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Aaron Rodgers is practicing for some reason

From Packers reporter Mike Spofford:

The only thing that could possibly make this wasted season worse is for the team's $134 million investment to be injured in a meaningless game.

So of course the brain trust inside 1265 Lombardi is all for rolling the dice on it. 

Rodgers addressed this in the locker room after practice:

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

I AR steps onto the field the 1-1,000,000 chance I would want Philbin to stay head coach will become even narrower.

Barnacle's picture

AR selfishly(and wisely) out smarted the GB brain trust and destroyed the salary cap. Now he wants to risk our highest paid asset in an almost meaningless game. A game that is better for the team if we lose.

It was stupid to extend AR and it seems unwise to play him now. He will not get my fan support for being unwise and thinking stupid decisions shows he cares about his teammates and the fans.

Earth to Murphy, please do no allow an interim head coach to risk our highest paid player in a game that would be beneficial for the team if we lost. I do not need to see another Hail Mary or fancy scramble from our overpaid QB.

Turophile's picture

Don't be like a limpet, Barnacle, and cling so tight to one side of an argument you cannot see the other. Rodgers gave his side of that argument, and it was a valid, even though it was opposite to your view.

I'd like to see AR play (fans have paid their hard-earned dollars for these games), and you can still partially see your viewpoint put into action, if Rodgers sits the last quarter of each of the last two games, for Kizer and Boyle to each showcase their skills.

Also calling it stupid to extend AR is shortsighted. He has a good chance of getting back to the AR we used to know (or close to that). You have to let it play out in the coming seasons. Your view may turn out the right one, and it may be very wrong, only time will tell.

Barnacle's picture

Turophile

I agree, some fans do not seem to care if we win. They want to see past great players in action.

My favorite past coach was Lombardi. One of his comments was about winning being the only thing. This season is lost. Why risk our most valuable asset just so some fan can see this overpaid asset in a meaningless game.

Compare your best case scenario with the worst case scenario and tell me what you would do with Rodgers. I would sit him for the long term benefit of the team. Do you also believe Rodgers should play more exhibition games?

dobber's picture

He's going to have to in 2019.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

T,
Well stated!

fastmoving's picture

of course you dont do a lot of math, but that its mathematically complete BS, and the chance is 10 000 times higher than you wrote, but we got your opinion.

Since nobody knows how things turn out (and at least the people who pretend otherwise), I could imagine Philbin would become a great HC for AR

Dash Riprock's picture

Of course he's practicing. He wants to win. He also selfishly wants the team drafting further back to decrease the chances of them selecting a qb in the draft with their first pick. He learned one thing from Favre. Never ever sit out a game. You never want to be replaced. Team player all the way. You go Aaron. Such bravery you are showing by practicing. The entire Packer nation is hoping and praying you can give us two more victories to end this season. You can do it Aaron. We all have your back. Go get those Jets and win win win!!

jeepingmakooi's picture

Dash... Please don't tell me you see the talent enough in any of the qbs coming out this year are good enough to step in? I don't. At all

Dash Riprock's picture

I don't but Aaron Rodgers simply is decreasing the chances of it happening by trying to win. We should be playing Kizer this week and next week. It's the only way we assure ourselves the absolute top pick we can get. Aaron is being totally selfish by playing or even practicing. Again, this is 1988 all over again but on a lower scale.

Lare's picture

Aaron Rodgers isn't the person who decides if he plays or not. That is up to Philbin, Gutekunst and Murphy.

dobber's picture

I want every one of these rostered players to want to play every game they're physically healthy enough to play. If ARod wants to sit, then that's a big part of his problem right there.

Since '61's picture

Dobber - way to go!!! I agree completely. Thanks, Since '61

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Do you disagree with Rodgers sitting week 16 last season then?

dobber's picture

Last season they rushed him to the Carolina game, and got him just healthy enough to be cleared medically. When he played, he clearly had atrophied in his arm strength and it was clearly a mistake for him to have been activated at all. Different situation.

If he's hurt, and he can't function, that's one thing. If he's healthy enough to play, he should play.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Well, he was arguably just as bad 2017 vs Carolina as last week vs the Bears

Gort's picture

Apples are not oranges.

HankScorpio's picture

The Packers trotted out the story that Rodgers would have been placed back on IR whether they won vs Carolina or not? I'm not sure I believe them entirely. But I know they said it.

Whether or not it is true, it certainly confirms that tanking a season on purpose is not something teams will admit to doing. If tanking is as smart and obvious as you seem to think it is, why wouldn't teams just make the case they are being smart and doing the obvious thing?

mamasboy's picture

Oh really? Lare. Up to Philbin, Gutey and Murphy? Right, we'll see about that! I'm really sure they want to deal with Rogers' behavior, when he doesn't get his way.

4thand10's picture

You get paid to play 16 games. You play for the fans. AR is absolutely doing the right thing. If your a season ticket holder you don’t pay all that money to see Boyle yet. Besides, are the next 2 games guaranteed Wins? Based on the way the team has played all year they are not. These guys get paid a lot, to much to sit on the sidelines praying for higher draft picks.... I don’t like that philosophy. They get paid to play, practice etc..

mamasboy's picture

4thand, season ticket holders are selling their tickets. A friend was at the Falcons game. He said if you waited til 15 minutes before kickoff, you could get a seat for $20. The Packers are NOT entertaining this year.

barutanseijin's picture

Maybe the Packer brass want to lose and that's why they're playing Rodgers.

After all, he's the guy who lost to Josh Rosen and the Cards at home. Plus,he's 0-7 on the road this year. He's quite capable of losing to the Jets.

KC Mack's picture

D$ nailed it. AR, where was this bravado and leadership throughout the season, when games still mattered? Instead, we got sulking, whiny-faced, piss-all-over the rookies AR, the gold standard of "leadership". He did just enough to to throw the last shovel-full of dirt on MM's grave. With nothing to play for but stats, now he wants to lead. Weak sauce. Shooter McGavin had more spine & heart....

barutanseijin's picture

Relax. They have a pretty good chance of losing with Rodgers.

After all, he's the guy who lost to Josh Rosen and the Cards at home. Plus,he's 0-7 on the road this year.

Big gar's picture

Does anyone really believe at is a team player. With what he said petaining to keeping Cobb should be the last straw. This team plays like the last linde infante team
By the way, we do know what Ron Wolfe did in the off season

LeotisHarris's picture

Good point. Wolfe was an avid golfer, and I believe he liked to swim, too in the off season. What a lot of people don't know he did in the offseason was sing in show choirs. Tenor. He just loved it!

mamasboy's picture

His statement about Cobb is another attempt to influence Gute and Murph. Trying to make sure his best friend on the team remains in GB. Even though Cobb hasn't been that stellar even when he WAS available. Rogers is probably hoping they remember the backlash from Jordy's departure.

HankScorpio's picture

Rodgers is far from the only guy to speak kindly of a teammate heading toward free agency.

dobber's picture

...and I doubt his voicing his opinion will change what the team plans are regarding Cobb one bit.

Packers0808's picture

Who cares if he plays or not, he has become a loser!

Lare's picture

At least you're consistent.

Samson's picture

0808 is consistently ignorant.

tincada's picture

If they let AR play they should all (MM, BG and JP) hit the road. AR is not in charge of the team. Look at the Panthers. Cam can't play and they got a QB they know nothing about. Remind you of the Hundley fiasco?

4thand1's picture

Maybe start AR, pull him early and see what Kiser can do. Maybe Kiser performs well and we get a decent pick for him. Maybe he can hit MVS on a deep ball.

Dash Riprock's picture

We already know what Kizer can do that's why everyone wants him starting the next two games so we can move up in the draft. Aaron Rodgers is going to go into these next two game and play like he did against Atlanta in 2010 playoffs just watch. He f'd up our short term future with that franchise killing contract and now he'll put the icing on the cake by suddenly playing like he used too and we'll go from 8 to 20 in the draft. It's absolutely critical we play to lose these next two meaningless games. There's no shame in tanking anymore. The really bad teams do it all the time and the fans want it.

I remember the last game in 1988 against Arizona for a reason. With one useless "win" we went from taking Troy Aikman to picking Tony effin Mandarich. Wins are nice but not this season. The only way this franchise wins is by losing the next two games with pride and dignity. We can do this. Somebody needs to slap around Rodgers and sit his ass down on the bench.

Lare's picture

Aaron Rodgers isn't the person who decides if he plays or not. That is up to Philbin, Gutekunst and Murphy. And I don't think they need to slap anyone around to make the decision.

