The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Redskins vs Packers

Aaron hands out the Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Packers victory over the Redskins.

Give us yours in the comments!

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pacman's picture

December 08, 2019 at 10:59 pm

(reposted from Extra Cheese) Finally, you're putting the blame where it belongs. But I disagree with how to deal with this. It pains me also but unless MLF makes AR change, I'm going to say it - bench him. We aren't going to win the SB anyway. There are 52 other players on the team that want to win with short passes - and millions of fans. It's BS that AR has earned the right to be a prima dona. Nobody ever earns that right.

Now since that isn't going to happen, where does that leave us? This is a sad state of affairs. There has to be fan momentum to give MLF the support he needs to lay down the law.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

December 09, 2019 at 01:00 am

The weakness in your argument is when you say, "We aren't going to win the Super Bowl anyway." You don't know that. Aaron Rodgers is the better option over Tim Boyle, so your argument that "there are 52 other players on the team that want to win with short passes - and millions of fans" defeats your conclusion that we should bench Rodgers. We should definitely look for a QB in the 1st Round or elsewhere in the 2020 NFL Draft if the right one is available, but benching him makes no sense. If we have a meaningless game then okay, but every game is very important right now.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

December 09, 2019 at 01:00 am

The weakness in your argument is when you say, "We aren't going to win the Super Bowl anyway." You don't know that. Aaron Rodgers is the better option over Tim Boyle, so your argument that "there are 52 other players on the team that want to win with short passes - and millions of fans" defeats your conclusion that we should bench Rodgers. We should definitely look for a QB in the 1st Round or elsewhere in the 2020 NFL Draft if the right one is available, but benching him makes no sense. If we have a meaningless game then okay, but every game is very important right now.

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Gort's picture

December 09, 2019 at 06:57 am

Did you have a glass of koolaid or are you channeling your inner Jim Carrey

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mamasboy's picture

December 09, 2019 at 07:38 am

I think Pacman is saying that LeFleur should put Rodgers in his place, and have him start running LeFleur's offense and the plays that are called. Not actually bench him. Rodgers being put in his place, is about as likely as him getting benched, though. Neither will ever happen.

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Houndog's picture

December 09, 2019 at 08:26 am

"The weakness in your argument is when you say, We aren't going to win the Super Bowl anyway. You don't know that".

DraftHobbyist,

Yesterday we got walloped and damned near beaten by a rookie, one-legged quarterback while Brees, Garopolo, (a few more) and last night even Jared Goff carved up good defenses.
So yeah you're right, we don't KNOW that, but it would probably be safe to bet the ranch on it!

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HankScorpio's picture

December 09, 2019 at 08:42 am

"Yesterday we got walloped and damned near beaten by a rookie, one-legged quarterback"

That's a little overly dramatic. While their effort did leave much to be desired, at no point after the 1st quarter did Washington have the ball and the opportunity to take the lead. They did not even have the opportunity to tie it up in the 2nd half.

The Packers had more yards passing and rushing, as well. So it's not like they were getting marched on left and right while they stalled.

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Houndog's picture

December 09, 2019 at 09:56 am

Oh C'mon Hank, maybe over dramatic, Okay, I'll admit that, but tell me you were happy with yesterday's display. The full display!

Edit: The Redskins best running back and best defensive player were both on the sidelines, a good team would have crushed them.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 09, 2019 at 02:29 pm

Well, those guys were on the bench because we put them there. Guice took a hard shot to his thigh. Kerrigan has bee hurt but he played until we sent him back to the bench.

I think Hank Scorpio makes a valid point when he mentions this game was over early. After we hit 14, the Skins never lined up with a chance to tie or win. That’s an early knockout.

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GoldenRetriever's picture

December 09, 2019 at 01:10 am

I’m becoming nostalgic for Brett Favre.

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Houndog's picture

December 09, 2019 at 08:43 am

GoldenRetriever
"I’m becoming nostalgic for Brett Favre"

LOL, so are my Basset Hounds!
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Philarod's picture

December 09, 2019 at 07:05 am

This is, at best, a 6-7 or 7-6 team right now if you replaced Rodgers with even a good starting QB.

Yes, he occasionally holds the ball too long, because: a) WRs and TEs don't get open... lack of talent and creativity;. b) he is great at improvising. Still.

As for the criticism about him not using the middle of the field, can we have more plays where the TE simply boxes out over the middle on 3rd-and-5 type plays?

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JamesLofton's picture

December 09, 2019 at 07:35 am

Last time I looked we were 10-3.

