Kick the can, or blow it up? Three scenarios for the Packers in 2023

Green Bay is facing a big decision on which direction to go next year.  

One of the most regrettable things about this forgettable season is how little we’ve learned. Yes, it appears the Packers have a legitimate wideout with big-play ability in Christian Watson, though it would be better for all concerned if we slowed our roll in planning his induction to the hall of fame. And starting Monday night — as Romeo Doubs returns from his ankle injury — we might see whether the outside receiver corps will be a fearsome strength again. 

But as the team stares into the murky uncertainty of 2023, there are more big questions than answers, the most obvious of which is at the quarterback position. Green Bay has prohibited Jordan Love from playing significant snaps in games that count, and suggestions that the team knows enough by now about whether he’s the next franchise QB ring hollow. The physical, intellectual and psychological demands of the job in sustained game situations, against high-quality opponents,  cannot be simulated. 

Meanwhile, holes and tissue-thin depth exist across the defense, particularly at safety, linebacker and edge rusher, with no easy alternatives in sight.

With a long list of free agents, little cap space and a 39-year old quarterback, we can imagine the Packers are faced with three overall  options: 

1. Kick the can. This means taking one more shot at getting to the Super Bowl with Rodgers, who for the moment seems to be OK with running it back. The assumption is that Love also returns, with the looming decision on whether to exercise his fifth-year option. The goal would be to bring back as many free agents as possible who are considered core, such as Elgton Jenkins and Allen Lazard, while cutting  (or not re-signing) several players to pay the bills, sign the next draft class and possibly a couple of bargain free agents from the outside. In this scenario, the team would be counting on continued improvement from young players such as the wideouts, Rashan Gary and Zach Tom (Bakhtiari would have to take a big pay cut to stay). And the team would need bounce-back years from players who regressed this year, such as Rasul Douglas and De’Vondre Campbell.

      The big risk here is that assuming Rodgers is healthy in 2023, we still would not know whether Love is the guy, and with no certainty that enough pieces would fall into place to ensure a deep run in the post-season. Meanwhile, unless the Packers get lucky in the upcoming draft, they would be looking at quarterback purgatory after 2023, with pressure to extend Love at something approaching $20 million, after which he is a free agent. He could then be franchise tagged, but suddenly we’re looking at our version of Kirk Cousins (financially speaking.)

2. A hybrid. Rodgers comes back (because it is so expensive for him and the team not to), but other key things change to plug holes and try to improve the overall roster. This would mean trading Love for draft capital and not only cutting Bakhtiari but Aaron Jones and Preston Smith (or Rasul Douglas) as well. Cutting those three frees up nearly $20 million. Very tough, especially losing Jones, who would account for about half those savings. But the reality is that it is easier to find good running backs in late rounds (Jones was a fifth rounder) than most other positions. That money and draft capital could net some impact players at key spots, including edge and tight end, plus a solid journeyman backup QB. Roster depth could actually be improved significantly in the short run, but giving up on Love is a gamble. 

3. Bet on Love. Trade Rodgers for whatever can be gotten and go all in with Love. Get a solid journeyman backup, cut a bunch of other players loose (including Jones) and load up on as much young talent as possible. If Love looks like he did against the Eagles, the Packers will be spending a ton on him but will have their next long-term QB, and will have shed the huge Rodgers contract. If Love is terrible, he walks as a free agent in 2024, and the Packers hope they can use the resulting high draft pick to find their way to a new, young star.

Many details will vary of course, but as I think about the possibilities of each of these scenarios, I find the first to be the least appealing, and the last one to be the least likely. Which leaves some variation of number two to ponder. 

 

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Jonathan Krim grew up in New York but got hooked on the Packers — and on hating the Cowboys — watching the Ice Bowl as a young child.  He blames bouts of unhappiness in his late teens on Dan Devine. A journalist for several decades who now lives in California, he enjoys trafficking in obscure cultural references, lame dad jokes and occasionally preposterous takes. Jonathan is a Packers shareholder, and insists on kraut with his brats. You can follow Jonathan on twitter at @Jkrim.

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Hematite's picture

December 16, 2022 at 06:44 am

I'll take door #3 .
I think that's the best way to move into the future.
There's really no way that the Packers are going to the Super Bowl this year, it's time to move forward.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:03 am

Agreed. Although it's tempting to reject all three doors to see what Jay has in the box.

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Johnblood27's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:30 am

I always go with Carol Merrill and not Jay. Jay always has the Zonk!

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jont's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:00 pm

Carroll Merrill? At least guy on this board is older than me. In high school I wondered if Monty and Carroll....

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Johnblood27's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:18 pm

They did... but it was just a -deal-

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:17 pm

Rogers insured that they can't afford to trade him and he played in GB until he's ready to retire. Look at the cap problems if they try ...

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BAMABADGER's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:28 pm

Door #3 was Monty's Cookie Jar.

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NickPerry's picture

December 16, 2022 at 06:51 am

LOL...Well people who post here regularly know where I stand... TRADE RODGERS!

1.) Kicking the can would be considered IMO just reckless idiotic management. Watching part of last nights 49ers vs Seahawks game all I heard was this system is so QB friendly. It's designed for the QB to get the ball out QUICKLY to his 1st or 2nd read. We SAW that in the 4th quarter of the Eagles game. You could argue Loves stats could have been better had Cobb or Jones hung on to either of those VERY catchable passes by Love. Instead, all season and in the final game of last season against the 49ers we've watched Rodgers IGNORE the open man (Is that you all alone in the middle of the field Allen Lazard) and take a sack or throw a air ball.

Trade Rodgers for what you can get and move on. Not to mention MLF is a wuss who won't stand up to Rodgers. This team gets further and further away from the PURE design of this offense and gets closer to the Divas offense with each game! Since MLF isn't going anywhere lets at least see what the hell we have with Love in this offense the way it's MEANT to be ran.

2.) The Hybrid...Please NO... No offense Jonathon but just no.

3.) Bet on Love...Ding, ding, ding...We have a winner, lets tell the folks what they've won. Lets rip the band-aide NOW and go with Love. His teammates have confidence in him so lets stop the reckless management. This team has got to open their fucking eyes and get their cap under control. Since we're stuck with MLF lets at least see what his offense REALLY looks like when it's played the way it's meant to be played. Remember 2020? All the motion, misdirection? Where is that? Oh yeah, Rodgers doesn't like it...UGH!!!

