Gut Reactions: Packers 44 Jets 38

Aaron's gut reactions from the Packers win over the Jets. 

  • If anyone is wondering what it was like to watch Lynn Dickey's Packers teams, it was a lot like that. 
  • That was a hell of a performance by Aaron Rodgers. 
  • Montravious Adams had a really solid game. 
  • The Packers have something in Tony Brown. 
  • Ron Zook should be fired then re-hired so they can fire him again. 
  • The Packers looked like they had their bags packed during the first quarter. 
  • Luckily, they play four. 
  • Jamaal Williams is becoming one of my favorite Packers. The guy is just a hell of a football player. 
  • KUMEROW!!!!
  • That 3rd and 1 where all the WRs went streaking down the field and Rodgers ran around before throwing a last second toss incomplete was the most 2018 Packers Offense play of the year. 
  • The Packers got so, so lucky on a number of ticky tack calls. 
  • But then the Jets got their own on that Bulaga hold at the end. 
  • Which is fine because then we got to see that dart to Adams for the win. 
  • Corey Linsley is so good at his job. 
  • Fantastic sack by Martinez. 
  • Go Pack. 
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Bearmeat's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:10 pm

This effen team can't even lose when they're supposed to. DAMN IT.

Yeah. I said it. I want Josh Allen from UK, and we'll need to be top 10 for that.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:16 pm

Totally agree

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:17 pm

Now the top Edge and OT are sure to be off the board. But they just barely beat the Jets with the help of like 20,000 yards in penalties. So that's, um, well. IDK WTF that is. I'm sure some Packers fans are stoked.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:30 pm

Exxxxactly. This is a bad team that needs a lot of help who barely managed to beat a somewhat worse team. Meh.

Give me the 2nd best pass rusher on the board instead, please.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:49 pm

Why does one of the best teams in the league at getting to the QB need to spend a premium pick on an edge rusher?

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Bearmeat's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:51 pm

Cause they're not one of the best teams in the league at winning one on one's. The DC is very innovative with blitzes. Unfortunately, that puts too much pressure on your secondary - as we have seen.

No thanks. Give me a pass rusher who can win vs. a LT please.

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Coldworld's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:45 pm

Blitzing removes coverage... if you have noticed, we are not good at consistent pressure even with both original starting DTs playing.

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Guam's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:11 pm

Precisely! Our greatest need is an edge rusher.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:02 pm

Kyler Fackrell will be back next year. So will Nick Perry because we can’t afford to release or trade him. That’s 2 of the 4 on our game day 21.

So we clearly have room to add somebody even IF we keep Matthews, as some folks would like.

We get very good pressure with our existing group. And blitzing does put a premium on having some guys who can cover, and that’s why I think adding a premium cover guy is a higher priority than another edge rusher, especially when we cannot put 4 healthy, quality guys on the field in our secondary. Pass defense starts with coverage and if you watched that rookie pick us apart you know we can’t

And I would argue that very few guys win against good LTs, period. They do their damage against the weak links like stiffs and backups and guys playing hurt.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:12 pm

old school....you are so full of it....there was not one sack on Darnold...and an aggressive pass rush TOTALLY trumps a shut down secondary....EVERY TIME!!!!.....Football 101....WE NEED PASS RUSHERS!!!!!....

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:13 pm

Um...Martinez and Fackrell each sacked Darnold once.

I still think they need pass rushers.

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NickPerry's picture

December 24, 2018 at 05:17 am

Old School you're not posting at Packers.com anymore. We'll actually call BS on a comment.

Cutting Perry still frees up $3.6 million of cap space. If you look at the difference of dead cap space between cutting Perry in 2019 vs 2020 it's not that much AND it sure beats the hell out of having a $14.7 million in 2019 if they kept him!!

Perry's 2019 salary....$14.7 million cap hit...$11.1 million dead cap...Cap savings of $3.6 million

Perry's 2020 salary...$14.3 million cap hit...$7.4 in dead cap space...

Cut his ass in 2019 and get OUT of that HORRIBLE contract!!

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HankScorpio's picture

December 24, 2018 at 06:53 am

They are finally at the point where they don't have to pay (much) of a cap penalty to cut Perry. He's due $11 mil in new money and has $11.1 remaining in SB. Those are the two numbers that really matter. That means he's no longer effectively guaranteed a roster spot.

I think he will be cut. To me, the only question is whether they take the entire $11,1 mil hit this year or designate him a post June-1 cut to pay $3.7 mil in 2019 and $7.4 mil in 2020. I'd lean toward a post June-1 designation on the theory that a rising cap will mean the $7.4 mil in question is a smaller cap % in 2020 than in 2019. But that may be influenced by how they view the 2019 and 2020 FA classes.

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NickPerry's picture

December 24, 2018 at 12:13 pm

Thanks for the clarification. I'd rather see it split over 2019, and 2020 too.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:14 pm

Yeah, this is definitely a case where aggregate stats don't tell the whole story.

