Sorting Out the Aaron Rodgers Mess for the Packers
The Packers have overcome a lot in the first half of this season to get off to a 7-1 start. But this latest incident demonstrates that the challenges may just be beginning.
By GilMartin
The Green Bay Packers got some bad news on Wednesday when they announced that Aaron Rodgers had tested positive for Covid-19. Rodgers will miss this week’s game in Kansas City and perhaps more action depending on how long it takes him to clear the league’s Covid-19 protocols.
But this also means that Rodgers has misled the public about his vaccination status. Back in August, Rodgers had this to say at a press conference, "I'm immunized."
NFL Network reported that Rodgers has been treated as an unvaccinated player this season at the Packers facility. It also indicated that Rodgers petitioned the NFL to be treated as vaccinated after an “alternate treatment” he received which was reportedly a process to increase his immune system. The league turned that request down.
Essentially, Rodgers played with fire and he got burned. The league’s reigning MVP has now tested positive for Covid-19 and will miss time. How long he will miss depends on how long it takes him to get out of the NFL’s Covid protocol.
Rodgers decision not to get the vaccine is a personal one, but it also shows a lack of leadership. Being the leader of a football team often means sacrificing your personal agenda for the greater good of the team. For a quarterback that can mean sacrificing personal statistics for team success. In this case, it means doing all you can to keep yourself and your teammates safe from a deadly disease that has already killed approximately 750,000 Americans. That’s more Americans who died in World War I, World War II, the Korea and Vietnam combined.
Rodgers apparently misled reporters when he said he was “immunized” since most people view immunized and vaccinated as synonyms.
The league is now investigating the Packers organization for their handling of Rodgers and their players since the Packers did not have Rodgers masked up when he held press conferences which were held indoors inside the Packers facility.
Wednesday, the NFL released a statement saying, “The primary responsibility for the enforcement of the Covid protocols within club facilities rests with each club. Failure to properly enforce the protocols has resulted in discipline being assessed against individual clubs in the past. The league is aware of the current situation in Green Bay and will be reviewing the matter with the Packers.”
Depending on the league’s investigation, the Packers could be fined or face other penalties.
On the field, this becomes another obstacle the 2021 Packers must overcome. The team has already lost Pro Bowl cornerback Jaire Alexander, All Pro tackle David Bakhtiari, Pro Bowl edge rusher Za’Darius Smith and Pro Bowl offensive lineman Elgton Jenkins for several games while starters like Josh Myers, Marquez Valdes-Scantling and Kevin King have also missed substantial playing time due to injuries. The team has managed to win seven straight games despite missing all these key players for several games. Now they need try to win without their franchise quarterback.
Head coach Matt LaFleur was not backing down from the difficult task ahead. “I said hey, it's a great challenge. Nobody is going to feel sorry for us. We all have to prepare to the best of our ability to go down there and get a win, and that's the mindset,” LaFleur told reporters on Wednesday. “We have a game to play. It's the next-man-up mentality and that's how we've operated for everybody. I think our guys will rally around Jordan. We've got a lot of confidence in him, and what a great opportunity for him to showcase what he can do.”
Love is now the “next man up.” LaFleur will now have to devise a game plan that revolves around what Love does best and try to stay away from areas of the game plan that an inexperienced quarterback like Love may struggle at.
One of the biggest differences between Rodgers and Love is that few quarterbacks read defenses or remember tendencies and formations as well as Rodgers. Rodgers has been in the NFL since 2005 and has been the Packers starting quarterback since 2008. Love has yet to start a game in his brief NFL career.
LaFleur said Love seems ready for his first NFL start. “We talk about having that no-flinch mentality and I didn't see any flinch in him,” LaFleur said. “I think he's excited about the opportunity, and I think he'll prepare the right way and give it everything he has.”
The one advantage the Packers have is that they are facing a Chiefs defense that is ranked 29th in yards allowed per game and 28th in points allowed. They are also 29th in the league with just 11 sacks through eight games.
The Packers have overcome a lot in the first half of this season to get off to a 7-1 start. But this latest incident demonstrates that the challenges may just be beginning.
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Comments (293)
PackerGravy
November 04, 2021 at 04:15 pm
Drama Queen…….but a damn good QB!
It’ll be ok folks
Bitternotsour
November 05, 2021 at 06:32 pm
dang. it appears that aaron is getting his medical advice from greg jennings sister. time, is a flat circle, man.
CoachDino
November 06, 2021 at 02:25 am
he's morea narcitist. sorry to see the silly covid ww's rerence et all used. bound to stir controversy. the common cold has even more, though i cant name one person i know or even public figure who died due to covid, tha points made about ar action stand. some things r bigger than yourself, im not even judging on the vac, its the deceit that displays for all to see your charecter, so its fine for you to make choices based on info avail, but depriving others of data, your vaccine status, to make informed decisions is beneath him. ar is part of an union thatnegotiated the guidelines. he is thus obligated to follow them or take a leave of absence. he pulled the same thing in essence with his contract, didnt like it, tried to subvert it through decptive actions. both times with little too no consideration of the team, teammates, fans, media etc
Letfreedomring
November 06, 2021 at 12:45 pm
He's speaking up for human rights when everyone else is scared to speak up in fear of being fired or cut. Rodgers is the only one in the NFL with balls. The media will continue to hate and slander him as that's what they're paid to do. Media is owned and controlled by just a few major companies who have their agenda which is aligned with the government. Anyone who speaks out agaisnt these human rights issues will be dealt with harshly. Nobody I mean nobody on mainstream media will support Rodgers not one person will support him.
Discrimination is against the Civil Rights Act and Rodgers is speaking out against this opression. We did this stupid crap over 60 years ago and there's no need to discriminate against humans again no matter if it's for religious, race, medical or any other purpose. The NFL is in the wrong and Rodgers must sue them after he wins the Packers a SB.
Letfreedomring
November 06, 2021 at 12:45 pm
He's speaking up for human rights when everyone else is scared to speak up in fear of being fired or cut. Rodgers is the only one in the NFL with balls. The media will continue to hate and slander him as that's what they're paid to do. Media is owned and controlled by just a few major companies who have their agenda which is aligned with the government. Anyone who speaks out agaisnt these human rights issues will be dealt with harshly. Nobody I mean nobody on mainstream media will support Rodgers not one person will support him.
Discrimination is against the Civil Rights Act and Rodgers is speaking out against this opression. We did this stupid crap over 60 years ago and there's no need to discriminate against humans again no matter if it's for religious, race, medical or any other purpose. The NFL is in the wrong and Rodgers must sue them after he wins the Packers a SB.
Dr.Rodgers
November 06, 2021 at 04:17 pm
Thanx for having my back Bro!
HarryHodag
November 04, 2021 at 04:37 pm
One point no one or organization has talked about: how ill is Aaron Rodgers? If he gets real sick he could suffer long term problems.
The chatter today from the NFL reporters seems to indicate the league office is going to come down hard on the Packers for allowing this to happen and essentially covering it up.
Many folks seem to forget Rodgers had management walking on egg shells and I suspect they didn't want to confront him about COVID protocols so soon after the off-season fiasco.
I feel sorry for Matt LF, having to deal with Rodgers and now this.
BigZ
November 04, 2021 at 05:55 pm
Yeah, no kidding. Considering this all came out on his birthday.
If the NFL does come down hard on us, they had better have that same energy for all the other players that have done things like this. Though, that Halloween party that he was at is probably the most damning.
GregC
November 04, 2021 at 08:24 pm
You're the first person I know of who's mentioned the possibility that Rodgers will actually get sick. A.J. Dillon missed five weeks with COVID last year, in pre-vaccine days, and Rodgers is older than Dillon, so who knows, he could miss several games. Rodgers put management in a tough spot with his off-season shenanigans. They put up with it, and now they are paying the price.
4thand1
November 04, 2021 at 10:24 pm
AR can afford all the best treatment to stop covid from severe illness. He'll put all the experimental drugs in his body to get better, but wouldn't get vaccinated, WTF. He could still get really really sick and end his career in GB after all.
GregC
November 05, 2021 at 05:17 am
It's so aggravating. When the vaccines first came out, I was talking to a lady who works in an assisted living facility where multiple residents had died of COVID and she was constantly having to work double shifts because of workers testing positive. She said she wasn't going to get vaccinated because the vaccine was "too new." She would rather get a new virus that has killed millions of people than a new vaccine that has killed a handful of people and is remarkably effective.
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 11:00 am
Mayo did a study a few months ago and found the vaccine 42% effective. Since then, in some areas, it is below 40%.
The deaths due to the vaccine is incredibly under-reported in CDC's VAERS database and even there deaths are reporting over 14,000 mRNA deaths and nearly 900,000 vaccine related injuries including myocarditis, paralysis and spinal cord tumors among many other insults. I guess some may thing that is a "handful".
The mRNA injuries and deaths are many times higher than those from ALL VACCINES used over the last 20 years.
