Cory's Corner: Is It Time To Empower Players?

Top NFL players want more than money. 

Players being upset about their contracts isn't new. That has been going on since before the NFL started in 1920. 

Teams want to get the most while spending the least and the player knows that his professional window only lasts an average of 3.3 years, so he wants to get all he can. 

But now the conversation has turned to power. 

Deshaun Watson is in a terrible situation in Houston. The Texans clearly don't know how to run a pro football franchise as evidenced by the DeAndre Hopkins trade that only netted Houston an average running back in David Johnson and a second round pick. But here is where it gets muddier — Watson signed his 4-year, $160 million extension after Hopkins was traded. 

Now Watson himself wants to be traded. It makes even more sense after the Texans granted the release of J.J. Watt, but that was obvious because Houston was staring at a cap hit of $17.5 million this season for Watt.

The same thing is going on in Seattle where Russell Wilson recently told Dan Patrick, "I think it helps to be involved more. But I think that dialogue should happen more in my opinion." 

Have we hit another frontier in the NFL? Have NFL players suddenly become empowered? 

Obviously, in the Watson example, he says he is prepared to sit an entire season, but the only other person that has done that with time left on his deal was Carson Palmer. And Wilson is the only reason why Seattle continues to win, yet he was sacked a combined 94 times in the last two seasons. Wilson just wants to be protected better and the direction of the offense. 

This isn't the last time we are going to hear this from elite players. The question is whether general managers will be willing to grant them their request. The argument can be made that if a general manager listens, a contract doesn't actually mean anything. The trust between the player and the franchise will be fractured. 

Elite players should be allowed to be a sounding board, just as long as it doesn't upset the balance of the team. The team already hold the players accountable and this would be another check and balance to hold the team accountable. 

If certain players know and understand what teams are trying to do through the draft and free agency, players will probably be less likely to get upset. It all comes down to communication. Let certain players know how and why the groceries are bought. It will answer a lot of questions they have and will probably reinforce their love for the organization. 

Players will continue to chase the almighty dollar. But having a piece of the power pie is new and presents plenty of challenges. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Coldworld's picture

February 16, 2021 at 06:32 am

No, players should play, not expect to run teams. One is not necessarily a good qualifier for the other even without issues of ego and interest.

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CAG123's picture

February 16, 2021 at 07:17 am

Nah. Bad business etiquette that will keep players from wanting to sign with your team. Don’t bring anything to the negotiating table that you aren’t willing to fulfill they told him he would have input in the next coach and they lied they could have just not said that and everything would be fine. This is the same guy that kept endorsing O’Brien despite all the dumb moves he was making.

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February 16, 2021 at 06:36 am

I've always said," Honor Contracts". But Empower Players? It's a double edge sword that will wreck the NFL. Who cares about the pro Bowl? The Greed is getting outrageous. And some say it's fixed. Either players believe in Team first. Or the fans will leave.

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Oppy's picture

February 16, 2021 at 09:03 pm

A good number of fans don't even believe in Team First. There's always a significant percentage of a fan base who thinks their favorite player should call the shots, not the coach or the GM... always a group of people who think the star player should be able to decide when they play their last game for their team, as opposed to being cut or traded when the team feels the time is right.

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February 16, 2021 at 07:14 am

Why are QBs and some players, now screaming about dysfunctional FO's after they get paid a salary that plays a huge part in the dysfunction of the team. They want to be the highest paid while ignoring the peanuts that 80% of the other players scratch for, but are more apt to lose their job when the QB fails to do his, which is more likely when 90% of the QBs are paid close to or like the actual elite 5 percent. Maybe if clipboard holders weren't paid $20+ million the true elite QB salary wouldn't need to be $40 million a year, especially when a QB like Watson can only win 4 games, because of, but not exclusive to FO dysfunction.

Profits for Owners will always be attacked by their employees until the employee becomes an Owner, at any level of business. Be careful NFL, because your moving down a road where its vast majority of the employees will begin to demand more than their deserves, just because they feel entitled to it.

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CAG123's picture

February 16, 2021 at 07:22 am

How many players lost their job because of a QB? And that’s exactly why they are the highest paid because that logic shows that the weight is all on them.

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 16, 2021 at 08:04 am

How many players lose a place on the team because of the huge increase in the QB salary?

How many lesser players does a team sign because of the former?

How many backup QBs are there in the league getting paid high dollars that shouldn't be in the league?

How many millions are spent on QBs that have failed and are constantly being signed to be a backup and are always over paid?

Opinions will differ, and hence the number to each question will also, but the prevailing fact is the QB salary is a huge reason why teams lose players needed at other positions.

There are other positions also that have exorbitant salaries that hurt other players job retentions, but the QB is by far the more responsible for the losses.

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wildbill's picture

February 16, 2021 at 09:55 am

The QBs don’t care who gets cut to allow their huge salaries but then cry why the team doesn’t have all the elements they want. It’s ever man for himself as they all try to squeeze every nickel they can in their contracts. Brady was able to take a lot less than his value because his wife probably makes double what he does. If the NFL wants to go down the NBA path I think the NBA ratings will follow

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CAG123's picture

February 16, 2021 at 10:03 am

It’s a teams job to draft and develop players it’s not the QBs job to take pay cuts so they can afford them. See Patriots for example how many JAGs got fat pay days after playing in that system? Brady took all those pay cuts and BB hardly kept his own players or signed FA.

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fordguy's picture

February 16, 2021 at 03:56 pm

Actually, it is about the money and every other top level player that would sign a team friendly deal would get pummeled by the other players saying that they look like assholes for not taking team friendly deals.

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albert999's picture

February 16, 2021 at 07:56 am

Well said

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February 16, 2021 at 07:46 am

This all started way back when the emphasis was placed on the "Passing" game. The league rigged the rules to favor the offense and high scoring games. the owners wanted these type of games to please the fans because the fans "want" an NBA version for football. When the talking heads of Football call a score of 45-38 ..a good game?

If you don't have a 'good" QB you can't win in this environment. You need to pay to play. This is what you get. The owners help create this "mess", hopefully not at the expense of the fans...oh how foolish of me to think that won't happen. But than again we as fans have only ourselves to blame.

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albert999's picture

February 16, 2021 at 07:54 am

Pack should draft this guy Zaven Collins
For the season, Collins had four sacks, four interceptions (including two pick-sixes) and two forced fumbles. At 6-foot-4, 260 pounds, he looks more like a defensive end but moves with the fluidity of the modern day inside linebackers that have become so prevalent around the league.

