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Amidst Embarrassing Defeat, Mike McCarthy Reaffirms Belief in Brett Hundley

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Amidst Embarrassing Defeat, Mike McCarthy Reaffirms Belief in Brett Hundley

There's not much to write home about the Green Bay Packers' disastrous performance against the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, but even if you tried, it'd probably still be more entertaining than the on-field product.

The Packers were shut out for the first time since being thumped by the New England Patriots in 2006, 35-0. Albeit, another rare AFC foe got the best of the Packers in present day, it came on the 11-year anniversary of that game. 

"It doesn't feel good, obviously," said coach Mike McCarthy on finishing the game with not a point to show for their efforts -- or lack thereof. "I felt we still had a chance to win at the end of the game there, it was 13-0. 6-0 at halftime."

It was the third loss in the starting career of quarterback Brett Hundley, who took the reigns over a month ago after Aaron Rodgers broke his collarbone. He put together what may have been his worst performance yet, tallying three interceptions and being sacked six times.

The right tackle position was manned down by Justin McCray, the versatile lineman, for a majority of the game before leaving the game and handing off his duties to Jason Spriggs. Spriggs, just activated to roster less than 23 hours ago, was placed on injured reserve earlier in the season with a hamstring injury.

Regardless of if it were Spriggs or original starter Bryan Bulaga, Hundley was incapable of stepping up in the pocket. He either bounced around or rolled out to his right, leading to him often throwing the ball out of bounds. He was uncomfortable and lacked awareness, something that leads many to believe the Packers are right back to square-one with Hundley, no matter how much McCarthy convinces reporters otherwise.

"I don't think so at all," McCarthy said on whether or not the Packers took a step backward with their third-year signal caller. "You have to remember seven days ago in Chicago and everyone was feeling good. ... Anytime anything happens with the quarterback position, I take that personally, and I have to do a better job."

The Green Bay Packers are 1-3 with quarterback Brett Hundley as their starter after being shut out for the second time in the Mike McCarthy era and for the first time in exactly 11 years. (Benny Sieu/USA TODAY Sports)

Hundley did, however, continue to show his newfound chemistry with wide receiver Davante Adams, who once again put together a promising performance with Hundley looking his way often.

Adams had five catches for 90 yards and a touchdown last week in the win over the Chicago Bears, including a late one-handed grab down the sideline in the fourth quarter. Against the Ravens, he caught eight of his 10 targets for 126 yards. He averaged over 15 yards per catch for the second-straight week.

According to Pro Football Focus, three of those catches came against the Ravens' top cornerback, Jimmy Smith, who Adams tallied 47 yards against.

There were positives, but by the end of the day when the fans were filing out of Lambeau Field, the yards were ultimately meaningless.

"It sucks, I'll tell you that now," Hundley said. "We've been practicing good on all cylinders, but today, we just didn't translate it to the field and I didn't do that. Confidence-wise, I'll keep going; my head is always held high. But, it sucks. It hurts.

"There's opportunities. It's sorta hard to say there is or there isn't, because in the game when you see flashes of colors, it's all instincts and reactionary. When you see something, you've just got to make a move and make the most of it. ... As we go forward, I'll be better with experience learning from this, this is going to be a big-time learning game for me and I just have to take everything from it."

The Packers' 4-for-13 efficiency on third downs was similar to that of the Ravens, who were 3-for-14. Aside from the -4 turnover differential, a key statistic in the midst of all of that is that the Packers were 1-for-4 on fourth down. The Ravens, however, converted the only fourth down they attempted in the first quarter.

"All of those short-yardage things, those are hard because they're drive-extenders. Those give you more plays and more opportunities, and unfortunately, it was just a lot of stuff out there that we missed on offense."

Hundley will be the starting quarterback entering Pittsburgh next week for the Packers' date with the Steelers on Sunday Night Football. McCarthy was sure to reiterate that in his post-game presser when asked about backup quarterback Joe Callahan possibly being considered.

As far as that goes, McCarthy also said he didn't have a thought of making a potential Hundley-for-Callahan swap late in the game against the Ravens.

"Brett Hundley's our starter," McCarthy said. "I believe in Brett Hundley."

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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Samson's picture

MM needs to pack his bags and buy a ticket. --- He's pretty much gone.

The TKstinator's picture

I get it but what the heck else is he going to say?

rdent's picture

"What the heck else is he going to say?" How about I am a below average coach that has had an all time great QB carrying me on his shoulders. Lol.

The TKstinator's picture

Coulda thrown in some ‘pad level’ comments...or the good old “got some things to clean up”.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Fundamentals. Honestly, mine are not good enough."

tm_inter's picture

Brett Hundley sucks! So does MM!

dobber's picture

People here seem to forget that there's nothing you can really hang your hat on during a TT or MM presser.

Besides: when was the last time you heard a coach walk into a post game press conference and say that they would be changing from the current starter to the backup the upcoming week? "Hello, Steelers! Just so you know: we're going to offer up this UDFA from D-III cornhole college for you to tee off on next week. Here's 7 days to dig up all the film you can find so you can make us look even extra stupid."

