The Packers select Jordan Love, QB, Utah State

The Packers trade up for Utah State quarterback Jordan Love 

Just hope Brian Gutekunst isn't on Twitter.

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ShawnO's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:06 am

FIRE Brian Gutekunst!!! They will never win another SB with decisions like this. Almost as bad as the Bears trading for mitch trubisky.

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Lphill's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:01 am

Awful decision awful pick.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 24, 2020 at 05:55 am

I can let the selection of a QB slide. I would not agree with it. But I could let it slide. What bothers me most of all is 3 straight years of trading up in the 1st round. I know there are people that praise the "bold move" of going to get the "guy". That's ok to do every once in a while. But when it becomes a pattern, it demonstrates a lack of patience. Any serious analysis of drafting over time will show that patience is a virtue.

Gute jumped up 4 picks over teams that seemed very unlikely to draft a QB. He doesn't need a QB. If ever there was a time to stand pat and demonstrate patience, it was here.

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Barnacle's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:06 am

The Rodgers contract plus this draft choice do not add up. One or both were unwise. Gute seems to think he is a “gunslinger” GM. The Rodgers contract concerns me the most.

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Fire_Gute's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:03 am

I hope he is on Twitter. Might actually be able to learn something. Hopefully he logs on to this site as well. Here's a hint Gute, half the reason to take a rookie QB is to take advantage of the rookie salary. You won't be able to do that.

On a side note, I guess we can finally squash those GB hosting the 2022 draft rumors /lies

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rjted's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:08 am

Quite gutsy by Gute to use a premium draft pick on a non starter unless you are unhappy with your 1st stringer in that position, when we need some weapons on offense to complement what we have. Might be a decent QB but I don't think a first round pick. He might rank right up there with the Rich Campbell pick.

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Tmoni's picture

April 24, 2020 at 05:43 am

Great point. Notice that Pats and Saints both passed on Love? What I don’t get is the dead cap hits on Rodgers is unreal over next couple years. So why sign him to the largest contract in the NFL only to draft a QB in 1st rd? By the time ARods’ contract is up, Packers will have to decide to pick up Loves 5th year option on rookie contract without him having played. I think Guet is looking to trade Rodgers, that’s the only way this remotely makes sense from a team that went 13-3. Also now I get why Guet refuses to use any draft capital on getting ARod some weapons, he wants Rodgers gone.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:04 am

"Quite gutsy by Gute to use a premium draft pick on a non starter unless you are unhappy with your 1st stringer in that position, when we need some weapons on offense to complement what we have."

Love will need those weapons far more than Rodgers will. Drafting Shenault or Mims would help whoever is playing QB---Rodgers, Love, Boyle or whoever else.

I read some chowderhead on twitter asking who was the Packers last successful 1st round WR. I believe the last 3 1st round WRs they drafted were James Lofton, Sterling Sharpe and Javon Walker. Lofton is a HoFer. Sharpe should be one and would be one with a few more years like the ones he put up just before his neck injury. Walker made a Pro Bowl before knee injury and WR diva-ness derailed his career. Sounds like on hell of track record for success to me.

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stockholder's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:10 am

Who can we Trust now? Gutey is out of his mind. Why create another Brett Favre crisis? With decisions like this. No one will want to come to Green Bay again. Seems more like a temper tantrum, then a logical pick at this time.

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Harold Drake's picture

April 24, 2020 at 05:01 am

Damn right! What a terrible pick when the obvious need in round one was to draft an ILB or WR. Or possibly another OT. WTH!!!!! I don't swear, but I was swearing after they announced Love as the pick.

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Tarynfor12's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:16 am

Just what GB needed, a day one clipboard holder.

So much for my hope of not picking anyone who won't be playing on the field day one.

I was pissed when they traded up to the 5th round for Hundley.

This is the Justin Harrell selection I hoped they wouldn't make.

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13TimeChamps's picture

April 24, 2020 at 10:47 am

Apparently hell hath frozen over. We actually agree on something!!

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:29 am

Bad decision with a perfect ILB one the board.

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chaka's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:35 am

Awful pick. Packers need players that can play now. Rodgers is playing at least another four years. Love will never see the field. This guy is a 2nd to 3rd round pick at best.

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hobowilly's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:54 am

agreed they didn't process a NEED pick. But could it just possibly be the "heir apparent" as several cried out and we repeat the 3 year clip board holder and then another 10-12 years of all pro level QB following Favre & Rodgers?? This would be magical, not likely but still possible. Be honest, hasn't GB been extremely fortunate to have back to back HOF QBs?!