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Since'75's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:24 am

I'd be interested to see how a trade for Rodgers would actually go down, if it's even possible.
If the Packers did actively try to trade Rodgers, that brings one question to the forefront.
Why did the Packers braintrust give him all that money 10 months ago?
His contract isn't conducive for a trade, period.

One thing that's always discussed is the Rodgers hate for various reasons.
What really should be discussed and rarely is....
Is the total mismanagement of planning for Rodgers departure by drafting Love in 2020.
Then changing that plan to keep Rodgers around while making him the highest paid QB 10 months ago, which essentially put Love on the bench for 4 years.
Hardly part of the original plan when Love was drafted.

Maybe that's what we got when Murphy changed the by-laws giving him final decision over all football operation matters.
Even though Murphy had no previous experience in NFL football operations..ever.
When Murphy promoted Gute to GM, he put training wheels on him, not giving him final say.
Not sure if he ever took them off.

But that is who is making all the final decisions for what i just discussed with the Love/Rodgers situation.

Love did nothing wrong (i would think he'd be pissed) how this is all is going down now, because he got screwed.

Rodgers did nothing wrong. He signed a 3 year 150 million dollar contract that the Packers offered him.
That was a Green Bay Packer decision to offer him that money, not a Rodgers decision.

Its fair to assume the Packers confidence in Love isn't all that high. Because why would the Packers extend Rodgers earlier this year and make Love sit longer?
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One question NickPerry.....
You say that Loves teammates have confidence in him. Maybe they do, i have no way of knowing
I'm just curious how you gathered that information. Are you in the locker room, have you talked to his teammates?
How do you know this?

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Guam's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:41 am

Regarding the issue of Love's teammates having confidence in him, I believe it was Campbell who was quoted as saying Love is better than half the starting quarterbacks in the NFL. And Campbell would be a decent source - Love goes against the #1 defense in practice regularly.

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Since'75's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:01 am

Well.....lol, ok.

Campbell is one player, and as far as his statement of Love being better than half the starting QB's in the league.

The difference between Love and half of those starting QB's, is those starting QB's are starting and playing in real games....not practice.
Call me crazy but i think real games are different than.....red shirt/no hit practice's.

Plus i'm not so sure that Campbell has studied the starting QB's in the league to compare them to Love.
Really?

WOW

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Coldworld's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:59 am

Lazard has also said similar things more recently, though comparing Love to his prior year self rather than explicitly to other QBs.

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stockholder's picture

December 16, 2022 at 11:16 am

Lazard wants money. ( He's not worth the projected 10 mil.) And as long as Rodgers is here. ( Bahk gets his first.)
Watson and Dobbs are the future. Thats just a fact now.

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Since'75's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:13 am

If we're going to believe that Love is better than half the starting QB's.
Are we to believe that 2022 7th round pick Brock Purdy is better than half the starting QB's also?

Purdy is 2-0 in games started.with 4TD's and 0 picks, a rushing TD, 70% completion percentage with a passer rating of 125.

Here's the better question, is 7th round pick Brock Purdy better than Jordan Love?
His numbers say yes.

I'm being sarcastic of course, because i think a QB needs a good season or two to be able to assess his performance.

In the NFL, a player isn't a proven player because of two games, or in Loves case because he went 6 of 9 against the Eagles for 3 minutes.

I mean...C'mon Man!
Lets try to keep it 💯

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Johnblood27's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:36 am

so you criticize a poster for not being in the locker room or having personal conversations with the players then when he gives you very reputable quotes to back his assertions you go off and spout a bunch of hearsay and opinion even more egregious than what you panned.

credibility meter is pegging low.

try again at a later date...

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Since'75's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:17 pm

I'm a realist, he sounded like he knew something, because he said it like he knew something, so i asked him.
I repeat...i asked him a question.

I spout...reality

Thanks for trying to understand.

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Johnblood27's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:17 pm

I appreciate your posts.

I like your pic too.

Take care

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Since'75's picture

December 17, 2022 at 07:57 am

U2 brother....keep keepin on.

Merry Xmas

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 16, 2022 at 11:42 am

I doubt you were complaining during the first 3 years of Rodgers career that he was the next HOFer wasting away on the bench, right?

Rodgers couldn't get on the field with #4 ahead of him but once he did...

I feel the same way about Love. He needs opportunities that so far, have eluded him. He will get his 5th year K and rightfully so, given Rodgers' Farve-like retire/not retiring musings. I see no chance Rodgers will do anything to help the Packers climb out of their dire financial abyss. Love, if nothing else, is a needed insurance policy.

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Since'75's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:15 pm

I was pro Rodgers when Ted drafted him, but i knew we had to play the Favre games. No, i wasn't crying for Rodgers to play, i was biding my team rooting for the Packers until Rodgers got the call.
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Please....Don't try to assume you know what i was, or wasn't doing from 2005-2007.

Because you sound like a GDF.

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Coldworld's picture

December 16, 2022 at 03:38 pm

If Purdy keeps winning he will prove that he is. Brady and Starr (15th round) turned that around for themselves. Results count. Having, I confess, not watched him really, I’ve no idea what Purdy is, but at this rate he deserves more respect than he did a month ago, based purely on results. That’s the thing, real games often tell so much more than practices.

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Since'75's picture

December 17, 2022 at 07:41 am

I did have the opportunity to watch Purdy in both his starts, pretty impressive for a Mr. Irrelevant draft pick.

But you are correct, it has to be proven over time.
A good game(s), a good season can happen.
That doesn't make a superstar, or a career.
Kyler Fackrell had a 10.5 sack season, otherwise he was average or below, at best.

But i say this about Purdy, to be fair...he has a very good surrounding cast. it matters.
At the end of the day it's a team game, and make no mistake, it takes a team, plus.

Championships are won from the top down.

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Guam's picture

December 16, 2022 at 01:12 pm

There is a difference between teammates having confidence in Love (which was the question asked) and whether Love will actually perform well in competition. Both ColdWorld and I cited players who had made public statements supporting Love as testimony that his fellow players have confidence in him.

If you want to challenge those player statements, feel free. However your challenge doesn't change the fact that Packer players have provided public statements of confidence in Love. And I suspect those players are better situated to evaluate Love than you or I are.

BTW, I am not saying Love is the next Packer HOF QB. I was encouraged by the Eagles game, but he needs to play so the Packers can truly find out what they have in Jordan Love.

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Since'75's picture

December 17, 2022 at 07:52 am

My point was that Campbell, isn't the QB authority in the NFL, has he really compared all other QB's to Love to make such a judgement?
Because he played against the #1's in practice?
Love has 80 snaps over 3 years, it would be hard, if not impossible, even for a professional scout to make such a claim.