Coldworld's picture

At this point, he only looks stupid even if that is the case. I have generally been an MM fan as an offensive mind, but it is time to man up and face reality on this one. QBs have been cut for less even without so much time bench riding beforehand. Perhaps TT has seen enough to step in? I would give him credit if he did put and end to this love-is-blind loyalty.

GBPDAN1's picture

Hundley needs to be shown the 'Pitt of Misery' along with TT ,MM and DC....Dilly Dilly !

Point Packer's picture

Dilly Dilly!

al bundy's picture

Ok i'm laughing so hard im crying. Dilly dilly

mrj007's picture

I am sure it was another great week of practice too...

Curry Rambeau's picture

Mush Mouth Mike and his gum chewin’ gunslinger need to call in sick next Sunday night.

Free agent's picture

Wow! The game really is to fast for him if he only sees flashes of color.

jyros's picture

Perhaps, Huh-ndley was simply confused by his teammates in the
throw-back uniforms? Rookie mistake!

snowdog's picture

Glad they didn't use green as the Color rush uni's . Yikes !

bill56wth's picture

I am not watching anymore games until the last game of the season, only to see if hundley has improved any. Quite a drop from 2 hall of famers to a zero.

cpabandit's picture

Zero? Zero? You consider Hundley a zero? That's McCarthy's starting QB you're talking about. What the hell did he do to deserve that high a number?

bill56wth's picture

If I was a season ticket holder I would be investing in a grocery sack.

snowdog's picture

If I where a season ticket holder , I'd sell them to the opponet so they could do a "in-your-face" lambeau Leap " . Oh wait , they're already doing that .

Two times terrible . ( heavy sigh )

Point Packer's picture

I haven't seen the QB position in GB played that poorly for an entire game since the early 90s. Brett Hundley is not a starting NFL QB. May not even be a backup quality QB in the NFL.

rdent's picture

The only reason Hundley is starting is because AR is injured and MM is a below average coach starting a below average QB.

mrj007's picture

Madjkowski wasn't that bad. You have to go back to Whitehurst or Rich Campbell in the 80s to find a Hundley contemporary

Somedumbname's picture

Classic Randy Wright.

packerbackerjim's picture

“Flashes or colors, it’s all instincts and reactions”. Hundley is slow to recognize and even slower to react despite finding himself in multiple similar situations. His learning curve is too steep to tolerate. MM has dug in and there is no Plan B. Another recurring situation for which TT and Murphy must take full responsibility.

GBPDAN1's picture

Stubborn and delusional.... not a good combo

The TKstinator's picture

But that WOULD make a killer name for a WWE tag team.

Somedumbname's picture

That describes my wife and I :)

pacman's picture

How much of this should fans have to endure?

A couple good passes last week and many thought BH might be ok. There's a big difference between hoping and what MM says. Ok, so MM has to back his QB. Imagine how bad Callahan is that MM isn't even considering him.

What player on this team is going to risk an injury playing hard for BH/MM?

I have now doubt that an aged Brett Favre would not do MUCH better than this.

There's very little left to say. Time to put Murphy/TT/MM/DC pictures on the dart board.

rdent's picture

MM went all in with Hundley from the start, he has to stand by that or run the risk of looking as stupid as he really is. But remember, MM is a successful NFL coach, he reminded us of that last year.

dobber's picture

No, the Packers went all in on ARod. Not Hundley.

rdent's picture

Dobber, true! Without a viable backup or a backup plan.

dobber's picture

But what would we be saying if they were paying a backup to their HOF QB $5M/yr?

I think next year, they start...

snowdog's picture

" What player on this team is going to risk an injury playing hard for BH/MM? "
The coaches have lost the locker room.

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

Can’t wait til black Monday. TT MM DC all boarding the train!!

Houndog's picture

Boarding the train? Hell, let 'em walk!

stockholder's picture

Ok - Regroup! Stats 21 of 36 = 239 yards. 3 ints is part of the learning curve. Devante Adams , I question these, but it is time to re-sign him. Adams still drops passes. He'll always drop them. He's streaky. He's not worth the money, but the Packers have no choice. The Packers need 3 new WRs. And it will be 4 if he leaves. Davis doesn't get it. (Bust.) Janis will be gone, Allison is to slow. Monty is a RB. Rodgers is the starting TE. They have no choice but to sign him early too. The OL will take more draft picks. Capers no longer has the answers. The rookies are playing better than then most veterans. But this is A-Rods team. What he says goes. So lets just kiss - Butt and praise them. All of them.

carusotrap's picture

McCarthy said. "I believe in Brett Hundley."

BINGO! I've got bingo! What do I win?

croatpackfan's picture

Downvotes?

Lphill's picture

Hundley had 3 years to learn from the best , he plays as if he is stupid , he looks lost on some plays , it's over for him bring on Callahan how much worse can he be? I don't think the Packers win another game with Hundley maybe the Browns get a win as well .

Tarynfor12's picture

Words Hundley should be saying....arranged to fit the mood.

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.
Didn't mean to make you cry,
My chance had just begun,
But now I've gone and thrown it all away,
Too late, my time has come,
Sends shivers down my spine,
Body's aching all the time.
Goodbye, everybody, I've got to go,
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth.
Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see,
I'm not your QB,
Because I'm easy come, easy go,
Please, Please, don't start me,
Just,just let me go.

