A Look at the Numbers: Potential Replacements for Dom Capers

Winter has come in Green Bay and along with it, chaos in the Packers organization. However, chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. This is a perfect opportunity for the Packers to win back the North. Dom Capers’ watch has ended which means the Packers will have to elect a new Lord Commander of the defense.

The Packers could turn to coaches that are already part the organization, such as Winston Moss, Joe Whitt Jr. or Darren Perry, but those guys are all just spokes on a wheel. If they truly want to see a dramatic turnaround in their defense, they don’t need to just stop the wheel. They need to break the wheel.

This article is going to look at some of the experienced candidates that might (or should) be considered for the job, and how their defenses performed when they were defensive coordinators. Along with the usual statistics, this piece will rely heavily on Football Outsiders’ DVOA ratings. Here is a short summary of how they calculate these ratings (a longer explanation can be found on their website, Footballoutsiders.com):

“DVOA is a method of evaluating teams, units, or players. It takes every single play during the NFL season and compares each one to a league-average baseline based on situation. DVOA measures not just yardage, but yardage towards a first down: Five yards on third-and-4 are worth more than five yards on first-and-10 and much more than five yards on third-and-12. Red zone plays are worth more than other plays. Performance is also adjusted for the quality of the opponent.”

Since 2011, the Packers average finish in defensive DVOA is 18.43. Their average defensive rankings in the traditional statistics are as follows: (16.6) in points, (20.3) in yards, (17.9) in rushing, (19.6) in passing, and (13) in takeaways. Keep those numbers in mind when you compare them to the following candidates:

James Bettcher

The 39-year old Bettcher took over as Cardinals defensive coordinator in 2015 when Todd Bowles left to go coach the Jets. His three seasons in the position have been a resounding success and he has quickly established himself as one of the best defensive minds in the game today. The Cardinals have ranked inside the top five in defensive DVOA in each of the last three seasons – no other team has accomplished that feat. Bettcher’s defenses have also been inside the top 10 in total yards and rushing yards allowed each season, and their average ranking in pass defense and takeaways is 12.3 and 7.3, respectively. He does have an interview scheduled for the Cardinals head coaching position. If he doesn’t get it, the Packers should try to entice him with a hefty offer.

Rex Ryan

You can’t talk about great defensive minds and not mention Rex Ryan. The former defensive coordinator and head coach officially uses the 3-4 formation, but unofficially employs various formations and is a master at disguising what formation he’s using. In his four seasons as defensive coordinator of the Ravens, his defenses ranked 6th, 1st, 5th, and 2nd in DVOA. His time with the Jets was equally as impressive, but for the purposes of this article, I will only include his stats as defensive coordinator. The Ravens’ average defensive ranking in his four seasons was: (9) in points, (3.5) in yards, (4) in rushing, (11.75) in passing, and (12.5) in takeaways. If the Packers want someone who can get the most out of their talent on defense, they should give Rex a call. His ability to light a fire under his players certainly wouldn’t hurt.

Jack Del Rio

Del Rio has been a head coach for 12 of his last 16 seasons in the NFL, and a defensive coordinator for the other four. His tenure as a head coach of the Jaguars and Raiders has produced mixed results, and he did just get fired by Oakland due to the team’s underwhelming performance in 2017. His time as a defensive coordinator is a different story entirely. In his lone season as Panthers defensive coordinator, their defense went from 21st in DVOA to 3rd, and in his three seasons with the Broncos, their average ranking was 8th. In his four seasons in charge of defenses, his units have finished with average rankings of (11.75) in points, (6.5) in yards, (5) in rushing, (10.75) in passing, and (13.25) in takeaways. It’s a long shot for Del Rio to land a head position for the 2018 season, but he shouldn’t have any trouble finding work as a coordinator.

Vic Fangio

Fangio has been the most commonly linked name to the Packers ever since they fired Dom Capers, and perhaps even before that. The move would be logical, as Fangio knows Capers’ system better than anyone. The 59-year old has been a defensive coordinator for 18 seasons, with most of his success coming in the first two and last seven of them. Although his overall numbers are nothing to write home about, he has had a considerable amount of success in recent years. His defenses ranked inside the top five in DVOA in three of his four seasons with the 49ers. In his three seasons running the Bears defense the unit has gradually improved, going from 31st in DVOA in 2015, to 24th in 2016 and 14th in 2017. While it pales in comparison to his time with the 49ers, it’s worth considering that he had significantly less talent to work with. He has led a top-10 passing defense in six consecutive seasons and his rankings over the last seven seasons are: (10) in points, (8) in yards, (11) in rushing, (7.14) in passing, and (14) in takeaways.

