Trading Out of Round 1 Still Makes Sense
This year's draft class is loaded with talent at positions of need for the Green Bay Packers, meaning, trading out of Round 1 still makes a lot of sense.
By Paul_Bretl
Back in February, shortly after the season had ended, I discussed the value of the Green Bay Packers trading down, which as well know, goes against the grain for Brian Gutekunst. In each of his three drafts as GM, he has been aggressive, trading up and getting his guy in the first round.
And perhaps he still will. But given the Green Bay Packers positional needs along with where the talent is in this year's draft class, moving back and adding an additional third or fourth-round pick may make more sense than moving up or even staying put.
I believe it's safe to say that most would agree that the Green Bay Packers' two biggest positional needs are cornerback and offensive tackle--or they are at least near the top of the to-do list. Green Bay needs to find an early contributor at cornerback but they also need to reshape that entire unit, with Jaire Alexander being the only player currently on the roster that we know will be on the team in 2022.
Meanwhile, the offensive tackle depth is extremely thin, and while finding a Day 1 starter would be great, at a minimum, the Packers need a swing tackle for 2021, and hopefully, that player becomes their future right tackle moving forward.
Well, the good news for the Packers is that those are two of the deepest position groups in this class. According to Field Yates of ESPN, 27 (16 CBs and 11 OTs) of the consensus top-100 prospects are either cornerbacks or offensive tackles--ranking as the second and third most by position group.
And what position group has the most top-100 players, you ask? Wide receiver with 17 players making the list, and that just so happens to be another need for Green Bay to address. The Packers had the NFL's top-scoring offense in 2020, but giving Aaron Rodgers and Matt LaFleur another weapon is never a bad thing. On top of that, with no receivers under contract beyond 2021, Gutey needs to plan ahead--which is something that he's done in previous drafts.
So my point with all of this is that three of Green Bay's biggest positional needs entering this year's draft are loaded with talent. And that gives them more flexibility at pick 29--something that every team desires in the draft.
This affords Green Bay the ability to move out of Round 1, where they are still likely to land a starting-caliber player at a position of need with their first selection. Additionally, this also gives the Packers another selection within the first three or four rounds of the draft, which typically, will provide them with some quality depth right away and that rookie should have the potential to see meaningful snaps and contribute immediately.
Oftentimes in the draft, GMs have to decide between finding immediate help or planning for the future. But given the quality of player at positions of need for Green Bay, Gutey doesn't have to sacrifice either with a trade back. They can still land immediate help while adding an additional pick, which could go towards more even help in 2021 or choose to address the depth at positions like linebacker and safety.
With all of that said, the biggest variable in all of this is how the board falls. If your guy is available when your on the clock, you take him. It's that simple.
But for a Packers team that is running back pretty much the same roster from a year ago, their biggest infusion of outside talent is going to come from the draft. Trading back would give them six picks within the first four rounds, allowing them to add some immediate help to a team that is looking to make another Super Bowl push, and doing so without losing out on high-end talent early on.
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Comments (74)
packerbackerjim
April 19, 2021 at 11:15 am
The probability Gute moves down versus up depends on whether his target(s) drop to within sniffing distance where a 4th plus swap of the 1s can swing the deal. For the Packers, the value is in the 2nd round where the talent and need is closely bunched across a variety of positions. It wouldn’t surprise me if Gute ends up with no 4th round picks. Should be interesting no matter how it plays out.
Packer_Fan
April 19, 2021 at 11:51 am
Here is my take on the draft. Multiple selections for CB, WR and OT. For all those positions need to be restocked. I see CB or DL in the first few rounds. Especially at CB for if they choose CB for first pick, there is a good chance he will replace either KIng or Sullivan before the season ends. OT is for the future for the starting five are already on the roster, even if Bahk can't go right away. I see a ILB in the first four rounds with a potential to start right away.
I see MVS making a big jump and will be #2 WR and the future after Adams. And they will have to make a deal with Rodgers to get enough money to pay for the draft and perhaps a veteran FA pickup or two.
I was hoping for an earlier Rodgers deal so they could pick up a good DL or cornerback, but that didn't happen. And who knows why.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2021 at 12:05 pm
Good points. I think Adams is going to get his K reworked this year to get more cap for rookies and UDFAs. And if Aaron has another great year he may be reworked next year when the next cap migraine needs to be addressed.
13TimeChamps
April 19, 2021 at 02:23 pm
"I see MVS making a big jump and will be #2 WR and the future after Adams."
