Time to Sell High on Bakhtiari/Dillon

Packers should be on the lookout for teams looking to make a move before the trade deadline.

We're officially three weeks into the Jordan Love Era in Green Bay and there's a lot to like. Unfortunately, there's also a lot that needs improvement (you're safe this week Joe Barry...barely). But you know what? That's okay because nobody has any real expectations for these 2023 Green Bay Packers outside of 1265 Lombardi Ave. If those 53 guys in the locker room believe a Super Bowl title is imminent great, but to quote a certain trending college football head coach right now, if they're also "about seven to eight dawgs away" that's great too. But like any of the other 31 teams in the league, the focus should always be on getting better each and every day.

This leads me to believe that "getting better" might just mean some addition by way of subtraction. While we're still only 3 weeks into the season, there's definitely been some wake-up calls for some clubs along with some justifying concern from their respective fan bases. This writer's got his own as well after seeing the first two performances of these young Packers out on the gridiron. And while I know I may be called a heretic, and maybe some even worse things that we don't allow on this website, I can't help but feel that the ongoing makeover of this team continues with the jettisoning of OT David Bakhtiari and RB A.J. Dillon.

 

To start with Bakhtiari, he's currently the oldest player on the roster as he turns 32 next week. He's shown that he's got plenty left in the tank but the question is what is the availability of all that talent. Bakhtiari was a scratch in the Packers' 24-25 loss to the Falcons last week due to swelling in his surgically repaired knee. I think it's safe to say that had Bakhtiari played he could have been worth a 1-point swing in the Packers' direction, but who's to say without him playing in the game? Reserve linemen Rasheed Walker and Yosh Nijman played adequately in relief, and I would prefer not to stymy Walker's development; especially for an aging player who may not be available when you really need him to be (Bakhtiari last played in the postseason in 2019). 

But when he is on the field, David Bakhtiari is a premium offensive tackle. For teams who have porous offensive lines, his only being available for about 65% of the season may not necessarily matter. Of course, there have been multiple links to the Jets, and even though General Manager Brian Gutekunst emphasized that Bakhtiari is not available, what I admire most about him is that he's unafraid to correct himself when he finds he's wandered off the beaten path. Even with the converted salary maneuver into a signing bonus, that just means it makes it very, very easy to move Bakhtiari if he had to at only $1.9M; which clears up some cap room for the team's core veterans this offseason. 

Ted Thompson selected Bakhtiari with a 4th Rounder out of Colorado back in 2013, I honestly don't think that's unreasonable compensation today, even at his "advanced age".

 

During the 2020 Draft when I heard A.J. Dillon's name called in the 2nd Round, I mumbled to myself, "welp, LaFleur's got his RB now, bye-bye Aaron Jones." But in my opinion, Dillon has only increased Jones' value on the team. I get that they're two totally different types of runners, but this offense is on a totally different type of time when #33 is lined up in the backfield. For Dillon as a runner, he's appeared to regress every year since 2020, going from 5.3 YPC to 2.6 YPC to date for 2023. He's on an upward tick as a receiver currently(8.3 YPC) but from 2020 - 2022 he's shown regression as well, backsliding from 10.5 YPC to 7.4 YPC. It's a small sample size, but based on the Atlanta game the offense seemed to sputter at times due to the lack of effectiveness in the run game where Dillon dominated the carries. Why preseason sensation Emmanuel Wilson only got 3 carries (I understand he struggled to) to try and get himself going was beyond me.

While the idea of Dillon being able to carry an offense or be a true RB1 may be just hopes and dreams at this point, he still has value to that the right team may want to capitalize on. Multiple marquee RBs have gone down already this year, and I'm sure there'll be more before it's all said and done. Gutekunst has all but said that Dillon is available, especially if it can net him disgruntled RB Johnathan Taylor from the Colts.

Dillon hasn't put up the kind of production that a 2nd Round Pick may normally have for an RB, so his value is really more of a "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" type way. A team that wants a big back who does have soft hands out of the backfield should be aplenty in this league but timing is key here. Either way, I'd love to see a 5th Rounder in return. Gutekunst may settle for a 6th or 7th, because if he lets Dillon walk in Free Agency, then he'll get nothing at all. Or...maybe it's time to give Dillon a William Henderson-type role in Green Bay (one of my favorite Packers of all time honestly)?