Chuck Pagano

Pagano has the reputation of a “football genius” around the league, but he’s a bit of an unknown as a defensive coordinator. While he has spent many years as a defensive coach, his only season leading a defense was in 2011 with the Ravens. How did their defense perform that season? Well, they were 1st in DVOA, 3rd in points, 3rd in yards, 2nd in rushing, 4th in passing, and 13th in takeaways. You get the sense that he would find a way to get the most out of the Packers talent on defense.

Gus Bradley

Bradley got off to a terrible start as a defensive coordinator in 2009 and 2010 with the Seahawks, with his defense finishing 29th in DVOA in each season. He has had quite the turnaround since then, finishing inside the top 12 in each of his subsequent three seasons as defensive coordinator. In those three seasons (two with the Seahawks, one with the Chargers) he has led his defenses to average rankings of: (3.67) in points, (9.33) in yards, (18.67) in rushing, (3.33) in passing, and (13) in takeaways. He certainly won’t be an easy get for Green Bay, but he’d be well worth the effort.

Paul Guenther

Guenther seems to be a hot commodity, and while the numbers aren’t all that impressive, his defenses have always been tough and gritty. In his four seasons as defensive coordinator of the Bengals, they have only finished inside the top-12 in defensive DVOA once. His units have ranked inside the top-10 in points and passing three times, but their finishes in yards (17), rushing (17), and takeaways (16.25) are all below league averages. The Packers already have the tools in place to be an above average run defense, so bringing in Guenther to fix their pass defense isn’t the worst idea.

Teryl Austin

Austin is another potential Packers candidate who is currently interviewing for head coaching positions elsewhere. The numbers in his four seasons as head of the Lions defense don’t tell the whole story, as he didn’t have a whole lot to work with. The Lions finished 3rd in defensive DVOA in his first season at the helm, but since then they have ranked 16th, 32nd, and 19th. It’s hard to make a strong case for him based solely off stats, though there likely is a reason he is so respected and being coveted for head coaching positions. Over the last four seasons with him leading the defense, Detroit’s average rankings have been: (15) in points, (16.25) in yards, (14) in rushing, (18.5) in passing, and (16) in takeaways.

Mike Nolan

The Nolan-McCarthy connection goes back to their days with the 49ers, where McCarthy served as offensive coordinator under Nolan for one season before accepting the job as Packers head coach. Nolan was considered to be one of the favorites to land this job in 2009, but the Packers ultimately went with Dom Capers. Currently a linebackers coach for the New Orleans Saints, the 58-year old Nolan has been a defensive coordinator for 17 seasons with eight different organizations. He has led six of those teams to at least one season inside the top 12 in DVOA, and has been inside the top 12 in eight of his last ten seasons. During his run as defensive coordinator, his units have ranked as follows: (13.53) in points, (15.82) in yards, (18.06) in rushing, (13.47) in passing, and (12.59) in takeaways.

Greg Williams

Williams is perhaps best known for his role in bountygate, but before that he had the reputation as one of the better defensive minds in the NFL. Williams was considered to be the favorite to land the Packers defensive coordinator job in 2009, but he ultimately chose to accept the position with the Saints. The 59-year old has led five different teams to top-10 finishes in DVOA, though he has also seen four teams end up in the bottom eight. In his 16 seasons running defenses, his units have ranked on average: (14.8) in points, (15) in yards, (11.9) in rushing, (17.8) in passing, and (19.3) in takeaways. There are better options out there.

Steve Spagnuolo

Spags has had a mixed bag of results as a defensive coordinator. He has had three seasons where his defenses have finished in the bottom-10 in DVOA, however he has also overseen three defenses that have ranked inside the top-13. One of those defenses won Super Bowl XLII. The units he has led had average rankings of: (18.67) in points, (19.5) in yards, (19.67) in rushing, (17.83) in passing, and (15.67) in takeaways.