If our future at WR is a guy who only catches half of the passes thrown to him from a HOF QB, we're in trouble.
MVS will never, I repeat NEVER, be a #1receiver in the NFL. A legitimate #2 is unlikely as well. Because of his speed and ability to stretch the field and open up things underneath, he will always have a role, but not as the main go-to guy.
PeteK
April 19, 2021 at 02:59 pm
It seems that way. However, I'm not as certain as you because in the biggest game against a great D, even though Adams took some coverage away, he performed very well.
13TimeChamps
April 19, 2021 at 03:35 pm
Yeah, he had a great playoff game: 7 rec/145yds/2TDs.
Oh wait...that was Jeff Janis in 2015. Point being, one really good game doesn't define your career.
I like MVS. Seems like a great teammate and hard worker. People need to stop expecting him to be something he's not. Like I said, he has a role to play, just not as our "future" at WR.
PeteK
April 19, 2021 at 04:53 pm
I really thought Janis would take off after that game. However, very unfair to compare them since Janis caught only 17 passes and 1 TD in his regular season career even with his one very good season of returning kicks.
Coldworld
April 19, 2021 at 03:29 pm
You mean Adams after 3 years? Ironic isn’t it!
13TimeChamps
April 19, 2021 at 03:52 pm
No irony whatsoever.
I really wish people would stop this ridiculous Adams/MVS analogy.
Adams had a spectacular college career and was drafted in the 2nd round because he was viewed as a polished, complete WR prospect. Yes, he struggled a bit his first couple of years, but the talent was always recognized and finally realized. And he also had to share time/reps with some incredible WR's already on the roster.
MVS had a very mediocre...to be kind...college career, and was a low round draft pick, who was drafted as a total project, purely because of his speed. To compare the two is silly.
Are you seriously suggesting their careers will end up being similar?
13TimeChamps
April 19, 2021 at 05:19 pm
Thumbs down for stating facts, but no rebuttal. Cool...lol
Coldworld
April 19, 2021 at 05:34 pm
I’ve no idea how their careers will go, but I do remember the caterwauling about Adams 50 percent drop rate and abysmal routes after his second year. Even after he took a big step in year 3 he wasn’t good enough to resign per the majority.
I give Adams a huge amount of credit for improving himself far beyond reasonable expectations, but it doesn’t change the fact that there are striking similarities between where they are after 3 years.
I hear MVS is a hard worker, no reason he can’t continue to improve, though It would be against the odds for him to do so to the extent Adams had achieved.
GatorJason
April 20, 2021 at 05:59 pm
Adams was severely handicapped his second year with foot/ankle issues. Majority of us Packer fans wanted the bum gone. Then he got healthy. Then he mastered his technique and footwork while developing a very strong rapport with his QB. The rest is history.
MVS has gotten better every year. He'll never be a Davante Adams but if he can improve his catch %, he'll be solid #3 threat but not someone you can count on to be open on a must make 3rd down play. The first and second round WR picks have the talent to get open and catch the ball when needed. That's what separates them from MVS who is definitely a big gain threat but not quick or twitchy enough to consistently to get open underneath and catch the ball consistently. I am an MVS fan despite his inconsistencies/limitations.
I also like Allen Lazard too. He is a big, physical WR who punishes the opponents secondary. Sometimes I think he gets open just because the secondary doesn't want anything to do with him. MLF takes advantage of these tendencies and always finds a way to get him open even though he is too slow to beat any defender one-on-one if he is being played tight and with proper respect as a receiver. Same goes for big bad Robert Tonyan. Sleep on these guys while focusing on DA or MVS speed and Aaron will make them pay.
They are all weapons with different strengths. Sometimes you need bullets to get contested first down. Sometimes a rocket launcher to get a chunk of yardage over the middle. Sometimes just the threat of bomb down the sideline opens up the field for others who would not pose a big threat if given tight coverage. Fastball, change-up, slider. Keep them guessing and have the operation run with an MVP QB. It makes up for not having a true #2 receiver. (I still would like one.)
13TimeChamps
April 19, 2021 at 06:26 pm
"I give Adams a huge amount of credit for improving himself far beyond reasonable expectations"
Far beyond reasonable expectations? Are you familiar with his college career? In 2013 alone he had 131 receptions and 24 TDs. He was a 2nd round draft pick for a reason. MVS was a 5th round draft pick for a reason.