 

 

Will Bakhtiari play this week?

Can Dillon turn in a solid game?

We'll need both of them to do just that, as the Saints are a team that isn't to be trifled with; and should battle the Falcons all the way down the stretch for the NFC South title.

 

 

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Joseph has been an avid fan of the Green Bay Packers since 1997, citing an affinity for dairy products during his childhood and his favorite color, green. Born in Jacksonville, FL, Joseph currently is an Active Duty servicemember in the U.S. Armed Forces. Joseph considers himself a lifelong fan of the game of football, competing since his youth well into adulthood. When it comes to the Pack, Joseph is particularly impassioned about the NFL Draft and collegiate scouting process, and will contribute regularly on CHTV.com leading to that year's upcoming Draft. You can follow him on Twitter at @joeyreyallday.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 22, 2023 at 03:21 pm

I can’t believe people want to weaken this years team for some possible future benefit, especially when we could win our division.

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dblbogey's picture

September 22, 2023 at 03:48 pm

Can't believe people think there's a market for a day to day 31 year old highly paid LT or a really average RB with big quads and no bite.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

September 22, 2023 at 05:30 pm

That's what I was thinking . . . why would Dillon be attractive to anyone at this point. I guess unless pro scouts from other teams think the poor run-blocking on the GB line is really contributing to his issues. And #69? How does he even pass a physical for another team if he's not healthy enough to play for GB?

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Bitternotsour's picture

September 22, 2023 at 10:13 pm

I'd just like to see a list of the teams that can be trifled with.

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Coldworld's picture

September 22, 2023 at 03:23 pm

I’m not sure that time hasn’t past. Too much seen and said about the persistence and unpredictability of his availability. If we could get anything now, it’s not from a team who wants a guy to consistently start, which is what you are really referencing, and that’s if we can get him fit to start off with.

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BradHTX's picture

September 22, 2023 at 03:41 pm

My feelings exactly, CW. “Time to sell high”? The time for that is long past with Bakhtiari — why on earth would any team pony up for him at this point, when it’s clear his knee issue is never going to be behind him? The only “sell high” scenario that I can see is trading him for a 7th when the other team doesn’t do their medical due diligence and it turns out the Packers know his career is over.

As for Dillon, as much as I love his personality and commitment to the area, he simply hasn’t shown enough to be sold high to anyone.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 22, 2023 at 04:43 pm

If he can play 12-13 games at a high level there will be teams that have some interest in the off-season. Now? Not so much. Only possibility I could see is if an all in team lost their LT.

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Coldworld's picture

September 22, 2023 at 04:50 pm

Would any GM see Bakh as a solution for multiple games? I doubt it. I’d trade for Nijman before Bakh. Not as good a player, but proven to have kept Rodgers upright and a reasonable chance he will stay healthy. That’s a better bet for a needy team at the deadline unless it’s a game or maybe two gap they seek to cover, for which they won’t play much.

No one is going to trade high for Dillon. We need to sort out the pathetic OL run blocking, get him out if trying to change his run angle (his coach’s idea apparently) or play Wilson and see if he can break out. If we sort him out we need him this year, if we don’t, we won’t get much for him.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

September 22, 2023 at 06:12 pm

Why not both? Get #28 sorted, AND use Wilson more.

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Coldworld's picture

September 23, 2023 at 10:10 am

As long as Jones is healthy I think with our coaches it’s one or the other in reality. The 3 snaps to Wilson was pretty much a joke as an effort to see if he could do anything, despite the fact that he averaged 5yards after his first carry, which was blown up 5 yards behind the line. LaFleur isn’t good at blooding rookies he didn’t immediately anoint. He will need to be forced into it I fear.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

September 22, 2023 at 04:24 pm

I think Joseph it might be easier to sell if we can find a buyer who is high.

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Gravedigger93's picture

September 22, 2023 at 05:11 pm

Ding, ding...comment of the day!