Dr.Rodgers
November 05, 2021 at 11:18 am
Bullshit, and more bullshit. Gtfo .
flackcatcher
November 06, 2021 at 01:45 pm
LP is right about the numbers. As a Marine GOFO (General Officer/Flag Officer) I see the raw, RAW data every day. Not the 'edited' crap that 'serious media' like the New York Times or Intercept put out. As badly as the US government has handled this in both the Trump and Biden Administrations, the overall numbers have dropped like a stone as our population has become immune mostly from natural exposure with one of the three vaccines putting us over the top. What is needed now more than ever, is some serious thinking about what we do next post Covid. Rather than this continuing fear mongering that is going on in some high quarters of our current government.
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 11:00 am
Mayo did a study a few months ago and found the vaccine 42% effective. Since then, in some areas, it is below 40%.
The deaths due to the vaccine is incredibly under-reported in CDC's VAERS database and even there deaths are reporting over 14,000 mRNA deaths and nearly 900,000 vaccine related injuries including myocarditis, paralysis and spinal cord tumors among many other insults. I guess some may thing that is a "handful".
The mRNA injuries and deaths are many times higher than those from ALL VACCINES used over the last 20 years.
Dr.Rodgers
November 05, 2021 at 11:33 am
Without direct references you throw out made up numbers of deaths and we’re supposed accept them. Hears what the CDC VAERS SAYS ABOUT MAKING JUDGEMENTS FROM THESE REPORTED NUMBERS!
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html
Are all events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) caused by vaccination?
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No. VAERS data alone cannot determine if the reported adverse event was caused by a COVID-19 vaccination. Anyone can report events to VAERS, even if it is not clear whether a vaccine caused the problem. Some VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. These adverse events are studied by vaccine safety experts who look for unusually high numbers of health problems, or a pattern of problems, after people receive a particular vaccine.
Recently, the number of deaths reported to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccination has been misinterpreted and misreported as if this number means deaths that were proven to be caused by vaccination. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.
Disclaimer
VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.
The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA’s multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as “safety signals.” If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same scientific limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 02:59 pm
Here you go, Lazy Bones. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/08/11/vaccine-effectiveness
(psst, it took me 10 seconds)
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 03:04 pm
You can also look up Vaers data on CDC.
Dr.Rodgers
November 05, 2021 at 04:13 pm
That was an overview that you pulled out of context. There was a clear caveat that the data reported was prepublication and not peer reviewed as well as a very small study in a limited part of the country. You’re post is almost totally inaccurate.
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 11:01 am
Double post
Philarod
November 05, 2021 at 11:04 am
Triple?
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 02:55 pm
yes, dang it.
Dr.Rodgers
November 05, 2021 at 04:26 pm
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WestCoastPackerBacker
November 05, 2021 at 03:24 pm
Why couldn't he get the monoclonal antibody treatment. That seems to kind of stop the virus in its tracks.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 04, 2021 at 10:29 pm
I have a friend in his 30s who was a damn good triathlete. It’s been a year since he had COVID and he can barely walk down a flight of stairs. You never know who it will hit the hardest.
Coldworld
November 05, 2021 at 09:00 am
If you want a cautionary story about what Covid can do to a professional footballer, look up the player we just signed to our practice squad, Armstead.
He lost his entire 2020 season to Covid, was hospitalized twice and was still deemed unfit to play as of June this year. Here is a summary (prior to the June 2021 release by another team).
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31462222/jacksonville-jaguars-waive-...
Bearmeat
November 05, 2021 at 01:10 pm
Our QB is a smart guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. Meaning, he's a dumb ass.
WestCoastPackerBacker
November 05, 2021 at 03:28 pm
Exactly how do you "know" Rodgers thinks he's smarter than everyone else? Do you hang out with the guy? Or do you just make assumptions about the guy? I know many highly educated, very intelligent, and yes even medical folks that made a personal decision not to get a vaccine. I don't think a single one of those folks consider themselves "smarter" than everyone else. You really have zero insight into why #12 has made the decisions he's made.
Bure9620
November 05, 2021 at 10:15 pm
He just put on a 47 minute display of righteous indignation while simultaneously spreading disinformation....
Spiker
November 05, 2021 at 08:04 pm
you have such a way with words.....lol
dobber
November 05, 2021 at 01:59 pm
Armstead was an interesting HWS prospect when he came out a couple years ago--big guy with good stopwatch speed. My recollection was that he struggled to stay healthy in college, though. For his sake, I'm glad he apparently has gotten over the complications of Covid.
Crankbait
November 05, 2021 at 02:03 pm
Do you actually think that Rodgers is the only NFL player whi is unjabbed ?
Bitternotsour
November 05, 2021 at 04:24 pm
Saw his interview today. Apparently Covid exposure makes you really stupid too.
Coldworld
November 04, 2021 at 04:38 pm
The good news today is that there no more players seem to have been added to the Covid reserve. That is a step in the right direction.
Alberta_Packer
November 04, 2021 at 05:14 pm
Hopefully that remains - although it may take up to 14 days for covid symptoms to appear after exposure. So considering Rodgers Halloween (spreader) bash - the team may yet not be out of the woods.
jurp
November 04, 2021 at 06:00 pm
Yeah, it's days-early to breathe a sigh of relief. I was working at our City Hall last November when a staffer there tested positive on a Tuesday. She almost certainly got it at an unmasked birthday party nine days earlier, but she wasn't ill until the day before the test, eight days after exposure.
Coldworld
November 04, 2021 at 07:09 pm
Was more if a one day at a time … one small step sentiment
CWolf
November 05, 2021 at 11:33 am
True, but my guess is, the players get tested (Packers are in different protocols now because of players testing positive). That doesn't mean there will be no more bad news, but it wouldn't take 14 days to find out. Fingers crossed...
dobber
November 05, 2021 at 02:50 pm
I saw Yiadom on the list. Do we know when he was added?
flackcatcher
November 06, 2021 at 01:55 pm
Our testing protocols while improved, still have a very high number of false positives. Usually with a second test, almost 90% test negative. Interestingly, with a third test those tested all most without fail turn out negative with the virus. We still have a long way to go to get trusted tests.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 06, 2021 at 04:44 pm
Yiadom was added to the Covid list on Wednesday, November 3. That is the same day that AR was officially added.
Alberta_Packer
November 04, 2021 at 04:48 pm
On the topic of bad news, it is more likely than not, that Rodgers "misrepresentation" (lie) will cost the Packers $, draft choice(s) and possible game(s) suspension of Rodgers by the NFL. Also it will tarnish the Packers reputation as a community-based team - seeing how management seemed to have aided and abetted Rodger's secret un-vaccination.
However, the silver lining to this calamity, may be the emergence of Jordan Love as Green Bay's next fine QB. If so, it must be attributed to karma.
Coldworld
November 04, 2021 at 05:15 pm
Although I’m hearing of other teams that have regarded the media room as not in the realm of football activity. I’m not convinced that aspect of this is either unique nor necessarily clearly outside of the protocol. A lot of media are indignant because it’s them and the media tends to consider itself a special class too. Really though, it’s no different than the risk taken going to a store or any commercial venue.
Let’s see what the Packers organization contravened first, if anything. LaFleur did not use the term “football space” so centrally because it is catchy I am guessing. I suspect it comes from a lawyer advising on the scope of the rules.
I am not exonerating Rodgers, just voicing skepticism at the supposed failings of the organization at this point.
Alberta_Packer
November 04, 2021 at 05:32 pm
I'm sure that something will surface - no matter how minor/major - showing that management was in breach of protocol. Good point about an indigent media. The problem here, is that it is on a national scale and I've always found the NFL to be hyper-sensitive to this type of coverage - which does not augur well for the Packers.
4thand1
November 04, 2021 at 10:26 pm
The league knew he wasn't vaccinated
BrettGB
November 05, 2021 at 02:36 am
Exactly. People are making waaaaay too bug a deal out of this. His statement to the media was misleading, but both the Packers and the league knew he was unvaccinated. I don't see the issue here past being annoyed that he mislead the public. Minus the fact that he's now missing at least a game because he was unvaccinated, obviously, but that's a different topic.
Alberta_Packer
November 05, 2021 at 10:48 am
It's a moot point. Teams are responsible for the implementation and the policing of the covid protocols - not the League. If a team fails to do so, then the League will step-in with penalties - like it did with New Orleans and New England. So the worst is yet to come for GB.
