Nothing.

To starrrodgers From your comments it’s easy to see you clearly hate Jordan love - so to you sir I say find a new team to bash because as true Green Bay packer fans we choose to support our team and yes our new qb !! Constant negativity solves nothing on this forum or in life !! Trying to live in the past gets one nowhere as for me I’m 100% behind our new qb-1 and our team even if that means we struggle for a while this team is too great to be down long if at all !!! So to you sir continue to worship at the alter of Aron if you must , become a jets fan if it helps you sleep at nite BUT stop the constant hate for our qb , our team, and our fan base . Change is not always easy but is 100% necessary so please change or leave but just STOP

Did "Packer Fans" say that sort of thing about Kansas State and the level of competition Jordy Nelson faced? NO! Love will be a solid QB for us. I'm guessing that you also did not like RoIdgers, when the Favre retirement debacle was going on.

Sounds like you don't know much about the draft either!

Once again, I am starting to think you might slightly dislike this whole transition.

Bullshit

Despite all your puffery you continually demonstrate almost a total absence if football knowledge or interest in verifying facts.

First of all there are a number of players from the Mountain West that you should know. Remember Davante Adams? How about Brian Urlacher? Josh Allen? Derek Carr? For a Packers DIE HARD, it’s odd that you don’t remember KGB.

Second your “fact” is actually simply wrong. Do you know how to do a basic internet search?

Here’s a few hints; which college did these players get drafted from?

WR Steve Smith. 2001
OT Jordan Gross. 2003
S. Eric Weddle. 2007

A. Utah State

As for the conference, remember 2005? With the greatest of ironies, none other than Utes QB ALEX SMITH, the QB whose career became intertwined with Rodgers through that draft.

They may not have been first rounders, but they were all giid players and other conference players have been taken I. The first, and you were talking about opposition faced.,

They were all drafted. There are more. It’s really easy to find out, but try here: https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporters/murrays-mailbag-who-are-the-1...

You display either no knowledge or no adherence to factual integrity on a consistent basis, only to an outcome you try to justify through any means possible, whatever the contortions to memory, fact or logic that entails.

I got that this Starr2Rodgers guy, who has not the slightest idea of how to use information and facts.
No matter how the numbers are, its always bad and will get worse. But at least he is the first one here to post the same stuff all over it again and again. We have a job, a life and some brains, so we dont spend 24 hour here like you. It would be nice if you find another outlet for your troll hate (for Love, for the FO, for the NFL.....for everyone besides 12) propaganda. This is CHTV and not Fox News.
And I bet you have been crying here als the time the last 10 years that the Packers wast AR prime. I can only tell you that AR wast my prime way too long.....

None of the Tetford/California QBs before Rodgers were any good - so let's hope Love like AR is a history-makers.

Most years, the prospects I covet on video and stats rarely end up at 1265 Lombardi.

Last year was a happy exception. I was a huge proponent for Watson as my top WR talent...and really wanted to get Doubs if Watson got away. I could not believe Gutey got both!

Sometimes a blind squirrel finds a few acorns...

Just like my March Madness brackets.

It’s also kind of fun when a guy is in the NFL for a few years and then GB acquires him, and you can recall that player’s draft profile.

I am impressed by many here who really do their homework on prospects. But the CHTV prospect reviews are first rate, especially how they fit with the Pack.

For sure, but that can also work the opposite way. I really wanted GB to pick Patrick Queen. In hindsight it looks like they were right not to pick him.

I’m much the same, Nick. This year’s draft is going to be bananas. Gutekunst has so many different ways he can work this one, and, suspect our need areas change dramatically at pick #13 = Blockbuster.

I trust Gutekunst more than ever after last year’s draft. Seems he improved over previous years in finding the greatest value picks available, ant each and every draft slot. Not once did I find a pick to be a head scratcher last year.

Hoping he puts a premium on being laser focused with each & every selection, which should be a lot.