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 22, 2023 at 06:23 pm

"..... if we can find a buyer who is high." It just might work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMDhqdWKdLg

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TKWorldWide's picture

September 22, 2023 at 09:55 pm

As a singer, he makes a pretty meddlesome owner.

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Bitternotsour's picture

September 22, 2023 at 10:27 pm

i was not expecting that...

Jim Irsay is a weird dude, there aren't enough of them in the NFL.

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MooPack's picture

September 22, 2023 at 04:30 pm

Would I be upset if they traded either? No.
Will they? Unlikely.
Would they get anything higher than a 4th? No.

I said before the draft that the OLine is probably the biggest weak point of the offense (safety on D), despite what talking heads, PFFfffftt, and others said. Better than most in pass blocking. Not so in run blocking. Bakh and Jenkins coming back from injuries. Bakh wasn't going to make the entire season. Poor interior line play. And yet this, we were told, was a strength. Newman kept should tell you the talent level is not where it should be. Didn't buy it. Still don't.

I was disappointed they didn't draft an OL, but with the other needs/holes, it's understandable. Both RBs are most likely gone next year. Safety?...well we know. So next year OL, S, and RB are biggest needs so far.

And this doesn't even touch on the coaches. From HC, DC, down to some position groups - meh. Of course they need some more games to prove themselves, but so far not impressed. I know. two games. But these have been poor to middling, one dimensional teams. The OL coaching the last couple of years has especially been lacking. They aren't even putting players in the best positions to succeed or running schemes to play to strengths.

Each game will reveal a bit more. I hope the Saints game is a corner turner. Coaches need to step up their decision making. Players need to step up their play. This is a winnable game.

Back to possible trades...don't see it. This isn't a Super Bowl caliber team. Gains would be minimal, if at all. Look to next year.

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pantz_bURp's picture

September 22, 2023 at 04:53 pm

I am not ready yet to say bye to #28...I want to see how he does in the latter part of the season when the weather turns at Lambeau and how the other RBs fare with more carries (beside #33) before trying to trade him for peanuts.

Regarding #69, unfortunate injury but I would try to come up with a trade that nets us anything. His situation is worse than he is injured and will be out ___ games. I am not sure when the line knows when he will or won't play, but it can upset chemistry and timing with the linemen that can go when they are in limbo.

Just my opinion which is usually SPOT ON. 😁

the Burp obides...,

Go Pack Go!

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pack1487's picture

September 22, 2023 at 04:54 pm

I'm not sure the author knows what selling high actually means. It sure doesn't include trading for a player that has missed significant time over the past few years including meaningful games due to significant injuries and has already missed a game and on track to miss another. The other is a RB with no burst, has trouble staying on his feet, and can't pick up a single yard when it's needed most even though he's the size of a LB.

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Starrbrite's picture

September 22, 2023 at 06:39 pm

Well said!

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vin0770's picture

September 22, 2023 at 05:01 pm

I got crushed during preseason when the question was asked what do with Bak: I said trade him and be happy toget .75 cents on the dollar. He was healthy then but on a punitive contract.

Now? He’s proven he’s still not healthy and on a punitive contract. Who the hell wants that?

Dillon has enough film to see he is what he is and someone is supposed to give an equal pick that he was? Not happening so just ride out the year with him and next year he goes somewhere else. He’s more valuable right where he is than what you’d get.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

September 22, 2023 at 06:16 pm

Same with Bakh, he's more valuable than what we'd get in a trade.

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Qoojo's picture

September 22, 2023 at 05:30 pm

I don't think there are many takers for Bak, unless they didn't want to play him on turf. On the surface, it's looking like he will never fully recover from the surgeries. If AR was still playing, I would suspect that he was trying to get over to the jets.

Dillon I am not ready to give up on. The two stumbles at critical times were bad. Everyone can have a bad game. Part of the problem is blocking.

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Packers1985's picture

September 22, 2023 at 08:23 pm

I dont agree with your take on Dillon. It is not two stumbles this happened last yr too alot if i am not wrong i think atleast in 2-3 occasions he couldn't get 3rd and 1's and/or 4th and 1's... We took that bruising type Rb that high to be able to get those tough yards. If he cant get those then i dont think he is the right answer.