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Oppy's picture

December 10, 2019 at 07:06 pm

a just "good" QB who executes the offense, utilizes the entire field, throws to WRs who are open underneath (even if they aren't WIDE open), and checks out of fewer runs.... would do more for the offense than our HOF QB who often fails to do those things.

This whole narrative about the WRs and TEs not being able to get open is garbage. Are there plays where no one is open? Yeah, it happens. However, for the last 5 years, there are far too many plays where the players Rodgers doesn't throw to because they aren't "open", are just as covered as the players on the other team who are getting receptions from the opposing QB.. and they move the sticks doing it.

His "great improvisation" has resulted in a sputtering offense against iffy competition. You know when this offense looked on point? When Adams was out of the lineup, we fed the RB's, and the offense was being executed as designed, no freelancing holding the ball looking for the big chunk play to Adams.

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splitpea1's picture

December 09, 2019 at 11:42 am

Sure, the Packers are going to bench AR for the Bears and Vikings when playoff seeds are being determined....and all because the fans said so and gave MLF the support to "lay down the law"!

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pacman's picture

December 09, 2019 at 03:51 pm

Well, I certainly got people opining!

Some have argued that the game was won so AR didn't have to play better and rack up points. He could practice the other longer throws instead. That's not a bad position to take. I just don't believe it. Even if true, I would rather he do that after going up at least 3 TDs. And just ONCE, I would like them to play a full game and practice moving the chains above all else. This would have been the perfect opportunity.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 09, 2019 at 04:58 pm

Inmates running the asylum. Get two more WRs then you can babble about Rodgers. IF Sternberger and Tonyan can get the reps and stretch the seam routes, all will be well.They have no deep speed at WR. MVS is a one or two rout guy in a hundred route offense. who will handle the power runner role when the playoffs start? That will be the bigger concern.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

December 09, 2019 at 12:46 am

It tells you how good Aaron Jones is when he's the good while the bad is Rodgers and ugly is the entire Offense. For me (I agree completely with Nagler but I try to pick different options):

GOOD: Kenny Clark - 3 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 1 TFL, 2 QB hits ad some pretty good run defense.

BAD: Geronimo Allison - He needs a rebound game, but he had just 1 catch for 11 yards and then had that turnover that was taken away by replay luckily.

UGLY: Lack of killer instinct - We were dominating the entire game yet the Packers found a way to let the Redskins stay in the game.

NOTES: Special Teams play was solid, and many guys played well on Defense, even the depth guys.

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Timeout's picture

December 09, 2019 at 05:01 am

GOOD: We seem to have found a decent return man. Starting several drives around midfield was a direct result of positive punt return yardage. BAD: The sputtering offense. Starting a drive with three consecutive pass attempts and then a punt reminded me of last season. AR seems to miss "a couple of throws" almost every game. Time to abandon the hard count. Too many false starts and not enough free plays to justify doing it. UGLY: Geronimo Allison - He has almost as many fumbles as touchdowns.

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NickPerry's picture

December 09, 2019 at 05:14 am

The Good...

Aaron Jones and the O-Line. Both Jones and the O-Line did an awesome job in the running game. Our new LG is a friggen BEAST...Nice pick Gute!!

The defense...Overall the defense did a nice job. They were all over and around Haskins all game long and pretty much limited the Redskins offense which is what they should have done. The last drive I can't hold against the defense, only Pettine who seems to ALWAYS opt for the prevent defense which never prevents anything.

The Bad...

Aaron Rodgers... I've been a HUGE defender of Rodgers this year and any other time in his career. BUT his constant need to avoid the middle of the field or go for the long pass down the sideline to nobody over the easy completion is really HURTING this team... BUT when Rodgers plays within the scheme or "scripted first 15 plays" it makes me wonder why not for 4 quarters?

The WR's... Look when Rodgers uses the scheme to his advantage like he did in weeks 4 through 8 the WR's are okay. BUT when Rodgers hangs onto the ball waiting for one to beat his man deep they ALL look like they were undrafted for a reason...Lets get honest here...MVS..MEH...Lazard...Maybe...Anyone else...NOPE

The UGLY...

MLF after the first couple of drives...I've seen it for too many games now where MLF CAN'T make the adjustments once the defense makes theirs. Maybe it's MLF's inexperience or maybe the inexperience of the REST of the staff, but either way they AIN'T getting it done later in the game after the defense makes adjustments. I think it's partly Rodgers and partly MLF BUT they NEED to fix this moving forward this year and into next.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 09, 2019 at 05:03 pm

Let the Fans call the plays.

