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Surviving Sunday: Packers news, notes and links for the football deprived

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Surviving Sunday: Packers news, notes and links for the football deprived

With Packers minicamp now finished, prepare to enter the true dog days of the offseason. Also, prepare for noting but manufactured "news" stories and pointless speculation, much of which you can read right here at CheeseheadTV!

Before the dog days get too mind-numbing, lets try and determine who the top 5 most important players are to the Packers at this particular moment. When training and the exhibition season begins, this list will likely change based on injuries and how various players look in camp. But as of now here's my top 5 (excluding Aaron Rodgers, because, obviously, he will always be at the top of the list):

LT David Bakhtiari
Remember how amazing it was watching Rodgers operate behind a healthy and high-performing offensive line in 2014? I miss those days. Bakhtiari didn't play poorly last season, but I think even he would tell you he didn't progress like he would have liked. If Bakhtiari can cut down on penalties, tighten up his pass-blocking a bit and stay healthy, this o-line could be dangerous again (and Bakhtiari will become a rich man in free agency). 

WR Jordy Nelson
Oh Jordy, we didn't realize how lucky we were to have you until you hurt yourself. The Packers offense had more issues than simply missing Nelson last season, but there's no more doubting Nelson's importance after the Packers struggled so badly in his absence.

OLB Clay Matthews
I still contend Matthews should not be used strictly as an outside pass rusher. When he rushed from the outside last season, I saw too many times where he simply crashed into a larger offensive tackle and got stonewalled. At this stage of his career, I think Matthews is best used as a piece to move around the front seven, sometimes lining up inside, sometimes outside. But since it appears he'll remain on the outside this season, he needs to step up. Do we really want to rely on Nick Perry and Datone Jones to apply pressure from the edge?

CB Quinten Rollins
The Packers let a solid slot cornerback walk in free agency in Casey Hayward. Time for Rollins to not only fill the void, but develop that same nose for the ball that Hayward had during his rookie season where he picked off six passes. Plus with the Packers sole reliance on the draft to build their roster, it's essential that players like Rollins make the leap from year one to year two.

DL Mike Daniels
The Packers are a bit thin on the defensive line. Daniels can help cover that up by being his usual dominant self.

With the exception of Rollins, my top 5 are veteran players. Rest assured, some other younger player will kick one of the veterans off the list by the first exhibition game.

Packers news, notes and links

  • Can we at least wait until training camp before starting in with the Jeff Janis-Aaron Rodgers trust stories?
  • Mike McCarthy says he supports the idea of going for a 2-point conversion after every touchdown. Um, Mike...you had a chance to actually put that theory into practice in the playoff loss to Arizona and you chose to kick the extra point and play for a tie instead. The conservatism of NFL coaches knows no bounds.
  • Alex at Packerstalk.com wonders aloud if the Packers offense is a juggernaut. It seems like it should be. Rodgers, Lacy, Nelson, a veteran offensive line have plenty of talent to be a powerhouse. We'll see if it all comes together and if injuries are manageable. 
  • Freddie at LombardiAve.com says it's time to get behind Davante Adams. I think we're all behind Adams, we just want him to play better.
  • If you're looking for another Packers podcast to add to your listening collection, the Acme Packing Company (APC) Pod is a good one. This week featured Tex talking about Brett Hundley's play in minicamp.

Non-Packers links and other nonsense

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Bearmeat's picture

Your caring bridge post last Thursday wasn't crabby. It was authentic. Whatever administrator of public spin at MD Anderson thought it was a good idea to make smiling happy faces from all walks of life the dominant theme of every page of their frigging website, when their business is centered around very sick people should be smacked.

And your list is good. But because of Spriggs I'd replace Bakh with HHCD or Lacy.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I'm thinking this is the year HHCD makes the Pro Bowl or at least is seriously considered.

Nick Perry's picture

I completely agree with Adams thoughts on Matthews, just look at his stats for the first 8 games of 2014 and the 8 games after the move inside. Matthews had 2.5 sacks while playing only outside, after the switch he had 8.5 in the final 8 games and 1 more in the Postseason. Clay is much more productive when moved around. If Perry, Jones, and others at the LB Position stay healthy this year the Packers should be able to send a rotation of players to pressure the QB.