I disagree Love is a 3rd rounder...many would say his up side is huge.....let's give it a couple years. AR is not the ironman #4 was, but is still very tough & super competitive!

BUT, i agree we were so close last year and trading up to #26 knowing he won't contribute unless AR gets knocked out is very upsetting. Let's find renewed trust in Gutey please!!

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:35 am

Upon further thought - I like the boldness of the move. Aaron Rodgers game is in slow decline. Yes he may have another good 2-3 years but if he is injured the Packers have no NFL level backups. And without a capable back-up the Packers will lose games. At some point a team must use a premium pick for a chance to develop a premium quarterback. That being so, better to do it a year early than a year too late. While the pick does subdue, somewhat, the general excitement of this year's draft - a G.M. should never lose sight of a Team's future.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 24, 2020 at 01:52 am

No, no, no!!!

It is not better to draft a franchise QB a year too early than a year too late. Unless you value consistent make or almost make the playoffs seasons over going for it.

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chugwater's picture

April 24, 2020 at 10:09 am

Well...OK. But we don't know how the future will pan out.

It *IS* better to draft your franchise QB a year too early than miss out on the opportunity because no quality QB prospect falls in subsequent drafts like one did this year.

Your hypothetical is not guaranteed to play out as you describe.

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Fire_Gute's picture

April 24, 2020 at 07:24 am

This team isn't going to win games with a capable back up. We're not KC or San Fran, or frankly even Minnesota. This offense isn't doing anything without a top 5 QB. I couldn't have less interest in watch a rookie QB trying to throw to these WRs, especially when running for his life from the right side of the line. This team is built to Tim Couch or David Carr a rookie QB, not Patrick Mahomes one.
This isn't 15 years ago. Half of the advantage of drafting a QB is loading up a team around a rookie QB on a cheap salary. Can't happen here for 3 years at least.

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hobowilly's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:40 am

Geez....it was a long night. I suspect most fans are so shocked that half of their interest in the draft has lost its "air" for the night. As Nags shirt says, plenty of game left. It appeared they could have traded down to get Murray @ 23, but that wasn't a key piece to their board, there was 2 other ILBs available that were selected 27 & 28 after the HEIR APPARENT pick (in Brooks who streaked up the draft to surpass Queen). Speaking of Queen, the Queens (Minn) looked as though they had a successful night getting their likely choice of Jefferson falling to them to replace Diggs and then a stretch selecting Gladney--but they needed a CB.

Anyway, certainly after all the good OT's were gone and 6 top WRs, there was still a chance for GB to pick for their biggest need: ILB. As the crying went on, i side with Maggie Loonie who shared perhaps Love was the BPA on GB's board. I add, it appears GB is good with Pettine's smoke & mirrors middle defense.

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Coldworld's picture

April 24, 2020 at 08:13 am

Gute clearly sees Love as a generational talent that he couldn’t pass up on. I hope he is right.

I haven’t watched Love play, but if one takes the most positive view of him it appears that he could be. The thing is could does not mean will. Had we taken him without trading up, I would still react in the same way. The loss of a fourth rounder hurts and also emphasizes the stellar estimation that the Packers have of him. On such things are careers made and ended.

Looking at this, I think a few things are possibly suggested in addition to Gute believing that he got the steal of the draft;

1) The Packers didn’t rate the second tier first round players as highly as most here.

2) The Packers perhaps see multiple contributors on day 2 as being on a par with the players at the back end of round 1.

3) The Packers possibly agree with those who feel that Rodgers is in a steeper decline or that the cap burden he carries is insurmountable. They may feel that the window is shorter than Rodgers seems to and narrowing.

4) The Packers have greater faith in their young players as a group than we do.

5) They may want leverage on Rodgers to be more compliant with the coaches. Could there be frustration that he is essentially doing what he wants not what the coaches wish?

Overall, any one of the above could make this look an inspired choice in hindsight IF Love turns out to be the level of player Gute clearly believes that he is capable of being. If multiple are true, even more so.

The issue I have is that the odds have that he will not rise to that level. Even if all of the above turn out to be true and justified, if Love isn’t a generational talent we just forfeited a first round and fourth round infusion of talent that we badly, in my view, needed.

