegravedigger's picture

November 01, 2020 at 07:58 pm

My pops said that today. Id settle for howard green

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Buckywunder's picture

November 02, 2020 at 11:28 pm

If Gutekunst doesn’t make a move (or *shudder* two!) at the trade deadline, the stockholders should file a class-action suit against the Packers on the grounds of negligence ...

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johngalt's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:42 pm

Your the guy wearing his mask driving in your truck alone.

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Archie's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:42 pm

We've seen this movie before - defense can't stop the run despite improvement from ILB and the other team's defense limited the damage from DA17 by keeping him tightly surrounded most of the time.

Solution to #1 - add better DL and possibly OLB.

Solution to #2 - add a quality WR2.

That said, I look forward to Lazard's return and I am not down on EQ. Nice catch before smashing his elbows into frozen turf and on ball in endzone he might have caught it had his last step not been to go towards the DB who was beaten on the play. AR12's throw was on the money. I still think EQ has a bright future.

So let's trade away before the deadline.

btw - as a whole - lifeless - was the perfect word to describe play of Packers today.

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pacman's picture

November 01, 2020 at 08:13 pm

"Man, you come right out of a comic book"

You have no problem with a WR that drops the ball when he hits the ground or one that can't track the ball???

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flackcatcher's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:42 pm

Random thoughts: Division game, division game, division game. A lot of fantasy boards are going to be wrecked this week. Vikings decided that this was the week that the light went on. NUTS! That Cook when healthy is really special. Packers missed Raven Greene, their weak side was exposed all game long. First week Pettine has played a straight 3-4. Bet it will be the last too. Smith Bros. Gap control. MLF exposed second half on offensive adjustments. AGAIN. Never thought the wind would be a Viking fan. Hey, the prevent worked. (first time for everything) I need a beer...

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MarkinMadison's picture

November 01, 2020 at 05:58 pm

Pettine screwed the pooch. Windy day. Mediocre QB. How many times did he load eight in the box? Play man and make cousins beat you. Maddening.

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

November 02, 2020 at 02:51 am

This for sure!! When wind conditions make throwing the ball difficult why would you not concentrate on shutting down the run? Jaire is good enough to cover Thelan or Jefferson. Give some help to Jackson to cover the other. Dare Cousins to throw the ball.

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Williowman's picture

November 01, 2020 at 06:25 pm

I agree it was embarrassing. Plus they played with NO pride and no will to win. They let Cook run all over them then they let him due the leap and sit there for 5 minutes it didn't seem to bother them at all NO pride. In the beginning of the 4th quarter Roger's is seen laughing and joking and slapping the Vikings all this while being down 14 points. No sense of urgency no sense will to win NO SENSE OF PRIDE. This was bad loss all the way around.

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PyschoDad3's picture

November 01, 2020 at 07:54 pm

10 years. 10 painful years and still not a fix or anything like a defense on that side of the ball for this team. Oh,, and now we get to go San Francisco, the scene of 2 debacles last season, the second of which some guy who was hardly on anyone's radar trashed the defense for 200 + yards rushing? You know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Think I'll be just checking box scores for the future. Playoffs? You talking about Playoffs?,,,,

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ImFubar's picture

November 01, 2020 at 09:26 pm

This was a cock soaking POS game coached by a fckng an ass licking defensive cunthead who doesn't know defensive schemes from the rear end of a dog's ass.
Now less discuss Petines bad points.........

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

November 02, 2020 at 02:57 am

There is really no reason to allow a vulgar, profane comment like this to remain posted. This particular commenter has proven time after time that he is incapable of making a point without resorting to disgusting references to body parts and excrement.

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