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Oldschool1955's picture

December 09, 2019 at 05:49 am

Arod is still one of the better QB's in the league but his refusal to use the middle of the field and holding the ball for someone to get wide open is strangling this offense. I have to agree we will not win another SB with this version of Arod. Throw the damn ball!

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packerbackerjim's picture

December 09, 2019 at 05:53 am

Good: Fortunately Washington allowed for a wildly imperfect game, looking like a meaningless exhibition game. It’s way past time to put clunkers in the rear view mirror.

Bad: letting the Skins hang around even tho they never seriously challenged.

Ugly: uninspired routes by receivers allowing a mediocre secondary to shut down the passing game.

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porupack's picture

December 09, 2019 at 06:45 am

Well Said, Packerbackerj, I've noticed the same for many games; uninspired routes. WRs sprint for 7 yards, then realize their route was anticipated, and they just give up and jog the rest.

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Houndog's picture

December 09, 2019 at 08:39 am

porupack,
I agree but, if indeed "WRs sprint for 7 yards, then realize their route was anticipated and just give up" what is that telling us.
"Anticipated Routes" takes us right back to the Mike McCarthy predictable offense that MLF was hired to cure. That ain't good!

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HankScorpio's picture

December 09, 2019 at 05:57 am

The good: The defense held Washington under 200 yards before the garbage time TD drive. Even with that 75 yard TD drive, Haskins was 74.6 passer rating and 170 yards. Particular shout to Jaire Alexander for shadowing Terry McLaurin. 4 sacks with Kenny Clark leading the way (1.5). That's a pop-gun offense with a rookie QB but they did what they had to do.

The good, part 2: The Packers took the ball at the 11 with 9:58 left in the game and up 8. 14 plays, 74 yard and 7:24 later, they gave it back to Washington after pushing the margin to 2 scores. For good measure, that drive emptied Washington of time outs. I wasn't listening to the radio call but as the FG sailed through the uprights, I imagined Wayne Larrivee throwing the dagger. It was a nice way to end a rather uneven offensive performance.

The bad: 2 drives that began in Washington territory yielded zero points. Another drive ended when Rodgers fumbled on sack at the Washington 38. That's somewhere between 9 and 21 points they left on the field.

The ugly: 38% 3rd down efficiency on offense. This is a year long trend. They are 21st in the NFL at 36% on the year. They simply must get better on 3rd down offensively. I'd start trying to fix that by taking snaps away from Jimmy Graham and Geronimo Allison, both are drags on offensive production.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

December 09, 2019 at 01:25 pm

You'd think the Packers would be excellent on 3rd downs offensively considering they go up against the Packer defense which is one of the worst in the NFL at getting off the field on 3rd down!

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porupack's picture

December 09, 2019 at 06:39 am

To the packers' credit, they have faced a lot of tough defenses all year (unlike Patriots). Other top teams looked mediocre this week as well; Ravens, Patriots, Chiefs, Texans.

Bad/good: Coaching. Its a mixed bag actually. Some great concepts, and clearly a plan designed to ensure a win. Use of AJones as the whole world knows should happen. But, then, still....the mistakes and penalties. Lack of uptempo. Unable to get WRs either to break off a route that the defense anticipates, or unable to get a pre-planned zip pass. Benefit of doubt does go to MLF as rookie coach and winning the games is no fluke.

Good:
Ajones,
Oline for opening up great running game! and decent protection.
Lazard,
Martinez, (after being so maligned this season, he deserves some notice doing his job,
Tonyan,
JAlexander,
AAmos.

New category: Invisible/ Who?
Sternberger,
MVS,
Kumerow,
MLewis,
Gary.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 09, 2019 at 06:57 am

Gary had at least 2 pressures. One would have been a sack if one of the Smiths didn't get there first. When he comes on the field he's who I watch.