I do have one other thought that would make this pick easier to understand. Possibly the Packers are increasingly skeptical that there will be a season this year. Taking a high ceiling QB need of coaching would actually make a lot of sense in that scenario, since one can work on many aspects of that position off the field.

Depressing thought, but it would explain what otherwise seems a huge gamble. Any way I look at it there are holes that I believe exist that I now do not think we are going to fill with a field ready player. Could this be the day Taylor is traded? Who knows whatever Gute will do after last night.

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Lphill's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:42 am

Gute is a boy amongst men, wasted pick , Queen there for the taking , watch round 2 a CB round 3 center , good ole Gutey planning for the future then can always sign some undrafted bum receivers.

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Tmoni's picture

April 24, 2020 at 05:57 am

Don’t forget Guet loves him so UDFA wr’s LoL I can’t stand our gm. It’s like he’s intentionally setting ARod up to fail.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:14 am

Take the name out of the equation. No QB is going to succeed with the collection of "weapons" the Packers have, including Jordan Love. I have zero clues about that kid. He might have the chops to be great. He might not. But he sure as heck won't be great with a collection of day 3 and UDFA stiffs on the field with him. When Rodgers finally hit the field, it was on the heels of a major draft investment in new talent in the form of Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Finley, et al.

Football is a team sport, much more than other major sports. QB play does not influence the final outcome as much as a great goalie in hockey, a star pitcher in baseball or one of the 5 guys on the court in basketball.

Too bad Gute doesn't learn from one of his predecessors. The one that made the Hall of Fame once said one of his biggest regrets was not equipping his QB with more help.

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D.D.Driver's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:19 pm

"When Rodgers finally hit the field, it was on the heels of a major draft investment in new talent in the form of Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Finley, et al."

But this is all with the benefit of hindsight. Heading to year one he had only *one* proven 1,000 receiver, a 32-year old Donald Driver. Jennings was a promising third-year player that had not yet had his breakout season. Jones was a player fans wanted to cut early in his career because of drops. Jordy was an unknown rookie.

I am also just not as enamored with draft position when it comes to wide receivers. My all time favorite receiver was a seventh round pick. The best illustration comes from Minnesota: wouldn't you rather have Stefon Diggs (a 5th round pick) over the first rounder they got to replace him? I would.

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April 24, 2020 at 01:04 am

Some hot takes:

> if you're upset, go watch some Jordan Love highlights and you'll be much less upset - this kid has immense talent. Daniel Jeremiah said he had the most talent out of any QB in the draft. many people feel that way.

> Rodgers has said he wants to play into his 40s. I hope he does. If we someday decide to trade away Love the way the 49ers traded Garoppolo, so be it. BUT, if Rodgers does get another concussion or two (God forbid) and/or decides to walk away sooner, we have an option, possibly a great one.

> speaking of Rodgers, he's always played his best with a chip on his shoulder and a fire under his butt. Game on.

> Love needs to learn and develop. In Green Bay, he gets that opportunity.

> Jordan Love will not be going to the Chicago Bears.

> Lots of draft left. If the Packers make a power move for a stud like Denzel Mims or KJ Hamler tomorrow, suddenly we're singing a different tune.

> Taking Love is the most perplexing combination of ultra ballsy/risky AND ultra cautious/conservative.

> Having a good/capable back up QB is important (ask the Philadelphia Eagles). True, back up QB wasn't our most important need. Heck, it wasn't our 7th most important need, but it was a need - and we filled it, big time.

> The team that kicked our ass in the NFCC added Kinlaw and Aiyuk. We added a back up.

> I love this team no matter what and I'm happy and grateful to be a Packers fan, today and everyday.

> Go Pack Go!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 24, 2020 at 02:13 am

The 2020 draft is a very deep but not top heavy draft. The last thing a GM should do is trade up in the first and second rounds while trading away 2020 picks.

Love is talented. He is big, pretty fast, and has a hugely strong and agile arm. 90% of QB play is between the ears (okay, maybe it is 60%, but it is a large part of being a good QB).

Gute fell in love with another prospect, and another project. The jury is out on how that is working out for him, the Packers, and the fans.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:23 am

"Gute fell in love with another prospect, and another project. The jury is out on how that is working out for him, the Packers, and the fans."

Being in love can lead to making foolish, rash decisions. Gute has been in love 3 straight years to move up for Alexander, Savage and now Love. The first two have had their share of success but so have guys drafted in the range the Packers moved up from. And in the area of the extra picks they gave up.

