Gut Reactions: Green shoots on offense vs Bills

Aaron chats with Packers fans worldwide after the teams loss to the Buffalo Bills.

 

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Cwilly's picture

October 30, 2022 at 11:28 pm

So you excuse the last field goal. Do you also excuse the fact we have dean lowry. I get it with Rodgers but we have more flaws then just that.

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Alphadork's picture

October 31, 2022 at 12:01 pm

*than

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Leatherhead's picture

October 30, 2022 at 11:29 pm

Too many mistakes to win. Too many. Way too many.
Aaron Jones is a horse.
Aaron Rodgers has lost his quick first step when bolting the pocket. He used to break the pocket and make a play, now he's being caught. It's tangible. It used to be when he broke the pocket, those first two steps were real quick with a lot of spring, but now, not so much.
We held the best offense in the league to 27 on their home field, after a bye week. And with little support from the offense. The last two teams that played in Buffalo (Tenn and Pitts) gave up 79 points in two games.

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Rodgers is going to rally this team, or he is not. If he does, we'll have a shot; if he doesn't, then we're going to continue to lose and we're going to see Love on the field. How much of a difference that'll make, I don't know. I certainly didn't see us falling off the cliff this year, but it has happened. I don't think it's all on Rodgers, but this offense, again, was listless and ineffective , despite Jones playing great. I some times think our pass protection might look better with a quicker, more mobile guy on the field. Many years ago, the Cowboys had Drew Bledsoe and there was a lot of criticism of the line, but when he was injured and Romo came in, the criticism of the line stopped.

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edp1959's picture

October 31, 2022 at 06:40 am

Typical blame the offense bullshit when the defense gave up 5 straight scoring drives. You just can't admit that this all world defense is a bust. This whole team is a bust due to piss poor decisions by Gute and the front office. Joe Barry needs to go and should have never been hired, this was a piss poor decision by Lafleur.

You must have been drunk for most of the game if feel the OL did anywhere near an effective job, letting free runners go straight to Rodgers. Good God the hatred for #12 from some of you idiots is just plain ridiculous.

But you were one of the experts that said this team will be better without Adams and the Packers don't need any new receivers, we have built a "All World Defense". Yeah, some expert you are.

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Coldworld's picture

October 31, 2022 at 08:33 am

It’s not one or the other, it’s both.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 31, 2022 at 09:39 am

edp, when a team is averaging 40 points a game at home, and you hold them to 27, that's a good thing.

You wouldn't know a good defense if it sat on your face.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 31, 2022 at 12:43 pm

In 42 years of watching the NFL I've seen a lot of good defenses and a few great ones. This is not a good defense. Good defenses stop the run.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 31, 2022 at 01:44 pm

"Through eight games, the Packers have 66 missed tackles on defense and the fourth-lowest overall tackling grade at PFF.

Tackling is a core fundamental of playing winning football. The Packers, for whatever reason this season, aren’t tackling at a high percentage. For a defense so dependent on keeping plays in front and rallying to the football, the misses are creating huge issues."

Does this sound like good defense to you?

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/31/packers-miss-season-high-16-...

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Dancrothers54's picture

October 30, 2022 at 11:30 pm

I’m not sure what’s going on? But PLEASE go back to the written Gut reactions!!!

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Barnacle's picture

October 31, 2022 at 04:09 am

Podcasts are very unpopular!

Observe the lack of comments to most podcasts?

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HawkPacker's picture

October 31, 2022 at 05:34 am

I have never listened to one yet!

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Coldworld's picture

October 31, 2022 at 08:38 am

A pod cast for this post type is supremely pointless. Gut reactions are to be read and commented on quickly as the title suggests. If this is the trend I will simply go elsewhere in future post game, as I did this week after scanning this. I’m listening to other things as I read these most often, whether leaving a game, at home or with a group in a bar or a home. I want to see the points in one obscene at one time.

