Extra Cheese: Putting the "Develop" in draft and develop

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PackerGold's picture

May 18, 2020 at 05:06 pm

After watching the 2019 & 2020 drafts and 2019 season, have you begun seen similarities between Jim Harbaugh taking over San Francisco and Matt LaFluer at Green Bay? Green Bay did not make it to the Super Bowl but they won their division. Concerning to me is the drain on true athletes in the drafting by Green Bay. Trading up on a player that could be taken with the No. 1 pick at 30; taking a No. 12 running back at 2 pick 62; taking a No. 18 TE at 3 rd Pick 94, and last year it was Rashad Gary with the 1st pick. The imploding to come from not adding top athletes over time. It was eight seasons for Jim Harbaugh.

How the 49ers collapsed after their 2012 Super Bowl run.

By Alex Didion August 31, 2019 5:49 PM During Jim Harbaugh’s tenure as 49ers head coach, he led San Francisco to three consecutive NFC championship games in his first three seasons as head coach. However, the organization also imploded dramatically in the seasons following Harbaugh’s controversial departure in 2014.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

May 19, 2020 at 12:37 am

The NFL gets more and more racist every day. Lets be honest: "Diversity" is a dogwhistle for anti-White. It literally means to exclude White people. Over 80% of the NFL was already Black IIRC, meaning less than 20% is White. This at a time when the NFL has programs to go to historically Black colleges to try to develop yet even more Black and minority players. There has been a lot of pressure to get more Black QBs into the NFL, and we've seen that happen. Shouldn't we be seeing developmental plans for White players that are currently being ignored?

We've heard a lot of complaints about coaching. The NFL's response: Create a racist policy that a team can hire a minority candidate without interviewing another candidate, but in order to hire a White candidate a team has to interview a minority candidate. This wasn't enough, so now the NFL is planning to bribe teams to hire minority coaches at the expense of White coaches.

The NFL is clear: If you are White, we're not interested in you. We'll put up every roadblock to get in your way, and if you find your way into the NFL it's despite our intentions.

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packerbackerjim's picture

May 19, 2020 at 05:39 am

Ah yes, the plight of the white man. How aggrieved you are. We will overcome someday.

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packerbackerjim's picture

May 19, 2020 at 06:07 am

Duplicate

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DraftHobbyist's picture

May 19, 2020 at 11:36 am

Ah, yes, the racist that has no issue with racism as long as it is against "the White man".

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DraftHobbyist's picture

May 19, 2020 at 11:36 am

Ah, yes, the racist that has no issue with racism as long as it is against "the White man".

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Archie's picture

May 24, 2020 at 09:04 pm

Very faulty logic my friend. You have reversed the definition of racism. Blacks are vastly under-represented in the NFL's managerial hiring decisions. Why is that?

A - Because Blacks lack the mental capacity and/or work ethic to be successful coaches, scouts and GMs; or,

B - Whites are racist and prefer to hire their own color.

If you pick A, we will all laugh at you.

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greengold's picture

May 19, 2020 at 09:20 am

Come on, DraftHobbyist. An anti-white dog whistle? wow.

There needs to be more fairness in hiring, and as Aaron said, the method they've chosen is probably wrong, but the problem remains and needs to be addressed.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

May 19, 2020 at 11:34 am

Oh, really? And does there need to be fairness in hiring of players? Oh, no, that's fine because it's White players that make up the vast minority, right? So any time minorities are underrepresented it's a problem because we need "diversity", but any time White people are underrepresented it's not a problem. The NFL is literally paying teams to discriminate against White candidates. How can you see the term "diversity" to mean anything but "non-White"? Incentivizing for "diversity" in this way is racism.

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greengold's picture

May 19, 2020 at 04:18 pm

I did not say I agreed at all with the method the NFL is choosing. Not at all, man.

But, if you cannot see the disparity of minority head coaches and coordinators to Caucasian head coaches and coordinators in the NFL ranks, then I guess we're done here. You know there is a coordinator-head coach pipeline, right? Since 2009, 91% of all offensive coordinator hires were white. Of the 11 black/minority coaches who were hired since 2009, eight have been fired. 3 black head coaches started the 2019 season, out of 32 teams.