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slackr93's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:19 pm

Right because high draft picks ALWAYS pan out right?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:37 pm

There was this Nova that I watched where they were doing a psychological experiment on three year olds. They sat the kids down at a table and they give them one jelly bean. Then they told the kids if they didn't eat the one jelly bean after two minutes that they could have five jelly beans. Well, most of the kids couldn't wait two minutes to get five jelly beans. They just had to eat the one jelly bean right away. I'll let you figure out how that applies to the situation.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:47 pm

It doesn't apply. This is football, not jelly bean eating.

Draft picks later in the round are worse. So is letting a losing mentality take root. All we know after today is where a lot of people stand on which of those two is more important.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:54 pm

Totally applies. It's a dead ringer.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:04 pm

We all see what we want to see. If you want to see how kids and jellybeans relates to Pro Football, you will. Because it re-inforces what you already think.

For people that view things differently, it's a stretch to see.

In reality, there is no guaranteed "5 jelly beans" from picking 11 or better. Maybe they will get another Jamal Reynolds or another JJ Watt. Maybe dropping to 15 will get them another Jason Pierre-Paul or maybe it will another Justin Harrell. If you say you know how it will unfold, you're lying to me or yourself. So the basic premise falls down under the most basic examination. The experiment dealt in guarantees. The NFL does not.

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pooch's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:36 pm

Maybe we hit without a spaceout Ted making picks

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:49 pm

It seams like you are trying to convince me that the probability of getting a good player does not go down when you have a lower pick. And that is 100% nonsense.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:04 pm

Jeremy, this Hank guy likes to hammer his beliefs on pretty much everyone here that doesn't agree with him. He's a little whacky but otherwise harmless.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:52 pm

Hey, Pot?
This is kettle...

You're black.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:12 pm

please dobber, keep the racist comments out of here.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:25 pm

I'll do what I can.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:17 pm

It's good to see that you have come around to the reality that there is no guarantee of 5 jelly beans that the Packers passed up today. All they are facing as a "consequence" of winning is a bit longer odds.

Take a look at the Jets win probability at about the 12 minute mark of the 4th Q. Then check the final score. That will reveal why I'm not obsessed with better probability in the draft. Heck, they can even trade down from where ever they land for all I care. If they end up moving down a bit, adding a 2020 #1 and getting someone as good as Jaire Alexander, to hell with the odds. That's a good outcome.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:16 pm

hank...you're an idiot....

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:33 pm

Opinions have varied over the years. There are many that agree with you, for sure. If you feel better for saying, I'm happy for you.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:16 pm

lol.... BigCheeze..

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:08 pm

jjjb wins the internet on this one. Although it's fair to point out the kids who were unable to control impulses and delay gratification went on to highly successful careers in sales and marketing.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:19 pm

Except that we don't get the jelly beans...

We don't get 5 if we 'wait'.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:51 pm

It absolutely applies 100%

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:14 pm

A better draft pick = better odds. That's it. There is no guarantees in the NFL. You know it and I know it.

You know what has even better odd of helping that Packers than the difference between 10 and 15? Aaron Rodgers playing like an MVP candidate. He did today. And it was a joy to watch for me. It's a shame you missed out on that joy.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:17 pm

No, it's not. Because this team ain't winning a title without help on the right side of the line, at TE, at OLB (x2) and possibly both safety spots. And that's assuming health and ARod playing like he's capable.

Give me the better odds, please.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:38 pm

I get it. You care about the draft pick odds more than winning all the time. I'm more about winning all the time and let the draft picks fall where they may.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:13 pm

That is fine, but you tried to deny the draft odds argument initially. I think winning begets confidence on an individual basis, not so much for a team. I buy that having confidence makes an individual play better. IIRC there are studies that suggest that momentum on a team basis isn't a reality, which surprised me.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:51 pm

"That is fine, but you tried to deny the draft odds argument initially."

That's not true. Maybe I was clumsy in expressing myself. It wouldn't be the first time that happened.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:07 pm

Maybe I had a reading comprehension failure. Wouldn't be the first time for that either when I go too fast.

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ricky's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:32 pm

So, would you package the two firsts and a third for a slot that you could get the guy you want? Or, if not, how much would you give up to get the guy you want? One only, because it would take a lot to move up a few spots. Not trying to be argumentative, just asking how much you want a certain player in the draft.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:55 pm

I’m glad you find joy. As an ex-coach, I’m seeing a guy throwing off his back foot and being off target. I’m seeing a guy who gets caught more often because he’s not as quick as he was.

Getting a successor on the roster should be priority #1 this offseason,

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:11 pm

He completed 67.2% today. I'll take being 'off target' like that any time.

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NickPerry's picture

December 24, 2018 at 05:21 am

Ex-Coach of what? Squirts or Pee-Wee? Oh wait, that's Hockey.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:17 pm

WOW.....WHAT NONSENSE.....

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:16 pm

Bearmeat, these people are insane. You can't reason with them. They are actually getting joy out of a preseason win and think it somehow means something bigger. They actually believe it. lol The team that was on the field today was equivalent to scab football players in 1982 and Rodgers was the one real guy that crossed the line and decided to play. It was Rodgers vs. the JV squad. As Taryn said, "Yippee".