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PatrickGB's picture

February 16, 2021 at 07:56 am

It’s a team sport. All people on the team need to mesh. If they don’t then the whole team suffers. Relationships are important and not to be overlooked. And one or two players on the team should not dictate to the rest of the team their own personal demands. But sometimes outspoken players have a valid point and a good staff might want to listen to them. If the complaint is not valid then it’s time to let them go.

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albert999's picture

February 16, 2021 at 08:02 am

Nick Foles made 10 million the year he won the super bowl

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 16, 2021 at 08:18 am

Foles was getting paid what a backup QB should be paid at max, and he won the SB, but he didn't get them there. Some proof, you may ask, What has he done since, and after getting paid money he doesn't deserve, and shown in the multiple teams he's played on since. Why is Gabbert still in the league. Do you think Dalton can get Dallas to an SB? Flacco stole millions from Balt and helped destroy the teams chances for another SB while being paid for years of bad play.

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Coldworld's picture

February 16, 2021 at 09:49 am

You are correct. Decisions to pay elite money to all but a few truly elite QBs are typically team killers for years. Takes too much money from elsewhere without the compensatory advantage that can come from a truly elite QB. That’s why the jackpot is a first contract guy who achieves elite levels of play.

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albert999's picture

February 16, 2021 at 12:27 pm

I’m just saying you can win with less

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jvole's picture

February 16, 2021 at 08:11 am

Player empowerment should be a market commodity like anything else. If an owner is willing to do it and is rewarded with better players and more championships--Then so be it. Why should the owners collude to reduce player sway?

And why all this excuse making for an owner, Cal McNair, who inherited his wealth and team and who seems pretty much incompetent? Man, people love making excuses for the rich. Last I check they do not get crippled from playing this game.

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Coldworld's picture

February 16, 2021 at 09:50 am

The players that would be empowered are not going to be poor.

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Guam's picture

February 16, 2021 at 08:16 am

Like any good organization, good communication in both directions is helpful for everyone to have buy-in to the organization's goals and direction. However final decision making is rarely done by committee but rather done by selected individuals for purposes of accountability and consistency/continuity of vision. The decision making individuals are hired for their experience and expertise in the appropriate areas.

Twenty-somethings (players) with zero executive experience should be communicated with and perhaps consulted, but I question whether they have the expertise to be decision makers. There is a reason most organizations have appointed leaders rather than being led by committees.

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 16, 2021 at 08:21 am

Will the player sacrifice his salary for his part in a bad decision(s) like the Owner does when they still have to pay that bad decision, for however long?

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Guam's picture

February 16, 2021 at 09:45 am

No and that is why it is called accountability. Decision makers without accountability are often excessive risk takers.

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Oppy's picture

February 17, 2021 at 12:48 am

There's a salary cap ceiling, and a salary cap floor, as well. (The NFL salary floor is roughly 10% lower than the hard salary cap.)

That makes this a bit of a false argument.

NFL owners have to pay out a certain amount of money in payroll no matter what, as stated above. Player salary is basically a set cost of doing business in the NFL.

Also, NFL contracts are generally not guaranteed. If you really feel you made a bad decision, you can cut bait and move on and recoup a good deal of the money generally speaking- although, as I stated above, most the money recouped has to be spent on some other player, anyways.

Considering league revenue sharing was roughly 9.5 Billion in 2019 (Per Packers' financials as detailed in July 2020), or $296,875,000 per team (regardless of team performance)... and then the individual teams have their own revenue they reel in each year..

It's safe to say the Owner is pretty much playing with house money. Especially when you consider the value a NFL franchise holds in resale. These guys aren't sacrificing.

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dobber's picture

February 16, 2021 at 08:34 am

My 11-year-old daughter doesn't have a set of car keys or a debit card to our bank account. We ask her for her opinion on what we have for dinner, but she's disappointed about 2 days out of 3.

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Oppy's picture

February 16, 2021 at 10:53 pm

I understand the analogy, but your daughter is 11, and I'm guessing she isn't the primary source of your household income.

While I generally don't believe an NFL player's ability to play football necessarily qualifies them to have any input on how to manage a football team, I will say that it could be somewhat problematic to compare your 11 year old daughter's input into your family's private financial affairs to that of a legal adult who professionally plays a demanding contact sport at a level that draws the general public to spend hard earned cash to buy tickets, watch television, and buy merchandise in quantities sufficient to fuel a 16 billion dollar a year industry having input into his organization's private financial/operational affairs.

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dobber's picture

February 17, 2021 at 07:13 am

I bet owners don't give the players the remote during TV time, either....

Point well taken, Oppy. ;)

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Oppy's picture

February 17, 2021 at 11:28 am

Jerry Jones definitely doesn't, that's a given!

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Lphill's picture

February 16, 2021 at 08:39 am

I remember when a guy named Brett asked for Randy Moss and the Packers ignored him , Brett has one SB .

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February 16, 2021 at 08:53 am

And Moss went to NE and didn't win with Brady. He got there, but didn't win. So if Moss went to GB, there's no guarantee they get to the SB or win it, and it's all about winning and Moss's signing doesn't make it a winner.

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Swisch's picture

February 16, 2021 at 09:36 am

If the quarterbacks didn't demand such extravagant salaries, then their teams could afford better blockers to protect them.
When a quarterback is paid so hugely, he can really hold the team hostage with his demands. The QB can be a rival of the coach for power.
QB salaries are out of control. I wonder if it's really worth it to the team in most cases.
I do think, in general, players should be listened to, and have a significant say in their working conditions; but it should be in the interest of all the players on the team, not just the superstars.
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By the way, how much does it cost for a ticket to a Packers game these days, how much for parking, how much for a beer or hot chocolate?
In pro sports, the managers and the players go back and forth greedily with little to no regard for the fans
Nowadays, they're actually saying we're all repugnant racists.
If another pro football league started that honored America and its ordinary citizens, I'd switch away from the NFL.
America has its problems, always has, but I think average Americans are truly good people who are caring and kind to all people without exception.
The social justice movement in the NFL, for the most part, isn't about helping minorities or the poor -- BLM really stands for Bullies, Liars, Marxists.
If we don't stand for the national anthem, it means that we are more divided as Americans than united -- which means we don't really have a country. We are being divided with manipulative lies by cynical seekers of power and wealth.
If the NFL really got behind programs that were non-radical and non-partisan to help suffering Americans, then we the fans would support them overwhelmingly.
Let's begin by denouncing destructive riots everywhere, including our urban neighborhoods; then let's support the police in working with the people of the community to make those neighborhoods safe; next, let's support the poor in starting up small businesses with low-interest loans to fill up the vacant stores and revive the neighborhoods.
The NFL could actual do social justice by involving its fans, rather than by insulting us.
We the fans are not the problem; and we are always ready to be part of sound solutions.

