There Are No Guarantees

There are no guarantees for Aaron Rodgers staying in Green Bay. 

For the first time since becoming the starter, the Green Bay Packers’ commitment to Aaron Rodgers came into question when the team drafted Jordan Love in the first round of the 2020 NFL draft. However, that was before Rodgers returned to an MVP-level last season. On Monday, the Packers’ starting quarterback appeared on The Pat McAfee Show and made some interesting comments about his play last year.

“All I can do is play my best, and last year I felt I did do that and may have thrown a wrench into some timelines that may have been thought about or desired,” said Rodgers.

When asked if he had heard anything about the media frenzy that has transpired this offseason in regards to his future with the team, Rodgers responded by saying nothing has really changed as far as his future in Green Bay. All along Rodgers has stated that everything remains uncertain, and that hasn’t changed even after winning his third MVP trophy at 37 years old.

“Ultimately, things haven’t really changed on that front,” he said.

After Rodgers’ performance in 2020, fans have balked at the idea of ever parting ways with Rodgers despite his heir apparently waiting on the bench.

When the Packers selected Love, Rodgers’ contract had him tied to Green Bay through the 2023 season. The team could obviously move on from the future Hall of Famer before then and transition to Love, but that will be much more difficult if he is still playing at a high level into his 40s.

Last season, Rodgers experienced a resurgence during his second year in Matt LaFleur’s offense, throwing for 4,299 yards and a career-high 48 touchdowns to just five interceptions. In total, Rodgers received 44 out of 50 potential first-place votes for 2020's Most Valuable Player.

However, even after one of his best seasons, the Packers are non-committal to Rodgers. There might be some indication on how the team feels if they approached him about re-working his current contract, but there has been very little news about a restructure or extension that would either free up immediate cap space or tie him to Green Bay beyond 2023.

"My future, really, a lot of it's out of my control," Rodgers told McAfee. "That's why I use a phrase like 'beautiful mystery.' Because it is quite uncertain which directions that things are going to go.”

If Rodgers continues to play at an MVP level, in theory, that is how he can regain some of the control he feels he has lost.

When CEO Mark Murphy appeared on The 5th Quarter Show on WNFL in Green Bay back in January, “We’re not idiots” were the words he used when asked about possibly moving on from Rodgers. However, based on his comments, Rodgers remains skeptical about finishing his career with the Packers, and the front office is determined to give Love a fair chance.

Rodgers could very well be a large part of the team’s future over the next few years, or Love may be the franchise quarterback as soon as 2022. The only guarantees Packers fans can cling to is that there are no guarantees in this business. 

 

 

Brandon Carwile is a Packers writer who also enjoys watching and breaking down film. Follow him on Twitter @PackerScribe.

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x24's picture

April 07, 2021 at 12:06 pm

"My future, really, a lot of it's out of my control,"

This is a factual statement. This is a factual statement for EVERYBODY on this planet. Because of this, nobody should panic*

*This is the off season- everybody will panic

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Packer_Fan's picture

April 07, 2021 at 12:19 pm

Another crazy article. We have Rodgers for three more years. A whole lot of things can happen. And the Packers are still working on his contract. Trolling to create an issue

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 01:12 am

Thought I was reading a Packers.com article?

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Coldworld's picture

April 07, 2021 at 12:30 pm

Of course it is not. Rodger’ career could end on one play. Nothing is certain in sport in particular.

Cut through the BS and Murphy/Gute/Ball/La Fleur could have:

1) decided to move on from Rodgers for love and cap freedom,
2) opted to hedge their bets on Rodgers future play
3) still be negotiating with Rodgers on a contract amendment
4) have realized that deferring any extension to next year actually could help the Packers and Rodgers more by essentially dropping 20 million off the cap.

Personally, I’d bet on 4, with a tinge of 2. However, only one thing is certain, none of us has a clue and those in Lombardi aren’t going to tell us. There is no tea leaf that will give anyone a definitive answer.

So, speculate all you like, we aren’t going to get any closer to knowing by doing so. My opinion isn’t any more founded in proof than yours. Nor is it any less viable based upon what we know.

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PF4L's picture

April 07, 2021 at 07:46 pm

I would go with 1 and 2, prior to the 2020 season.

#3...I don't think is happening.

#4....Seems impossible because that implies keeping Rodgers until 2024-2025? In that case.... what was the point in drafting Love?
Keep him for 4 years and then 5th year option him for 20+ million to see if he can play?

If the Packers traded Rodgers after the 2021 season, they will save about 22 million in cap space...and they'll be needing it.

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April 07, 2021 at 11:24 pm

They drafted Love because Rodgers play had slipped and there were no assurances it would become great again. That and the fact QBs are capital in the NFL. If you have quality QBs your team can and likely will be successful. Add the fact, they had him with a 1st rd gradeabd he plays THE most important position in sports. THINK a little!

NE draft Jimmy G to replace Brady, but it spurred Brady on for another 5+ yrs. Trust me, Rodgers appears spurred on and now looks like he can play another 5 yrs. If that happens Love is a bargaining peice, they can can move in 2 yrs and get value for. If Rodgers continues at a high level you trade Love. It all really simple.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 07:39 am

" THINK a little!" - Stroh
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Ok, i'll try to THINK a little Stroh. This will be tough but here goes.

1) "Rodgers play had slipped" - Stroh.
Guys like Jordan Love would like nothing more than to have a season Rodgers had in 2019.
4,002 yards..26TD's...4 picks...passer rating 95.4
Keynote: Rodgers and LeFluer were implementing a new offense with 1 proven receiver

2) The Packers had Love graded 1st round might be true. How many other teams did?
Gute said that....Love fell to them
Where did Gute think Love would go off the board..10th?..14th?..17th?
THINK...a little!

3) " If you have quality QBs your team can and likely will be successful." -Stroh
(Rodgers was no longer a quality QB?)
Let me ask you Stroh....Who and when was Love proclaimed to be a quality NFL QB?
Maybe ....Gute knows Love is a Quality QB in the NFL?
But...Gute didn't know Rodgers could have a great season?
What's wrong there Stroh?
THINK...a little!

4) Your team was one game away from getting to the Super Bowl.
In the draft you have a HOF QB with the window closing. Do you.....

A) Draft a player who can give the team potential immediate help with the first and fourth pick?

B) Trade up in the 1st round and give an additional 4th round pick for what most say is a project QB that will sit for years and give no help in the near future, if at all?

C) Maybe trade up in the first round for an immediate impact player where your team has glaring need?

D) Use your 2nd and 3rd round pick for team need hoping to hit on obtaining starter quality players....to help NOW.

E) All of the above except for (B)
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"They drafted Love because Rodgers play had slipped and there were no assurances it would become great again." - Stroh

Jordan Love to the rescue in 2, 3, or 4 years? Is that why they drafted Love?

"Rodgers play has slipped!!....We better trade up and land Jordan Love to play in 2024!!!" - Gute and Stroh

THINK....a little!

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April 08, 2021 at 08:02 am

PF4L, "think back a little". Do you remember a QB drafted in 1991 at the top of the 2nd round with the number 33 pick? The Atlanta Falcons thought the kid was wild & not coachable. How did that work out?

Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005. Are you crazy? We have this X-Falcon guy. What a stupid pick.

Draft pundits and many fans think Love is not accurate enough. They believe he is a waste behind Rodgers. The Green Bay Packers have other "thoughts"........THINK... a little!

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:29 am

I'm not sure what your point is exactly.

Is Love the next Favre?

When Rodgers was drafted i was good with it because i had enough Favre drama, even before the vikings thing.

I know the Green Bay Packers have/had other "thoughts". That's why they traded up and drafted Love instead of drafting for talent to put on the field.

That's one of the reasons they haven't gotten to a Super Bowl.

