Gut Reactions: Cardinals 20 Packers 17

  • Mike McCarthy won't be fired today, tomorrow or any time prior to the end of the season. But he should be. 
  • There were fans who thought this team could win five games in a row. lol
  • Aaron Rodgers is getting paid a lot of money to play really pedestrian football. 
  • As a running back, Jamaal Williams is a great pass protector. 
  • Throwing to 80 year old Jimmy Graham 10 yards shorts of the sticks on 3rd down. Hot.
  • Third week in a row Aaron Rodgers has put a late crucial 3rd down throw into the ground. 
  • Kenny Clark was held all day. 
  • There are shockingly few playmakers on this team. 
  • Nothing pisses me off more than meaningless Packers football in December, but here we are. A month of garbage awaits. 
  • Jaire Alexander looked good on punt return. Pity it took the Packers until December to put him back there. 
  • Ron Zook still being employed proves that miracles still happen. 
  • Nice job by Lowry splitting the guard and tackle for his sack. 
  • Aaron Jones wasn't even on the field for the final drive. You know, one of the few guys who could actually make something happen with the ball in his hands. 
  • Of course, that would require McCarthy and Rodgers making an effort to get the ball in his hands. 
  • Said it last week, will say it this week, and every week until the season is over: Blow it all up. 
  • I need a beer. 
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marpag1's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:27 pm

I don't even care anymore.

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bjkdad44's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:31 pm

My sentiments exactly...

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GBPDAN1's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:34 pm

. Wow, we are worse than I thought . Actually, at this point, it could be argued that we are one of the worst 5 teams in the league and we have Rodgers

. This is right up there with one of the worst losses in the last 30 years. The terrible Cardinals at home, embarrassing

. Our offense is horrific and Rodgers is basically healthy...... very concerning

. Our record with Hundley last year is very similar to our record with Rodgers this year from a winning percentage standpoint.....sickening

. I thought this team needed a retooling, but now I'm convinced it needs a rebuilding to get the Ted Thompson stench off it. We have 10-12 players that are keepers out of 53, the rest can be jettisoned

. Need to beef up the O-line , rebuild the OLB position, need Safeties, another MLB next to Martinez who can play 3 downs and cover. Another stud D-lineman. A fast TE who can block and catch. Better WRs,although there's hope for the youngsters, we still need another elite WR to go with Adams. Another good RB to replace Williams

. We need a new head coach

. I hope we lose the rest of our games except for the Bears game. We need to be picking in the top 10 of every round in next years draft

. My stomach hurts.

. I'm going to start a stamp collection as I'll need something to do while the Packers are trying to play football for the rest of this year.

. Signing off now, I need to go to the Liquor store

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Mojo's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:02 pm

Do you realize Dan when describing the needs for next year you hit on nearly every group except QB, kicker and corner. Unfortunately, I agree although I'd throw in kicker too.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:16 pm

If the QB plays like the guy wore #12 before this year, the overall talent outlook takes an entirely different perspective. No doubt the team lacks the talent to carry a poor performance from their QB. But that's not how this team is set up. It is set up to get outstanding QB play.

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splitpea1's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:35 pm

You're right; it's been this way for too long and has to change. The Packers can't win ugly, and can rarely count to their special teams or defense to do something out of the ordinary to win a game. If the QB is off, they're doomed--even against a pathetic team who hates to come east and play in the cold.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:14 pm

It would be nice if they could build a great defense and ST, for sure. But this year is far different than years gone by. This year it is the offensive failures that are holding the team back.

The guys that get the big $$ get the big blame or the big credit. I'm not going to get bent out of shape over the dropped int by a minimum wage rookie that could have bailed out the poor performance of the highest paid player in the game. That equation tilts the other way with me. The highest paid player in the game should have played well enough that the dropped pick didn't matter.

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Packers0808's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:33 pm

Sure qb also shouldn't be on list! Rodgers looked like 85 instead of 35 years of age today. I think he got arthritis all of a sudden!

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keeley2's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:30 pm

I'm desperately hoping that Rodgers has some sort of arm injury or ligament issue in this throwing arm. How can you clock the ball on a 3rd and whatever? Probably wishful thinking on my end but the way things are rolling out, I've gotta find hope wherever it's found.

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Monsmoy's picture

December 03, 2018 at 02:19 am

It is concerning how many player requirements we have. You list them well. However, recognising that 1 draft cannot solve everything, I think we should go to FA for a quality WR and FS. That allows us to take two pass rushers in rd1, a RT in Rd2 and a CB in rd3 (KK and JA are great but we have to plan they will be injured 30%). ILB is a requirement, (perhaps CM3 if major pay cut) as it will release OB to SS. Our two 4th rd picks are actually v valuable as we can potentially pick up a TE (deep draft class if they all declare) and or RB pending what is on the board. A real concern, regardless of what you think of Graham, Kendricks, Lewis is that TE inclusion in the pass game has been like an after thought. The teams winning are those that use their TEs

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KenEllis's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:17 pm

Neither did Ted or Mike or Murph for the past 5 seasons.

Dysfunctional franchise getting exposed for the nation to see without Aaron playing like the top QB in football.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:40 pm

Nagler: “I need a beer.”

TKstinator: “Just one? I admire your restraint.”

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Jamie Freier's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:01 pm

Yup I 1/4 watched the Pack while doing other stuff. Earns a half-hearted “meh” from me.

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Samson's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:31 pm

How dismal can it get? -- Sad display of Packer football, again. -- Time for massive changes.

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Coldworld's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:45 pm

I have refrained from saying much recently preferring to see how things developed when the chips were down. Well now I have.

What we saw today was abysmal. Ultimately I place the root of this on Ted Thompson and Russ Ball’s mishandling of the roster over the prior 4 years or so.

That said, the lack of adaptation or development in using the available pieces, raw though many are, over the season has been startling. We are simply treading water.

For that reason I think we should draw a line. I have always felt Mike McCarthy is a good coach. He may be again somewhere, but he is no longer currently in Green Bay. It is time to move on. Personally, I would prefer that we do so now and begin identifying his replacement while stirring up the game planning. Let’s give players like Kumerow and Tonyan a chance to show if they belong and begin preparing for the future this week. The next opportunity is next year.

Having said MM should be let go now, I emphasize that the fault truly resides with Mark Murphy. Replacing McCarthy alone would be to allow those who oversaw the decline a free pass. Gute aside, the rest of the big 4 all deserve to be cleared out.

Let’s really start afresh.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 02, 2018 at 07:33 pm

Where you there for the sneak?