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:41 pm

Actually, you mean you cannot hammer them into taking up your beliefs at the expense of their own.

Welcome to the Internet.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:24 pm

Hammerin' Hank? I think I just found the perfect name for you. All you do is hammer on everyone that doesn't agree with you. Thank you for that Hammerin' Hank.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:36 pm

I'll just leave this here....

Dash Riprock says:
December 22, 2018 at 02:08 am
Because people need to actually see the numbers. You don't believe it Dobber that's why. This poll is for you. You are the guy who said to play Rodgers at all costs. You said so in the beginning. I think you are wrong. I think most people if they were honest could give a damn about these next two games and if sitting Rodgers helps Green Bay move up and have a better chance at getting a superstar player to help them next season and down the road, they are all in. THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE....

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Archie's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:43 pm

Anyone remember Tony Mandarich vs Troy Aikman? Lose and take Aikman, win and take Mandarich. Well, the odds were Aikman was the better player but no guarantee. Turned out the odds were right. In the long run, all else being equal e.g., assuming no difference in the abilities of the pickers, the higher pick will yield the better player. Is it always true? Of course not. Why? Because often all else is not equal. Tom Bratz blew it on Tony M because he discounted the likelihood than Mandarich was so dominant in college because he was on steroids and that once drafted, he would cease taking steroids. When you are picking that high in the draft, and there are say, 10 top talents, do not take the players with the more obvious and more significant risks. As Lindy Infante said on draft day morning, "Although scouts tell me he is slow, I never saw anybody catch Sanders from behind." Yes, Lindy was right, Barry Sanders was the rare once in a generation talent and Tony Mandarich was a fraud. But, Mr. Braatz made the biggest mistake in Packer draft history and drafted Tony M. Had the Pack not won a meaningless game at the end of the year, they would have selected Troy Aikman and avoided the Mandarich blunder altogether. I hope this helps you better understand the probabilistic nature of drafting and how drafting a bust at #2 doesn't equate to the draft is a random lottery anyway so it doesn't matter where you pick. In fact, I believe this fallacious way thinking lead Ted Thompson to conclude that trading down was always a good thing because it gave you more bites at the apple. Wrong!

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:50 pm

Well said Archie!!

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Lare's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:59 pm

Just think of where the Patriots would be today without all those low draft picks to take advantage of.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:08 pm

Just think where the Patriots would be without Tom Brady.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:56 pm

Wasn’t Brady a lo draft pick?

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jeepingmakooi's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:38 pm

7th round

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CrispyATX's picture

December 24, 2018 at 07:47 am

How many super bowl rings does Barry Sanders have?

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:38 pm

Whoa, Old School off the canvas, and after a standing 8-count, lands a solid body shot! Well done, bud.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:29 pm

"Anyone remember Tony Mandarich vs Troy Aikman? "

Yes. Both were wrong. The two best players in that draft were Barry Sanders and Deion Sanders.

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11Bravo1p's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:35 pm

Had the Packers won 2 meaningless games at the end of 1988, instead of 1 meaningless game, Mandarich would have been off the board and the Packers would have drafted a rare once in a generation talent not named Aikman. Barry Sanders went 3rd, Derrick Thomas went 4th, and Deion Sanders was number 5.

No one is saying that draft position doesn't matter, but I'm not going to be miserable because the Packers won a hard fought game. And I'm rooting for the Packers to win a second meaningless game against Detroit next week.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:07 pm

What nobody ever says is: what if the Packers lost that game, drafted first, and STILL took Mandarich?

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

December 23, 2018 at 11:31 pm

but if they drafted Aikman in '89, I doubt the Pack would have made the trade for Favre '92. IMO, I'd much rather have Brett over Troy, Mandarich be damned.

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johngalt's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:45 pm

Dash rip rock..- you’re kind of a bummer.

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Lare's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:22 pm

kind of?

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Demon's picture

December 24, 2018 at 07:39 am

Dash next year when Tim Boyle is the NFC probowl QB maybe some of us will believe what it is you have to say.

Until then it just looks like a bunch of mindless drivel.

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:36 pm

Mmmm, jelly beans.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:44 pm

I saw that Nova too. One kid actually waited, and they gave him 5 jelly beans. He was soo excited. You could see on his face how good those jelly beans were going to taste.

And the Ron Zook came in, spilled the tray with the beans on it and got promoted to head bean counter.

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CAG123's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:45 pm

I wanted Allen too but Sweat is a good consolation prize it’s not like there is a guarantee that Allen will be a star might as well go out there and play with some heart.

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stockholder's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:59 pm

@Bear. Even if they lose. They'll take a Dix again.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:17 pm

HA HA

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CAG123's picture

December 23, 2018 at 11:07 pm

Can’t you apply that logic to any game? Really doesn’t make sense when you think about it. At the end of the day the Packers made the plays in the 4th and the Jets didn’t why can’t it be that simple?