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blondy45's picture

April 08, 2021 at 09:53 am

My point is the Green Bay Packers have made great choices to be the foundation of their team at the QB position since 1991, despite pundit & fan's disapproval. Favre cost was #19 in the 1992 draft. Rodgers #24 pick 2005. Love #26 for the 30+136 picks last year. Hopefully they HAVE drafted talent to put on the field for YEARS to come, not just the QB position. The last I checked, every QB ever drafted has not had an NFL snap or experience. I think Rodgers is a great regular season QB, big playoff games has proven to be not so great. We can not get rid of a QB until he proves he is not the answer. Atlanta never gave Favre a chance. I want to give Love a chance. We also are not giving up on Rodgers this year, be patient. Thanks for your feedback.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 07:02 pm

There are some things that don't make sense blondy.

Like why do you give your franchise QB a huge contract, then single out and trade up for a first round QB instead of drafting players to help the team after you were one win away from going to the Super Bowl?

And no...contrary to what Gute has said...Jordan Love didn't fall to him. Nobody else had Love on their board at 10th, 14th, 17th pick. C'Mon.
And a player doesn't fall to you, when you trade up for him.
C'MON

He pursued Love in the fall of 2019, taking his top scout and hopping a plane to go see and talk with Love when playing LSU.

But you already knew that right?

How about the long inquiring phone calls Gute made with Loves old coach during the college football season in 2019...the phone call the coach described as weird because scouts aren't calling during the college football season, much less a General Manager.
But you probably already knew about that right?

Gute had Love targeted in 2019. Listen to what Love himself has said about his discussions with Gute. Love knew the Packers were going to draft him if he was on the board.

The Packers didn't decide in the draft room in a ten minute period between draft picks to draft Rodgers replacement.

Knowledge and common sense isn't over rated blondy.

Nobody said Love shouldn't get a chance, i'd love to see him play now!!
Trade Rodgers, start Love, lets see it....The Packers deserve it....i'm ready!

But maybe...Love has to prove to the Packers, he's ready.

Thank you for understanding.

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April 08, 2021 at 10:44 pm

So scouting and targeting your hopeful QB of the future is a BAD thing? I thought that is a GM's job to target the guy he feels will be the best fit in the Pack's system when Rodgers is not QB in the future. I love your passion PF4L, and I understand the frustration of not getting (in your mind) immediate help last year. R...E...L...A...X... Rodgers waited for 3 years before he got his shot. So we in hindsight should not have chosen Rodgers in 2005 because we could have picked someone else to fill a more pressing need in 2005? Think a little more. Nothing personal, enjoyed your comments.

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April 10, 2021 at 12:39 am

For all i know Blondy, you've only been a football fan for a year or two, So i'll be gentle.

Waiting 3 years for a 1st round QB in todays NFL is an anomaly, it is not, normal procedure.

Just because Rodgers waited 3 years and it "worked out" with Rodgers. That doesn't mean that if we wait for Love, that we will automatically have the same results..a franchise QB.

What usually happens when a General Manager trades up and drafts a QB in the first round while your team and a HOF QB try to win a Super Bowl.
What happens to that GM if that QB he traded up for doesn't bear fruit?

YES Blondy...he gets fired (for cause).

Congratulations...enjoy a banana.

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April 08, 2021 at 07:30 am

Thank you Stroh for being a voice of reason.

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April 08, 2021 at 08:09 am

Yea...thanks Stroh.
Lets look at voice of reason......

"Rodgers appears spurred on and now looks like he can play another 5 yrs. If that happens Love is a bargaining peice, they can can move in 2 yrs and get value for. If Rodgers continues at a high level you trade Love. It all really simple." - Stroh

So the result...was we lost draft picks we could have used for our push to get to a Super Bowl?

But we can trade Love as a bargaining PEICE in 2023,2024 and get value?

What could we get in a trade for Love...3rd round?...5th round..6th round? 2 1st round picks?

For that payoff all we had to do is live without 2 players, a 1st and 4th round pick each year in Rodgers closing window.

"It all really simple." - Stroh

Thank you for your VOICE OF REASON

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:15 am

Lets say, for arguments sake, that we receive a 2nd round pick in a trade for Love, like the Patriots got for J G.

Then...we can use that pick to.....draft another QB?

So then we lost a 4th round, dropped a 1st round to a 2nd round pick, and lost the services of a 1st round pick for 3 years.

I'm failing to see the "value" in that.

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April 08, 2021 at 09:04 am

It's amazing where we are now, from 11 months ago.

Last year all the Gute fan boys were lauding the Jordan Love pick as Gute picked our next franchise QB, Rodgers successor. How Gute is building for the future, making sure the Packers remain a winning franchise for the future.

Fast forward 10 months later and Love is finally named 2nd string QB, by default cutting a player.

One month later those Gute fanboys are now talking about the value of trading Love...lmao
Bringing up Jimmy Garoppolo as a comparison.

Note: Garoppolo had 2 seasons of fill in duty with passer ratings over 100.
Love is looking to complete his first NFL pass.
But yea...it's the same.

In May 2020...Love is our shiny new franchise QB.

In April 2021 he's future trade bait.

In 2022 he's......Well, we'll have to wait and see which way the wind is blowing, right boys?

It all really simple.

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Nate-1980's picture

April 08, 2021 at 05:01 pm

It’s because the negative Nancy’s ( you, me, taryn lphill etc) and people who think that our gm has made a mistake or many of them stick to our feelings about it..The others see it as changing the narrative to see a positive in those mistakes made in any way possible.. Which I respect it in a certain way, and think everyone should hold their own opinion, and if they want to think everything he’s done is a good choice, so be it.. But like you I’m tired of management wasting years of our hof qb by head scratching draft choices and retaining sub par players, and bad coaches.. Not putting the offensive prices around Rodgers so that he has extra help in winning playoff games when he isn’t at his best.. Yeah the defense has been a culprit of the post season losses, but so has the offense.. He has jones and Adams and that’s great, but they need another excellent pass catcher when the defense takes away those two guys.. But management picks a back up qb instead of that guy we need..Because?? Hell if I know ha..

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 06:25 pm

Wow...i'm a negative Nancy....lol ok.
This post isn't directed at you Nate.

Or.....i'm a long damn time Packer fan who is capable of critical thinking, formulating my own opinions of the reality that i see.

That INCLUDES giving props over the years to Thompson, McCarthy, Murphy, Capers, Gute MANY times when they do things or make moves that deserve props.

That does not PRECLUDE me from expressing opinions of this team, it's moves, it's strategies, negative or not.

The Kool Aid crowd may call it negative....i call it reality as i see it.

I will NOT...stop expressing my opinions, good or bad, so i can receive thumbs up and be "liked" from people who think i should conform and sing Kumbaya.

I'm not built that way...sorry.

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April 08, 2021 at 07:45 pm

Love was a value pick. Gedney was not going to put them over the top and the top four WRs were gone. I'll take Barnes over the one year wonder for the Crows, any day. This discussion goes to the The Year of Ted, 2017.
He could have been a player in the Gilmore sweepstakes to bag your Shutdown corner, but he went all tom bratz and triple-downed with a whiff on TJ.Watt; the King selection followed by a guy who could barely read a phone book much less an opposing offense. The Protege said I'll best you with a Jackson and toss in another college rover back who cannot tackle, cover, or go mano-a-mano against man-sized NFL linemen. The fans make believe it's a crap shoot. Tell that to Walsh, George Young, Gil Brandt etc.

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PF4L's picture

April 09, 2021 at 12:40 am

"Love was a value pick."
Never lose that sense of humor :)

How good would Gute look if he traded up to draft Justin Jefferson?
A lot better than he looks now.