Were you there for the first leap?

Were you there when chants of "LOWRY" filled the air?

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DELofMS71's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:38 pm

Seasons Over, Clean House-Now. Vince would be spitting nails and all the prima donas woud be riding the wood including certain so called stars. Alabama, Georgia, and Notre Dame would beat this team by 21.

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ollie418's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:49 pm

Those college teams would get decimated by ANY pro team. Even GB. But I get were you were going...

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ScaryGary's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:06 pm

i gotta go clemson over notre dame. notre dame seems like mccarthys pick for the playoff. they play with focus and pad level

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The TKstinator's picture

December 02, 2018 at 07:09 pm

Question #1 for Gute’s coaching search: “What is your stance on pad level?”

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cheesycowboy's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:33 pm

The best part of this game was that it didn't go into overtime. I will take a kill shot over bleeding out any day... At least this should be a very interesting but long off-season.

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ollie418's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:33 pm

Gut reactions:

MM sucks!

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carlos's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:45 pm

P

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Packers0808's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:35 pm

And you do what?

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Altered Idol's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:34 pm

Its hard to get angry when you expect it each week now. Just resigned to this sort of performance until the season's end. McCarthy should be gone now, though he won't be. This game was a microcosm of the season as a whole.

There's just not enough good players or depth to this roster. If not a complete rebuild, then a significant overhaul is needed. Gute first draft was promising but he had/has way too many needs to fill.

Rodgers, Adams, Jones, Bakh, Linsley and the rookies are about the only players worth keeping. On defense, the rookies with Clark, Daniels, Martinez and maybe Lowry and Fackrell as depth. Special teams is a garbage fire. Crosby has cost us at least 3 games this season.

I'm annoyed but not angry anymore. Last week was the killer, this was just confirmation. This is a bad football team right now and needs alot of work.

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carlos's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:41 pm

I finally got logged back in after 2 months or longer. I had problems, but not as many as the Packers. Of all times to get back in after a sickening loss. Maybe I can vent.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:29 pm

I've been wondering how far the Packers have sunk. I'm not wondering anymore. Losing at home to Arizona in December pretty much answers the question. That's rock bottom. It won't get any worse, except by volume.

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Lphill's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:35 pm

Hoping to see breaking news on my phone Mike McCarthy fired by Packers , that will mean a Merry Christmas for all and Zook with him.

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Lare's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:35 pm

Well, at least we won't have to read another incredibly boring article about the Packers remaining chances to get into the playoffs.

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ollie418's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:36 pm

Jones was not in the backfield for the majority of the second half! Nice MM, douchebag!

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ollie418's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:36 pm

Jones was not in the backfield for the majority of the second half! Nice MM, douchebag!

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Packers0808's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:38 pm

Hey Ollie seems you glt all the answers! We need you as next head coach and game planner!

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jhlisic's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:36 pm

I would laugh if they retain McCarthy. All that pissing and moaning by the prima donna QB will amount to nothing.

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Colin_C's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:38 pm

I was one of those fans who thought they could win 5 in a row. I am an idiot. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. It's all about the draft now. I won't complain if we beat da bears, but otherwise I'll be fine losing out.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:36 pm

With the 10th overall pick as things stand right now, the 4-7-1 Packers have 3 games remaining against teams below them in the standings. That's 3 opportunities to hand out a win that positions them for a better draft choice. They can give the Lions and Falcons their 5th win. They'll need some help to limbo under the 3-8 Jets. They may be getting that help right now as the Jets lead Tennessee 16-6 at the half.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:41 pm

Limbo under the Jets. LOL.

How bout this? Make Cignetti interim HC.

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Since'61's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:39 pm

Pathetic! Done!! Wait 'til next year!!!

Fire all the coaches including Pettine.
First his defense gives up an easy TD after the Packers take the lead in the first half.
Then we tie the game at 17 and his defense lets the Cards go down the field with no problem to kick the go ahead FG. Terrible Job. Capers could not do any worse.

As for the players, keep Rodgers, A. Jones, Bak, D. Adams and Linsley and maybe Tonyan on offense.
On defense keep Clark, Daniels, Alexander, King and Martinez.
STs keep Scott.

Chuck everybody else and start over.

Terrible job at all levels. Management, coaches and players. No excuses. Unacceptable preparation and effort all season. I'm afraid that the 70s and 80s have returned sooner than I expected. Let the coaching carousel begin. Thanks, Since '61

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Gort's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:56 pm

"Unacceptable preparation and effort all season."
That says it all.

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Cubbygold's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:01 pm

'fire pettine'. Lmao

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packerbackerjim's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:03 pm

I’m going to give Pettine a pass, Since ‘61. No safeties, No OLBs, missing ILB, rookie CBs, DL injuries. As they used to say, can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. He may not want another shot but he deserves one, IMO.

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Lare's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:11 pm

Let the new HC hire his own DC. Pettine's defenses have been better than Capers, but that isn't saying much.

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Guam's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:14 pm

Agreed. Pettine has been much better than Capers, but the new coach needs the authority to build his own organization.

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Coldworld's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:25 pm

I disagree with letting Pettine go. To achieve what he has with who he doesn’t have is not to be sniffed at. MM and MM out. Pettine and Gute as the nucleus of what remains.

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Lare's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:29 pm

If Murphy hires the right HC, he'll know if Pettine is worth keeping or not.

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

December 02, 2018 at 09:56 pm

If Murphy hires the Right Head Coach?? Are you kidding me?? Do you have any idea what his record was at Northwestern??? 3 & 300. This is the guy you want running GB?? Fire the (HEAD GUY) who's still running things from inside the building. Then Fire Murphy, Then Fire Philbin so Miami can stop laughing their Ass Off at us. Fire Pettine. What did he ever do to deserve the job at GB. Any DC who would even consider giving Tramon Williams a uniform is completely Brainless.
You fire McCarthy for today's loss. What about our Great Clutch Kicker Crosby?? The Worst GB kicker in my lifetime. The only reason he has the points he has is because he had 2 HOF Qb's that got him down to the10 yd line, or scored a ton of TD's. He should have been gone 10 years ago. He's Garbage. Get rid of Mathews, Bulaga, Cobb, of coarse Williams. Fire who ever made the decision to let Jarred Cook go, for that BIGOT Bennet. The only thing missing from this team is A.J. Hawk. Pay Mathews $50 Million over the past 3 years?? What a Joke. Bulaga has made More on the sideline than on the field. Cobb was finished 2 years ago, & 5'7" Williams never was any good. Crosby's the biggest joke next to Hawk. He's hit more Goal Posts than any other kicker in NFL History. Now you get to AR or McCarthy? AR is strapped together with Nuts & Bolts. Who's idea was it to pay him $130 Million?? Fire that guy, then start thinking about firing McCarthy.
Things are still the same out here, but clearly need changing in GB. Can't you guy's see whats going on?? Maybe McCarthy needs a new home, but at least start with the (HEAD GUY), he's the guy that is responcible for what GB is today. Murphy's a joke, so is Philbin, & Pettine. I actually laughed when Crosby missed that FG. I hope some of you did too.
LVT

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:12 pm

Get a coach who will will hold AR accountable and scheme an offense that is not boring as f*&k to watch.