But to each his own.

Dash Riprock's picture

Give me a damn break. Aaron Rodgers runs this team. Everything goes thru him whether you like it or not. If Aaron Rodgers wanted to sit out the next two games and give Kizer and Boyle some playing time he can do it in a second just by telling Philbin that's what he prefers. What is Philbin, Gute or Murphy going to do? Fire him? fine him? Ah, yeah, that's right..nothing. Leverage is a beautiful thing when you have it.

packergal's picture

Dash,

As much as I don't like it, you are correct about Rodgers running the team and having "leverage".

Fortunately for fans, I believe AROD leverage has not yet been deployed and instead his real "leadership skills" have been on display.

Several examples: AROD likely should not have issued comments about Jordy's release, Cobb's slot capabilities and team fit; and he should never have played passive-aggressive games with MM play calling as he growled at the WRs when guilty of missing open receivers --over and over again.

In addition, whenever challenged about mechanics, he should stop reminding us about his sound fundamentals and the two helmet awards he has in his office that confirm his talents.

But...here we are--arguing about whether he plays or not and whether improved draft position occurs-- while AROD reassures everyone that his leadership skills are the reason he wants to compete.

Like most fans here, I don't care about AROD leadership skills since it appears these have rarely been on display.

Instead, I prefer to see how good or bad Kizer, Boyle, Tonyan and others are/can be since we already know that our OL, AROD, Graham and others need to practice more, produce better and/or move on.

Dash Riprock's picture

Excellent comments Packergal. It's like you just picked my brain on this situation. Well, it's good to know who is on who's side because the war on Rodgers has kicked off with this article. Nagler started it. It was bound to happen at some time but Nagler decided to shoot the first bullet to kick the civll war part II off. Sides are starting to be taken on it. I know who's my friend and who is going to be "the enemy". Caution everyone. This is going to be a long three year war so grab some cartons of cigarettes, plenty of beer and bring your hard hat along with an attitude. This might be worse than the Brett Favre war in 2008. Right now I'm posting from a bunker. Only Leotis knows where that is.

WMA's picture

Dash. Usually like your stuff but believe you are suffering from Rodgers Derangement Syndrome.

Dash Riprock's picture

I suffer from common sense thinking. We are out of the playoffs. The head coach is fired and half the effin team is on IR. What possible reason do the Packers have to play Aaron Rodgers in two meaningless games other than to possibly help Davante Adams break a record and screw up getting a higher draft pick? Talk about selfish. Sit Rodgers and cross your fingers we lose. Everyone is happy. Well everyone except a few righteous people here.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

If they wanted to roll him out for a quarter it would be OK with me. But otherwise your comment makes so much sense that I can't even believe you have to argue for it.

Dash Riprock's picture

I can't believe it either Jeremy. I mean I can handle a few people here disagreeing with me but I am really pissed at the Packers top guys not putting a halt to this madness of playing Rodgers yet. They made a bad decision signing Rodgers to that contract when they didn't have too and now they double down on stupid and risk not only his future health but they also lose out on a possible higher pick if they win and nobody will give a shit in two weeks.

KC Mack's picture

Gospel. Preach on Pastor Riprock. AR should be working on golf swing right now....

Hematite's picture

He was given an outrageous contract that must be fulfilled.
He should be made to play every snap of the last two games UNLESS he has TWO broken legs.

Since '61's picture

Dash - no one forced the Packers to offer Rodgers a contract or such a large contract. Why are you blaming the player for signing it? What would you be posting if he demanded even more money or held out?

The Packers had 2 years left on ARs contract, they did not need to extend him at this time. That was the Packers decision and many of the posters here supported it at the time. As for draft position we won 7 games last season and we had the 14th position. I doubt that even if we win the next 2 games we are going to go all the way up to 20th. Besides that we are at 11 position as of today not 8th.

If Gute wanted Rodgers to sit he would be sitting. If Rodgers is going to play he should be practicing. He owes it to his team mates to prepare to play. Playing to lose or trying to tank games only gets people hurt. You can't do it in football the game doesn't work that way.

I really don't mind that many posters are blaming this poor season on Rodgers, that comes with his territory, his position and his salary but the whining is really pathetic. This organization has had a bad season from Murphy on down. Actually they have had a few bad seasons but Rodgers bailed them out more than a few times. The wheels fell off this season, it's over. Now the issue is can the Packers management put the wheels back on and get this thing moving again. Can we replace the tires and get back to the playoffs or do we need to build a whole new chassis from the ground up. That's management's decision and management's job to get it done whichever they decide.

I would also think from the majority of posts I've read here this week that those same posters would be fine if Rodgers was permanently injured so they could move on to their new QB (whatever that might be) since they seem to know (with all their NFL experience from their couches, FFLs and Madden toys) that Rodgers is washed up anyway.

So OK let Rodgers play, get him hurt and out of the way and bring on the new guy. Let's see how far we go over the next 3-5 seasons. There are plenty of HOF QBs on all those QB trees out there. We can replace AR no problem. Just go draft a guy. Or better yet go sign Flaco, or Eli Manning, or Nick Foles, hey we may even be able to steal Terry Bilgewater and stick it to the Viqueens. Yes, that's the way to go!

Rodgers is washed up, let's chuck him. We can sign anybody to hand off to Aaron Jones and our offensive problems are all solved.

If Rodgers wasn't playing these same posters would probably be posting that Rodgers is taking the money and not earning it by sitting out the last 2 games, etc. SMH, can't make this stuff up. Thanks, Since '61

Samson's picture

Everything you've said is correct.
Some of these posters are showing their obvious ignorance involving the AR situation.
Myself ---- I believe AR will be one of the front-runners for NFL MVP in season 2019. --- He'll be healthy with a better HC & supporting cast provided by Gute.

Dash Riprock's picture

Samson, I didn't have time to read it. Could you do me a favor and condense it for me? Thanks

LeotisHarris's picture

Dash, I think just knowing everything in there is correct should be enough for you.

Dash Riprock's picture

So Since 61 agrees with me? I am assuming that's what you mean.

Rebecca's picture

Lol. About as long as the original article.

KC Mack's picture

Sorry Samsung. Same shite, different season. They said the same thing last year. AR coming off of injury would come back, win MVP & take this team to the promised land. AR hasn't been the same since the week 1 injury. His lack of reps with the new kids in the pre-season, coupled with lack of reps during the course of this season have stunted the rookies growth & rapport w/ AR. Plus, AR showed his true colors under adversity. He's no Tom Brady/Drew Brees in terms of leadership. Unless he gets hit by karmic lightning, I'm not seeing it for next season either....

Nick Perry's picture

Since '61 says....

"This organization has had a bad season from Murphy on down. Actually they have had a few bad seasons but Rodgers bailed them out more than a few times. The wheels fell off this season, it's over. Now the issue is can the Packers management put the wheels back on and get this thing moving again."

He should have 100 "Likes" just from this statement alone. Talking about hitting the nail on the head. More than one other poster here including myself have said if you took Rodgers off the field the Packers would be a 4-12 team during most of the past several Packers seasons.

Ted Thompson DRAINED this team of talent and this ISN'T meant as another comment to "Beat a dead horse"...It's the God Damn truth! I could go back years further but just go look at WHO was drafted after the Players Thompson drafted.

THAT is the reason the GBP are who they are today.

Since '61's picture

Thanks Nick, I appreciate your thoughts. Since ‘61

flackcatcher's picture

I blame Murphy for this cluster Nick. Ted wanted to retire in 2015 and made that clear to Murphy. Murphy had so many excellent GM candidates not only in the league but in house, that his selection of Ted's successor should have been a no brainier. But 2015 then 2016 passed with no announcement. If Ted had not publicly announced that he was leaving in 2017, Murphy would have found a way to keep Ted in place over his objections. The executive committee forced Murphy to pick a new GM, that much we know. What we do not know is what and why, and those are important. I expect we will find out after Murphy's contract ends.

Dash Riprock's picture

So what the hell does this have to do with sitting Rodgers the next two games? That's what we are discussing. Stay on topic you two. Thank God I didn't read the original. More Ted Thompson bashing. It never ends.

Nick Perry's picture

Jesus Christ R-E-L-A-X.... I'm sure more than a few of your 593 comments in the last few weeks have been "Off-Topic". I'll also comment about or voice my opinion any damn time I want until Al tells me I'm out of line, not you.

lucky953's picture

Ahh....a refreshing breath of rationality. Thank you.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

That would be ok with me TBH. I want to minimize the risk to Rodgers and other key players. A better pick is icing on the cake.

zoellner25's picture

If he tears an ACL, forget next season too

jeremyjjbrown's picture

But he'll have played in a meaningless week 15. Egos must be padded!

