Are the Packers better off losing to the Vikings on Sunday?

The reasoning goes beyond simply avoiding a first-round matchup against Seattle.

At this point, it really doesn’t matter who the Packers play in the playoffs. With an offense this anemic and an offensive line obliterated by injuries, the playoff future of our favorite football team looks bleak.

But, this is the NFL. We’ve seen mediocre teams catch fire and win Super Bowls before. Right now, it doesn’t look like the Packers will be that mediocre team this season, but you never know.

Let’s pretend we’re all more hopeful than we actually are for a moment. How does that feel? Being optimistic feels good, doesn’t it? Let’s stay in that mindset and ask ourselves a question: Should the Packers throw in the towel against the Vikings on Sunday?

I’m not advocating that the Packers should concede Sunday’s game and another division title, but, well, it kinda sorta makes sense.

  • The Packers offensive line is an injured mess. Do we want to force all those guys back out there to play through whatever ailments they have on Sunday night? Or would it make more sense to give them a week off to recover and get healthier for the postseason?
  • Aaron Rodgers was a tackling dummy against Arizona. He could probably use a week off, too. And do we really want him playing on Sunday night if his tackles are once again Don Barclay and Josh Walker (or J.C. Tretter)?
  • Speaking of injuries, another week for Sam Shields to heal would be nice. Clay Matthews has also disappeared, he could probably use a rest. Julius Peppers is old, you can't tell me he couldn't use a week off at this point in the season.
  • If the Packers lose Sunday, they would travel to Washington to play the team with a racial slur for a nickname in the first round. If the Packers win, they’d host Seattle or Minnesota at Lambeau. Washington is nowhere near as good as Seattle and not as good as Minnesota. The Packers chances of catching fire in the postseason go up, way up in my opinion, if they start out against Washington instead of Seattle or Minnesota.
  • "But we should try and host a home playoff game!" The Packers lost to Detroit at home and Chicago on Favre/Starr night. I don’t think homefield advantage helps them much.
  • “But we should try to win another division title!” Nobody cares about division titles. Nobody.

See, I told you taking next week off wasn’t a crazy thought. There are reasons beyond simply trying to avoid a playoff matchup with Seattle.

Will the Packers do it? Not a chance. Should they do it? I don’t know.

Either way, here’s to the Packers pulling a rabbit out of their hats and making some kind of improbable playoff run. Go Pack Go!

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Portland Mark's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:09 pm

After watching the Vikings dominate the division in the 70s I hope the Packers win on Sunday and continue dominating the North. That said, if they have players who are hurt, let them rest.

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MCM's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:12 pm

Washington is 6-2 at home this season.

Kirk Cousins is completing 75% of his passes with a 16TD:2INT ratio at home this season.

But we're judging them by their current 8-7 record? Not sure what makes them any less scary than Seattle who just lost at home to the Rams.

Win, gain confidence and momentum, get a home playoff game, and play Seattle/Minnesota. Everything breaks the Packers way they host a NFC Champ game.

Resting players because the matchup looks better on paper (even though stats show it doesn't) is laughable.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:57 pm

"I’m not advocating that the Packers should concede...."

followed by a "but..."

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:16 pm

Absolutely logical.... My comments today reflect this concept and I have been receiving heat for even thinking of it....glad to see it. But the Packer Organization has on many occasion played games they would benefit from losing but sportsmanship ruled the decision. For Example: the Troy Aikman award for the first place draft pick...if the Packers lose to the St. Louis Cardinals it was theirs....but no....they played to win....turned out they dropped in the draft..passed on Barry Sanders and chose Mandrich...go figure.

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Ibleedgreenmore's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:28 pm

That had to be the worst draft pick ever, what were they thinking can you imagine having Sanders.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:48 pm

It was. Mandarich turned into a Doughboy and Sanders, well you know the rest

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WinUSA's picture

December 30, 2015 at 05:48 am

Sherrie had a horrible compound fractured leg that never heeled

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:15 pm

"heeled" What do you mean? Could it be "healed"?

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WinUSA's picture

December 30, 2015 at 05:58 am

Sherrod had a horrible compound fractured leg that never heeled...not the same as a juicer!

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Tundraboy's picture

December 31, 2015 at 03:53 pm

Like 3 or 4 as a scrub. Mandarich was the biggest bust of them all. Never did a thing.He was hyped as a monster that would single handedly resurrect any team even the Packers.

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

December 31, 2015 at 04:19 pm

Ibleedgreenmore, I would put it a different way. It turned out to be the worst #1 decision of all time. Handing #1 pick Jamal Reynolds $10 Million to sweep out the locker room, or whatever he did , can't be too far behind, not to mention #1 pick Harrell & his bad arm. I probably could come up with a couple more. You are correct though, We can only imagine what Barry Sanders would have done in Green Bay.

Question: For Anyone

What was worse? The Manderich pick, or the Hadle trade?LVT

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Tundraboy's picture

January 01, 2016 at 10:37 am

Tough call but I'll still go with Mandarich, because of the great talent that was passed on for him.

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Nick Perry's picture

January 01, 2016 at 10:55 am

OMG The Hadl Trade! 2 First Round, 2 Second Round, and a 3rd Ronder all for a 34 year old QB? The Manderich pick was bad, especially since Sanders was there but the Hadl trade killed them for the next several years. The guy Hadl replaced was Jerry Tagge who was picked 11th overall just a few years before in 1972.

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 01, 2016 at 02:40 pm

Hadl, hands down. It wiped out 2 drafts for the Packers.

Tagge was terrible and never should have been selected w/ the 1st a couple years earlier. That shows how badly the Packers were run in the 70's. Tagge got picked cuz he went to GB West HS and the BOD, executive committee wanted to make some nice headlines picking the hometown kid.

Barry Sanders was an outrageously talented RB, but playing in Lambeau he wouldn't have been as unGodly good as playing on the artificial surface in Det.

If it hadn't been for Aikman, Mandarich would have been the choice for almost every other team. But Barry Sander, Deion Sanders and Derrick Thomas would have all looked better in GB in hindsight. But most considered Mandarich a can't miss OT and the best player in the draft regardless of position.

Mandarich might have been rivaled as a bust, by Audrey Bruce going #1 overall to Atl, the previous year.

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johnnyd17's picture

December 29, 2015 at 02:51 pm

passed on Barry and Dion Sanders and Derrick Thomas, all HOF ers

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Bryce Hansen's picture

December 29, 2015 at 05:52 pm

Yeah, this doesn't seem to be crazy to me. But the packers won't sit everyone.

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Ima fubar's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:22 pm

Some of you are making an assumption the Packers have a chance to beat the Vikings who put up 38 points or more in the past two games and are running on all the cylinders one would want to be running on going into the playoffs versus at team, that for the lucky early 6 wins has shown to be a less than average team at best that last half the season.

I'm way tired of hearing about all the O line injuries. Had these guys been in shape, had they been bigger and stronger like the average size O lines our there this may not be a problem. Mike likes em small.

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Razer's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:20 pm

"...Some of you are making an assumption the Packers have a chance to beat the Vikings who put up 38 points or more in the past two games and are running on all the cylinders.."

So true. We need to hope that we are still in this one at the half. We seem to be getting worse as the season goes on. Not sure how we "clean that up".

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Bearmeat's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:29 pm

You are a proven Vikings troll. This forum is for actual Packer fans. Not douches who pretend to be Packers fans for whatever stupid reasons they justify their actions with.