GBPDAN1's picture

Good one, Tarynfor12.... Dilly Dilly !

Point Packer's picture

Dilly Dilly!

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Too freaking funny

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

TT, MM, DC do not deserve the opportunity to “regroup” they have had their chances!!! Do we really want the to control the remainder of AR’s career? ITs time for the BOD to make the change!!!!

splitpea1's picture

With the changes coming in the off=season, I am hoping for an experienced backup QB and some creative offensive coordination. We could have easily won this game with these two things. What a shame to waste a solid defensive effort.

Nick Perry's picture

I can only speak for myself but I have a feeling MANY Packers fans feel this way.

I no longer CARE what you believe in Mike McCarthy because I no loner believe in you, not even a little. I have even less belief in Ted Thompson to be able to reshape this roster quickly enough to take advantage of Rodgers remaining years.

I can only HOPE Murphy is smart enough and can pull himself away from building up "Title Town" long enough to do what NEEDS to be done.

BTW... If Dorsey is your man then hire him NOW. Don't let another team move in before you and scoop him up. If not I can only assume it's someone in-house like Wolf. If that's the case then make sure he's aware he'll be the Packers GM in 2018. Just make sure the Packers have a new GM in place effective January 2nd, 2018. I mean just look at how fast the last 7 years have flown by and the Packers have failed to take advantage of Rodgers. Lets not let the last 4 or 5 years go by without adding a few Lombardis to the case.

gary g's picture

Its unfortunate, but i think for Murphy to clean house the Pack would almost have to lose out. Otherwise we will be stuck with the same bullshit of MM, TT ,and DC.

dobber's picture

The thing is, this team would very possibly be 9-1 and a SB favorite right now with a healthy #12. That's not hyperbole.

That's just one player difference...

gary g's picture

You may be right. But how good would it be to have built a team around AR so with him at QB would would have won more then one SB. Check out what the Pats have won with Brady.

dobber's picture

...and it's so easy that EVERY team with a franchise QB has replicated it.

We need to quit invoking the hoodie. It's a set of circumstances that we may never see again in this lifetime.

gary g's picture

Dobber AR is not just a franchise QB, hes a HOF QB HANDS DOWN. If you think two SB wins with two back to back HOF QBs is enough you don't expect much.

dobber's picture

I don't think anyone who is navigating this quagmire has low expectations.

rdent's picture

I lowered my expectations the minute it was announced AR had a broken collarbone.

Tundraboy's picture

NP, I had that epiphany since the NO game. Team management needs a reset. I wrongly gave TT and MM the benefit of the doubt after 2014 and up until the Cardinals loss, but lost all faith in them after that. Time to use remainder of season evaluating players, then change the GM and coaching staff in anticipation of draft. Rest up Arod.

rdent's picture

I miss Bob Harland! He was twice the President Mark Murphy is and ever will be.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

The packers don't care... just as long as they make their millions of dollars

marpag1's picture

It always amazes me how many Packer fans seemingly do not know or understand that the Packers are a nonprofit organization.

rdent's picture

Non profit organization? Surely you jest! What do you think the Title Town District is about? Profit. And building the TTD was merely a copycat of what Robert Kraft did years earlier.

dobber's picture

Yes, non-profit. No dividends payed out. No "profit-sharing". I think Murphy is the only member of the Board who even collects a salary. Everything goes back into the organization and its philanthropic endeavors. They are somewhat handcuffed by a crappy media market and, even though the lucrative TV contracts make sure EVERY team makes a profit, in order to be competitive in salary structure, bonuses and the like, it's all about keeping up with the Joneses.

billybobton's picture

It amazes me that so many citizens don't know what a nonprofit organization is and how they assume it means several things about accountability SALARIES high above the private market and insider manipulations.

4zone's picture

Save your breath folks, or in this case, your fingers. Nobody in the Packer's organization cares a hoot what any of us think. Sit back, relax, and watch Sunday afternoon infomercials.

packanimal's picture

I completely agree that nobody among the team decision makers cares at all about our grousing. However, is there any possibility that this episode of utter QB ineptitude raises Rodgers's stock enough for him -- someone the management does care about -- to tell Thompson to either clean house or not expect him to re-sign when his contract is over. Or he could tell Murphy to start with replacing Thompson. Rodgers may well not want to end his career with this sad outfit. Other superstars, like LeBron James, don't hesitate to tell management how to do their jobs. Other superstars don't stick around clown shows when their playing days are numbered. It would seem that the current mess only increases Rodgers's leverage to force some improvements.

HankScorpio's picture

Football and basketball are completely different dynamics. Basketball can be a one man show. Football is a team game. So forget LeBron. Let's talk Brett Favre.

When Favre started thinking and acting like his say in offseason matters was important, it was the beginning of a very long, very ugly ending that didn't help either side. At first, Mike Sherman put up with it. He made big "splash" moves like trading up in the draft for Jamal Reynolds and signing Joe Johnson. None of it worked. After the regime change happened, they stopped putting up with it once Rodgers was ready. Of course we all remembered that.