The year of Ted.....
We don't know if Ted was even acting as GM and running the draft in 2017. There are reports out there to the contrary. I don't think it's a secret by that time Ted was 2 nickles short of a quarter.

I'll tell ya what....they went after and drafted Love. Fine.
Have Rodgers play out 2021. Trade him, get needed cap relief and a 1st round pick.
Just end this because it's getting stupid.
You don't ignore team needs, target, trade up and draft a QB, if you don't plan to use him
So lets see the master plan put in play.

Get the kid ready to start for 2022. Lets move along and see what the kid has.
Carry out the plan.

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April 09, 2021 at 08:07 am

Great to see you finally thinking a little more PF4L. Carry out the plan, it is time. Keep Rodgers motivated and have another great 2021 season. Re evaluate....Repeat.

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April 09, 2021 at 10:17 am

Pssttt...blondy
(you're)

Nobody of any intelligence accuses me of not being able to think.

Seriously....quit talking so stupid.

Now, go make me a sammich and maybe...i'll let it slide.

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April 09, 2021 at 09:13 am

The deal would have been with Jax or the Raiders at # 19 or 20. Philly was taking a WR and so was Spielman.
He would have had to give up the two pick. If he thought Jefferson was going to fall to him , he was hallucinating. Ruggs, Jeudy, Reagor, Jefferson and Lamb were the only one rated guys. Jefferson was moving UP boards. Yes, we assume a Gutedkunst/Wolf effort on the call outs in 2017. We know J Jones was Gutey's RAS guy. The whiff on Watt could be paralysis by analysis and seems to be why Wolf was jettisoned.

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April 09, 2021 at 01:08 pm

So your assuming the Packers not drafting TJ Watt was Eliot Wolf's fault?

Based on?

A hunch, a guess?

Gute wasn't trading up for a receiver, that wasn't the plan.
I said...IF he traded up for Jefferson.

The plan was Love, could it be any more obvious?

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April 09, 2021 at 08:23 pm

The "plan" was a backup QB with potential to fill the spot in three years, Dillon a power back we were all advocating after the Santa Clara disaster and a worthwhile three pick for a change in Deguara as a versatile guy in the Kittle mold.

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PF4L's picture

April 09, 2021 at 11:56 pm

Interesting....
Well that plan...cost the Packers a 1st round pick, and a 4th...in other words...2 players that we didn't draft that could have helped our football team (on the field) for 3 years.
One hell of a plan.

I can see where we needed to spend a 2nd round pick on a rb.
Jones and Williams just weren't getting the job done...right?

The George Kittle "mold"?

Makes sense....When Dequara caught his one pass he contributed last season...I jumped up and said....He looks like Kittle!!!...lol

Who knows...maybe in this years draft, we (dare i say) find a starter?

Nonetheless, always a pleasure...thanks for participating.

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April 11, 2021 at 01:27 pm

Patience grasshopper, check Kittle's rookie stats. I watched Deguara for three years for the Bearcats, as I find AAC/MAC conference games more interesting than some of the big programs. He is a dynamic player. If he didn't get an ACL in the 2nd game he would have seen more passes coming his way. Better movement skills than Tonyan

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April 09, 2021 at 04:28 pm

I’m the same way ha..;)

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Matt Gonzales's picture

April 08, 2021 at 07:47 am

Right on with the Jimmy G comparison.

To compare this to Brady further, this really isn't that different from his last 4-5 years in NE. They had been regularly restructuring Brady and converting salary to signing bonus, creating cap space, but also big future cap liabilities. Finally toward the end they let his contract unwind (though they ended up doing one more extension after that).

Being able to play at a high level when you're nearly twice the age of the incoming rookie class is not a given - your body can take longer to recover from injuries, you start losing mobility, arm strength declines, etc. Even though Brady won a SB with Tampa he didn't look particularly "good" for most of the year. His football IQ and decision making helped offset the physical decline, but at some point it's going to start looking like Manning sailing out wounded ducks for the Broncos.

The right move here for GB is to let Aaron's contract wind down, NOT create more cap liabilities should his play fall off a cliff, and then, decide in the last year of his deal whether they really want to extend a middle aged QB who will probably not demand the Packers reset the QB pay scale again with the extension. If they extend him now he is going to want his salary to reflect current QB market value, and that's simply not something GB can afford to do while also building a successful team around him.

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April 07, 2021 at 12:35 pm

If the FO TRULY is thinking of parting with AR12 b4 his contract expires, they should own it and put him on the trading block for as many high draft choices as possible. ASAP - before the draft. One of those top 5 teams that is in need of qb1 will part with multiple high picks. We'd have our choice of virtually any non-qb that we feel would push us over the top in 2021 and beyond.
If they're not thinking that way, admit the mistake. We all make them. Trade love for whatever we can get and start building the team from this new point. Nobody in the locker has a chance of playing united as a team if nobody knows what's going on. Head games and bad communication sink ships. Sail on Pack! GPG

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Duneslick's picture

April 07, 2021 at 01:17 pm

would push us over the top in 2021 and beyond. What are the odds love is a starting caliber QB let alone being able to take the team to the SB.

Love accuracy issues, has a problem understanding the offense and wilts under a pass rush in college

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April 07, 2021 at 01:58 pm

Kizer 2.0

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April 07, 2021 at 02:19 pm

Ouch. And the Packers brass just loved Kizer. Makes you think scouting QB's isn't Gute's strong point.

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April 07, 2021 at 03:25 pm

Where is this "has a problem understanding the offense" coming from? This isn't the first time I've seen somebody post that on here. What exactly is that based on?

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Tingham's picture

April 07, 2021 at 04:40 pm

It's based on them hating the pick. There is zero evidence on this topic anywhere.

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April 08, 2021 at 05:45 pm

That was based on a second hand comment from a scout after watching Love's senior year on video. All garbage with Love playing behind an O line that was mostly freshmen. Keep thinking it was a PFF post that showed up. Not sure.

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April 07, 2021 at 08:26 pm

I was suggesting that the picks and cap space would push us over the top, not love. Remember, t dilfer, j Flacco, p simms all won super bowls. not because the qb was the best ever but their teams were more balanced and talented than the others. right now, we're a little top heavy IMO. GPG

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April 08, 2021 at 07:06 am

We have no direct knowledge of Love's performance in practice and camp. Extremely small sample with out any pre season preparations, so hold your hat! Give the guy a reasonable chance.

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April 08, 2021 at 07:56 am

Even those analysts who were down on Love admit that he has bags of physical talent. Any film shows it. To say he has no upside is factually indefensible.

The question is whether he has the other aspects requires to bring success at the NFL level. Since he’s never taken an NFL snap, we have no idea and can’t have. Even when he does, remember how rough Rodgers looked at first.

Time will tell, but the pick is made and deliberately stating complete drivel doesn’t impress or help anyone.

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April 08, 2021 at 11:31 am

He had little trouble running Matt Wells and David Yost's offense in 2017-18. They kicked ass and are now running the TCU point and click. When Utah State transitioned to Gary Andersen and his Flat Earth Society point of view, things were not in synch. He was canned after three games in 2020. The Love assessment starts prior to andersen's reign.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 06:30 pm

Duneslick is right

Not a knock on Love....but i don't think ANYONE thinks Love is ready...including Love.

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fastmoving's picture

April 07, 2021 at 12:36 pm

"There Are No Gurantees" for anything in life at all.
But however everything (AR play, Packers organisation) will turn out, the Packers will try to do the best for our Team. Just like they did in the last 30 years with more than anyone (besides NE) in all pro sports.
They did so good with the way they did things, they should have our trust way more than it sounds here somethimes.....

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 09:20 am

Credit Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson...

It doesn't hurt to have 2 HOF QB's for 3 decades.