Get this, since 2017 week 7...

Brett Hundley record 4-7
Aaron Rodgers 4-8-1

That's a pretty scary thing.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:42 pm

So Mike McCarthy is the only guy in the NFL that can stop Aaron Jones and the only guy that can make Aaron Rodgers look like Brett Hundley.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:48 pm

I think AR and MM are both responsible for what AR looks like. It's just that MM is much easier to replace and ARs contract makes changing QB problematic. If they can move AR too, I am noy against it at this point.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 02, 2018 at 07:04 pm

I agree. Rodgers is the one making the throws. No matter what he thinks about his coach or the game plan, he needs to execute his part of it better.

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packergal's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:26 pm

Keep Rodgers? UGH.
Sorry, I'm with Dash.

Horrible performance from the team but especially from AROD, the $134 million QB. We are now dead last in the league in key passing categories! And 5 yard short throws into the dirt have zilch to do with receiving talent.

While AROD enjoys a portion of his fully guaranteed $78million, it's time to play Kizer and Boyle over next few games and see how bad or well each executes the plays MM calls.

SIT THE STARTERS and especially QB1.

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dobber's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:41 pm

Sure, you could sit the starters, but you can't evaluate backups if they're getting their asses handed to them by starters on the other side of the ball. It's self defeating. Get your backups snaps with #1s and see what they can do when they're playing with those guys (I was going to say "starting quality talent", but I gagged on that a little after today's effort).

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:44 pm

Thanks Packergal. Let's do this today. Call Oakland and get Derek Carr, 3 no. 1 picks and 2 2nd round picks for Aaron Rodgers. We get something to look forward too instead of looking back at our past and hoping that past has a few more years left (it doesn't). I don't honestly care what coach we have or get. It's all about having a young stud qb. With all the future high picks from Rodgers we have that opportunity. Remember everyone, Aaron Rodgers was totally healthy today and he couldn't beat a rookie 1st round qb at home in the snow and cold of Lambeau. It's time again to get another young Aaron Rodgers. If we don't we continue to sink to the bottom of the pit of misery.

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Jordan's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:40 pm

Dude, you're upset and blaming Pettine and the defense? Now that's hilarious.

You just witnessed an NFL offense that is supposedly coached by an offensive genius HC and a future HOF QB in his prime that was only able to score 17 points at home against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. Yet you're upset about the defense. That might be the funniest thing I've ever read on this blog.

In the modern NFL, with updated rules that favor offense, when a defense holds an opponent to 20 points or less.....that's considered good.

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Since'61's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:52 pm

Yes, in this era the offense should score more than 17 points but to do that you need a good OL not a porous OL like the Packers have. You also need to have more than one NFL receiver and the Packers don't. Also, one decent RB won't get it either.

As for the defense holding an opponent under 20 points is good but sometimes you need the defense to make a stop and get the ball back especially during the 4th quarter. It's not a matter of blaming the offense or defense it's a matter of the team is just not very good. That's the point here. Thanks, Since '61

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wildbill's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:44 pm

You’ve been a moron since 1961

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Since'61's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:54 pm

Since you are new here I'm sorry to inform you that I do not respond to posters who are under 12 years old. Thanks, Since '61

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The TKstinator's picture

December 02, 2018 at 08:23 pm

Not advisable to mess with since 61. He’s one of the good guys around here.

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Since'61's picture

December 02, 2018 at 09:22 pm

Appreciate it TK. Got your back as well. Thanks, Since '61

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NickPerry's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:40 pm

Mike McCarthy should've relieved of his duties NOW so the Packers are in a position to hire the very best HC they can on December 31st.

This is a BAD football team. I'm thinking it's not talented as we thought about 13 weeks ago.

What in the hell has happened to Aaron Rodgers? He can't hit a long pass if his life depended on it.

WHY can't McCarthy just STICK with Aaron Jones. Everytime Williams is in the game it feels like I'm watching slow motion.

Hopefully now those of you who were still thinking playoffs can let that notion go now. The Green Bay Packers just lost to one of the 3 worst football teams in the NFL. Jezzz...What does that make the Packers?

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Cubbygold's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:02 pm

Yup, start talking to Chris Petersen now. Let him play his bowl game and then get to work

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:05 pm

They lost AT HOME to one of the 3 worst football teams in the NFL.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:36 pm

I think we are the worst and we lost to the 3rd best team.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:15 pm

Right now the Packers stand at #10 in the draft, but 5 teams ahead of them are 4-8. They could easily get into the top 5. Then the question becomes.

Do they draft a QB if that is the BPA?

I would.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:31 pm

I hope they lose the rest of their games. I have Aaron Jones and Davante in FF, and I'm in the playoffs. So selfishly, I want them to score. But I don't care otherwise.

It's about 2019 now.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:55 pm

If I was BG there would be about 10 Packers moved to IR Monday.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:50 pm

Remember, San Fran is also one of the worst teams, and we got lucky to beat them, 33-30, at Lambeau.
With Rodgers. And with them using their backup QB.

We suck. Flatout.

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:51 pm

Remember, San Fran is also one of the worst teams, and we got lucky to beat them, 33-30, at Lambeau.
With Rodgers. And with them using their backup QB.

We suck. Flatout.

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NickPerry's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:52 pm

Sorry...Even my computer is all screwed up today...DP

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Gort's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:40 pm

"Mike McCarthy won't be fired today, tomorrow or any time prior to the end of the season. "
Really, with the level of effort today? ? ?

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Coldworld's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:27 pm

New lows should change the complacency more dramatically. At this point, what does keeping MM through the season end achieve that is positive? The thing is who will get rid of Murphy?

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cpabandit's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:19 pm

The Mike McCarthy era in Green Bay is over.