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TarynsEyes's picture

February 16, 2021 at 09:57 am

No matter the issue being presented for change to make it better in the name of equality and justice, the moment the criminal is your poster face, all that is presented, and its credibility is erased. The death of that criminal, regardless if wrong at that moment will never erase what that criminal did previously. Two wrongs will never make a right, but will create an even more conceived separation in the equality and justice of the races, by those who profit by creating what really isn't among the vast majority of people, but always screams loudest when a criminal is the main focal point of the accusations made by those who look for their personal pedestal, or to make the small group of manipulators of that thinking the decider of justice and equality for all others.

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Since'61's picture

February 16, 2021 at 10:31 am

QBs like every employee in every other line of work are paid based on the amount of revenue that they can generate for their team and for the league or outside of football for their respective employers.

The best QBs fill their stadiums at home and on the road and have the highest exposure to the TV audiences. Do you realize how much more national exposure the Packers have received since the beginning of Farve era and now through the Rodgers era. That is what sponsors and networks pay huge $$$$$ for. The result is higher salaries for those players. Most NFL fans don’t watch games to see an interior OL or DL play. They watch to see players like Rodgers and Mahomes make unbelievable throws in hopeless situations. They watch to see an edge rusher or a safety make a bone crushing hit on a QB or a ball carrier.
We watch for the unexpected, we watch for something to happen that we may never see again. You cannot fault the QBs or any player for the money they earn because the next play could be their last.
You make the argument that we should have non-partisan programs to help the poor and underprivileged, but then you make argue against yourself by stating that BLM stands for Bullies, Liars and Marxists. Really!!! Did you see any BLM flags at the insurrection at the US Capitol in January 6th, 2021.
That was a perfect example of bullies, liars and a mob. How does destroying our democracy help the people you mention?
Full disclosure, I support BLM. Why? Because when I was in the Nam the black men I served with never hesitated to cover my ass when I was working as a medic on one of our guys who had been hit. They never hesitated to help me carry a wounded man back to the LZ usually under enemy fire. I’m not saying that the white, Hispanic or other troopers didn’t help, they did also. And now I see the black men who come back from the Middle East wounded just as badly as their white, Hispanic, Muslim and Asian comrades. So yes, their lives matter as much as anyone’s when the shxt hits the fan thousands of miles from home. And every veteran, just like every American deserves social, economic and judicial equality.

You want to make a difference for the poor and small businesses and minorities then I recommend that you volunteer at one of the many nonprofit organizations that are struggling to support the people you mention. If you don’t have the time to volunteer make a donation. If you can’t donate try to raise awareness.

BTW the NFL actually does a lot of good work in each team’s local community. Here in New Jersey the Jets, Giants and Eagles have been very supportive of the veterans organization where I’m on the board of directors. They provide tickets for veterans and their families and invite our members to numerous events. They help provide food for the hungry and work with local shelters for the homeless and for battered women. I also have the benefit of working with the league office in New York City. There are many things that I dislike about the NFL as a business and especially about Goodell, but I must be fair in that they have been a good partner in supporting their local communities.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 11:16 am

"Do you realize how much more national exposure the Packers have received since the beginning of the Favre era and now through the Rodgers era."

It looks like the Packers will become invisible again unless Love can extend this era another 10-15 years. What then? Do we get the honor of remembering the two SBs over a 30-year reign while others accomplished more in less time and with lesser QBs? Awesome, it sounds like we should be in can't wait mode.

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Since'61's picture

February 16, 2021 at 01:25 pm

I agree. We should always be in can’t wait mode. As I have posted many times over the years, professional sports is about winning today, now.
Constantly planning and building for the future becomes a self- fulfilling prophecy of always building for the future. The Packers are 10 years into building for the future.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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splitpea1's picture

February 16, 2021 at 11:31 am

"Raspberry"....

I hope we see another 10,000 insurrections....Just patriotic Americans that got a little overexcited while sightseeing in our nation's capital....The one that got into Pelosi's office should have left a pee puddle in her chair.

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Since'61's picture

February 16, 2021 at 01:48 pm

Then you should be very satisfied that they killed 2 policemen and injured over 140 policemen. Take your comment about the pee puddle and discuss it with their families. SLet me know how that works out for you.
I know how it works out for me since my Dad was NYPD for 27 years. Thanks, Since ‘61

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splitpea1's picture

February 16, 2021 at 03:54 pm

I knew that you would like my comment....Thanks for the entertainment with the usual vitriolic and righteous bloviation--LOL!!

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February 16, 2021 at 01:48 pm

Then you should be very satisfied that they killed 2 policemen and injured over 140 policemen. Take your comment about the pee puddle and discuss it with their families. SLet me know how that works out for you.
I know how it works out for me since my Dad was NYPD for 27 years. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 03:57 pm

Since'61, why in the world would you believe everything you read in the mainstream newspaper, or see on CNN? For that matter, why would you believe anything they report?
For example, it may be true that two policemen at the Capitol did die, and that is a real sadness.
It doesn't mean they were killed, though. One may have died from chemical sprays in the air.
We also don't know who "they" were at the Capitol, and all that happened in proper perspective.
We need a fair investigation. The media has shown over and over and over again that it is blatantly unfair.
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Remember, it's the Trump supporters who love the people of the military and the police.
The people you are defending hate the military and police, and want to defund them to make them defunct.
To the radicals, your dad is a racist as a police officer; and you are an imperialist baby killer for participating in Vietnam.
I'm among those who salute you and thank you and honor you and your dad for your service to America. You are our heroes of sacrifice and courage.
Why turn against those who truly care about you?

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February 16, 2021 at 11:51 am

"Did you see any BLM flags at the insurrection at the US Capitol in January 6th, 2021.
That was a perfect example of bullies, liars and a mob."

No, But I did see a lot of BLM flags in many major cities rioting, looting, hurting, burning, etc. So that was OK and those that opposed such are wrong for doing the same in DC against the politicians that endorsed and called for such by BLM.
Which side has damaged the country more?
Which political party endorsed the BLM riots and such?
Trump called for peaceful protests and the Capital police, IMO, were ordered by the Democrats to induce harm to blame Trump, which they did and still do for everything they ignite.
Now the Democrats are in charge and the riots from BLM have ceased, but at the drop of a hat, or another criminal fallen by the police will have the Dems reignite that which does nobody any good, and they know it, and are willful in its exploitation of it.