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porupack's picture

December 09, 2019 at 06:40 am

To the packers' credit, they have faced a lot of tough defenses all year (unlike Patriots). Other top teams looked mediocre this week as well; Ravens, Patriots, Chiefs, Texans.
Bad/good: Coaching. Its a mixed bag actually. Some great concepts, and clearly a plan designed to ensure a win. Use of AJones as the whole world knows should happen. But, then, still....the mistakes and penalties. Lack of uptempo. Unable to get WRs either to break off a route that the defense anticipates, or unable to get a pre-planned zip pass. Benefit of doubt does go to MLF as rookie coach and winning the games is no fluke.
Good:
Ajones,
Oline for opening up great running game! and decent protection.
Lazard,
Martinez, (after being so maligned this season, he deserves some notice doing his job,
Tonyan,
JAlexander,
AAmos.
New category: Invisible/ Who?
Sternberger,
MVS,
Kumerow,
MLewis,
Gary.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 09, 2019 at 07:00 am

The Good: Aaron Jones
The Bad: Geronimo Allison
The Ugly: Paying Rodgers 33 million dollars to loaf at the LOS, force foul starts on his own team, badly miss throws, and audible LaFleur's offense back into McCarthy Ball.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 09, 2019 at 08:29 am

Yesterday, I watched teams run their WRs on fake Jet Sweep action to give the 2nd level defenders something to think about. I think it was SF but might have been somebody else. I'd like to see that wrinkle in the Packers offense. I don't think it is Rodgers fault we're not.

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Oppy's picture

December 10, 2019 at 10:00 pm

Aaron Rodgers has told the media in the past he dislikes motion because he believes he can read defenses better pre-snap from a static front... which is completely ass-backwards from what most NFL QB's would say.

It's also why he likes to run the clock down to zero on every single down, he likes to try and catch the defense tipping their hand. On that note, remember when earlier this year LeFleur specifically stated to the media that running the clock down to zero was an issue that needed to be corrected? Yeah, that didn't happen, did it? Why? Rodgers, that's why. This guy is a freakin primadonna. He's a problem. I can't wait until all these people retire and can start to tell the world the truth about Aaron Charles Rodgers.

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cpabandit's picture

December 09, 2019 at 07:53 am

Jordy and Randall, oh how I miss your quick slant across the middle leading to miles of YACs.

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stockholder's picture

December 09, 2019 at 08:02 am

Good: Defense Bad:Offense: Don't like the time used up between plays. Ugly: Officials: Didn't like the calls that helped the redskins score.

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Lphill's picture

December 09, 2019 at 08:29 am

I watch a lot of games I have the Sunday ticket, I see many other QB ‘s take shots downfield on 3 rd and short it’s puzzling but Rodgers is far from alone , also yesterday tight ends were open all over the field in a lot of games it’s not just the Packers that have trouble with coverage , look how the 49 ers drove downfield for the final score. Maybe some people here should pay attention to other games and also the Redskins held the Vikings to 19 points at home.go figure.

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edp1959's picture

December 09, 2019 at 08:47 am

Good: 10-3 and #2 Seed. Aaron Rodgers and Aron Jones.
Bad: OL, wide receivers not named Adams and whinny ass so called fans bitching about win.
Ugly: Whinny ass so called fans bitching about win.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 09, 2019 at 05:12 pm

Fans or frauds ???

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Oppy's picture

December 10, 2019 at 10:03 pm

You put Rodgers in the good. Of course you did.

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Pierre's picture

December 09, 2019 at 09:12 am

Good: 10-3 record; Aaron Jones
Bad: worst 10-3 team in maybe NFL history and showed this playing the 49ers and Chargers. Rodgers against playoff teams has a poor record
Ugly: 3 more years of Rodgers keeping the Packers mediocre and nowhere near a SB winning team. His defense kept giving him the ball at midfield and he should have had his team up 28-0 at halftime vs. Washington but instead he can’t complete a 3rd and 4-5 yards and punts the ball back time after time. He needs to throw the ball quickly over the middle to receivers in stride and not keep expecting his O-Line to block for 6-7 seconds each play. It’s totally ridiculous and painful to watch how long he holds the ball and not keep drives sustained and the offense on the field.

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Rebecca's picture

December 09, 2019 at 01:29 pm

Rodgers is turning into Eli Manning.

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sonomaca's picture

December 09, 2019 at 09:22 am

The 49ers offense was a thing of beauty yesterday. LaFleur is not Kyle Shanahan. It’s probably pretty obvious to #12 that LaFleur is not Shanahan or Payton, and never will be.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

December 09, 2019 at 06:25 pm

The Saints offense was also a thing of beauty against the vaulted 49er defense. Close game that could ha e gone either way.

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mbpacker's picture

December 09, 2019 at 10:36 am

The Good: the Packers won.

The Bad: Good start then sleep-walked.