Go away.

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:19 pm

Actually, his posts demonstrate a lot of insight. Yours, on the other hand always seem to start with a "duh ya". And that says it all, Bearmeat.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:06 pm

Actually the Packers have beaten the Vikings this season already. Not just beaten, but wholly dominated. Just sayin...

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:25 pm

C'mon Pete, that was light years ago. That's when we were playing a little less than mediocre. If we were embarrassed with the Cardinals game, what will it be like when we get humiliated by the rival Vikings in our house? Our dominance has declined with a thud, and as long as MM and TT are running the team, it will continue to spiral downwards. The arrows of our rivals are all pointing up. Ours, unfortunately is pointing down, waaaay down.

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PaulRosik's picture

December 30, 2015 at 02:23 pm

The arrow of our rivals is all pointing up? LOL thanks for the laugh. The VIkings go to the NFCCG with Favre and then go to 2 playoff appearances over the last 6 years. The Bears were in the NFCCG (where they oh yeah lost to the Packers) and then haven't made the playoff in the 5 years since. The Lions are well the Lions and have been in the playoffs twice since the turn of the millennium and haven't won a playoff game since 1991. The Packers are in the playoffs this year, playing at home for the Division Crown won the Super Bowl after the 2010 season, were in the NFCCG in 2015 have been in the playoffs the last 7 years straight.

I know your'e frustrated but come on man have some honesty over who's been the dominant force in this division for a decade and counting.

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dschwalm's picture

December 31, 2015 at 10:43 am

Thanks, Cow. Most Packers fans on this site bring up past glories to defend their position that this year is just an anomaly and they will be fine "next game" or "next year". Every team in NFC North and many others in other Divisions improved significantly in the off season except the Packers.

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4thand1's picture

December 31, 2015 at 02:09 pm

Give me a break dschlong. This team is so banged up it's unbelievable. The Patriots lost Gronk and Eddleman for 2 games and lost both of them. It's a f-ing miracle they've managed to win 10 games this year.

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PaulRosik's picture

January 01, 2016 at 01:17 pm

Every other NFC North team can improve because they all sucked so bad. And plus the Bears and Lions totally suck and regressed compared to last years teams. None of them have an arrow up except maybe the VIkes with a good D, but they can only ever go so far with their JAG QB. The entire NFC has regressed this year other than Carolina and Arizona. The NFC is weak and totally top heavy

And be careful of throwing in your lot with Cow. he says the Packs have regressed every year. He has a pathological NEED for the Packers to be bad and roots for it every season. His entire internet persona is wrapped up with the idea that the Packers are bad and if he just keeps harping on it year after year after year finally some year he might be right. But so far they keep defying him and making the playoffs anyway.

The team is certainly not playing as well as last year - when they were putting up 50 on teams at Lambeau. But it is more a product of poor confidence and injuries than of a lack of talent on either side of the ball.

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Bugeater's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:07 pm

I think this is a very reasonable option. It's a good strategy and you're so right: They need to heal if they have any chance to have success in January.

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Spud Rapids's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:07 pm

I don't know what the hell is wrong with you people... Fire Thompson, Fire McCarthy, Trade Rodgers... grow up and deal with a season that hasn't exceeded your expectations. You are like the little brats at the store who's parents won't buy them candy so they throw little tantrums.

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Bugeater's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:01 pm

That's such a great idea! Wouldn't it be exciting to clean house every year or so like all those successful teams like the Bears, Vikings, Lions, Browns, Bills, Bucs, etc. etc. etc. Let's get right on this genius strategy!

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Nick Perry's picture

December 29, 2015 at 06:04 am

Actually you're wrong again, at least about Ryan. I agree 110% with you on TT and can only hope Gomer Mark Murphy Pyle makes a change at GM.

Jake Ryan should have been playing from the beginning of the season if he was healthy (I can't recall if he's been injured) instead of Nate Palmer, another of Ted's "Cure all Problems" a UDFA. The truth of the matter is Thompson hasn't found a UDFA that can make a difference since Sam Shields. Maybe Elliot is that guy but how much did we see im since he beat the Seahawaks himself in week 2?

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=111962&draftyear...

That's a link to Ryans Combine results and rankins coming out. One thing is certain, he's doesn't move like a Glacier. Actually not bad for a ILB.

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WinUSA's picture

December 29, 2015 at 09:24 am

Right or Wrong Cow...that was a hoot of a comment!!! LOL

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PaulRosik's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:06 am

Why is getting rid of everyone and totally sucking your guarantee that they will be great later? All it guarantees is that they will suck. For every panthers team that was 1 - 15 a couple year ago there are a dozen teams that sucked a few years ago - and still suck now. I vote for not sucking.

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Duke Divine's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:55 pm

Enjoy your 10 win seasons that are so satisfying for you. "Stay the course" until another hall of fame QB retires with one ring and enjoy your satisfaction with the one ring. Sorry some of us are not going to do that. The NFL is a consistently fluid league and if your approach from top to bottom is not as fluid and you rest on your laurels you will sink as we are witnessing now. McCarthy has not changed a thing in his game planning. They still call a game as if they had Jordy healthy and Jennings and Driver in their prime. How can you not adjust to quick passing west coast schemes to protect your QB from the rush. McCarthy couldn't scheme his way out of a paper bag. For years talent and winning one on one battles had been successful, now without that talent he is showing an inability to adjust at all. Guys run 20 yards down field and turn around, that's not going to work Mike as the last 3 months of film have shown!! Yet McCArthy expects different results each week. And you're insanely OK with it! Look at the next opponent for an example of proper adjustments. Vikings line is playing very poorly in pass pro and Peterson is being keyed on by defenses; Turner goes to short quick hitting west coast routes and completely adjusts his schemes with a new approach base on his offensive deficiencies. What happens??? Teddy starts having career days with dink and dunk shit because thats what the current personnel allows them to do. What does McCarthy do in the face of the same problems??? "STAY THE COURSE," of course. Same plan each week, same results. The QB, the coach and the O-line are all doing something different and are at each other's throats and don't trust one another at all. Say what you want for those of us that expect better but the fact is you are already like a Detroit, MN, and Chicago fan without the need for annual staff/coaching/ office turnover. You just feel blessed to get 10 wins and into the playoffs. Sorry some of us refuse to be happy and satisfied with a 10 win season after being so close to a championship last year and we try to elaborate on what could make it better and vent a little when frustrated with the lack of answers or ideas from the head guy. If that makes me a brat then so be it. Id rather expect greatness and be a brat in your eyes then be satisfied with 2 hall of fame QBs combining for 2 rings in 30 years. It's the NFL and if you are not getting better you are getting worse. And its the Green Bay Packers, and Packer backers are NOT satisfied with what is being put on the field every week as of late. F the Vikes!

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Duke Divine's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:16 pm

My eloquent response was a reply to Spud "staying the course" as the league passes him by.

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ray nichkee's picture

December 28, 2015 at 07:40 pm

He had you at enjoy- because you cant read something that long if it isnt in your al cow da brochure.

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tjm65's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:29 pm

Exactly

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:39 pm

Thanks Duke. Well said

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pooch's picture

December 28, 2015 at 05:16 pm

Didnt read,post was to long

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Nick Perry's picture

December 29, 2015 at 06:06 am

You should have!