Did Campbell stand up and say something nice about his teammate....absolutely.

Love had 10 snaps and 6 completions against the Eagles...because of that i've heard the words...HOF....Pro Bowl...franchise.
Based on 10 snaps
Packer fan or not, that's the kind of happy horse .... comments that destroy brain cells.
I can't dumb down enough to read that and take it seriously.

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11Bravo1p's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:57 pm

The best way to answer the question of whether Love ready to be a starting QB in the NFL is to start Love at QB for the rest of the season. Love has a lot of talent, but needs experience.

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Oppy's picture

December 17, 2022 at 01:55 am

"...Is the total mismanagement of planning for Rodgers departure by drafting Love in 2020."

This is what some people get 100% wrong.

the drafting of Love in 2020 is the one thing the Packers have done right in regards to planning for Rodgers' departure.

It was the right move, at the right time. It has only been the complete 180 in extending Rodgers instead of shipping him out via trade last off season that constitutes total mismanagement of the plan to move on from Rodgers.

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Since'75's picture

December 17, 2022 at 07:54 am

Right...mismanaged.

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HarryHodag's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:24 am

My bet is they trade Love, not Rodgers. Folks who lobby to trade Rodgers are forgetting you need a trade partner. He'll be 40 years old next December and clearly his skills aren't what they once were.
Love, on the other hand, is young, been schooled and a team like Texas might be willing to look at him as their future. The trade would give GB a shot at another QB AND a couple other badly needed pics. Then the problem of the fifth year option goes away.
But if Rodgers retires, Love stays and will get paid if he plays well in 2023.

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Since'75's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:47 am

Why do people keep saying "If Rodgers retires" lol.
I read that all the time.
Rodgers has 59 million, fully guaranteed coming to him, the only way he would lose that, is if he retired.
Does anyone think Rodgers, doesn't want that money?
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The Packers could try to trade Love, but what would they get for him?
Another shot at a QB AND more picks?
I don't get it, would the Packers trade Love for...a #1 and other picks Harry?
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I get that Love looked good against the Eagles in the 4th Quarter down by 14.
With that small sample...people seemed to think..he's proven.
I hope Love does well, he deserves a chance.
BUT....he played for 3 minutes and completed 6 passes.
If that's proven...that must be some pretty tasty kool aid.

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Coldworld's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:12 am

Which is why he needs to play more now. This season isn’t going anywhere. Even if the massively unlikely happens and we make the playoffs, this team is a mess on D and hasn’t beaten a goid team.

As to Rodgers, do you really think that a one year older Rodgers minus probably Jones and some others is going to make us contend on the back of Watson, Dillon and Doubs alone? Is that worth the increased scale and length of the cap nightmare that increases if Rodgers starts. If we bring back Rodgers and do OK, where then—a 2 to 3 year plan to develop through the draft around him till he’s 43 and Watson is the guy we are worrying about extending?

What if Love actually is a decent starter? Would the picks we get compensate for watching that for 10-15 years? Did Atlanta’s when we got Favre. Who says Rodgers will remain good enough or healthy enough if we go that route?

At some point, one has to look at things dispassionately. We blew Rodger’s years. That’s in the past tense. Unless all you watch for is him, this is a marriage made in hell for both parties. Keeping him is a guarantee we won’t contend as opposed to Love who is a gamble that we might. I will take the cap, Love, and see where that takes us (Love or another) as opposed to this extended subsidence into the twilight zone.

Let Rodgers retire or play for a team ready to contend. That’s not us, and won’t be in his playing life now with where the cap and roster are. Looking backwards is comforting till the future bites you in the behind. That’s what’s happened this year, but the next bite is likely going to be much more serious.

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Since'75's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:42 am

Cold.....
I agree, i'm not arguing.
Let me make some points/opinions of what i believe.

I believe the Packers should have traded Rodgers in 2020 or 21 for a Kings ransom and instant cap relief.
I believe that Love should have been starting by now.
I believe the Packers shouldn't have signed Rodgers to a new contract last March.
I believe the Packers made a train wreck of this Love/Rodgers situation to the long term detriment of the team with it's bad decisions and mismanagement.
I believe that because of Rodgers contract, there is zero chance he retires like everyone likes to crow about.
I believe that Mark Murphy is in way over his head when it comes to football operations, but i believed that way back in 2015-2017 when he needed to remove Ted because of his medical condition, but he did nothing and let the team regress. Until the BOD's intervened and told him to do his job in 2018.
I believe it's going to take a handful of years to undo the Murphy/Gute damage.
I believe Packer fans angst of blaming players is misdirected. It isn't the employee's, it's management. IF ANY employee is making any final decisions. That also, is managements fault.
I believe that the Packers have already made a decision on Jordan Love,
Gutenkunst said as much in his presser a week ago.
"We've seen what we need to see"
I believe that Gute made a horrible mess of not replacing receiver talent since 2018
I believe that Rodgers should have worked with his rookie receivers in the off season.
I also believe that was Rodgers choice to do so or not.
Rodgers shouldn't have to cancel his summer plans because management let the receiver room go to nothing.
I believe that if you have to rely on rookie receivers from the draft for a successful season, you've already lost.

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Coldworld's picture

December 16, 2022 at 03:42 pm

I can’t find too much to dispute in that. So let’s see Love play and have something more tangible to debate.

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Since'75's picture

December 17, 2022 at 07:31 am

Gute has spoken on the subject. If we are to believe him, Love won't be playing barring injury.

Maybe he changes his tune once were out with a game or two to go.

Gute has been known to change course, see Jordan Love

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Since'75's picture

December 17, 2022 at 08:29 am

Cold....i don't have a horse in the race.

I don't care if Rodgers, or Love finishes the season.
I've commented about what Gutekunst said at his presser.
The Packers are doing nothing this season, unless the hand of God intervenes.
So, i don't care.

I believe the Packers if they say they made up their mind on Love.
But that does NOT mean that the Packers will not give Love his 5th year option ( i think they will)
We kind of see the end in sight with this....
Rodgers will play one more season, paying him off of his guaranteed money.
Then Love will start in 2024 making his option year money of 20 million.

I "think" (predict) that it's going down like that.