No other team in the history of the NFL come close to that.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 11:34 am

Only Walsh and the 49rs with Montana and transitioning to Steve Young. Lates 70's to late 90's.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 06:02 pm

Yes!!

For 20 seasons (1979-1999) they had either Young, Montana, or both.

In a 14 year period back then, the 49ers won 5 Super Bowls.

The 49ers back in that time were highly respected as one of the best run teams in NFL history.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 07:00 pm

As they say, Winning is everything.

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PF4L's picture

April 09, 2021 at 10:36 am

A man, a legend, once uttered something to that effect my friend.

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing, in our business there is no 2nd place.
Either you're first, or you're last." - Vince Lombardi

www.youtube.com/watch?v=il2YyCTpIQI

Watch - 2:25 - 2:32

I think it's safe to say, Lombardi would have drafted....to win now.

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April 09, 2021 at 08:27 pm

No doubt.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 10, 2021 at 11:00 am

Actually, I believe the correct quote is about having the will to win.....that’s the “everything “

It’s a difference.

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April 11, 2021 at 01:19 pm

Desire, Determination, Dedication...

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Nate-1980's picture

April 08, 2021 at 05:08 pm

Exactly it’s the quarterbacks, and not the gms..

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 07, 2021 at 01:18 pm

I read after the NFCCG, the Packers and Rodgers' team were exploring rework/extension. It may have been "we may not need to, but if we are having trouble with the cap and keeping most of our team together, are you open to a rework discussion?"

After the creativity with Amos, Z, and P. Smith and the low cap deals with Big Dog and K King, having to get space with Aaron's k was greatly diminished.

But it may be needed next year, especially if Aaron continues his stellar play and Love struggles with his opportunities (limited opportunities, I hope).

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April 07, 2021 at 08:48 pm

It WAS needed to get a couple FA contributors to win a trophy....but then again, this is GB, it was not needed to make the team a better contender after the cap issue was dealt with.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 11:37 am

Thinking like a Finance guy, bravo.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

April 07, 2021 at 01:28 pm

It night not be the popular option but I support letting ARs contract wind down. If he's still playing more like 2020 AR than 2016-19 AR at the end of 2022 then they can re-evaluate, but he's going to hit a point where he physically declines - that could just as easily be at age 39 or at age 42.

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April 07, 2021 at 01:28 pm

Oh god am I sick of this topic...

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pacman's picture

April 07, 2021 at 02:52 pm

Agreed - but it does seem like both management and AR could/should agree on how to present this to the press so this isn't the spectacle that it has become.

Or - maybe one or both like it this way to get some leverage.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 07, 2021 at 04:39 pm

Maybe it is just me....but I do not view this as a spectacle. Aaron has already said there is no story here.

When Favre was doing his retire/un-retire theater and flew into Green Bay on family night, MM told him he was welcome back but would have to compete with AR for the starting job. Favre demanded to be traded.

Aaron has already been handed the starting role for this year and probably the next. If he plays great in 2022, he will start in 2023 too. They can keep Love on the roster thru 2025 by exercising his 5th year.

Time will sort this out. RELAX.

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dobber's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:40 am

" Aaron has already said there is no story here."

To take your point a step further, ARod has said next to nothing on this except that one or maybe two brief comments right after the NFCCG. He's a guy who measures his words and is usually reclusive in the off-season when not smirking at Final Jeopardy responses. The fact that we keep recycling this story--and opinions offered by other GMs and clickbait netwriters--is making a lot out of not very much.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 09:29 am

Don't kid yourself, there is something there. but both the Packers and Rodgers learned from the Favre drama and how not, to handle things.

Gute and Murphy had a plan of action that needed to be reevaluated after the 2020 season...for obvious reasons public relations wise.

I still hold strong to Rodgers being dealt after this season.

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Nate-1980's picture

April 08, 2021 at 05:24 pm

“I still hold strong to Rodgers being dealt after this season.”
That would be the worst choice Gute could make, and it will cost him his job..

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Archie's picture

April 07, 2021 at 01:39 pm

Sooner or later the FO is going to get tired of having no cap space. So, I still think their plan is to move AR as soon as Love looks ready, or AR begins to decline, whichever comes first. My guess is AR is here through 2022 tops. Unfortunately, 2020 was mostly a lost year for Love or it might have been even sooner.

In hindsight, I think even the FO would say that drafting Love was premature on their part. The opportunity cost was extremely high as one more big time player could have been the difference between winning it all in 2020 and not. Having said that, I still believe there is a great chance that Love will turn out to be a great QB in the end.

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Stroh's picture

April 07, 2021 at 11:31 pm

Love looking ready is only a part of it. Rodgers being Rodgers for the next 2 yrs makes Love trade bait in a league where QBs are gold! Just like Jimmy G became, but with a higher payout at the end!

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Leatherhead's picture

April 07, 2021 at 01:39 pm

One Day, somebody else will be the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. This season, 2021, the present, features Aaron Rodgers, who was the league's MVP last year, and I intend to enjoy watching him play this season. I think if we fall short of the target again, a lot of different things could happen, including a new QB....NOT because Rodgers isn't good, but because we could use the money we'd save to make the rest of the team stronger.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 09:45 am

Correct....
Next years salary cap is TROUBLE.

Trading Rodgers gives the Packers 22 million and a first round pick (you'd think)

There are a lot of signs pointing to the Packers moving on from Rodgers and that is their right, right or wrong.

Drafting Love was also the Packers right, right or wrong.

The only question is...Will Rodgers allow it?
By that i mean, play so well that they have to keep him.

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madtowndan's picture

April 07, 2021 at 01:59 pm

Everyone needs to chillax about the whole Rodgers situation. He's under contract for three more seasons, so the front office holds the keys. The variables that nobody outside 1265 Lombardi has been able to gauge yet is whether Love can live up to his potential, and how he is progressing in his development. COVID threw a wrench into his first season and we haven't been able to see him take a snap in a live game as of yet.

As others have said, I trust the organization, and I think the "wait and see" approach they seem to be taking is a good one at this point. If Love progresses significantly this year and they truly believe he's the QB1 of the future, then great - let him sit behind ARodg for another couple of seasons and try and win another SB (or two) with Rodgers at the helm before the transition happens. If not, then reassess the situation. consider your options with Rodgers' contract after this season, and start the search for another candidate for the future at that point.

Personally, I would rather see the Packers get an extension in place for Davante Adams soon, as this is his last season under contract. Rodgers isn't going anywhere any time soon.

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Stroh's picture

April 07, 2021 at 11:35 pm

And neither is Adams.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 10:11 am

"Rodgers isn't going anywhere any time soon."

Have you looked at the 2022 salary situation at all?

The projected cap is 203 million.
The top 15 packers signed for 2022 add up to over 190 million.
That's with only 31 players signed, not to mention having to sign Adams and Alexander to big contracts.

Option 1
They can keep Rodgers, but they have to dump a lot of (players) salary, made tougher by all the restructures this year.

Option 2
Trade Rodgers, clear 22 million in cap space and gain an additional 1st round pick.

I see option 2 as far more likely.

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Stroh's picture

April 08, 2021 at 10:04 pm

Option 3. Restructure Rodgers contract next year. It can push as much as 23M or so into the '23 season, at which point the cap will grow substantially. They are keeping their options open regarding Rodgers contract THIS season and saving it for next year! Try thinking a bit more... I know it hurts but try!

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PF4L's picture

April 09, 2021 at 01:05 am

I'm sure you are right Stroh. I don't know what i was thinking.

Rodgers will have 2 years left on his contract next season. THEN... they extend him out 2 more years giving him guaranteed money and kick the salary cap down the road some more.
In essence, committing the team to Rodgers until 2025. Putting Love on the 5 year waiting plan until he's really ready......genius!!