The Ugly: How we won.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

December 09, 2019 at 11:01 am

Lots of complaining here. It's not easy to win games at home or on the road in the NFL. We're 10-3 and the team has done so much better than I had even hoped for at the beginning of the season. For Pete's sake we are currently the number two seed in our conference. Aaron Rodgers is trying his best and I liked that run he made. I'm certainly grateful he is our quarterback as opposed to the one Washington had on the field Sunday.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 09, 2019 at 05:19 pm

Affirmative. Now let's get ready for Bear Week.

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badaxed's picture

December 09, 2019 at 12:03 pm

Someone needs to sit Rodgers down and show him a film of all the missed throws and open receivers he has ignored while holding the ball too long.
Maybe he would listen to Danica Patrick because either he must just ignore his coaches or they are too afraid to say anything to "King" Rodgers and are afraid he will have them fired.
I know Lombardi would not have put up with the prima donna's antics.
We need to draft a quarterback to give Rodgers some competition and make Rodgers realize to perform or take a seat.

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ILPackerBacker's picture

December 09, 2019 at 12:10 pm

Amazing!
How about posting the names of the phenom quarterbacks who have the pack better than ten and three?

Brees was not sacked by SF. Not once. So if you want Brees in GB that OL stays in NO and Brees get the line that gave up multiple sacks, pressure on nearly every down and got zero run push. M Thomas also stays. In GB Brees gets adams and gang of no nown.

Is Brees making GMO a pro bowl players? Does GMO stay on his feet and then NOT fumble with Brees?

Did you watch Wilson last night? A funny thing happened to hiim, just like it did to DAK P on the MVP tour. He started playing real defenses. The last 4 games they both are pedestrian.

Wake up, try some coffee for a change

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Pierre's picture

December 09, 2019 at 10:49 pm

Brees doesn’t get sacked as much because he throws the ball quickly and does not hold it for 5-6 seconds each play like Rodgers. No offensive line can pass protect for that long and that’s why Rodgers gets sacked so much as he will not throw the ball on short crossing patterns for 7-10 yards.

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rstain99's picture

December 09, 2019 at 12:16 pm

Good Amos Otis, Jaire Alexander, Mason Crosby
Bad Jimmy Graham. G Allison
ugly, AR holds the ball too long

Cut ties with Graham soon time has passed him by falls in open field, Allison is invisible. Use middle of field lousy pass to Sternberger then he was benched Tonyan scored happy for that as they seemed to forget him as well.
One and done in playoffs, sorry

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Packer_Fan's picture

December 09, 2019 at 12:22 pm

The game wasn't televised in my area, but listening to some of the game and checking online here are my comments.

The good, we won.

The bad, in the time I listened and check the progress of the game, Jones was rarely used. The drive just before half was bad with Rodgers fumbling the ball, but was saved by the interception by Amos.

The ugly, after the 25 yard pass to Jones to keep the last drive going, having Williams run the last three times and get stopped before a first down. Where was Aaron Jones?

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Packer_Fan's picture

December 09, 2019 at 12:22 pm

The game wasn't televised in my area, but listening to some of the game and checking online here are my comments.

The good, we won.

The bad, in the time I listened and check the progress of the game, Jones was rarely used. The drive just before half was bad with Rodgers fumbling the ball, but was saved by the interception by Amos.

The ugly, after the 25 yard pass to Jones to keep the last drive going, having Williams run the last three times and get stopped before a first down. Where was Aaron Jones?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

December 09, 2019 at 03:51 pm

Stated this since 2018 season and continue to say this but until LF over rides Rodgers and puts Jimmy Graham's ass on the bench the Packers offense is going to struggle. Now that Tonyan is healthy as demonstrated in the TD pass in the end zone Tonyan needs to be on the field. Graham is a liability and allows the defense clamp down on the perimeter game.

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johngalt's picture

December 09, 2019 at 04:40 pm

12 does seem like he’s on his own f’n program at times. Continuing to take the play clock down to 1 second; 20 yd incomplete passes on 3rd and 4; the absolute refusal to risk an INT (50/50 balls on huge decline); his love affair with the hard count; and continuing to check out of the run. He’s a badass for sure- but I’d love for him to be more of a team player.

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PAPackerbacker's picture

December 10, 2019 at 05:26 am

The good - Aaron Jones

The bad - Holding onto the ball to long and 3rd down efficiency

The ugly - Listless effort

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G-fan's picture

December 10, 2019 at 07:38 am

The Good: Aaron Jones
The Bad: why don't we have receivers who can get open?
The Ugly: Rogers waiting to snap the ball with 0 seconds left on the play clock. Boy, we can really catch the defense off guard by doing that on so many plays.

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