After Further Review: Packers vs. Texans (Preseason)

Ross will provide a few observations every Monday afternoon following a Packers game based on a few viewings of the condensed version of the game on NFL GamePass.  While this might not be the All-22 camera deep dive that might be more "educational", it should provide a conversation point for the rest of the week.

This, is of course the Friday after a Thursday game.  All things remain the same.  The same, but different. 
 
I thought this might have been Kizer's best performance in a Packers uniform.  Was he great?  No.  Was he finally the don't-blow-the-game backup quarterback it seems like the Packers have been missing?  Maybe.  The panic that you would see from him often times that resulted in a turnover was not as prevelant on Thursday night.  The numbers back up what I observed as well.  8/13 for 102 and a TD.
 
Ty Summers is pretty good.  He's instinctive and physical, and one of the best athletes on the team, period.
 

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Ross Uglem is a staff writer for Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter @RossUglem 

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wildbill's picture

August 09, 2019 at 04:01 pm

I too thought this was the best Kizer has looked for us, kept his eyes downfield on his TD throw. Still don’t trust him to win us an NFL game, sorry

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Guam's picture

August 09, 2019 at 04:25 pm

I thought Kizer and Boyle played about evenly and neither one impressed me with their accuracy. Maybe I have been spoiled by the long run of Favre and Rogers, but I want a backup that can hit the standard throws consistently. Both Kizer and Boyle have live arms and both showed better presence and game management skills, but both missed or hesitated on simple throws.

M. Adams and Keke both looked good so I feel much better about the loss of Daniels. Hopefully that trend continues. The Packers need five DL to have a good rotation and Clark, Lowery, M. Adams and Keke look like four of them.

And the Packers look like they will have some real talent/depth at WR.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 09, 2019 at 04:56 pm

The difference to me is that Boyle can hit the deep throw with more consistency and anticipation.

If the Jags can make it to the AFCG with Bortles by virtue of defense and the ground game, either QB could potentially keep us alive if Rodgers misses 3-5 games. Boyle just opens up the field a bit more with the deep throw, while with Kizer defenses know to play close to the line and wait for him to try to force a play.

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Guam's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:22 pm

Problem is MLF runs a move the chains offense, not MM's big play offense. I am not sure Boyle is a good fit for MLF's offense whereas Kizer with short throws and his running capability may be a better fit.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 09, 2019 at 10:58 pm

There's definitely truth to that.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 11:31 pm

To me both have strengths and weaknesses. That said, both were a heck of a lot better than I feared they might be going in.

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Since'61's picture

August 09, 2019 at 04:06 pm

Packers need to work on tackling. Pettine, MLF or both need to make tackling a priority. The real Season starts 4 weeks from last night's game.

Otherwise for the first preseason game without the 1s it was underwhelming but OK. MLF gets a win as an HC and protects his key players. Good moves.
Thanks, Since '61

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Ross Uglem's picture

August 09, 2019 at 04:38 pm

thankfully there weren't too many guys that will have to make tackles actually playing last night. No Amos, Tramon, Blake, Jaire, Clark, Jackson, Savage, and neither of the Smiths.

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Since'61's picture

August 09, 2019 at 05:06 pm

Agreed, plus there is still time left in the preseason. Hopefully we will see improvement with each preseason game. Thanks, Since '61

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 09, 2019 at 04:09 pm

Darrius Shepherd hopefully makes the Practice Squad. This team is so deep at WR, BG is going to have some tough decisions to make.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 10, 2019 at 09:16 am

Shepherd runs good routes according to Andy Herman. Shepherd did not do well at his pro day, but was super productive in college. He is a prototypical small slot receiver, which is something no one else is. Interesting guy.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

August 09, 2019 at 04:26 pm

"The Packers offensive line got a lot deeper this offseason, even with the loss of Jason Spriggs."

Addition by subtraction.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 05:36 pm

But we got him back: nobody claimed him.

I’m intrigued, I didn’t see Keke as that stellar. Admittedly I wasn’t focused on him. Great news if true. Adams was the one that stood out to me in the middle, so either way a good sign.

I don’t think Shepherd can be kept off the roster. He has a skill set that I haven’t seen on this team for quite a while and just catches everything. In addition, he returns too. May be too much of a good thing to successfully stash on the PS. Hope I’m not deluding myself, but that’s my current take.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:33 pm

Shepherd is on my 53. I'll keep banging the drum. New players, new karma. LaFleur hopefully will keep working on urgency and pace. Get this group focused on getting to the big game.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 10, 2019 at 09:24 am

I thought M. Adams and Keke both flashed. I didn't quite realize that Keke played 44 snaps and Adams played 35 snaps. The starting Houston OL stinks, with Khalil being pretty bad. Still, they both did more than flash.

I should have expected the vituperative nature of the comments about Spriggs. He really wasn't that bad. Fans are factoring in his draft status too much.

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dobber's picture

August 10, 2019 at 09:48 am

And the prize for gratuitous use of the word "vituperative" in an NFL blog goes to....TGR!!!

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Branden Burke's picture

August 09, 2019 at 05:45 pm

I didn't get to see the broadcast of it. Only from my prospective in the stands. Defensively, it looked pretty bad. Green Bay was getting gashed. If not for those timely turnovers, it would have been a Texans win by a blowout. Not to mention that the Texans offense was a half a step away from some big plays that never materialized. In other words, it could have been much worse defensively.

I thought Raven greene was the best player on the defense from what I could see. Pro football focus gave him the 2nd best rating for the game. Just under Curtis Bolton but both much higher than the next guys on the list, M. Adams.