But then again ..lol, after the 2020 draft, i thought Rodgers would be gone after two years and Love would be starting the 2023 season.
I underestimated the ineptitude of Gute/Murphy.
So...what do i know 😮

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mrtundra's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:59 am

Why would GB trade a QB, whom they have been grooming for the last four years? I, for one, would be perfectly happy with Jordan Love as our starting QB. Ball and Gute have to come up with a way to lessen Rodgers's salary cap hit. I do not know if that is even possible, now. Cap wise, if he stays, we' screwed. If he retires, we're screwed. Our QB situation is not the only position we need to look at. We have veteran players who are most likely gone, after this year. Lewis, Amos and Bakhtiari, to name three, will probably be gone. Savage had a bad year at Safety. Some of our LBs and CBs didn't measure up to what they showed us, last season. Our run defense was porous. Our O Line was a hodge hodge of bodies, we threw into place. I like Tom and Jenkins, on the left side and I like Runyan and Nijman of the right side. Regarding the draft, are we stuck drafting for need, again? Do we go after the best player left on the board, no matter what position they play? I hope and pray we can find a way to be relevant, once again, in this League.

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Since'75's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:04 am

If Rodgers retired (which again...will not happen.

The Packers wouldn't be screwed, they'd be left with 40 million in dead money. which could be split over two seasons.

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Coldworld's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:21 am

Because any option involving other than Rodgers at QB is clearly not one a lot here can confront rationally. That’s either because Rodgers is their link to the team or because they can’t let go of the notion that we are perennial contenders: a step above most teams. Thus any fiction, however bizarre, that would preclude addressing reality is more ‘logical’ than moving on. Any fact that contradicts that is just ignored. It was the same with Favre’s partisans.

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jont's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:10 pm

"Why would GB trade a QB, whom they have been grooming for the last four years?"

Yep. I thought the same when I read Harry's comment, but who knows what might be offered? I think it's unlikely but some team might make an offer GB couldn't refuse.

Look around at the past year; there have been a couple head scratcher trades. Maybe the FO's not as confident in Love as they say, maybe somebody offers a sweet package, maybe maybe maybe. Who can say?

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13TimeChamps's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:23 am

"Love, on the other hand, is young, been schooled and a team like Texas might be willing to look at him as their future."

Houston is on pace for the #1 pick in the draft. They will have the option to pick whomever they think is the best QB coming out next year. Plus they would have him on a rookie contract and have 5 years of control. Trading for Love in that scenario doesn't seem to make sense.

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Coldworld's picture

December 16, 2022 at 03:45 pm

I’d agree. For that to happen, Love or anyone so situated would need to have demonstrated high performance over a number of games. Then the known quantity starts to heavily weight the equation. Without that, take a punt on the cheaper uncertainty.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:23 am

J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets! The perfect trade partner with the cap space to take on Rodgers' contract. He knows and respects their coaches, and would have some familiarity with a LaFleur offense if traded (Matt's brother Mike is the Jets' OC).

What you just said are the reasons why we should keep Love; he is a young bright QB. Only someone who would be trying to make our team worse would choose to trade him. Plus, while the Packers see him every day in practice, the rest of the NFL has only seen the Chiefs game, the preseason, and the 9 snaps against the Eagles. I don't think that would generate much trade compensation, maybe a day 3 pick at the most. Rodgers, on the other hand, could give us a lot of picks if the trade partner is desperate enough for a good QB.

Enter the Jets, a team with a Super-Bowl caliber roster that are merely playoff contenders and not SB contenders because of poor QB play. Mike White is nothing more than a second-rate Taylor Heinicke. While it is true Rodgers' skills weren't what they once were, he is still better than most QBs in the NFL. Remember, he has been playing injured for most of '22. At his age, I am sure Rodgers would rather go to the Jets, who have star pass-catchers and RBs galore (and a better O-line), and have a very good chance of winning a 2nd SB ring as opposed to staying on the Packers, whose roster is on a rebuilding trajectory.

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13TimeChamps's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:57 am

By all accounts, Rodgers has been fighting the "LaFleur offense" pretty much since the day MLF arrived. Each year this offense seems to get further away from it and more back to the Rodgers/MM playbook of flinging it downfield when moving the chains makes more sense. MLF likes motion and "illusion of complexity". Rodgers seems to hate it. MLF's system wants to get the ball out quickly. Rodgers likes to run the play clock down to 0:01.

Why would he want to go to another team that will probably want to run an offense that he has already demonstrated he won't agree to run? And the no-trade-clause in this case means nothing. Rodgers isn't going to a team he doesn't want to go to at this point in his career. I believe he'd retire first.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 16, 2022 at 11:18 am

The way I see it, Rodgers has 3 options in 2023: Retire, be traded, or be Love's backup.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 16, 2022 at 11:56 am

Acting GM, Mark Murphy, will insist Rodgers is the starter, no matter what. He holds the keys to success or failure. The financial abyss facing the team will not be avoided and MM will never do anything that admits his failures as a GM. Fortunately he will be forced to retire soon (will be 68 next year) but the mismanagement will linger for a few years.

The good news is the trip from worst to first is a short trip in the parity driven NFL. (unfortunately, as we are experiencing, the reverse is also a quick journey)

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Coldworld's picture

December 16, 2022 at 03:51 pm

It is unless you royally screw up your cap. If Rodgers starts for us next season, the cap hangover becomes longer and deeper. That is the reason we aren’t likely to turn around the overall roster rapidly, like some teams have.

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13TimeChamps's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:03 pm

I'm not disputing that Rodgers could be traded. I wish they would have done it last year personally. I just don't agree that it has to be to the Jets or that he will have no say in it.

I agree with your first 2 options. But as far as the 3rd option, I definitely could see him starting (not my choice) again next year before accepting a backup role to Love. No way that's happening.

I sincerely hope they find a way to move on next year that's as beneficial to both Rodgers and the team as possible.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:25 pm

Nick, please explain how GB gets competitive with their salary cap problems if they trade AR12. It just can't happen.

It's not as simple as "we know" JL is good enough, even if that were true. Not giving him significant playing time the next four games means that they don't want to watch him screw up so they can try to get excess value by trading him. I don't think that will work. In that case it means AR was right and they should've taken a WR instead. That's my 'crystal ball' anyway, lol.

Why not start AR12 and once he's not scoring put JL10 in? If that doesn't go well, put 12 back in before they lose?

Next year with 12 as a backup if 10 proves he's that good is not a terrible situation.

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 16, 2022 at 06:20 pm

Ted Thompson would have shipped Rodgers to Denver and laughed all the way to the bank. I gotta believe Gutekunst would have too, because Gutekunst is Ted with better media skills. John Schneider is about to be ascendent again - nice job Murph. You make a first round commitment to Love, and you follow your plan to it's completion. The Packers had long term plans prior to Mark Murphy making himself the owner. But I digress.