I'm sorry, and with all due respect, but there are no "striking similarities" between him and MVS.
Coldworld
April 19, 2021 at 06:54 pm
For those who think there is truth in the above, it’s all out there if you google. Facts over fading memories. No point repeating the same information over and over.
Let’s just say that my respect for Adams is heightened by him making weaknesses strengths and fighting through some very tough early seasons.
13TimeChamps
April 19, 2021 at 07:16 pm
In Adams 3rd season he had 75 receptions for 997 yds and 12 TDs with a 62% catch rate.
In MVS's 3rd season.....you know what nevermind. What's the point?
Coldworld
April 20, 2021 at 08:54 am
Yes, I know that 2nd rounder Adams picked up in his third year whereas 5th rounder MVS improved a year later: he’s still behind, but he started further behind in the curve.
The point is that both showed an upward curve and both had route and drop issues. You are the one that insists that the first years define a career and that improvement magically ceases. From that you now not only refuse to accept that MVS may continue his upward curve but deny pretty obvious historical similarities with Adams early development.
I stress, I’m not going to keep arguing the same point, but I will give this one reminder from after Adams 2nd year:
“Going back to 1992, however, numberFire reported in December 2015 that only 17 wide receivers have averaged 11 or fewer yards per reception and a 50% (or worse) catch rate (minimum of 60 targets) in a season. At that point, Davante Adams was on that list of 17 players – and his yards per reception was then fifth worst. He finished the season with a 53.7 catch rate, though his yardage per catch actually fell to 9.7.” Source: totalpackers.com.
As one commenter (I won’t name) at the time; “He’s not fast, he can’t separate from coverage, he can’t win the jump ball and he doesn’t even appear to be a great route runner or pass catcher.”
Compare that with MVS heading into last year (his 3rd I accept) and if you can’t see the parallels, I’m wasting my time. I will leave only one more name withheld pundits’ comment on Adams heading into that year. No, it wasn’t you:
“ The Packers would like Adams to figure it out and ultimately be the No. 3 wideout they had envisioned when they drafted him a couple years ago. However, you can only drop so many balls before the coaching staff and the quarterback start to question you and eventually lose faith.”
Here’s a little statistical comparative prepared by TGR in June 2016:
“Abby - 99 snaps yielding 111 yards (1.12 yards per snap.)
Janis = 128 snaps yielded 123 yards (.96 yards per snap).
Jones - 1045 snaps yielded 890 yards (.85 yards per snap).
Cobb = 1050 snaps yielded 829 yards (.79 yards per snap).
Adams: 763 snaps yielded 483 yards (.63 yds per snap).
Monty: 242 snaps yielded 136 yards (.56 yards per snap).
The winners: Abby and Janis.
The losers; Montgomery and Adams.”
Surprising how many said exactly what you do about MVS about Adams and proclaimed he should be cut for Janis. I could go on, cite Adams apparent self belief issue and other similarities, but it’s pointless. People can go dig for themselves, but if the above doesn’t make you pause for thought nothing will.
PF4L
April 19, 2021 at 07:40 pm
"No point repeating the same information over and over."
Exactly.....that doesn't fly with me!!
Tread carefully...there's a new Sheriff in town.
13TimeChamps
April 19, 2021 at 08:11 pm
Let me try to explain...slowly of course....we're still in the same thread. It's a continuing conversation. Not rehashing stuff over and over through multiple threads. Does that make sense for you? It can be a little complicated I guess.
PF4L
April 19, 2021 at 10:20 pm
Just say no to drugs kids.
13TimeChamps
April 19, 2021 at 08:13 pm
Just got a total appreciation for the song "I shot the sheriff". Not really sure why though...
Coldworld
April 19, 2021 at 06:54 pm
For those who think there is truth in the above, it’s all out there if you google. Facts over fading memories. No point repeating the same information over and over.
Let’s just say that my respect for Adams is heightened by him making weaknesses strengths and fighting through some very tough early seasons.
PF4L
April 19, 2021 at 07:48 pm
The thing MVS has to learn.....
Is that when he runs all out, the moment he turns his head and looks back for the ball, he slows down to a gallop. Thus one of the reasons Rodgers over throws him.
He needs to keep his speed. When he does, then he's a weapon.
I'd like to assume they work on that with him.
13TimeChamps
April 19, 2021 at 07:57 pm
Thanks coach. I'm sure they'll that take that into consideration moving forward.