Washyourhandswashyourbutt17
November 05, 2021 at 05:44 am
It isn’t more likely than not. It’s highly unlikely most of those things occur outside of fines which seem likely for Rodgers, maybe the Packers but that’s more unclear pending investigation results. Jay glazer already reported no suspension to occur. Rodgers didn’t lie to the league or to the packers, they knew since day 1. He’s been following protocols inside the packers football facilities the entire time according to Lafleur and the NFL, so a coverup is highly unlikely . Rodgers gave an answer to the media that misled them, and it’s actually been since reported that the timing of that press conference is inline with when Rodgers was in talks with the league for his antibody treatment to be approved as “vaccination status” and he hadnt been told no yet. May not change people’s minds, but it’s not an outright lie the media wants to make it to be. Other unvaxxed players around the league have been maskless on the sidelines and in press conferences all year long so that’s another unlikely punishment. What there’s precedent for is him being unmasked indoors in a gathering with players or the public (the Halloween party), so it’s likely to assume a small fine is coming.
BrettGB
November 05, 2021 at 09:54 am
Very well said, Wash.
Joknows
November 05, 2021 at 07:44 am
You know how I know you're stupid. Get back on your tricycle and rejoin your traveling clown parade alberta.
Alberta_Packer
November 05, 2021 at 10:59 am
The vast majority of CHTV commenters respectfully adhere to football only topics and posts. If you want to troll - you're on the wrong site.
dobber
November 05, 2021 at 07:58 am
Silverstein's take this morning...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2021/11/05/why-aaron-r...
He's right: ARod is NFL royalty. He makes the league money. We saw what happened with Brady and the Pats when they were doing things that disrupted the even playing field and openly flirted with damaging the on-field integrity of the game (filming, deflategate, etc.). They got fined and Brady did serve a suspension the following season.
This doesn't come anywhere near the level of those kinds of infractions, in my mind. FInes, yes. I think that's likely. The Packers might forfeit a pick (note that NE only lost a 6th rounder in the deflategate scenario, and were hit with forfeiture of a first for spygate) if they're found to be negligent in enforcing Covid policies, but I think that's unlikely.
Joknows
November 06, 2021 at 12:24 pm
I find it quite comical how half of you liberal political nut jobs have your panties in a bunch over a grown man making a choice (you know liberty and freedom and all that jazz) to not get vaccinated and pursue alternate treatments. But yet you are to scared to have an opinion about Henry Ruggs driving 157 mph with his 20 yr old gf in the car drunk AF killing a woman and her dog. Lets hang ARod but you know Henry its cool we feel sad for you and too scared to talk about it bc he's a different ethnicity your so "woke" LMFAO!!! pathetic and spineless wimps
Reghamster
November 08, 2021 at 08:34 am
Henry was quickly removed from the Raiders . Somehow I missed anyone criticizing the Raiders for doing that and somehow defending Henry. Can you cite some examples ? His tragic behavior will no doubt land him in jail for a quite a time. I think roughly 100 out of 100 agree with that. It is why there is a law covering it !
Rodgers didn't do anything illegal but be did lie about his covid status several times. The most recent being his this claim that he is allergic to the vaccine . If he were, the league would have granted him an exemption and he could have informed people of it ... but it is another lie obviously. People are bothered that he has perhaps recklessly exposed people who say at a Halloween party didn't realize his status. It is just selfish self interest that has now backfired and limited his post football career. It does sound like he could become a non sports reporter for some right wing news outlet that you perhaps tune into Mr Knows .
Meanwhile I have to get back to the Monster Woke practice range to focus my new cross hairs then of course a trip to Ace Hardware to get some special -ordered nails for the cancel culture casket I have been building for a special occasion . I can't wait to hear the latest from the Zen Master on the mystery of life and the Woke culture's incapacity to absorb it. When he comes around to writing his children's book ' Mr Rodger's guide to the complex study of Covid '. It might help me understand the Dude better. Meanwhile , I like the one about his Doctor telling Rodger's " You're enough of a horse's ass that Ivermectin might just help you!" Or the political cartoon of Rodgers walking by a young George Washington and a chopped cherry tree. The caption" Hey Kid if they give you any sh** about lying, just tell them the Woke culture made you do it before you got cancelled !"
Leatherhead
November 04, 2021 at 04:52 pm
He’s gonna miss a game, maybe two, because the rules mandate it. I don’t know how he feels. He’s a young, healthy guy so I’m gonna hope for the best.
This is a great opportunity to rest Rodgers and look at Love. It’s a road game against an AFC opponent. The games we want to win are our home games against Chicago, Minnesota, Rams, Seattle, and the road games in Minnesota and at Detroit. That gives us 13 wins, again.
croatpackfan
November 05, 2021 at 11:58 am
You forget is that we do not know which strain of Covid-19 he is positive for. There is lot of data already from GB, and continental Europe that delta+ variant of virus is highly dangerous for persons younger than 45 and for pregnant women. So he might be lucky and did not catch that one, but regular delta is also very dangerous one.
Even in the case of unsymphtomatic illness there might be some hard post covid effects.
Ferrari-Driver
November 04, 2021 at 04:57 pm
I realize that if a person refuses to be vaccinated against the COVID virus, it is their choice, but when Rodgers misleads others into believing he has received the vaccine and mingles with others while not even wearing a mask, he is putting others at risk.
I would assume some of those who were close to Rodgers these past months/days would not have done so if they had received the truth from him regarding his status. Perhaps some of them have been infected by him.
That is not a nice way for Aaron to conduct himself.
jurp
November 04, 2021 at 06:04 pm
"That is not a nice way for Aaron to conduct himself."
Understatement of the season. AR's behavior just confirms that he's a selfish prick.
aberk
November 05, 2021 at 05:03 am
Yes but so is Lazard for also not getting vaccinated. This is the first time I want to burn my Rodgers shirt. I feel that those people who don't get vaccinated are selfish. But he also misled the public and put others at risk. Not cool at all.
Coldworld
November 05, 2021 at 09:12 am
Although I personally regard the decision not to get vaccinated as idiotic, one is supposedly allowed the freedom to decide what one does with one’s own body. The arguments for that currently shouted are used by both left and right in different contexts, when the cause suits.
The reality is that the NFLPA made it clear mandatory vaccination was a big no, and Goodall and the owners refused to take that on. Lazard and others this remained free to be paid while making choices. Idiotic perhaps, contrary to the team interest perhaps, but league sanctioned.
Blame the league but free choice is critical to freedom. Those choices won’t always be right. What Rodgers did has a while additional dimension of deceit and, potentially, influence on others as well as well as possibly putting the organization in a no win position between him and the rules.
croatpackfan
November 05, 2021 at 12:06 pm
So you support freedom that everyone have right to kill another one. By gun, car, poison, pushing from the cliff. suffocation or by spreading disease (like AIDS, hepatitis B, C, D etc, Covid-19)?
Coldworld
November 05, 2021 at 12:30 pm
No. Stretching everything to the point of ridiculous is not a helpful step in any discussion. I am not an anarchist but nor will I ostracize someone for making a legally permitted personal choice, however much I disagree with it. Lazard is not mandated to be vaccinated by statute or contract law.
My point was to differentiate between Lazard’s choice (however unwise in my view) and the situation created by Rodgers.
Caden819
November 05, 2021 at 12:34 pm
No, Coldworld supports the right of everyone making their own choices. Killing someone by "gun, car, poison, pushing from the cliff, suffocation or by spreading disease (like AIDS, hepatitis B, C, D etc, Covid-19)" is not at all the same as refusing a vaccine made within 1 year. Besides, based on your comment I assume you have the vaccine correct? So why is someone else right to refuse it so important to you? You are protected via vaccine right? So how is an unvaccinated person going to harm you? Or does your vaccine not work as well as you think it does?
fordguy
November 05, 2021 at 03:02 pm
Exactly.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 03:30 pm
As unvaccinated people get covid, the virus mutates into new forms, the vast majority of which are fortunately not more virulent than the parent virus. As we've seen throughout the pandemic, different variants arise that ARE more virulent. This is why the delta variant has replaced the alpha variant throughout North America - it's more easily caught and spread. This is also why we have breakthrough infections, as the original vaccines, while incredibly effective against alpha, are slightly less effective against delta.
We have had variants up to mu and probably beyond, and now have delta+ spreading in Europe and, I read, now here in the US. It is worse for younger people than any of the previous US variants.
The greater the delay in herd immunity, the greater the chance that a mutation will occur which is highly virulent and more deadly, and which renders the existing vaccines much less effective. At this point we're back to lockdown city and tent hospitals. In addition, children under 5 cannot be vaccinated, and it is definitely in the realm of possibility that a mutation could occur that WILL KILL THEM. This is why getting vaccinated is incredibly important.
Caden819
November 05, 2021 at 04:01 pm
You can also achieve herd immunity by contracting the virus and recovering. Thus having the antibodies to fight further infection. You don't need to subject to a vaccine to be immune to it. Vaccines that are effective don't take a year to produce, they take decades. That's why myself and many others wont even consider getting it until further testing is done
dobber
November 05, 2021 at 02:04 pm
Supporting the ability to decide and supporting the actual decision are two different things.
CoachDino
November 06, 2021 at 02:34 am
very well put, idioctic seemms a bit harsh, the risk/reward do seem to fall heavily on reward even though its not that effective, the football side alone has huge benefits.