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Rak47's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:49 pm

They barely beat the Jets on overtime and had a dozen and a half calls go in their favor. This win was nothing to be excited about and they really would've lost without so many calls going their way.

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Slim11's picture

December 23, 2018 at 10:38 pm

Followed the game on-line. I'm under the impression the Packers didn't win as much as the Jets gave the game away. Is that a fair assumption?

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 11:51 pm

You are correct Slim.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 11:42 pm

Rak em'!!

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:11 pm

My gut reaction is that AR looked like he's got a big chip on his shoulder in that post-game interview. The kind of chip that will fuel him for at least two years.

And I like it!

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NickPerry's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:22 pm

I remember this past draft screaming at my TV for the Packers to pick EBS from the 4th round on. With the RIGHT OC/HC I think he can be the best of the 3 picked. He's got damn good hands and is smart as hell. Once he knows what the hell he's doing 100% of the time, the Packers will have really gotten a steal. Maybe a better steal than Martinez was a few years ago.

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December 23, 2018 at 05:31 pm

He had a big-time game today before getting knocked out of it. I hope he's ok to play one more next week.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:52 pm

I wonder why the NFL bothered creating an ejection rule.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:43 pm

The ejection rule keeps the NFL on pace with the WWE in terms of enforcement and participant safety. The Rules Committee needed to find something to agree on in an attempt to justify its existence.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:48 pm

The guy didn't use a folding chair = no ejection.

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Lare's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:12 pm

I know this pisses off a lot of Rodgers haters and Vikings fans, but the Packers finally won a game on the road. IMO, you always play to win.

In the words of Tony Mandarich and Mark Tauscher, "Draft position doesn't always dictate how good a player will be."

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:18 pm

Yeah & we just missed out on Ray Lewis.
And Harrison Smith...by 1 pick.
And never had a chance at edges like Von Miller & Khalil Mack....oh wait, Mack...

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Lare's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:42 pm

Sorry that the Packers winning is so disappointing to you.

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NickPerry's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:17 pm

NO...The Packers DIDN'T miss on Harrison Smith...Thompson F'ed it up just like most of his last 4 or 5 drafts. and picked the wrong dude.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/draft.htm

Sorry Eddie but I have this issue of letting things go and this pick of Perry over Smith still haunts me...Just like King over Watt.

BTW...What a game!!!! Glad Packers won, especially the way they did! Rodgers showed he still has PLENTY!

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:42 pm

What about Justin Harrell over Greg Olsen

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Rossonero's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:03 pm

Nick Perry: What's even more baffling is that we had already lost Nick Collins to his neck injury during the 2011 season and I'm sure knew in advance that they didn't want to keep Woodson around for $10M+ per year.

Why on earth would Ted pass on Harrison Smith? Ugh.

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PeteK's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:00 pm

Overall Thompson was one of the best GMs, do the comparison around the league. He missed on some ,but hit on more than most. How quickly we forget.

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December 23, 2018 at 11:57 pm

Agree PeteK. it's a shame so many of people here are so disrespectful towards Ted Thompson. I hope some of these people live in permanent and perpetual hell with Judge Parins and Tom Braatz running the show.

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NickPerry's picture

December 24, 2018 at 05:48 am

Pete you have to split Ted's career into 2 or 3 parts while in Green Bay...

From 2005 to say 2010 he was deadly, especially in middle rounds. After 2010 to say 2014 not nearly as good but a few gems. BUT from 2015 to 2017 he was absolutely horrendous. What we're seeing now is the result of Thompsons misses BUT Gute is quickly turning over the roster. It's already much, much faster.

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Buckywunder's picture

December 24, 2018 at 07:51 am

From 2015 to 2017 GB had a GM who was developing dementia.

Haven’t you folks been reading the reports of Ted’s failing health? It’s a coin toss whether he’ll attend his own Packer HOF induction ceremony...

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NickPerry's picture

December 24, 2018 at 12:19 pm

Well if that's truly the case then Mark Murphy should have been shown the door BEFORE McCarthy.

If Murphy wasn't able to tell Thompson was developing dementia then I surely don't want him hiring the next HC or anywhere near the Packers Organization.

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CAG123's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:13 pm

God this team gives me f**king heartburn even in a meaningless game! I’m sorry but I’m just not a fan of tanking for picks that’s such a losers mentality to me and I’m glad they won and played with some pride seeing Rodgers play like was refreshing now on to the Lions and not getting swept!

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:21 pm

It makes it easier to hold it up to my kids when I tell them that you play to win or you don't play at all.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:45 pm

I really think that winning a meaningless game at the expense of better long term odds of drafting a top talent at a rare position is a defeat.

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CAG123's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:08 pm

Thank you Dobber because I was wondering what some of these guys teach their kids about winning and losing and always giving it your best.

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CAG123's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:31 pm

You know it doesn’t really matter let’s say they lose this game and get Allen and he’s a bust then you’ll just say they should have drafted such and such. For every top 10 pick that makes I can give you one that didn’t it all comes down to players and where they fit.