Rollins was actually my Favorite pick between Randell and Rollins last season. This kid is just going to get better and better. Rollins posted the 4th best QB rating when throwing against him in the NFL Last season, obviously a reason to be optimistic. Plus Rollins is a good physical tackler, this secondary is going to be good this year.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-cornerback-groups/

I'd definitely add Eddie Lacy to the list too. With Eddie in the shape he was last year it surely didn't help the passing game. Hope Eddie visits with Tony Horton again before TC.

Keep it up Adam, 11 rounds of Chemo and you're still here for us every Sunday, even after Chemo where I'm sure you're not feeling the best...Awesome!

Tundraboy's picture

Agree NP on all points. Matthews in particular, he still has a lot of speed but on outside it is negated to a large degree as he is often set up so that he runs himself out the play. Last year illustrated how that speed is better utilized in the middle. And by lining him up anywhere.

Nick Perry's picture

Yup and I think were going to see more movement among all the LB'ers this season. Ryan played some OLB at Michigan and Fackrell could really line up at ILB or OLB. The Packers look like they have some options this season to move guys around a little more.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Articles on Janis and the trust issue are like this clip from Bill Burr (at the 57 second mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsWY6BOIO9I

WKUPackFan's picture

I have the OJ documentary on my DVR. Allegedly it also explores racial relations in the late 60s as well as other issues, in addition to the trial. With Ali's passing still fresh on the conscious, at least here in Louisville, it seems like something to at least check out,. Things were pretty crazy back in 1968: The Chicago convention, MLK and RFK assassinated, Vietnam, etc. I can still remember the scenes from the hotel where Robert Kennedy was killed,. Rosie Greer (sp?) was part of RFK's entourage, if I recall correctly.

Tundraboy's picture

Watched some of it, OJ back at USC, the 60s angle was a welcome addition. Those of us who lived through the late 60s know what a historical period it was and those who didnt can gain an appreciation of how it changed this Country. Worth watching after Game of Thrones and NBA game 7 are over.

Rossonero's picture

I don't blame you for being salty about the smiling photos, sometimes you just gotta vent. Like you said, they are survivors and someday you'll be smiling as well. Here's hoping that Thursday goes well.

I read the Janis article on the link. While that storyline gets stale, I didn't realize that after the Arizona game he had bad back pain and was wrapped in ice. It didn't sound serious and perhaps was just a precaution after he landed after making those big catches, but back injuries are nothing to mess with. My guess is it was just muscular and not a herniated disc, so that's a good sign.

Agreed on Matthews. I'd prefer McCarthy not telegraph so openly how he's going to use Matthews. I'd rather him moving around and keeping the offense guessing.

Tarynfor12's picture

" Do we really want to rely on Nick Perry and Datone Jones to apply pressure from the edge?"

I can imagine the wrath that would befall me had I said this. Wait, I have many times. I'll just sit back and watch how this plays out. : )

ray nichkee's picture

We know you'll be there to say I told you so when kyler fackrell kicks some ass.

Tarynfor12's picture

I only stand up for my thoughts and hardly ever rub salt in a wound...unless extremely provoked. Which I'm sure those who do are ready to appear, right Ray. : )

Teflon Ted's picture

Taryn, no worries. I'll stand up for you and your thoughts.

Ted

Tarynfor12's picture

Please don't !

Teflon Ted's picture

Stroh, if you ever need some backing as far as leaving here is concerned, I'll be here for you to help you in any way I can. Just say the word. That goes for the rest of your I.D's you have have here as well.

Ted

dobber's picture

He's not Batman, Ted...

Jersey Al's picture

Ted, if you're going to start this bullshit again, you're going to be banned again. This is you're only warning.