Crankbait
November 05, 2021 at 02:08 pm
By choosing not to be vaccinated Rogers is only hurting himself.... maybe.
How is he hurting others? Covid does not discriminate between the unjabbed and jabbed.
Follow the science, not the political woke science.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 03:32 pm
You're obviously not following the science. You may want to get your healthcare information from a doctor, not cable TV and/or social media.
Dr.Rodgers
November 05, 2021 at 04:17 pm
😝
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 02:53 pm
I have natural immunity but I am selfish for not taking an experimental drug that will mostly cancel out my natural immunity for a vaccine, according to recent Mayo research, that is only 42% effective?
OK...I am selfish following the science. Stupid science. Just bleat and follow the politicians.
fordguy
November 05, 2021 at 04:05 pm
Shut up and quit asking questions. Do as you're told without regard for your own personal health. Think about the greater good so you can get a neat little card to put in your pocket.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 03:39 pm
Your crappy link neglects this information:
1. The study included people with only one shot of Pfizer and Moderna and was not restricted to fully vaccinated people. This of course will lower its effectiveness and has been known since the vaccines were released.
2. You forgot this quote: "Based on the data that we have so far, it is a combination of both [a reduction in effectiveness over time and a reduced effectiveness against Delta],” said Venky Soundararajan, a lead author in the study. “The Moderna vaccine is likely – very likely – more effective than the Pfizer vaccine in areas where Delta is the dominant strain, and the Pfizer vaccine appears to have a lower durability of effectiveness.”
The impact of the delta variant on effectiveness is also well known; stopping the creation of new variants is vital in stopping covid.
You also forgot this information: "Overall, the study found that the Moderna vaccine was 86 percent effective against infection and Pfizer’s was 76 percent; Pfizer’s was 85 percent effective against hospitalization, while Moderna’s was 92 percent. "
So - while you may get the delta variant after vaccination, you will almost certainly not get nearly as sick from it and stand a hugely better chance of never needing hospitalization from it. Most of the vaccinated people who die from delta are elderly and/or have compromised immune systems. This is another reason everyone should get vaccinated - so that we don't kill our own citizens.
Get your facts straight,
rstain99
November 05, 2021 at 07:42 am
He put himself above everyone else, I am a huge Packers fan 1966, but this guy who is so talented puts himself a head of the team. Guess what he gets sick, sorry no covid vaccination no sympathy. Some of your teammates may never get to experience a run at the title, you have 1 SB and five losses in NFC title game get there often. This was your best chance they seemed to have a respectable defense. Old AR12 bigger than the team. Go J Love against KC
fordguy
November 05, 2021 at 03:30 pm
Don't remember hearing from you last week when a vaccinated.Adams and unvaccinated Lazard both had Covid last week. Where were the selfish player quotes from last week?
Coldworld
November 05, 2021 at 06:52 pm
Is that you can’t distinguish the differences this far down a thread in which they’ve been repeatedly stated or simply chose not to?
fordguy
November 06, 2021 at 01:18 pm
Do you understand how a threads work? It is really clear who I'm replying too, and it's not you.
10ve 💚
November 04, 2021 at 06:21 pm
I heard on some channels that the covid tests are not done "in secret", so all the players probably would have been aware that Rodgers was getting tested every day.
Or maybe not.
CWolf
November 05, 2021 at 11:42 am
I believe players know who is and is not vaccinated because of the different protocols. Hard to hide things like who needs to wear a mask, for example.
Washyourhandswashyourbutt17
November 05, 2021 at 05:53 am
Without defending Aaron, the NFL league office and the Packers have known these things since day 1. You’d have to imagine all Packers players have known this as well since he’s been reported to have followed protocols for unvaccinated players while inside the packers football spaces, as lafleur deems it, so if they were going to be upset now, they would’ve been upset 2 months ago.
Washyourhandswashyourbutt17
November 05, 2021 at 05:53 am
Without defending Aaron, the NFL league office and the Packers have known these things since day 1. You’d have to imagine all Packers players have known this as well since he’s been reported to have followed protocols for unvaccinated players while inside the packers football spaces, as lafleur deems it, so if they were going to be upset now, they would’ve been upset 2 months ago.
Swisch
November 04, 2021 at 06:04 pm
I'm still very much wanting to know Aaron Rodgers' side of the story.
First, I want to know what he did to consider himself immunized. Why didn't he get the shot? What did he do as an alternative for his health? Did he actually have COVID in the past, and that's why he has considered himself immunized?
Second, does Rodgers agree now that he was deceptive in the past about being immunized, or does he stand by what he originally said? What did he mean then, and does he still think the same way now?
***
I truly hope Rodgers is straightforward in his remarks, and that they come out by tomorrow.
I hope he is honest about what he did, and admits to any mistakes he made with genuine sorrow.
I hope he stands up for himself to the extent he thinks he's in the right, or has strong feelings about the shots and NFL policy.
Rodgers seems to want to be known for telling it like it is.
I hope we see that right away.
jurp
November 04, 2021 at 06:07 pm
"I hope he is honest about what he did, and admits to any mistakes he made with genuine sorrow."
LOL. I hope that unicorns come prancing down my street tonight. Same chance of happening.
"Rodgers seems to want to be known for telling it like it is."
No, Rodgers is known as someone who hides behind obfusticating words that disguise his actual intent. Exhibit A = his supposedly "honest" interview during training camp, which was anything BUT honest.
10ve 💚
November 04, 2021 at 06:18 pm
There will be no official word from Rodgers anytime soon, as those on COVID reserve are normally kept away from the media.
Maybe we'll get to hear from him on Tuesday on the PTS when he talks to Pat.
mbpacker
November 04, 2021 at 06:32 pm
I wouldn't bet on it!
Spiker
November 05, 2021 at 08:19 pm
he replied on the Pat McAfee show. It wasn't pretty and he uses Joe Rogan as a medical advisor... what a couple of clowns
dblbogey
November 04, 2021 at 06:45 pm
Vaccinated people still get Covid. Vaccinated people can still infect others. That means these shots aren't vaccines, A vaccine prevents you from getting a disease.
Coldworld
November 04, 2021 at 07:11 pm
Incorrect.
Bitternotsour
November 04, 2021 at 07:54 pm
except that you're completely wrong. other than being completely wrong, you could easily look up how vaccines work and their efficacy and then try again, while being right.
you can go to reputable sites, the Centers for Disease Control, the Mayo Clinic, the FDA. You can actually learn. or you can just post crap. i'm guessing you'll opt to just post crap.
DougXX57
November 05, 2021 at 07:54 am
you can also go to vaers to see the people getting sick and or dying from the jab... do not trust everything the government tells you about the jab folks
Starr
November 05, 2021 at 10:27 am
What are you talking about, ‘vaers’?
3/4 million oeople have died from Covid, that’s just in this country. How many have died from the vaccine? A few?
You’re reaching to justify the anti government right wing media.
fordguy
November 05, 2021 at 03:40 pm
Easiest question in the world for you then. Why have more people died this year with the vaccine available then without one the previous year?
croatpackfan
November 05, 2021 at 12:10 pm
You are right. Go drink few glasses of disinfectant as you darling Trump recomended.
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 07:04 pm
Only trust in Q or Vladimir, right Boris?
Bitternotsour
November 04, 2021 at 07:55 pm
not sure why things are double posting
Starr
November 04, 2021 at 08:07 pm
When one does actual research they learn that in many cases Fox Entertainment network let’s it’s hosts tell lies. Learn to ‘tell’ the truth
jannesbjornson
November 04, 2021 at 08:56 pm
Preacher done said that there Invermectin worked real well on Bossy the Cow, so what's the difference from some Fancy mRNA technology, I wreckon.
Johnblood27
November 04, 2021 at 09:18 pm
Awesome!
Irish_Cheesehead
November 04, 2021 at 11:02 pm
Wow, I think that the most unintelligent post I’ve ever read about vaccines. Congrats!
Bure9620
November 04, 2021 at 11:12 pm
Not true, frankly of ANY Vaccine. Some flu shots are effective, others, not so much. They do NOT completely prevent the disease. It does ensure that disease can be significantly less acute.
aberk
November 05, 2021 at 05:08 am
The vaccine prevents death. Learn to educate yourself and stop watching Fox news..those same people who preach to not get vaccinated on Fox are themselves required to be vaccinated.
DougXX57
November 05, 2021 at 07:58 am
ummmmmmmm some peope who take the jab are still dying from covid. sorry but true
Coldworld
November 05, 2021 at 09:20 am
Would you opt for the million to one risk or the one in a million one? Use your head and probabilities.
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 11:23 am
Not true...Fox News does not have a vaccine mandate to take the jab. Biden said they did. He was again misinformed or was lying himself.