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johngalt's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:51 pm

Agreed CAG. At some fundamental level- the way you play the game is really the most important thing. Winning is fleeting- but how you play reveals your true character. That’s why guys like Joe Thomas are role models. Played at a high level- no matter what. Tanking is toxic. It’s what losers do, and it embodies a loser’s mentality. I loved watching the game today. To each his own, but It’s strange seeing “fans” gripe about winning. If you gave these people a stack of $20’s, they piss and moan cuz they aren’t $50’s.

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KenEllis's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:13 pm

The crappy Packers beat the even crappier Jets. Yippee.

No one will ever remember this game except next Spring during the NFL draft when we draft lower.

Aaron celebrating a victory over the lowly Jets like it meant something just demonstrates how low this team has sunk.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:16 pm

I'll remember. I still remember the shootout win over the Redskins on MNF in the 80s. Not every detail, of course. But I remember. It was one heck of a lot of fun to watch.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:33 pm

Wow... Yes this team has hit the struggle bus but anytime a team can come together and win... Is a good thing and they needed a road win in the worst way.. just to get that feeling of a road win... I'd much rather this team get the last two wins in the face of so many injuries and this game included... It's good for the team.

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Coldworld's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:48 pm

Hardly a starter on D after the first quarter had a lot to do with it today.

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Buckywunder's picture

December 24, 2018 at 08:02 am

Disagree.

What’s this year’s script been? Packers have played good, competitive football in the first half (incl. against several playoff teams) only to collapse in the second half.

I think the reason AR — and some of the fans here — are “excited” is that they broke from that script today. The way that a team wins is by *figuring out* how to win. Winning begets winning. That’s an important core lesson for the young players to learn from the vets like AR, Davante and Tramon...

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Altered Idol's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:14 pm

Seeing so many fans wanting us to lose for a better draft pick, which just isn't my style. I was pleased with the efforts and the road win, a year on from our last. We needed that remedied and we just about did that.

I don't think we saw anything today that would make us rethink the need for a significant overhaul but it was nice to see the rookie WR and Kumerow have good games, as well as Jamaal Williams.

There are still plenty of holes on this team and alot of decisions to make. But at least we won't end the season without a roadwin. They kept playing, even with nothing to play for. Glad to see it.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:35 pm

St. Brown was a having a solid game until he was taken out of the game. And seeing td Jesus playing well was Nice. Hopes for next year

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Archie's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:57 pm

Philbin showed today he is a much better HC than McCarthy. The offense looked good and unpredictable in long spurts. Glad to see him use Kumerow more and give MVS and ESB more targets. Play calling was so much better. We overcame a rather weak defense today, just like during the Capers era, except for good reason i.e., defense is really banged up.

Despite my kudos to Philbin today, count me as a big NO on keeping Philbin as HC. The track record on interim HCs is not good and the Miami debacle is the proof in the puddin. Let's see if we can repeat this offensive performance next week. I'm thinking we will. But so what, it is all meaningless once you are eliminated from contention, other than losing ground on draft day, which is what matters in the long run. I've long thought the NFL should have a draft lottery for the non-playoff teams. Would be fairer and would end the arguments over whether to act against your own self-interest and win games after being mathematically eliminated from contention.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:11 pm

I would argue that the thing that he did today that MM couldn't do recently is get ARod to use the whole field and play a more complete game. ARod played WITHIN the offense today more than he tried to BE the offense.

I agree: Philbin is coaching for his next job somewhere and should not be retained by the Packers. In my mind, it didn't matter how well he coached these four games, he needed to be swept out with most of the coaching staff. Maybe some other HC out there will look at these last two games if ARod plays well and decide Philbin could be his OC. He's a good guy in a place where they don't need a good guy, they need a great coach. I still wish him well.

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

December 23, 2018 at 09:43 pm

Dobber said: “I would argue that the thing that he did today that MM couldn't do recently is get ARod to use the whole field and play a more complete game. ARod played WITHIN the offense today more than he tried to BE the offense.”

I wonder if the credit goes to Philbin, or to AR for listening to his critics and taking it to heart. Regardless, it was nice that AR played well.

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4thand10's picture

December 24, 2018 at 08:01 am

Thought it was nice to see a fullback being used. I don’t remember his name and I’m too lazy to look right now but he caught a pass in the flat which was impressive, played well on ST even though our special teams coverage stinks.

I thought Philbin and AR called a good game.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:38 pm

And what a game by Jamal Williams...150 total offense and a TD. Early on, he was one of the only guys that looked interested in playing.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:52 pm

This is a guy who many wanted to see buried on the bench so that Aaron Jones could get all the carries. Best game by a Packer RB this season.

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:42 pm

Please, stop saying stupid things, Old School. Many wanted the Packers to stop burying Aaron Jones on the bench this season.

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Coldworld's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:52 pm

The fact is, the real problem is the inability to use two complimentary backs in a viable fashion. MM never really managed that, and the drive on, drive off, regardless of the game situation was farcical. Result, neither either RB or the team achieved their potential. Looking for this to be a big area of improvement next year.