The season where you'll have to give Love about 25 million for a 5th year option.

Go figure....
They are saving Rodgers extension to next year, where they will extend the teams commitment to him.

Stroh...you are a genius.
I have no idea why i didn't think of that scenario on my own.

It all makes sense to me now. I don't know how to thank you Stroh.

Thank you for thinking...for both of us.

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AndrewInAtlanta's picture

April 07, 2021 at 02:01 pm

Can anyone imagine if Rodgers gets hurt and misses a lot of time in 2021? The teeth gnashing would be replaced by Murphy/Gute praise I think. We have both QBs under contract. It seems to me doing nothing might be a pretty good path

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 09:59 am

If Rodgers got hurt and missed a lot of time....

I could imagine a nervous and overwhelmed Jordan Love.

He needs game time, but clean up time in real games, like 4th quarter time.
And not just handing off.

Make no mistake, i didn't like the Love pick over getting other talent to win now.
But Love needs some slowly built confidence.
If he had to go in the fire too soon, that could do him more harm than good.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:18 pm

How much time did Herbert need. They are similar players.

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PF4L's picture

April 09, 2021 at 01:13 am

They are similar players?

Love couldn't beat out a UDFA QB with 4 NFL passes under his belt for 2nd string.

When Love can put up Herbert's numbers in his first season, then i'll lie and say they are similar.
:)

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 09, 2021 at 08:32 pm

Love did not have OTAs and a pre-season. Herbert was brought into the system right away and had a better cast of characters to play with at Oregon. They can both drill the out and both can create on the move. Time will tell, but I'll put my money on Love to be a player. He's no Brohm.

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 12:26 am

"Love did not have OTAs and a pre-season."

But Herbert did?

Lets not get silly and compare Herbert and Love to being similar.

One player proved his worth on a NFL field for a season.

The other (a first round pick) couldn't snatch the back up job from a undrafted player with 4 NFL passes.
You like to ignore that though.

You go ahead and put your money on Love. I've learned over the years to never crown a player that hasn't proven himself, or earned anything.

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wildbill's picture

April 07, 2021 at 02:08 pm

I have a feeling the “let’s move on from Rodgers” crowd wasn’t watching the Packers in the 70/80s. Having watched the Lombardi Packers it was quite a wake up call during those times. It’s a QB league now and it is foolish to chase off a HOF QB that’s still playing well. There are talented QBs in every draft. Ride that Rodgers horse till he drops!! Nuff Said.

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PF4L's picture

April 07, 2021 at 02:23 pm

Listen to that man people. He knows of which he speaks.
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With that said....
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The Packers have already spoken about their plans.
The latest speak was not touching Rodgers contract.
No matter what blowhard Mike Sliver said about it.
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Enjoy Rodgers last season in Green and Gold unless....
Rodgers wins another MVP.
Or a miracle Super Bowl win happens

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Leatherhead's picture

April 07, 2021 at 03:17 pm

wildbill, I'd like to directly address that. I watched the Lombardi teams crumble and be replaced by two decades of poor to mediocre football and it was caused by a lot of things besides quarterbacks.

I'd like to do a brief recall of the last 10 SuperBowls, starting with our last in 2010. It was a matchup of a young Rodgers and Roethlisberger, who had already won two. A pair of HOF Qbs in their prime.

2011. Eli Manning over Tom Brady. We went 15-1 that season and turned it over 4 times against the Giants.
2012. Flacco over Kaepernick, two non-HOFers. We got shredded by the 49ers on their way to the Super Bowl.
2013. Young Russell Wilson over Peyton Manning.
2014. Brady over Young Wilson. This is the "why aren't you handing the ball off to Marshawn Lynch?" game. It's the season of Bostick's Boner, where we came within ONE play of the Super Bowl.

2015. Manning over Cam Newton. Denver had a dominating, #1 defense that season.
2016. Brady over Ryan. We lost in the Championship game to Atlanta.
2017. Nick Foles, backup, over Brady.
2018. Brady over Goff
2019. Young Mahomes over Giarrapolo, who shred the Packers in the Championship game.
2020. Brady over Young Mahomes.

So, it's Brady, or a young future HOFer , most of the time. Guys like Newton or Ryan or Goff slip in every now and then, usually to lose in the big game.

Even Peyton Manning needed the #1 defense in the league to win, and he's the only other "old" guy in this group..

So I'm just saying, we might not get there with Rodgers, or might not win if we do.

I remember as a kid desperately hoping that Bart would work a miracle and pull out a win and it not happening. Then he retired, then he coached, then he was fired, then the next guy was fired and the next guy. QBs came and failed in Green Bay as surely as the snow in winter but Moses was not among them and we wandered in the wilderness. Finally, we traded for Favre even though we had a perfectly decent starter in Majkowski , who got hurt, and the rest you know, but adding the guys like Reggie and Gilbert and Sean Jones and the others made the difference every bit as much as the QB. Favre doesn't succeed without those guys.

I'm 100% behind trying as hard as we can this year. IF we don't win it all, we'll have to at least consider what happens if we trade Rodgers, IMO. For the record, I think we're going to be very good this year, injuries non-withstanding. We've got a real shot, especially if our big guns deliver in the clutch.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 10:18 am

The problem with all that comparison...

Is that there is a lot more involved to winning a Super Bowl game outside of one QB vs another QB.

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greengold's picture

April 07, 2021 at 02:41 pm

Pure clickbait.

The most prescient point was made by Coldworld, in that we can save $20M in cap space by waiting a year to rework his deal. Why even talk about this now, then, that being the case?

Agree, too, that his playing days could end at any time, and I'm glad we have a backup like Jordan Love developing in this system to eventually take over whenever that time comes.

Not disparaging you, Brandon, as cheeseheadTV needs clicks too... I get it.

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April 08, 2021 at 03:59 am

CW wrote "essentially save" $20M on the cap. It doesn't disappear, it just gets moved to different cap years, which might work out nicely. Yes, it is easier to do next year in some ways, but it could have been done this year.

Why talk about this now? Because waiting until next year to redo AR's contract means an inability to bring in a FA this year.

And 2021 might be GB's single best chance to win a super bowl. Or not. The future's uncertain and the end is always near. [Yeah, I've listened too much to The Doors lately.]

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dobber's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:42 am

At some point they're going to need to clear cash to sign their rookies, though, right? They don't have nearly the space to get those players under contract unless they all fall outside the top 51 (which ain't gonna happen)?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 09, 2021 at 09:05 am

The first, second and third round picks will be in the top 51. Iffy on the fourths but if so it won't be more than a couple of hundred thousand. 5th to 7th definitely won't count.

GB still needs to clear $7M to $9M.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 10:50 am

If the Packers were going to redo Rodgers contract, it would be done this year.

They will not redo it in 2022, adding years and guaranteed money. That makes absolutely no sense. You would have to extend it out 2 or 3 years for it to be logical.

Then pay Love 20 plus million in a 5th year option?

It's my belief the Packers don't want to redo Rodgers contract...at all.
Keeping him around isn't part of the plan.

I'm assuming they traded up and drafted Jordan Love....for a reason?
They have/had a plan?

If they are going to use picks for the future, instead of drafting for players now.
You'd like to think there might be a payoff in that plan.
Gute hopes so, his career is riding on it.

As a Packer fan, i wish the Love pick didn't happen.
I wish they drafted DL, corner and receiver with the 1st 4 picks.
This season they'd have a year experience and we'd have something to look forward to instead of talking about Gutes grand plan for the future to death.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 11:46 am

Plans often fail to see fruition. If Love is ready for 2023 that will be the watermark. The CAP will be moving up and ancillary revenues will rebound. Belichick showed Packertown the pathway. The caveat being Rodgers producing a SB win in a two-year window. We will see if returning the same cast of characters can turn the screw and pull off the Big Win, or piss away another opportunity. That is part of the reason I prefer two contributors from the first round this year.