It's ok for a drafter to fall in love every once in while. The guy that falls in love every year demonstrates that he thinks he can beat the odds of the draft. That's a foolish and rash thought process. Foolish and rash are not traits you want in a GM.

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CoachDino's picture

April 24, 2020 at 05:53 am

Not sure if it was a good or bad pick yet. My intitial impulse is to figure the WHY?
I do beleive it had to do wiith best overall value yet he had to of thought it out and had a plan.
There's an opt out in 2022. Pack takes at 17mil cap hit but sves like 25 mil.
The Packers are really in a tough spot with his contracts as it impacts the cap.
Gute wants to win now and Arod is the Guy
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The drafts not over, there are players that will help the packers. An OT would of been on the bench in yr 1 (Most likely) So it's not Nothing.
To cut it short...
Arod has 2 years to get his game on point so the Packers extend him. They have options now. This was by far the best opportunity I hope the Pack has to get a Franchaise QB
If love sit behind Rodgers for 2 years what will his worth be if they need to trade him? Most likely a #1 possibly even more.
They won on the PFF trade value analysis (not chart)

I have no opinion as to whats best or know what Gute is thinking but I do think I have a clue as to the why.

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dobber's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:33 am

"There's an opt out in 2022. Pack takes at 17mil cap hit but sves like 25 mil."

This isn't MLB. NFL contracts are largely not guaranteed. The Packers have an opt-out EVERY year. Sporttrac puts these weird "opt out" stages into their contract reporting just as a function of when the return on cutting the player hits some standard they've set and when roster bonuses disappear. Overthecap reports this way:

https://overthecap.com/player/aaron-rodgers/1085/

...which avoids that kind of misconception.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:06 am

The 49ers may have picked up Kinlaw and Aiyuk, but they lost Buckner and Sanders. How much better are off are they really?

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chugwater's picture

April 24, 2020 at 10:16 am

Exactly.

Same with the Vikes. They were a 'win now' team last year and are rebuilding this year.

I'm floored by how all of the respect for Gutey can evaporate into thin air with one pick. We may have chosen a Phillip Rivers/Matt Ryan QB to keep us perennially competitive for the next 15 years, but few can take a break from their tantrum to see the potential upside.

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D.D.Driver's picture

April 24, 2020 at 04:40 pm

The Vikings? How about all the WIN NOW! that the Bears were going to do. So much WIN NOW! that they traded away all their draft capital and loaded up the salary cap. The Bears had to WIN NOW! because they knew Trubisky was up for his big franchise QB contract and they needed to slide in a Super Bowl championship before he ate up the salary cap.

Oh the irony, it turns out the Bears had plenty of time before Trubisky was due a giant contact.

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April 24, 2020 at 01:01 am

Initially my reaction was shock, dismay and disgust. Upon further review, if the team can get Love ready to play in two years, the team could remove the huge salary Rodgers is making, but no longer earning. Sorry to say it, but AR is in decline, and the last couple of seasons his on field attitude has more closely resembled Jay Cutler, not Tom Brady. Rodgers wants to play into his '40's? Fine. But it won't be with the Packers. And maybe, as suggested, he'll take this as a challenge, and regain some of his former fire and enthusiasm.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:29 am

If you believe Rodgers is in decline, this move makes total sense. But the guy that threw huge $$ at Rodgers is the one making this call. The two things don't jibe with one another.

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Coldworld's picture

April 24, 2020 at 08:22 am

Well, without taking a position, perhaps Gute’s opinion may be evolving as time passes. It’s a good thing to face up to one’s decisions and be prepared to change tack if hindsight suggests another course. Also, considerable time will likely have passed before Love is ready to start out of choice.

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Rudedawg67's picture

April 24, 2020 at 02:18 am

Why move up? WHY? Seattle wasn’t going to pick a QB. Baltimore wasn’t going to pick a QB. Tennessee just gave Tannehill a big contract. Why? The pick was questionable enough without having to move up to make it.

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Harold Drake's picture

April 24, 2020 at 04:59 am

You're absolutely right!!!!! This was the height of stupidity. I'm so disappointed with Gutekunst. Aaron Rodgers must think the Packers aren't willing to go all in and win this season or next if they're already trying to groom a successor with three years and an option year left on Rodgers' contract.