If this gets revenue somehow (I believe it does from the few chats I’ve seen) it’s still no excuse for not giving us text as well and it’s overused and diminishing this great forum. If the author doesn’t want to do it then let someone else give a textual reaction. I wouldn’t suggest that would be wise, but it’s better than this. Be careful you don’t strangle the vine. You are heading one way with that audience and most if the traffic here is not and has alternatives.

No I still haven’t listened, just reading the comments.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 31, 2022 at 09:26 am

I hate podcasts...I only read the comments on them which is usually very few...podcast are lazy journalism..

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Dancrothers54's picture

October 30, 2022 at 11:30 pm

I’m not sure what’s going on? But PLEASE go back to the written Gut reactions!!! To turn season around the o line needs to be healthy and cohesive!

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Savage57's picture

October 31, 2022 at 09:20 am

Seems someone's found true love with their image and voice.

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A New Era's picture

October 30, 2022 at 11:32 pm

Call me crazy but, while I might not be quite as looped as Aaron, I also felt much better about this loss than I have most of the season. The Bills, ranked #1 in most polls, were a very tough opponent away, yet the Packers showed some heart, particularly in the second half. Our offense started to click and 200 yards rushing could perhaps be a winning template for the future. Our young receivers showed some growth. Rodgers showed us that, contrary to the reports of his death, he's still alive. Sadly, we left points on the board with those fourth down stops. Yes, the defense was bad in the first half with some shoddy tackling, but they did step up in the second half. If we can deliver a performance like this against other teams we can be competitive. Again, like Aaron's, my gut reaction also is that our season is NOT over, but as a 70 year old Packer fan since 1961, I will loyally watch each and every game no matter what.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 31, 2022 at 07:01 am

I thought this was the first game this season the Packers dealt wth adversity by stepping up and showing heart. Obviously that is not enough to erase a deficit against the Bills. But they didn't quit. The also actually leaned on the RBs for a short stint.

They have some examples of better football now they can follow. However the lack of a #1 receiver is still glaring.

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crayzpackfan's picture

October 30, 2022 at 11:39 pm

If they would’ve done these 4 things they did tonight the 3 games prior, they might be sitting well in the division. Look, they were simply outmatched tonight. But they actually did some really good stuff. Oh boy did they run the ball well against a defense that doesn’t give up rushing yards. That’s the first thing. Secondly, they didn’t make many mistakes via turnover’s or penalties. Thirdly, they created turnovers which has been absent this year. Lastly, the coaches stuck to the running game and aggressively played defense despite two major injuries. If GB plays like this the rest of the year, minus injuries, they’ll be competitive.

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barutanseijin's picture

October 31, 2022 at 06:35 am

They ran the ball well because Buffalo wanted them to eat clock.

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Coldworld's picture

October 31, 2022 at 08:46 am

I’d argue that that is not true as an overall statement. We ran the ball well throughout.

I would agree that we ran the ball too long in the second half. It was a good idea to settle things down, but that tilted into a tactical error after a while when it began to eat too much clock before the belated push to score.

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NJMagic's picture

October 30, 2022 at 11:42 pm

Please please please go back to the bullet points!!!

Etan

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 30, 2022 at 11:42 pm

This was the first game where I saw some fight. I also saw that the run game was excellent, but the horse that is Jones isn't enough to save the Offense, though Jones tried. Still a team of two halves.

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packerbackerjim's picture

October 31, 2022 at 05:41 am

Interestingly, it was the second half where the offense and defense offense improved.

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Coldworld's picture

October 31, 2022 at 08:49 am

Agreed, but does it not concern you that it took the shellacking in the first half before we saw it? How does that happen in a team in our situation?

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 31, 2022 at 10:12 am

Sure, it does, but at least they showed the desire to fight back after being knocked down. That's been an obvious lacking in their mentality and physicality in previous games. It isn't enough to make me believe they're going to run the table, less have a seat at the table when the playoff seats are assigned.

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

October 30, 2022 at 11:46 pm

Gut reaction:
First half looked like the fat kid on the junior high track team.... Making lots of motion, vibrations and banging around but going nowhere fast.
Second half, too little too late and still coming up short when needed most.