I pray Rodgers does not follow that same path. If he shows signs he is, I think it will be the beginning of a disappointing chapter in franchise history. I know people are grasping at straws looking for an ally to force the change they think is necessary. I hope Rodgers is not that ally. I don't think it would work out well.

packanimal's picture

Yes, of course, basketball and football are different. But actually the relevant point here is that LeBron realized that basketball can't be a "one man show," as HankScorpio incorrectly claims. LeBron realized that needed and wanted help and could exert pressure to get it, just like Rodgers should.

The Favre situation is far more complicated than just his meddling in management. Remember the numerous interceptions in playoff games and other failings. Another complicating factor is that Packers management was less vulnerable to Favre's ideas because they had a terrific backup in Aaron Rodgers. That, along with Favre's other problems, undercut Brett's leverage.

I hope it's not necessary for Rodgers to go down what is clearly a dangerous path. Perhaps HankScorpio's characterization of this alternative as "grasping at straws" is apt. Nonetheless, after enough years of mediocrity, having Rodgers press for big changes would be preferable to his simply leaving. How else are things going to change? Empty seats matter little if the tickets are already paid for. The waiting list for season tickets is enormous.

HankScorpio's picture

"Nonetheless, after enough years of mediocrity, having Rodgers press for big changes would be preferable to his simply leaving"

What mediocrity? The Packers under Rodgers have missed the playoffs once (soon to be twice). They have played in 3 NFC CG and won a SB. That may be below the expectations for championships but it is hardly "mediocrity".

And Rodgers is not "simply leaving" for at least 4 years and maybe 5. He is under contract for 2 more years and and the Packers hold what amounts to a team option via franchise tag for another 2-3 years before it moves to financially untenable to use the tag. By then the issues of today are long gone. The two principle "culprits" in Packerland, TT and DC, will both likely be retired at the very least, even if they are not put out to pasture sooner than they wish. What is so hard to understand about that?

So I'm going with door #3....Rodgers plays football for the Packers, who continue to work toward championships that are within reach but have eluded them too much.

packanimal's picture

There's almost nothing I hate worse than people who use solid factual evidence to refute my arguments. The recent record is, I have to concede, better than mediocre. Rodgers is indeed trapped, unless he decides to retire or stage some kind of holdout (both pretty improbable).

Door #3 isn't terrible: Rodgers is great fun to watch, an amazing magician, who can win games by 52-49 or 38-35 or whatever it takes with the D we have and probably will have for the remainder of his career.

Of course, I hope you're right about TT and DC. But what is so hard to understand is why, if they haven't both left by now, they're going to depart shortly. They can always cite injuries as an excuse and claim there's light at the end of the tunnel.

HankScorpio's picture

"But what is so hard to understand is why, if they haven't both left by now, they're going to depart shortly. They can always cite injuries as an excuse and claim there's light at the end of the tunnel."

I guess some if it hinges on what "shortly" means. For my purposes, I'll define it as before Rodgers contract expires after 2019.

The biggest point is that TT will be 65 in January and DC is 67 (August birthday). I know you are as young as you feel and plenty in the NFL have worked past that age. But that's getting right on up there for both.

TT's contract has one more year. There has been rampant speculation he'll retire for a year or two at least. It seems plausible that he'll fulfill that contract and then ride off into the sunset. Wolf retired at 63.

As for DC, I do think (hope?) that MM will force the issue if DC wants to continue on to age 68. This is more about MM finally coming to his senses, which he's shown no indicator he has. But it is getting to the point where MM needs to face an ultimatum: Lose DC or you're both gone. I say that as someone that generally likes MM.

billybobton's picture

if you go look at the contract linked you will see Rodgers can opt out of the contract at the end of this year

he has a serious injury you assume an a lot of things are laws of nature when in fact your assumptions are just wrong

I will agree that without RODGERS the team is not "MEDICORITY"

although what you see on the field seems to be delusional compared to the rest of us

dobber's picture

No, that's a team opt-out, not a player opt-out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there are player-option contracts under the current CBA. With the current hard cap, that would be a mess for teams to manage.

HankScorpio's picture

"If you go look at the contract linked you will see Rodgers can opt out of the contract at the end of this year"

I don't see a link. Would you be able to provide one?

What you're saying is unprecedented in the NFL. I heard Jason Wilde directly contradict what you're saying in the course of his radio show. So I'm going to need more than your words.

dobber's picture

I think he's referring to this link from sporttrac that I posted earlier.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/

HankScorpio's picture

I've seen that before, of course. It says "potential out". It does not say anything about it being a player option. As you stated above, that means "team out". It refers to the point where the team is no longer charging a portion of the signing bonus against the current cap and releasing him will no longer incur a "dead money" cap charge.

I don't know NBA and MLB contracts that well. But NFL contracts are very one-sided in favor of the team. The player is bound by the terms. If he out-performs that salary or wants to leave, that's just tough beans---unless the team gives the ok. OTOH, teams can cut a player for poor performance, injury or pretty much any reason they want.

badaxed's picture

Evidently "Bennet" found out about the "Clown show" and decided to leave also.

gary g's picture

That is exactly the problem and why nothing will change.

rdent's picture

4zone, fans leaving en mass midway through the 4th quarter should give reason for Mark Murphy to sit up and take notice but perhaps it will take empty seats the rest of the season before changes will be made.