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CoachDino's picture

April 24, 2020 at 05:58 am

The question isn't if the teams there would take him, it was would the teams there trade out if someone else wanted to trade in. Gute may have messed another teams chances of getting him.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:37 am

So what if they did? QB is not a pressing need. If someone would have maneuvered in front of 30 to grab Love, they would still have at least 2 years and up to 4-5 years to find Rodgers heir apparent.

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Coldworld's picture

April 24, 2020 at 08:23 am

Seems Indy may have been trying to.

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D.D.Driver's picture

April 24, 2020 at 12:23 pm

Clearly because they thought someone else was at risk to trade and move up. Sometimes teams have to trade up a single spot to get the guy they want. Welcome to the NFL draft.

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wildbill's picture

April 24, 2020 at 02:21 am

Am upset about the pick but the most upsetting is trading up to get him. None of the team’s Gute jumped would have taken him. Another Kizer? Or Hundley? One step closer to the super bowl? Sure was a buzzkill

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April 24, 2020 at 10:47 am

I don't see Love as another Kizer or Hundley. Kizer should have stayed in college for at least another year. Then, Hue Jackson did him no favors starting him in Cleveland as a rookie. When Love sees the field as a starter, hopefully, it will be in 2022 at the earliest, barring another major injury to Rodgers.

If Love has to play sooner, it should be in relief of Rodgers. Rodgers had to step in against Dallas when Favre was hurt and almost won the game. That's when I knew Rodgers was ready to be the starter.

Hundley was just a bad choice. IIRC, TT traded up to get him.

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HackAttack's picture

April 24, 2020 at 02:48 am

I think I’m in the minority on liking this. No wide receivers takin after GB’s pick. They can still get one tomorrow. Take a QB with a possible 5th year option and possibly the most skilled QB of the draft but needing some grooming as Rodgers enters next season at 36 years old. I’m not in love with it but I definitely don’t hate it. The moving up to get him is The weird part.

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April 24, 2020 at 02:56 am

They had to move up as teams such as Indy and The Pats were talking to Seattle at 27 and were going to trade up as well to get Love. There is a lot going on behind the scenes at the NFL draft. The Packers had to strike at the time and take the BPA when they did. Great pick. Congrats to those many mock drafters who boldly predicted the Packers would select Love. I should have believed it more.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 24, 2020 at 03:56 am

Yeah, I saw that somewhere. Remember, Chicago had to trade up for Trubisky and TB had to trade up in this draft to SF's benefit.

I wonder if Gute shouldn't have traded up to MN's pick at 25 to select Love? Spielman might have taken pick 30 plus a 5th.

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dobber's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:44 am

I think the price goes up just because it's the Packers.

They did better than that dealing with SF.

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April 24, 2020 at 06:52 am

"They had to move up as teams such as Indy and The Pats were talking to Seattle at 27 and were going to trade up as well to get Love.."

Gute did not "have " to move up. Let's just accept that every draft pick is a roll of the dice. If you don't believe that, you don't know how the draft works.

Given that, he could have rolled the dice those rumors would not pan out. If he lost on that gamble, he would have had 2-5 years to compensate and held on to a 4th round pick to help the depth of a team badly in need of it.

Instead he rolled the dice that Love might help 2-3 years (or more) down the line without that depth-building 4th.

Patience is a virtue and Gute has not shown much of it. His best moves were spending huge $$ on the Smiths. If that's all he can do really well, he cannot build sustainable success. And building sustainable success is his job. It would not bother me at all if somebody else had his job.

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April 24, 2020 at 03:28 am

Yikes.....From the scouting group that gave you Mr. R. Gary. We trade up for this guy? Granted Aaron is a World Class tool who’s sucks up most of the cap space, but why poke him with a giant stick in public? Do you think Rodgers feels the team invested in winning in 2020?

Clearly in GB, it’s not what you’ve done that matters, it how you look in the suite. The sound packer fans hear is Ron Wolfe crying. Goody is pretty darn effective with free agents, but his first rounders suck.

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April 24, 2020 at 03:33 am

Like several of the last few commenters WHY in the hell did you trade UP to draft this dude? Hell IMO the Packers could have moved up in the 2nd round and still got this dude. Every team that REALLY needed a QB took one. Even the Saints who made the most sense for Love passed on him. If you were that hell bent on selecting Love, then trade OUT of the 1st round and take him later...He would have been there.

Love doesn't help the 2020 Packers one bit. Rodgers has been DENIED offensive help at WR and they move up to take a QB? Time will tell what type of career Love has, but right now, IMO this is the DUMBEST pick the Packers have made since 2007 when the picked Justin Harrell.