The Packers announced Sunday that they have fired the head coach of 13 seasons. Offensive coordinator Joe Philbin has been named interim coach.

"The 2018 season has not lived up to the expectations and standards of the Green Bay Packers. As a result, I made the difficult decision to relieve Mike McCarthy of his role as head coach, effective immediately," Packers president and CEO Mark Murphy said in a team statement. "Mike has been a terrific head coach and leader of the Packers for 13 seasons, during which time we experienced a great deal of success on and off the field. We want to thank Mike, his wife, Jessica, and the rest of the McCarthy family for all that they have done for the Packers and the Green Bay and Wisconsin communities. We will immediately begin the process of selecting the next head coach of the Green Bay Packers."

McCarthy's firing came just hours after Green Bay fell to 4-7-1 with a loss to the Arizona Cardinals at Lambeau Field.

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Gort's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:47 pm

Duplicate - deleted

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:16 pm

Sounds like an apt description of the game I just watched.

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Gort's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:58 pm

THX, jeremyjjbrown. That's too funny!

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Thebearsstillsuck's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:49 pm

Aaron Jones couldn't get the ball on his birthday.
Crosby needs to go, enough is enough
MM should walk home and stay there
At least I won't have to hear about any more playoff talk.
I bet the Panthers are excited they got out of the Breeland contract
There is a legit chance we are the worst team in the league. It used to be said Rodgers was good for 10 wins by himself
I turned down good tickets for 25 dollars a piece. So glad I decided to decorate my tree today instead

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carlos's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:44 pm

Packers who?

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Cartwright's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:46 pm

fudge

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Rebecca's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:47 pm

Stay the course McCarthy says we still have a few things to clean up, but the stink remains. Don’t let the door hit you....! Now the Pack can play for pride! Go pack McCarthy. Then go, but check your pad level on the way out.

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Gort's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:00 pm

You missd execution.

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GVPacker's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:28 pm

Stink is not the right word Rebecca, it's more like Stench!

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December 02, 2018 at 07:02 pm

Actually I meant “stank” lol

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December 02, 2018 at 08:11 pm

Stink. Stank. Stunk.

My tag is Gort, but I have been called the Grinch.

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sonomaca's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:48 pm

How about deal Rodgers to Raiders for Carr plus their 1st two picks.

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mrj007's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:01 pm

That actually works I think. Carr had outplayed Rodgers this year...

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December 02, 2018 at 04:49 pm

The $32 mil cap hit for trading Rodgers does not work in any way, shape, manner or form. It's pure fantasy to discuss. The only option is to get his game back on track for 2019.

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December 02, 2018 at 04:07 pm

or for just their two 1st round picks.

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December 02, 2018 at 04:18 pm

Or straight up for Josh Rosen. He was honestly no worse than Rodgers today and had far fewer WTF throws.

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Swisch's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:36 pm

If Rodgers isn't on board with the Packers, and willing to be coached, then I'd take Carr with only one of those picks in the first round.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 03, 2018 at 12:00 am

Carr would be the ideal qb to team up with these young receivers. He would get reunited with his college teammate Davante Adams. It would be a match made in heaven. Carr to Adams, just think about that combo for the next 5 to 7 years. Aaron Rodgers simply doesn't fit here because he's effin old now. We need to move this guy at all costs. Hell I would take Carr for Rodgers straight up at this point. The Packers would win the deal on that alone. People are overrating Rodgers big time. His play is slipping. We all see it this year and it's not going to get better as he gets older. The right collarbone injury has affected his strength and accuracy. We need a young qb. He's officially John Hadl 2.0. Trade him to some sucker team like the Raiders. They gave up two number ones for Carson Palmer a few years ago. They are our best option.

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Guam's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:39 pm

And why would the Raiders ever do such a stupid deal? Trade for an overpaid, underperforming QB and give up a decent young QB on his rookie contract and two first rounders. I would take that deal all day as long I am the guy getting the young QB and two first rounders. Oakland would have to be nuts since Rodgers will not overcome all the holes the Raiders have to fill.

Try to find a real trading partner, like Jacksonville, that has an outstanding roster and a sub par QB and you might be able to get a deal done. However that would leave GB without a starting QB...…..

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The TKstinator's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:56 pm

Carr is not on his rookie contract. He’s 5 yrs, 125 million. Or, as I like to say, “Gruden plus 25”

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sonomaca's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:30 pm

Gruden not a fan of Carr. He does love veteran QBs, but the cap hit situation doesn’t sound good in any case.

Don't know which coach is going to be able to handle Rodgers. Gruden probably could. Bruce Arians might be one.

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Guam's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:39 pm

I am getting old - can't believe I missed that.

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December 02, 2018 at 06:16 pm

Carr would bring a $20 mil cap hit. With the $46 mil cap hit they would take to square the signing bonus they gave Rodgers last year, that's a tidy $66 mil in cap space. Rodgers is set to count for $26 mil in cap space next year. So there goes $40 mil that could be used on adding help elsewhere.

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sonomaca's picture

December 02, 2018 at 07:52 pm

Got it. Not gonna happen.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 03, 2018 at 12:10 am

"And why would the Raiders ever do such a stupid deal?"

I agree Guam, why would they do that. Why the hell would anyone do that. Here's the thing though. The Raiders have a history of making stupid decisions for qb's. Actually so does Green Bay but the only reason they would do that is because of money. They are moving to Las Vegas and they need fans and excitement for their new franchise. Carr is not a celebrity draw that Vegas would be excited about. Aaron Rodgers on the other hand with his name recognition and celebrity status dating all these Hollywood type women is the perfect guy for that town. John Gruden loves him as well. I actually think this is more realistic of happening than most. The way they cut ties with MM like Dungy said was cruel and disrespectful. If the Packers can treat MM like that, they can certainly trade Aaron Rodgers as well.

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Mojo's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:48 pm

The way I see it - top ten draft pick is now in play.

It will be tough to get into the top five unless we can keep this inspired play going.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:49 pm

Tried to tell a lot of people before the season the team needed a rebuild. Took a lot of heat, and yet here we are....

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Stic's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:53 pm

Ya where are all the Homers? LOL

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sonomaca's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:55 pm

So you’re saying this is not related to coaching?

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Guam's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:11 pm

It's related to coaching, but we also have a talent deficit. Like Shanghai, I was one of the folks who thought this would be a rebuilding year and we would be better in 2019. Now I am not sure about 2019 as this team has lots of holes.