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PF4L's picture

April 08, 2021 at 05:41 pm

I agree.....

My proclamations are what i see...today...face value, plus cap implications in 2022.

Of course there are other intangibles or caveats...like if the Packers won the Super Bowl this season. Kind of hard to get rid of Rodgers then, or....

If Love is nowhere near ready to start in 2022, which would give the Packers another big problem...besides the cap nightmare coming.

BTW...don't look for 2022 to be the return of lost revenue for cap relief. But 2023 will be the start, it starts getting back to normal with the full network deals kicking in.

So far we're returning the same characters minus a couple O lineman and one on the mend. Yes i'm a little concerned.

And i agree some starting talent from the draft actually reaching the field of play might be a nice change of pace when trying to improve your team.

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canadapacker's picture

April 07, 2021 at 02:39 pm

I totally agree with Wild Bill - ride AR until the horse can no longer run. But I am also getting sick of this topic. Of course writers need to write and reporters need to report and interviewers need to interview. And keep asking the same question over and over in different manners. The bottom line is only the brass has an idea of what might happen. And it is probably dependent upon a whole bunch of things. And pullease dont hand me the bs that it is Superbowl of bust. It is playoffs first and win the next game next and play well doing that step. Now Love was selected and of course the brass saw what they thought was an opportunity to maybe get the next guy. The probably played this scenario out in their mind. I am a little bit happier that it was this scenario rather than the Favre scenario - retire - not retire. Maybe in 2 weeks - it might be Jeopardy not Jeopardy. The way that I am hoping for this to play out is that AR gives us 3 more great years and then pulls a Brady and moves to San Fran. I picked San Fran - because they will probably be in the same boat as the Jets. Get one of the supposed next franchise guys who flops. Love is not a guarantee - Darnold was supposed to be the best quarterback in that 2018 draft - So it begs to question - why does everybody want to move on from AR - because Love is a lock??? Pay the man his money next year - if he earns it again this year. It is hard to win in the NFL - it is hard to go 13-3 back to back - and hopefully back again. especially with the strength of schedule ( and now 17 game regular season). Hopefully the last interview with AR until after the draft.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 07, 2021 at 02:40 pm

First off, we do NOT know if Rodgers heir apparent is sitting on the bench. Right now Love has just been QB3 and may move up to QB2. Let’s give it a year or two before the fussing begins.
But what IS true is that Rodgers contract is very expensive and will be for some time.

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canadapacker's picture

April 07, 2021 at 03:04 pm

Bbbut - Just look at big Ben's

""ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that Roethlisberger agreed to take a $5 million pay cut in the final year of his contract (2021), spreading his cash pay out into the 2022 season. The move lowered Roethlisber's 2021 cap hit by $15 million, down from the $41.2 million hit he was scheduled to account for in 2021. Roethlisberger was originally set to become a free agent following the 2021 season. Roethlisberger's original cap number was the highest of any player in the league entering 2021."""

Because that was then - this is now - and we need to keep that in mind with AR.

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Swisch's picture

April 07, 2021 at 02:49 pm

Well, the Packers make a surprise pick of quarterback Jordan Love in the first round; and then Aaron Rodgers wins his first MVP since 2014. Just that result could be a point in favor of drafting Love.
Another point could be if drafting Love helped us to get his high school teammate Krys Barnes as an undrafted free agent -- as Barnes seemed to perform at least as well as the fourth-round pick we gave up as part of the deal for selecting Love.
So that's two points for acquiring Love, perhaps, even without seeing him play. However, we could have used that first-round pick of Love on another highly-rated player, which is a big point against drafting Love, perhaps worth two points.
I have to wonder if the choosing of Love had something to do with the personal dynamics regarding Aaron Rodgers, but it seems we just don't know.
What we can talk about with a much greater degree of information is how many quarterbacks have played at an elite level past age 37. We look at Tom Brady, but he may be the exception to the rule. We could talk about Drew Brees and how much his leadership and experience may have offset any decline in arm strength and mobility.
Again, we're talking about whether these guys are continuing to play at an elite level all things considered, since they are getting elite money and taking up a huge chunk of the salary cap.
P.S. I'll add this note: What if the Packers just told everyone that they're going with Rodgers for one more season in a big push to win the Super Bowl. After this season, whatever happens, we're moving on with Jordan Love or someone else. Good feelings to all involved, including Aaron for his stellar career.
I'm not saying this is a good way or a bad way to go, just bringing it up to add to the discussion about how long Rodgers is likely to be an elite quarterback for the Packers.

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blondy45's picture

April 07, 2021 at 11:07 pm

Do you want to have Rodgers be a potentially good QB for the next 1-3 years, or Love potentially a good QB for the next 2-15 years? No guarantees either way. It is a matter of here and now or the future of the Packers for possibly years to come. Either way we do not need to make that decision until after the 2021 season. IMO the front office is making a smart choice in delaying any permanent binding decision on the QB's future this year.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:28 pm

Sam Seale had Barnes scouted. It was a crime he wasn't drafted by the fourth round. Another case of 7 figure FO. crackpots getting paid to read press clippings from the underwear olympics instead of doing the all-nighter in the film room and actually watch the players in detail.

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Packers0808's picture

April 07, 2021 at 03:12 pm

Best thing would be move on from Love, keep Rodgers and deal Love while he has some value as a young unproven quantity. Lots of teams hungry for a young QB right now and Packers could find Rodgers replacement later on. Rodgers is playing at a high level now why move on? Makes no sense with 3 years left on Rodgers deal! Just my humble opinion!

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April 07, 2021 at 11:23 pm

So tell me, "Who" will be Rodgers (age 37), replacement if an injury occurs this year? I do not want another discarded QB on the roster or a late round pick. Love is our insurance for this year and beyond.

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Packers0808's picture

April 08, 2021 at 07:44 am

So tell me what "YOU" know why we should keep Love when YOU know nothing about, when for now bringing a vet would be a known if Rodgers goes down! Letting Boyle walk was most likely a giant miscue!

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April 08, 2021 at 08:02 am

We need a back up QB, I agree. Not sure I see why Love won’t be better than Boyle this year or at least not meaningfully different.

Boyle was a great story, but he’s done nothing in the NFL except beat the odds to stay in it. We know little more about Boyle as a starter than we do Love, except that Love is more physically gifted.

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dobber's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:44 am

I don't understand why we romanticize Boyle to this degree...except maybe that he was a cheap UDFA. Whatever the case, his moving on was not really a loss. There are lots of Tim Boyles out there.

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April 08, 2021 at 10:29 am

The Vet QB with experience IS a known quantity. It is known that his previous team (teams) did not think he was good enough, therefore he is a retread not valued as much. I do not know if Love is the answer, I am just a fan. I do hope Love is better than a retread, or a young clipboard holder. I do know the Pack is in a much better place with a possible unproven talent like Love, as opposed to having to rely on retreads, or giving up draft capital to pick a new QB who is also "unproven". Give Love a chance. He is learning the Pack's system and hopefully developing. I am not a know it all person, just a fan.

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April 08, 2021 at 12:05 pm

Thats the whole"give him chance", Boyle already KNEW the system and a vet would sure pick it up quicker and not be nervous under pressure like Love will more than likely be! Say it all you want but Love is not and will not be the answer and will be gone before Rodgers retires!

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April 08, 2021 at 01:37 pm

Time will tell. Now Love is the one who knows the system, it is his turn to pick it up & perform. Apparently the Pack thought Love was a better choice as compared to Boyle. It seems like the Pack thought Love was more prepared to back up Rodgers now, with more upside down the road. A vet QB is a poor band aid that only covers the injury, not Love who covers the injury and but cures the problem in the future.