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Another possibility is Bengals LB coach Jim Haslett, who hired McCarthy in 2000 and was under consideration for the job in 2009. The Packers will likely be connected to some inexperienced up-and-comers – such as New England LB coach Brian Flores, Minnesota LB coach Adam Zimmer, and Seattle LB coach Michael Barrow. There isn’t much (or any) data to look at with these coaches, as they have no experience coaching defenses. Some other possible, but unlikely candidates are Texans DC Mike Vrabel, former Browns HC Mike Pettine, former Bears HC John Fox, and Jets OLB coach Kevin Greene.

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Spud Rapids's picture

January 03, 2018 at 03:22 pm

As much as the firing of Dom is overdue have we ever seen a better candidate list in the past 5 years?

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Houndog's picture

January 03, 2018 at 03:34 pm

Yeah, great list, but I think McPuffy blew it when Wade Phillips was available last year. Damn!

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lou's picture

January 04, 2018 at 09:27 am

Houndog, I believe Phillips has been the best and most consistent DC's the last 2 decades and few remember that he was a winning head coach as well at multiple places, the Bill's are rejoicing for getting back to the playoffs, who was the head coach the last time - yes Wade Phillips. I think Lovie Smith should be on the short list as well, who would know better than the Packers as they went against his Bears teams how great his defenses were, they not only expected to stop your offense but expected and believed their defensive would score every game. He was miss cast as a head coach but they should interview him.

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Chris Vachio's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:32 pm

Lovie is a Tampa2 guy, though. We don't have anywhere close to the players to play that kind of defense.

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dobber's picture

January 03, 2018 at 04:44 pm

Agreed.

Excellent work, Elisha!

I think we might be chomping at the bit a little much for a DC. Many of the good ones might be hanging out to see if they get a feeler for HC jobs, or who actually lands HC jobs (in case there are better opportunities). That will draw out the process...

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GBPDAN1's picture

January 03, 2018 at 10:40 pm

Most of these DCs, with their good grades, had a lot better talent to work with then what's currently on our D, especially with the pass rush and secondary. I'm glad TT is out as GM. Obtaining better D talent is paramount (and staying healthy) .

That being said, getting rid of Capers is huge. I'd take any of these candidates over Dom

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ElishaTwerski's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:35 am

There definitely is some talent to work with on this defense. Martinez, Clark, Daniels, Perry, Randall, King, HHCD, and Clay are all talented. They just need a coach who can get the most out of them.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:12 am

Chicken/egg?
Were these guys good coordinators with good metrics because they had good players to work with?
Was it because they did things to make those players good, or at least elevate the quality of the supporting players to allow the good players to do their things?

We've heard here for several years that "with the right players" Dom could put a good defense out there. Many here argue that MM is only considered a very successful HC because he has the best player at the league at football's most important position playing for him. Yet, many report that both Dom and MM are highly regarded in the coaching community for being good at what they do.

How do you separate those things?

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The TKstinator's picture

January 03, 2018 at 09:38 pm

1. Stuff the run
2. Sack the passer
3. Blanket the receivers

When’s my interview for DC?

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Barnacle's picture

January 05, 2018 at 04:31 am

You have great potential. Who would you rather work for? McCarthy or Belichek, Zimmer, etc?

If you are really good, McCarthy probably wouldn’t hire you........your good philosophy would conflict with MMs delusions.

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Barnacle's picture

January 05, 2018 at 04:17 am

A candidate unwise enough to hire on with McCarthy(Murphy....Mr Good guy) probably is weak minded enough to buy into McCarthy’s failed philosophy. We will end up with the most versatile group of defensive football/basketball players in the league and an offense with an MVP QB doing the best he can with versatile offensive players moving left side to right side, receiver to rerunning back and tripping over each other because they did not get their highly versatile fundamentals learned at the bowling alley.

McCarthy is the problem and Murphy should be back in academia.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

January 05, 2018 at 07:19 pm

As long as i dont have to hear the name dom capers and as long as they do not promote any packer coach to be DC, then I am hoping to be happy going into the 2018 season.