Teflon Ted's picture

I just saw this right now. If I get banned than you better ban Stroh aka DesertPackfan. I was shocked and horrifed when I saw you allowed him back here Al. He's been banned over 7 times and you always let him back. Why? If you notice every little flare up he's smack dab in the middle of it with his innocent hands up in the air and a smirk on his face. You ban me you ban Stroh. I've had it with how he treats people here. Did you not see how he attacked Dre yesterday? That pisses me off. Believe it or not I'm one of the good guys here. I like to joke around and have some fun from time to time. If you feel the need to ban me that is fine but again you better take Stroh off here as well. Fair is fair.

Jersey Al's picture

How about if you just worry about yourself. Stroh has been banned here before and might be again, but in a lot of cases you start the ball rolling by focusing your comments on another commenter rather than the article or the Packers. I'm tired of this juvenile antagonistic name calling shit and I'm not going to accept it here any longer. So decide for yourself if you're capable of focusing your comments on the reason we are all here - the Packers. I'll be watching.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Please just end it. There is no reason to think this guy is going to change.

Teflon Ted's picture

lol..Holy Fackerell Batman!! You try to help people and they don't even want it. Ok Taryn, I understand you have pride. Continue to get beaten down by these men here. If you change your mind, let me know. I'll be here for you always.

Ted

dobber's picture

Most people here don't measure their value or self-worth based on ups or downs...

ray nichkee's picture

No need to be like that, I was just pointing out your love for him. I'm glad he's on the team and he was a great value pick. You sound kind of salty. There was nothing wrong with what i said, it's the truth.

Teflon Ted's picture

Funny how just yesterday you claim you never talk to Taryn now all of a sudden when Drea called you out with your numerious I.D's you and Taryn are suddenly talking up a storm. Stroh, you make this so easy I swear.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Come on,Ted. Please don't bring me into any nonsense.

Tarynfor12's picture

Before Perry was drafted and most seemed enamored with him becoming the outside linebacker they envisioned I stood firm against and have since. I have also said that I hope and would welcome being wrong. As yet, that has not happened and it would now take more than one season of success, depending on how low a bar is deemed as such, to offset the previous 4 years of failure, which of coarse is again dependent on how high a bar is set to accept failure.
The sack total of Perry being applauded would be based on how and why. Because of others, scheme, opponents and via his own development of pass rush moves that have been missing.
Signing him again cannot be based solely on a Stat number but all the other criteria as well.
Whatever helps the Packers win is great but vigilance against blind homer-ism is a must. : )

Bearmeat's picture

She is telling the truth. She's disliked the Perry and Datone picks from the beginning. And she's been right. :(

Tarynfor12's picture

Thank you Bearmeat, however I now expect the rantings of another to accuse me , you and other (s) of replying to our selfs as being one in the same. 1....2....3.... : )

Teflon Ted's picture

Taryn, Drea has since walked back the comments about you, Bearmeat, Nick and Rc being Stroh so apparently the charges are dropped.

Tarynfor12's picture

A question if I may....Did you have aspirations of being a comedic imitator since you yourself don the masks of many but failed and now find self applauded success in the world of many who also mask their true selfs. : )

Teflon Ted's picture

Yes Taryn, I did. Now I have a question for you as you also don a mask. I am going to give you a list of five different women and tell me which one you relate too the most. That will better help me understand you going forward.

1. Rosie O' Donnell
2. Ellen Degeneres
3. Bernie Sander's wife
4. Melania Trump
5. Bruce Jenner

Bearmeat's picture

Teflon (Donald Trumps), DPF (Stroh), Drea and occasionally Taryn:

We can agree to disagree without slandering other people. We're all Packer die-hards here, and I'd like to think that CHTV is nothing more than a cyber-bar located somewhere on the side of the road between Wausau and Titletown.

Please be respectful of each other.

Teflon Ted's picture

Ah Bearmeat, you are speaking to the wrong person here. I am not slandering anybody. I merely am trying to figure out if Taryn is a man or woman or both. By her answering my question on what type of woman/man he/she relates too on the list, I'll have a 100% understanding of who he/she is and that in itself will go a long ways toward improving my relations with him/her/both.

dobber's picture

" I merely am trying to figure out if Taryn is a man or woman or both. "

W...T...F???