Yeah, we are done here...

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wildbill's picture

May 20, 2020 at 07:53 pm

Ahh yes the poor blacks who get special treatment in all aspects of life need more help. They quit trying to teach them how to read and do math, now they just teach them to have their hand out and a tear in their eye. Add the gracious, in public, whites who just fawn over their so called plight instead of teaching them to EARN what they want. Now give me the numbers of white coaches who got fired or didn’t get a HC or GM job, I’ll be waiting..

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Archie's picture

May 24, 2020 at 09:06 pm

Show me an example of where whites are under-represented in a highly sought after job type.

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fordguy's picture

May 19, 2020 at 01:07 pm

I for one wouldn't want to be hired for a job because of my skin color and not based on merit, wouldn't you?

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greengold's picture

May 19, 2020 at 09:18 am

Good set of takes, Aaron.

On the "draft & develop" concept, I think many fans, and rightly so, are gun shy after so much of Mike McCarthy's tenure was spent heavily promoting the idea, without comprehensively developing his players. There were a few that really came through, but "development" was not a positive aspect to their plans for talent acquisition. So many players drafted just completely fell through the cracks. There also seemed to be a disconnect with regards to the players Thompson procured and the players McCarthy might have preferred.

This is a new regime in Green Bay, and Gutekunst seems to have a solid personnel department, both college and pro, along with a HC in LaFleur who appears dedicated to player development. They appear to be very much on the same page.

Time will tell there, but it seems we have a lot to be excited about with the breadth of new talent infused into this Packers team. Dynamic players all the way around. Size. Speed. Instincts. Ball skills. Pedigree. You look at the players recently added, from Begelton signed a day after the 2019 regular season all the way to Dequoy in UDFA, and there is some serious talent upgrades all around. I like it al lot.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 19, 2020 at 03:55 pm

We want to cut a 6’5” WR who runs a sub 4.5 forty after his second year.

Guys can, and do, improve during the rookie contract. That’s kind of the goal of coaching and training. So if you believe in your coaches you can take more shots in the draft, can’t you?

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Bear's picture

May 19, 2020 at 07:56 pm

The draft doesn’t guarantee success. Don’t take so seriously.

Correlation between Draft Position and "Starter Status"
Using Pro Football Reference as a resource, I looked at all players who were classified as starters at the beginning of the 2014 season to determine what round they were drafted in upon entering the league.  Of the 595 players designated as such, the results reveal the following:

Nearly 30% of all starters were 1st round draft picks when drafted into the league;
-          Roughly 30% were taken in either the 2nd or 3rd round;
-          Roughly 26% were taken in either rounds 4 through 7;
-          Undrafted players (14%) were the 3rd most likely group to comprise 2014’s starters…only behind 1st round (30%) and 2nd round (18%) picks.

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Bear's picture

May 19, 2020 at 08:00 pm

20 years counted.
According to Pro Football Reference, most drafted players are busts. the only problem with their system is they don’t take into account the round they where picked. But anyway…
16.7% don’t even end playing for the drafting team (20 years average)
37% are considered ‘useless’, or busts.
5.3% are ‘poor’. Busts such as Jamarcus Russell are here.
So 69% are ‘poor’ or worst.
10.5% average
12.3% good 
6.8% great
1% legendary
That gives 20.1% good. 2 out of 10.

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Bure9620's picture

May 20, 2020 at 12:49 am

Roadblocks for white coaches?? 29/32 head coaches are white. That roadblock must be made of tissue paper.........

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Archie's picture

May 24, 2020 at 09:18 pm

It would be interesting to see the hiring decisions if all 32 owners were black. How many GMs would be black? HCs? etc.

To some extent, this prejudice stems from most people being more comfortable working with people of their own race. Much of this is due to segregation. Most whites know far fewer blacks than whites and vice versa for blacks.

If owners want more black coaches they need to get more black owners and the problem will cure itself.

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