Rodgers is done. We saw what this offense is supposed to be yesterday night, sadly AR has MLF's testicles buried in his back yard, and Matt is unable to coach the team without them.

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nygary's picture

December 16, 2022 at 06:58 am

Nick I have been saying exactly what you posted for weeks. When I said MLF needed a few shots of testosterone to enhance his balls I wasn't kidding.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:27 pm

I place this season's problems squarely on coaching. Of course injuries don't help, but MLF hasn't adjusted when nothing they try works. He's had no experience with that.

SO many obvious solutions that coaches aren't trying, or are making after 7 weeks.

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T7Steve's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:09 am

You guys decide on the quarterback. Unless the O-line is dominant it won't matter. Get that done and learn to plan, practice and make in-game adjustments for any contingency.

I actually think the D is an easy fix. After a coaching change they might start by using their depth on the line and get some push up the middle to help the edges and LBs.

Keep improving special teams.

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Razer's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:29 am

So right on the mark. The O-line and, I will argue, the D-line are fundamental to any team success. Kirk Cousins and Goff both look like good QBs with enough time to pick a receiver or lean on a run game. Even Christian Watson's success rolls back to the O-line giving Rodgers time.

Send your formula to Gutekunst so that he can MAKE IT SO.

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T7Steve's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:40 am

That formula works till you get to the playoffs where every team can be counted on to have good fronts.

Then it's up to coaching to take their strengths away and make adjustments to put your people in the best positions to win by using their strengths. That's when your game managing quarterback playing at an MVP level might make a difference. Not before.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:12 am

Or when your defense that would hold up just enough in the regular season against sub-par opponents is taken advantage of by better teams. Or when your STs have a meltdown...

New coaches and players will help the D-Line and OLBs. Quay will improve with better coaching and more experience. I like Yosh and Tom to be our Tackles of the future, and Runyan has been very underrated. He's a keeper at RG as well

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T7Steve's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:33 am

Runyan's best attribute is "no penalties" he'll keep progressing, especially if the center play improves (which is a must).

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BlueOx's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:34 am

I’d lean toward #3 as well. Anyone have thoughts about what Rodgers would fetch in a trade? I think it might be more than people think.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:10 am

A 2023 1st and 4th as well as a 2024 2nd and 4th is what I would be happy to give for Rodgers.

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Coldworld's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:22 am

Sold.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:10 pm

I would take that deal and even throw in Bakhtiari to close the deal and shed even more of the cap crush.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:07 am

They should take anything they can get. There won’t be many bidders so it will be a buyer’s market. Maybe they’ll get a 4th rd pick.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:07 am

They should take anything they can get. There won’t be many bidders so it will be a buyer’s market. Maybe they’ll get a 4th rd pick.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:31 pm

Look at the cap situation; a trade is unaffordable. AR12 insured he plays in GB until he wants to retire. Trade value doesn't even matter.

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Razer's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:39 am

The reality of holding onto a player too long probably hit the Packers while riding back from London. The realization that the team sold the future for a longshot run probably hit after the Jets game. Recognizing the contract and coaching mistakes needs to happen in order to move on. Trying to squeeze more out of Rodgers will tell you whether this organization is living in the past or moving to a better future.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:22 pm

This will forever be known as "Murphy's Mess." It seems to me Gutey gave MLF what he wanted in players...illusion of complexity built on a solid run O behind a talented, versatile OL... and making the D a top 10 group (on paper they are and are also paid as the #2 D in the NFL!)

Murphy decided Rodgers was worth burning that blueprint and "yes man" MLF agreed and then weakly turned the O over to the QB.

I am also certain Murphy gave MLF a big thumbs up to hire crony Barry to be Drayton 2.0.

I miss Bob Harlan. He was a great judge of talent and let his direct reports do their jobs. Murphy is a micro manager and owns this mess.

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stockholder's picture

December 16, 2022 at 07:58 am

Cut/ plus don't resign: Rodgers friends. That means Cobb, Watkins ,Bahk, Lazard, Crosby, Tonyan, are gone. Well you know that won't happen. But it should. And the cost won't add up. Because even if this draft favors it. You need to draft defense.
Trade Love. -But you won't get anything for him. Why? Because this draft is full of Jordan Loves.
Defense- Savage is to young to cut. Yet you don't pay Amos. One has to stay, if you want to fix this Defense.
So what is the fix? New LBs! Yes- I'm saying draft 2 new speed OLBs. Think CM3.
Because the biggest problem is trying to get away from the 3-4-4. And You need a good trench to win any championship.
Will they dump it? No. It's all about getting Lucky with what you have. So change the DC again.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:53 am

Hmm, Stock...I think I am starting to understand your position from your perspective...

If I am correct, you want the Packers to essentially try to re-create 2010, where the Packers didn't have the greatest roster and just went 10-6, but got "lucky" and won the SB. Now what you have been saying makes more sense to me

You also want us to build up the defense so we can be good like we were in 2010. I agree with that. There are a lot of speedy OLBs. I think Gary is a keeper, but it remains to be seen how he will return from his injury, and getting another star OLB opposite him is something we must do. If Gary recovers well, then we have a nightmare duo toward opposing QBs. If he doesn't recover well, then we can draft another speed OLB in 2024 or 2025 that would make us just as dreadful for other QBs

The trouble is that 2010s don't happen very often. Of the past 10 SB winners, only 2 have been wild-card teams: The 2012 Giants and the 2020 Buccaneers. We don't have a Charles Woodson or a Nick Collins (Or, frankly, a Ryan Pickett) on defense as of right now. I don't know if all of those holes can be fixed in the offseason.

I think that, in the next 5 years, we would have a much, much higher chance of winning a Super Bowl if we rebuilt this roster in 2023 so that eventually, it can become a mega-contender like the Eagles in 2024 or 2025 with Love as the QB. Rodgers is good; it is just that he is expensive and on the decline; Love is young and ascending, and, not to mention, we could get some very handsome draft capital for Rodgers, something that trading Love wouldn't give us - you said so yourself, and I agree that it wouldn't yield much draft capital.

We are in agreement about being good in the trenches to win, though. This has been proven over and over again.