Move #1 is to fix the organizational structure and put Gute in charge. Move#2 is to change the coaching staff. Move #3 is to acquire some talent via free agency. Move #4 is to draft more talent. We will need all four to win next year.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:02 pm

IMHO, all forms of “I told you so” are met with disfavor.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 02, 2018 at 08:42 pm

As much heat as I’ve taken at times on this site for having a realistic view of this team and roster construction, I have every right to come back and say I told you so.

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carlos's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:50 pm

Packers suck

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 02, 2018 at 07:49 pm

Glad you were able to get logged back in after 2 month away, carlos. This is the kind of cutting-edge commentary the board has been lacking in your absence.

When I read "Packers who?" I thought, how in the world will he ever top that? Well, by god you did it. son! Can't wait to see what springs next from your well of insights!

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carlos's picture

December 03, 2018 at 06:27 am

Thanks Leo. Was mostly posting test posts. Not sure what happened where I couldn’t get in anymore. Missed the posting with everyone. Hope it continues and I have no more issues.

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cpabandit's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:52 pm

4th and 23, reminds me of a similar situation in Philly, 4th and 28. Glad I didn't buy a ticket against the Jets in a few weeks.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:13 pm

I'm going to the Jets game taking my three sons to their first football game and their first Packers game.Thank God my ex-wife is paying for two of the tickets so I guess we'll all get to greet McCarthy when we're there.

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carlos's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:51 pm

Am I posting again?

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 02, 2018 at 07:51 pm

Please direct existential questions directly to Nagler. Thanks.

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Stic's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:52 pm

Where are all the TT/mm lovers who dominate this site?
Crickets.
Dump the Pumpkin!!!

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stockholder's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:29 pm

You STINK - Arron Rodgers, You STANK Spriggs, You STUNK Again- Crosby. The return of Graham, Adams and Cobb have done nothing for A-rod. Is it a Jordy Nelson Curse? Not one veteran earned their salary this year besides Adams and Bahk. The safety play was Horrible. I see only one way MM can save his job. Fire all his staff again. I thought we had the best OL coach in the NFL. The best ex coaches in Moss and Pettine. The best secondary coach. Etc. The good news is we get a better draft pick. The bad news is nobody is going to come to GreenBay and turn this around.

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Lare's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:37 pm

McCarthy iOS done in Green Bay. The Packers can do a whole lot better with staff members other than what McCarthy has assembled.

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stockholder's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:58 pm

The Questions are still there. The only person that has the answers is Gute now. The administration kept TT for his knowledge and advice. The failures have been as follows. 1. Murphy 2. A-rod and the contract extension. 3. I was a Wolf supporter not Gute. 4. The end result was the sabotage of this team dating back to 2014. And TT should have resigned after the draft. ( instead of looking over everyones shoulder.) MM has done everything he could do. YOU CAN'T GET PLAYERS TO GET ON BOARD WHEN THEY JUST DON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE.

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carlos's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:52 pm

Not sure why, but I couldn’t post for over 2 months. More problems than the Packers. Hope I can continue.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:54 pm

Carlos, my guess is you were on double secret probation. It's happened to some who get too mouthy. DannyDS or Dan Stodola was famous for being on double secret probation. Welcome back and stay out of trouble and you'll be fine.

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December 03, 2018 at 06:31 am

In all reality, Dash, I’m more on the , try to post nicely, side than the other end of the spectrum.

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December 02, 2018 at 07:55 pm

Talk with your doctor, carlos. Not being able to post happens to a lot of guys, but when it becomes a problem lasting over 2 months, it's time to seek professional advice.

Hope is fine and all, but often a poor strategy, especially when not being able to post. ::fist bump::

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Mojo's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:53 pm

Love the way Crosby gave Scott the look. And I believe Crosby's the one of the highest paid kickers in the league.

Just another piece to replace next year.

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SJ EC's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:16 pm

Yeah, that had me saying a few choice words towards the TV

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:59 pm

Yeah, I also saw Crosby trying to blame Scott with that "look". Rodgers does it too to his receivers after he makes a bad pass. Did you know that Aaron Rodgers and Mason Crosby's favorite song is "It Had To Be You".

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splitpea1's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:53 pm

Cheer up, everyone! Here is the moment of capitulation needed to ensure a thorough housecleaning and a way forward.

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Rebecca's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:04 pm

Love a good “capitulation”! That one was a doozy!

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Packer_Fan's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:55 pm

This season is over. Looks like a 10 loss season. Packers offense stinks. No one is making plays. No one is lighting it up. And as Wayne Larrivee says: That is the dagger. Dead.

Will Murphy fire McCarthy this week? This is the only thing that we as fans will want to know. Except, what is the draft pick for next year.

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Packer_Fan's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:55 pm

This season is over. Looks like a 10 loss season. Packers offense stinks. No one is making plays. No one is lighting it up. And as Wayne Larrivee says: That is the dagger. Dead.

Will Murphy fire McCarthy this week? This is the only thing that we as fans will want to know. Except, what is the draft pick for next year.

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GVPacker's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:31 pm

Murphy needs to go as well!

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packerfan9507's picture

February 13, 2019 at 01:16 am

Go Pack

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Mojo's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:13 pm

... and yet the Bears still managed to lose,

Agree on moving up the draft board. Keep the L's coming.

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February 13, 2019 at 01:19 am

Go Pack

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 02, 2018 at 08:03 pm

I'm thinking the Bears will turn out to be a popcorn fart. K Mack didn't tilt the field enough today to stop the Giants from hanging 30 points on them, and what they gave up for him will come home to roost soon enough.

The Packers are in dire straights, for sure. Things change quickly in the NFL. Remember the dynasty in Philly after the Super Bowl last year? And the Viking defense that would yield titles for years to come? Matty Ice and the high-powered unstoppable Falcons? The unstoppable Michael Vick? We'll be back. It's going to be ugly for a bit, but we'll be back.

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December 02, 2018 at 04:15 pm

This site is double posting and my contributions aren't worth going twice.

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Rebecca's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:05 pm

You can say that again!

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Gort's picture

December 02, 2018 at 08:13 pm

Echo

Echo

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Swisch's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:30 pm

I'm with you, wagszilla, as far as winning the 2020/21 Super Bowl -- sincerely.
I'm hoping Crosby is our kicker, and Rodgers our quarterback.
Let's not give up on Rodgers too quickly, after all the greatness over all the years.
What I'd do with our QB is fire his head coach tomorrow. See if he plays enthusiastically and seriously for the next four games. Find out if he wants to stay, and whether he is willing to be coached.
Let's support Rodgers big time if he wants to make it work with the Packers. I realize we're all feeling sick right now, but let's not react too hastily.
With Rodgers, we could win that Super Bowl in a couple of years.