Dr.Rodgers
November 05, 2021 at 11:47 am
Where’s your reference?
fordguy
November 05, 2021 at 03:57 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/sep/15/fox-news-vaccines-testing-... On Tuckers show and on Bonginos show both and others also have said it.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 03:42 pm
WRONG
Neil Cavuto just talked about it not too long ago:
https://www.alternet.org/2021/10/fox-news-vaccine/
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 07:14 pm
Ask the neo-nazi Murdochs if they have it ??
fastmoving
November 06, 2021 at 02:44 am
let the weak, unamerican, dumb Fox brainwashed just get what they deserve. They do no get it that they got tricked every second. Just orange sheeps without values or moral. just criminals who belong to Russia
Bure9620
November 06, 2021 at 05:54 am
Right, it does prevent death, which is what I mean by level of acuity. Not only does the vaccine prevent death, you are significantly less likely to be hospitalized.
Johnblood27
November 05, 2021 at 03:32 pm
Less acute?
You mean ugly?
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 07:15 pm
No he means intubated in an ICU taking up bed space that another seriously ill Citizen may be Deprived .
Johnblood27
November 06, 2021 at 07:06 am
lighten up Francis...
get a little perspective.
Savage57
November 05, 2021 at 05:15 am
Your paranoid, disinformation lie would be more appropriate on one of the right wing blog sewers like Breitbart.
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 07:18 pm
Or perhaps the neo-fascist Ein Amerika Neues out of SanDiego, finance by a 1% grifter allied and or sympathetic with Putin. Look It up wise guys. Make an attempt to actually Think Critically. Make an attempt to seek the Truth vs idiomatic fantasies. In other words, get Real.
rstain99
November 05, 2021 at 07:56 am
98% of people in the hospital for covid are unvaxed you get shot this does not guarantee you won't get Covid but those who do get NOT getting as sick when testing positive. This is going to be with us forever you will always need a yearly covid vax, like flu shot deal with it. Its just not going away but it can be managed. Oh shit the tracker they put in my body with my shot is going off now the boss can track my every move. CheeseheadTV is dominating my work day please help me. Hey Ma! the Meatloaf!
DougXX57
November 05, 2021 at 08:03 am
This is from Israel....
Now an Israeli doctor has revealed a bombshell during a television interview. In the interview on August 5 with Israel’s Chanel 13, Dr Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, stated that the majority of coronavirus patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease.
Dr Haviv further specified that: “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated,” adding “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people” and the hospital is “opening more and more COVID wards.” This has led him to conclude that “the effectiveness of the vaccine is fading out.”
Of the 72 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, 25 patients were in “critical condition”, 38 were in “moderate” condition, and 9 were in “mild” condition. There were two deaths reported at the time of the interview.
Bitternotsour
November 05, 2021 at 09:02 am
also flying monkeys. you forgot about the flying monkeys and pedophile rings in the basement of the pizza parlor. what color is the air where you live?
Bitternotsour
November 05, 2021 at 06:36 pm
old guy using computer syndrome...
davekenya
November 05, 2021 at 09:15 am
There's this thing called 'fact check' out there -- https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9NF42C-1
Footage of an Israeli doctor speaking about Covid-19 vaccines has been viewed more than one million times in social media posts that claim he criticises the jabs. The posts are misleading; the doctor was in fact encouraging vaccination in the full interview, which has been edited to make it appear he says the shot is ineffective.
Sorry, Doug...
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:25 am
Joseph Goebbels would be proud of the guy who edited that interview.
Coldworld
November 05, 2021 at 09:29 am
Are you aware that Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries on earth? That study was looking at which types of individual that had been vaccinated were most at risk of a significant post vaccine event, primarily among old and infirm populations.
The doctor you cite is a strong vaccine advocate, and the version you site has been debunked as a corruption. No, I knew nothing of this until I read your post and did 5 minutes of research. Try it for yourself.
Fubared
November 05, 2021 at 10:25 am
A vacine doesnt protect you as in guaranteed to not get a disease but the other side of the coin, he prepares your body to fight off the disease if you do get it.
If I get the flu even though I got the shot, My body had developed anti bodies to help me fight it off and make it tolerable.
You forgot that not getting the vacine means you get to transmit it to grandma and grampa who are shopping in the same store your in.
Thus one may have killed innocent people by being self minded only caring about themselves.
Caden819
November 05, 2021 at 12:46 pm
If they got the vaccine then they should be able to "fight it off and make it tolerable" correct?
Johnblood27
November 05, 2021 at 03:36 pm
somebody oughta tell gramps and grammy about Amazon...
Dr.Rodgers
November 05, 2021 at 11:42 am
IDIOT
NoNonsense
November 04, 2021 at 06:48 pm
I wanna know when the NFL decided he wouldn't be granted vaccinated status on his request for exemption.
They said there was a lengthy back and forth with the league, NFLPA and infectious disease expert about whether or not he could be considered vaccinated.
Not sure when he gave the press conference where he said he was immunized but the timing of those two things will make a difference to me. If a single reporter would have just simply asked a follow up question like so are you vaccinated or not, we wouldn't be talking about this now.
Since he followed protocol as an unvaccinated player everywhere that we know of, except during press conferences, that kind of points to him perpetuating the untruth that he had been vaccinated to the media. If he showed up and did interviews wearing a mask then it would have been known he was unvaccinated.
The devil is in the details, as always. Can't make excuses for the guy since his decision has and will hurt the team and himself. I just hope it's fines and not draft picks they take from the team and they don't decide to suspend him a couple of games or something.
Bitternotsour
November 04, 2021 at 07:45 pm
except he didn't follow the protocol. he had that party. he was unmasked. he didn't observe proper spacing. he exposed other players and teams in post-game greetings.
so, no.
Caden819
November 05, 2021 at 12:49 pm
How can you "expose other players and teams in post-game greetings" without being positive?
Bitternotsour
November 05, 2021 at 09:03 am
no
Fubared
November 05, 2021 at 10:26 am
I beleive I read it was in August.
Fubared
November 04, 2021 at 06:57 pm
My daughter told me she heard or read that Rodgers is livid that his information on not being vaxed was released. I havent heard that but she's not a sports person so it must be true.
He doesnt care that he will miss the big game he is more worried about his personal information going public, really? Thanks for caring about the team you said two days ago that you so love. Liar, fake, phony, Cal Dork
Coldworld
November 04, 2021 at 07:13 pm
Technically it wasn’t. The fact of the fail and the particular type of prototype triggered made it obvious. If Rodgers blamed others for that, he’s more of a prat than I thought.
Coldworld
November 04, 2021 at 07:13 pm
Technically it wasn’t. The fact of the fail and the particular type of prototype triggered made it obvious. If Rodgers blamed others for that, he’s more of a prat than I thought.
Coldworld
November 04, 2021 at 07:13 pm
Technically it wasn’t. The fact of the fail and the particular type of prototype triggered made it obvious. If Rodgers blamed others for that, he’s more of a prat than I thought.
Johnblood27
November 04, 2021 at 09:21 pm
Please say that again, I dont get it.
Coldworld
November 04, 2021 at 10:47 pm
If I say it again I think I end up in brimstone. Beware less the gremlins get you too some time.
Johnblood27
November 05, 2021 at 12:35 pm
Im making light, not criticizing
do what you do my man.
davekenya
November 05, 2021 at 09:19 am
...speaking of obfuscating
Joknows
November 05, 2021 at 08:00 am
How many times are you gona post coldy? You're like a 5 yr old that keeps talking when nobody cares but you want them to so you keep repeating yourself great story 👍🏼
Joknows
November 05, 2021 at 07:57 am
Olgeezer is another clown great story pal
Packers0808
November 04, 2021 at 07:05 pm
Everyone told Sam not to sing but Sam Sung anyways!
PAPackerbacker
November 04, 2021 at 07:31 pm
Nobody is above the rules set for the safety of all the players in the NFL. Rodgers deceived the rest of the league and his teammates. by his "I'm immunized" statement and not following the protocol of unvaccinated players. His decision to ignore the rules may hurt the Packers in fines and draft choices and put his teammates at a greater risk of contacting Covid. A piss poor example of leadership. I was and will always be a Packer fan, long before Rodgers got here and will be long after he is gone. It's not a me sport, it's a team sport. Wishing Jordan Love success and hope he doesn't get injured. Go! Pack! Go!
Bitternotsour
November 04, 2021 at 08:01 pm
the rules that were collectively bargained at the onset of the pandemic. rules that his football brothers all agreed to.
his lying to ryan wood at that press conference was something else. watch his eyes during that answer. he knows he's lying. he thinks thru the lie as he tells it. he just lies anyways.
what an incredible phony.