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Houndog's picture

January 03, 2018 at 03:31 pm

With Charles Woodson and Al Harris supporting Joe Whitt I'd like to know more about him.
He's been a DBs coach in GB for a long time and that doesn't support much to cheer about, but was it Capers holding him back, or??????
If he (or anyone else) could get either Woodson or Harris to come back as a DB coach I'd be all for that.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 03, 2018 at 07:32 pm

Whitt's track records with individual players is impressive. He developed both Tramon Williams and Sam Shields from UDFA to CBs worthy of mega contracts. He can't take much credit for the development of Harris or Woodson but both were outstanding playing for him. He's Casey Hayward's first NFL coach. The turn-around that he got from Damarious Randall this year was nothing short of remarkable. Davon House developed into a guy that got a fairly nice FA contract under Whitt.

The persistent coverage breakdowns are troubling, for sure. But I do put that on Capers more than Whitt. I'd give Whitt the opportunity to convince me that he could fix those issues (by simplifying coverage and using more man to man).

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ElishaTwerski's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:38 am

Hank, you're right, it is tough to know if the secondary's struggles were Whitt's fault. I'd like to know who's at fault for the Packers playing "press" coverage without even attempting to get a hand on their man.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 04, 2018 at 07:27 am

Another point about Whitt that is to his credit is that he was not afraid to pull a guy and put in someone else. The Randall incident early in the year happened when Randall got yanked for giving up a bad TD. Hawkins was in and out of the rotation all year. Part of that was injury and part of it was performance.

He was only able to use the players he was given but he wasn't afraid to use a different one when someone needed to be pulled.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:08 am

I would argue that the skill set of a coordinator needs to be very different from the skill set of a position coach. It's hard to be considered as a coordinator if you're not at least a decent position coach, but that's not to say that there aren't marginal position coaches out there who couldn't be outstanding coordinators.

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lou's picture

January 04, 2018 at 09:33 am

Elisha, in reference to your "without even attempting to get a hand on their man comment", a sad reply would be Haha in reference to Clinton-Dix, I can't believe it was the same guy wearing #21 this season, here is what Bob McGinn said in rating the Packers vs Lions this week.

Seldom, if ever, in my 39 seasons covering the Green Bay Packers has a player been more deserving of being taken off the field and wasn’t than Ha Ha Clinton-Dix Sunday against the Detroit Lions at Ford Field.

Clinton-Dix, the fourth-year safety, played as though he didn’t want to be in uniform. By conservative count there are half a dozen plays in which he either tried to avoid contact entirely or did everything in his power to minimize it.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2018 at 06:48 am

'He can't take much credit for the development of Harris or Woodson but both were outstanding playing for him.'

While I do agree that they were already great players, Woodson's career turned around in Green Bay. He wasn't a Hall of fame level player until Green Bay. For that I think Whitt gets credit for.

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mnklitzke's picture

January 04, 2018 at 02:09 pm

Firing Capers week 8 and giving a Witt a shot was the way to do that....

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HankScorpio's picture

January 05, 2018 at 05:51 am

It was certainly a missed opportunity to get a sneak preview of an interim DC. If not at that point, certainly for the final 2 weeks after they were eliminated from the playoffs.

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ElishaTwerski's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:36 am

There have been so many instances where great players have supported certain coaches (I.e. Rodgers supporting McAdoo) and those coaches have failed. I'm not sure their endorsement means much.

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Dzehren's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:24 pm

Ed Reed's name is floating around as well.

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Chris Vachio's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:28 pm

Whitt is intriguing. The guy has a lot of things in his favor. He did a lot to help the development of Hyde, Shields, and House.

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zoellner25's picture

January 03, 2018 at 03:48 pm

Wow, that's a long list. I admit intrigue with Rex Ryan, but maybe young blood like Bettcher would work better. Don't forget for all of you that love Jim Leonard, he is a Rex Ryan pupil.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 03, 2018 at 07:32 pm

Please no Rex Ryan. Or any Ryan.

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ElishaTwerski's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:40 am

I'm very intrigued by Rex too, I honestly don't understand all of the hate he gets. If fans want someone who will more likely than not significantly improve the defense, Rex is that guy.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 04, 2018 at 02:40 am

I'm the one who would prefer Packers stay away from Rex Ryan. Not because of his knowledge or capability to prepare good D, but because he is clown. Packers do not need clowns...

If you want somebody who can light the fire under the players, contact Greene and offer him the job. I remember (unclear) that Greene left Packers under some kind of malcontent. I think I was reading malcontent was product of his altercation with Dom Capers. But it might not be true...