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ScaryGary's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:55 pm

if mike mccarrthy wants another nfl head coach job he needs to quit right now. we would be doing him a favor by releasing him monday morning

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ScaryGary's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:55 pm

if mike mccarrthy wants another nfl head coach job he needs to quit right now. we would be doing him a favor by releasing him monday morning

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The TKstinator's picture

December 02, 2018 at 08:29 pm

Well...

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Handsback's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:57 pm

First time this year I listen to XM radio for the Green Bay game....WOW they are very bad! I really, really, really hate they extended Rodgers this year. He needs something, but right now where will they win another game? MM is gone after that performance. Pettine didn't help his cause either. They could be in top 5, but very likely top 10 in draft. It's a start....

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tincada's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:10 pm

Where's the Dom when we need him?

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carlos's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:58 pm

I’d fire Zook tonight and send the trainers with him. All the rest soon after. Maybe Spriggs also. Don’t mater anymore.

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December 02, 2018 at 04:57 pm

I haven’t been on here for months and come back doing test comments and all are thumbs down. Might as well leave again.

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Gman1976's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:59 pm

When our special teams got a 5 yard penalty on the last kickoff without a run back, I thought about the possibility of Crosby missing the field goal by being 5 yards short. Didn't matter. Wow, have our special teams and offense gone south so fast! Sad. Embarrassing. Hope the management will make the necessary changes soon.

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Gort's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:05 pm

"special teams and offense gone south so fast"
Have we been watching the same thing?

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mrj007's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:00 pm

I think a mention about the 5 or 6 drops. Firing looked bad. Can Rodgers even make a screen throw? Extremely overrated team over summer - once seeing the team play in September the writing was on the wall. But we eternal optimist fans just didn't want the fun to end. Packers can probably pick up $40M in cap by simply cutting perry, Matthews, Cobb, crosby, and Graham and easily replace their production with ANYONE really. Then add a new coach armed with 2 first round picks AND a good QB and suddenly there is hope for next season. This is the only thing left to root for

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Oppy's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:01 pm

Rodgers improved his fundamentals today (didn't needlessly scramble out of the pocket as much, set his feet and stepped into more throws than he has most of the season, despite AR's claims he has no problems with fundamentals), but his accuracy was still sub-par on many throws. The EQ drop on the opening drive was an example of a play where, despite no pressing pressure forcing him to throw while on the run, he didn't set his feet and he threw the ball somewhat off balance without squaring up or stepping into it. The result was a throw that was behind and to the inside of EQ- who had a sea of green ahead of him and no defender between him and the sideline. Don't get me wrong, EQ needs to make that catch. But Rodgers put the ball in the worst possible place, forcing EQ to turn around and nearly stop to grab the ball, and it was put between the WR and the defender, instead of towards the sideline, where the defender would have had to fight through the WR to make a play at it. These are the types of accuracy issues we've seen from AR all season long.

Packers should make every attempt to trade away Rodgers contract for picks and hire a new HC for next season. Any more seasons spent with either AR or MM are wasted seasons. Time to build for the future. Hopefully a future where the Packers aren't defined by diva QB play.

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ScaryGary's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:10 pm

i don't think aarron is a diva, i think u should take that back. u think brady wins any titles with mccarthy???

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jhlisic's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:31 pm

Just from observing Rodgers this season (poor mechanics / fundamentals, bitchy attitude / body language) it seems he's deliberately trying to undermine McCarthy to have him fired. And you think he isn't a diva?
This type of attitude from Rodgers presents as completely unprofessional. This team is devoid of any leadership on offence, and you'd think a 13 year veteran would be rallying the troops, but he is too focused on his personal vendetta against the coach.
I think McCarthy's time is up in GB and have no problem if he is let go. But the teams struggles this season are more of an indictment on Rodgers than anything else.
So basically, it's Rodgers pissing away his own career, not the "MCarthy is wasting Rodgers prime" narrative that is perpetuated.

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Johnblood27's picture

December 04, 2018 at 12:36 am

not a diva?

AR?

you are braindead.

have you ever heard him speak?

have you ever observed his behavior towards his coaches and teammates?

have you ever seen his body language on the field and the sidelines?

I am ashamed to have him as the qb of the team I have loved for over 55 years.

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Oppy's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:50 pm

I definitely think Aaron Rodgers is a diva, and no, I won't "take it back."

I watched Rodgers as he acted deeply hurt, offended, and dejected when a fan at a charity event shook his hand an innocently said to Rodgers, "You're not as tall as I thought you'd be", refusing to look the fan in the eye and telling him, "I don't appreciate that, I don't appreciate that at all".

Years ago guys like Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, and Jermichael Finley tried to tell us about it. We either ignored them or called it sour grapes.

Others in the Packers locker room tip toed around Rodgers' thin skin and need for things to be "just so". They said he was 'Quirky' and changed the subject.

Lastly, I've watched as Rodgers throws his team mates under the bus in post game pressers when things get choppy over the last few seasons. He uses selective language and hints at, but stops short of directly laying blame, at his HC, seemingly so he can say "I never said that", while gladly allowing him to fall on the sword.

Yes, I think Aaron Rodgers is a DIVA. What a shame. Most physically talented QB in the league. Such a mind for the game. And yet, it seems to me he has allowed all the hype to create a run-away ego that is actively hindering his ability to be the BEST qb in the league.

What we have now is a guy with a pretty stat sheet who still manages to hurt his team on Sunday.

I wish I was so far out of left field with all of this, but we're starting to see articles being written by respected writers published by major national sports outlets that are collaborating what I've feared may be the case over the last many years.

Nagler is right. Blow it up. Start Fresh. This thing isn't getting fixed in the next five years. Cut bait and build for the future. Rodgers needs the ego check, and MM is no longer effective in GB. Packers will be here long after both of them have passed.

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stockholder's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:07 pm

Don't agree with Nagler but your comments about A-Rod are easy to see.

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ScaryGary's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:16 pm

I've experienced driver and jennings first hand at a party in arizona. fun times, not committed. aaron is a cocky bastard but i can't blame him

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December 02, 2018 at 05:18 pm

id take rodgers over brady in the fox hole

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edp1959's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:25 pm

Ahhhh so sad. We know you don’t like ARod you never have, same for a few others coming out now. This team has been crap for years do to obvious reasons and ARod has carried them through it. It must have been rough for you seeing that. He’s not this year and you are taking your shot. Blaming ARod for this mess is just plain stupid.