Joknows
November 05, 2021 at 08:02 am
Piss poor? The only thing you lead is your dog outside to take a piss
MainePackFan
November 04, 2021 at 07:31 pm
Maybe we should trade for Cousins. Apparently what matters to Stephen A Smith and lots of my fellow Pack fans in here is that Rodgers wasn't man enough to tell you all what you don't want to hear. Would it make a difference if he said to the a$$hole reporter (trying to make a name for himself) that he hadn't actually stuck a needle in his arm but had been through a Doctor approved immunization. Nope. Many of you hate the man regardless of what he says or does. Personally, I hope he finishes his career in Green Bay and wins several Super Bowls just so I can watch the haters show some love for a Hall of Fame QB that this organization has been blessed to have. I will await and accept your downvotes like a man :)
Packers0808
November 04, 2021 at 07:38 pm
Hey each to his own as should be.
MainePackFan
November 04, 2021 at 07:48 pm
Agreed
Johnblood27
November 04, 2021 at 09:24 pm
all you each to your own types are the first to want more rules and restrictions on individuals you dont agree with.
hypocrites.
Rodgers lied, his career died. Check for Braun, Ryan as a reference.
Caden819
November 05, 2021 at 12:57 pm
"his career died" is laughable
Johnblood27
November 05, 2021 at 03:31 pm
I had to tie in some sort of a rhyme...
Im no poet.
Johnblood27
November 06, 2021 at 05:20 pm
well, his health care endorsement sure died.
thumbs down that you ignoramus!
canadapacker
November 04, 2021 at 08:00 pm
Bottom line he lied - he misconstrued his vaccination status - he tongue in cheek mispresented his vaccination status with forethought - ie I am immunized. Now we probably wont know what that means - maybe some of Trump's javex bleach? maybe some Intervectin maybe remedesvir and therefore actually nothing works except wearing a mask and staying at home or away from people. GEESH
Irish_Cheesehead
November 04, 2021 at 11:13 pm
Would it make a difference? Why, yes. Yes it would.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:30 am
Homeopathy is woo and not doctor-approved. If AR was so goddamn certain that the wooshit he tried was effective, he actually would've said something like "I'm not vaccinated, no, but I've been on a diet consisting of fairy wings and unicorn farts, which my woo-doc has assured me will keep me from getting covid, the common cold, and common sense."
canadapacker
November 04, 2021 at 07:42 pm
Stephen A. Smith: 'Aaron Rodgers is a liar. Period.' I dont like Stephen A Smith - I think that he just talks to hear himself and the more outrageous he can be the more outrageous he does - but in this case he is absolutely CORRECT.
It is going to take a lot for AR to dig himself out of this hole. First he needs to get vaccinated ( first shot or J&J - if he only wants one shot) and then he needs to absolutely without reservation with as much humility and without any type of excuse or anything APOLOGIZE and keep on apologizing until the cow some home.
Otherwise he is just a lying rich boy dufus.
https://www.tsn.ca/NFL/video/stephen-a_-smith-aaron-rodgers-is-a-liar-pe...
MainePackFan
November 04, 2021 at 07:59 pm
Why would he cave to your wants and needs. I say Go ARod!!! Win the Super Bowl!!! That would be the best FU to all you haters. Maybe someday you will understand that players are people and they are not perfect. I'll take Aaron Rodgers imperfections any day over the Henry Ruggs of the world. But by all means hate on as you root for Rodgers in the playoffs.
canadapacker
November 04, 2021 at 08:06 pm
Be honest about it - I am not happy with the Packers - I would rather have had the Columbus Blue Jackets approach - they removed both players and assistant coaches from the team . Playing football or hockey is a professional show business presentation for the public - and as a business they do have to right to ensure the safety of their staff, fellow players and employees and those in the stands. That is Columbus's attitude and one that I wish that more teams would take. Yes it is your right not to get vaccinated - but then stay at home or only go wherever you are able to safely go and not catch it or give it to somebody else.
MainePackFan
November 04, 2021 at 08:22 pm
You obviously feel that the Covid protocols have worked. I don't. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree my friend. GPG!!
Caden819
November 05, 2021 at 01:02 pm
"Yes it is your right not to get vaccinated - but then stay at home or only go wherever you are able to safely go and not catch it or give it to somebody else" Its also everyone's right to do whatever they please. That's what the constitution is for, If you're scared of covid then YOU stay at home
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 03:49 pm
"Its also everyone's right to do whatever they please. That's what the constitution is for"
Exactly which clause in the Constitution says "Any citizen of this Republic may do whatever he wants without hindrance from any other citizen of the Republic." NONE. The Constitution sets out how the country's government is supposed to work and governs how the states relate to each other; it also guarantees that no state can usurp federal power or laws.
Try shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theater and see what that gets you. Try taking any firearm into Wisconsin's State Capitol and see how quickly you're arrested. You could also try lighting a cigarette in any bar or restaurant just for shits and giggles and see how quickly you're evicted.
Doing what you want when you want to, everyone else be damned, is called "anarchy". It's no way to run a country, and it's certainly no way to run a life. Grow the hell up and become an adult.
Caden819
November 06, 2021 at 12:56 am
It’s actually the 9th amendment in the Bill of Rights.
“The government shouldn’t disparage the other rights of citizens according to the clause. That is the general issue included in the Ninth Amendment.
These rights can consist of the right to plant flowers, the right to paint your toenails, and the right to eat what you want, among many others. All these are rights not denied to people just because they aren’t in the Constitution.”
I understand if you didn’t pass basic government in high school.
“Grow the hell up and be an adult”
I am an adult, that’s why I have the right to not take an experimental vaccine that was developed in 1 year. That’s why I have the right to do as I please. That’s why I have a right to not take an experimental vaccine that is still going through clinical trials. I’ll take a chance against a virus with a 98% survival rate that mainly kills old and overweight people. You love to preach the “science” behind this vaccine but fail to understand the history around the way vaccines are developed. If you don’t believe the 98% survival rate then go ahead and do the math yourself, it goes hand in hand with science :)
SwedeBayPacker
November 04, 2021 at 11:35 pm
Calling out a player for lying to the league, endangering his fellow teammates and hurting the organization isn't "hating", you schmuck.
Caden819
November 05, 2021 at 01:03 pm
Considering the league, the packers, and his teammates knew he wasn't vaccinated makes you the "schmuck"
Joknows
November 05, 2021 at 08:08 am
You are a true Canuck. Who the heck are you? I bet you sit in front of cnn 12hrs a day collecting government checks. Apologize lol for what? That he's not a sheep like you and that he can actually come up with original thoughts and process them all by himself? Lol
canadapacker
November 05, 2021 at 03:08 pm
I liked that - I was out working and not sitting in front of my Ipad so I didnt see your dumb insulting remark - however I see by the number of downvotes at least a bunch of people agree that the remarks were dumb and not true. And no - in Canada we have CBC. If you think that he can be dishonest about his vaccination status and carry on knowing that the NFL did not approve of what he supposedly had taken - then that is why he should apologize. Conspiracy theory - He knew that he was not getting vaccinated and so as a diversion he leaked the info to Schefter so that it would be released on Draft day. That would set the GB management back a bit and that is why they never really called him out on it?
Fubared
November 05, 2021 at 06:19 pm
I use to fish up in Canada with family and had a lot of Canadian friends back in the60's. Since the the country has gone communist and Candians are a bunch of cork soakers and mother frockers.
How well did you Hosers take care of Covid. You pissed all over your pants trying to avoid the shots and thousands died.
Glad my former states of Minn and Mich wont let people into Canada we dont want stupid coming here
stormin
November 04, 2021 at 07:49 pm
The sad part is the poor team is going to get beat, Jordan Love is far from the answer for the future.
Oppy
November 05, 2021 at 04:46 am
Maybe Love is, maybe Love isn't.
Just understand what you've just stated was exactly what a great deal of people said about Aaron Rodgers the first 4 years of his career.
Rossonero
November 04, 2021 at 09:59 pm
We can set aside the vaccination debate for another day. Each NFL player can choose what they want to do, but have the balls to shoot straight with us and your teammates rather than thinking you're being smart and lying to us.
When you get asked "are you vaccinated?" and you think you're being clever by saying "yeah, I've been immunized," the truth will always find a way to bite you.
It's biting Rodgers now. Hard....the frustrating part is, it won't just bite him. This is going to bite the Packers in terms of possible losses, other sickened players or staff who bring it home to their family members, lost dollars in fines, or maybe even a lost draft pick.
What I think most folks are sick and tired of is wealthy and powerful people thinking they are above the rules or the law. THEY ARE NOT! They are not special, they have to abide by the same rules just like the rest of the players who signed up to the same agreement with the NFL. I'm tired of this diva shit man. Play out the season and then trade his ass for draft picks in 2022. Sell high while the price is still good. I'll always treasure Rodgers for his incredible talent and amazing throws. He's an insane talent....but at some point, the music stops and the party's over.
Packers0808
November 04, 2021 at 08:32 pm
Makes me wonder what his worth will be after this bullshit drama. If I were player on another team would I feel comfortable around a guy who would put my health in jeopardy and not being a team player. My thinking his worth has sunk considerably AMONG Many people!