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February 16, 2021 at 12:28 pm

"The BLM riots have ceased...." Just wait until the weather warms up!

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February 16, 2021 at 01:39 pm

I don’t care who does it? Violence is always the wrong way to protest. The attack on our Capitol was an attack on our democracy. That may mean nothing to you. But it still means something to me who fought for our country and our democracy.

If a foreign power had attacked our Capitol we would know what to do and we would be at war with that power and we would not stop until they were held accountable. IMO that mob of traitors should have been met with BARS and helicopter gunships. Then you would have seen their coward, chicken asses running for their cowardly lives. If you really believe that the Dems or anybody ordered the violence then you should take that up with the families of the killed and injured policemen.
Trump needs no help from anyone is causing violence. He loved it. If he didn’t want the violence why did he do nothing to stop it and why did he tell those barbarians that they are good people and he loves them. I’ll tell you why, because he wanted it to happen, he couldn’t care less about the dead and wounded or our democracy.
If you support him and that insurrection then you were well represented by those people and their actions and remember that everyone who supports them will always be remembered by the actions of that mob on January6th 2021 and you will always be associated with attempting destroying American Democracy. Those were your people out there trying to destroy the world’s greatest democracy.
So own it. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 02:43 pm

As a fellow veteran who fought for our country many years ago, I couldn't agree more!

"Then you would have seen their coward, chicken asses running for their cowardly lives."

You nailed it. They were cowards with their false mob bravado. If any of those idiots were ever faced with actual combat, the peeing mentioned earlier would have been them peeing their pants.

It amazes me that by committing an act of treason, they actually consider themselves patriots.

Trump's "law and order" followers beating Capital Police with hockey sticks? Seriously? I wonder if the many years they'll be sitting in their prison cells will be worth it to them.

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February 16, 2021 at 06:10 pm

13Times, all we needed was for an officer to fire a burst over their heads and it would have been over. But heaven forbid that we allow the police to control a violent mob. No doubt the police would be blamed for scaring one of cowards and causing them to crap themselves.

Better to let 7 people be killed and 140 police be injured. They need to go to prison for a long, long time. Hopefully they each get their approiate cell mate. Semiper Fi brother.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 06:49 pm

Semper Fi indeed. Unfortunately, none of these patriotic "warriors" have no clue what that entails.

Hopefully, their future cellmate...Bubba...will have plenty of time to "explain" it to them.

I never really thought it before, but the number of months I spent defending our country in combat equals the number of GBP championships. I'm sure only you would understand the connection.

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February 16, 2021 at 09:26 pm

Believe me I get it. You lasted longer than I did. I got hit twice in 5 months and they sent me home after the second hit. But I was lucky, except for the scars I recovered from both hits. It’s not the wounds that hurt. It’s the memories and the screams.
“Only the dead have seen the end of war.” Plato
Stay well 13Times, you’ve earned it. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 01:45 pm

Violence is never an appropriate method to protest anything.
But now that we have set the precedent for acquitting the people who have started the insurrection we have provided an opening for every defense attorney in America to demand that their clients be acquitted for inciting any riots or violence in the future. If the president is allowed to incite riots then any of us should’ve free to follow his example and do the same and to be acquitted for it. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 12:45 pm

Wow, thank you Since61 for your service and for sharing a little of your soul with us. My brother in law was in Viet Nam and had the same sentiments. He said his group was color blind. There were good committed soldiers and those that stayed back. All colors showed a mix of the same traits to one degree or another. The only thing that mattered was what kind of man you were, not what color of man you were. I'm guessing the world would be a better place if we could all spend more time with people that aren't mirror images of ourselves, with the same religious beliefs, political beliefs, etc. But I also wish for ponies and puppies so what the hell do I know? GPG

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February 16, 2021 at 06:01 pm

I wish that no one ever needs to experience combat again. It’s a terrible experience regardless of the cause or the result. Everyone who endures combat is a casualty even if we are lucky enough to come away in one piece.

However, you can clearly take the measure of the person when the shit hits the fan. If you last long enough to let your training kick in and do your job then it becomes a matter of pure luck if you get hit or not. The hero stuff is just a matter of fighting for your life and for your buddies.

But I will say this, the guys who flew the choppers into a hot LZ to evacuate the wounded and eventually the rest of us, they had brass balls man. They were nothing but big floating targets but they always did their job. I’ll never forget those guys and what they did for us grunts. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 06:30 pm

"But I will say this, the guys who flew the choppers into a hot LZ to evacuate the wounded and eventually the rest of us, they had brass balls man. They were nothing but big floating targets but they always did their job. I’ll never forget those guys and what they did for us grunts."

This gets thumbs down? I have one question from anyone whoever gave this a thumbs down. Did you ever serve in combat? Be honest.

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February 16, 2021 at 09:30 pm

13Times, there will be no reply. They will
hide behind their screens. Keyboard warriors or should I say keyboard cowards.

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February 16, 2021 at 10:13 pm

Wrong as usual. It's not the content of the comment, but it's the fact that you never shut up. If you have a roll of gauze in your medic's bag, now is an excellent time to push it gently down your throat.

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February 17, 2021 at 01:01 am

I’ll make a deal with you, when you pick up a medic’s bag and go into a combat zone and save a trooper’s life under fire I’ll shut up. Or I’ll shut up when you take over this blog and ban me from posting. Until then, you are under no obligation to either read my posts or to respond. I place no expectations or make any demands on you or your posts so why do you impose your demands on me. Move on past my posts and read the ones that only say what you want hear.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 17, 2021 at 07:13 am

I'll make a deal with you: take all your preaching and biographical details about your social and other non-football related matters and write another book instead of rambling on and on about it here. Your football knowledge and related historical perspectives are generally interesting, but the other stuff.... is acrimonious and you tend to get a little carried away.

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February 17, 2021 at 07:47 am

Thank you for your editorial feedback. I will take it under advisement.

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February 17, 2021 at 10:59 am

That's nice, but where's my cookie?

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February 17, 2021 at 09:57 am

But you get to post political commentary whenever you feel like it?
Then tell other people to shut up when they post something that you don't agree with politically?
I thought it was your side that was so against 'cancel culture'.