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Spock's picture

January 04, 2018 at 02:46 am

Croat, Greene was a good coach at ONE position. He'd be terrible as a DC. I don't get where people think someone who's good at one thing will suddenly be good at everything! It's like getting the guy who makes incredible cakes and putting him in charge of the bakery; what does he know about making bread?

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croatpackfan's picture

January 04, 2018 at 05:41 am

My thoughts are related with the way Greene left Packers. It was something very strange, but I remember reports of malcontent between him and Capers. If that what was happened, that means that Greene was thinking much wider than his responsibility and person with that view would (or should) collect knowledge and wait for opportunity...

I agree that there is no guarantee for him to be good or excellent DC, but even established defensive coaches might be failure in Green Bay, while there were successful somewhere else...

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Since'61's picture

January 03, 2018 at 04:05 pm

I hope that the Packers interview each of these candidates except Rex Ryan. Rex is a media nightmare and a bag of wind. He brings too much baggage. He might improve the defense for a season or two but he will wear out his welcome in about the same time.

I like Bettcher and Jack Del Rio. We'll see. Thanks, Since '61

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dobber's picture

January 03, 2018 at 04:34 pm

I personally would like to see Del Rio, but there's a lot to like on this list. I would put my money on a candidate with previous head coaching experience...

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Hematite's picture

January 03, 2018 at 05:23 pm

I agree, not Rex Ryan!
I hope they pick a young guy with a lot of energy and I want him on the sideline during the game so he has a better feel for what is going on.

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ElishaTwerski's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:43 am

Rex is colorful, but one can argue that the Packers could use some color and fire from their coaches. He lasted for four years in Baltimore, and only left because he was offered a head coaching position with the Jets, where he lasted six seasons.

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Since'61's picture

January 04, 2018 at 10:39 am

Elisha - living in the NY tri-state area I am well aware of Rex Ryan's record. His last 2-3 seasons in NY were basically a clown's act with the MY media. Then he went to Buffalo where he crashed and burned. As I posted he could come to Green Bay and make am impact for 1-2 seasons but at some point it will all be about him since believes that he is bigger than the team or the fans. If he comes to GB that's OK just be prepared for the baggage he comes with. Thanks, Since '61

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nostradanus's picture

January 03, 2018 at 04:07 pm

Butcher would be great, the rest of those dudes are just crappy re-treads. McCarthy has to get this right or he will be the next one out the door. He should have cleaned out the whole Defensive staff and started over.

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nostradanus's picture

January 03, 2018 at 04:07 pm

Bettcher

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Somedumbname's picture

January 03, 2018 at 10:53 pm

You Bettcher!

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Barnacle's picture

January 03, 2018 at 04:09 pm

Hot young prospects would be unwise to work MM.

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January 03, 2018 at 04:12 pm

Spagnuolo has also had some very good defenses over the years as I recall.

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Since'61's picture

January 04, 2018 at 10:41 am

Spags could be a good fit for GB. Thanks, Since'61

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Lphill's picture

January 03, 2018 at 04:21 pm

I think the Packers already know who it is , one deciding factor is that the new D.C. Inherits a offense run by Aaron Rodgers , anyone looking for a Lombardi now is your chance .

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January 03, 2018 at 04:44 pm

Moss and perry? Common. Do we really want guys that say," In the Past we did it this way". I thought they left with Capers. Peppermint schnapps anyone? Bettcher or Pagano are much better choices.

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Coldworld's picture

January 03, 2018 at 05:22 pm

Whitt is the only internal candidate I would even interview.

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January 03, 2018 at 07:11 pm

I would interview James Campen for OC too. He deserves.some recognition.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:04 am

The question is: is Campen more valuable in his current role than he would be in a 'figurehead' OC role? I think the answer is a resounding yes.

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UmpireMark's picture

January 03, 2018 at 04:50 pm

Great list ... thanks!

Can I toss out a name? Remember Dave Aranda? Coached at Wisconsin, left for LSU.

Just one man's opinion ....

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January 03, 2018 at 05:21 pm

I remember the Ravens taking a chance on a ST coach and he lead them to a SB win. An OC was selected to be a HC and he turned the LA Rams into major contender and is considered a genius.
So when the Packer's select their next DC coach....I hope they pick a guy that makes people shake their heads (not in a good way) when they hear his name, but celebrate the SB victory he helps bring them next season.
It will show they went to a lot of trouble to find the right guy for the Packer's defense.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 03, 2018 at 05:25 pm

Winston Moss or Darren Perry

OMG NO!