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PaulRosik's picture

December 28, 2015 at 07:37 pm

Duke, No one is ever happy about losing. No one. Where you get this totally asinine idea that anyone is ok with what happened at the NFCCG last year is mystifying. Where you get any idea that people are satisfied and don't want anything to change is offensive and incredibly stupid. No one is satisfied, Ever. When the Packers win a Super Bowl in 2010 what I want next year is of course another Super Bowl win. Everyone does.

But the idea you espouse to me are the surest way to take a team that can win 11 games and win the division again and turn it into a team that can win 4 games ad be a blight to watch every Sunday. So yes to answer your question I would rather have a team that competes every year than to have one that goes totally south leaving us to wonder when and if it will ever come back again.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:48 pm

You can't argue w/ stupidity. McCarthy and Thompson aren't perfect, but they are very good and have led the Packers to a SB title that they made possible. They acquired the players and put them in position to win. Anyone can't see that is just beyond dumb and moronic. They will get the Packers to the promised land again.

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Samson's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:03 pm

Duke --- Good to see that there are still fans that understand the bottom line. -- This team is AR, has been for years. --- Both TT & MM are JAGs as GM & HC. -- They've been riding AR's coattails for years. --- The window is closing fast.

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Duke Divine's picture

December 29, 2015 at 09:57 am

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4689322-aaron-rodgers-packers-offen...

"Limited personnel around the QB has exposed just how reliant McCarthy is on Rodgers being Rodgers."

I'm not asking for regime change! I'm asking for scheme change and adjustments in the face of personnel losses and weaknesses. You have to stop trotting out the same exact game that you have used for the last 10 years. The personnel cannot successfully execute pushing the ball down field. It's all speculation but I guarantee McDaniels and Belichek could adjust with the Packers current personnel and score a few times per game. McCarthy cannot adjust a game plan!!!

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Curry Rambeau's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:21 pm

Ha!

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WinUSA's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:26 pm

Hey Spud... chill.... fan is short for fanatic...that is what a Packer fan is, passionate, loyal, emotional, and most of all...they love and know football.

Any reaction or comment on this site is just as equal in their opinion as the next guy...like the opinion or not... you belittlement isn't worthy of you.

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:31 pm

I guess you haven't been watching the games this year, Spud. But stay with the name-calling if that helps you make your trite point.

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bjkdad44's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:22 pm

Finally... Someone has a brain! Spud is soooo correct!!!

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Curry Rambeau's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:22 pm

Just waiting for our "guys" to make the second year jump. Year after year.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2015 at 05:26 pm

The funny thing is, the majority of the stay the course people were probably cool with canning Shermie.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 28, 2015 at 06:26 pm

Sure. And the 'fire everyone' people are the ones who always said let's give brett one more shot at the SB...

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:04 pm

Sherman wasn't canned. He opted to leave because he didn't want to work with Ted Thompson.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:44 pm

He was canned right after the 4-12 season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=packerssherman

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Oppy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:35 am

I'm sorry I can not find it for you, but I know for a fact Bob Harlan has gone on record and stated that he asked Mike Sherman to stay on as Head Coach of the Green Bay Packers, but he would concede his General Manager title to Ted Thompson and work with him going forward.

Remember, Mike Sherman was GM/Head Coach at that time.

I'll do my best to find the quote/audio/video for you.

EDIT: Here is a little scrap I found- not exactly the bit I'm looking for, because Harlan isn't quoted as saying he offered Sherman to stay and work with Ted- but it does state that the primary reason Sherman was put out was because he refused to work with the new GM. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/harlans-regret-illustrat...

Would also like to add that Thompson gave Sherman a $6.4 million 2-year extension after being GM for 8 months.

Yes, Sherman was "Fired", but he was only asked to leave because he refused to work with Ted Thompson. For the record, Ted Thompson took all the heat for making the decision to "fire" Sherman, but Harlan's own comments in the article posted above and the fact TT extended Sherman a few scant months before he was relieved of his duties shows that Harlan was the trigger man but clearly the intent was to keep Sherman on board. Sherman didn't want to play nice, they cut him loose.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:17 am

Oppy, since you have a definite recollection, I will be happy to accept it as accurate. Florio's article was interesting. Sounds like Sherman made a bad decision, if he really did not do everything he could to make the relationship with TT work.

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Oppy's picture

December 30, 2015 at 09:55 am

I shouldn't have worded my original statement as I had;
Sherman was under contract and technically was fired.

What I meant to convey is that it was not The Packers simply deciding that Mike Sherman wasn't fit to be Head Coach of the Packers because he had one bad season, and it wasn't a case of a General Manager (TT) deciding he wanted 'HIS GUY' for the HC.

From Harlan's own words, to TT's actions (extending Sherman), the picture is clearly painted- The Packers wished to retain Mike Sherman as Head Coach of the Green Bay Packers, but Mike Sherman's actions decided his own fate.

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PaulRosik's picture

December 28, 2015 at 07:54 pm

No one is content.
No one is ever content.

When you're a winning team change is adding Lacy and Clinton-Dix and Tretter and Bakhtiari and Linsley and R Rodgers and Hyde and Randall and Adams and Rollins the past few seasons Those are changes and if they don't work you change again. And yes I would rather watch a 10 win team with a chance in the playoffs than to watch a 2 win team and hope someday they get better. I really think you'd rather watch the 2 win team and fiddle while the franchise burns.

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:00 pm

If the way things are has led to the second most successful winning percentage in the league in the last decade, it's probably safe to assume that the other guys who do this football thing for a living aren't doing it as well as your current guys are.

Not saying it's automatic that a change would be for the worse- but it's likely considering the current guys are doing it better than almost anyone else.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:38 pm

Thank God for that! Almost impossible to find a better triumvirate.

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Oppy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 08:46 pm

Mark my words:

This 11-5 divisional champ (best case scenario)
or 11-6 (worst case) wildcard

playoff team that has UNDER PERFORMED (think about that for a second)

is just an anomaly

and a top 5-10 offense will return next season

and the Packers and particularly Aaron Rodgers will look just fine once again

and many fans that were whoopin 'n' hollerin for wholesale change will feel silly and work hard to forget what was said and pretend they never did say.

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Oppy's picture

December 30, 2015 at 10:01 am

The idea that a very small sample size of a person's work represents a clearer picture of what they are than the bulk of the available data is ridiculous.

Aaron Rodgers has played QB at the highest level perhaps EVER seen for 5 seasons. Rodgers is in a slump.

Get a grip. Better yet, go away. You're not a Packers fan with concern and constructive criticism, you are clearly a fan of talking rubbish and stirring the pot.

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December 30, 2015 at 02:29 pm

Very true oppy. Cow is the sort of "Packer fan" that when the Packers win a Super Bowl will tell you why it was a bad thing. He clearly hopes and prays for the Packers to lose so he can bitch.

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:38 pm

I wonder if you will still feel that way after a few more mediocre seasons with who was once referred to the best QB in the league? Cmon, what are the reasons for optimism next year?

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Spud Rapids's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:11 pm

What you all fail to neglect is this team has been stripped of talent in the coaching staff and front office... The Raiders, Chiefs and Seahawks are oganizations with their arrows pointing up and former Packer front office staff Reggie McKenzie, John Dorsey and John Schneider all came from Ted Thompson.

The rest of the league strives to do what the Packers due as an organization so much to a point they keep hiring away Packers talent.