Not only are you a draft guru....but a coaching one as well. Who knew?
PF4L
April 19, 2021 at 10:17 pm
Who put a nickel in you?
Oppy
April 19, 2021 at 09:36 pm
Lots of people complained about Adams that second year, and third.
Those lots of people are the same lots of people who only look at stats and don't pay attention to the player on the field unless the ball is thrown their way. Those are the same people who don't watch the players practice during the preseason. They're the same people who didn't even know Adams was playing through painful injury most of his second season.
They're also the same people who don't think Adams is a "jump ball" threat in the endzone, because they haven't seen him do it.. even though the man has an insane vertical and body control and maybe the largest catch radius I've seen of any player who wore green and gold.
There's never a shortage of ill-informed opinions on professional athletes.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2021 at 06:03 pm
He's a three guy at best in a couple of years. Two to three route specialist. Cannot break down a CB.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2021 at 12:07 pm
Good article, Paul. You are making a convincing argument for a trade back.
I think the value of a trade back is better than a trade up...the fact Gutey is cap strapped both this year and next and plays for impactful free agents FAs are unlikely....the draft and UDFAs need to be the focus now.
The only way I would trade up is of a true difference maker falls into the low twenties...like a Barmore, Komorah. But it will take both 4ths.
Conversely trading #29 back into the top half of the second will also likely net an additional 3rd.
2-2nd, 3-3rds, 2-4ths...7 picks to skim the cream of talent in those rounds for BAP at OL, LB, DL, CB, WR could deliver quite a haul to shore up the roster and get a starter or two.
But TJ Watt still haunts me during a trade back of yesteryear....
Fubared
April 19, 2021 at 12:07 pm
As Jimmy J once said and I agree, you cant coach 'speed". Someone has it or they dont. X person can get in shape and improve somewhat but if you aint fast your never going to be fast.
The slow and smaller players are in the later rounds. This team needs speed at reciever, speed at linebacker and speed and size at corner. Not finding those types in the later rounds.
I say dump some picks and move up for at least one day one starter who can make a difference. The rest of the picks are just for support.
Moose51
April 19, 2021 at 12:15 pm
Keep round 1 pick and get highest rated on Board DL, CB, or Inside LB. Trade up in round 2 (+ 4th round pick) next highest OL, slot WR, CB on board.
Coldworld
April 19, 2021 at 02:41 pm
Keep it if it makes sense, but trading back makes trading back up more feasible in round 2. No hard and fast rule, because the draft is so unpredictable, but unless there is a clear standout per our board, going back can only help. I think there is a strong chance that we won’t see a standout left at 29 this year, but 8 to 10 very similarly rated players, none of whom are at a position of premium immediate need.
Guam
April 19, 2021 at 03:17 pm
Trading up in round one is too expensive and I would prefer the Pack keep their draft choices this year. Trading back from round one might work if the Board doesn't fall the Pack's way and they can't get a preferred player. However I like your suggestion of trading up in round 2. Not nearly so expensive and the Packers do have lots of Day 3 picks. But only do it for a targeted and preferred player at a position of need (I'm not sure my sanity could stand another "Jordan Love" style pick for the future).
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2021 at 06:12 pm
Move up for Zaven Collins and take care of the ILB position with a guy who can attack the gaps and cover the TEs and RBs. He can attack from the Edge also. Move into the first round twice if he has to do it and get a couple impact players, then bag the OT. Find a speed return guy later and call it a day. Make the moves to get in the Big Game, protect Rodgers and Win it.
Dragon5
April 19, 2021 at 12:23 pm
Interesting new analytical formula on WRs...Devonta Smith & Jaylen Waddle RAS scores absent so they were omitted. Glad to see Eskridge make the top 10.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/4/13/22382436/underrated-wide-re...
Ferrari-Driver
April 20, 2021 at 10:36 am
One factor you didn't mention for a trade back is the impact of the virus which diminished to amount of college games played and tape available to evaluate players, especially in rounds three and later. Having additional picks may enhance our chance of landing one or two contributors. Sure would be nice to hit on a hidden gem like Josh Sitton, TJ Lang or David Bakhtiari with one of those fourth rounders again.
Coldworld
April 19, 2021 at 05:36 pm
We could trade Lowry for a pick ..,
Demon
April 19, 2021 at 07:03 pm
In a year where many quality veterans have been/will be cut for cost savings you think a team will trade a draft pick for Lowery?