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Swisch's picture

February 16, 2021 at 03:29 pm

What makes me so angry about BLM is that they exploit the real sufferings of black people to promote a different agenda that actually hurts black people -- for example, in supporting the breakdown of the natural family.
The radicals who rioted all summer in our cities could care less about blacks unless those blacks serve their radical purposes.
They'll club anyone of any color who gets in their way, and burn down our businesses, and destroy our lives.
For the likes of Antifa and BLM, it's not about people but power. People are just pawns.
The players in the NFL for the most part likely mean well, but they are being played as saps. Instead of being woke, I hope the players get wise.
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I suspect there were radical infiltrators at the Capitol on January 6th who were causing most of the real trouble, if not all of it. It seems a set-up to censor Trump and all of us who care about traditional America.
The Trump supporters seemed to have been actually ushered into the Capitol, which is after all a public building. I strongly suspect it's a ploy based on a plot.
If there were any Trump supporters involved, it was a miniscule amount of those at the rally, and an infinitesimal fraction of the 74 million or more who voted for Trump.
Since there has been no independent investigation, we don't really know what happened at the Capitol.
Also, there is no evidence that a police officer was killed by being hit with a fire extinguisher by a Trump supporter. The officer may have died from chemical sprays in the air. He also may have been a Trump supporter. Again, we don't know.
What we do know is that for years the Democrats and their media hacks have been spewing out lies about all sorts of things -- and are utterly untrustworthy.
They deny science, defy reality and decry reason in the name of their imaginary ideology -- which goes against all of the best principles of America.
It's about time to realize that there's an elitist establishment that utterly despises average Americans of all colors, and treats us as fools. They seek to dominate us by dividing us. It's all a distraction as they amass more and more of the wealth and power until we are all basically slaves on their plantations.
We need to stop being suckers to their trickery and treachery by uniting in solidarity across all colors for better jobs at better pay to support better families.
We need to reclaim our heritage as Americans to reclaim our freedoms.

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February 16, 2021 at 05:02 pm

Tip of the cap to you for this very true and well-structured comment. There is no way forward without the expulsion of identity politics, subversive educational material, teachers unions, a highly compromised news media, and disgusting politicians like the governor of NY (is that what you get when you breed Fred Flintstone with the Godfather?). It seems like the left has reached its zenith with all their shenanigans; the pendulum is already starting to swing the other way, and eventually we may be rid of them all.

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February 16, 2021 at 06:39 pm

Swisch, ask yourself if they were not Trump
Supporters why were they yelling “ fight for Trump, Hang Pence and seeking out Nancy Pelosi. More importantly why didn’t Trump condemn the violence and take steps to stop it? Why did he say that they were “good people and we love you”.
Those are not the words or actions of an official who is trying to stop a riot and save lives. Not to mention he did nothing for over 3 hours and did not bother to check on the safety of his VP who he knew was there with his family.
Ask yourself why the arrested rioters are claiming that they acted on orders from Trump?
You see this is not a Republican vs Democrats issue. January 6th would have happened if Trump was a Democrat which he claimed to be for most of his life. Also, the impeachment trial would have the same result if Trump was a Democrat except that the votes would be reversed. That is why I don’t have much use for either party. That’s why I’m an Independent. I can’t invest myself over people who only care about being re-elected without actually helping anyone and without care about what happens to the country or the people.

It’s not a matter of conservative vs liberals. Our politicians love keeping the voters divided because they know that with a divided electorate they will likely get half the votes. Then it is just a matter of winning over the undecided. They rarely speak about actual solutions rather they spend most of their campaign insulting their competitors. That doesn’t help any of us make an informed decision. Then they get into office and the lobbyists make them rich. Meanwhile our air, water and land is becoming polluted, which will eventually kill everyone but they keep us distracted by telling us to hate the Democrats or hate the Republicans. How stupid is that? I grew up in a large Italian family that was pretty evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans. Yet my aunts and uncles never had any animosity towards each other over their political affiliation or positions. I’m talking about the Civil Rights, Vietnam and Watergate eras. None of them care about us as much as any of us care about them. Another lesson I learned in the Nam. We were on our own in a war they knew was lost years before they sent any of us there.

I don’t regret my service at all, but I’ve come to peace with the reality of it a long time ago. The same will happen with the current era. Although there will be turmoil while our politicians play with people’s lives. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 09:37 pm

Since'61, it seems your news sources are the same ones who told us so confidently and so persistently that President Trump was colluding with Russia.
They also say without explanation that high school boys can compete in sports against girls if they simply identify as girls. Is that biology or ideology?
As I wrote above, I don't know what happened at the Capitol on January 6th. I'd like a fair investigation whatever it reveals, as long as it's the truth. Sad to say, I don't trust even the FBI these days to not play politics.
In any case, as I wrote sincerely above, the people like you who served in the military are among my heroes, and so are the police.
That's what 99.9 percent of Trump supporters feel about the military and police -- as I would estimate -- real respect and genuine love.
I'm an independent, too. In college, I had an internship as a community organizer in a Chicago neighborhood at the same time I was active in the campus pro-life group.
One thing I see that is unique from Trump, though, is putting Americans first. What a concept!
Let's see if the Democrats protect jobs from going to China. Let's see if they allow into our country waves of illegal immigrants even as Americans are struggling to make ends meet -- and we are supposedly still highly vulnerable to COVID.
(By the way, my wife is significantly Hispanic and Native American. In the distant past, she had three children with a black man, and these are my step-children. We recently moved to Georgia to be near to two of them, and hope the other will one day join us. By them, we have a multitude of grandchildren and even four great-grandchildren -- and racial background does not figure into my considerable love for each and every one of the entire bunch.)
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Trump represents faith, family, and freedom as traditionally understood in America. That's not partisan. It's just unfortunate that the Democrats literally hate most of what America stands for, and thus want to destroy the best of our heritage even as they are reversing our most cherished principles.
I grew up a Democrat. My grandfather was a bus driver for the City of Milwaukee. My mom went to a one-room schoolhouse just outside of Cedarburg, past the last covered bridge in Wisconsin. They both grew up very poor.
I went to college on a golf caddy scholarship (Evans Scholars) based partly on financial need.
I care deeply for the American worker, and the American worker is getting screwed. It seems a tiny clique of the luxuriously rich own almost everything in America. The middle class has been sold out to overseas workers. The urban poor are worse off than they were in the mid-1960s, even with trillions of dollars allocated to them by government.
The rich and powerful are trying to dominate average Americans of all colors by dividing us with cynical lies. Americans are not systemically racist. We're flawed, but for the most part we earnestly care about everyone without exception. We try to be kind all around.
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One more thing. My parents divorced when I was 13 or so. It was horrible for me, though I still love both of them devotedly, and pray earnestly for their departed souls.
We need to revive the family in America. I don't want to romanticize big Italian families such as yours too much; but as frustrating as they can be, we all deserve to be part of a natural family that is together for life.
To save America, we need better jobs for stronger families -- with help from the God of love. If we seek first the kingdom of heaven, then all the rest will be added unto us for a happy and healthy country.
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All the best to you, Since'61. My fondest regards to all of the fans here at CHTV, as well as the staff. May God bless all of us with wisdom and strength in the cause of true goodness.