Cubbygold
November 05, 2021 at 06:35 am
Let's just hope his ego isn't too bruised from the universal ass kicking it's (rightfully) getting at the moment. I can see this guy retiring before he lets GB trade him for a haul of talent/picks. That's the route I'd go, but we'll see if Rodgers can handle that type of rejection or if he steps in to prevent it. Dude still talks about getting passed over in the draft, can you imagine the mental breakdown of being told 'wed rather have a few draft picks than you'.
Rossonero
November 05, 2021 at 03:04 pm
Well, he's supposedly livid at his vaccination status being revealed, which is silly considering he is a public figure. It's also no secret that he petitioned the NFL for "alternative treatments" early on and was denied, so that was a red flag right there. What did he expect? Yeah, he likes to the draft as a chip on his shoulder, I guess whatever works for him, but I can only imagine how upset he'll be if he got traded. LaFlelur has done a masterful job of handling his ego and rolling with the punches. He's gotta be tired of it.
Fubared
November 05, 2021 at 06:07 pm
Havent heard one player coming out and chastising him. They are all of the same mold, I protect your back you protect mine and we all keep out feelings and big mouths to ourselves.
Aka oBJ, did not hear one Brown player say good riddence
Packfangirl
November 04, 2021 at 09:43 pm
So, I started with a long comment, then decided to H*** with it! I'm not here to judge or be judged by anyone.. I'm here because I love the Green Bay Packers! I REALLY hope we can come away with a win this weekend... I have a good feeling about it.... I hope the best for Jordan Love and hope he settles in early, I'm sure nerves will play a part, but he has a very good team around him as well as a great coaching staff. He also has had time to sit behind one of the greatest of all time and Learn...It may be that the Chiefs could look past us because we are missing Aaron, and that could be their biggest mistake. Here's to a big win!!! Go Pack Go!!! Go Pack Go!!!
Irish_Cheesehead
November 04, 2021 at 11:20 pm
I agree! This is Love’s team now! I hope he lights ‘em up! Go Pack!
Joknows
November 05, 2021 at 08:26 am
Hahaha Love is hot trash. If we win it will be because of our defense and running game.
davekenya
November 05, 2021 at 09:27 am
Nobody knows (yourself and me included) how good Love will be. Until a QB plays a season or so...then, finally, one can begin assessing. (Otherwise a number of HOF QBs would've been cut or released and not had careers at all.)
Main point: hmmm....what exactly is wrong with winning games with defense and a good running game? If that got us to a SB win, would we be complaining about our QB?
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:43 am
To your point, davekenya: Peyton Manning looked like crap leading the Colts to a 3-13 record in his rookie year. Troy Aikman also looked like crap in his first year. Brett Favre threw four passes in two games during his rookie year - and two of those were picked off (I think both returned for TDs, but could be very wrong about that), and Aaron "covid boy" Rodgers looked pedestrian at best leading GB to a 6-10 record in 2008.
Any coach who had cut or traded any of them after their rookie years would look like an idiot and never work as an HC in the NFL again - see Jerry Glanville if you need an example, @joknows.
I also agree with your second point. Trent Dilfer has a SB ring because his team had an all-time-great defense and a good running attack. No one complained about Dilfer's lack of all-world talent.
Spock
November 06, 2021 at 11:21 am
"Brett Favre threw four passes in two games during his rookie year - and two of those were picked off..." -And, as a side note, his FIRST pass was to: himself (it was batted by a defender back into Brett's hands), so only one of those four passes from the future HOF QB actually went to a receiver!
Cubbygold
November 05, 2021 at 06:10 am
What's interesting to me is that Love doesn't have to be great for this team to win a lot of games. He just needs to be able to avoid turnovers and operate the system. Anything else is icing on the cake.
MLF is this teams future superstar and leader, if this team believes love can simply show up and perform his responsibilities, it's a new era in Green Bay.
HaroldDrake
November 05, 2021 at 03:48 am
Rodgers has inadvertently made his exit strategy much easier now. This latest bit of passive-aggressive deception reveals the less appealing side of his Zen Master façade. What is obvious is his moral failing as one of the NFL's greatest QBs of all time, having taken on the mantle of a public figure and one of the most recognisable athletes in the U.S. When you attain such status, you have to weigh your words carefully and Rodgers chose to deliberately mislead the press and the public by employing the word "immunized" in answer to the question as to whether he had been vaccinated. He then doubled down on his lie by stating that he would not judge "others" who has chosen not to get vaccinated, further implying that he was vaccinated. This is part of his cleverly constructed narcissistic ego complex that saw him try to escape the kind of criticism that has been levelled against Kirk Cousins and Kyrie Irving, for example. But at least those idiots had the courage of their ludicrous anti-vaxxer convictions. Rodgers engaged in a blatant act of willful deception that will forever tarnish his legacy and certainly diminishes his standing in the hearts and minds of those who worshipped him as a hero - including me.
But perhaps the greater failing is not that of hubris but of leadership - at least from the perspective of the leader of a football team looking to gain every advantage possible - that of failure to "carry the G," the mantra coined by either Aaron Nagler or Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers' choice of bogus homeopathic "treatment" in place of vaccination has placed his team at a terrible disadvantage. This is gross negligence and dereliction of duty. As the field commander of the Packers and its de facto leader, Rodgers had a responsibility to swallow his New Age Homeopathic Quack Science pride and get the jab to avoid the possibility of a 10-day quarantine mandated by the NFL for unvaccinated players who test positive for COVID. Now that possibility has become a reality and forced Jordan Love into an emergency start against Kansas City. I've been dismissive of Love in the past and framed his presence on the team as the result of Gutekunst's grossly premature QB transition plan. But now I'm looking forward to seeing what Love can deliver under pressure. Rodgers' departure in 2022 is more likely than ever now, and I'm no longer regarding that as a catastrophic event. It might even be a blessing.
Joknows
November 05, 2021 at 08:13 am
Hahaha great story harry no one cares about your liberal political bullshit
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:45 am
You'd be much more at home at Acme Packing Company. Feel free to slither over there soon - I hear they have a rock ready for you to crawl under.
Reghamster
November 05, 2021 at 11:29 am
A lucid and thoughtful commentary per usual Harold . My chief upset over Rodger's lies and the complicit behavior towards those lies by both the Packers and the League is that Rodgers and company willingly exposed his unvaccinated self to countless people who were unaware. These range from the media , his Halloween party friends and to no doubt many others who crossed his path in the last 9 months or so since the vaccines availability. I am confused by MLF's saying he doesn't pay attention to the media when apparently unless I am mistaken someone like Allen Lazard does his media appearances via Zoom which is the recommended way for those unvaccinated . Apparently the team and league knew AR's unvaccinated status so they could have not allowed those unmasked media events to occur easily . So there is failure on that regard all over . It once again points to the special treatment of certain star athletes by the league so as to not expose their dirty linen in public and hurt their "brand" . I am sure fines and loss draft choices will occur and even possibly a suspension or two. Rodgers post career has taken a nose dive too. No Jeopardy hosting now . No place in the ESPN booth or wherever . He is rich enough so who cares though!
I am not so certain however that this means Rodgers is definitely gone next year . AR was probably admitting earlier on the Pat MacAfee show how he appreciated among many things not least how Gute and MLF were covering his ass during this period . This whole mess means I think that teams will not trade for AR in the same way . He will garner much less in the way of future draft picks and or traded players. Maybe so much so that the Packers won't see that great of an advantage trading (similar to the O J Beckham waiver release today). (Btw Gute go get Beckham cheap!) Time will tell about the future.
I agree about Love . It will show us what he might bring to the future Packers . I always felt we needed a good backup considering the Henly and other QB debacles that ruined our playoff chances previously. I suspect the Chiefs will load up the box and not allow a running game and pressure Love who as any rookie will make too many incompletions or interceptions. It is SOO rare for a rookie to come in and succeed right away . Let's hope so all the same . GPG since '21
Reghamster
November 05, 2021 at 11:29 am
A lucid and thoughtful commentary per usual Harold . My chief upset over Rodger's lies and the complicit behavior towards those lies by both the Packers and the League is that Rodgers and company willingly exposed his unvaccinated self to countless people who were unaware. These range from the media , his Halloween party friends and to no doubt many others who crossed his path in the last 9 months or so since the vaccines availability. I am confused by MLF's saying he doesn't pay attention to the media when apparently unless I am mistaken someone like Allen Lazard does his media appearances via Zoom which is the recommended way for those unvaccinated . Apparently the team and league knew AR's unvaccinated status so they could have not allowed those unmasked media events to occur easily . So there is failure on that regard all over . It once again points to the special treatment of certain star athletes by the league so as to not expose their dirty linen in public and hurt their "brand" . I am sure fines and loss draft choices will occur and even possibly a suspension or two. Rodgers post career has taken a nose dive too. No Jeopardy hosting now . No place in the ESPN booth or wherever . He is rich enough so who cares though!