I've been a staunch supporter of Brian Gutekunst since he's been hired but this pick is impossible for me to get behind right now and it's really made me question if we hired the right guy.

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HackAttack's picture

April 24, 2020 at 03:42 am

Drafting him in the first gives them That extra 5th year option with love. Cheap possible Rodgers replacement they can hold until Rodgers is 42... not a horrible call if they really like his skill. No wr Was drafted after love in the 1st round so anyone they would have taken is still available tomorrow. I don’t think it’s that bad of a situation to be in.

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April 24, 2020 at 03:47 am

I was completely against this pick as it doesn't help the win now mode. Being one game away from the SB had us all looking for some new players that could help us get pass the 49ers. A couple more weapons on offense and some run stuffers on D.

Well , that didn't happen and so far, (this could change) the roster has not been upgraded, mostly because Balaga left. And now I'm concerned how Rodgers is going to react to this development. Will it push him to be better, or will it make him pout? What will the effects be in the locker room. Did this wreak our chances at the SB this year?

That all being said, this could be a good pick in the long run. Love could have easily been a top 15 pick. He has talent. Last year he played with 8 missing starters on offense from the year prior and had a different coaching staff. He admitted that he tried to force the ball to try and make something happen. He was phenomenal in prior years. Rodgers seems to be regressing. The word is Love could really develop with a couple of years as a backup in the NFL.

Rodgers dead money cap hit the next 2 years is approximately 39.5 million and 31.5, but after that (2022) it's a manageable 17M dead money cap hit. Love would be in his 3rd year and ready to go on a cheap rookie contract. Rodgers salary cap hit would be 39M in 2022. By trading Rodgers in 2022, the team would save 22M in salary cap.

I believe the Packers will be a winning team the next 2 years and will be picking late in draft again. How many opportunities does a team have to land a quality starting QB late in the Rd? This was an opportunity to do so. Love would have 2 years of development in 2022. This could be a good pick, but obviously, Love has to be good

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dobber's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:24 am

"Rodgers dead money cap hit the next 2 years is approximately 39.5 million and 31.5, but after that (2022) it's a manageable 17M dead money cap hit. "

Rodgers' cap hit is what it is, but that's already paid money. The Packers incur an extra $16M cap his this season to deal or cut Rodgers, but enough of his annual pay (salary) comes off the books in 2021 that they actually start getting cap relief after the 2020 season if they decide to move on.

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Coldworld's picture

April 24, 2020 at 08:27 am

I’m starting to think that they wanted that option at least on the table. It really wasn’t credible unless they had a successor in the wings.

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Harold Drake's picture

April 24, 2020 at 04:56 am

The selection of Jordan Love as the Packers' first round draft pick is a mistake of staggering proportion. With three years left on Rodgers' contract and an option year thereafter, and with Rodgers still relatively healthy at age 36, why would Gutekunst take a QB this early in the projected transitional phase to the "next HOF QB."

The Packers went to the NFC Championship last season with an a defence that had demonstrable lapses in defending against the run and Rodgers having to manage with only one proven elite receiver in Davante Adams. So one would think that the GLARINGLY OBVIOUS needs at the draft would be an ILD and a WR!!!!????

Had Gutekunst traded up for Kenneth Murray - Packer fandom would be in seventh heaven. Instead, we are collectively grieving this wrongheaded and highly dubious No. Pick for a player who may never start a game until 2023. The Packers have a strong team and should have used the first round choice to shore up obvious weaknesses. Where is that elite No. 2 receiver that the Packers need - and had reportedly tried to obtain via trade or free agency earlier this year?

This is a terrible move on the part of Gutekunst. One now questions whether he is truly capable of leading the Pack to its next Super Bowl appearance. His first two drafts have only delivered a few gems and last year's first round pick - Gary - may yet turn out to be a bust. The choice of Jordan Love casts a pall on the upcoming season and if I were Aaron Rodgers - a man who is notoriously prickly and offended by slights - I would be wondering WTH!

A sad day in the Packers' universe. But given the current pandemic, I suppose we shouldn't worry too much about the glaring misjudgement of our GM. The bottom line is this: if you are paying Rodgers to be one of the highest-paid players in the NFL, then you need to go all in on that man. That means providing him with the kind of receivers who can take advantage of his outstanding skills as a passer. Fix the problem! Find a top-flight wideout to complement Davante Adams!