I am not happy with the offense this season but I do have perspective that the Packers are one of finest ran organizations in the league. One can argue the best because we don't have allegations of cheating every other week. For all you to be so critical is ridiculous because all of you including myself don't know shot about running or coaching an NFL team. What I do know is that if the rest of the league is striving to have the success the Packers are and hiring away their talent, I trust them way more than I trust you spoiled knot heads.

You can take this as my official resignation from CHTV because I don't want to be part of such a negative forum. Thanks everyone it was fun!

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:26 pm

When the best HC in the NFL, Belicheck, has total respect for McCarthy and almost no respect for every other HC in the NFL, it says a little bit about McCarthy. Belicheck won't shake hands w/ just about every other NFL HC, but he makes it a point to shake McCarthy's and actually goes out of his way to compliment him too.

Surely Belicheck knows a very good HC better than any fan in the NFL does.

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Duke Divine's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:02 am

Being respectful as McCarthy is and Bill respecting that has nothing to do with being absolutely unable to adjust a game plan to your personnel weaknesses....

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 29, 2015 at 04:38 pm

Belicheck said something 8the effect thay McCarthy is a very good coach and knows whay is best for his team. It isn't a personal respect nut very much a professional respect based on coaching against him.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:17 pm

He probably has incriminating evidence on Bill.

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December 30, 2015 at 01:41 pm

Hear, Hear, Cow. I have never thought MM was a good coach. He just had a few good play-makers. Now he has nothing and he's adapted well, hasn't he!

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Duke Divine's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:01 am

Oxymoron; "Its too negative" and in the same breath "its been fun." Just letting you know you can't resign from life and i wish you good luck as life is not all rainbows and kittens you pansy!

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WinUSA's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:32 pm

Well Spud... I disagreed with you other comment...but this is one of the most accurate, insightful and intelligent comments I have read on this site..it would
be a shame to lose your comments.....recondsider...and...have a great New Year...

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:45 pm

Spud is merely a petulant little child who has taken his toys and gone home to Mommy. I would love to meet him in the real world when he realizes he is losing an argument. Sheesh. I don't think he played a team sport in his life with that attitude.

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December 29, 2015 at 12:35 pm

Well Spud... I disagreed with you other comment...but this is one of the most accurate, insightful and intelligent comments that I have read on this site..it would it would be a shame to lose your comments..........reconsider...and...have a great New Year...

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PaulRosik's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:22 am

History. History tells me that teams that make drastic changes when they are already winning generally lose. Teams that fired a coach who was winning but couldn't "win the big one" end up like the KC Chiefs. Shottenehimer was winning every year but did not deliver in the playoffs so they fired him and then have gone on to 4 one and done playoff appearances in the last 20 years. The Eagles ditch Andy Reid for the same reason and are now playoff watchers for three years straight. The Cowboys could no coexist with Jimmy and Jerry and after one last hurrah with Switzer using Jimmys players they have been a cesspool for 20 years.

Chasing free agents and their past success on other teams and changing coaches often is the surest path to having a terrible team. And once your team stinks its much harder to gain success than you think. You are much more likely to be in the battle for the number one pick year after year like the Titans and Browns than you are to turning 1 - 15 into a playoff contender anytime soon.

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Since'61's picture

December 29, 2015 at 03:53 pm

Cow - I think it depends upon how you define success in this era of the NFL. You seem to define it as winning multiple Super Bowls or consecutive Super Bowl in a 3-5 year period or maybe over a decade.
However, this era of the NFL is stacked against that definition, due to free agency, salary caps, rule changes, injuries, travel schedules, Thursday night games, the latest CBA and players who want their SB rings and their payday from the highest bidder. Given the speed and violence of today's on field collisions it's just about impossible to keep your team healthy never mind together to win multiple SBs. The league does not want a dominant dynasty any longer and there really hasn't been a dominant team since the Cowboys of the early '90s. You want to use NE as an example but even their first 3 SBs were over 10 years ago and they certainly weren't dominant then. They were one play away from losing all of their SBs including 2014. That's 4 plays away from being a 6 time loser. Teams are no longer able to collect and keep great players like the '60s Packers, '70s Steelers or 80s 49ers. None of those would have stayed together in a free agency salary cap era. I appreciate your desire for a dominant team that wins multiple SBs and I would love to have that also, but realistically I don't expect it to happen in this era. Yes, I root for it for it, but I maintain my perspective and control my expectations. Otherwise, you are always bitter and disappointed in your team. Thankis, Since '61

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Oppy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 08:54 pm

I can see how you might be confused about Free agency as a Packers fan.

"Free agency" is that thing where other teams lose their best players to other teams. Other times, those other teams pay excessive amounts of money in a bidding war for a player whose team decided he wasn't worth that kind of money. Here in Green Bay, the Packers re-sign those players before they become Free Agents, typically speaking, or let other teams pay too much to them if they don't think they're worth it.

I understand your confusion.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:07 pm

You have been getting funny lately.

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 01, 2016 at 02:50 pm

"what happens if a team sees that it has a position group that is completely devoid of talent?"

One thing you don't do is get desperate and pay wayyy tooo much for another teams unwanted player! You just don't get it do you? Free Agency certainly isn't free and a player only becomes a FA if his previous team decides he isn't very good and doesn't want him anymore! So you pay excessive amounts for another teams "hand me downs". Not much of a bargain is it?

Why is that so hard for you to figure out?

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ray nichkee's picture

December 30, 2015 at 10:35 am

Well put oppy.

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PaulRosik's picture

December 30, 2015 at 02:43 pm

No one is a great team every season. As an organization you want your team to be in there at the end of the season with a chance. And that is where the Packers always are.

When the receivers went so lacking this season do i wish they would go out there and rent someone for a season ala Andre Rison in 96? I do. But I understand that is not how this team tends to work. They are draft and develop and their success will be based on how the young players progress.

Right now it does appear that last season was the high mark of the current wave and that was when they should have gotten to the Bowl. With an injured Rodgers they thoroughly dominated the NFCCG for 57 minutes. And it is proving difficult to replicate this season and some tweaks are needed.

But lots of teams are down from expectations this year. The Cowboys, Lions Ravens and Colts all had people picking them to win this year and all are not just losing but awful. I will take the packers level of down year over any of these teams any day.

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January 01, 2016 at 01:22 pm

The Saints cant win with Brees, the Lions are a joke with Stafford, the Steelers have Big Ben and missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years. Winning is not some simple formula you just plug in to. When you're already winning you make small adjustments and move on. Not gut it and start over and hope someday you'll be good again.

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:48 pm

Ya, you're right. All free agents are busts.~~~ Freeney did a pretty good job rushing the passer this year, didn't he.

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PaulRosik's picture

December 30, 2015 at 02:44 pm

Not all. Peppers did well last season as well. But overall many many more are bad and never worth the money spent.

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CallingIt's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:31 pm

Not News flash, the Packers really aren't that good this year. Sad, for sure. Perhaps we need a down year to get that hunger back.

You can't do anything about injuries, they just happen. Yesterday we hit one extremely talented and hungry football team. Got took out behind the wood shed and got schooled.

Hats off to the desert birds. Sympathy to the home boys. The next two weeks will probably be the toughest they will see in a very long time. These are the times character shows through, whether you have it or don't. We are about to see one way or the other.