Coming to Bak yes if AR was playing and he sat out then we can clearly assume that he wanted to get over to Jets. Since this happened after that i would give him a pass atleast for Love's sake as we are already down on of of our Pro bowl Olinemen and we cant afford to loose another. More over no one would be willing to trade for 31 yr old Olinemen with some injury concerns. So it's better packer's move on from next yr.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 22, 2023 at 05:41 pm

A year early is better than a year late, and this scenario could have been taken care of with the Jet's deal for Rodgers by trading both there. Sure, GB wouldn't have gotten much more of a haul, but they wouldn't be stuck with availability issue or future salary issues. If everyone here was so enamored with the OLine while Bahkt was out, legitimately, you should still be enamored if he was gone.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

September 22, 2023 at 06:17 pm

Trading Bakh last Spring would not have reduced his cap hit next year.

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fordguy's picture

September 22, 2023 at 09:09 pm

Hey, did you get my message from a couple days ago?

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 22, 2023 at 10:56 pm

No.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 22, 2023 at 11:11 pm

I just found it. I'll put a couple of links here, but I don't know it CHTV allows it.

http://volokit2.com/schedule/
http://roystream.com/c/baseball/mlb
http://tv.worldcupfootball.me/nfl

I can't say how they work on mobiles, or laptops using WIFi or Satellite,Dish. I use a landline internet desktop computer. I never have an issue watching anything. $45 a month Live sports and replays of games, TV, movies whenever I want.

Like I said, I have over 30 different sites, but I'm not posting them here.

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fordguy's picture

September 23, 2023 at 12:11 am

Got em thanks, don't know how we could figure something out privately.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 23, 2023 at 12:25 am

Yeah, it's hard. I don't do any social media, so DM is out. Just reply to my comment and I'll do same.

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fordguy's picture

September 23, 2023 at 01:55 pm

That's why I try some older articles so there won't be as many eyeballs and then we could delete after or do it at the same time then delete.

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fordguy's picture

September 23, 2023 at 02:50 pm

Thanks tried them and not a lot of luck. Jumping from page to page and I got a ad blocker on also. I you want to set a time for me to be here if you have others that I could copy then you could delete? Or do it on a older thread? I need something to give my Mom for my Dad so he can watch the game. My cable is going over the internet so I thought they could register as one of my devices but apparently you have to be within there internet coverage area.

Do you have one that's the simplest of simple ever because she'll have a canary if she thinks it's shady. Or if we set a time I could post my email address and you copy then I'll delete or whatever you think you want to try?

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 23, 2023 at 07:45 pm

It's 5:40 PST here, if you want to post your e-mail I'll check here every 15 mins for your reply.

I just tried these same sites on an Android phone and they worked fine. I can give you time to get it figured out tonight, but tomorrow is out as i'll be watching games. I'll check back at 6:00Pm.

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fordguy's picture

September 23, 2023 at 09:11 pm

Just got your post now

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 23, 2023 at 09:16 pm

OK, I'm here

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fordguy's picture

September 23, 2023 at 09:20 pm

don't ask

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 23, 2023 at 09:21 pm

Sending e-mail

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Guynorge's picture

September 22, 2023 at 05:42 pm

Amen. Value goes down every day after today.

PS. "Nothng for nothing leaves nothing."
BP

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packerfanroy's picture

September 22, 2023 at 06:16 pm

Nobody is trading for Bahktiari. Another poster on another board made a good point about him even passing a physical for his new team. I think Dillon has some value to the Packers as a cold weather runner and in pass protection. Patrick Taylor's P-squad call up limit does make you wonder if the Pack are preparing to move on from Dillon or Taylor though. Taylor seems too necessary in pass pro to just let walk unless Wilson has made massive strides in that area. Then again maybe the Pack bounce Wilson down to the P-squad and elevate Taylor for the rest of the year. If the Packers want Wilson and Taylor on the 53 then Dillon gets traded. If Dillon gets traded then the FO deserves a lot of criticism for making the pick in the first place. You cant spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB in the modern NFL and not have it work out, especially when you are trying to make deep playoff runs. I mean RB is one of the positions that you can find great value in the later rounds more reliably than other positions.