Perry can't even manage a group of Safeties and what exactly does Winston Moss do? That guy is totally invisible.

I would love to have a 4-3 Under defense like Gus Bradley or Seattle LB coach Mike Barrow could coach. The Packers already have the guys on the roster to do it.

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Bure9620's picture

January 03, 2018 at 05:41 pm

Greg Schiano. Hear me out. They need a fire breather, leave the tudes at the door. He is a no BS hard ass. This defense needs a guy that can get after them. I am even more adamant about this after listening to HHCD in his interview yesterday. He will bring the best out of guys like HHCD, Randall and Daniels and Perry. He would also plant sense of emergency and discomfort in our aging vets. Produce and execute or you sit. Regardless of your contract or draft position. For the young guys, make your opportunities count because they will be few and far between. These guys have gotten WAY too comfortable.

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January 03, 2018 at 07:00 pm

Schiano is a bully and a douchebag. You don't need to abuse people to motivate them.

"Leadership isn't getting people to fall in line behind you, it's getting people to join you."

Steve Tasker

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Bure9620's picture

January 03, 2018 at 07:29 pm

If you ask several of the Packers of the 60s under Lombardi and also those under Holmgren, many players were afraid of them. Primarily afraid to not live up to the expectations those coaches put forth. Players need to have a healthy respect for a coach and Capers did not command it, he wanted to tell them how good they are. Ultimately, you need someone whom commands respect and expects dependability and consequences follow if these expectations are not met. Those defensive players are comfortable, some were even lolligaging and not putting forth effort and refusing to tackle in the final 2 weeks. That would NEVER fly under Lombardi or Holmgren and not Belichik either.

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January 03, 2018 at 08:01 pm

It's commonly agreed that Schiano knew what Jerry Sandusky was doing while he was at Penn St. So if his other behavior isn't bad enough for you, perhaps his probable complicity with the molestation of children makes it clear.

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Bure9620's picture

January 03, 2018 at 08:08 pm

That is not commonly agreed, only some people in Tennessee and some others on blogs. Little unfair to proclaim him complicit with child molestation

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2...

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January 03, 2018 at 09:17 pm

And some assistant coaches under oath in federal court. Given it's a felony I'm sure they did not perjure themselves just for the fun of it.

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January 03, 2018 at 10:01 pm

Right for fun. Probably why the entire prosecution dedicated to uncovering every shred of evidence in this case, thought so little of the single little scrap of hearsay evidence and found it so untrustworthy they did not pursue it. Which means the other coaches purjured themselves and he is complicit. Please don't apply to law school.

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January 04, 2018 at 12:45 am

If they want a fire breather, they should go for Rex.

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January 05, 2018 at 07:14 pm

Absolutely NO

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Coldworld's picture

January 03, 2018 at 05:34 pm

I see ESPN is reporting Bennett and Van Pelt out as OC and QB coach respectively.

Good news that action is being taken on offense too!

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January 03, 2018 at 07:44 pm

I'm not a fan of Gregg Williams.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

January 05, 2018 at 07:22 pm

Me neither.. targeting Brett Favre. That scumbag! !

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Chuck Farley's picture

January 03, 2018 at 07:44 pm

First, a lot of these guys won't take the job. If they are that good they have the film and data to analyze `What do I have to work with coming in ?`If I was a top d coach I may pass knowing there is a lot of deadwood on this team, guys you can't fix, guys who may make you look like capers. Dom didn't exactly have a talent laden d the last few years.
The d lacks play makers, tackling, and speed. Coaching won't change it and one good draft won't either.

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ElishaTwerski's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:46 am

This team definitely has more talent than the level they were playing at.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:02 am

I think that's the most frustrating part. It seemed like they needed to be actively trying to be as bad and disjointed as they looked at times in 2017.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

January 05, 2018 at 07:26 pm

I agree..that's why former packer players are now pro bowlers for other teams.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 03, 2018 at 07:48 pm

Absolutely no Joe Whitt. No Ryan of any sort unless it is Buddy. Vic Fangio is overrated. I'd like to see Del Rio. I think he is tough enough for this group of guys to turn it around. Bettcher will be a HQ, and if not I am not sure he'd be open for a lateral move to the Packers.