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cpabandit's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:33 pm

So what is proposed is that the Packers have a better shot at beating the Skins at Washington than beating Minny or Seattle at Lambeau. In addition, if Minny beats Seattle, then the Packers then have to win in Minny. Interesting proposal, very interesting proposal.

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Duke Divine's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:02 pm

They don't have a shot at beating any playoff teams so save it. Unless Zimmer plays zone again instead of press man like last game like a freaking moron I don't see them winning again until 2016-17 season. McCarthy will trot out the same game plan the next two games and act surprised when his current personnel can't execute rather than shifting to a quick hitting west coast approach, we can all look forward to 5 step drops and empty shotgun back fields while #12 waits for routes to develop 30 yards down the field and holds the ball versus checking down. Then once down 30 and 7 sacks later fathead will finally roll the pocket or call a screen pass....

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:41 pm

Love it.

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BELIEVER's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:48 pm

fathead, that's the best

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:53 pm

This represents the most insightful observation I have seen in days. I thought I was just peeing into the wind for the last 8 weeks. Thank you, Duke!

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Bugeater's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:04 pm

I don't really care who they play in the first round. My main concern is having a fighting chance with, hopefully, a first string offensive line and a qb who hasn't spent most of the game on his back. That's why they should treat this like an exhibition game.

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packersbrewers's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:07 pm

No.

They aren't winning the Super Bowl so I want the NFC North. Simply because it makes the Vikings angry and crabby we win it every year. So I want it just for that. Even if we lose the following week. OH WELL. I'll cling to whatever I can.

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Duke Divine's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:19 pm

They suck!

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Bearmeat's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:31 pm

Neither the Packers nor the Vikings are getting past the divisional round this year, so I'd rather win the division for a 5th straight year and reload at WR, TE and ILB for next year.

Plus, beating the purple trolls twice in a row to end their season would be pretty sweet.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:33 pm

Me too, it makes no difference as to draft seeding anyway. This NFC north title game is probably the only title they will play for. I can not for the life of me see the Packers 10 man offense (11 - Adams) beat the Cardinals and the Panthers on the road. Heck, the Cardinals defense alone outscored the Packers 14-8.

Beat the Vikings!

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:55 pm

WE WON'T BEAT THE VIKINGS! Like MM, I wrote that in capital letters to emphasize my promise

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:43 pm

I'll take it. There's my silver lining.

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Nick Perry's picture

December 29, 2015 at 06:29 am

I'd put LT at or near the top of that list and they could use a Guard and OLB too. Sitton and Lang are both Free Agents in 2017, Matthews isn't getting younger and Peppers if brought back is what 36 or 37? THAT'S the biggest problem with the "Draft & Develop" philosophy, by the time you develop one draft class the previous 2 classes are moving on, injured, whatever the case. My point is you'll always be a few players away. I think the Packers have proved my point season after season after season. I mean God Damn, look at what signing Peppers did last year.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 29, 2015 at 08:29 am

"My point is you'll always be a few players away."

Thompson is proving that one and wasting the prime of Rodgers career int he process. I'm not saying break the bank on a bunch of guys, I'm saying plug a few holes here and there. The Patriots got a Super Bowl out of Revis.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 30, 2015 at 11:26 am

Let's hope they see that as clearly as you do. Need to supplement with some FAs.

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Tarynfor12's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:33 pm

So essentially the Packers walk into a euthanasia drug store and are given a choice of which poison and speed of its workings for their death they may wish to have the deed done.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:45 pm

Yup

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John Galt III's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:50 pm

Redskins? Racial Slur?

How about this. Local HS here calls themselves the "Indians'". Now that these folks are supposed to be called Native Americans is that a slur also?

Just checking the PC (political cowardice) meter.

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John Galt III's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:04 pm

So, the Blackfeet Indian Tribe should change their Indian Reservation high school nickname?

Cow, you go on the "res" here in Montana, walk up to the first 6'5'' 250lb Blackfoot Indian and tell him you don't like the name of his high school sport nickname.

When he beats you into a pulp I will laugh for a week.

My God, you are stupid.

http://www.opi.mt.gov/Pdf/IndianEd/IEFA/BlackfeetTimeline.pdf

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WinUSA's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:38 pm

OMG that's funny..... :9)

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Duke Divine's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:10 pm

Cow, don't troll a guy who actually spent energy picking a portion of this article that has nothing to do with football because he is sick of people respecting others or at least trying. Seriously, it bothered hims so much that the writer put this in the article that he spent time and energy on it. In Merca dicks should be able to be dicks without being call dicks and it really pisses us off when we can't!

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John Galt III's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:06 pm

So you believe the Blackfeet Indians like my wife are dicks? You have to be an Obama voter. He's a racist just like you. You are as dumb as Cow.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:36 pm

Please stop, Obama has nothing to do with this.

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Curry Rambeau's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:39 pm

My wife is from India and has black feet. No one should call themselves Indians except people from India. And all of my black footed family don't like that tribal name on bit. Then again, arguing about stuff on social media, blogs, etc. is hilarious! Keep it up.

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porupack's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:00 am

Indians is different than redskins according to the meter.

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:10 pm

"“But we should try to win another division title!” Nobody cares about division titles. Nobody." Sure. I do. Maybe I don't matter, but regardless, I care about those.

Plus, Washington is 6-2 at home. They are not that bad. I taped and watched the Seahawks against Rams, they don't scare me. And, should the Packers finish as 3rd seed in the NFC, then there is another chance for the home playoff in the NFCCG, should they get there. If they lose to the Vikings, I don't think there will be any chance for that to happen.

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Flow49's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:14 pm

I would prefer them to play the players who are able and do their best to win. Throwing a game is never the route to go. The Redskins will notice that and come motivated to play in their own house. Backing into the playoffs and losing to a Redskins team you wanted to play is far more embarrassing than trying your best and letting the chips fall where they may.

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December 28, 2015 at 08:50 pm

You hit the nail on the head. Besides the last time they sat a bunch of starters they played like shit against the Giants. The Vikings have to prove they belong. The Packers beat them easily at their house.

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Duke Divine's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:19 pm

Good call! Let them fall and go try and beat the queens!

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CallingIt's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:38 pm

When I go to work, I don't go to do as little as possible just to get by. For these guys, it's about one thing and one thing only, Lombardi trophys. In order to get one, you have to beat the best of the rest. If you want to prove your the best, you have to be the best each time you play.

If you can come in with a better team (meaning healthier), then rest your beaten up guys. This doesn't mean you concede a thing vs. MN though. You still play to win otherwise close down shop and let someone else field a team cause your not worth the price of admission.

Yea, yesterday sucked, but our guys need to deal with it and move on. There are a ton of things to fix and they aren't all getting fixed this year. So what, you go with what you got, give it your best shot and take what comes. There is no disgrace in not being the better team. It takes class to admit when you've been beaten straight up. No shame in it. It shows character. Folding up to get an 'easier' opponent down the road is gutless.

Sitting injured players can be a prudent move, as long as those who take their place take it upon their shoulders to kick MN's tail on Sunday. Anything less and I don't care what happens in the playoffs, the team will be a loser of massive proportions.

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:07 pm

I think your post deserves all the thumbs up in the world.

In years past, I watch packers fans fret, lament, and twiddle about how they don't want to see this team or that team in the playoffs, scheming on how to get the 'easiest' path through the playoffs to the superbowl.

I don't get it.