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February 17, 2021 at 10:10 am

"Let's see if the Democrats protect jobs from going to China."

You do realize that both Donald and Ivanka Trump had their crap made in China for years, right?

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February 16, 2021 at 11:03 am

"The QB can be a rival of the coach for power. QB salaries are out of control. I wonder if it's really worth it to the team in most cases."

Swisch...I agree most cases the QB is over paid, except when they are the prime reason a team makes the SB. IE: Rodgers, Brady, Roethisberger, Mahommes, Manning(s), Wilson, Brees, mainly the HOF QB's. The outliers are the ones who make almost the same $'s as the future HOF's and may never achieve such success or become a one year wonder. Recent examples are Flacco, Stafford, Foles, Goff, Grappollo, Kaepernick, Newton, Ryan....the list goes on and on.

The reality in today's NFL if you want to win consistently you must have that Franchise future HOF QB. I can't think of a team over the past few decades that consistently win without said QB. I guess you could make an argument that Baltimore is one. Winning 2 SB's with average QB's, Flacco and Trent Dilfer. That said, they are not as consistent in making the playoffs as the ones with a HOF QB listed above. They win with Defense.

What does that tell us?

If you have that Golden Egg, treat them like one and have an open dialogue while allowing them to provide their input in team building.

Don't over pay for one year wonders or just a little above average or a stat maker like Stafford.

Build a solid Defense and keep drafting QB's till you find the Next Gem. Don't trade, FA pick up and pay for others mistakes. Of course, that is easier said than done.

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February 16, 2021 at 06:01 pm

murf, we may see things much the same way -- but the tricky thing is determining which of the quarterbacks are truly the great ones and which ones not as much.
It seems difficult to make the distinction, because it goes to attitude as well as talent.
For all of the great quarterbacking with the Packers since about 1993, only two Super Bowl victories. That's good, but then again . . . .
Bart Starr had five championships in a span of seven years; Terry Bradshaw four in the 1970s; Joe Montana four in the 1980s; and Tom Brady seven over his enduring career.
Other than them, most of the great QBs are fortunate to have one.
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Don Shula told a story about being a young coach with the Colts and calling a play at the end of a close game. Johnny Unitas disobeyed him as quarterback, but pulled off a great play for the victory. Then Unitas told Shula in paraphrase: That's the way things work around here.
In other words, the quarterback was ultimately in charge not the coach.
Shula told the story somewhat humorously -- but I'm thinking that he and Unitas never won a championship together; and maybe that story tells a lot about why.
Shula won two Super Bowls with the Dolphins, though, with a quarterback who was much less spectacular in Bob Griese.
Starr and Brady are also unspectacular quarterbacks with awesome results for their teams. Montana had a certain verve about him, but was also not really spectacular -- the West Coast offense is built around short passes.
Bradshaw had a flair for big plays to Swann and Stallworth, but mostly handed off to Harris and Bleier.
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To be a great quarterback requires not only talent but humility.
It is true that some great quarterbacks may never win a championship because their teams are never quite good enough; while lesser quarterbacks may have a ring or two.
For the most part, however, the success of quarterbacks seems to be intricately tied to their cooperation with their head coaches.
In the legendary drive in the Ice Bowl against the Cowboys, Starr moved the team downfield 68 yards for the winning touchdown after the offense had previously gain minus-9 yards in the entire second half. It was mostly short passes to Chuck Mercein and Donny Anderson in unspectacular but efficient fashion.
On the daring and decisive last play, when Starr suggested a quarterback sneak on the frozen field, Lombardi told him to go for it. The coach was able to defer to his quarterback because he trusted in his unwavering obedience.
That's the dynamic for champions. The coach has to be clearly in charge, and then he can trust the quarterback to help make key decisions.
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Unitas won two championships early in his career, but then none for the entire decade of the 1960s (before a late one in 1970 after he had declined).
Dan Marino led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl as a spectacular quarterback in his second season (a loss to Montana and the 49ers), but then never made it back again to the big game.
Big Ben has won two with the Steelers, but has not even been to the Super Bowl again since he later lost to the Packers and Aaron Rodgers in 2010.
Since then, neither has been back.
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My theory is that maybe some of the great quarterbacks get carried away with their greatness in one way or another.
Maybe they rely on their greatness too much to the detriment of involving their teammates enough.
Maybe they undermine their coaches intentionally or unintentionally.
Maybe Marino was highly cooperative with Shula all the years the two were together, for example, but they were so enamored of the passing game that they somehow neglected the running game.
It seems Brett Favre (who is still a favorite of mine) got carried away with his gun-slinging soon after winning his one Super Bowl -- and for all the very good things he did with the Packers afterwards, he also recklessly threw away at least two opportunities for championships.
Aaron Rodgers is also a favorite of mine, but I'm concerned about his enigmatic personality and apparent slyness.
Maybe he's been really cooperative with his coaches all along; but maybe, over the years, he's become more and more willing to exert his growing status against them to get things his way.
Maybe in crunch time against the Bucs, Rodgers disregarded Matt LaFleur, more or less, in a way that was inappropriate and detrimental to the team. Then again, maybe he didn't.
I don't know. However, it's a critical question for the Packers that must be addressed, at least internally right away.
What I've been saying in several comments here at CHTV is that the key to the Packers winning a Super Bowl in the next couple of season is that Rodgers defers to MLF as the head coach.
If Rodgers is willing, I'll gladly go with him as our leader on the field, win or lose.
If he's not, I would move on tomorrow.

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February 16, 2021 at 06:34 pm

"If Rodgers is willing, I'll gladly go with him as our leader on the field, win or lose.
If he's not, I would move on tomorrow."

Please move on. Believe me, you and your long winded, conspiracy riddled diatribes with no evidence to back them up, won't be missed.