Moore was open consistently. He just can't catch apparently. There were a lot of guys who got open that the QB's didn't see or get to in their progressions. I think the 4th QB on the roster may be the most interesting of the bunch. #2 and #3 aren't adding much to the team right now.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:35 pm

Yes, give Wilkens more opportunities to claim a backup spot.

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stormin's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:30 pm

I doubt you were at the game, just a troll downgrading the PACK !

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Branden Burke's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:14 pm

Who brags about being at a preseason game where the starters didn't play....

The D looked rough. I really hope the 1st string plays much better.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 11:37 pm

But turnovers are part of defending. I know what you mean, the play with the fumble Greene causes is an example, but they managed to get it done despite some errors and rust and with one starter in the front 7 (absent 6 snaps of Burks).

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JohnnyLogan's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:15 pm

Need a backup QB desperately! How do you make all those moves and then risk everything on a freak Rodgers injury? Kizer is not an NFL QB. At least Boyle hangs in the pocket and has a live arm. I think he's a year or two away from being really good. I'd get rid of Kizer for a conditional pick and sign a vet QB to go with Boyle.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 06:42 pm

Name that vet?

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Jonathan Spader's picture

August 09, 2019 at 09:12 pm

Sam Bradford, Brock Osweiler, Mark Sanchez, Landry.

None of which inspire confidence. Bradford if you could sign him at the veteran minimum which I doubt he'd do.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2019 at 11:40 pm

I would rather have who we have. Bradford is not worth losing the opportunity to resign a player: he isn’t taking the minimum. The others I don’t want if they would play for free. Seriously pipe dreaming.

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Since'61's picture

August 10, 2019 at 09:31 am

Jonathan - FYI, Mark Sanchez has announced his retirement from the NFL. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 09, 2019 at 11:09 pm

Case Keenum should be available, but would they pay him? Colt McCoy,
may be on the block if Snyder wants Gruden to play Haskins. Just get a guy who knows how to handle the game. Kizer is not a player. Boyle limited pocket savvy.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 10, 2019 at 09:30 am

Pretty sure Andy and Ross discussed this in a podcast. They suggested that the going rate for a backup QB who can win a game or three if necessary starts at $5M.

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sonomaca's picture

August 10, 2019 at 09:31 am

Kizer is getting better. His issue was always confidence, not talent, and that seems to be improving. If Boyle plays well, he’d definitely draw trade interest.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 09, 2019 at 07:43 pm

Next years draft in round 1 either a QB, or OT depending on who is available. Should either Boyle or Kizer really elevate their game they may not go the QB route but iffy right now.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 10, 2019 at 12:07 am

You cannot devote that kind of draft capital to someone who isn't expected to be a starter within a year, and especially not when you are trying to build a team around a QB that commands 20%ish of your available cap space.

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Fastenerpuller's picture

August 10, 2019 at 12:21 am

Totally agree. We need to have a serviceable backup, but we’re not winning the SB with anyone but 12 so why plan on it. We draft an heir apartment a year or two before AR retires, if we cab time it.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 10, 2019 at 05:34 am

Except, of course, that's exactly what we did when we drafted Rodgers.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 10, 2019 at 10:11 am

While valuing your comment I disagree!
If Kizer and Boyle aren't what the Packers need at backup and if round 1 next year rolls around I'd say if there is a quality QB starting them in the face I would guarantee (If I was able) that Gute would strongly consider drafting that QB. If he didnt I'd lose faith in Gute.

Now let's say Rodger gets hurt this year and the backup QB's obviously cannot lead the team to victories you are saying depending on how the draft in round 1 plays out that a quality QB the Pack has rated wouldn't be a strong consideration. LOL

Seriously. very premature statement at this point in time. It is a high probability Rodger's with his history and age will start every game the rest of his career and at the most important position on the field if you do not have a QB to fill in you likely wont win a SB anyway.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 10, 2019 at 10:10 am

Bad wi-fi connection at gym! Sorry duplication

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 10, 2019 at 10:09 am

Bad wi-fi connection

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BoCallahan's picture

August 10, 2019 at 03:57 am

Thanks for the clip on Summers. It’s a perfect comparison between 42 & 44. 44 flies to the RB and as a result the TE can’t adjust and block him. Great explosion by 44 to meet the RB in the hole.
42 hesitates just a split second and that gives the RT sufficient time to shield him from the RB.

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BoCallahan's picture

August 10, 2019 at 04:07 am

As soon as I saw Shep make the TD, I knew Ross was somewhere in front of a tv shouting! He maybe even shed a few tears. Best wishes 10.

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Qoojo's picture

August 10, 2019 at 09:30 am

I think Moore is going to be an interesting test for Gute, as the biggest thing going for him is his draft status. Moore has to play a lot better to beat out his competition, but will Gute give him more time than he should? Assuming Moore's level play does not improve.

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sonomaca's picture

August 10, 2019 at 09:51 am

Unfortunately, I don’t think Moore is long for the roster. He just doesn’t seem to be a natural catcher. Every ball is a struggle. I don’t know what the issue is, but the Packers have too many other good receivers to continue on with Moore.

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PatrickGB's picture

August 10, 2019 at 05:24 pm

I keep reading from different folks that Kizer did not look too bad. I must have watched a different game. I also watched other teams backup QBs play and most looked better than Kizer. When it comes to quick decisions by the QB I thought Boyle looked better. I pretty much agreed with the rest of this article.

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