I want a super bowl trophy that shows the Packers took on the best, beat the best, and earned the championship. Bring 'em on. Either the Packers earn it, or they don't. If they aren't strong enough to take on all comers, they don't deserve the hardware... And that's okay.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:53 pm

The scheming betrays a lack of faith in the team. They had the toughest path in 2010, but they proved themselves the toughest.

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Oppy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:38 am

Exactly, and that's what made it so sweet.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 29, 2015 at 03:44 am

For me who we draw in the playoffs is irrelevant. Don't care if it is Wash, MN, or Seattle. I believe that we cannot contend without a healthier OL. IF the medical staff said that resting Bulaga, or Bakh, or Lang, or Sitton, (or all of them) for a week would significantly improve their ability to perform going forward in the playoffs, then I would sit those players against MN. If resting them doesn't help significantly, then play the guys who can go. No matter who plays, I would try to win the game. While a divisional title is not insignificant to me, it pales in comparison to playoff wins. I get the opposite argument, and it may be that the medical staff's opinion is that 1 week of rest won't help any of these guys, so the argument might be moot. Still, I favor what I view as a longer term strategy over the short term gratification of sweeping MN.

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porupack's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:05 am

Great post CI.
Totally agree.

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PaulRosik's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:34 am

I don't think anyone was suggesting tanking the game to avoid playing Seattle for example. But the idea that you sit down the injured O linemen another week to get ready for playoff game is a difficult call to make. And after watching Barclay on the left and Walker or Tretter on the right - playing those tackles is pretty much giving up the game already anyway.

So do you play a hobbled Bulaga and Bakhtiari this week to win the division and take the risk that you end up having to watch Josh Walker pretend to play NFL tackle in the playoffs?

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December 30, 2015 at 01:36 am

It is a difficult call, Paul. One that MM and TT are paid millions to make.

Not sure if I read it on Acme or here, but several posters clearly wrote that they preferred to play Wash over MN a second (well, really a 3rd) time or Seattle.

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Curry Rambeau's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:42 pm

I'm sure the Packer leadership are taking their advice from the cheeseheadtv commenters. McCarthy is giving the 1st string walking wounded a week off. But then again they've basically taken the last 9 games off, give or take a few miraculous moments.

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mikekk's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:44 pm

Adam, I lived in Washington ,D.C. for 10 years --so, I feel like I can intelligently speak about this issue. The tribe that brought the lawsuit was about 1300 strong, small tribe. The politically correct organization went from the largest tribe of over 300,000, to the tribes over 200,000, to tribes over 100,000, 50,000, 10,000 who had no prbblem with Redskin. The group went through over 100 tribes until they finally found a council in a small tribe of 1300 who agreed to support the lawsuit You can always find someone who has a problem with something..It doesn't mean that they are right. This is all by memory from an investigative report from a local Virginia newspaper.
You wanna be politically correct Adam, the packers could be a gay slur..So, what do you think about being PC.

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Curry Rambeau's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:02 pm

Blah blah blah. Your logic is astounding. It must have been the badly remembered stuff from some news reporter from a Vagina newspaper. I thought this was a Packer fan forum. Who care about the Washington ___skins.

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calabasa's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:22 am

This whole Redskins debate, for me, boils down to what I feel is respectful. If I'm man to man, face to face with 100 Native Americans, saying hello to each one individually, do I feel 100% at peace with saying "hello, redskin!" to each one?

My instincts as a respectful human being tell me that there's a decent chance that a few might feel insulted, shamed or disrespected because what I thought wasn't actually right.

What's more important- to stand against the "Politically Correct" hordes and cheer on a football team (which, as this is a Packer site, you probably don't have any passion for, and just support as a policy decision) or err on the side of common human respect and address a group with a term- Native Americans- that will be much less likely to make them feel less than you?

Huh, Whitey? You cracker-ass no rhythm-having white trash hillbilly? Oh sorry. That's what we've been calling you for 80 years, so it's cool. No offense. You shouldn't be so sensitive.

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Curry Rambeau's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:06 pm

Favre's gonna play on Sunday night so he can retire as a Viking. That Thanksgiving game really pissed him off!

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Packer_Pete's picture

December 28, 2015 at 06:28 pm

Finley, greatest TE of all times.. uh I have a hang nail, got to sit out a couple of weeks...

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RVAborn's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:09 pm

Unfortunately, I'm not sure it matter what team we see in the playoffs. If they play press-man, our offense will continue to display complete incompetence (assuming MM continues the same gameplan).

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 02:11 pm

And MM will trot out the same game plan. BECAUSE he is either too stubborn or too stupid to adapt either in-game or when he has a week to prepare.

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marpag1's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:11 pm

1) I seriously doubt that any team ever benefitted by adopting a mindset of "we're better off losing."

2) I most certainly do care about division championships. More than that, I would positively revel in the warm glow of beating the Vikings not once, not twice, but three times in the same season.

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 02:13 pm

Do you understand the meaning of "mind set". It is almost the antithesis of "whim", so I don't know what you are talking about.

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Title Town Hoosier's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:43 pm

Even Adam thinks this is silly. As they say on MNF C'MON MAN! Beat the Viqueens and try to get some momentum.

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Ruppert's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:56 pm

I'm really enjoying the comments on this one. I need to get back here and post more. Trumps is outstanding.

I'm not normally in the "fire them!" group. But times change. There is no reason our backup o linemen should be on an NFL roster. That's on TT and MM both. MLBs not wearing #52 all stink. Our TE position group is far below average. Honestly Hundley should be the backup QB given preseason play. And the WRs--Even McGinn said we are slow at that group. And I'm being nice. We have unaddressed deficiencies in multiple position groups.

There is no reason aside from stubbornness that we couldn't have signed some mid to low cost FAs to help out. Scott Chandler would have been a great, low cost TE.

Thompson turns 63 next month. He's going to retire in the next five years. Rodgers probably only has 4 or 5 high quality seasons left. Might be time to force TT into retirement to have a better shot at one last run for 12.

And I'm not even going to get into McCarthy right now.

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ray nichkee's picture

December 28, 2015 at 06:41 pm

Admit it cow, you are a disgraced loser in the game of life at all phases, even internet troll. Nobody here except for your trolletts you recruited to al cow da believe that aaron rodgers sucks more balls than you.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 06:55 pm

I saw that also.

I would like to know the break down of those incompletions. How many were on Rodgers clearly missing his target. How many were on Rodgers simply throwing it away. How many were on the WR just simply dropping it?

In the last 6 games Adams has dropped at least 1 pass. In the last game Adams dropped a TD, and Abbrederis dropped a catch. At least 2 drops, that I can think of off the top of my head.

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December 28, 2015 at 07:22 pm

Not the point I was making.

I want to see the break down of it. I could careless about where he ranks.

Adams has 3 dropped TDs in recent games. That changes the look of games if he catches those. I read somewhere in the first 6 games their WRs were a team with the least amount of dropped passes. Since then they were one of the highest. If they catch half of what they dropped how different does this offense look?

We know Rodgers has played poorly, but how much blame should be on him and how much should be on the WRs? A break down would help us see that.

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porupack's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:18 am

This has to be your most ridiculous post ever since I've followed this site. It doesn't even follow your only positive thing you've ever credited the packers; AR. Now you just insult the QB? I can't relate to this negativity and betrayal by fans. You're right....sudden collapse.... of loyalty, that is.