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February 16, 2021 at 09:46 am

There are numerous parts to this equation.
There are the owners who have the money and also take all of the financial risk. There are the team executives and coaches who are responsible for generating revenue streams, administration, operations on and off the field and the coaches who are responsible for winning games.
Then there are the players who are responsible for executing on the field to the best of their abilities. That is what they are paid for and that is what they agree to do when they sign their contracts.
If a team wants to give a player like Aaron Rodgers a voice in the team’s offense that is fine. But the parameters need to be clear. A voice in the offense does should not mean that Rodgers tells the team who they will draft or who they will sign as an FA. It does not mean that Rodgers will tell the team how to generate revenue from concessions, memorabilia, etc. Or who to hire in executive or coaching roles. Rodgers is well paid and it is well earned based on his performance on the field and his role in working with MLF and the OC on developing the offensives schemes and weekly game planning.

“If everyone is in charge, then no one is in charge.”

Player empowerment should go as far as that players role can legitimately and effectively maximize their contribution to the team. The same holds true for every role in the organization or any organization for that matter.

If a Manager in a company has been responsible for a unit producing $5 million of earnings it is unlikely that manager will be promoted to run a unit which produces $50 or $100 million of earnings. More likely that manager would be promoted to a unit generating $10-15 million of earnings and be empowered for that level of responsibility.

I really don’t know what is going on with the Texans but they are obviously is disarray and have been for quite some time. That situation is usually the result of poor decision making and poor communications. When highest paid players (employees) want out that is a clear sign of organizational dysfunction. From what I can tell Watson is in a lose/lose situation. He can be traded but that doesn’t mean he won’t find himself in another dysfunctional organization. My question is where is the league (Goodell) and the NFLPA in this situation? The Texans could become a team no one (FAs and/or draft picks) want to play for. Which is bad for the league, the other owners and the fans.
We’ll see. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 10:04 am

Ultimately, we need to ask "why does the NFL--and by extension any professional sports league--exist?"

The answer is: to make money for its owners. We can talk about entertainment, or raw competition, or anything else, but the league itself isn't there for altruistic reasons. It's there because the owners see an opening for profit just like any other industry. They produce a product that we consume.

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February 16, 2021 at 10:18 am

And from that profit, we hope they make the altruistic donations that help make life better for the people as a whole.

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February 16, 2021 at 10:36 am

Absolutely correct! It’s the reason why players like Aaron Rodgers and Derek Jeter and others are buying into professional teams. They literally know where the money is. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 10:12 am

IMO, Watson signed that contract for his own personal gains called the highest paid QB, and gave not a single thought to where the Team was or going, since it was obvious to every other team, the media, and fan for at least a year, and more so with the trade of Hopkins.

This is like the person who orders a steak, cooked rare, and then cries foul after he eats it, and claims it was medium, and won't pay.

Watson ordered his steak, got what he wanted, and now cries foul after seeing the dishwasher cooked the steak because the restaurant can't afford a Chef and management doesn't know how or who to hire worthy of the position.

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February 16, 2021 at 10:43 am

Taryn - I agree with you that Watson has no reason to complain about his contract but he does have the right to complain about the situation with the team and to want out.

The flip side is, is Watson willing to sacrifice his contract to be traded? If the answer is no, then he should be quiet and suck it up. If the answer is yes, then he should ask for his release as Watt did. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 10:47 am

I argue that ARod's position with the team--signing his current extension at the bottom of the McCarthy years--negates most who argue he's been wasted. He chose that situation and lucked out that he didn't get mired in a rebuild that left him Archie Manning-ed. Why? $$ and to preserve his public persona...at least, that's what I would assert.

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February 16, 2021 at 12:02 pm

The time for Watson to want out was after Houston trading Hopkins and the path all saw Houston going, and that was before he signed that contract, 8 months prior.

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February 16, 2021 at 10:14 am

Starts at the top, trickles down. In Packers case, all the poor decision making at the executive level within our division has been a boon to numerous division titles, prosperity, and expansion of 1265 Lombardi Ave. Yin & yang. Art of War...Sun Tzu: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake...the Supreme Art of War is to subdue the enemy without fighting."

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February 16, 2021 at 10:24 am

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake...the Supreme Art of War is to subdue the enemy without fighting."

In the Packers situation.

"We have seen the enemy and they are us"
Walt Kelly, Pogo cartoon, 1960's.

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February 16, 2021 at 03:57 pm

As my cousins say '61. "He's a loon". Half that state is laughing at the Texans till they remember who owns the Cowboys. Nothing brings Texas together like football, marching as one to hang both owners from the highest point in the state. Both teams are awful messes directly caused by their owners. Unless the owners want to force a sale, this will go on for a few more or 20plus years. Heck no one raised a finger when the Colts' owner went on repeated drug related binges. The NFL would rather just ride this out. I don't blame them.

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February 16, 2021 at 12:07 pm

You people have no idea how badly i feel for D Watson and R Wilson. Can you imagine how awful it is to be disrespected that much by their teams? Im going to have to call Service Master to do some flood clean up from me crying all over my living room floor.

Tomorrow im going to go tell my boss that unless he pays me 40,000,001$ a year for the next 4 years im not going to be able to work for him anymore.

Boo hoo this is terrible that NFL teams disrespect their players like that.

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February 16, 2021 at 09:43 pm

If you can generate between $500 million and $1 billion in revenue for your boss I’m sure that he will be happy to pay you $40 million per year. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 10:09 am

Rodgers wasn’t consulted in our last draft, just guessing but have a feeling, and he still went out and busted his butt. Everybody should stick to the job they were hired for. Executives make decisions that affect their job and spend tons of time researching players and calculating money issues going forward. How much time do you think Wilson, and other QBs, spend on their research? It was said that if you listen to the fans, you will end up sitting in the stands with them. I think this applies to the players as well

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February 16, 2021 at 09:25 pm

I'm pretty sure last year Rodgers threw away what seemed like 100 balls out of bounds because nobody was open. Rodgers had good numbers despite this happening way too often.
A good GM looks at it as :

2021 NFL Draft ( A.) My QB's talent is in regression.....#1 draft pick must be a future starting QB.

(B.) The WR talent my QB has on hand needs a #1 and #2 pick in the draft because the
WR's on hand are not developing fast enough or have hit their ceiling.

(REALITY) The GM chose poorly and the QB is THE MVP despite not giving him top level WR talent to work with. And, we lost another NFCC game.

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February 17, 2021 at 11:13 pm

Good post Phantom II. Just to support your point about Rodger’s play in 2020 and the lack of quality WRs after Adams consider this. The Packers led the league in yardage lost, 552 yards lost, due to passes dropped by their WRs not named Adams. This figure is the minimum amount of yards lost since there is no way to account for YAC if those passes had been caught.