Nick, I enjoy everyone’s reaction or over reaction to draft picks. We don’t know how the nonstarters are developing or the plans to replace Bahk or Nijman possibly Preston Smith after this season because of salary cap issues. As one GM said do you draft for need or best player available, who can predict that your current best player doesn’t get hurt and you didn’t have a need until after the draft!

Enjoy the draft….

Just make sure to post all your Packers picks for each round at least one round before the Packers are on the clock (ideally, all in the same place, where it's easy to find) so we can check your work in the coming years.

:)

Who is the best player in the draft? Damned if I know. I would appreciate you sharing. Who is the 15th best?

you mean the playoff Legend after 2011? Or the leader Legend? Or the immunized Legend of the truth? It must be the blame Legend, because it was never his fault!!!

So much Legends and only one single ring for it.....

Again we get it you hate fo that brought us many wins Super Bowl caliber playoff teams 3-13 win seasons —- ya they all stink —- please go root for jets if you think they are better drafting near the end of every round for years is not easy it’s easy to “hit” on players when your team drafts top 5 or 10 every year not so much in late 20’s but go ahead and keep bashing if that’s your thing just do it on jets boards

You cherry picking to distort again.

You:

“Overall, the Packers’ draft results under Gutekunst have been nothing to write home about..."

Rex Shields”

“Overall, the Packers’ draft results under Gutekunst have been nothing to write home about, but he has still landed quality starters, including an All-Pro cornerback, a top-end offensive lineman, and a potentially star wide receiver. He has also found value in the later rounds, which is not an easy feat.”

Whether or not one buys Rex Shields’ assessment, it’s pretty clear you distorted his conclusion deliberately.

Go back to you bridge, troll.

T7. Just no bud light please, thanks

Yup, I am at the same place Oppy and it is a good place.

You just decoded my DNA!!!

I too am totally with Oppy's take. So many college players, so many packer needs, so little time.
I'll put all the time in possible to learn who we actually pick instead of spending valuable hours learning about future players of other teams.
Like Tim B, I will have my favorite beverage in hand - a short pour of Redbreast Irish whiskey.
GPG!

I could learn from you Oppy.

Isn’t Polian the one who,said, “Who the hell is Mel Kiper?”
One of the great draft moments!

Yes! And Wolf’s exit was hastened because he said it was getting too hard to make trades.

Josh Allen, another California guy played at Wyoming ( Mt West); The Carr brothers @ Fresno State(Mt West); Brett Rypien @ Boise State( Mt West). Ohio State has Fields playing for the Bears, after following a stellar group like Haskins, Terrelle Pryor, Art Schlicter, etc.

I didn't know this before today, but apparently Phil Olsen was the younger brother of Merlin Olsen, who also played at Utah State.
Remarkably, Merlin made the Pro Bowl his first 14 seasons as a defensive tackle in the NFL, out of a total of 15 seasons, all with the Rams. For part of his career, he was part of a defensive line famously called the Fearsome Foursome.
It seems Phil had a good career, as well, including two seasons starting alongside his brother, both as defensive tackles for the Rams. He was limited by knee injuries, the first of which came at the old College All-Star Game, and inadvertently involved Mike McCoy, a defensive tackle who would play for the Packers.
I guess any relevancy of all of this is that good football players can come from just about anywhere.
Whatever any of us thinks about the drafting of Jordan Love, we can unite in hoping he is the next great player from Utah State.

Thats funny x24

As a Packers fan and shareholder, surely you must understand that the Packers are a not-for-profit organization without a "greed driven and war profiteering Billionaire Owner".

many wins Super Bowl caliber playoff teams.....only to go nowhere because the QB was not on his best when it really counts, even he had more weapons than most if not all.

Im really afraid all the one and done is over and all the negativity, all the eyerolling and the fingerpointing. The toxic looks and the blaming everybody else.

But I guess I taking the risk and welcom back the joy of football

Why are you leaving out the space lasers?

CPF: "All football operation parts are undoubtedly team work. From draft, practicing, coaching, playing. There was no situation in football in which one man can produce win or loss.