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December 29, 2015 at 12:18 am

This has to be your most ridiculous post ever since I've followed this site. It doesn't even follow your only positive thing you've ever credited the packers; AR. Now you just insult the QB? I can't relate to this negativity and betrayal by fans. You're right....sudden collapse.... of loyalty, that is.

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dschwalm's picture

December 30, 2015 at 02:16 pm

Cow, maybe they (TT & MM) saw this coming and subsequently drafted Hundley to groom him to replace Rodgers. How long can Rodgers dine out on his past seasons?

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2015 at 05:37 pm

No.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 28, 2015 at 07:30 pm

Did you not see what he did when he was with the Browns?

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Spud Rapids's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:55 pm

McCarthy has a better win percentage and the same amount of super bowl wins as Holmgren did in Green Bay... The only reason you think he is better is because you have no perspective except the present and you're like everyone else in today's society who wants instant gratification.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:34 pm

No body uses a true WCO anymore. Its outdated. McCarthy uses a modernized version that suits todays NFL. If Holmgren is smart he would adopt McCarthy's version if/when he becomes a HC again. But don't count on that happening, I doubt Holmgren comes out of retirement after his debacle in Clev.

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Oppy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:47 am

You know how you've talked about the lack of a true deep threat is the reason this offense can't move the ball this season?

Well, Mike Holmgren's version of the West Coast Offense (which was fairly true to Walsh's) would absolutely thrive without that deep threat.

We have two backs with decent hands, two TE's with decent hands, and quick-but-not-necessarily-fast WR corps, with a OL that's a balance of strength and athleticism...and a QB capable of quick diagnosis, quick release, and accurate passing (well, historically speaking, at least)... It's about perfect for a true WCO.

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Nick Perry's picture

December 29, 2015 at 05:17 am

Problem with that Oppy is McCarthy is too damn stubburn to change and he seems totally incapable to be able to adjust.

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Oppy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 05:00 pm

You can't simply scrap an entire offense and replace it with an entirely different one in the middle of the season, Nick, even if you wanted to.

For what it's worth, I'll say it again: I don't know that it is MM who is the stubborn one. The QB changes a lot of stuff at the LOS, and there seems to be a rift between what is being called and what is being played.

Who's the one who keeps on looking for the deep ball? We'll never know, but QBs like to throw more than run, and some QBs like to look deep. I have my suspicions.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 06:56 pm

Since that game, they have simply stopped playing him. They finally started using Rodgers the way he should be used against Detroit. Over the middle...
Since then, he hasn't played much.

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Since'61's picture

December 28, 2015 at 05:33 pm

I don't think that the Packers should deliberately lose to the Vikings. If guys need to sit out that's fine let them sit out, but I would not concede anything to a division opponent. As for the Packers, in addition to their legitimate issues, OL, WR, TE and RB, I think that this team especially the offense has been going through the motions this season. At least that's how they look sometimes. I think that there may be a Seattle hangover under the surface. The defense, especially the DL and DBs have played much better and with something to prove after the fatal collapse in Seattle. However the offense is playing like the regular season is meaningless. I point to A. Rodgers press conference where he said " we have players here know how to play in big games and I know they will be ready when the time comes". This tells me that the offense in particular is waiting for the playoffs. That would be fine if the OL wasn't all beat up, if we had good WRs and an actual threat at TE and if our QB wasn't recently beaten to a pulp by the Cardinals. I love Rodgers confidence in his team but the talent isn't there this season, especially at WR. Rodgers and this offense has always played best with a chip on their shoulder but this season the chip has been knocked away. I will never give up on the team because anything can happen and things change fast in this era of the NFL but for the first time since the pre-Favre era I don't have much confidence in our offense. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Ruppert's picture

December 28, 2015 at 06:27 pm

Re: Offense going through the motions.

That's a good way to put it. Our slow WRs cannot separate from man coverage. Our offensive genius coach refuses, for some unkown reason, to adjust the scheme to help them out (i.e. bunch formations, stack formations, more motion). Our OL backups are horrible. And Rodgers has never played well when taking a lot of hits.

And thinking of losing to the Vikings makes me nauseous. It's like '04 all over again. In a lot of ways.

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Since'61's picture

December 28, 2015 at 06:52 pm

Ruppert - yes, there some similarities with the 2004 team. The big difference is that there were much higher expectations for this offense this season. Speaking for myself, even with the loss of Jordy, I did not expect this offense to fall off as badly as it has. Adams has psyched himself out of being able to catch as demonstrated by his stupid spike after catching a pass in yesterday's game. R. Rodgers can't get open or block, Ty Montgomery was hurt most the year and J.Jones is reliable but slow. The OL has broken down due to injuries and this impacted the ground and passing games. We've had too many dropped passes and when we have an open receiver even Rodgers has been off. Lacy MIA for much of the season and now Starks has fumblitis. It may be too much to overcome especially if the OL doesn't get healthy. For sure we can't play another game with Barclay and Walker at OT. If that's the case let Tolzien and Crockett get creamed while Rodgers, Lacy and the OL get to heal for a week. Thanks, Since '61

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RVAborn's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:01 pm

I completely agree with you '61. The offense has regressed in every facet, and it is truly becoming hard to watch. Either the receivers can't get open, they drop the pass when they do break free or Rodgers' throw is inaccurate. The lack of any continuity has been there all season, and now teams have compressed the field into a 10-15 yard window, making running the ball nearly futile.

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porupack's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:35 am

Agree S-'61
There are so many ripple effects; lack of talent at TE is the top of my fundamental root causes. Wasn't glaring until Jordy went down. Now a mediocre WR2-WR5 is magnified, as all have similar speed/height. Dropped passes just compounded frustrations. With no TE and no WRs able to get separation, AR hesitates too long...get's sacked. A suspect Oline forces AR into no-win situation having to get rid of ball quickly. So we wonder why AR is suddenly so bad? And people blaming Olivia Munn? Trashing AR?
Root causes:
#1 Lack of talent at TE
#2 lack of speed at WR
#3 injuries on OLine, upon a decent, but not great talented Oline
#4 Tentative RB (Lacy) and not change-up speed at RB

So, GB is an easy scheme for opposing Dfense coordinators.

Solutions aren't difficult...but that is for offseason debate.

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WinUSA's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:45 pm

a pretty good synopsis of the season 61....

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Rossonero's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:49 pm

Very well said, Since '61. It's fine for speculation, but no way in hell are the Packers going to surrender at home for a division championship. I get the point about resting guys, but whoever is able to play, will play and whoever can't will have to watch. Let the doctors decide. Time for some players to grab their balls and lay it all on the line. Vikings are good, but they are not AZ.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:27 pm

We already beat your viqueens. Try making some sense. I understand its hard for you, but at least try.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2015 at 05:44 pm

It's not a given that they'd beat Washington, especially at home. The Washington D hits hard. They can handle 2015 Aaron Rodgers and the Pack's crap receiving corps.

Besides, if they're afraid to play one team or another, they lack confidence and aren't going to go far anyway.

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mrj007's picture

December 28, 2015 at 05:53 pm

You play to win. Period. Packers just do not have the talent to do much more than they have. I was surprised they are so slow and inept on offense. Every week I convinced myself they can't be this bad, but they are, and it sucks. They remind me of those terrible 70s and 80s teams. Just all around lack of talent. You can develop slow marginal players into super stars. And there is nothing to "fix" anymore. Packers have been good enough to win a shitty division for the last few years, but that's about it.