Since '61's picture

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Stop whining and get a clue or at least try to."

You don't usually act like a jerk 61. Not sure what's gotten into you. I want to save Rodgers for next season. The next 2 weeks the risk is high and the reward is nonexistent. If he gets hurt it will derail the off season for both him and the next coach and they be 3 seasons out of the playoffs.

You don't agree. That's your right.

Dash Riprock's picture

Plenty agree with you Jeremy. I know I do 100%. Someone just said I was suffering from Rodgers Derangement Syndrome. Well, if I am I would almost have to say that Since 61 could also be suffering from it. That harsh response to you was not a typical Since 61 response. Let's hope cooler heads prevail and we can all agree to disagree on whether Rodgers should play or sit the bench.

Since '61's picture

Dash you have been knocking Rodgers for the last several weeks. My position is clear. I support Rodgers and I support his decision to play. I respect his decision (assuming that it is decision) to be on the field with his teammates. Your posts indicated to me that his is trying to hurt the team's draft position for his own interests. Maybe I have misread or misunderstood the meanings of your posts. If that is true that is my bad and I regret it.

But Rodgers has received plenty of hate from many of the posters here lately. So it's a little disingenuous to believe that those same posters are suddenly concerned about his health in 2019 when they post that he is washed up, should be traded for draft picks and that he is only playing to hurt the Packers draft position. Now if the posts read that he should not play because he is injured that would be different but again most of the posters don't believe that he has been playing injured in the first place. Thanks, Since '61

Cwilly's picture

I think trade Rodgers so he can win another super bowl since he’s washed up. These people are ignorant. They have no clue how lucky Green Bay got having Rodgers after favre. It never works that way. A bunch of spoiled fans that think it’s gonna happen again. Thompson got lucky with the slip and ever since every packer fan thinks it’s gonna happen again. Sick of reading the same garbage everyday. Not just this site it’s all of them. Fans have been spoiled and now that this roster is garbage from tt and Murphy they think we’re gonns score another half of fame qb. Sorry they live in an alternate reality.

Cwilly's picture

I think trade Rodgers so he can win another super bowl since he’s washed up. These people are ignorant. They have no clue how lucky Green Bay got having Rodgers after favre. It never works that way. A bunch of spoiled fans that think it’s gonna happen again. Thompson got lucky with the slip and ever since every packer fan thinks it’s gonna happen again. Sick of reading the same garbage everyday. Not just this site it’s all of them. Fans have been spoiled and now that this roster is garbage from tt and Murphy they think we’re gonns score another half of fame qb. Sorry they live in an alternate reality.

NJMagic's picture

Well said dobber, well said 61. I think many new fans have gotten so used to making the playoffs, they've forgotten what it's like to have your team play when there are not going to make it. You stood up, you play the game, you remember this is a game and you should be out there for the fans.

All this talk of tanking by fans is not smart (look at the average draft position you're talking about by these next two games), and can be dire for a franchises mental health first. they should want to go out to play, they should want to win these games, and they should find meaning in each game for the salary that we are all paying them.

I for one will always root for the pack to win

Go pack go!

Dash Riprock's picture

"All this talk of tanking by fans is not smart (look at the average draft position you're talking about by these next two games), and can be dire for a franchises mental health first."

CAN BE DIRE FOR A FRANCHISES MENTAL HEALTH? Seriously? lol What the f does that even mean? So if Rodgers doesn't start the next two games the entire team, coaching staff, will need psychiatric help? This topic is actually becoming comical at this point. I hope it never ends. Keep em' coming. Thank you Aaron Nagler. You have no idea the entertainment this has provided so many people. One of the best articles ever in my opinion.

WMA's picture

Dash. I'm the one who brought up RDS - mainly did because of the consistent ranting. As a whole though, you may be correct on your opinions on Rodgers and I agree with most of your assessments.

Dash Riprock's picture

Thank you WMA for your respectful comments. Most of the respectful comments I noticed are from people who prefer Rodgers to sit. The others who want him to play appear to be more hostile which fits in with RDS, a known mental disorder.

By the way, just listening to the radio and one of the most highly respected guys in sports Jim Rome agrees with you and I as well. SIT RODGERS!!

Since '61's picture

Jjeremy- You made the comment about his ego. I'm also not one of the posters who says that he is washed up. Your comment did not indicate anything about concern for Rodgers health in 2019.

My comment is supporting his position to play because that is what professionals do. Your comment was another knock on Rodgers this time aimed at his ego. If I misunderstood your intention my bad and I apologize.
Thanks, Since '61

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Actually I meant a lot of egos, thus the plural. But it is not obvious.

Thanks, I get it. We love seeing Rodgers play. The Packers Brass will decide anyways and we'll get what we get

zoellner25's picture

Ask yourself this, would you rather have Kizer for 8-12 games in 2019?

Samson's picture

Sorry '61, but some of these clowns have never had a clue & never will.

dobber's picture

...but I DO have a soapbox! ;)

Since '61's picture

"et tu" Dobber. Thanks, Since '61

LeotisHarris's picture

"If he tears and ACL, forget next season too"

Now just hold on there, Zoellner25. Now you're sounding like Dash with all this metaphysical stuff! How on god's gray earth can we forget next season when it hasn't happened yet? Next thing we know you'll be predicting Tim Boyle will be in the Hall of Fame.

If this kind of devil worship is going to continue here, Mods are going to need to step in! Time travel, Seers, crystal balls, Magic 8 balls. It's a den of vipers, I tell you! Get thee behind me Satan!

Dash Riprock's picture

Leotis, what can I say. I have a gift. This is why I am so passionate about Rodgers stealing reps for selfish reasons that only hurt the team in the long run.

Here's something else I "see" Leotis. I see a great divide starting to form. The same divide we had in 2008 during the Favre/Rodgers transition. Today was that day thanks to Naglers persuasive headline Aaron Rodgers is practicing FOR SOME REASON. We saw today the first of what will be a long long battle between people wanting to play Rodgers until he's 50 vs. the other side who wants to see the Packers move on to a different qb. Remember this day 12-19-2018. Nagler was the guy who drew first blood with the words FOR SOME REASON. The war is officially on. I predict lots of insults, friends becoming enemies, divorces, arrests, etc over Aaron Rodgers going forward. It's going to get ugly I'm not going to lie. This civil war II will end in three years. You're welcome Leotis.

LeotisHarris's picture

Dash, would it be wise for me to stock up on those End of Days survival food buckets former televangelist ,and sexual predator Jim Bakker is hawking? I can take neighbor-against-neigbor war, but I don't want to be hungry during the conflict.

As far as Nagler doing anything of consequence to influence anything, well, let's just say you're on you're own with that argument, buddy. I mean, I like the guy, but if you're in your 40s and still sitting around with Behnke playing video games ::shrug::

zoellner25's picture

He is hurt. He has dealt with a knee injury this year and now a groin. and I said "if" he tears an ACL. He should be shut down, he is not healthy

4thand10's picture

He could also tear an ACL walking to his car....life’s a risk. He gets paid to play a season...not conditionally or for draft picks....

KC Mack's picture

Good thing you don't sell insurance. Your family would be left awfully hungry....

HankScorpio's picture

"If he tears an ACL, forget next season too"

If he sits out and it rips a hole in the locker room, forget about the next several seasons, no matter who is healthy or not. There are people one hell of a lot more knowledgeable about what makes a successful football team than anyone on this board that think the locker room is one of the most important parts of a team. I mean people that have constructed NFL championship teams and played on them. I dare say nobody posting comments here can make either claim.

It's the difference between playing a game on paper and actually playing it. The risk of physical injury may seem like the greatest risk. But you cannot possibly predict what will happen inside the locker room if Rodgers is wrapped in bubble wrap and placed on the sidelines while the rest of the team is asked to face the same injury risk that is too much when it comes to Rodgers. And that potential damage in the locker room is a far bigger risk that can do far more long-term damage, IMO.

pacman's picture

If anything is really injured, AR should not play. If not, getting snaps with new WR's could be useful. Does that mean we shut down Adams? He would probably not be happy about that.

Equally important is to give real snaps to Kizer.

OTOH, Jets and Lions don't want to win either.

Lare's picture

Finally, someone who makes sense.