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Archie's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:59 pm

Jamal Williams would be the Roger Craig in a real WCO run game.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:00 pm

Even when Jones was starting people were calling for him to get more carries and give Williams fewer. That’s truth, amigo.

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:16 pm

Agreed. Jones was doing a lot more than Williams with a lot fewer carries. That’s truth, compadre.

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PeteK's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:03 pm

Your both right, every team needs two backs especially when one might be injury prone.

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:17 pm

Yep. Plus some additional depth, either on the 53 or on the PS.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:47 pm

So true, my crusty caballero.

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4thand10's picture

December 24, 2018 at 08:07 am

He can run, block and catch....that’s exactly what ANY football team absolutely needs. For every scatback type player ( Jones) you need a good pounder and all purpose back. Williams put up good numbers against the Bears TWICE. At the end of the season he looks fresh.

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WilsonMaywick's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:15 pm

It was great to see the championship belt from Rodgers...been way too long. Go Pack!

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Bearmeat's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:02 pm

LOL. Seeing "The Belt" from a team who's been eliminated from the playoffs is just a sad joke. Especially the way Rodgers has "led" this year.

Frigging. Pathetic.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:19 pm

Let's look at it a couple of ways, Bearmeat:

1. Made me a little nauseous when he did it. If ever there was a time to act like you've been there before, that was it. That overpaid baby-man has nothing to celebrate until he's MVP *and* brings Lombardi Trophies 5 and 6 to Lambeau. Only then may he celebrate.

OR

He was just like a kid out there! Just like good ol' Brefarv, playing a kid's game in a big sandlot, having fun. That's the great thing about Rodgers, he's having fun and it rubs off on his teammates! Boy it was good to see enthusiasm from him again!

Pretty easy to make a case either way, but as far as how he "led" - the man played hurt. That's enough for me.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:23 pm

I was in both places, too. I thought it made him look like a douche...but the fact that he was getting some joy out of the game was important.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:22 pm

Bearmeat, looks like it's your turn for the mic. Preach!! Go get em'. We got your back!!!

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:56 pm

"We got your back!!!"

"We", Dash? Voices in your head again, little buddy? Alright, go ahead and saunter over to the mirror to do your best Travis Bickle. You know it always makes you feel better.

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PeteK's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:59 pm

How can a win be pathetic ! Especially with some young players stepping up(Lancaster is a brawler) . We had a high pick last year, and good fortune we didn't pick Davenport as apposed to Alexander.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:16 pm

I tend to agree, but Davenport--for a rookie who they said needed a lot of work to be much more than a guy relying on athleticism to win in the NFL--hasn't been terrible.

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4thand10's picture

December 24, 2018 at 08:16 am

Rodgers doesn’t need to act like he’s been there before of behave a certain way. He has nothing to prove. Lack of SBs right now is not a result of AR. Is he a perfect QB? No. But would you rather have Turdbiskut leading the team? AR did lead, it’s a young packers team and he is showing them he wants to win. That is the very definition of setting an example. By not setting in a losers mentality.

Look at the Bears...signed players, have all the coaches people here liked and the funny part is they are still not going to make it to the big dance. Book it.

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PeteK's picture

December 24, 2018 at 10:58 am

Yes, he might develop, but 12 tackles 2 sacks for such a high pick is not good.

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beercheese's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:15 pm

This game makes me wonder if Philbin is an inept play caller, or as suspected it was Rodger ego that was controlling the play calling all season long. I had to shake my head when the announcer (Barber) made the comment after an obvious run play where Rodgers threw it out to the WR on the right for a 4 or 5 yard gain, he said something to the effect "there's the brilliance of Rodgers, rather then pound your head against a wall and run it in there, he throws it out there for an easy 5 yards" and at the time, Williams was averaging 8 YPcarry and Adams was averaging 5 YPcatch. It's Rodgers ego that keeps this team from running the ball.... makes the offense one dimensional.... wears out our defense because of time of possessions. Frustrating.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:48 pm

Aypc doesn't mean he was going to get 5+ that play...

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beercheese's picture

December 23, 2018 at 11:27 pm

that's not point, the point is all season long this team becomes one dimensional. When you don't run the ball, you don't control the clock. You don't give your linemen a chance to fire out and punish the D-line, they're always on their heels to pass protect. Since Rodgers is not capable or unwilling to check the ball down or converting first downs, just wants to go for the home run ball, it just keeps wearing down our defense.

You're right in the fact that a run may not have resulted in 5 yards.... it could have been 10 or 20 yards.

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edp1959's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:16 pm

Last week this time there was already 50 comments posted to this article trashing a old and washed up QB. Where are they today?

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:19 pm

I'm not going to sugar coat this. Other than 1988 GB at AZ, this was probably the 2nd worst win in Packers history.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:33 pm

What was bad about that win? It's doubtful that Aikman would have done as well in GB without Emmitt Smith, that road-grader OL and a defense as good as the Cowboys had. Sterling Sharpe and Michael Irvin came from the same draft class and I thought Sharpe was way better before he career was cut short so I won't include Irvin. But Jimmy Johnson vs Lindy Infante is another reason to believe that Aikman was surrounded by resources he might not have seen in GB.