Barry needs to go also. Someone like Jim Leonhard or Mike Zimmer would be better

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stockholder's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:26 am

I'm against a rebuild. So I believe Rodgers adjusts his contract again to keep his friends.
With that said; here is the first two players GB should take if they want to fix the Defense.
Bryan Breeze DT.
Nolan Smith Edge/lb
Both were injured and will drop. Breeze, Clark, Wyatt, would be my front for the 3-4-4.
I'm taking Smith because of rushing ability. Think CM3.
Trade possibilities are Love and Clark. If Barry goes: P. Smith, and Campbell might go. ( Per article #1choice.)
There are many Safeties and TEs to draft later.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 16, 2022 at 11:22 am

Bresee is a good player. Smith is a 4-3 OLB, and those players typically don't transfer well to the 3-4. We would be looking for a DE we can convert to OLB. Jared Verse of FSU, Will McDonald IV of Iowa St, and Zach Harrison of Ohio St are three of my favorite prospects.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 16, 2022 at 01:16 pm

The Offense has to be the focus. The failed 3-4 model has to be shown the door. They will need to build a valid O line with some blue chips and forget the cut and paste acquisition of projects that do not hold up against better talent. A.Jones should be a trade chip. RB talent in this draft. Speed guys with some meat on their bones. Another WR by the Two pick. Accumulate Playmakers. Score Points. Win. The DTs can be stocked in the 3rd and 4th rounds with guys like Keeanu Benton or crazy Mazi Smith from big blue. They have the talent, currently on the squad with Wyatt and Slaton collecting dust while this dip shit, Barry plays his version of "watching the river freeze. " Not impressed with the ACC players. McGuire is an Edge who probably moves to the third. The only high pick on defense should go to Porter or Gonzalez for the perimeter CB spot. We all see how Douglas fared with the pressure.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:50 pm

OT or CB with the one pick. Trade into the second for another pick, bag a WR to replace Lazard; pick up a viable TE. They already fu 'd the Savage deal extending him a 5th year for a catalogue of mediocrity. 3rd-4ths they need to hit on A safety and another TE. Again the swiss cheese paradigm. Jones is a guy with trade value.

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Oppy's picture

December 17, 2022 at 01:58 am

What about the 3-4-5 or the 3-4-3?

What are your thoughts on the 4-3-5? Does it edge out the 4-3-3?

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Since'61's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:25 am

Once again I say to turn the page.

But my recommendation would be for a different scenario, call it option #4 for lack of a better term.

First the Packers can give themselves an excellent view of scenario #3 in the article by playing Love and numerous other younger players like Wyatt and Slayton over the remaining four games. That should be the first thing they do. This approach gives them the opportunity to evaluate Love and other players prior to making critical decisions about QB, DL etc.

Second fire Barry at least if not MLF as well and get some legit NFL coaches back in Green Bay. So yes I would seriously consider blowing up the coaching staff.
Hiring new coaches tells Rodgers that the Packers are in a rebuild and he probably won't want to deal with his 3rd HC and yet another new OC and QB coach. This could push Rodgers into retirement and end the QB questions. However KEEP Bisaccia!
Third at least make attempts to trade Rodgers if he does not retire and move on to Love.
Try to keep Aaron Jones either via an extension or entirely new contract. Add a TE and another RB in the draft. Continue to draft DLs. Bring the OL back as intact as possible probably without Bak. Bring the defense back as intact as possible but without Amos, Savage and possibly P. Smith and draft at least one Safety but probably 2. Sign a FA Safety and may be a FA TE as well.

Bottom line blow up the coaching staff except ST, move on to Love, trade or chuck the regressing vets on defense, turn the page and let's get this show back on the road. If they don't do it this offseason they will be doing this next off season and they will have wasted another year without moving forward. Thanks, Since '61

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Razer's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:51 am

...First the Packers can give themselves an excellent view of scenario #3 in the article by playing Love and numerous other younger players like Wyatt and Slayton over the remaining four games...

I wonder if we are seeing some of this with the signing of Caleb Jones to the 53 man roster. Give the big man some real game reps before the season ends so that you know what you have going forward. If he can move, a 6-8 tackle would be nice find.

I agree - getting the young guys involved should be a priority for the remainder of the season.

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HawkPacker's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:46 am

Since'61, I agree with pretty much everything you stated. I do think they need to play Love and some of the young players as well. However, they need to make sure that Love is surrounded with enough veterans for everyone to see how he can play and to give him the proper game experience. That will help especially next year.

The coaches have said that they have seen enough of Love to make their decision. That may be true, but he really needs the proper game experience.

I agree on who you want to draft next year. We really need help on the defensive line, OLB and Safety but we only have so many high draft picks and with the Cap issue, it will be hard to sign any significant FA's.

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Since'61's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:37 pm

Hawkpacker- Agree that Love also needs actual regular season experience. Also I would like to see Love play for the remainder of this season with the starters on offense especially the skill players.

Gute stepped in it by claiming that Love is an NFL starting QB. Now Love will not want to spend another sitting behind Rodgers. What will happen if Love demands to start in 2023 and if not he may begin to demand to be traded. We could be heading into a very interesting off season. Thanks, Since '61

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Handsback's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:28 am

Nice article, but unrealistic. Rodger's contract was set-up to stay in Green Bay or retire. Who would trade for Rodgers? Denver has shown the world what happens when you trade for a QB past their prime.
So the team needs to rebuild their talent. Players who aren't soft in the middle. Toughness is a trait that seems to be missing on the Packer's defense and changing coordinators doesn't help. Berry isn't the answer, but find one and stick with them until they have their players on board. The first coach that comes to mind is Zimmer, but he would never fit into MLFs mold of new age coaching. Zimmer is from the Lombardi age of smash mouth kick in the ass coaching style.
Concerning Love, the team already knows what they have. They aren't being vocal about it, but there's a reason why they limit his regular season snaps. Either he's good enough to start and waiting for Rodgers to depart or cut him when it's financial prudent or keep him under wraps and let people think he's great and trade for high draft picks and get another QB.
My opinion isn't formed because we haven't seen enough of him. Is that by design?

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:31 am

Comparing Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers is faulty. Wilson was never as talented as Rodgers was. While Wilson has shown massive regression between '21 and '22, Rodgers still has shown he can sling it, even while injured. The Jets are a team that I think would be perfect trade partners, and they have (or can reasonably create) enough cap space to take on Rodgers' contract. See my post above for more on this.

I agree with you that we need more toughness and that we need to rebuild our talent. That starts with MLF and Barry. MLF looks lost and helpless on the sidelines, whereas a guy like Dan Campbell or Mike Vrabel look dedicated and empowered. The latter are the type of guys players will play for. I would love to replace MLF with a tougher guy like Dan Quinn next season, but the trouble is I think he is a good play-caller.