But I fear if McC stays on as HC, he'll just bring a 'friend' in. Nolan or Haslett... I shudder even while writing this...

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:01 am

"But I fear if McC stays on as HC, he'll just bring a 'friend' in. Nolan or Haslett... I shudder even while writing this..."

...but ANYONE is better than Dom...

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Barnacle's picture

January 04, 2018 at 03:35 pm

Capers worked for an incompetent head coach. MM is not smart enough to be a head coach. He was lucky to have an MVP QB who ran the offense. Capers, Slocum(Zook) were on their own. STs have been consistently mismanaged, but Capers was okay in spite of working for a moron.

Any selfrespecting DC candidate with a brain will avoid being a MM subordinate.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:51 am

you do seem to know McC.

I certainly hope that this whole shake-up has come with some behind the scenes firm words to McC too.

same ol same ol just wont cut it. get out of your comfort zone and think about WINNING!

He coaches not to lose way too much. Total aggression is stupid, but overly conservative may get you to the playoffs, but without an other-worldly effort by the most talented QB ever it will not get you Championships.

It is time for McC to grow as a HEAD football coach or get out of the way.

He needs to hire competence and get out of the way. Set realistic but lofty goals, provide all the necessary resource to succeed and then institute accountability. Become the administrator of the coaching staff, not the defacto OC and traveling band-aid he was.

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lambeau66's picture

January 03, 2018 at 08:52 pm

where is Mike Singletary?

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Johnblood27's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:53 am

Im sure he is dropping trou somewhere...

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Rossonero's picture

January 03, 2018 at 08:58 pm

Winston Moss is the only internal candidate who is actually qualified now that Mike Trgovac was fired. Personally, I think the Packers will go external with this hire, but they won't hire crazies like Rex Ryan or Bounty Gate Master Gregg Williams.

I really hope they go outside. Leadership has finally recognized that status quo is unacceptable. On that note, Mike McCarthy's stubbornness will ultimately be his undoing. Either he changes in 2018, or he will get fired...and I think he's smart enough to know that. The question is, will he change?

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Spock's picture

January 03, 2018 at 10:43 pm

Elisha, going through Game of Thrones withdrawal? I feel your GOT pain, LOL. :) Well, even if we need to "Win back the North" and need a new "Lord Commander" of the defense, I enjoyed your article's breakdown of possible new DC's. I'm not one who watches other NFL teams so I appreciate information like this. Thanks for the breakdown! Winter isn't just coming, it's here.

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ElishaTwerski's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:47 am

Withdrawal might be a bit of an understatement ;)

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 04, 2018 at 01:54 am

That is an impressive list. I could support most of them.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2018 at 07:00 am

James Bettcher -

He would definitely be an intriguing person to bring in.

One of the many reasons why I think he would do well in GB, is because of Josh Jones. He had Deone Bucannon in Arizona, and if would know the best way to use Jones.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 04, 2018 at 07:20 am

If it has been reported, I missed it. Have the Packers conducted any interviews for DC yet?

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:15 am

I haven't seen anything yet.
I do wonder if they are waiting to see who the GM is, and possibly waiting for a couple of guys who have reported to be interviewing for HC jobs. Fangio and Bettcher reportedly have had interviews for HC jobs with their teams.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:34 am

Yeah, I don't think anything really happens until after some of the HC vacancies start to fill.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2018 at 08:47 am

And I think they will probably wait until they get a new GM, especially if the DC comes from outside the organization.

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Chris Vachio's picture

January 04, 2018 at 12:59 pm

I never see anyone mention Perry Fewell (now DB coach for Jacksonville), but he ran some solid defenses in New York as a DC and his units have always been pretty solid wherever he has been.

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BradHTX's picture

January 04, 2018 at 06:53 pm

Can we please start a petition for the Packers to officially make the position title Lord Commander of the Defense?

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

January 05, 2018 at 07:13 pm

They will pick worthless Darren Perry.

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txike's picture

January 05, 2018 at 07:18 pm

How about Kevin Greene, he knows the players and could bring the energy needed to improve the Packers defense.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

January 05, 2018 at 07:25 pm

People thought the same thing when Mike Singletary became the 49ers coach and he got fired. Toughness and enthusiasm is great but it only gets you only so far. You get more respect by being an excellent coach.

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