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SteelyPhil's picture

October 31, 2022 at 12:03 am

At the end of the day, the Bills failed to completely close the Packers out in a game that really wasn't competitive at any point. There were some signs of life, but I still don't see a path given that:

1) We are really banged up a month and a half away from our bye;
2) Even when healthy, the team's roster on the whole is lacking in talent at several positions, despite the immense amount of capital poured into it (especially on defense);
3) To close out with a chance at a postseason berth, we need to win at least 6 of our next 9 with some quality opponents still on the schedule;
4) None of our wins this year have come against opponents with winning records;
5) The Packers still haven't played anywhere close to a complete game this calendar year.

Despite being 1-6, Detroit could very well win next week against an exhausted and banged up Packers team in their third consecutive road game, and that would be curtains on 2022.

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Coldworld's picture

October 31, 2022 at 08:55 am

Boil it down and the positives were some attitude in the second half (about time) and the more aggressive use of Doubs and belatedly any use of Toure. That likely only happened due to Watson being hurt and injuries generally respectively. We knew Jones was good, I suppose LaFleur accepting that probably counts though. Rodgers showed that he can still throw if we put receivers in positions beyond 10 yards and not double or triple covered. Our O design has hobbled us badly this year.

The D was dreadful in the first half. The O carried two players who ran a ton of routes for one catch, Rodgers and most obviously Watkins, who looked incapable of getting open. We can not afford that. Our game plan was heavy on Watson. We may have got lucky if that was the genius bases LaFleur intended.

Use the guys who actually get it done. If Toure has been lighting it up in the scout team for weeks, why the hell is he not playing from the start? Doubs will make plays if you let him be out in a reasonable position to. But we’d rather focus on Watson? Has Al Davis’s spirit possessed us? Go with ability now as demonstrated and have enough faith to stick with them and give them opportunities to make an impact not throws in heavy traffic or as an isolated deep guy.

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splitpea1's picture

October 31, 2022 at 01:04 am

Not an infuriating loss, just a boring loss to a better team, and an uphill struggle once we got in the hole. We might have had a shot at winning this game had both Lazard and Cobb been out there. Doubs made some nice catches, but we desperately need a possession guy who can find the open spaces and keep the chains moving.

Dominant performance by the running game--I think we should have leaned on even more.

I love having players that are durable and always available, but Savage....just can't tackle. It's so easy to juke him and blow by for a big gain. Looks like it was a mistake picking up his option. I would have loved to see Gute draft Brisker, but noooo, because:

We used the pick on Watson, who should have come with a "Fragile, Handle With Care" stamp before he was drafted.

Other notes: Nice game from Jaire, congrats to Toure on his first TD catch and dance moves. That OPI on the Tonyan non-TD was suspect, the ejection of Walker was unnecessary (15 yards was enough), hopefully Campbell isn't hurt too badly.

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Packerfansupreme's picture

October 31, 2022 at 02:25 am

Dont know how you can claim it's a moral victory when we have lost 4 straight but hey you tell yourself whatever you need to Nags

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morenzhoeny's picture

October 31, 2022 at 02:40 am

Do not get how you can call this a moral triumph after four consecutive losses, but well, you tell yourself whatever you need to, Nags. https://drift-boss.co/

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GBPDAN1's picture

October 31, 2022 at 04:28 am

I saw fight and no quit in the 2nd half from this team. Haven't seen much of that this year. If the Packers play the rest of the year like they did in this game, they will start stacking up some victories

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HankScorpio's picture

October 31, 2022 at 05:29 am

If you ever needed a game that proved you must have a legit passing offense to win against elite competition in today's NFL, this was it. The Bills have one, the Packers do not. The Packers won the turnover battle. The Packers run/pass mix was about 50/50. They ran for over 200 yards. They had more total yards. They won time of possession. On the field, the Bills absolutely phoned in the 2nd half, content with the 3 score lead, that the Packers never seriously threatened.