Mike Zimmer would whip these guys into shape, and if they can't get Leonhard, he may be the next best guy for the Packers' soon-to-be open DC job.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:46 am

# 3

That is all they need to do!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:39 pm

Can't afford it.

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alaskamike2001's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:00 am

Been a Packer fan since mom pushed me out in '58. I'm of a personality type that is more observer than anything else. I remember the horrid 70's and 80's. I like this format of coverage of the Packers but this is my first contribution to it. I have a few questions for everyone.

1. Did anyone watch last nights game, and what do you think this team, or any edition of the Packers, would do with a defense that is intense, aggressive and flies to the ball like the 49er's defense did last night. How nice it would be, as an offense, not to know we needed to put up 30+ a game and to always be playing from behind.

2. Who in this league would put their career, their livelihood on the line to pull off a John Hadl type trade for QB12? Is he overpaid, maybe, has his contract crippled the front office, undoubtedly, but the man can still sling it when not injured. There is no team that will give up trade capital that will be needed and take on his contract. If QB12 wants to remain in the NFL, it will be with the Packers. As I recall Tom Brady restructured his contract a couple of times to free up money to sign players that helped win Championships. Will QB12 consider this? Only he knows. I would pick up Love's 5th year option too. This necessitates releasing some popular, well liked players.

3. Defensive Coordinator. This goes back to my first question. Does everyone in Packerland feel there is no talent on the defensive side of the ball? I feel there is plenty, perhaps thin in areas, they are all utilized incorrectly and not to their strengths. The deficiency is at DC. No one on the offensive side of the ball is missing tackles, blowing coverages, taking an inside rush when contain is critical on the edge or playing 10 yards off opposing receivers on 3rd and 2.

Which one of the scenarios???? None look good to me, how about a combination of all three. But one thing I would ask that has nothing to do with the salary cap, please a new DC with an aggressive scheme. Sure occasionally they'll get burned, but anything is better than what is happening now.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:49 pm

Exactly! I place this year's problems squarely on coaching. Don't axe MLF, but he has to learn to adjust when nothing they try works. And adjust by halftime at the latest, not 7 weeks later.
DC has to go, I don't see any other solution. There's talent all over this roster.

JL10 needs meaningful playing time the rest of the season, but they can still start AR12. Most of his production this year has been on the opening two drives. Once he stops scoring, send JL10 in. If it doesn't go well put AR12 back in before they lose.

If 10 proves he's that good have 12 as his backup next year, but they can't afford to trade 12 due to his contract. Gotta keep Jones and Lazard.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:45 am

The contract that was given to Rodgers was essentially the 'No Trade Clause' that needed NOT be actually written in the contract. So, unless the FO can somehow undo this contract, which requires again Rodgers permission, the only QB getting traded is Love. This nullifies two paths. Rodgers staying allows for the failed again 'all-in' and 'run it back' and also erases the thinking that Love will be a Packer QB when the season starts next year.

The FO has painted themselves into the proverbial corner, and the only way out is to accept that regardless of action taken, there is no SB coming in any version of 'near years'. The Rodgers contract imploded that prospect the moment it was offered and signed.

We are left with only the hope to again reach for and achieve Division Title winner. That glorious achievement so recently made boring and accepted standard the last 30 years, with 3 SB appearances and 2 wins.

Hopefully, that standard of 'par excellence' will be in grasp reach sooner than later, when both Rodgers and Love are gone from GB.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:30 am

This doesn't make sense to me. He has a no trade clause, and the majority of his contract is guaranteed by the Packers.....it would be easy for the acquiring team to assume it.

Winning the division is always a big deal. Only 8 out of 32 teams do it, it's an automatic trip to the playoffs and the first game at home.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:53 am

Let me know when the team willing to eat the $59 million in 2023, not to forget 2024, who has the salary cap space and the team that ONLY needs a Rodgers, at age 39, to be a true viable team for the SB.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:22 pm

Did you just describe the Jets? Because I think you just did.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 16, 2022 at 01:26 pm

Since some think the path of Rodgers is mimicking that of Favre in the later years, or the present, let's cut out the one-year Jet trade plan, and get him in DETROIT. He'd get them an SB before GB gets another with him. I'll take a few of Detroits draft picks. Besides, perhaps he throws an INT to dash their hopes, and we rejoice again like with Minn.

Exploding heads are popping in mine.

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Coldworld's picture

December 16, 2022 at 03:56 pm

His dead cap is not fun, but a good portion stays with us if he’s traded. The reason we struggle is we’ve burdened ourselves with so much other dead cap on top of that. A number of teams who haven’t could manage a Rodgers trade if they chose to with minimal difficulty.

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stockholder's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:58 am

As long as Rodgers can play. The FO will stay with him. Replacing OL and WRs did him in.
The Defense was Gutey's fix. He signed P.Smith, Campbell, and Douglass. All IN? or too old?
If Z. Smith, Nick Perry and CM3 all left. Whats next for a injured Gary and P. Smith?
Gutey won't dump his #1s. But he may have to move on from his Free Agent pick-ups.
Gutey has a choice. Draft Offense. Or dump the guys that failed him.
Barry won't be fired. Because of Gutey's investments.
Players that are showing their age and slowing down.

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PatrickGB's picture

December 16, 2022 at 11:20 am

I have heard from both Thompson and Gutie that the goal for the club have been to get to the playoffs and see what happens after that. So on that point you are right. It’s been the balance of trying to win while fighting the cap. Premier QB’s are very expensive and so are left tackles, corners and pass rushers. The team has not valued linebackers, safety and interior linemen and have suffered because of it. Yet they have also done well with that philosophy. I don’t have a solution and don’t believe that it’s an easy fix. I don’t believe that blowing up the roster is the answer either.

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11Bravo1p's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:24 pm

Agree, Rodgers contact gives him veto power over whether he gets traded. That will making trading him very difficult. It is in the Packers best interest to trade him and move on, but might not be possible.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 17, 2022 at 03:35 pm

No, there is no "no trade" clause in the contract. ACR can only prevent trade with retirement. That is all.

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11Bravo1p's picture

December 17, 2022 at 11:08 pm

Effective veto power over a trade is not the same thing as a “no trade” clause. Rodgers has the power to either prevent a trade (by retiring) or make it too expensive for the Packers. Rodgers doesn’t need a “no trade” contract clause to stop a trade he isn’t agreeable to. For Rodgers to be traded, he will need to be agreeable to the trade, because his contract will need to be reworked.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:27 am

Why would anyone think that we're a serious contender with a 40 year old QB next year?