I think it would be hard to get a team to trade a ham sandwhich for Lowery. Although Gute was able to get a draft pick for Hundley so I guess anything is possible.
blondy45
April 19, 2021 at 09:42 pm
Not if we can not find any DL help in the early rounds of this year's draft. You do not make your weakest link even weaker with no depth want so ever.
stockholder
April 19, 2021 at 12:49 pm
In 2009- Cm3 cost the packers a 2 and 3 for the 26 th pick and a 5th rd. Gute could use the 2nd and third and go up again. Or he could get his CB trading down. I know that makes sense if you want a CB. And it did when TT took King. But TT shouldn't have , and should have taken Watt. The first round is the only thing that Gute sees. Trading down won't happen. He Will pick a CB and sacrifice Rodgers to the wolves again. Where there is a will, there is a Way. And what I see is Gute covering his butt. So plan on a CB because of that 5th year option. Like I 've been saying. Gute will tear this team to shreds if he follows TTs lead. We've already seen it with Love. And were going to see it with a CB. Trading down just isn't what Gute wants to do.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2021 at 06:03 pm
Yeah, Gutey is a real shredder. 28-8 the last two years assembling one of the best rosters in the NFL to surround and MVP QB.
You judge a draft class in year two or three. And you also judge a GM by the players selected for the 53. You are being unfair to the Gutey led Personnel Team and what team Matt has done with the players he coaches.
packer132
April 19, 2021 at 06:32 pm
Good post Plain. With a new coach and playbook, I would say 28-8 is pretty impressive. Too many negative comments and its always the same people. I am excited for the draft and players who can improve the roster. It will be a fun season with a difficult schedule, and younger guys should improve.
Leatherhead
April 19, 2021 at 12:51 pm
I think if a bonafide corner who could start opposite of Alexander is available at #29, take him.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2021 at 07:59 pm
Where does King play?
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2021 at 02:22 am
King doesn't play.
jannesbjornson
April 20, 2021 at 02:58 pm
Now (i) get it.
Lare
April 19, 2021 at 12:58 pm
My only concern is with numbers. The Packers already have 10 picks, you add in a couple more and they have 12. What twelve players on the current roster are you going to cut to make room for the new guys?
PatrickGB
April 19, 2021 at 02:00 pm
Good point. My first thought was that the team cuts the 12 worst ones. But then how do we know they are really the worst ones in such a short time? It would require some pretty fast appraisal and throw potential out the window.
Coldworld
April 19, 2021 at 05:37 pm
Lowry, EQ, Summers, Burks, Redmond, anyone in the back half of the roster. ... you get better by raising your floor as much as by raising the ceiling. That’s if you don’t use the picks to move around to grab a player or two you would otherwise miss later.
greengold
April 19, 2021 at 02:50 pm
Hmmm. We didn't win anything last year, and lost some key players, including the best C in the NFL.
Here is a list of players we either lost to FA or are not producing as expected:
2 RB: Williams, Ervin
3 OL: Taylor, Linsley, Wagner
3 DL: Lancaster, Lowry, Adams
3 ILB: Kirksey, Burks, Summers
4 CB: King, Jackson, Hollman, Ento
2 S: Greene, Redmond
That is 17 players who left via FA or could readily be turned over with improved talent. Some have been riding the hot tub, while others just aren't panning out, as hard as they may try (Summers, Burks, Lancaster, Lowry, Jackson).
There is plenty of room on this Packers team for players who regularly make themselves available and produce.
dobber
April 19, 2021 at 02:57 pm
Agreed. Some slots opened via FA/contract expirations, and some projects have seen their clock run out. Not everyone deserves to come back. I don't see any problem adding 10 or so rooks to this roster.
Coldworld
April 19, 2021 at 03:31 pm
We don’t have to add all. Late rounders are often PS or cut. The fact is though, if you can improve the competitiveness at depth, you keep the winners and end up better.
packer132
April 19, 2021 at 06:42 pm
I wouldn't worry about two extra players, as there are some hanging by a thread now. You also have the practice squad, and injuries happen. Competition is usually good.
jeremyjjbrown
April 19, 2021 at 01:36 pm
It's impossible to to know what makes sense until we see who's on the board. I'm sure the Packers are preparing for multiple possibilities.
canadapacker
April 19, 2021 at 01:41 pm
I guess and this has been answered before - how many picks does a team need - especially when you pretty well have a roster that is somewhat set. I think that 10 is enough and still have room for the odd free agent. Now if one could get an extra high pick ie a 1 or 2 next season - for a swap from 1 down to 2 - maybe that might be a consideration. I think that we are in a really good spot with the high number of QB's going ahead of us this year to get a real great playmaker. I am hopeful as some of these prognosticators have pointed out - that a really really good interior lineman will be available, Levi Onwuzurike,
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2021 at 06:16 pm
The time for ANY team to enjoy extra picks is when a draft class is deep in positions you need to shore up and acquire depth.