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Oppy's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:03 pm

I've got an almost 3,000 comment history here at CHTV (and a good number archived over at Jersey Al's all green bay packers site, RIP) that clearly show i have supported Aaron Rodgers throughout the great majority of his career.

I have been losing my faith in Aaron Rodger's day-to-day play slowly over the last four years due to objectively analyzing his play on the field and subjectively weighing his words and actions off the field.

I am now to the point I believe the scales have tipped from Rodgers' presence on the Packers being a net positive to a net neutral or negative. Simply put, I believe the Packers would have won more games in 2018 with an average QB that executes the offense as designed, as opposed to the performances put on by Rodgers in 2018, where he often refused to take what the defense was giving to the 2nd or 3rd read or checkdown, where he held the ball too long looking for a big play to Davante as opposed to perhaps hitting an open rookie or RB underneath, and simply moving the chains. Where he neglects the middle of the field. Where, apparently, there is a pissing match where the HC calls a play into the huddle, and a different play gets ran at the LOS, continually, throughout a game.

People point to Rodgers come-from behind wins this year, saying he's the only reason we won those games. I look at those games and see 3+ quarters of sub-par play from the QB position, and say, maybe we wouldn't have been behind at all had the QB played better or more consistently through the majority of the game.

Rodgers is insanely talented, or maybe, he just was at one time (he is getting to that age, who knows if this is an anomaly or a trend), but he is under performing, leaving drive-continuing plays on the field, and, in my opinion, has become a difficult ego to manage. He's 35 years old. I don't see the Packers getting to another SB with Rodgers or MM in the next 5 years. I also don't know if Rodgers body even holds up that long.

It is simply time to rebuild the entire organization for the next decade or more. I'd rather start now than later.

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edp1959's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:12 pm

Hahaha...this is some halarious stuff here.

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Bure9620's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:03 pm

MM needs be done now, this team has quit. It will send a message to these players. There needs to be big changes in the works at 1265 Lombardi. There was ZERO sense of urgency, even from Rodgers. This one was embarrassing. Season is now over and they need to start over, beginning with MM.

Chuck the following;
Spriggs
Graham
Bulaga
Bell
Cobb
Tramon
Lewis
Kendricks
Perry
Ryan
Peasant
Breeland

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December 02, 2018 at 04:14 pm

i like spriggs, bulaga, bell, breeland for the money. i think jimmy graham will pay his dues. MM was done two years ago, we just blamed thompson and capers

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Lare's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:20 pm

McCarthy won't get fired until the end of the season, he and Murphy are friends. Besides, what good would it do to start firing people now?

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Coldworld's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:32 pm

Murphy should be out of the door too. He oversaw the destruction of the roster. McCarthy may have lost it, but Murphy let the roster become a mess that Lombardi would have torn his hair out over.

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Bure9620's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:41 pm

Agreed, will be interesting if the board chucks Murphy and then the next President gives Gute authority over HC. Its how it should be. Very strange offseason, I'm afraid changes could be minimal but I am confident in Gute turning the roster over.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:32 pm

This whole season has been strange. (and not in a good way) We all knew that this years team was in a rebuilding mode. The only question was how long and who would do it. Leaving aside the HC, the Packer's single biggest issue is the mess made by Mark Murphy on the decision tree, and how long will it take to clean up. It is now up the executive committee to fix this mess. Either way, expect movement fairly quickly now. There is too much at stake for this organization not to do otherwise.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 02, 2018 at 08:35 pm

Hmmmm....

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4thand1's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:03 pm

This season was over anyway, we're bottom feeders. Sucks to be a Packer fan these days, brings me back to the 70's. C'mon draft, it's all we have to forward to.

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Tarynfor12's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:05 pm

I cannot believe it took an actual hitting the bottom to make so many realize what wasn't in GB for so long.

The play,however outstanding,from one player each week, can not and should not ever allow the covering up of the lacking's on this team. We've seen players excel for a game and get praised while the team crumbled slowly but surely.

Perhaps when this season is over and necessary changes are made and correctly, I can join the many in their optimism and my reality may not seem so ' negative ' as has been the last few years deemed by others.

There's talent on this team to build with as long as the builder has a real strong plan to do so.

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tincada's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:07 pm

Seriously? Who?
Chuck the following;
Spriggs
Graham
Bulaga
Bell
Cobb
Tramon
Lewis
Kendricks
Perry
Ryan
Peasant
Breeland

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ScaryGary's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:23 pm

talent on this team:
Arod(best player in football, debatable but true)
bahk - all pro
adams - pro bowl
linsley- pro bowl alt
bulaga- pro bowl when healthy :) *
taylor- above average
RG - u got me
Clark- all pro
daniels- pro bowl
alexander-pro bowl
martinez- pro bowl
our safties lack and kyler fackrell is as good as clay matthews.
easily fixable with our situation. this job is job enough to lure saban out of alabama if he blows through playoffs?

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stockholder's picture

December 02, 2018 at 06:19 pm

All Pro- Bahk, Clark, and I'll give you Adams. The rest, No. While your list does have merit. Just not enough, as the rest have missed playing Time
Chuck the following;
Spriggs- Yes
Graham-No- Honor the contract.
Bulaga- Yes, He's slow, and the money must be freed up
Bell- Yes
Cobb- Yes, Time off sealed his fate.
Tramon- No,
Lewis- yes,
Kendricks- yes Free the money up
Perry- Trade for anybody . (Oakland). Cut for cap. He's too far behind now.
Ryan- No he's better than Morrison
Peasant- Yes
Breeland- Maybe not. Depends on price tag. I would add Crosby. seems the packers should part ways with anybody close to their ex- union Rep. The money saved; is best used if they hit on the draft, and bring in a higher priced player for help. I think CM3 needs warmer weather. The packers won't match the numbers he'll get on the west coast.

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tincada's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:05 pm

I'm wondering why MM didn't punt at the 2 minute 4th down drill? So what are the M&Ms saying now about the season being over. Lock em all up.