Same is with draft, practice, coaching, playing. Brian Gutekunst is not the person who alone make draft boards for Packers. In creating Packers draft boards there are so many persons you may never think they have any influence. To name few: field scouts from HS, college level, from in building scouts to personnel departmen, HC and his coaching staff (with their vision and requests)."

STR: All very true CRP, but Brian as the GM is responsible for hiring these "field scouts from HS, college level, from in building scouts to personnel departmen"

CPF: On the other hand, when you have CEO who wants to be like other owners and mess into your job

STR: CPF, Murphy is President and responsible for Gutekunst job performance, but there is no evidence that Murphy is "messing into Brian's job" That's like Greengold and Oppy and other Rodgers haters saying that Rodgers doesn't help the receivers, isn't like by his teammates, etc. isn't a good person. is "elitist scum" blah blah blah, when Greengold and Oppy have never met Rodgers and Rodgers, and Christian Watson and Aaron Jones just last month said how much Aaron Rodgers has helped - Watson said he just spoke to Rodgers - and how Jones wanted Rodgers back

Here is the original Press Release of Murphy/Packers making Brian the GM. The release EXPLICITLY says Brian:

"will have complete control over all roster decisions, including the NFL draft and free agency, while leading Green Bay’s scouting department"

"We could not be more excited to elevate Brian to the position of general manager," Murphy said in a statement. "He has earned this opportunity throughout his 19 years with the Packers, proving to not only be a skilled talent evaluator, but a trusted and collaborative leader. His time under the direction of former Packers general managers Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson will undoubtedly serve him well as we work toward our next Super Bowl championship. I am confident that he is the man that will help get us there."

The 10th person to hold the title of general manager for the Packers, Gutekunst (pronounced GOO-tuh-kunst) will have complete control over all roster decisions, including the NFL draft and free agency, while leading Green Bay’s scouting department.

"I look forward to getting to work with the rest of our talented personnel department and using every avenue available to build the Packers into a championship team again," Gutekunst said.

Ball was considered by some as the favorite for the GM job because of his closeness with Thompson, who is remaining with the team as a senior advisor to football operations. But in making Ball the executive vice president/director of football operations instead, the Packers were able to double down on his non-scouting skills and better share the responsibilities of the front office. Since joining Green Bay in 2008, Ball has worked in the role of the vice president of football administration/player finance, though in recent years he committed to watching videotape with Thompson and learning more about talent evaluation to improve as a GM candidate.

As he did in his previous role, Ball will continue to manage the Packers’ salary cap and serve as the chief contract negotiator, while also overseeing several areas in football operations.

"Since joining the Packers in 2008, Russ has proven to be invaluable," Murphy said. "His salary-cap management and negotiating abilities are well known, but he has also provided tremendous leadership throughout football operations and served as a valuable liaison between the football and business sides of the organization. His diverse skills will remain important to our success moving forward, and I look forward to working with him even more closely in his new role."

By promoting Gutekunst and Ball to replace Thompson, the Packers effectively keep two executives who have worked closely together for nearly a decade in their own lanes while not overextending either with many new and unfamiliar duties. They’ve got a football scout as their general manager, as they’ve had since 1991, and they’ve got a finance guy in charge of administration. Gutekunst will scout and draft players, sign free agents and make trades – the latter in presumably a more aggressive fashion than his predecessor – while Ball will have a hand in essentially every operational facet of the organization.

It’s a more effective balance of power, ideas and decision-making, and it also maintains some continuity for a franchise that – despite last season’s collapse – has been one of the most consistently successful in the league over the past decade. Hiring a general manager from outside the organization would have risked excessive upheaval; appointing Ball as GM could have irked head coach Mike McCarthy, who made comments late in the year about "fit" that suggested he wanted a traditional personnel man in the position. The biggest question that remains now is about the future of Eliot Wolf, the director of football operations and son of Ron, who was passed over and could leave the organization he grew up in to pursue a GM job somewhere else.