HankScorpio's picture

Tickets are sold out for the rest of the year. There will not be any sagging ticket sales.

Maybe TV ratings will fall off. Maybe there will be sluggish Pro Shop sales during the Holiday season. Maybe people will disguise themselves as empty seats. Maybe gameday stadium concessions will take a hit.

But Murphy knows that they were 4-1 with Rodgers and Rodgers will be back next year. So things are likely to return to "normal". So it is very debatable whether any of that would prompt a change

rdent's picture

Hankscorpio, edit; empty seats. I had a chance to get tickets to the NO game and this game but I am glad I didn't spend the money. People are trying to sell their tickets and after this game even if you have already paid for tickets who would want to go and spend another dime to go to Lambeau Field and watch this mess.

EdsLaces's picture

I can live with the occasional poor throw. He's going to make mistakes. I get that. But never in my life have I seen an NFL quarterback hang onto the ball so long and take so many unnecessary sacks. I understand if the d is In your face right away, but this today was insane. The 4th down play...my GOD. THROW IT!!!! THROW IT HIGH AND THROW IT FAR! If you throw a int who cares!!! Stop taking sacks!!!!

dobber's picture

I've never seen a guy throw so many passes off his back foot and falling backward since #4 left GB.

Tarynfor12's picture

Yeah, but one of these Brett's is not like the other.

dobber's picture

That, my dear, is the understatement of the day...

EdsLaces's picture

The Foo would be proud ..

Coldworld's picture

Precisely. He was a deer in the headlights all day. He is the anti-Rogers under pressure. The key to making it if you are merely a good college QB is exactly what he doesn't have and can't be coached.

badaxed's picture

my sentiments exactly!

al bundy's picture

I read last week the knock on hundley in col, hung onto the ball to long, led the league in sacks. Threw a lot of picks. Nothing has changed in three years since. He cant anticipate receivers being open. His forte is to buy time until someone is open. How is that workng so far.
No point rogers even thinking of coming back if they lose to the steelers, season over at that point.
I hope for the fans sake he doesnt come back trying to play savior role and get hurt bad. Dumb idea.

Tundraboy's picture

Season was over after NO. You don't lose home games like we have this year and think your going to make the playoffs, let alone get far in the postseason.

dobber's picture

I would've said Detroit, but it doesn't change the fact that you're spot on.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

I have been saying that over and over he hold on to the ball like a second too long and he always rolls to the right you just can't seem to get his check towns on his receivers like they said he's athletic has a pretty good arm but his pocket awareness and presence he doesn't have it

HankScorpio's picture

Hundley drags the Packers down as much as Rodgers carries them on his back.

lou's picture

Simply put HankScorpio but dead on. That's why the QB's make outrageous salaries even if they are middle of the road starters, Flacco is a good example, the Raven's are paying Brady dollars for Trent Dilfer the second, but even that being the case he generally will not lose a game for them. Even on the lower rung, #2 and #3 on the Vikings almost always at least keep them in the game. Unfortunately only Flynn in the Rodgers Era could do either for the Packers, that has to change in 2018 and both QB's on the roster now need not be considered.

HankScorpio's picture

Heck, even marginal backups command outrageous salaries. Throwing $20+ mil at a starter and another $4-5 mil at a guy that is going to be his backup is not uncommon.

I really thought the Packers had learned their lesson about deluding themselves into believing in the magic of MM's developmental skills. He couldn't turn Graham Harrell into a NFL QB and obviously didn't with Hundley, either. Given the offensive game plans we've seen with Hundley, MM was well aware of that. MM handcuffed Hundley from the start and when he finally cut Hundley loose today, it was easy to see why.

Either MM wasn't telling TT they needed better or TT wasn't listening. Either way, not having someone of sufficient quality to back up Rodgers has bit them hard twice now.

Denver's picture

I really understand all of the venting going on, but I just don't see a scenario where MM is not the coach next year. Hopefully Capers calls it a career and maybe TT will as well.
Some of the older folks here might remember Jeff Van Gundy holding on to Alonzo Mourning's leg during an NBA fight...that's how I picture MM leaving #12 and GB.

HankScorpio's picture

I don't see MM being gone under any circumstance.

If TT goes, it will be by his choice and probably after the draft. I don't think he will get fired.

I hope DC is a different story. I think he is at least 2 years beyond deserving to be gone. Since he's already living on borrowed time in my book, I can't say I feel great about MM firing him.

Bure9620's picture

The "Mike McCarthy QB school" seems to be about as effective as Trump University. Hundley is lost. He throws with zero anticipation, he has zero pocket presence, holds the ball forever and never steps up into the pocket.
I am going to the Carolina game primarily because I am unable to refund my plane ticket. My primary focus is figuring a way to get a flask into Bank of America Stadium. I tried watching todays game sober and that was about as fun as drinking sand.

Tundraboy's picture

"The "Mike McCarthy QB school" seems to be about as effective as Trump University"

Same thought occurred to me this morning, BEFORE the game.