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April 08, 2021 at 05:36 pm

Of course Boyle was gone, Packers can't look bad again in its drafting. Love is a first rounder no matter how bad he is he would be picked. Packers have been known more often that not to hang on to bust draftees to long! Guess is this will prove to be same thing, he must have been really horrible not to be active even one time last season If Love had to been a high pick Boyle would still be on team!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:38 pm

If Boyle was their guy, why would they select Love? It's not tire-kickin' time at the countyfair.

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dobber's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:49 am

I would argue the "best thing" is to thoroughly assess what Love can do in the next preseason or two (since ARod plays virtually no PS snaps anymore)--try to play to his strengths, see how he executes the offense and what he brings to the table. Showcase him and develop him at the same time. They need to treat him--for now at least--as if he's the long term plan because the NFL is a fickle beast, and he might be forced to be the man whether planned or not at any time. But until Love takes some snaps against NFL players, his value in trade ain't nearly what the Packers paid for him. They've got to put him on film looking good, and it will take more than one PS to do it.

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Wominer's picture

April 07, 2021 at 03:18 pm

Good post!

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stockholder's picture

April 07, 2021 at 03:26 pm

if Rodgers goes. take Gute too. Murphy needs to pick Gutes successor now. The Truth is; Gute wants to move on and can't. So let him move on. "All in" isn't French. The Garble is coming from the front office. It's called Malice. Drafting Love was a mistake. And Gute should be held accountable for it. While everyone pats Gute and Ball on the back for reworking contracts. Gute now has undermined Rodgers in the worst way possible. Gute has attacked Rodgers Leadership. How? " His high price tag" - Everyone chipped in. Rodgers is alone. And the sad part is their going to use him up. They want their star to fall on his face. The erosion has started in the minds of everyone associated with the packers. You don't know what you have until it's Gone. The evaluation of Rodgers was so bad. If anyone based this on Luck or a Hot streak. They don't have a brain.

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dobber's picture

April 07, 2021 at 04:07 pm

My IQ just dropped 10 points.

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Coldworld's picture

April 07, 2021 at 10:17 pm

Well heaven help the rest of us then

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 08, 2021 at 04:06 am

I trust it isn't permanent.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 07, 2021 at 04:56 pm

Right...fire the GM that has put together one of the top rosters in the NFL (per PFF) and has gone 28-8 and played in two NFCCG in back to back years.

Make sure to take your blood pressure meds.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:40 pm

Q has left the building.

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CoachDino's picture

April 07, 2021 at 04:23 pm

Any talk of lack of commitment is clickbait pushed by the National media. Pat M business is all about getting players to come on his show. Of course he's going to always tale the side of the Players. Same with the next guy I see with a very strong opinion Ian Rapoport the guy who gets all the NFL news first.

What more of a commitment does AR or any player need more than 3 years? The packers have played this wonderfully. Arod has to play his best every year if maximize his odds of staying on the Packers.

He will be 41 yo in 2024 season, if the gave him a 3 yr ext thats a commitment until hes 44 - That's nuts. I have no problem if at whatever point Ar and The pack part ways if Arod had a good season or two somewhere else. Its ok. The bigger issue would be him having anything less than a Top 5 QB season while making top end money. What's the odds of him being as good at 41/42/43 as he is now?

Slim to none...Age catches up to everyone. Once he or any top 5 paid QB isn't performing in the top 5 its a real drag on your roster as he can no longer make up for lesser talent due to his high Cap %.

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TXCHEESE's picture

April 07, 2021 at 04:37 pm

AMEN! If he's still performing at age 41, then go year to year, or a two year contract. There's no sense in giving him huge money now on the bet that he's still worthy of the contract in 3 years. Hell, TB went for 2 years, and the man now has SEVEN rings.

At some point AR needs to decide if it's money or if it's rings and wins.

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Bear's picture

April 07, 2021 at 06:27 pm

I get so tired of idiotic articles like this. To say the Packers are noncommittal to Rodgers is garbage, he still has three years on his contract that’s a commitment. Why aren’t they worried about the commitment to Bahk, the Smiths, Clark, or Jenkins they draft players at their positions but people don’t whine about their backups or that they may lose their jobs. It’s a team game and over the the years star players have aged and moved on. Either they move to different teams or retire.

Rodgers has a contract and will play under that contract, if he doesn’t like it he will retire. So much of the Rodgers news is made up and people get all riled about nothing.

We’re in an era of negativity and making rumors into truths that’s become common amongst us.

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Since'61's picture

April 07, 2021 at 08:11 pm

It costs the Packers nothing to state that Rodgers is their guy for the rest of his current contract at least. Everyone is an adult and everyone realizes that if Rodgers is injured or if his level of play declines the Packers are going to move on regardless of the Packers verbally committing to Rodgers. Even extending Rodgers contract doesn't mean that the Packers can't move on from him due to either injury or a decline in his play.

I don't see how it benefits the Packers by not giving Rodgers a "vote of confidence", unless they have decided to move on from Rodgers sooner rather than later.
Stating that Rodgers is the guy would send a positive message to the team and to the fans.

This is a perfect example of leadership failing to tell their story so the media and fans are creating their own versions. Unnecessary failure to communicate.
Thanks, Since '61

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PhantomII's picture

April 07, 2021 at 09:05 pm

I think Gute picked Love because AR threw the ball away....it seems like hundreds of times when our young WR's were not open or on time in our NEW ML offense. He must have looked at it as a decline because Gute had assembled AR with a plethora of talent to succeed. AR IS 1:4 in NFCC games and has not been elite any one of them since the 1st. Maybe it's like Favre, getting close and throwing an INT, scenario. Maybe they think he can get'em close but not finish it to win.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:51 pm

He didn't muff an onsides kick, drop a gimme INT, or cover Julio Jones with LaDarius Gunther and the basketball player. He did miss Lazard on the third read off a five WR set in January, but managed to bring them back after 14 points were given to T Bay.

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PhantomII's picture

April 08, 2021 at 10:12 pm

Pretty flat performances last 3 times. Need a #2 WR nobody wants, also. Maybe this year. Defense hopefully is better under this regime and all players execute as if they have actually practiced and want to win a Championship.

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Stroh's picture

April 07, 2021 at 11:02 pm

The Packers are clearly keeping their options open. The biggest reason they haven't done anything with Rodgers contract is for that reason.

They aren't going to move on from him as long as he's playing at a Pro Bowl level. The issue is next year the Packers will again have severe cap restrictions. They will either have to get out of his contract (playing at anything close to last year makes that unlikely) or they will need to create alot of cap space by reworking his current contract or renegotiating.

The Packers are keeping Rodgers contract in their back pocket this year so they'll have options with him next year.

This year and next are going to be very cap restrictive until '23 when pandemic issues are gone and the new TV deals kick in.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 08, 2021 at 05:42 am

The only guarantee there should be is that the Packers will start the best QB they have. Eventually that will not be Rodgers. Waiting for that to become clear on the practice field should be the only plan they have in place. It would be a lot easier for Gute to remain viable with a blown first round pick than blowing the transition away from Aaron Rodgers.

I will always believe that most of the football operations staff agreed that it was time to move on from Favre to Rodgers. I am 100% convinced that MM was firmly in that camp. Gute was around for that transition. I hope he took good notes and has a clear memory. Including that Packer Nation was in full out civil war for about 2-3 years over it. It was not until Rodgers was rounding into MVP form and Favre was suffering his disastrous final season that the civil war was ended. TT and plenty of others were not casualties only because they got it right.

