The moment Gute kept Grahman, he told you TE wasn't a priority this draft.

Big Hock.
Say it.

I haven't seen a single issue with Hockenson. None, that being said if you have a World beater for a TE....what exactly will that mean to your offense? In ML's offense will it be critical " have to have" position? I really think it will. So his talent will be rated on the same level as the other prospects Green Bay may take. So the conundrum is if a slight drop off exist at that position but a large one at OT or ILB then you might see them pass on TE and grab like rated player in a position of need and scarcity.

Tired of the speculation games. No one knows how the first 11 will fall and no on knows Gute's Big Board or strategy. Enough already, get on with the draft!

I will be really disappointed if packers don't try to get a pass rusher/DL/OL at #12, especially given the history of TEs drafted in first round.

If a QB has all day to throw due to lack of pass rush, or if an OL is a turnstile, it's going to make winning games a lot harder.

Interesting statement there that Hock would have been the #1 TE prospect in each of the last 5 years. I don't know enough to say whether thats true or not, but if it is that changes my perspective for sure.

Too bad his first name isnt Hamilton. Then we could call him Ham Hock.

If Gute sees Hock as the long-term answer at TE then I'm all for drafting him at #12 assuming he is BPA at that point. The resigning of Graham should have no impact on whether we draft a TE high in this draft. In any case, Graham is a short-term solution and the purpose of the draft is to look long-term.

T. J. or not T.J., that is the question.
Well, I don't know, but you do get a receiver and a blocker in one person

TJ Hockenson would be a terrific pick at twelve for a number of reasons:
1) Graham is here only one year . He has slowed down considerably and no longer is the red zone threat he had been in the past.
2) Lewis is a great locker room presence and can provide some blocking but he is also over the hill and sliding down.
3) TJ is like having another lineman to block for Arod.
4) His presence is a 3 down player which could be providing run or pass catching support.
5) He only has had 2 drops in his college career. GREAT hands.
6) He is a superb athlete who is fast enough to go up the middle or across the middle.
7) He will only get better with more time and coaching.
8) He is a plug and play player who could solidify the position for 10 years.
9) How more difficult the Packers were to defense when Cook was their TE. Same could be said for TJ.
10) We could actually have two TE sets with TJ and Graham.
11) a real difference maker on an offense which needs a jumpstart.
12) His presence will make our WR's more productive.
I hope Gutey takes him if he is still there.

Well, a team does need to have a TE. Has anyone ever seen a team play without one?

We, all know Graham better get it right this year or bye bye. Draft Hockenson as end Graham and Lewis can teach the future hall of Famer a few things.

A little known fact. Hockenson can also line up at DE and LB !! So, now you get an offense and defensive player all in one!!

While we cannot know for sure what type of offense the Packers will run this year, it appears likely that TE's will feature much more prominently than they have under MM's tenure. More 12 and 22 personnel looks means that GB needs to have 4 or 5 productive TE's on the roster (including practice squad). The need for a slot is reduced. GB needs to add one of the top 3 rated TE's in this draft in either the first or second round and then double-down with a mid-round developmental prospect. I think that Gutey will need to trade up from 30 to grab his TE, somewhere in the 22 - 25 range, and it will likely be Fant or Smith. I don't relish the capital it will require to trade up, for MLF's offense to reach its potential, I think it's necessary.

From all the mock drafts I have read which I know don't mean as anything, there are 4 teams who might take Hockenson.

1. Jaguars - If I was picking this high I probably would not take Hockenson
2. Buffalo - They need everyone
3. Denver - Needs a QB. Flacco really?
4. Cincinnati - They need everyone

So, it's a slight possibility he falls to #12.

I heard Green Bay was drafting Hock and having him be a two man team. He takes the ball runs around, waits for an opening and heads to the end zone avoiding and running over the other 11 defenders.
Just saying......

To me #12 is a bit too early to select a TE. I would rather take an OL or a DL in that spot especially since we’ve used cap space at our Edge and Safety positions.