Point Packer's picture

Dilly Dilly!!!

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Hilarious. You guys have great jokes....i love it

TommyG's picture

Leave the flask and stock up on plastic airline bottles. Either that or wear a camelback under your jacket; a camelback you have filled with whiskey and coke.

GVPacker's picture

Make the best of it, get yourself a Pulled Pork BBQ Sandwich, and don't forget the Cole Slaw!

Houndog's picture

Gary,
Without Murphy there'd be no more TT,
without TT there'd be no more McPuffy,
and without McPuffy there'd be no more Capers!
Get the picture?
Fire the whole $hit and find someone that wants to win football games rather than build monuments to himself.
Murphy is the Packer's version of Roger Goodell, an overpaid "Yes Man" with too much power and no knowledge (or the balls) of how to use it!
Where are you Bob Harlan, can you help us? Please!

HankScorpio's picture

Would Harlan want to help? He let Ron Wolf write his own ticket based on one SB win. What makes you think he wouldn't do the same for TT?

Go_Pack1265's picture

You hit the nail squarely on the head. Murphy is the issue. The horrors of 70s and 80s ended when Parins was replaced by Bob Harlan. I think the team needs a new direction, its grown stale.

A_Lerxst_in_Packerland's picture

"McCarthy also said he didn't have a thought of making a potential Hundley-for-Callahan swap late in the game against the Ravens."

Um, excuse me, but why the hell would you expose your current starting QB to possible injury in a lost cause? Down 3 scores? Really? <smh>

sonomaca's picture

All these arm chair coaches. Hundley needs game reps. He’s getting game reps. He’s basically a rookie. He may develop. He may not.

How many backups can come in and consistently win games. Basically, none.

Tarynfor12's picture

Case Keenum

Denver's picture

I seem to remember Keenum being pretty horrific prior to this season. Not Hundley horrific, but not far off.

HankScorpio's picture

Flynn had one start in his 3rd year and one in his 4th. Those two results--a competitive loss @ NE and a franchise record for TD passes in a game earned him millions of dollars and a shot at starting on the open market.

Hundley was a higher draft pick with as much developmental time and more game reps. He's not even earning a one way ticket to the CFL.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

He has stuck with dom capers and he still believes in him also...Dom should have gone 5 years ago...MM...has a serious mental issue....this is crazy and actually very concerning...no joke.

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

And it would be a good idea to get Callahan Some reps.

sonomaca's picture

No, it would not. He was a PS player for a reason.

HankScorpio's picture

Kurt Warner was an Arena league QB/grocery bagger that couldn't even make a PS for a while. He improved.

Since the NFL doesn't allow negative points, Callahan literally cannot produce less than Hundley did today.

Point Packer's picture

Dilly Dilly!!!

Tundraboy's picture

Didn't get to watch the game, thank God. But did MM make ANY adjustments? How does one get shut out at home? Proof positive his idea of a game plan is try x, y, z from his plastic menu, and have ARod make it work. Please Santa bring me the present I want this year. A new GM and Coaching staff. People who realize that you surround your Star with whatever you can to win while he's in his prime. Don't play with fate.

A_Lerxst_in_Packerland's picture

Oh, geez, then you missed this - he ran empty backfield (more than once!) on 3rd & short. I just don't get that. At least try to make the defense respect the possible threat of a run!

Tundraboy's picture

Wow. Pure genius. Legend in his own mind.

Point Packer's picture

Dilly Dilly!!!!

Doug Niemczynski's picture

I think Baltimore Ravens would have been very shocked to see Joe Callahan come in the second half since they prepared for Huntley they would have been prepared for Joe Callahan at all and I believe we probably would have won the game

Doug Niemczynski's picture

In the meantime ..new England ..keeps charging on for another Super Bowl title while we just pick our rear end with the best nfl QB...oh what the hell. Who cares we wasted brett favre years why not the sane for aaron rodgers. ..GB org. is a joke.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

And PS......I am SICK and TIRED of all the players on other teams. Jumping in the stands! !!! That is OUR freaking Lambeau Leap!!!! Green Bay let's all the other teams trash us..make fun of us and noelw shove our lambeau leap up out rear end..this org has no balls to stand up to the Nfl or other owners.

Tarynfor12's picture

Then we can't let them score.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

I meant to say the other teams are doing it like I saw Mark Ingram and New Orleans Saints do it and I saw another player on cinncinatti in their own stadiums

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

If Callahan doesn’t deserve some reps in trash time then he should not be on this team. If he is that bad then management is dumber than I think they are!!

Doug Niemczynski's picture

McCarthy doesn't like Callahan because he's not a boy toy like Hundley Callahan is a creative playmaker and McCarthy doesn't like it if you don't do exactly what he says that's why he likes Hundley because he's got reins on him like a dog.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

The same exact reason why McCarthy did not like Brett Favre

fastmoving's picture

So why does he like AR12 than????
That makes even less sense as your Lambeau leap stuff. Suprised that is possible.............

Malland56's picture

Callahan has shown to be way better than Hundly. Two years ago he was awesome in preseason and Hundly sucked.

dobber's picture

Three years ago, Hundley lit it up in preseason...and where are we now?