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Bure9620's picture

April 08, 2021 at 06:22 am

This is very much not a spectacle. Aaron Rodgers is correct, nothing has really changed. He gets it. Jordan Love is the future starter..whenever that is. Jordan Love was drafted in the first round to be that evetual starter of the Green Bay Packers. This decision HAS already been made.. ALL first round picks start for that team.. ALL of them. I was eviscerated to even suggest Aaron Rodgers would start for the Packers after he was drafted and the Favre forever crowd lost it. Favre also played well his last season in GB, Rodgers 3rd on the bench.. They moved on. I really do not understand this aspect of many Packer fans at all.
In addition, Aaron Rodgers is one of the best regular season QBs ever. But he is not in the playoffs. He is not above criticism and he deserves some for that loss.

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canadapacker's picture

April 08, 2021 at 07:16 am

You have a bad memory - 2 big things happened - AR played really well in relief in a game against Dallas after Favre couldnt finish it and almost won the game and showed some pretty good skills. Favre kept on playing the all summer long - I may retire - I will make up my mind and show up and I will tell you and then has a nothing interview. That frustrated not on the fans ( but definitely management). They moved on as much because of the drama as because they knew what they had in AR whereas we have absolutely no idea about Love and there is no drama with AR - only dumb reporters trying to create drama and AR being the cerebral guy that he has always been.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 11, 2021 at 02:24 pm

Rodgers should have started the NFC CH game in '07

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jont's picture

April 08, 2021 at 11:49 am

Since we're speculating, how's this?

Rodgers is clearly not happy with the FO and GM. Is it possible that Rodgers believes, rightly or wrongly, that they've decided to move on ('may have thrown a wrench into some desired timelines') so now he owes them nothing and has more or less decided to ride his current contract to the end and become a free agent?

He loves GB and the fans so his plan is to be a star player, great team mate, and all around nice guy (and part-time smiling game show host) while allowing fans to blame the FO and GM for chasing him away.

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Nate-1980's picture

April 08, 2021 at 05:18 pm

Where is this drop off in Rodgers play !!!!?!?!?!!!!!

2019
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he was hurt in 2017.. WHERE IS THE DROP OFF ??? A couple less td passes in a stale as sheet offense under Mcarthy and Aaron Jones had 18 tds or something in 2019?? I don’t see what you guys are seeing..

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April 08, 2021 at 06:07 pm

2017-2019. There were other factors, including his war with McCarthy which went public in 2019. Injuries yes, but Rodgers running his own offense while going at it with the HC. Think that didn't hurt the locker room.

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Since'61's picture

April 09, 2021 at 06:31 pm

flak I think that you mean 2018. In 2019 MLF was already the Packers HC. Thanks, Since .61

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 08, 2021 at 08:55 pm

The drop off is when the Fans switch from Crown Royal to Old Crow.

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 12:03 am

Nate....If Rodgers doesn't have a season passer rating of at least 105, its a off year.

That's what happens when modern day packer fans have had a HOF QB for almost 30 years, it's all they know.
They are spoiled and don't know any better.

I set the alarm clock to Jordon Love...everyone will be waking up soon.

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April 09, 2021 at 12:30 am

This is a terrible article. The author is trying to serve two masters - fans of Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' front office led by Brian Gutekunst. What everyone else outside of CHTV seems to realise is that Rodgers will likely be leveraging his importance to the team to obtain significant guaranteed money before playing in the upcoming season. It makes no sense for him to play in a lame duck year (2021) after which he can more easily be cut when his salary cap hit becomes less onerous (my information is that it is $17 million in 2022 and only $2 million in 2023).

Right now, and Aaron Nagler has mentioned this, the Packers' strategy seems to be to want to keep their "options open" by keeping AR12 around for another season, see how he does, see how the team performs, and THEN make a decision on whether to keep him around for another season or so. This is an ideal situation for the Packers, but why would AR12 want to accept such an arrangement? Despite his mantra that the situation is "out of his hands" (a PR statement), there is every reason to believe that he is going to insist on getting additional guaranteed money BEFORE he steps on the field this season. There are at least 15 NFL teams who would love to have AR12 as their starting QB and they would be willing to pay him $40 million per season for his services. The Packers, by trying to have it both ways, are risking the loss of their MVP QB simply because Brian Gutekunst is committed to Jordan Love and defending his decision to waste last year's No. 1 pick on a QB rather than on a WR or ILB. (Imagine having Claypool on the team last year!) This could well be a case of hubris rather than football logic. The logical play is to offer Rodgers two more guaranteed years (both Brees and Brady were very effective in their late thirties) and THEN see the results. The odds of No. 1 QB draft picks succeeding are less than 20% (a rough calculation for the past five years of drafts) yet the Packers appear to be willing to commit football suicide by gambling that Jordan Love is indeed the next Favre/Rodgers WHEN THEY STILL HAVE A VERY HIGH FUNCTIONING AARON RODGERS WILLING TO STAY AND PLAY IN GREEN BAY!!!!! If you were playing the odds, there is far less risk in keeping AR12 around for at two more seasons than handing over the team to Jordan Love.

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April 09, 2021 at 08:50 am

Very well thought out post. Do you think drafting Love had any effect on Rodger's motivation and following the LAFLEUR'S game plans in 2020? I do. As in Rodger's words "nothing has really changed" in regards to his contract status. He will play this year, under his contract which HE and the Packers have agreed to. Next year, the same.

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April 09, 2021 at 04:01 pm

Nailed it Harold, they’re playing a very risky game right now, excellent post..I’d rather never see if Love is any good than lose Rodgers to find out..Obviously things are getting blown out of proportion in the news, but they sure aren’t giving Rodgers everything he needs in his last crucial years of his career.. I wouldn’t be mad if he demanded a trade, it’s his legacy at stake here, Claypool would’ve been awesome in this offense..I’d say there’s maybe only ten teams max that wouldn’t want Rodgers as their qb though, maybe..

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April 10, 2021 at 01:12 am

Thank you, Nate! I'm not quite sure why the Packers are pursuing this risky strategy vis-a-vis Rodgers. Given that he has stated that he wants to finish his career at Green Bay why would the team NOT want to make our HOF QB as happy as possible? Rodgers had the best season of his career statistically last year (I believe), so this should give the Packers every reason to be very optimistic about his future performances. And as you have stated, it is equally incomprehensible that the team did NOT draft a WR like Claypool to add to a mid-level WR corps. Granted that MVS showed signs of emerging as an elite wideout towards the end of last season, and as so many CHTV commentators like to observe, the Packers had the best offense in the NFL with the current WR roster. But that does NOT mean that Rodgers could not have performed to an even higher level - especially in the NFC championship game - with a Claypool or his equivalent as part of his WR options.

Further, I also agree with you that Rodgers might decide to demand a trade if the Packers are not willing to commit to him to a higher degree: i.e. by paying him a huge signing bonus now or otherwise giving him at least $50 million in guarantees to give him the security that he will be the starting QB for at least this season and 2022. And I am glad you think that Claypool would have weaponised the Packers' offense to an extraordinary degree!

It does seem that Gutekunst has too much hubris to be willing to give Rodgers the guarantees that would keep him on the team for another two years. Gutekunst may well think that if he isn't able to get Love on the field, it would invalidate his choice of Love with the No. 1 pick. So this could well be stubbornness and stupidity on the GM's part that is driving this wedge between the Packers and their HOF QB. And it is strange that Nagler and the CHTV site as a whole is toeing the Packers' party line when it comes to not giving Rodgers the guarantees he is evidently seeking.

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PF4L's picture

April 09, 2021 at 09:28 am

“All I can do is play my best, and last year I felt I did do that and may have thrown a wrench into some timelines that may have been thought about or desired,” said Rodgers.

I swear, i can remember somebody here using that same exact analogy in the past.

But who could it be.

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