Since '61's picture

Hallelujah!!! Thanks, Since '61

carlos's picture

That’s funny Pac-Man. You’re maybe right. Those teams may want to tank. Maybe they can throw the ball to each other and get a record for most pics in a game.

flackcatcher's picture

Duh, of he's going to play. He is a professional football player. Now should he play is something else all together. My guess is he starts then is pulled somewhere in the second quarter. Whatever one thinks of Aaron Rodgers, he is not going to let his teammates down on the field.

Since '61's picture

Exactly flak catcher. These posters here have gotten so bad and they hate Rodgers so much it's now Rodgers fault and a bad thing that he wants to play and be with his team mates. This is beyond pathetic.
Thanks, Since '61

Lare's picture

It's always the same few anti-Rodgers posters, I'm guessing many of which are actually Vikings fans. Real fans don't hate the team they're posting about.

flackcatcher's picture

Yeah guys, I stayed out this one. All and all it was pretty obvious. Aaron Rodgers is a athlete, this is what he does. You might as well ask him to stop breathing. This anti Rodgers stuff is all pretty silly and the personal attacks are well, petty. It's all OK to point out play on the field (done more of that myself this season than ever) but this veering into conspiracy land is going too far.

Bo Hunter's picture

I have no interest in seeing Kizer play, we know he sucks! I want to see what Boyle can do.
Thanks, Bo Hunter

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

I think that is unfair!

He is what 21 or 22 for gawd sake and first year with the Pack?

He needs to play and his play along with next year will go a long way in determining his future. Wow!

barutanseijin's picture

The thing is, he showed no development in his appearances this year. He looked like the same QN we saw in Cleveland last year.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

In limited play with rookie WRs as he is learning new offense.

I have no idea if he will pan out but every draft you hear you can not judge a draft for 3 years. Give the guy a break! Plus, the average rookie is usually about 23 or 24 when they enter the league meaning if given 3 years to evaluate they will be 26 or 27 years old. Kizer will only be 24 years after 3 years in the league.

Thebearsstillsuck's picture

I do not want the NFL to turn into the NBA. Fans pay to go to the games, they deserve to get what they paid for. I don't think winning the next game or 2 is going to be the difference between us winning it all next year or having a repeat of the last 2. Football is supposed to be about momentum, experience, teamwork, ect. I think winning a couple of games for the young guys could be just as impactful as picking 5 selections higher in next years draft. The draft alone is not going to make us win in 2019. I'd like to see Rodgers play more in the preseason as well.

Lare's picture

I agree, nice post.

dobber's picture

He'll have to play more next preseason if they install a new offense.

Put him out there and let him play.

4thand1's picture

Last preseason was typical Mike M, afraid of his meal ticket getting hurt so he didn't even suit up a couple of times.

Since '61's picture

Good job!! Nice post. Thanks, Since '61

Dash Riprock's picture

Let me ask you this all you self righteous "play Rodgers hell or high water because he's a professional and they should play no matter what if they are healthy" blah blah blah. Why is it ok to sit a team's starting qb and other players two sometimes three games at the end of a season to "save" them for the playoffs because they wrapped up the division in week 13? Are not the fans who pay good money entitled to see the stars play in meaningless games in those final two or three weeks? So you are all ok with sitting your star qb in a meaningless game at the end of the season but only if they are playoff bound but you guys are not ok with sitting a star qb in a meaningless game if they are not playoff bound? Yeah, I can see your point. It makes total sense to me now.

Thebearsstillsuck's picture

OK, I'll bite. I can't think of an example where teams started resting players after week 13,but I honestly didn't spend a lot of time looking. I'm going to guess the number is zero. And no, I'm not a fan of resting players. It's football. You can get hurt anytime. Some guys get destroyed over the middle, get up, make a first down motion and walk back to the huddle. Some guys suffer career ending injuries untouched.

I also don't believe that there is nothing left to play for.

4thand10's picture

I agree.

Dash Riprock's picture

"I can't think of an example where teams started resting players after week 13"

The fact you can't think is not my problem. Try Denver 1996. One of the greatest teams ever to get their asses upset by Mark Brunell and Jacksonville at Denver. They were better that year than the year later where they beat Green Bay in the super bowl. They sat all their players for two to three weeks because they were dominant with Elway and TD. Thank God we got lucky and got New England that year.

LeotisHarris's picture

Listen to your old uncle Dash, kids. January 1, 2012 I watched Matt Flynn start at Lambeau to face the Lions in the last regular season game. Arron Rodgers did not play because the Packers didn't want to risk injury heading into the playoffs.

Why do those of you who don't want to sit Aaron still beat your wives, and hate the troops?

Thebearsstillsuck's picture

Yeah, imagine if Rodgers had played that week 17 game. We might have gotten destroyed at home in the playoffs. Oh wait, never mind. You probably just made the best case of all time for not resting players

dobber's picture

As was made with the Denver Broncos example above.

Every time a high seed makes a first-game playoff exit, the question always is: did they hurt themselves by resting their players? Players don't like too much time off. Yes, they welcome the rest, but people also are creatures of habit and routine. Players like their routines. Yet another reason why TNF and Saturday games are bad for the NFL.

KC Mack's picture

Dr Riprock is correct. The NFL is a multi-billion dollar business. If the team were wise, they would take AR (who is dealing with injuries) and shut him down for the season. There is one home game left, and nothing to play for but paychecks & job opportunities for next season (did I mention draft position?). True fans of the team realize this. We won't give 2 shites about these last 2 games. They mean as much as the 4th preseason game. Not much. True fans can also be critical of AR's leadership "issues", his inability to pull the trigger in key moments, his failings on 3rd down and his lack of accuracy this season, and still be fans of his amazing talent. It's not being "disloyal" to point out that your QB has not looked or acted like himself this year. Perspective's a bee-atch....

Dash Riprock's picture

Excellent comments KC Mack. No need to call me Dr. Riprock but you are spot on. I am also looking at this mostly from the business side. It's not just about wins and losses but many fans actually believe it is.

LeotisHarris's picture

Seems the "Dr Riprock" incident has followed you to the Board, Dash. A lot of people are saying it was a long time ago, you were young and foolish etc. I'm sure the statue of limitations is in your favor, but I'm curious. Are you still banned from all Bellin properties?

Mojo's picture

Actually Dash makes a solid point. Teams that make the playoffs and have no positioning to play for rest star players all the time.

In a sense they're hoping to put themselves in the best possible shape injury wise to win the next game. That's why star players sit out much of preseason too. The teams are looking to the future, not meaningless games.

The Packers currently have a talent deficiency. They need replacements at nearly every position group. The draft is the best way to find those replacements. I would be disappointed if the Pack had to package, lets say, their NO pick to move up 5 spots they would have had if they lost these last two games. Plus, it's not just the first round. They would move down in EVERY round thereafter.

I think Dash lost a lot of people because they see him as attacking ARod. Personally, I'm fine with ARod as QB1 next year. If they go in a different direction you're talking a complete rebuild. He needs to clean some things up and I'm glad he's not above criticism unlike in the past , but the Pack's chances of success going forward, IMO, is to surround him with as many quality players as possible. The best way to do that is get as high up in the draft where your chance of getting difference makers is improved.

I've seen the Pack play uninspired boring football for most of two years now. I can stand two more games if it means a better chance in April in obtaining impact players. Since we can comprehend the future better than most creatures our fate is partly left with us. Carpe posterum.

Dash Riprock's picture

I always tell my brother there's only two people I would go to see live in concert if they were still alive. One is Elvis and the other is Jim Morrison and The Doors. You hit it on the head Jim I mean Mojo.

For the record. I love Aaron Rodgers the football player. I feel we need to seriously think of moving him ( I know we can't) but it really upsets me we are locked in with him salary cap wise and we can't do anything for two more years. I don't like when a player controls the team. We saw that with Favre and I see the same damn thing only worse happening with Rodgers. When a player controls a team we don't have a true team. This is where we are.

LeotisHarris's picture

Dash, I liked your post to bring you back to 0 out of respect for our shared admiration of obese rock stars who died in the bathroom.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

LOL!

Hematite's picture

I like that post.
It brought my blood pressure down a few points.

4thand1's picture

If Rodgers starts I'll bet he tries to pad his stats. He knows the whole football world is seeing what we see, and will want to ride off into the sunset of this shithole season. He would want nothing more than to end up with 30 td's and 2 int's and a passer rating over 100.

Lare's picture

Why on earth would Rodgers feel like he needs to pad his stats? He's currently the 6th ranked QB in the NFL this season, has been voted to the Pro Bowl and is the highest paid player in the NFL. The Packers season is over and he's playing through two different injuries.