TommyG's picture

Does anyone remember AR in preseason? We all thought he was mentally challenged.

HankScorpio's picture

What I remember about Rodgers in preseason is a stark progression from year to year. As a rook, he was lost. in yr 2, he was making some plays but still had plenty of holes in his game. In yr 3, he was lights-out and the only question was whether he could translate it to real games.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Im seeing other teams in their stadiums doing our Lambeau Leap ..that is OUR Trademark !!! Other team players should be fined! !!

Tarynfor12's picture

It was grandfathered at the start of the No Fun League not copyrighted,I believe.

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

This sucks!!! Week 11 and we have no chance for post season.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

And his team should have never started that kneeling crap first time in Green Bay history don't stand for the national anthem that was a start of the end right there

fastmoving's picture

You post a lot.........but did you think a single time about the stuff you wrote down?
You making yourself looking pretty strange, much moore than anyone else

cheesehead1's picture

Can’t understand why there wasn’t a QB change. Hundley looks lost at times. On a side note, congrats to the Vikings. I’ve been saying since the off season that they shouldn’t be overlooked. They were decimated by injuries last year. Their D is impressive to say the least.

Handsback's picture

It looks like Green Bay could be around 12th in the next draft. It's time to see what's going to lift this team to a real contender.

Hundley is in his 3rd year. Think just for a second about the rookies and 2nd year QBs and how they are doing compared to Hundley.....its sad when you think a 3rd year QB is performing at rookie level of a mid-round pick.

Malland56's picture

Did u ever watch him in college? He stunk when he played against the good teams. I saw how bad he was against USC a couple years.

TommyG's picture

He has to affirm his belief in the guy. Who is he going to start, Callahan, Kaep? No way! Callahan has no business getting on the field and Kaep doesn't play for this team. At least Hundley played for a big school in D1.

We are now enduring the reality which most of the rest of the league deals with year after year. Have you seen the list of names of QBs that the browns have gone through?

I will say that the myth of MM as a QB Guru is long dead now. Rodgers is not an exception to this myth. he was nearly a first overall pick, and if he hadn't been gifted the pack he would've had a great career somewhere else. MM has never developed one of our backups into anything useful. One might say that Flynn is an exception, but he won a national championship with LSU so the skills were there.

I agree with MM in this case. Hundley is who we have going through the rest of this season. Want him out? Just wait a bit because with the way he is holding the ball and abandoning his protection there is no way he goes six more weeks.

Malland56's picture

Hundly looked good against the Bears. Really? I sure didn't see it. Oh ya that's right his QB rating was up there. Wow! The Bears! Come on. Now he plays a good defense and he stinks up the place along with the OL.

All I can say is let Callahan play next week some where in the game, because it is going to be a massacre.

And a big thanks goes out to TT for letting go of another pair of all pro O linemen. Dink!

Rossonero's picture

Why?

1. Why does McCarthy persist with the stupid wildcat running plays with Cobb?

2. Why does Hundley hold onto it so long?

3. Why can't McCarthy design plays for Hundley to get rid of the ball quickly, especially when the o-line is banged up?

4. Why do fans still call for Capers' head when the defense played well enough to win today?

5. Why can't we stay healthy?

6. Why does McCarthy expect Hundley to go through his reads like Aaron Rodgers?

7. Why do we have such a lack of explosive plays?

8. Why is McCarthy stubborn?

9. If Capers was fired, who would replace him?

10. Why do we still have any reason to believe this season is not over?

nigrivasilayesrej's picture

4. They held a team, that averages 12 points/gm on the road, to 23.
4. During Rodgers' career, we have avg'd giving up 35+ points in his playoff losses.
4. Did you watch the Lions game 3 weeks ago?

I can provide more answers for 4., if you'd like. The list goes on, and on, and on....

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Dude every year it's the same with Dom Capers if we score 13 points defense lets other team score 14 and if our def scores 38 points the other team scores 42 points there is no logic with Dom Capers whatsoever the guy just needs to freaking go. When is the last time are defense won a game when did Dom Capers win a game with his defense with a defense scored to win the game I can't even freaking remember it's always the offense going in the defense barely trying to hold on with their life

Since &#039;61's picture

MM must say that Hundley is his starter. What is he going to do, start Callahan? Callahan is for emergencies only. If Callahan ever needs to be our starter he would make Hundley's play look like Joe Montana.

Even during the preseason Callahan runs around like a little wind up toy and chucks the ball downfield up for grabs. He could handoff but that's about it.

Yes, Callahan looked good in preseason 2 years ago. But Hundley also looked good in preseason 3 years ago and again this season and look where we are. Why would Callahan be any better? We should have chucked Callahan and kept Hill. But there is no guarantee that Hill would be any better either.