OL, CB, LB, WR draft depth plays directly into the Packers needs this year. Especially a team that cannot afford FAs to fill holes, create depth.
More picks in rounds 2, 3, 4 will get Pack a starter or two and deepen quality depth.
canadapacker
April 19, 2021 at 07:41 pm
Except for the fact that we need to win now and should try to get a plug and play starter and given the number of qbs going early the odds of that is good. So I would favor staying put unless we get an offer we can't refuse. If it's oline sobeit but I want a Dline or ILB whomever grades the best
blondy45
April 19, 2021 at 10:08 pm
We need to win every year. This year is no different from any other. A plug and play starter is not at all a guarantee at picks 21-29! I hope Gute shows more patients, waits to see who is at 29, then makes the smartest choice. It takes two to make a trade. I do not see teams wanting to give up premium picks, especially I hope not the Packers. BPA who hopefully also is a need for the Pack is my hope. The Green Bay Packers are returning the BEST OFFENSE mostly intact from last year. The defense is needing an upgrade, and they are not that bad either.
Before the 2020 draft many could not believe the Pack did not draft any WR's. In 20-20 hindsight they did not need any last year. Many believe the O-line is weak and needs immediate replacements this year. I in foresight believe the O-line will be fine. Develop an OT for the future, YES. There is no need to grab one at the 29th pick. Fix the biggest problem?........... DEFENSE!
canadapacker
April 20, 2021 at 08:59 am
Of course we need to win every year - but this year we are pretty well set up - given last year and given that we brought back almost everyone of consequence except Linsley and the roll at AR is on. And if you have read some of my previous posts, I have believed we need to go defense defense defense - although I am not one who favours TT's approach of always spending top picks on Dbacks. All that being said - We have a whole bunch of teams ahead of us taking according to Kiper 6 taking receivers- 5 taking QB's Pittsburgh taking 1 RB - and 4 teams taking Oline - That leaves us with a top 13 defensive player or a top 5 Olineman. I favor Dline -ILB as the best 5 CB/S are gone. If this is such a receiver heavy draft and you look at first years results - it appears that the best guys - can you say Minnie - came in round 2 not from first round. So the chance of that player being a plug and play is high especially if he is rotating in the Dline /Linebacker area.
jannesbjornson
April 21, 2021 at 05:04 am
Depth like Jackson and Burks?
PatrickGB
April 19, 2021 at 02:03 pm
If the team got ten way underrated sleepers who unexpectedly dropped, it would be the best draft ever!
frankthefork
April 19, 2021 at 02:18 pm
Thanks for listening to me Paul...hell yeah. I see 14 spots up for grabs or room for improvement. Happy to have 10 or more make the team; their less expensive, younger and faster players... who's not up for that cap relief.
Heard on the Radio someone pick up on my whisper weeks ago of AR12 to SF for #3 first rd pick a 2nd and Garoppolo. It's a rumor and thought provoking...I don't think that's enough for me. Like to see some replies on it and not down thumbers. LOL..GPG
Coldworld
April 19, 2021 at 02:46 pm
Would we have to take Garoppolo ... I’d want a first rounder for that alone.
Dragon5
April 19, 2021 at 02:54 pm
GARaroppolo = GARbage Same phonics
He & Derek Carr both in their enemy year, the two QBs bound to disappoint this season.
greengold
April 19, 2021 at 03:43 pm
Garbaggolo.
Guam
April 19, 2021 at 03:07 pm
No thanks. They wouldn't get Trevor Lawrence with the #3; we already have Love so we don't need Garoppolo; and there really isn't a great non-QB player in a position of need to use the #3 on. Pass.
EnemyTerritory
April 19, 2021 at 10:32 pm
Late comment. I’d take the number three pick for the MVP with other picks thrown in. Swap the three for another quality first rounder or two. The Love era is coming sooner rather than later whether a good or bad idea. The MVP will never fetch more in trade
greengold
April 19, 2021 at 03:30 pm
Here are some reasonable/favorable options for the Packers as trading partners:.