I actually saw people praise the Packers for their "commitment to the run". As that "impressive" run game was unfolding, I viewed it as waving the white flag on the game. It sure didn't help them put points on the board. And it probably did not concern the Buffalo coaching staff to give up all those run game yards while holding a 3 score lead. At least, it has never bothered me when the shoe has been on the other foot.

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murf7777's picture

October 31, 2022 at 11:00 am

Hank, you are correct, Buffalo played with 5 DB’s the whole game asking the Packers to run, run and run the ball. Once they got to Buffalo’s side of the field they tightened up the run D and eventually stopped the Packers. This just shows that running isn’t the way to win. The way to win in today’s NFL is to be able to pass the ball with some balance of running. Buffalo and KC prove that In fact, a lot of their rushing yards come from the QB position, another thing missing in the Packers O this year. Here are you top rushing teams, Bears, Ravens, Giants, Falcons, Jags, browns & Saints. None of these teams are dynamic. The ones with the best records of that bunch are the runs who also get a lot of running yards from their QB.

The problem is the Packers for many reasons, OL, WR’s & scheme, wrong routes, errant throws, pick one or all, the packers struggle to be consistent at passing the ball. The Packers can only pass two types of plays, short dump offs or try the long ball which is mostly miss. Intermediate passes are gone. You have to have them to be successful fearing offense. If they had that with their effective running last night they would’ve been in the game.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 31, 2022 at 12:47 pm

That's nothing new, Buffalo played 4-2-5 on over 90% of their snaps last year. They played dime on 6 snaps and the rest was short yardage and goal line formations.

You can do that if you have DBs that tackle.

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GregC's picture

October 31, 2022 at 05:53 am

Ugh. I don't have 21 minutes to listen to this.

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stockholder's picture

October 31, 2022 at 06:10 am

Poor Call. I hated the Jones call, on a short fourth down. The OL got blown up. (Need a new RT.) Dillion was brought here for the Tough yards.!

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barutanseijin's picture

October 31, 2022 at 06:32 am

Dillon gets stuffed often, too. Big quads, but he goes down too easily.

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Coldworld's picture

October 31, 2022 at 09:09 am

I thought Dillon was pretty good yesterday, much better than he has been. I don’t think anyone is powering through that DL stacked and centered as it was. Rodgers could have trotted out left and got it, but that’s about it after that call.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

October 31, 2022 at 06:10 am

Eight games in and we have the 13th pick in the 2023 draft. Let’s not muff that up with a trade for a WR that will do nothing to save the season.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 31, 2022 at 06:47 am

I was expecting a loss. I was hoping for better play. I came away from this game feeling much better then I did the previous 3 games.

They finally found something that worked on offense. They found the run game and stuck with it, regardless of what the score was. And that was against the best run defense in the league stat wise. That is something to feel good about.

If they don't take away the Tonyan TD, this is a 6 point game on the final drive. (assuming everything played out the same way).

I just feel better about this game then previous games.

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NJ-RICK's picture

October 31, 2022 at 07:08 am

Again if you want to beat the Packers defense run the ball wherever Dean Lowry lines up and throw the ball over the middle probably to a wide open TE. Time has come to cut lose GM GUTE... Poor drafting and poor free agent signings, should have been gone long ago... When the Lions beat the Packers next week more fans will agree with me. At this point Packers need to be sellers before the trading deadline ends 11/1 to obtain more draft picks for a new GM.

FIRE GUTE....!!!!!!!!!

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JLab3's picture

October 31, 2022 at 07:58 am

Aside from age, the common thread for Rodgers, Wilson and Brady is sub par offensive line play. Giving up valuable capital for a so-so wide out will stunt the growth of guys they drafted and won't fix the line of scrimmage. Like it or not, Rodgers, even at his age, is still the primary weapon and they best find a way to keep him upright.