MM is stuck with Hundley and Hundley is not ready for the NFL. He may never be. It was obvious today that the game is still moving too fast for him. The only question remaining is when will the veteran players start to play not to get hurt? Will it be next week against the Steelers or the week after? Or will this team and Hundley start to play better when they are out of the playoffs and the pressure is removed? That always a possibility. Of course if Hundley remains lost like he was today none of this will matter because based on today's performance Hundley can't even defeat the Browns. Thanks, Since '61

Bure9620's picture

Yes agree with you on Callahan. But I feel like Hill could be fools gold too. Yes he was claimed off waivers but in the the ore season he was making plays against PS players and guys sitting at home watching the games. I think he would be struggling mightily as well.

4thand1's picture

So much for players performing great in pre season. It means nothing and it shows on the field now. This was a total embarrassment today and now off to Pitt. in prime time. Think I'll chug a bottle of Nyquil at 5 and pass out before game time.

al bundy's picture

If they play callahan it means Ted failed. Mm would lose rather than make his boss look bad. Bennet played while rogers sat on the bench. Had to play teds acquisition.
Sadly,wegot three wasted years and only now finding out what we have.
Draft and develop my patute. Kase Keenum wasnt draft and develope for the vikes. He has 7 wins so far. Three years all the money and time and our development guyhas 1 teddy.

JohnnyLogan's picture

I believe Rodgers has to be energized to want to come back. He'll likely come back regardless, but the team and the town will feel a whole lot better with new management, if just to get the stink out. If a new coach and DC fail I think fans will accept that at least we tried, but years of the same garbage D, opposing teams and individual players setting team and personal all time records, and throw in an offense predicated on one player are enough! We've seen this script for years. We need a rewrite!

croatpackfan's picture

It was interesting reading. I mean, comment section.

I was really fooled. I learned in my life to believe to myself. And everytime I do not believe to myself (what I see, know and what I feel), I'm wrong...

After Saints game Brett Hundley looked to me like player Packers will be lucky to trade if they offer 5th rounder in the next draft to some other team. Than came Lions and I saw little improvement and said to myself: OK, I might be wrong, he might just need some time to adjust to the speed of the game... After that 2 throws against Bears I said, OK, that must be that. He will not tossing that kind of throws to often, but he may show some nice average plays that will be enough for winning some game.

After I watched yestersday game I know, feel and I saw Brett Hundly is young, overconfident and not so capable QB. He was traying to impersonate Aaron Rodgers, which is ridiculous. He does not have traits which Aaron posses and he need to be himself. But, in his head he became top QB, because of those 2 throws in Chicago... My God.

All 3 INT was badly underthrown passes and fumble is evidence that game is way to fast for him. His "tries" to protect the ball produce, in fact, completly opposite result.

How he "avoids" defenders give that defenders better chance to sack him or hit him or ...

Instead to make step ahead, he goes 2 step behind and at that moment he is already to away to make any play except to go down. (Oh, how I miss Aaron, his perfect decisions when defenders attacks him!).

All together, with Brett Hundley at QB, Packers are probably 5-11.

There is question who will be team that will lose to Browns. I gave you all that question. Who do you think will be team Browns will defeat?

4zone's picture

What does 7-9 get us? 6-10?

Lphill's picture

Hundley is not smart enough for the NFL .

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Is absolutely pathetic at Doug Peterson was our quarterback coach leading the freaking Eagles to the Super Bowl and the Vikings have Case Keenum the Vikings may be going to the Superbowl the Jaguars with freaking Blake Bortles maybe going to the Superbowl this is freaking ridiculous so this game is not depend on just one player look at the Saints they got rid of that freaking Rex Ryan dude and their defense is doing a whole lot better than it did with Rex Ryan they fired the bomb

dobber's picture

The Vikes will lose at least 3 if not 4 games, yet. They'll play themselves into a lousy 2nd round matchup at Philly or at New Orleans.

fastmoving's picture

Man, witch Rex Ryan do you mean????

GVPacker's picture

Im getting the feeling the Cleveland Browns get their first and only win this season against the Packers!

Tundraboy's picture

Rodgers has the field vision similar to Magic and Bird. I fear Hundley does not. Real game action may have exposed how big that gap is.

badaxed's picture

There are practice players and there are game players. I'll take the game player any day. Todays practices are a joke. Walk through's and tackling "Donuts" are practices?
Hundley should be riding the pine after this last performance. Give Anyone else a chance. they can do no worse.

pooch's picture

Went to Packer practices last 2 years,they are a picnic compared to my high school peactices,i think the cheer leader practices aee tougher than Packer peactices,you wonder why they are constant injuries on this team

pooch's picture

Practice not peactices

dobber's picture

My guess is that your HS didn't play under the CBA...

Zaphod Dog's picture

1) it's not unexpected that MM is mystified that Hundley practices so well and yet fails so spectacularly on the field. HE PRACTICES AGAINST THE PACKERS DEFENSE!

2) name me a quarterback that MM has developed. All those great developmental projects happened under Holmgren and Sherman. Rogers? Nah Rogers was already a spectacular talent. Flynn? Flynn was a BCS championship winning QB. He already had the instincts.
MM has never developed a QB, not really.

badaxed's picture

Time for Howdy doody, The white zombie, and Mcfathead to go.

Finwiz's picture

McCarthy is a bonafide idiot if he thinks Hundley can play.
3 years of coaching, and this is what you get?
Nice work, Pillsbury dough-boy. Time to resign.

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