I know a lot of you hate Rodgers for whatever reason, but at least make some sense if you're going to criticize him.

4thand1's picture

I don't hate AR , in fact just the opposite Lare. He is the Packers only real hope of making them a playoff caliber team capable of winning it all. Maybe I should have worded it differently. I see him trying to win these last two games and playing like an all pro.

dobber's picture

You want to attract the coach of your choice? Get #12 out there and playing well these last two games.

Dash Riprock's picture

What if Rodgers plays like shit the last two games which is very likely. What then? Do they try to coax Les Steckel out of retirement?

dobber's picture

They've already got plenty of film of him playing that way this season. Sit him and you guarantee that's what they'll see...it doesn't make it any better. Let him play.

Les is dusting off his resume...

LeotisHarris's picture

No! No Les Steckel. HIs training camp Iron Man competitions would mess with our proposed light workout protocol, Dash. WTF is wrong with you? We're going with bowling, and calisthenics, remember?

The only throwback coaches I'll consider are a Mike Ditka and MN legend Bad Grunt; and only in a combo role. Ditka could handle the media, and Bad will just look badazz on the sidelines in his shirtsleeved shirts , take away the heaters from these man-babies, and make everyone on the team get a showing-scalp flattop haircuts.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

None of us want to see Roger's hurt even those who are upset with him. I will go out on a limb (because they are very young and inexperienced) and say the Pack may very well with another year of seasoning in Kizer and Boyle have their best 2 back up quarterbacks since the Favre early days.

Time will tell but I at least have reason for optimism. Kizer in his 2nd year and with all of last yars experience is even younger than Boyle in his rookie year.

LeotisHarris's picture

A lot of people are saying Boyle is a deep ball specialist. He throws almost exclusively at night in a secret underground bunker beneath the Titletown District.

Bart_Starred's picture

Personally, I’d like to see a compromise here. No doubt AR wants to play these last two games. Let him play the first half and let Kizer and Boyle play a quarter each—both games. Let Kumerow, J’mon Moore and Tonyan play as much as possible. See what we’ve got. It’s never in my heart to root against us, but the reality is, the higher the draft pick we can get, the better off we can be in the long run. If my calculations are correct, if enough of the teams with worse records than us can win a game or two, we could finish as high as #3 for the draft if we lost out. Probably won’t happen, but come April (or is it May now?) I’d rather be at say #7 or #8 than #11 or #12.

LambeauPlain's picture

Playing to lose and tanking your effort is bad for any profession.

This is the mindset of a loser and it is infectious.

This team needs to win a game. Losing it on purpose is pathetic.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

You DO NOT need to play to lose! I think the answer is you play a number of the young guys who the Pack need to know whether they are the right guys for the team, or not come draft time. These young guys dont give a crap about draft selection. They play for pride and their careers. They will give 100% so it is a win win for the Pack. They play to win but with a number of young inexperienced players to see what they have.

dobber's picture

They're playing two crappy teams with nothing to gain, either. Could be some really crappy, second preseason game type football these last two weeks.

egbertsouse's picture

If Mini-Mike lets Rodgers play in these meaningless games (just to pad his resume, it would appear) he needs to be run out of town sooner than later.

Bart_Starred's picture

Not suggesting we “lose on purpose”. Play the Kumerows, Tonyans, Kizers and Moores. See what they’ve got. I’d much rather use these games in a useful way. These games won’t mean anything if we win. Why not give these guys a shot? To play AR and all the starters for four quarters in an all out attempt to win the game while wasting an opportunity to give these guys some valuable playing time would be the ultimate waste.

LeotisHarris's picture

Wait! Holy crap, we have multiple Kumerow brothers? Tonyans as well? And we got a twofer on the Kizer trade? Tell me more about the Moores, please. This, Is. Exciting.

That Gute truly is a steel-spined, cold-blooded riverboat gambler with the ways he managed to get multiple players with the same name and hide them under the radar all season. Genius! I agree, play the Moores!

Bart_Starred's picture

Yep. They’ve been cloned.

LeotisHarris's picture

Man, science! Who knew?

Bart_Starred's picture

Gutekunst.

flackcatcher's picture

Younger one plays for Whitewater too. Another division 3 power house out of the old WSUC. ( I refuse to use that new wussy name.....:)

mamasboy's picture

Another possibility if AR plays, is if he looks as bad in the next 2 games as he has all year, or maybe worse, will that make some coaching candidates wonder if they'll be dealing with a declining QB with an ever growing ego by taking the job?

Bart_Starred's picture

I wonder if some potential candidates aren’t already of that mindset. I don’t know that him playing partially in the next two games will make that much of a difference in their thinking though. My hope is that the situation will be veiwed this way: AR came into this season coming off surgery and for the better part of a year (last year) not playing at all. There were multiple organizational changes from the top down. He lost his both his QB coach and his BFF (Nelson) with whom he had a dynamic connection with for years. His coach was under extreme scrutiny, and it was evident there was a lot of tension between him and MM. In the end, AR just had an off year (for him). I still think most candidates would relish the opportunity to work with a talent like Aaron Rodgers.

Tundraboy's picture

Got that right.

mamasboy's picture

Legit point made, Bart. I truly hope you're right. They need to hit on the right guy for the new coach.

Bart_Starred's picture

Thanks. Really wish I knew who that was. I’m tending to think we need someone who can bring some stability to the organization, meaning someone with a reasonable amount of NFL experience, as opposed to someone coming from the college ranks who would almost certainly experience some kind of learning curve (assuming no prior NFL experience). We’ve had enough tumult and drama to last us for awhile now. Need to settle things down a bit. If the new coach is more of an offensive-minded guy who is creative and imaginative, i think AR would respect that in him and be able to work well with him. If more of a defensive-minded guy, that’s ok too; so long as the OC had those same attributes. We’ll see.

Coach JV's picture

AR needs to be out there. He absolutely must be.

You see, we may be out of the playoffs, but the games are not meaningless to rookie WR's who need to build chemistry with AR. It does no good for them to build it with Kizer... it MUST be built with the STARTING QB.

Also, Graham needs to build chemistry too.

Sitting AR might protect him from injury and then he hurts himself later working out? It could happen just as easy as getting hurt in a game. So that is a mute point.

Play him... let him develop trust in the rookies for next season. He's a big boy... he can handle those big mean DL on the other side.

Dash Riprock's picture

No offense but you are a JV coach. Why would anyone listen to what you have to say? "Arod absolutely needs to be out there" Coach JV, you're fired!!

Bert's picture

Heck. No reason to get wound up whether AR plays or not. We are 5-8-1 (0-7 on the road) with Rogers as the starter. It's not like beating the Jets is anything automatic just because AR is starting. R-E-L-A-X.

scullyitsme's picture

Rodgers should want to play, no doubt, Philbin should want him to play, no doubt. But sometimes dad( Gute)has to come in and make smart decisions for the bigger picture( franchise). If the pack was 14 and 0 you can bet every last penny Rodgers would be sitting the last two games. He was ok sitting out last year the last two games. He has a knee injury, a groin injury, and maybe more. More than enough excuse to be benched, so bench him. Not because I don’t like Rodgers, but because I like him and want him healthy with the best team(draft pick) possible next year when it means something

Bert's picture

I think Gute should stay out of the decision on who plays. By interfering with his HC on these decisions it will make it that much tougher to find a good HC. Most HCs don't want to work for a GM who interferes with who plays and who doesn't play on Sunday. Best for Gute to bite his lip at stay out of it at this point in time.

dobber's picture

"If the pack was 14 and 0 you can bet every last penny Rodgers would be sitting the last two games. "

If the Packers were 14-0, there would be tremendous pressure on him to play to try to get to 16-0. Case in point: Tom Brady, New England Patriots (coached by the greatest coach of the modern era, if not of all time), 2007.

scullyitsme's picture

Normally your fairly reasonable dobber, but Both you and 61’ are off on this one. The reason I know I’m right is because it’s happened every year in the modern era, and it will happen again this year when playoff seeds are set with a game or two to play. Every Gm, coach, and fan will want to sit players for the future, it’s the smart move, whether that’s the playoffs or next year. I’m sorry some people won’t be able to see Rodgers play the jets. But life is hard, then you die.

dobber's picture

"Normally your fairly reasonable dobber,"

You take that back! ;)

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

Actually, I’d rather the Packers sat Rodgers now than let him sit out so much of the pre-season, when he should be getting on the same page with his receivers. How many slow starts have the Packers had over the years because the offense wasn’t functioning smoothly come Week 1?