As part of Monday’s news, Murphy also announced a change in the Packers’ organizational structure: Gutekunst, Ball and McCarthy will all report directly to Murphy. Previously, only the general manager reported to Murphy, who joined the team in 2008 and serves as its CEO and highest-ranking employee. Perhaps, Murphy, who has made the two biggest moves of his 10-year tenure in the past week – reassigning Thompson and hiring his replacements – is positioning himself to be more directly involved in Green Bay’s decision-making. At the very least, while Gutekunst will have total control over the Packers' roster, the restructuring gives authority only to Murphy to hire and fire the head coach.

"The process of identifying our next general manager gave us the opportunity to analyze our entire football operation," Murphy said. "While we have enjoyed a lot of success, we need to improve. With that in mind, the head coach, general manager and executive vice president/director of football operations will report to me moving forward. While I understand this is a departure from the Packers’ current structure, it will serve to increase the breadth and frequency of communication and collaboration. Ultimately, it will make the Packers better."

Gutekunst, who is entering his 20th year with the organization, spent the past two seasons as the director of player personnel after serving as director of college scouting for four years. He previously worked 11 seasons as a college scout in the Southeast region and, prior to that, was a scout for the East Coast region from 1999-2000. Before joining the Packers full-time, Gutekunst was a scouting assistant for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1998, a scouting intern for Green Bay in the summer of 1997 and assisted the New Orleans Saints’ coaching staff in training camp in 1995.
"First, I’d like to thank my mentor, Ted Thompson, for his friendship, and I am happy that we will continue to have the chance to work together," Gutekunst said. "I want to thank Ron Wolf for giving me my first opportunity with the Packers, and of course Mark Murphy for the faith and trust he has placed in me moving forward. And finally, I must thank my wife, Jen, and our children for their constant sacrifice and unwavering support despite all of the time I have spent on the road and away from home."

Gutekunst played football for two years at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse and served as an assistant coach during his final two years at the school (1995-96) after a shoulder injury cut short his playing career. In 1995, he coached the linebackers as the Eagles finished 14-0 and won the Division III national championship.

Ball is entering his 30th year in the NFL and 11th season in Green Bay. Since joining the Packers in 2008, he has worked in the role of the vice president of football administration/player finance.

Prior to coming to Green Bay, Ball spent six seasons with the New Orleans Saints, serving as senior football administrator for four seasons and as vice president of football administration for the final two years. In 2001, he was the director of football administration for the Washington Redskins.

From 1999 to 2000, Ball served as senior football administrator for the Minnesota Vikings. He began working in the NFL with the Kansas City Chiefs, where he spent 10 seasons (1989-98), the final two in football operations as administrative assistant to then-head coach Marty Schottenheimer. He began his career with the Chiefs as an assistant strength and conditioning coach.

A 1981 graduate of Central Missouri State, Ball was a four-year letterman at center for the Mules. He served as head strength and conditioning coach at the University of Missouri from 1982 to '89 and earned his master’s degree from Missouri in 1990.

"Who would be your BAP selected with #15 that would surprise/shock you?"

Hendon Hooker.

Mine would be:

Michael Mayer or JSN...

Jalen Carter if he fell. If he’s not ruled out on character. Unlikely I admit.

Don't let it shock you. He's the best player in the draft.
Does he fit in GB. Yes- if Dillion leaves.
Would we have to Defense against him? - Yes
In fact the Lions won by defensing against Jones.
Are DL isn't good enough to defense against him.
So take him. He's better than Cook. And if Jones is hurt?

"Who would be your BAP selected with #15 that would surprise/shock you?"

Hendon Hooker, QB, Tennessee

Ok, I'll bite.

Before Josh Allen when was the last time someone from Wyoming was drafted in the first round? 1976 when there were actually 2 guys drafted.

Before Patrick Mahomes when was the last time someone from Texas Tech was drafted in the first round? 2009 Michael Crabtree. 1983 Gabriel Rivera. 1981Ted Watts.

Did their schools make a difference with how Allen and Mahomes have become pros?

Dear StarrtoRodgers,

Bill Munson attended Utah State and was drafted by the LA Rams in the first round of the 1964 NFL Draft. That would make him the last Utah State player drafted in the first round before Jordan Love in 2020. Please send my prize to PO Box 114, Two Rivers, WI 54241. Thanks.