At #30 I would jump all over Hock but at #12 I need to see which players we have to choose from before I select a TE. But who knows, Gute just might go for it or trade down a few spots and take him between 15 & 20 if that is where he trades back to.

All speculation at this point. Thanks, Since ‘61

I'm still of the opinion that #12 is a little too high for a TE, but if Gutekunst and LaFleur think that is what is needed for this offense to work I don't have a problem with Hockenson.

Control the LOS, that's the name of the game.

Oliver is better. Burns is better. I take TJ over the ILB’s or OL we’re likely to see available, based on value, but 12 is so high for a TE. That doesn’t seem advisable with our holes and our lack of quality depth to go along with a precarious cap situation next year.

I fear it may happen unless there is a QB run. Of course, there are idiot picks bound to happen, like Detroit trying to conjure their inner Belichik and the Bengals undoubtedly doing something stupid along with Elway. Who knows who tries to move up to 12 or above for a QB? We could be in the catbird seat if Lock is still there at 12.

If they want OL they trade out. It is too high for the ILB there, too. If Oliver and Burns are gone, they ought to trade down. There are a half-dozen really nice OL prospects likely to go (value-wise) 15-50 (Bradbury, Risner, Lindstrom, Williams, Ford, Dillard) and the same at Safety (Savage, Thornhill, Adderley, Gardner-Johnson, Hooker(rising), Rapp).

The real value is in picking up another top-50 pick because this draft is crazy with 2nd round grades IF Burns and Oliver are off the board at 12. I’d even move down a half-dozen spots with Oliver on the board for an extra third. We’d have all the ammo in the world to get back into the second with our 3rd’s and 4th’s. There will be a ton of guys who could play immediately for us in the late first or second at critical positions on the OL and secondary.

With the skills Hockenson would bring to the table for the Packers he would be a great pick at #12. Hockenson is a pretty good blocking TE as well. So he is worthy of a #12 pick. But so are other players that could step in and fill a need. Hockenson may not even make it to the #12 selection, but if he does the Packers should consider taking him at #12. I doubt Graham will be in Green Bay more than one more year. With a good receiving TE the need for a slot receiver is not as crucial. I guess we will see in a few days just what the Packers have in mind.

I love Hockenson and if you asked me 2 weeks ago I would have said take him at #12 and don't look back. He DOES have excellent hands and if you have any doubts about his blocking just pop in his game tapes. He doesn't just block to open a hole, he blocks his man to the whistle sometimes 10 yards downfield.

If Oliver is there and the Packers drafted him I'd be just about as happy. Like TE DT will be a position of need next season and he's one of the best.

If Dillard, Taylor, or Williams is there I'd be happy with either of them. I'm in agreement the Packers MUST protect Rodgers. He IS the QB for the GB Packers for the next 4 or 5 years, and is STILL the #1 reason why the Packers could win a SB even this year or next. Thompson was lucky with some 4th and 5th round picks and was able to build a hell of an O-Line for the first part of Rodgers career. The problem was when it cane to depth, most it was provided by UDFA.

If Gutes board says Hock then great. If it's Oliver, or an O-Lineman or even an Edge player great. Brian Gutekunst has done a damn good job so far considering the roster he took over IMO. In Gute I REALLY trust.

Can’t pass on him if he is there at 12 , he is a game changer in all three aspects , run game , passing game and blocking.

I agree with the post from Lare about control the line of scrimmage, but I am really partial at 12 with the emphasis being on defense.

If the aforementioned doesnt work out I am very intrigued at moving back to around 16 to draft Fant, or Hock (and pick up an extra 3rd round selection) if defensive players the Pack wanted at 12 was not there. My preference is well known for Fant over Hock at TE. Fant would eliminate need for a slot WR or other WR's allowing team to draft several OL and RB's to bolster depth.