The Mandarich pick in many ways set the table for Harlan making the choice to bring in Ron Wolf. And we all know the history that flowed from that pick. Short term pain brought long-term gain.

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Lare's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:45 pm

So much melodrama, so little time.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:54 pm

There is no such thing as an ugly baby or a bad win.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:25 pm

I've seen some pretty heinous babies in my time...

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:45 pm

I think he meant snugly baby.

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Swisch's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:24 pm

Whatever any of us thought before kickoff, I guess this is why to play Aaron Rodgers. His presence and ability gave all of the other guys on offense an opportunity to grow, and the fantastic finish gave the team a moment and a momentum that can carry into next season.
Life is short, and the NFL season is shorter. There's only 16 regular-season games in 365 days. Gotta make each game count, a special event, an opportunity for improvement, an occasion for excellence.
The 2019 season is beginning now.
Go Pack!!!

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Coldworld's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:59 pm

I was against him playing. The second half performance proved me wrong, not because of the win but for the marker it put down in the minds of the team and opponents. I do think Kumerow ran some great routes and we saw the rookies seem to take a mental step foward perhaps. A small step, but they dragged a decimated D through and that was important for the future too.

Now 12 should be given some spectator time in the next game. He has shown his mojo is still there.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:24 pm

This win means nothing in the big picture, aside from lower draft position.
Anyone who thinks "momentum" will carry over from today until next September is kidding themselves.
And half the roster out there today won't be back by then, coaches included.

We were down 15 in the 4th quarter, and thanks to a lot of help from the refs, we blew it. Now we beat the Lions next week to finish 7-8-1 & will have a nice mediocre pick about #19. Another Vonnie Holliday, Justin Harrell perhaps....

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:26 pm

I agree with Eddie Lee.

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mamasboy's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:18 pm

Me too Rip!!!!!!!!

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slackr93's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:31 pm

High draft picks don't equate to immediate talent - there's a LOT of examples in the NFL but I certainly remember the short list below of "duds" of our high draft picks...

Jamal Reynolds
Terrell Buckely
Tony Mandarich
Brent Fullwood
Rich Campbell

Agreed the roster will get turned over a lot this offseason since a lot of these guys are "Gute's Guys".

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jeepingmakooi's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:43 pm

You can add Rollins and Randell

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mamasboy's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:23 pm

Rollins and Randall were 2 of the many mistakes Thompson made over the last few years. I think Gute will make better use of those high picks.

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mamasboy's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:22 pm

Rollins and Randall were 2 of the many mistakes Thompson made over the last few years. I think Gute will make better use of those high picks.

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mamasboy's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:23 pm

OOPS! double submit

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PeteK's picture

December 24, 2018 at 11:05 am

It's a shame we had to get rid of Randall because of poor attitude, he's having a very solid year. Alexander and he would of made a great tandem. Sometimes getting rid of a player becomes favorable to the receiving team because it sends a message to the player.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:03 pm

It's not about equivalency, it's about probability. Your arguement is a Red Herring.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:35 pm

Tell the 2007 Packers there is no such thing as carryover. They were on a 8-20 stretch when they finished 2006 with 4-0 run.

They hosted the NFC CG the following year.

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Lare's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:48 pm

Lot's of people really disappointed that the Packers didn't lose today.

In the words of Vince Lombardi- “Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:34 pm

There are so many great Lombardi quotes. I wonder how much more wisdom he would have been able to share, and what he would have accomplished had he not been too stubborn to get a prostate exam.

One of the biggest lessons he taught us is there is no reason for men to die at age 57 from colon cancer.

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Gort's picture

December 23, 2018 at 11:05 pm

Public Service Announcement:
Everybody (not just guys) needs to get a colonoscopy!
I got my second one a few weeks ago. The prep still sucks, but it was easier now than 10 years ago. It is a necessary evil, but cancer is worse.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 24, 2018 at 02:14 pm

+100 Gort! Looks like you're fighting the lone pro-cancer advocate here, but carry on, man. IMHO dying from cancer sucks.

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Gort's picture

December 23, 2018 at 11:06 pm

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Guam's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:15 pm

Thank you Lare. I can not root for the Packers to lose. I get the draft position argument but as Herm Edwards put it - You play to win the game.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:55 pm

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

——-Vince Lombard

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PeteK's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:06 pm

Every win is important with a young team, especially a come from behind one. ....or a Rogers, Matthews, Clark, Alexander

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Buckywunder's picture

December 24, 2018 at 08:09 am

Broken.

Record.

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Wilment's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:24 pm

Nice to see AR finally showing his ass a bit. I think a win next week and this carries into next season. Aaron is correct....God Almighty this reminds me of the Packers in the eighties...almost forty years ago I lived in NY and watched Dickey and the Packers lose and get eliminated by these same Jets at Shea….Jefferson and Lofton were held under 100 yds for the day combined....thanks for the Christmas gift AR...