JAX offers: #33, 130 and 170 for GB #29
JAX offers: #45 and 65 for GB #29, #173 and #214.
NYJ offers: #34 and 107 for GB #29
ATL offers: #35, 108 and 148 for GB #29 and 214
CIN offers: #38, 111, 149, 190 and 202 for GB #29
NYG offers: #42 and 76 for GB #29, 135 and 214
I think those are the only trade options available to them, outside of ringing up a R1 for next year. Some of those could work. No question.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2021 at 04:35 pm
Just draft me some players who have performed well against top competition, have upside, are competitive, have a mean streak, relatively injury free, and who plays hard till the whistle. Whatever the position I want these type of players, and particularly large bodied players. Some speed at specific positions works too! Bring on the draft!
Dagger
April 19, 2021 at 05:00 pm
I would agree that it indeed is good to trade out of the first into the second round as long as you also get a mid three area pick. Something in the 80 or lower range would be fine.
bjb2012sime
April 19, 2021 at 05:43 pm
I think this really is the way to go. If talent appraisal is that the first 15-20 players are the premium ones and there isn't much difference between those ranked 40-100, then get the most value by trading back. With player evaluation more difficult this year, acquiring draft capital for next year is appealing. That sounds like delayed gratification but if there isn't much difference is talent between the 5 guys drafted staying in the slotted position vs the 5 acquired by moving back, then those 2022 picks are a bonus.
The Profootball Network mock draft simulator with trade options is a fun free way to increase on the job satisfaction..... I was surprised how there didn't seem to be that big a difference in the final talent pool I drafted for the Packers in both scenarios, but the trades back really gave some impressive returns for next year when player evaluation should ostensibly be better. It is always a letdown when the team trades back (especially the King/Biegel parlay) but I could embrace it this year. Gutey, did a light bulb just go off for you?
NorCalPacker685
April 19, 2021 at 05:57 pm
Just draft somebody, ANYBODY, that takes Will Redmond off the field. He has no business playing in the NFL, much less for a team supposedly contending for a super bowl. If we really truly want to have another shot next year, Redmond can’t be on the field in high pressure moments. You can add Dean Lowry to that list too.
Hornungfan
April 19, 2021 at 06:10 pm
I'm thinking the Packers make two or three draft pick trades whereby they end up with no first round pick and three second round picks, in which they draft an OT, CB and WR. After the smoke clears the Packers may end up signing a Sheldon Richardson type DL on a two year deal or something like that.
CoachDino
April 19, 2021 at 06:11 pm
Just an interesting tidbit when it comes to that 5th year team option on 1st rd draft picks. Turns out the new CBA has leveled the playing field a bit as now if a team exercises it the players is paid at the avg of the top 20 players (not sure of that exactly but it some sort of pay formula).
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2021 at 02:39 am
There no longer is a distinction btw top 10 drafted guys and 11-32. Earning a pro bowl increases compensation. Jaire earned about $3M more on his 5th year option with his pro bowl. It moved him up from 5th year $ to transition tag money. Another pro bowl will move him up to franchise tag money.
2020 is Gary's and Savage's last chance to earn a higher 5th year option (the pro bowl has to be earned within the player's first three seasons so the team knows the money involved when it has to decide whether to exercise the 5th year option.
Now, if exercised, year 4 and the 5th year are fully guaranteed.
canadapacker
April 20, 2021 at 06:57 pm
The last comment that I have about trading out of the first round - is that it may make sense because - as they say we are draft rich because of the numbers but capital poor because most are in the later rounds. So getting an extra 2 might make sense from that aspect. But there are two points to that story as well . Firstly as I have said - we will be getting a pretty good player with our current number one (29) - because of the number of teams taking a QB ( 5) ahead of us and the number of teams taking wide receivers ahead of us ( according to the mock drafts). And two one of our real needs Edge rusher and this is a weak draft class here and trading out might lose us a chance to get one of the good ones if they fall. Now CB is supposedly a strong draft class as is Oline so there is that counter argument. But I really want Defense defense defense - however I can see Gute taking an Oline in the first and a receiver in the second and wouldnt that P people off??? - including me - but I guess the BPA is the BPA and if the draft class is weak there - as Favre would say - it is what it is. Now I am still hoping that one of those good Dlinemen or Paye falls to us - because that can really help the Defense if we dont give up 8 yards on first down runs.