At 30 give me BPA at OT, S, LB. With the #44 draft choice, and the extra 3rd round pick for dropping from 12 to 16 in round 1 move up and select Jeffrey Simmons. If Packers are afraid Simmons will go higher than trade 30th and the extra 3rd rounder to go up and aggressively select Simmons allowing Pack keep 44 for BPA at S, OL, or ILB.

Feel strongly Pack should select two OL anywhere starting in round 2 thru 5th round and with the OL already on team they will be in good shape.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

At least at the 12 pick we won't be having to go into hock expending draft capital to get him. He's like getting a twofer anyway, addressing 2 areas of need with one guy, so what the heck get Hock.

Big Hock won't be available anyway at #7.

1 Arizona -QB KYLER MURRAY
2 49ers -DE NICK BOSA
3 Jets -Edge JOSH ALLEN
4 Raiders -DT QUINNEN WILLIAMS
5 Bucs -ILB DEVIN WHITE
6 Giants -DT ED OLIVER
7 Jags -TE TJ HOCKENSON
8 Lions -OL JONAH WILLIAMS
9 Bills -OT JAWAAN TAYLOR
10 Broncos -CB GREEDY WILLIAMS
11 Bengals -ILB DEVIN BUSH

12 PACKERS - WHO would you take in this scenario where the marquis guys we want are gone?

I project neither of those project QBs Drew Lock or Dwayne Haskins goes. The Broncos believe Flacco can win for them and the Giants believe in Eli still.... his last half of the year last year was much better than the first half. He is the same draft class as Rivers & Big Ben, and they're not being rushed out.... I hate Eli, but I am betting they pick a player not the "next" QB.

(Prayers to the Sri Lankans who lost family & friends in the latest attack on Christians around this planet... on Easter on purpose)

From NFL.com full 7-round mock:

» Round 1, No. 12 overall: Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
» Round 1, No. 30 (from Saints): Noah Fant, TE, Iowa
» Round 2, No. 44: Johnathan Abram, S, Mississippi State
» Round 3, No. 75: Trysten Hill, DL, Central Florida
» Round 4, No. 114: Gardner Minshew, QB, Washington State
» Round 4, No. 118 (from Redskins): Michael Deiter, OG, Wisconsin
» Round 5, No. 150: Penny Hart, WR, Georgia State
» Round 6, No. 185: Malik Reed, OLB, Nevada
» Round 6, No. 194 (from Seahawks): Dexter Williams, RB, Notre Dame
» Round 7, No. 226: Jordan Brown, CB, South Dakota State

I don't like not seeing an ILB anywhere. Oren Burks hasn't shown us anything that leads us to believe he can be a good NFL starter.

It all depends on how the draft falls.. who's there.. honestly, if the Packers are going BAP.. by the time #12 comes around, Hock can't be very far from the #1 spot.. I think it's a good chance they take him. Even if Hock is a elite prospect.. I think the value a elite MLB or DE could bring would be more than a elite TE.. basically, I think having a elite player on D with a serviceable TE is better than having a elite TE with a serviceable addition on D.

12. Simmons (second best DL of the draft only behind Williams)
30 Tillary, N Dame
With this two guys the rotation on the DL will be fantastic and next year they could let Mike Daniels walk and maybe Lawry too if the deal is not reasonable.
They wouldn´t need to get Wilkerson back and could put that money into the FS position Tre Boston. still free.
44 OL or WR. I assume that the only top 3 TE available will be Smith, I would like better Risner OL or one of the good WR.
75 OL if was not taken earlier, if Williams (Wisconsin) is available will be a great pick, or Nate Davis (Charlotte) to play G.
114 RB
118 Edge
150 Tracy K LSU. Cut Crosby and get some cap space to rollover for next year

Sternberger in the third or Oliver in the 5th

That is all.

TE is nut a priurity it 12. Get a beeg guoy it 12. OT our DT/DE. Zee-a gu TE our WR it 30. Zee-a TE our WR it 44. Bork Bork Bork!

What the hell did the chef say?

gotta keep your franchise upright ol every time