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Packer_Fan's picture

September 22, 2023 at 09:07 pm

They are not going to trade either player.

They didn't add any veteran players like so many writers suggested.

Not a very good article IMHO.

If you want something to talk about? Bak will miss at least 3-4 games due to sore knee. And he will retire after this year. The Pack is trying to squeak one more season out of him and he is trying to play as much as possible.

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Fubared's picture

September 22, 2023 at 09:25 pm

Wishful thinking at best. Dillon has always lacked a slow firt two steps. He needs time to get rolling and in pro ball there is no time. Crap pick by Gutt the genius. I've always liked a two back system with backs having different running styles to confuse the d. But both those backs need to be quick. That's the key.
Thus Dillon isn't going anywhere too slow.....
Bakh brings nothing to the table - a high priced gymph.
Pack are stuck with these two.

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TKWorldWide's picture

September 22, 2023 at 10:01 pm

I think many would argue that his firt two steps are plenty slow.

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Since'61's picture

September 22, 2023 at 09:59 pm

First, no team is trading for Bak unless they have a strong shot at the playoffs and they are desperate for help on their OL. Otherwise teams are going to wait for the Packers to release Bak after this season and pick him up without giving up players or picks if they want to take a chance on him being available to play.

As for Dillon unless he picks it up between now and the trade deadline his value is on the decline.

I don't see either Bak or Dillon being tradable at this point unless their situations improve considerably. Would we expect Gute to trade for either Bak or Dillon at this point?

I think both players are with the Packers for the remainder of this season and then Bak either retires or is released. Dillon will probably try free agency. The Packers could end up with nothing for both players. Fortunately we have the draft picks to find their replacements in 2024. Thanks, Since '61

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marpag1's picture

September 23, 2023 at 01:41 am

The queens just picked up Cam Akers for a pair of unwashed sweatsocks in 2026. Who the hell's giving up anything for Dillion? That's dreamland stuff. Besides, considered as a clear backup player and not a starter, Dillon isn't terrible in that role.

Bakh isn't going to do any better. Get what you can from him, and unless there is some miraculous resurgence, move on next year. You can do that when a guy is already on your roster. But no other team trades anything hoping for a miraculous resurgence.

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Coldworld's picture

September 23, 2023 at 10:17 am

If I could, I’d tell our RB coach to ditch messing with Dillon’s pad level and just tell him to run hard and not think about anything technical. Sometimes, messing with what a guy did naturally to get him to the league can be totally counterproductive. Just let him be Dillon and worry about hitting the creases hard.

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TxFred's picture

September 23, 2023 at 02:12 am

The Pack is stuck with 69. His fat ass paycheck & only grass comment, no team will touch him. Probably should have boxed him up with the AR deal. Damn.
Dillion needs plays for him. MLF has him starting too far back from the line of scrimmage. The OL is not as good as everyone thinks. Their run blocking is terrible. Holes close too soon. MLF insists on running from the gun. Till those changes, just the same old.

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barutanseijin's picture

September 23, 2023 at 09:02 am

Time to sell high on… Dillon? Bakhtiari? Those ships sailed. A long time ago. Apparently you missed the boat.

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CanPackFan's picture

September 23, 2023 at 11:00 am

69 is a warrior but his body is telling him to stop. It's too bad. I agree with many that he might be a pickup for a playoff team with injury issues. Unfortunately, its time for a hard football and business decision to be made in GB.

As for Dillon, its hard to evaluate a guy when this Olne is subpar in the run game and requires a fast, elusive back like Jones. It's not fair - just the way it is. Any Oline that has to start Myers and Newman are not going to run the ball effectively IMHO.

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WD's picture

September 23, 2023 at 11:11 am

I agree with Aaron N. The Packers will do a full assessment of Bakhtiari AFTER the season. Moreover, if he has a really good season his trade value would go up. Same thing with Joe Barry. Too much barking from the pit bulls. We are one and one which puts us tied for first in the division. R-e-l-a-x !

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