HankScorpio's picture

'Every Gm, coach, and fan will want to sit players for the future, it’s the smart move, whether that’s the playoffs or next year"

The injury risk for a playoff game in 1-2 weeks is worlds apart from the injury risk for training camp in 8 months. There are far more things that can affect the former than the latter.

And really, there is plenty of debate over whether it is smart to sit starters while playoff positioning is locked up. There is the school of thought that keeping players sharp outweighs the injury risk. Take the 2011 Packers for example. They were 14-1 and rested Rodgers for the final game to give Matt Flynn a start. They beat the Lions in a classic. After their 1st round bye, they laid an egg at home vs NYG and were 1 and done. The offense had arguably their worst game of the year, chock full of turnovers and being just a little bit off.

It's not nearly as cut and dried as you make it out to be. Not every GM, coach or fan bows to the risk of injury.

scullyitsme's picture

Ok, point taken, how about this? The general consensus the past 50-60 years is to not play your starters in meaningless games. Either to rest for the playoffs or to think about the future. There are tons of guys as we comment going on IR that don’t have to be, and next week there will be plenty of starters sitting at least partial if not all of the games. It’s ok, it’s smart. Personally I’d like to see Rodgers play next week, but that’s not what should happen imo.

dobber's picture

"The general consensus the past 50-60 years is to not play your starters in meaningless games."

But this has only really been SOP for PLAYOFF teams. It's only in recent years that we've seen lousy teams start to scratch their stars at the end of seasons, and even then not that much. Crappy teams have historically played their guys right up 'til the end.

Dash Riprock's picture

Most "crappy teams" don't have a hall of fame qb making 140 million dollars. Just a guess. We are in a unique situation in that regard. The Packers are making some very stupid and risky decisions the past year and most have not paid off. Someone other than Aaron Rodgers needs to set this out of control ship on course. None of this stuff happened under Ted's leadership. I noticed most of the craziness at 1265 has happened after Rodgers signed his blockbuster contract. Coincidence?

HankScorpio's picture

The seeds of this year's disaster were no doubt planted under TT's leadership. He had final say on all football operations. He could have demanded MM fire Capers. Instead, Capers hung around and failed year after year. The organizational response was to devote so much talent acquisition capital on defense that the offense was largely ignored. That left the 2018 offense with a bad o-line with poor depth and little experience among their pass catchers. That's not meant to excuse for Rodgers poor play. But it is no small part of the disaster that is the 2018 season.

HankScorpio's picture

"The general consensus the past 50-60 years is to not play your starters in meaningless games. "

That's a pretty bold statement. I would need some evidence it is true to believe it. I certainly don't accept it as a given. I've seen teams play out the final few weeks in all kinds of ways. I've not examined things very comprehensively at all, so it is just a collection of anecdotes.

But here are two anecdotes to consider from this year's Packers when it comes to playing reserves and putting guys on IR.

The Packers started Lucas Patrick at RG over a healthy Justin McCray. Was McCray benched or rested? I say benched. Bad teams looking at reserves does not mean they are "resting" anyone, necessarily.

Kenny Clark was injured vs Atlanta, inactive vs Chicago and finally placed on IR this week. If they were placing him on IR when he didn't need to be there, why not do it before the Chicago game? It seems more likely to me that he was not healing fast enough to make it reasonable to suggest he could play the final two weeks but if he had healed that fast, he would have played. There is probably a little confirmation bias inherent in that belief, for sure. But that doesn't mean it is wrong.

scullyitsme's picture

I don’t think it’s bold at all, I’d call it obvious, it happens in varying degrees every year, every year, every year. But I’ll I agree to disagree. Seems like he’s playing anyway so it really doesn’t matter.

dobber's picture

"It seems more likely to me that he was not healing fast enough to make it reasonable to suggest he could play the final two weeks but if he had healed that fast, he would have played. "

Or they were facing roster needs at other positions and felt that hedging their bets on whether he'd make it back for Detroit wasn't in the best interest of the team. Sometimes that's why guys land on IR: not because they're going to miss a whole season and not because they're horribly injured, but because of the need of roster flexibility.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

And Lancaster has been a nice player for us so far. Not Kenny Clark but very encouraging. Pettine called Lancaster "near-dominant" just the other day. Maybe some hyperbole, but there was a replacement who isn't terrible available.

Tundraboy's picture

Love to see Rodgers play unless he's hurt. Going to the game and I'd like for my sons to see him play. Doesn't mean they'll win so why not play all the others guys,like Lewis, Tonyan, whoever. Been waiting all season to see what some of the these players can do in a regular season game. Get them experience with Rodgers and turn it over to the backups later.

Gort's picture

"Going to the game and I'd like for my sons to see him play."
That is the key. People like you plunk down your hard earned money to see the $100M man play. It is not preseason where you expect to not see him play. AR is an entertainer. If you go to Broadway, you want to see the star, not the understudy. Let him do his best to entertain the folks in the stadium. If he gets hurt on the field of play, sorry and that sucks. If he gets hurt falling down the stairs at home, sorry and that sucks. The man gets paid to play football. Play him!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I've seen the understudy plenty of times, and no one gave me a refund or a partial refund. I knew the possibility existed when I bought the tickets. When one buys a ticket for the 15th or 16th game of the season, it might be a game with playoff implications (just getting in or seeding) or the team might be out of it.

This is more akin to the band that played sloppily because they were too drunk (bands get reputations for that). They could have performed well, but chose not to do so. Or sometimes the lead singer is too hoarse because the band was greedy and played too many dates too close together. But these aren't perfectly congruent comparisons either since there is a possible benefit to fans in 2019 from the mere probability that these same players are somewhat more likely to be able to play in 2019.

Gort's picture

I understand your points. This Is a catch 22 decision for the Packers. Nobody that posts here would be happy with anything short of another Lombardi Trophy (well nobody except "0808"). If he plays or falls down the stairs at home, I hope he doesn't get hurt.

Tundraboy's picture

Actually I plugged out money with the hopes of seeing a meaningful game so I lost that. At this point I want to see whoever can play, play and whoever can't play,won't.

scullyitsme's picture

I find it odd that most people that want him to play when we suck, would want him benched if we where 14-0 to keep him healthy for the playoffs. This idea that the packers owe the fans and need to play Rodgers would fall flat on its face if it was flipped. The packers owe the fans to bench him for the bigger picture.

Dash Riprock's picture

I said pretty much the exact same thing you did scully. I bet not a single person will respond to you or my comment on this. It will be crickets just watch. The "play Rodgers at all costs crowd" won't respond because it will show they are hypocrites and talking out their asses.

Cubbygold's picture

Same crowd that yelled "pay the man" all offseason. They are thinking in terms of what would be most entertaining this weekend, not what helps produce championships

Jonathan Spader's picture

Cubby I got a ton of crap from the "pay the man crowd" in the offseason. I said that Rodgers didn't look like Rosgers in the Carolina game and before we invest big $ into him we need to make sure he's still the player he used to be.

He wasn't able to carry the Packers in 2018. I don't think the sky is falling and Rodgers is going to continually get worse at a rapid pace. I think Rodgers needs a better supporting cast and Gute has the potential to give him that in 2019 or 2020. I also think Dion Sanders saying the Packers will never win a SB with Rodgers will give Rodgers an extra chip on his shoulder. I'd love to see him Dion skip into the end zone in the SB!

KC Mack's picture

It's hard to see past a nose that's always so bent out of shape...

LeotisHarris's picture

When I was a little boy my parents took me to the circus. I got to bring my friend Kenny along. We snuck into the freak show, and saw 2 hypocrites talking out their asses. Gave me nightmares until I was in my late teens. The bearded lady was pretty cool, but man, those hypocrites freaked me out.

NitschkeFan's picture

Great comment, if home field was secured there would be plenty of angst about letting him start.

I find it truly funny to read the ridiculous comments by otherwise reasonable posters.

Hasn’t anyone ever followed a baseball season? What happens when the rosters expand in September call ups get to play? Where is the mock outrage that the cleanup hitter sits out a few games?

Sure let QB1 play a few series and then get him out of there! I’m on-board with saving Bakh, Linsley, Alexander and anyone else we are counting on for next season. I suspect a few of our current IR players wouldn’t have been placed on the IR if we had been legitimate contenders.