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Tmoni's picture

April 24, 2020 at 05:51 am

I’ve already learned that Guet doesn’t value offensive weapons. Packers haven’t taken a WR in the first 3 rounds since 2014 Adams. Unless u count worthless Ty Mont. who was moved to rb. I think this has a lot to do with Guety’s ego. I’m so beyond myself I can’t get over another 1st round with drafting a WR. It’s inexcusable.

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badaxed's picture

April 24, 2020 at 07:01 am

15 years ago many said same comments when Rodgers was picked . Favre needed recievers. Favre was becoming a diva just like Rodgers is now. As M&M said "the train is leaving the station". Time for a change. What will happen if there is no football due to the virus this year. Rodgers will be one year older. Father time is undefeated. If Love turns out to be like Mahomes everyone will be singing "Guht" praises.

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Harold Drake's picture

April 24, 2020 at 09:02 am

Dear Badaxed,

Rodgers is coming off a 13-3 season and was one game away from leading the Pack to another Super Bowl appearance. Favre was 4-12 when the Pack drafted Aaron Rodgers and considering retirement. The two situations are not comparable. Rodgers is still an effective QB with a strong arm and ability to rifle the ball when he needs to. But he also needs receivers to get open which is why the Packers should have tried to help him by drafting a top WR prospect in the first round.

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April 24, 2020 at 05:58 am

Aaron takes a lot of risks/hits and Gutekunst knows if Rodgers goes down the team sinks like a stone and he gets full blame for not having a solid backup. Not sure I would have pulled the trigger on this one but managing the risk of the most important position is not bad management.

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CoachDino's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:00 am

I think this tells us that Gute is looking out for the Packers team as a whole before ARs Legacy. They paid very little for him..

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April 24, 2020 at 06:43 am

I suppose it depends on what you call "very little". I don't think a 1st and 4th qualifies as "very little". Especially for a team with serious depth concerns after having come off a long string of very poor drafts.

Being a great GM is not about being bold and aggressive as a matter of course. You have to temper the bold and aggressive moves with a whole bunch of boring, solid choices that don't excite many at the time but serve to form a solid nucleus of a successful team. Gute has shown too much bold and aggressive and not enough boring but solid.

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Coldworld's picture

April 24, 2020 at 08:32 am

Being a great GM absolutely is about being successful. Hit on a comparable successor to Rodgers and Gute will have cemented his position. One simply doesn’t win in the NFL parity world by playing it safe. Don’t get me wrong, this was a huge gamble, but at some point it was coming. It will define Gute’s tenure I suspect.

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TXCHEESE's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:05 am

I’m like most with the whiskey tango fox reaction. But I also remember having the same reaction about 15 years ago, and that turned out OK. I must admit, I hadn’t looked at any of his play until early this morning, but he has a gun. Also looking at his build, he’s really thick in the legs and trunk, not just some gangly tall kid.

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April 24, 2020 at 06:06 am

There are two sides to every argument. Certainly not a win “now” move. Love is probably not playing for three years. On the other hand, the Packers are a playoff team and have a 36 year old QB whom they will need to replace. They will not be drafting high in the next couple years. If they think Love is that guy then it might be worth the gamble. Of course, Gute better be right. You can’t miss on a first round pick by picking a QB when a very good prospect (Queen) is sitting there in a dire position of need or plenty of playmakers (Shenault, Mims, Pittman, Higgins) and expect to keep your job long term. Gute laid his reputation and future on the line. I can respect that but he does need to be right.

More importantly the Packers need to aggressively pivot TODAY. The next couple of days now require some heavy lifting. The Packers may not have the luxury of sitting back and waiting on players to fall to them. There are some players still there who can help this year. Anxious to see what Gute has in mind.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:16 am

Jordon Love isn't the prospect I came in hoping for, but I can't get upset just because we don't get my guy. I wanted Murray, and I'm actually not sure we could've outbid for him because the Chargers gave up more points than we would've. Love is a special player with the highest upside in the Draft. Burrow lacks some arm strength, Tua has major injuries and other concerns, Herbert was really inconsistent and of all of them, Love throws the ball the most naturally out of the hand. QB prospects are to be judged more by their ceiling than their floor IMO. Love's issues are very correctable as well.