Tarynfor12's picture

You have been trying to associate me with to Bruce Jenner as you have called me Caitlin often. Whatever makes your day in the world you live in. As for your inference, what and why does is matter to you?
I have no need to relate to anyone, unlike you apparently, for I am my own person period. Even if I did relate to Bruce/Caitlin, I would feel no more the urgency to scream it aloud nor give a shit what any one thought about it for I would still be my own person unlike you, a copycat wannabe for life.

Teflon Ted's picture

Thank you Taryn for your kind and respectful reply to my question. I have my answer now. I know who you focused on and that is fine. At least I know now so I have no problems with any of your answers. I just wanted to know. By not answering you answered my question. Again, I am cool with it. On to Packer news. This is officially closed.

Tarynfor12's picture

The best way to close the door on you is to allow you to make up your own answer which is what you would have done if I actually gave a direct answer and have done prior to even asking it.
I do believe that those who are obsessed with another's gender is most likely to be in serious qrappling of theirs. Rest assured that I will never ask nor hold your choice against you or use it as fodder for mere sake of making myself seem relevant on the Internet or elsewhere. : )

Teflon Ted's picture

Daryn, did you not read what Bearmeat said. He said to knock off the slandering and yes he was pointing his finger at you. Just drop your act already and lets get back to football ok? So what do you think about Rollins this year?

Teflon Ted's picture

Ooops. I meant to say Taryn not Daryn. Damn keyboard. Sorry about that.

dobber's picture

"Teflon (Donald Trumps), DPF (Stroh), Drea and occasionally Taryn:"

I don't think this indicates that Taryn is the primary recipient of that pointy finger, Ted.

Bearmeat's picture

No she certainly wasn't. And it wasn't my intent to "pointy finger" anyone at all. Just to remind several (including myself FWIW) from yesterday's poo-flinging-festival that we're all fans here.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Lol, that's what I like about Taryn's posts. At least she's consistent with the shots. The shots don't come off as hate -- at least to me they don't.

Tarynfor12's picture

I belive you have said Matthews needs to be the left outside linebacker and Perry since his drafting the right outside linebacker. Which would than predicate Perry to be the better pass rusher under the normal thinking. Perry, even as over rated as an edge setter on the left does not offset the failure of his draft intentions. Perry's best weapon is his little better than average chance of success in use against inferior offensive lines or getting a sack as an unblocked rusher by design, or after the QB has been chased into his arms. This however does not dismiss the overall fail based on his 4 years in or garner serious hope he will change this season of prove it.
Proof is in the pudding and this pudding is made and done. Though the occasional blind squirrel nut can be mixed in by accident.
For the Packers sake I hope he explodes on the field via whatever reason. : )

4thand1's picture

Is it still acceptable to use "you suck", if not I'll refrain from it. Adam you definitely don't suck. You're an inspiration to everyone you know, especially in here.

Nick Perry's picture

I don't know Taryn, I was encouraged by last years play in the Playoffs. He handled Trent Williams pretty well, one of the better LT in the NFL and played well in Arizona too. He's finally healthy and hopefully he'll stay that way. Perry has always been pretty good against the run so he has a good chance to put it all together this year.

My hope is that it isn't "Blind-Homer-ism either. : )

Nick Perry's picture

Yup you're right about that, and I didn't see you had said somewhat the same thing earlier in the day. Trying to get past all the Teflon Ted comments I guess I missed it.

dobber's picture

Health is so important. I'm reminded of a young Paul Molitor who couldn't stay healthy with the Brewers. Then, when he had a position change and good health (related? Could be...), his already bright star took off.

Now, I'm not saying that Nick Perry (the player, not the blog poster) has a "bright star" kind of career so far, but you never know how someone turns a corner in health and things take off. It happens all the time.

ray nichkee's picture

I totally agree about Matthews. I'm pretty sure Capers will mix it up good with formations before and during the snap count. This could be exciting. This is the most promising group in a long time. DL is the biggest question right now.