Dash Riprock's picture

Hey Nitschke, glad to see you are on board with the common sense crowd. Many people you would have thought had common sense are showing their true colors on this issue. They are backed in a corner now demanding Rodgers play at all costs in the next two games. lol You can't make this shit up. As you said in baseball it's normal for teams to do this. It's normal in the NFL whether you clinched the playoffs before the season is over or whether you suck (like we do) and you simply want to look at some young players for the following year. We can't do that though because the love for Aaron Rodgers by the insane here demands we play him because "Aaron said he wants to play". Who the hell is in charge on this team. I know who it is but I can't say it. Might get a dislike.

stockholder's picture

Rather see Kizer. But Arron Rodgers should play if he wants too. Jobs are on the line. Cuts will happen. We all know he will throw to Cobb every chance he gets. He's picked as an alternate. The only reason a free Agent will come to Green Bay is because of Arron Rodgers. Plan on picking 18.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

This was a disappointing thread. In my view an excellent argument can be assembled for the notion that all players healthy enough to play should play. I think a very good argument can be made for sitting or significantly limiting the snaps of AR and others. I acknowledge that both arguments have merit.

I don't think anyone tried to marshal all of the arguments pro and con and some posters got quite dogmatic in support of their own conclusion, even resorting to insult.

dobber's picture

Woof.

HankScorpio's picture

Here is another "Pro" argument for playing Rodgers...

If he is set aside because there is too much risk to him, it is the organization sending him a message that he's apart for the riff raff they don't mind exposing to injury risk. He's a special case with different rules. It re-enforces the notion that maybe he should be consulted about his QB coach. And given a voice in personnel decisions. And have veto power over play calls he doesn't like. And all the other ways that Rodgers has been criticized for being a diva or difficult or coach killer or whatever other terms has been used to raise alarm bells that he's growing out of control. If you want him to be a team player, treat him like a member of the team. If you want him to be a special case that is apart from the team, treat him that way. That's an easy call for me. He plays.

It was widely reported that Favre had a private area in the locker room late in his career. He was excused from off season activities. Basically he was treated with kid gloves--like he set the rules for him, not the team set the rules for him. Eventually, he began to believe that. And it blew up in a very messy divorce.

BoCallahan's picture

If AR suffered a severe, even career ending injury JP would have to be lowered over the wall in a basket at night just to get out a live. Here is my take on it all: 1. JP understands what is at stake and has seriously weighed the options for the immediate and long range needs of the team. 2. AR announces that he wants to play (that’s what a leader does - and yes, he is a leader.) 3. DK starts. AR is either benched or put on IR. The decision to play is not AR’s to make. That’s why we have coaches. They are paid to make the difficult decisions. This whole decision process has nothing to do with draft order.

BoCallahan's picture

The tone that these posts took saddens me.

dobber's picture

When was the last time a 3-sentence, 2 tweet blog post generated this much response (and antagonism)?

Although I have to admit that ARod needs to do something about the 'stache. He looks like he should be playing 2B for the 1896 Pirates.

HankScorpio's picture

He kind of reminds me of Roosevelt Peter "Mustache Pete" Drexel.

Tundraboy's picture

Wait til everyone reads Dion Sanders thoughts.

mamasboy's picture

Deon Sanders: "Rogers will NEVER win another Super Bowl with the Packers". Just wanted to let everyone know what his quote was.

LeotisHarris's picture

A lot of people are saying Dash has been reading Deion's thoughts for many many years.

Sometimes the influx of intrusive and uninvited thoughts into the mental stream of one Dash Riprock results in nosebleeds unlike those seen by mortals.

flackcatcher's picture

Rodgers is really getting hammered for his corporate Bro ism these days. (dude, the 80's gone, let it rest in peace......:)

mamasboy's picture

The tone Rogers sometimes takes, saddens me!

HankScorpio's picture

What a shocker. A football player with a well known and intense competitive streak wants to play football.

Wait, that's not at all shocking. Much closer to shocking is how many people want the Packers to play scared. That's a can of worms that is much too deep in a rabbit hole to risk opening, IMO.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

The truth seems to me to be that one can construct very solid arguments both ways. Here's my attempt to see both sides:

1. Some players have bonuses (incentives) for snap counts, yards, etc.
2. Quite a few players have active game bonuses. Most will be active anyway, but someone has to sit if Boyle, for example, is active instead.
3. Davante has a chance to reach 1500+ yards. I suppose that could give him more credibility as elite, leading to getting more PI calls in 2019.
4. Davante isn’t going to get there if our OL is Pankey, Taylor, Patrick, McCray and Light and the QBs are Kizer and Boyle the next two games.
5. Winning begets winning and losing begets losing.
6. How much can you find out about the back-ups if everyone playing is a backup?
7. How much does a young OL learn if he’s playing next to two incompetents? Can he actually pick up bad habits?
8. Player morale/the clubroom.
9. Integrity of the league/team.
10. Fans pay to see good football.
11. Networks pay to televise good football.
12. AR builds trust with WRs.
13. Not much diff. btw drafting 8, 12, or 17th.
14. AR "gets right" & attracts better HC candidate. Dobber
15. Could go 0-2, etc., even with AR playing full time. Scorpio
16. If reps with rookies are needed, better now than next August since recovery time is longer now than in August. Mister Tom.

A. AR, Bakh, Davante, Linsley, Jaire don’t blow out knees, etc., or get their 4th concussion in 26 months.
B. The players who actually play put tape out there and probably will try to win. HHCD mailed in the last two games. There’s a difference?
C. AR received $66.9M in cash in calendar year 2018, almost twice as much as record setter Stafford in 2017 ($34.5M). Need to recoup it.
D. Going 0-2 = a plausible chance for the #6 pick. Could be #3, but probably settles in at 8th or so. [See my comment in BDU’s fanpost.]
E. IDK, Gute ought to be able to do some serious damage with pick number 6, 28 (to 32nd), 38, and 70 plus day three slots.
F. Going 2-0 leads to picking 17th or 18th.
Gute then would have pick number 17, 28 (to 32nd), 49 (we took Spriggs #48), and 81.
G. For those of us who think in terms of tiers, #6 is sometimes in Tier one, what with QBs being over-drafted. Even #7 and #8 can be. Prospects at #38 generally still have a first/second round grade for me. The players at #49 always have straight second round grades.
H. It could be an illusion, but it seems to me there are (a lot?) more good NFL players drafted circa 70 to 72 than #81 to #83.
I. Spriggs with concussion and Bulaga out. What if Bakh or Linsley gets hurt in-game? Do you pull AR out then? If so, why (which pro arguments no longer matter)?
J. Though the article specified AR, I am thinking about injuries to Adams, Bakh, perhaps others, as well.
K. AR threw 4 whole passes in the preseason games. Guess the coaching staff felt that AR could build that trust and timing with the rookies and Graham during practice or Adams, Cobb and GMo would be enough early. Wiscwhip
L. AR plays but looks no different in terms of fundamentals and decision-making. HC candidate wonders just how thick, how in the bubble, how far in denial this QB is. The anti-Dobber argument.

I probably missed some good pro or con arguments. I don't think egos of Coaches or Players or padding stats are good arguments, BTW.

HankScorpio's picture

Using a possible 0-2, 1-1 or 2-0 finish (ie playing for a draft pick) to justify a choice either way is introducing facts not in evidence. Both of the Packers remaining games are match ups of two teams in the bottom 1/3 of the league. Anything can happen.

The Packers got to that point with Rodgers taking snaps. What magic spell was cast that means the previous 14 games are null and void and playing Rodgers is an automatic 2-0 finish? If he keeps missing open pass catchers like he has been missing them, they have a good chance of finishing 0-2. If Kizer and/or Boyle were to step in and not miss as many open pass catchers, they have every chance of finishing 2-0. They are playing really bad teams, after all.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Pro argument #15 added and credited to Hank Scorpio.

I suspect that I'd get near unanimity on this board agreeing with the notion that GB has a significantly better chance of going 2-0 with AR at QB than with Kizer or Boyle. [Except maybe for Dash due to his crush on Boyle.] Still, I added your argument to the pro column since I agree that this GB team can lose to any team in the NFL, particularly on the road, even with AR taking every snap.

Also added #14 (Dobber) and L (the anti-Dobber). Mostly just because I thought it was funny: I would lean towards #14 being more likely to be correct than L. But future results cannot be [placed] in evidence yet.

dobber's picture

The anti-Doober is my arch nemesis.

Every time he thinks he's going to defeat me, he keeps monologuing...