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Roadrunner23's picture

October 31, 2022 at 07:59 am

Packers are dead ☠️

Super Bowl window closed ☠️

Should’ve traded Rodgers ☠️

Pack will be lucky to beat Lions 🦁

Packers are 🤡

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Ima Payne's picture

October 31, 2022 at 08:20 am

I was prepared to write how the Bills dominated the Packers and made them look foolish. Having riding some of these players like an old mule, I was impressed that this team never gave up. The pack gave the bills all they could handle. We hit them as hard as they hit us. There was no quit in this team. Out matched yes, out classed no.
Jones lit it up. Dillon was a bull. Rodgers showed he still has the touch. However, that fn achiles heel the Packers never ever fixed is still the bane of this losing, pass defense is god awful.
I still believe I would rather pass twice for an easy td then have to run 7 times and pass three to go 80 yards for a td. One of these options is the easy way to win.
Good job packers. Obvioiusly we have players who arent that good. Tell Gutt

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Patriko's picture

October 31, 2022 at 08:57 am

Like many other comments under gut reactions, please go back to your written reactions to the game. Go Pack!

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Booner's picture

October 31, 2022 at 09:15 am

OUR MANAGEMENT SUCKS!

MORONS!!!!!

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Since'61's picture

October 31, 2022 at 09:23 am

Another one half of football played by the Packers. The second half, unfortunately the game was over by then. Defense allowed 5 consecutive scoring drives!!! Ridiculous. We get to 14-7 and they promptly fold and allow the Bills to go back up by 2 scores. The Packers defense just cannot stop the run and the league knows it. #1 against the pass because no one needs to throw the ball against our defense.

The Packers offense ran the ball well, which was good to see and proves that Jones should have been getting more touches all season long.
Jones had a great game. The OL was destroyed in most of this game on pass protection. It was a mostly futile effort, especially in the first half.

I don't know why MLF waited until halftime to motivate the team, he should be doing that before the game even starts. But here we are.
I would also say that if the Packers played 60 minutes like they played in the second half we would be at 5-3 and maybe 6-2 at this point.

The offense no longer has the firepower to hang in with a team like the Bills particularly when the defense can't stop the run.

Doubs and Toure's TDs were both great plays but they come few and far between these days. For those of you who missed the mid-seventies, this team is beginning to resemble the teams prior to the arrival of Lynn Dickey and James Lofton. Bring on the Lions and maybe they can help us turn this around for one week. Thanks, Since '61

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Packerpasty's picture

October 31, 2022 at 09:29 am

Hey Packer Aaron hows about doing real journalism and write something...its apparent not many like PODCASTS!! or is it "Podcash'?

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Packerpasty's picture

October 31, 2022 at 09:33 am

So Rodgers must have changed almost every play to runs hey...many fans seem to think he changes plays constantly, which by the way a QB who probably has more football knowledge than our boy wonder head coach has...

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nstewart1's picture

October 31, 2022 at 09:52 am

Officially flipping from Super Bowl Mode to Future Mode.

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Bure9620's picture

October 31, 2022 at 10:25 am

I typically am the lets all take a breath person...but not this year. Their cap structure is an all in structure and this is a bad football team. It is a very bad sign when people are saying "well they showed some fight, it was closer than we thought" We trailed by 3 posessions, that is ALOT in the NFL and lost by double digits. The Packers were never in this game, they were outcoached and outclassed....again. they need to blow it up. The decision to give Rodgers that ludicrous extension is fireable. It is fireble because it will set this franchise back years.....Are we all in? Rebuild??? 1st round QB on the bench.....What are we?? WTF is this? To the Rodgers defenders...is there anything in this offensive performance that is his fault??

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

October 31, 2022 at 11:57 am

21 minute gut reactions? Please get back to being concise.

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jhtobias's picture

October 31, 2022 at 02:17 pm

I wish I got paid like gute lafluer and berry do without repructions .

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THESZOTMAN1's picture

October 31, 2022 at 02:21 pm

Despite being a natural pessimist, I saw some hope last night. Both TDs awesome. 7 yards a carry for "Showtime" and 5.4 for AJ. Team didn't quit.
As everybody says, 1 game at a time.
So here's my prediction........... we should beat Lions next week.
Gotta start somewhere.
The Szotman

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