I think part of the reason people are upset about Love is because they are overvaluing our WR need. We are getting ESB back, MVS is getting healthy, we have our stud WR1 in Adams, we signed Funchess who can arguably fight to be a WR2, and we still have Lazard high in the mix. We're probably still going to add someone, but it doesn't make much sense IMO to draft a WR2 in the 1st Round.

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April 24, 2020 at 11:44 am

I agree with you re: wrs. Not that an upgrade wouldn't be nice to have. But, people act like a rookie wide out is going to come in, contribute, and be an upgrade over the guys we have. Receiver development takes time. Fans are way to quick to forget that Davante was nearly run out of town after year two--the same level experience of as MVC and ESB right now.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/04/davante-adams-may-strug...

When the Packers drafted ESB and MVS in 2018 it was in anticipation that it will pay off by 2020. When the Packers draft a wr in 2020, it will likely (there are exceptions) not pay off until 2022.

The Packers will and should draft a wr or two, but those players will be much more important to Love's success in the future than to Rodgers' success in 2020.

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jh9's picture

April 24, 2020 at 06:21 am

Although I understand what BG is doing, I would have gone a different route. Instead of using my 1st round pick for Love, I would have used that pick for a player who could help win now and trade the 4th round pick to Miami for Josh Rosen.

Rosen has the talent, but has had the unfortunate luck of being with the wrong team at the wrong time. Have him backup Rodgers for one or two years and see what you've got. If he doesn't work out, then use a high draft pick for a QB after Rodgers.

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Rhythmbomb's picture

April 24, 2020 at 07:00 am

I think Rodgers owns this. They fire McCarthy, bring in a new coach to try to turn things around, hopefully make things easier for Rodgers. His response: Refuse to make the open pas to the check down receiver, refuse to play up tempo and instead run the clock down on every play, refuse to change his style of play despite his obvious decline in skills. And then there’s the attitude. I can’t help but wonder if they wouldn’t have gone after a receiver if Aaron had been buying in more to the program.

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badaxed's picture

April 24, 2020 at 07:19 am

Spot on. Rodgers is a diva and Guht is getting sick of him. He was told "don't be the problem". Well divas who are being told they are he second coming "Are" the problem. He has two choices now. Stop his whineing and step up or step out to the train station. Good job Guht make Rodgers accountable.

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lebowski's picture

April 24, 2020 at 07:34 am

What happened to the article yesterday where they asked all the CHTV contributors their ONE player they didn't want the Packers to draft, and almost every one of them said Jordan Love?

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April 24, 2020 at 07:58 am

They’ve all drunk the kool-aid. Now we will all get to read how moving up to draft an inaccurate, bone-headed QB is a franchise saving moment. I’m not really surprised, though, I’ve had the feeling for awhile that Gutey and Coach Ralph Malf didn’t really hit it off with AR and his my way or the highway attitude. They played nicely-nicely for the media but it seemed fake.

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Harold Drake's picture

April 24, 2020 at 08:57 am

Packers' fans who like me are in a state of shock should reading the following critique of the Jordan Love pick posted by Brad Gagnon of Bleacher Report: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2888381-packers-nonsensical-decision...

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April 24, 2020 at 11:17 am

This is absolutely nothing like trading up for Trubisky. The Bears gave up four picks to move up one spot to draft Trubisky second overall. That's high stakes turn the course of a franchise stuff. The 30th pick is not a particularly high stakes gamble. It's almost a second round pick already.

This is much more akin to Thompson trading back into the first round to draft Matthews at 26 (the same spot Love was drafted).

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April 24, 2020 at 12:01 pm

Like everyone else, I did't see this coming and not happy with this pick. Now that Love is a Packer, I'm all in for him to develop and be a starter someday. I'm not going to root against him. He's raw to be sure, but they have time to work on that stuff. If I remember correctly, Mahomes also had some knocks about his play style too. I seriously doubt that Burrows is going to come in and tear the league up. Time will tell. In the mean time, Rodgers is our QB for awhile yet, so lets get him some help on both sides with the rest of the draft. Go Pack GO!

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April 24, 2020 at 02:05 pm

With roster additions of Reggie Begelton and Devin Funchess there is plenty of WR talent for 2020.

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April 24, 2020 at 09:15 pm

The Packers now have a legitimate NFL backup QB and a punishing RB to enhance the run game.

Rogers will be well served by a talented core of WRs and perhaps be greatly surprised by the talent Begelton and Funchess bring to his game.

The Pack does need to shore up the D line.

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