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Oh no! My apologies. It was wholly unintentional. I thought anti-Dobber would be kind of funny on its own.

dobber's picture

I've been called much worse...and that was by my wife before we left for work this morning.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Fixed. I think I got all the doober misspellings switched to Dobber. Darn, I think I capitalized them all. Still, I wonder if I should have left them wrong since you're being such a good sport about it.

The TKstinator's picture

@dobber: Monologuing while also wearing a cape? THAT could be his undoing.

dobber's picture

NO CAPES!!!

Gort's picture

That's Incredible, Mr.?

Dash Riprock's picture

Reynoldo, great points both ways. The money aspect is incredible for some of these players not playing. There is one area that nobody has talked about that probably is the main reason why so many ham and eggers here are crying for Rodgers to play. They have Rodgers on their fantasy football team and need him desperately to play. I would not be surprised in the least. Nothing else makes sense. All the people that want him to play are only thinking of themselves. Shame on you all. Shame shame shame!!

canadapacker's picture

You can call me a ham and egger or other names if we don't agree with you. But looking at your long term likes and dislikes way more people disagree with you than agree with you and that should tell you something.

Dash Riprock's picture

i was doing a Mr. Anderson from Beevis and Butthead impersonation and a little Gomer Pyle in the end. How could you not pick up on that? Oh, that's right, you are from Canada. You are excused.

By the way, you have a higher percentage of dislikes than I do. I'll put my likes up with anyone.

mamasboy's picture

Not much difference between drafting 8th, 12th or 17th?????? Rey. In some drafts that's the difference in getting a star or a worthless pick.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Absolutely, but I've read that argument so I stuck it in there. I think argument E in the don't play AR column suggests that I am drooling over the possibility of picking as high as 6th (in every single round to boot!).

dobber's picture

Tony Mandarich: 2nd overall pick.

mamasboy's picture

Dobber: Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders!!!

Lofton Dickey's picture

I'm sick and tired of Aaron Rodgers wasting the best year of this roster's career.

canadapacker's picture

Dont understand the crap that people are posting. If you can play without doing further damage to your body ( ie Rodgers last year and Cam Newton this year) you go out and play the game. This is not about stats, it is not about tanking or not tanking to get a hire pick, It is not about being o.vertly risk adverse. It is about playing a team game for your fans, for the spectators and for your teammates. Period - case closed - slam down the mike

Dash Riprock's picture

Oh Canada. Just one question for you. How much Molson did you drink before you posted that garbage?

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

Dash,
You make many good points and I enjoy much of what you share but don't get personal! Being a bully on this foum isn't becoming! Having diverse opinions is healthy. Over the years I have been on many forums and there is always a few who want to dominate and over power others if they do not agree with their opinions. These few always ruin the forums.

No matter how strong peoples opinions are on this topic it isn't changing what the Pack decides to do. Most of us know AR will play. My hope is he does not play more than a half game at most these next two weeks to allow Kizer and Boyle playing time. If I was a betting man I am going to say this is the approach the Pack will end up taking. It would be the best for everyone and team. I say this hoping the Pack play hard and competitive but with many of the younger players playing extensively for developmental purposes and for evaluation. Higher draft choices would be nice but I think the Pack can take a middle of the road approach the next two games. This is the best win win proposition IMHO!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Got it. AR plays if he is healthy enough, period. There is no balancing of other factors. Dogmatic. Doesn't matter if Bakh is out, Bulaga, who has a tear in his MCL (that's why he has been out the last two games) and Spriggs (still in concussion protocol) can't go or if more OL gets hurt during the game. Bulaga is practicing on a limited basis.

AR can practice assuming the fetal position early and often. Got it.

HankScorpio's picture

Bulaga and Bakh are both playing this week.

They both missed the same game twice in 2017--week 2 and week 4. In both cases Rodgers not only screwed up the courage to take the field, he actually made it through the game and started the next one.

It wasn't until Bakh and Bulaga both got back on the field that he broke his collarbone in week 6. Maybe he should never play to really limit the risk of injury.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I think that is amusing, but your reply begs the question, Hank. A bunch of commenters suggested that if AR is healthy enough to play, he should and that no other circumstance should factor into that decision. [Or they based their conclusion on leadership, team/league integrity, don't make AR a diva, etc.]

My point is simple: are there circumstances that would dictate otherwise? If Bulaga, Bakh, and Linsley had to exit the game, would you leave AR in the game?

I am actually rather torn about starting AR along with Adams, Bakh and Linsley. The bean-counter is strong in me, but I am also a traditionalist who tries to evolve with the times and trends in the NFL. I also think it is extremely likely that AR plays most of the game, and probably all of it, so this is just an internet debate.

Big gar's picture

Play around for a half kiser for the second half . If are makes any comments ship him to Buffalo

Dash Riprock's picture

Jersey Al, is it possible where you could do some type of poll here where we can all vote on whether to play or sit Rodgers the next two weeks? If you can I would love the see the poll results. Thanks

Dash

dobber's picture

...and what would that accomplish?

Lare's picture

I say do a poll but only let Philbin, Gutekunst and Murphy vote. They're the only ones whose vote matters anyway.

Tundraboy's picture

Generate pages and pages, paragraphs, essays....

Dash Riprock's picture

It would accomplish quite a lot Dobber. It would show that 90% of the people here and elsewhere would be in favor of sitting Rodgers the next two games.

HankScorpio's picture

I do agree that a poll conducted here would show what the participants of the poll here think. Wouldn't you need to poll "elsewhere" to find out what people think there?

Dash Riprock's picture

Nope. Just one poll here. Most fans think alike whether it's here or on another board. That's what sampling polls do. By the way it would for fun and lead to more discussion. It's all about having fun with this.

dobber's picture

If you already know the outcome, why have the poll? ;)

The discussion has happened, regardless of any knowledge of what the prevailing opinion is/was. In fact, I would argue that the discussion was likely richer because people were defending their positions.

Dash Riprock's picture

Because people need to actually see the numbers. You don't believe it Dobber that's why. This poll is for you. You are the guy who said to play Rodgers at all costs. You said so in the beginning. I think you are wrong. I think most people if they were honest could give a damn about these next two games and if sitting Rodgers helps Green Bay move up and have a better chance at getting a superstar player to help them next season and down the road, they are all in. THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE. As for the discussion. This is just the beginning. We have three more years of this because Rodgers is locked in. Ask HankScorpio. He likes to remind everyone of this every chance he gets.

dobber's picture

GREAT! I'm glad you think I'm wrong! What's more: I welcome the opportunity to be wrong! Isn't that what these blogs and commentaries are all about? In the end, though, no fan poll is philosophically going to change my opinion (the operative word) on this. If anything, the poll would be more for you to try to validate your opinion than it would be for me. Just as I wouldn't expect a poll that said 80+% of people thought ARod should play to change your opinion, you shouldn't expect the opposite.

So again: what would the point of the poll be?

"You are the guy who said to play Rodgers at all costs. You said so in the beginning."

No, Dash...those words are all yours.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

Dash and others...you have taken the approach it is all or nothing with AR playing. That is a big part of the problem. It isn't an all or nothing playing thing.

AR will play in these next games period! I think the real question comes down to how much should AR play.

LambeauPlain's picture

Going in to the offseason with two wins under your belt sure helps claw back into the culture of winning. Purposely continuing the culture of losing is very negative.

I do not believe it is good for any professional in any line of work to tank their performance and plan to "lose". You do your best...that is how character and integrity are developed and established.

The players and coaches are all paid handsomely to win football games during the regular season. If they are healthy they should play.

HankScorpio's picture

Year one of MM saw a 4-8 team win their last 4 to finish at 8-8. Year 2 saw them hosting the NFC CG.

Irish_Cheesehead's picture

Wow, interesting how a losing season causes a lot of fans to lose their minds. I hope Rodgers plays and the Packers win their remaining two games. But hey, I'm just a football fan.

HoLeCrap's picture

I wish he would have used the pre season to work with his NEW guys and not sat on the bench as a prima donna. I'm beyond tired of the lets rest the franchise until its time. He did little in pre season, got hurt in game one and lost weeks and weeks of opportunity to get ON THE PAGE with his NEW guys.
Blame him. He could have screamed in pre season like he is now, 'IM PLAYING'. I mean they cal his practice for a reason. Its a little too late unless he wants to pad his own stats.

HoLeCrap's picture

PS I wish these contracts had givebacks. You get the 80 mil if your one or two in the league stat wise and start coughing up the money if you end up middle of the pack. Were paying for past performance not present. Too bad for the owners

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