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Chris Pattee's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:24 pm

The Packers suck now, it really doesn't matter. They have huge......HUGE ISSUES. When you have a prideful coach and a prideful QB that aren't on the same page anymore??=disaster!

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calabasa's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:27 am

Agreed about MM and AR. Seems to be some issue lurking there.

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porupack's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:49 am

They're not such huge issues;
Draft speed at TE even if they have to trade up, and bring in a Vet FA TE
Draft a tall, or fast WR in Rd2-3
Draft speedy/changeup speed RB in late rnd.

The rest should resolve.

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Oppy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:57 am

The "Al Davis" draft strategy.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:41 pm

As far as regime change goes, and I have had time myself to cool down, I realize that will not happen.
I do think MM has lost the teams attention and needs a wake up reminder tho. But one thing that must change next year is this overly complex coaching bureaucracy. Way too many offensive coordinators/ Asst coaches. Also Edgar needs to go back to being WR or RB coach.

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Mark Ingram's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:35 pm

You play to win the game.

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Dan Stodola's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:00 pm

You ALWAYS play to win. Anyone suggesting its better to lose now has never played organized sports! Its NEVER better to lose.

Anyone suggesting losing is better needs to get their head examined.

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Wenis's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:27 pm

LoL........... Packers lose and blog author decides to play the race card. I guess I should gather a group of brown skinned Americans including my wife and file a lawsuit against the Cleveland Browns. SMDH and the natural stupidity and political correctness that has infected this blog.

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porupack's picture

December 29, 2015 at 12:57 am

You can pass off as PC, but there's also the idea of civility and respect, and a quasi-public institution such as major sport team has a bit more burden of responsibility, and can show respect to all minorities by making an easy-to-make change. Its small, but significant statement if Snyder would do it voluntarily.
Funny on the Cleveland Browns thing, and I like the humor.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 29, 2015 at 06:35 am

I did not read what everybody wrote, but I have to agree with, sadly, minority. If player is injured, player must not play, If we lose division title because of that fine. But if we lose because of the idea we want to play against Washington I will stop cheering for this team. I consider as shamefull behaviour what you suggests. To lose the game on purpose. My God. What kind of persons you are? There is no trace of dignity in that. What doi you think that "asteriks" will be ever removed from some SB victories of Patriots. They will be forever in the Hall of shame for that. Is that the picture of USA and people in that country that thinks to cheat (you call it strategy!) is OK! Like you ruined homes of people in Iraq based on lie from your President. Do you consider that acceptable behaviour? I thought that sportsmanship and honesty is the hard core of the NFL. Now, I see that lot of you thinks that you have rights to cheat. And that is outrage...

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TommyG's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:20 am

Better... The best thing for the future of this team would be if a loss took us out of playoff contention. That would give us a better draft pick this coming year. But since that isn't possible, and because we want to see our team succeed, the best bet is to play the Vikings as often as possible. We match up well against the Vikings. I believe we will beat them this Sunday, and will do so again the following week. People who want to play the Redskins are thinking that this is the Redskins team of last year. We do not want to play this skins team. They do on offense what we wish we could. They have receivers that can outrun safeties. Their running game isn't bad either. FedEx field is also a dump. Playing there, against an unfamiliar foe, is not a recipe for success.

Better? Despite all I've said, I'm a little biased towards wanting a Redskins game. I live in Redskins country (only an hour from the stadium), and I would love to be able to go to the game.

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4thand10's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:53 am

You play to win. High draft picks don't guarantee being better....one only has to look to Detroit for that example.

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4thand1's picture

December 29, 2015 at 08:11 pm

The lolions are probably going to lose Calvin next year.

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Patrick Helms's picture

December 29, 2015 at 03:59 pm

Changing the name of the Redskins because people who aren't even Native Americans find it offensive makes about as much sense as changing the Bills name because Buffalo Bill never said they could use it and might find it offensive...lol

I find it offensive that people find this offensive...lol

funny how much of this countries weapons seem to be named after Indian tribes.

Back to the topic....play to win regardless if our QB is more interested in his social life. And regime change didn't hurt the Lions...lol

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4thand1's picture

December 29, 2015 at 04:01 pm

This team drives me nuts. Peppers shows up for a game or 2, CMII was really good early, AR is not AR, Looks like RR is gonna break out and disappears, Adams plain sucks, JJ is hot and cold, Cobb is just above average, Lacy is a beast or kitten, Starks fumbles, no play calling seems to work and no o-line depth. I can live with rookie mistakes but they've been the bright spot.
GOPACKGO, WHICH PACK GOPACKGO?
Somesones gotta step, alot of someones.

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

December 29, 2015 at 05:42 pm

I don't believe for a second, that GB will be playing to lose Sunday. MM will go all out for the Division title. This team is hurt, & other teams have taken advantage of that. GB is currently a 3 Pt Favorite. That as a rule has not been a good line for GB. Over the years, I've been wrong on the GB game more than I've been right. If our LT Bak plays, I don't see any reason GB loses this game. They have had Minnesota's number. If we do lose, "So What". It's a Home Game, but we are just as capable of winning on the road. WE need to get healthy, if it's possible. That's more important than anything right now. No one can win in this league playing their 2ond string. LVT

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 29, 2015 at 07:31 pm

WOW

GO AND WATCH THE X'S & O'S!!!

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 29, 2015 at 07:34 pm

That 50/50 blame between Rodgers and the Receivers just went to 60/40 with the majority going to Rodgers.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 29, 2015 at 07:57 pm

And y'all say there's a problem with the play calls...tuh!

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Tundraboy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 10:00 pm

LoL

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

December 29, 2015 at 07:50 pm

Trump, After Sunday, it's hard to pick GB against anyone. I think it's in GB's best interest to win this game & play Seattle at home. I've talked about trends in football. A team coming home after 2 weeks on the road is always a Good Bet. It's called Home Cooking. GB is hurt. That is the Wild Card here. That game on Sunday was not as bad as it looked. Going against once again the way I would normally bet this game, I think GB pulls it out. Without Bak & Bulaga it may not be possible. I don't like the fact that the time of the game was changed either. If we stop Peterson again, I think we win.LVT

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4thand1's picture

December 29, 2015 at 08:24 pm

This team was an on sides kick away from going to the SB last year. Either we're in for a hell of a shock the next 2 weeks or they fold the tents and clean out the lockers. This total disfunction on offense has the has the whole football world baffled. Coming into the season MM said this was best o-line he's ever had. You have to know injuries are going to happen and there's no depth. I've been watching football for almost 50 years and I didn't see this coming. I said i'd be happy just making the playoffs, but I'm not at all confident. Hope they prove me wrong, it'll be more crow for supper this season.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 29, 2015 at 09:50 pm

" I've been watching football for almost 50 years and I didn't see this coming."

No one could have seen this coming and I have to keep reminding myself this. I'm upset at the team during the game and probably a day afterwards, but I bounce back.

No team has good backups at every position. We're hurt (O-Line and WR) and to top it off -- our backup's backups are not good at all (O-Line). People would be lying if they thought the O-Line and WR corps would be the weak links after last season.

I still have confidence. I don't think we'll see the high scoring Packers of previous season for the remainder, but I'm expecting to see "The Belt"...

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PETER MAIZ's picture

December 30, 2015 at 01:50 am

Said with a grain of salt? It matters not We would lose to the Redskins too.

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