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Pierre's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:09 pm

Losing to a 2-9 Cardinals team at Lambeau in a game the Packers need is beyond pathetic. Paying Rodgers to lead this offense and getting these results is just not something this organization can allow for 5 more years! Trade him now for any draft picks you can get and or get out of his contract ASAP. Use all the money from Rodgers contract to build a great defense and play Boyle at QB as a game manager. Continuing this Rodgers lead offense in GB any more years is just insanity based on the results of anyone can plainly see watching these games.
Rodgers is way over paid and over rated at this point. Time to make the change to a new QB and rebuild the defense or it’s losing seasons year...after year...after year going forward. Just pathetic to watch this listless offense and Rodgers overthrowing every receiver downfield and his smiling laughing with the defenders after kissing passes each time! ENOUGH!!!

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December 02, 2018 at 05:15 pm

Amen Pierre, Amen.

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stockholder's picture

December 02, 2018 at 09:10 pm

Pathetic=.No body will take Rodgers. He's damaged! Were stuck! Crosby- Put the nail in MM s coffin. The fan base may love these two. But nobody should ever trust either. When two players are so instrumental in getting a coach canned. It's time to question everything that is integrable about both of them. My new comparison is John Hadl. The packers won't be able to do anything about Rodgers soon. But Crosby is another matter.

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carlos's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:06 pm

When Cobb said Aaron would light it up today he must’ve meant the Xmas tree at his house.

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December 02, 2018 at 09:13 pm

He meant the cigar for his accomplishment.

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John Galt's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:09 pm

Cool - could get a top ten draft pick. Use NO's pick and between the two of them get a QB . Rodgers money was a total waste and I said that months before the dumb contract was put forth and signed,. Because of that contract, the team is saddled for a very long time for no good reason.

Still have not watched a game since the kneeling garbage. College games are 100 times better, Way, way better.

The National Felony League is crap.

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Swisch's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:11 pm

On the plus side, we kept pace with the Browns.
McCarthy's biggest blunder was once again not giving enough plays to Aaron Jones. One would think that would be corrected by now.
Why not more Tonyan?
We could use more end-arounds, and maybe a screen pass here and there.
Don't blame Crosby. He's a pro. While this loss hurts a lot, let's not throw out everyone.
This is an opportunity to evaluate. Plus, it's still football. Let's enjoy the last four games -- if the Packers come to play. Guys should be motivated for the sake of their careers, and let's hope for the love of the game.
I'm hopeful we don't need an overhaul, and are back in the playoffs next year.
May as well let McCarthy go tomorrow, unless we can trade him to the Browns for one of their coaches.
Good to remember our head coach had a great run of eight straight in the playoffs -- including a Super Bowl, which is no small feat. My best to him!

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Lare's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:26 pm

Crosby has one of the worst FG percentages in the NFL. I like the guy, but a winning team needs a better kicker than Crosby.

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CAG123's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:29 pm

I’m sorry man but that optimistic attitude is why they’re in this mess Crosby needs to be held accountable at this point as well you realize in 12 seasons he only has 4 seasons completing over 85% of his kicks? The guy has been pretty average for most of his career it’s time to light a fire under his ass and stop settling for average players.

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Swisch's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:44 pm

It seems to me that Crosby has been clutch in his years with the Packers!
Making a 49-yarder in the cold is no easy feat. Neither Is finding a new kicker.
My only concern with Crosby is whether he publicly embarrassed his holder today. Guys shouldn't call out their teammates on the field. I hope Crosby was just talking about being fooled by the wind, or something like that.
Let's not lose all of our optimism!

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CAG123's picture

December 02, 2018 at 05:10 pm

I mean I’m not saying he should get the boot but he definitely needs some competition I’m pretty sure he’s like 78% in kicks this year which is awful! That’s 9 seasons under 85% which is terrible Crosby is good come playoffs but regular season kicks he just sucks.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 02, 2018 at 09:50 pm

"Crosby is good come playoffs but regular season kicks he just sucks."

Better than the other way around.

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December 03, 2018 at 04:48 am

Assuming that one follows the other.

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fthisJack's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:14 pm

1. another second half meltdown. MM getting fired can't come soon enough.

2. my granny could have intercepted the pass that Pleasant dropped to ice the game. nice pick up.

3. i'm wondering why Zook is still employed. every kickoff or punt gets a penalty weather on O or D.

4. I never thought I was see Rodgers play this lousy. his long passes are so far off, it doesn't matter how good or bad the coverage is.

5. Kumerow caught a third down pass and of course never saw the field again that I witnessed. probably saving him for next year.

6. MM must have decided that Jones should be yanked to get the dynamic Williams more carries.

7. MVS had a forgettable game.

8. Fackrell disappeared for the second straight game. those 3 sack games must wear has azz out.

9. Cobb was not a difference maker in this game. he and Perry can hit the road and play somewhere else for half a season.

10. that is all. turn out the lights the party's over!!!!

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Mojo's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:20 pm

4. ... and not just the long passes. So many of the short-ones are to the wrong side and low if they even get there at all. A lot of YAC opportunities missed.

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December 02, 2018 at 05:38 pm

8. Lost of Nick Perry broke this run defense. Thin and not enough depth. Just ran out of bodies....

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CAG123's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:15 pm

Man oooh man. This offense is bad like really bad like Michael Jackson bad. I don’t even think this team can afford to package its picks to move up they need every single one of them its worse this year because they have sooooo many holes on all 3 phases of the game! I mean it’s time to light a fire under Crosby’s ass that guy has been crap this year! If I’m correct we still need an EGDE, Safety, RT, RG, WR, Kicker,TE, New HC, New SPTC, New OC BG has his plate full this team has so few playmakers it’s almost embarrassing take away Jones, Rodgers, Adams, Clark, Alexander, Daniels, JK, Martinez and you have nothing but crap.

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CAG123's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:32 pm

Oh and Bahk

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Tommy Phillips's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:15 pm

Not gonna lie, every time "breaking news" appears on the "Bottom Line," I keep hoping it says "Packers fire head coach Mike McCarthy."

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Wenis's picture

December 02, 2018 at 04:18 pm

4th and 23 inside their own 10 and the Peckers defense gives it up......enough said!

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December 02, 2018 at 07:53 pm

it was 3rd down.

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December 02, 2018 at 04:19 pm

Same old, same old from mashed potato Mike and AR. Where was Jones in the second half? And where was Rodgers all game long? Some of the worst play calling I have ever seen in a Packer game. And as Rodgers would say, piss poor execution. But remember everyone, AR is playing like he always has, according to his own observations. Bullshit!! The time has arrived for MM to get on with his life's work and get out of Green Bay. I hope the Packers can make it in the top 10 for the draft order now. Not much else to look forward to this year.

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December 02, 2018 at 04:20 pm

McCarthy, Zook, Crosby need to be banned from the state of Wisconsin!

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