Rodgers would have had a higher completion %, more yards passing, more yards per attempt, possibly a few more TDs, a higher QB rating, and a lower interception rating, etc.

For me the yardage lost stat is the best indicator that the Packers needed at least one more legit NFL receiver in 2020 and that need still remains. We’ll see if Gute finally addresses that Ned during this offseason. Thanks, Since ‘61

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February 16, 2021 at 10:31 am

Watson signs a 160 million dollar contract extension and you say he needs to be empowered. Cory, are you a millennial? Perhaps Watson would be more content if the team handed him a soccer medal or trophy. Get real, play ball, grow a pair, live with your monetary decisions, which in Watson's case won the lottery.

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February 16, 2021 at 11:09 am

BAMA....Is Watson even that great? The jury is still out IMO. Either way, he seems extremely selfish which normally doesn't = greatness.

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February 16, 2021 at 12:08 pm

Great QBs can drag a bad team to a winning record. Watson can barely drag a bad team to 4 wins. He hasn't proved he earned or deserves that contract. Houston gave it to him believing he'd be there for its duration and beyond. Blame the FO for not seeing who Watson really is, but blame Watson for the deceit he played, but accuses the FO of in the same breath.

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February 16, 2021 at 11:10 am

Owners should own, coaches should coach, players should play, officials should officiate, cheerleaders should cheer, fans should be fans, vendors should vend, groundskeepers should groundskeep. Stay in your lane and there’ll be fewer accidents .

You come to a party that’s been going on for 100 years and you tell the people who’ve made you rich and famous what you think they should do? Seriously?

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February 16, 2021 at 01:45 pm

Interesting that we can find every player's salary on line, but rarely see what the owners make (or lose).

Also, schedules and position in the draft are based on rules to promote parity but the salary cap number is the same for every team.

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February 16, 2021 at 01:49 pm

Agree with Taryn 100%. With Hopkins already traded for a couple of warm six packs, why on earth did Watson sign? He is completely responsible for painting himself in to a corner, all for the opportunity to make the six o'clock news. He is not so accomplished as a leader that he has earned the right to sway coaching and personnel decisions. Very few, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and of course Trubisky, have done it long enough to have that stroke and even then, on a limited basis.

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February 16, 2021 at 03:39 pm

Well, I was told the owners did offer to restructure the overall agreement to give players a say in rule making and salary structure in both of the last two contracts. The players turn it down both times. Hard to blame them with the playing life of an NFL player being so short. The nature of the game itself gives the owners tremendous power, most players accept this. But doing the things which could make the game better for the fans, and the players is being brushed aside for extremely short term gain. Until the owners and players accept that they need time to get physically ready as a team, and clean up the mess that rule making and official game crews has become, the NFL will continue to decline and become non-watchable in the near future.

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February 16, 2021 at 10:56 pm

The single most important item that most fans don't get is that NFL players make what they make because they are a rare commodity and they have leverage.

Owners pay exorbitant salaries to QBs because there isn't enough QBs with NFL level talent to go around.

QB's with NFL level talent leverage this fact and are in position to ask more of their employers in terms of contract or benefits or role.

Simply put, NFL owners will quit paying QBs more or giving them more control when it is no longer in their best interests to do so. Until that point comes, it is safe to say any negative impacts a QB's contract may incur on team performance must be considered acceptable to the bottom line by the NFL owner.. otherwise, they simply wouldn't sign the contracts.

Frankly, many fans belly ache and gripe about "spoiled pro athletes" because they themselves don't have a rare commodity or skill set to leverage against their own employers. Pro athletes earn what they earn because they generate massive revenue and the pool of qualified workers with their skill set is extremely limited. Like it or not, pro athletes really are "special" and they have tools and skills that make them aggressively sought after commodities.

Trust me.. if you were one of the only 64 to perhaps 96 people on the planet with the developed god-given talent to do a specialized job that only had 32 openings in the world and generated hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars of revenue for an industry... you'd bargain for the best deal you could get, too.

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NickPerry's picture

February 17, 2021 at 07:01 am

"But here is where it gets muddier — Watson signed his 4-year, $160 million extension after Hopkins was traded."

I've read just about everyones comments and most have made excellent points. For all the number of times I've disagreed with TarynsEyes, I couldn't agree more with many of her comments here.

Watson signed his deal AFTER Hopkins was traded AND several other horrible to bad decisions the Texans have made. HE signed the deal and when he did so he commited himself to the Texans. He comminted to to the Texans to PLAY FOOTBALL, NOT PLAY GM. Players play, coaches coach, and GM's get the players. It's been done this way for a ery long time and the Players AND Owners have REAPED the benifits. The day that changes and players have more input is the day the NFL begins to really lose, ESPECIALLY teams like the Packers. The NFL will becomes just like the NBA. No offense and I LOVE Wisonsin. BUT where do you suppose most of these KIDS will want to play if they get the power to decide?

Hint...It aint where it's -6 degrees as I type this!

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NickPerry's picture

February 17, 2021 at 07:01 am

"But here is where it gets muddier — Watson signed his 4-year, $160 million extension after Hopkins was traded."

I've read just about everyones comments and most have made excellent points. For all the number of times I've disagreed with TarynsEyes, I couldn't agree more with many of her comments here.

Watson signed his deal AFTER Hopkins was traded AND several other horrible to bad decisions the Texans have made. HE signed the deal and when he did so he commited himself to the Texans. He comminted to to the Texans to PLAY FOOTBALL, NOT PLAY GM. Players play, coaches coach, and GM's get the players. It's been done this way for a ery long time and the Players AND Owners have REAPED the benifits. The day that changes and players have more input is the day the NFL begins to really lose, ESPECIALLY teams like the Packers. The NFL will becomes just like the NBA. No offense and I LOVE Wisonsin. BUT where do you suppose most of these KIDS will want to play if they get the power to decide?

Hint...It aint where it's -6 degrees as I type this!

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fastmoving's picture

February 17, 2021 at 02:13 pm

Players are humans first and should and will be empowered. And it was always kind of that, if a super QB with a mega Million deal is not lucky he will play that way and he will get his wish sooner or later. Favre did his all the time in his later years and Moss and Lynch are just the tip of the iceberg.
Of course the dramaqueen crowd will scream "they get so much money and so they are slaves...we have to go to work everyday and have to do whatever our boss wants us to do" , but thats the only thing they always do. The only thing that made them feel less misserable. But in the end Corey is right and everyone knows it besides the orange smarties.....
But hey, today its a great day anyway and nowbody cares about the "goodoldtimecrap".

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