Merlin Olson attended Utah State and was also drafted by the LA Rams in the first round of the 1962 NFL Draft.

Phil Olson, Merlin's little brother, was drafted in the first round (overall #4) of the 1970 draft by the Boston Patriots. Prior to reporting to the Patriots, he suffered a severe knee injury in practice the week of the College All-Star game in Chicago, Illinois when defensive tackle Mike McCoy (remember this, it's important later on!) of the University of Notre Dame fell on his right knee, ending his 1970 season.

Olsen was traded to the Rams before the 1971 season for a No. 1 draft choice and additional financial compensation. He suffered a second injury to the same knee after winning the starting position at right defensive tackle, but came back after five weeks to be the starter for the Rams in 1971 and 1972 next to his brother, Merlin Olsen. Merlin and Phil played side-by-side as defensive tackles for the Los Angeles Rams in 1971 and 1972, the only time in NFL history this has ever happened. A younger brother, Orrin, played for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1976. Merlin, Phil and Orrin were all playing in the NFL in 1976, which is one of the few times in NFL history that three brothers have ever played at the same time.

In 1973 and 1974 Olsen was moved to defensive end where he backed up Fred Dryer and Jack Youngblood. He was traded to the Broncos in 1975, where he reunited with Coach John Ralston, who had recruited him out of high school to Stanford and had coached him in the East-West Shrine Game. Olsen switched positions again, this time to center, where he played through 1976.

Olsen was the captain of the Broncos' return teams both seasons there. In 1976 Rick Upchurch had a spectacular year as a rookie kick returner. That year, the Broncos tied the then-NFL record with six kicks returned for touchdowns, with Upchurch setting the NFL mark for punt returns for a touchdown in a season with four. That same season, in addition to starting more than half the games at center, Olsen blocked four kicks (a punt, two PATs and a field goal). The Broncos beat the New York Giants 14–13 after Olsen blocked a PAT; for his efforts, he was presented with a game ball.

He moved on to the Buffalo Bills to reunite with his Ram coach Chuck Knox as one of "Knox's Guys". These were players who Chuck Knox would bring into his teams to provide leadership, skill and experience. However, Olsen subsequently suffered a third knee injury and spent his time in Buffalo on the injured reserve unit, retiring shortly afterwards.

Mike McCoy was the first pick of the Green Bay Packers and the second player overall selected in the 1970 NFL Draft. McCoy was named Packers Rookie of the Year in 1970 and led the Packers in quarterback sacks in 1973 and 1976.

He played eleven years in the NFL – seven with Green Bay, two with the Oakland Raiders, two with the New York Giants, and a couple of games with the Detroit Lions.

What does Phil Olson and Mike McCoy being drafted in the first round of the 1970 NFL Draft say about faith in the ability of large white men to stop the run given the fact that Rich Moore was a bust in 1969? What does it say about the efficacy of the use of the jet sweep in the red zone, especially in the PAC 12? Who will grind the wheat?

Careful Qoojo, you are insulting a lot of Packer fans who live for the NFL draft and everything that goes into it. Most draft fans don't see it as a waste of time to research players and they like to see how their picks compare against the real ones. There is no bad part of the draft in my opinion. It doesn't seem like you like it as much. I wish it happened twice a year. Can't wait.

"Don't even get me started on mock drafts, which are worse than NCAAB tournament predictions due to randomness"

Qoojo,

The objective of the 31 Billionaire Parasite NFL Owners who control the teams and these various NFL media sites and the paid wage slaves and talking heads who spew out these mock drafts is to MAXIMIZE REVENUE and NOT NECESSARILY TO PROVIDE TRUTH or any value. The entrance of "profit" corrupts any offering.

I only find value in:

1) My OwN EYES - watching the college players play college games.

2) Qualifying what I see by what level of competition the particular player is facing.

3) My OWN EYES - watching the college players at the NFL combine and Pro Days.

4) Evaluating individual College statistics, again adjusting for level of competition.

5) Evaluating the NFL Combine and Pro Day measurements and results..