Go with Love and Dillon in the backfield, Watson and Doubs at WR, add some help in the draft (particularly on the offensive line) and go with it. Rodgers is a crutch, and a rubber one at that.

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PatrickGB's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:45 am

I know that I am in the minority here. I am inclined to have the team kick the can. The only caveat is the salary cap. We really can’t afford him but I see no significant drop off from him regardless of age.That’s the quandary. But I hope that we can keep him until he retires.

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pantz_bURp's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:18 pm

I would be for kick the can under 1 condition...#2 does the kickin'. (it won't be that far down the rural, country road).

Just funnin #2, I like you...you are a class act.

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CoachJV's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:49 am

Why are you talking so much about cutting or trading Jones? He is actually EARNING his money, and all he does is make positive plays and touchdowns. Our high-priced over the hill QB needs to go... along with his over-priced LT that hasn't earned a dime of that giant contract.
If it's put up, or shut up, Jones is who you wanna keep. He IS our O... not Arod.

We need to blow it up now because any more can kicking is not gonna get us another SB. We need a full re-build and restart, building around Love, Jones, and Watson.

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MooPack's picture

December 16, 2022 at 10:55 am

Trade Rodgers for Brock Purdy.

That’ll sell some papers, get a million plus clicks, and blow the NFL world upside down.

[edit] I could see the headline: Packers give MVP QB for Mr. Irrelevant…Who wins?

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pantz_bURp's picture

December 16, 2022 at 11:34 am

Trade #12 for Jimmy G. Who cares how many games we win...we get to stare at Coach LaF and Jimmy in the same picture frame! :D

I just might combust into a big ol' mushroom cloud ...

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:24 pm

At least we would never lose to Jimmy G in the playoffs again!

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pantz_bURp's picture

December 16, 2022 at 12:32 pm

Yes Cheese500. Trying to catch a glimpse of Jimmy and coach LaF during the game...well, I would be like a one-eyed cat trying to look at two mouse holes at the same time...

>^• ^<

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pantz_bURp's picture

December 16, 2022 at 01:32 pm

Funny, I thought Mr Irrelevant was #12's nickname in the playoffs...my bad.

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pantz_bURp's picture

December 16, 2022 at 11:39 am

No kick the can...I prefer flashlight tag.

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crayzpackfan's picture

December 16, 2022 at 01:22 pm

Unless we have a new DC who is a no nonsense, well respected, and a holding quality track record, a QB who is willing to run the MLF offense 100%, and MM steps back letting his GM run the show, GB will be no better off with any of the 3 scenarios. Since 61 was spot on with his take. Status quo in GB is just holding an ice cream cone in 95 degrees without even taking a lick. In other words, a big, sticky, mess.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 16, 2022 at 02:15 pm

It doesn't have to be all in on AR12 or JL10 for the rest of the season. Most of 12's production this season has been on opening drives. Why not pull him once he's not scoring and see if 10 gets another 10 points in 2 drives? Put 12 back in before they take a L if that's how things go. Gotta give 10 meaningful playing time or else they're trying to get too much by trading him, afraid to see him fail. I don't think that effort will work. Trading 12 is cost prohibitive, his contract guaranteed that. Nothing wrong with moving 12 to a backup role next year if 10 proves he's that good, which is highly doubtful.

Gotta keep Jones and Lazard, IMHO. Get a TE or see Bobby recover. We have 2 0 linemen at 6'9" who haven't played a single snap, gotta get some film on them and give them a chance to develop. Even if only used as a special tool on 3rd and short, that's way better than ending drives with an incomplete 30 yard attempt all the time.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

December 16, 2022 at 05:04 pm

Door three. Bring the explosives. Trade AR post June 1 with deal in hand in advance. Hell, send him anywhere and even sign the first half of his 2023 check if that’s what it takes. Trade Jones under the same scenario. Probably stuck with Bahk but then send him away in 2024. Cut any WR that can be replaced cheaply for a cap savings. Starting Doubs, Watson, Lazard and two draftees/UDFA. Tonyan, Lewis can be cut too. See if you can get a cold cup of day old latte for Joe Barry.

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BirdDogUni's picture

December 16, 2022 at 08:58 pm

I wouldn't give a cup of warm piss for a latte, or Joe Berry's job prospects...

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Jaqu’eau's picture

December 16, 2022 at 06:56 pm

With all this offseason speculation starting in November/December, what dribble will we have to look forward to read in the real offseason? Seems like a lot of people trying to process a lot of disappointment. My advice, just enjoy the remaining games. Real Football has a limited shelf life, enjoy it while you still can. Worry about the other stuff at a later date (hint: when there’s no football being played).

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Ritzy's picture

December 16, 2022 at 09:17 pm

I go for door No. 3 also. Change is a good thing. I'm excited about seeing more of Love, and what he can do with Doubs and Watson. But try to keep Aaron Jones if you can. He deserves to be part of the rebuild, I mean, reboot. I'd be happy if they got a second-round pick for Rodgers. I'd like to hear what others have to say about what the compensation for Rodgers should be.

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brenner's picture

December 17, 2022 at 12:29 am

Rodgers will be back next yr, If gute knows love his his guy get him on a 3 or 4 yr extension now cuz it's not gonna get cheaper. If he's not, move on. Highly doubt Rodgers will play past next year. Rodgers has earned the right to play out the last 4 games, but if they lose,(MIA)... let love play.

Gotta keep Jenkins, Jones, lazard, Tonyan can go.. time to draft one high. New DC will at least improve several issues. But still like amos.. need to play Wyatt and slayton. S, T and TE need to be draft priorities. Take a 4th or 5th for savage, maybe less... Still think they gave up on amari too soon... But shoulda gave up on his return "skills" long ago.

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HarlanHuckleby's picture

December 17, 2022 at 07:43 am

I would be most comfortable with scenario #3, understanding there is a bit of hope involved that you would be able to trade Rodgers (due to the size of his contract). It would not only be a referendum on Love, but on LaFleur long term. The LaFleur system is designed for a competent quarterback to be successful, and I think Love has grown into that at a minimum. Meanwhile, Rodgers doesn't seem to like the system for exactly that reason- game management is more important than "wow" passing plays, and it also helps to be a good running quarterback (which is not the strong suit of a late-30's Rodgers' game).

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