Tundraboy's picture

Keep hanging in there Adam. Better days are ahead.

dobber's picture

"Round 11 of chemotherapy starts on Thursday. Yippee. I put up a crabby Caring Bridge post earlier this week as well. "

I think you've earned that right. Keep on keepin' on!

DrealynWilliams's picture

I think the decision to go for 2 would come down to how the Defense looks more than the percentage of the Offense being successful.

(more) Resemblance of 2013 - definitely go for 2.

(more) Resemblance of 2010 - No need.

Denver's picture

Watched all of the OJ 30 for 30...thought it was excellent and highly recommend it. The interviews with a couple of the jurors were outstanding.
And I still wish they had gone for 2....

ray nichkee's picture

Adam clearly states hayward was the best slot cornerback. I've read too quickly too and I'm sure I'll do it again.

ray nichkee's picture

Ok, my bad.

Nick Perry's picture

Agree on all points D Thomas. I'm new to PFF, I never really read it much but some like it here and some don't. I think where they have them ranked is about right until we see what Rollins, Randell, and Gunter do. I really like the Packers secondary this year though someone will need to step up for depth. Sam S doesn't seem to get through a whole season very often.

dobber's picture

A few bloggers have been raving about Gunter during this pre-preseason workout schedule. They say he's been in the right place, knows his assignments, and has always had a knack for playing physical.

I'll admit to being one that was particularly concerned about Hayward's departure and the lack of "experienced" CBs on the Packer roster, but I'm feeling a little better with the early returns on Gunter. Here's hoping he doesn't have to play outside on an island, though...

RCPackerFan's picture

I also think Gunter is better on the outside. He maybe slow, but he seems to always get his hands on the ball.

Here is my question with him though. With talks of him playing in the slot more this offseason, are they planning on using him in the slot to cover the Slot TE's? He is physical and has the size.
I'm curious how he would match up against Jordan Reed and some of those tweener TE's.

RCPackerFan's picture

Yeah, I haven't seen a lot on him moving to slot CB other then he was there.

That's what I'm kind of wondering though if that what their experiment is to basically groom him to replace Hyde. Since Hyde will be a free agent after this season it would make sense.

I haven't read anything about it, just wondering about it. I completely agree though that he will be an outside CB.

PaulRosik's picture

Going for two is an interesting idea. Of course as a math teacher I can't resist not pointing out that as long as you convert more than 50 % of the tries you are better off than kicking it every time. So the question becomes can you convert it half the time or not? Since teams almost never try it the data is limited so far. In the entire NFL in 2015 there were 94 two point attempts and 45 of them were made (48%). The Steelers made 8 of 11 tries. The Packers made 4 of 6 - but the misses were at critical times. Is there an NFL coach wild enough to go for it every time, or is it only going to continue to be used during late game comeback attempts?

dobber's picture

"Is there an NFL coach wild enough to go for it every time, or is it only going to continue to be used during late game comeback attempts?"

It's a curious idea. Certainly when they moved the PAT back there was speculation that it might lead to more 2pt attempts. I'm reminded of the HS and low-college coaches who never punt. It's a similar kind of idea (based on the fact that per-play averages and conversions indicate that you're going to make more 4th downs than you think you would). The first coach who does it and makes it work will likely start a "revolution" of sorts...

PaulRosik's picture

There have been a lot of statistical studies that say teams should go for it more on short 4th downs. But what they aren't able to take into account is the risk and the consequences of failure. Plus it also can give a message to your defense that you don't trust them and need to take those chances. So the mathematician in me wants to say 4th and 1 you would make about 70 % of the team but the risk of giving the other team the ball already across the 50 if you fail is still a bit risk to take.

But 2 pointers are another matter. What is the risk of missing the one point? And if you score 4 times in a game, and make the 2 point twice you are even and if you make it 3 or more times you are ahead of the game. But no coach appears willing. Even Chip Kelly who did it in college doesn't go for it in the pros.

ray nichkee's picture

This comment section was worse than yesterdays. Let's all try to clean this up. I've tried hard to except for the occasional humor driven comments. Adam and his column I look forward to every sunday deserves much better than this. Good luck on thursday adam.

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