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 24, 2018 at 12:25 am

"Nice to see AR finally showing his ass a bit"

I honestly missed this thank God. When did this happen and why would he do this? The last guy to do something like that was Randy Moss at Lambeau. It was disgusting.

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Bure9620's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:25 pm

Couple of those passes were checked to as RPOs when the Jets defense showed blitz and actually blitzed. No problem with them.

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CAG123's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:26 pm

I’ve been defending Jamal Williams for some time now and a lot folks here thought it was nonsense the guy can play and he plays hard him and Jones can be a great tandem if used correctly another great game by him.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:56 pm

Absolutely.

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LeagueObsrvr's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:33 pm

Totallly agree. The Packers are going through a rough spot right now, but as these young backs and receivers continue to mature and the team begins it's resurgence back to the top, guys like Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones will be a big part of that.

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splitpea1's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:29 pm

People who were trashing Williams earlier in the season need to zip it. That's two pretty stellar efforts in a row. It's great to have two backs that can get the job done, and I wouldn't mind having a little more depth, either.

The secondary still needs lots of help with tackling, coverage, and being where they're supposed to be. Some things never seem to change.

Special teams is in total disarray. It will get much better next season because they can't be any worse than they are now.

Great throw by AR to end the game and keep us out of the cellar this season.

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:48 pm

People were trashing MM for under utilizing Aaron Jones.

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Tarynfor12's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:36 pm

Yeah...yippee....Rodgers got a win, dumb fans are praising his play and he cost the team much more in draft position and fixing holes than this win could/would have possibly given them.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:42 pm

Smart fans are praising his play, too. Over 400 yard passing, some big scrambles, 4 TDs and 2 pt run is obviously a big time effort.

I think it is more about having eyes than brain power.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:55 pm

All I saw in this game was the Harlem Globetrotters (Packers) vs. the Washington Generals (Jets). Rodgers of course puts up these fancy numbers against an inferior opponent and one who also knows when to fold in the end to make Rodgers and the Globetrotters look great and all the Hank Scorpios of the world go home happy. Lots of "smart fans" on the other side that can see thru this nonsensical meaningless win. It's too bad the Packers don't play The Generals every week like the Globetrotters do.

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PeteK's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:09 pm

An away from home win against a scrappy young team is NEVER meaningless!

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 24, 2018 at 12:28 am

Y E S I T I S ! !

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PeteK's picture

December 24, 2018 at 11:20 am

Dash, I will wager to say that we will see a very spirited young team next week. A lose would of had the opposite effect.

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CAG123's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:43 pm

With that mentality you must believe 100% without a doubt that whoever they pick in the first round will be a bonafide star futures HOF player right?

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:07 pm

I'm not looking for a hall of famer. I'm just looking to increase our chances of getting a good football player. Statistics show the higher up you go the better chance you have. Who's better Baker Mayfield or Deshon Kizer? We might have won this little battle today but we might have lost the war down the road.

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CAG123's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:19 pm

I mean I can do that too see....
Who’s better RG3 or Cousins?
Morris Claiborne or Casey Hayward?
Mark Barron or Harrison Smith?
Tavon Austin or DHop?
Devante Adams or Sammy Watkins?

See it’s easy lol

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jeepingmakooi's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:15 pm

Ugh.. I hate fans that think 1st rounders are Golden...

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

December 23, 2018 at 05:51 pm

Ugh...I hate fans that think the Packers GM will fail on his choice of 1st rounder...

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Lare's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:01 pm

Ugh...I hate people that say they're Packers fans but root for them to lose.

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dobber's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:26 pm

I just wish that people could get together on the fact that there are a lot of things on this team that need fixing and that no one thing (a high draft pick, FA spending, getting ARod straight, momentum, coaching staff) is going to do it all by itself.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

December 23, 2018 at 08:12 pm

Tell me where I said he is going to fail? Look at what happened this past draft.. we trade back.. to draft later.. pick up another pick.. get Alexander... And not Davenport like everyone wanted and look at the energy this kid brings.. the d is different with him on the Field... Case in point here is that a quality player can be drafted later in the first round.

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reefkeeper's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:45 pm

Listening to so called packers fans bitch about a win.....priceless.

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Lare's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:50 pm

At least they're consistent.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:39 pm

Gutty performance by Tramon Williams to keep playing after that big hit on the punt return.

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Coldworld's picture

December 23, 2018 at 06:01 pm

He had a nice break up in the end zone too. Good game from him today

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PeteK's picture

December 23, 2018 at 07:12 pm

Yes, and he's signed for another year. Great example for our young DBs.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 24, 2018 at 08:25 am

That's why I'm not looking his way for cap relief in 2019. He's a model of what professional football player should be. I don't want him matched up 1 v 1 on another team's best pass catcher. But you can find ways to put him in a good situation.

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nostradanus's picture

December 23, 2018 at 04:40 pm

I will take a W every damn time, hell with draft positioning, losing can be a habit!
GOOD WIN!!

Rodgers is still Rodgers, there is hope for 2019!

That is all.....

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