I am not so certain however that this means Rodgers is definitely gone next year . AR was probably admitting earlier on the Pat MacAfee show how he appreciated among many things not least how Gute and MLF were covering his ass during this period . This whole mess means I think that teams will not trade for AR in the same way . He will garner much less in the way of future draft picks and or traded players. Maybe so much so that the Packers won't see that great of an advantage trading (similar to the O J Beckham waiver release today). (Btw Gute go get Beckham cheap!) Time will tell about the future.
I agree about Love . It will show us what he might bring to the future Packers . I always felt we needed a good backup considering the Henly and other QB debacles that ruined our playoff chances previously. I suspect the Chiefs will load up the box and not allow a running game and pressure Love who as any rookie will make too many incompletions or interceptions. It is SOO rare for a rookie to come in and succeed right away . Let's hope so all the same . GPG since '21
HaroldDrake
November 05, 2021 at 12:52 pm
Hi RGH!
Thank you for the compliment. I usually only attract the low IQ, MAGA trolls who patrol this website as is the case with the QAnon-type above.
Yes, I am also troubled by MLF's non-denial denial comment. He also looked very testy at the press conference answering this line of questioning so I am sure he is not happy about taking some of the heat that AR12 should be absorbing for his grand deception.
And you're also correct in thinking that AR12 has likely diminished his trade value and it would be interesting to pull a Belichick and acquire Beckham for the Last Dance run to the Super Bowl.
But isn't is irritating to the extreme that Rodgers is his own worst enemy at times and he has largely lost the respect and support of many who stood by him while he questioned Packers' management philosophy and pushed the team to hire Randall Cobb. I almost have trouble believing that he engaged in deliberate deception over his vaccination status. After philosophizing so much about mindfulness and his inner journey of the past year, you immediately raise the bar when it comes to personal integrity. Lying to the media and by extension the world at large is not what we expect from a man of superior intellect and seeming embrace of spiritual principles.
Finally, is Rodgers deluding himself into believing that homeopathic quack treatments can give him immunity against a VIRUS!!!! And this is why he chose NOT to get vaccinated? For someone who runs a bookclub on McAfee, he doesn't seem to be reading the scientific literature and numerous clinical studies regarding the efficacy of the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines which use an entirely new technology against the coronovirus that is much superior to traditional vaccines (i.e. polio and chicken pox).
Perhaps we gave Rodgers too much credit for being an intellectual. I don't know a single college-educated individual who has NOT been vaccinated amongst the twenty or so friends I'm in touch with on a semi-regular basis. According to Pew Research, vaccination rates are highest with college-educated people (81%) and with college-educated people who support the Democratic Party (95%). That says a lot.
Cubbygold
November 05, 2021 at 02:10 pm
To your fourth paragraph... I was thinking about this on my walk to work this morning. He's got this book club, and many of the books are about mindfulness and similar topics. Nobody's perfect... you can't read these books and suddenly be perfect... but this is the exact type of situation you'd read in a book. This exact situation will likely be used by writers like Ryan Holliday in future books on stoicism on exactly what not to do. 'Aaron Rodgers - Ego is the Enemy'
I just shake my head and hope I don't make the same mistake someday.
HaroldDrake
November 05, 2021 at 04:18 pm
Hi Cubbygold!
Rodgers went on McAfee today and set the record straight from his perspective. Essentially, it boils down to the fact that he believes in alternative medicine and the ability of homeopathic treatment as an effective defense against COVID - UTTER NONSENSE. He also believes in Ivermectin despite all the recent studies (verifiable clinical studies) that showed ZERO benefits to taking Ivermectin.
Let me immediately dispose of the Ivermectin argument.
Ivermectin has been called a Covid "miracle" drug, championed by the anti-vaxxer hysterics, and even recommended by health authorities in third word countries. But there are serious errors in a number of key studies that the drug's promoters rely on.
For some years ivermectin has been a vital anti-parasitic medicine used to treat humans and animals. But during the pandemic there has been a clamour from some proponents for using the drug for something else - to fight Covid and prevent deaths. And almost every one of the 26 small and limited studies that tried to show the benefits of Ivermectin have subsequently been exposed as using improper methods as well as manipulation and falsification of the date as in Iranian and Lebanese studies, to cite only two of the worst offenders.
The largest and highest quality Ivermectin study published so far is the Together trial at the McMaster University in Canada. It found no benefit for the drug when it comes to Covid.
But one of the scientists - Dr. Mills of McMaster - worked on a separate study of the benefits of fluvoxamine (chemically similar to Proxac).
This new clinical trial shows that fluvoxamine—typically prescribed to treat depression, anxiety, and obsessive-compulsive disorder—shortened hospital stays for people battling severe COVID infections.
The findings, published in The Lancet Global Health last Wednesday, could be a huge breakthrough to save patient lives and shorten the recovery from COVID—not least because fluvoxamine is incredibly cheap and can be administered orally. The study also showed that administering fluvoxamine to the control group showed that people in the group who received the actual drug as opposed to the placebo were nine times less likely to die.
But Rodgers has not read or referred to any of this literature. And (gasp) he further revealed that he consulted Joe Rogan - yes, the MMA fighter posing as an Everyman YouTube guru - for advice in how to treat COVID.
I feel sorry for Rodgers that he has gone down the wormhole of the anti-vaxxer brigade even though he absolutely denied that he is a part of that world. He says that he hid his true vaccination status to avoid being tarred and feathered by the "wokist" thought police who would certainly have attacked him for not getting vaccinated. But in his McAfee promotional appearance he did not admit that he "lied" when it is clear that he deliberately "lied" about being vaccinated by stating in response to the August press conference question that he has been "immunized", and did so knowing that everyone would interpret his statement that he was "immunized" by means of vaccination and not by quack homeopathic "immunization" therapy.
But of course the intellectually limited McAfee and his paid stooge AJ Hawk failed to challenge his claim that he didn't lie or even that he knowingly deceived the public. This is the danger of YouTube podcasters who are simply jock charlatans in desperate search of followers (albeit Hawk is very wealthy and simply appears on McAfee as a way of keeping his name in the public eye).
CRITIQUE OF RODGERS' ARGUMENTS
If Aaron Rodgers followed an homeopathic treatment that boosted his immune system defenses against COVID, why is he unwilling to share this treatment with the rest of the world?
Surely if he believes in the validity of his homeopathic treatment and that he believes it is an effective alternative preventive treatment against COVID, then he should be willing to share his knowledge with the unenlightened masses.
Rodgers further discussed how his homeopathic regimen boosted his "natural immunity" to disease and specifically to COVID.
There is no "natural immunity" to COVID. You only acquire such immunity by HAVING had COVID which carries substantial risks. Rodgers has not the slightest idea of how COVID attacks the body and triggers a violent antibody reaction that is actually what damages people's lungs and kills them.
Rodgers fundamentally misunderstands the nature of COVID. In fact, if you have an exceptionally strong immune system your body may well unleash a greater immune system response that actually makes the illness worse. This is known as a cytokine storm.
CYTOKINE STORM - AARON RODGERS, PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY
One of the major reasons COVID can be fatal is that it unleashes what is known in the medical literature as a cytokine storm, the body's immune system's overreaction to the covid-19 virus.
Cytokines are small proteins released by many different cells in the body, including those of the immune system where they coordinate the body’s response against infection and trigger inflammation. The name ‘cytokine’ is derived from the Greek words for cell (cyto) and movement (kinos).
Sometimes the body’s response to infection can go into overdrive. For example, when SARS -CoV-2 – the virus behind the covid-19 pandemic – enters the lungs, it triggers an immune response, attracting immune cells to the region to attack the virus, resulting in localised inflammation. But in some patients, excessive or uncontrolled levels of cytokines are released which then activate more immune cells, resulting in hyperinflammation. This can seriously harm or even kill the patient.
Cytokine storms are a common complication not only of covid-19 and flu but of other respiratory diseases caused by coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS. They are also associated with non-infectious diseases such as multiple sclerosis and pancreatitis.
The phenomenon became more widely known after the 2005 outbreak of the avian H5N1 influenza virus, also known as “bird flu”, when the high fatality rate was linked to an out-of-control cytokine response.
Cytokine storms might explain why some people have a severe reaction to coronaviruses while others only experience mild symptoms. They could also be the reason why younger people are less affected, as their immune systems are less developed and so produce lower levels of inflammation-driving cytokines.
Homeopathic remedies can do NOTHING to counteract this kind of immune system overreaction and even if it were true that the homeopathic treatment Rodgers received did in fact improve his immune system that would imply that his body would react in an even worse way to the virus!!!
Finally, to dispense with the homeopathic treatment regimen, only a proper clinical study with two groups - one received the regimen, and the other receiving a placebo - can legitimately and definitively attest to the efficacy of such a treatment. Aaron Rodgers can't just go on a widely watched podcast and boast of the effectiveness of such a treatment - how the hell does he know? He simply hopes or believes that it works? What are the scientific proofs of the efficacy of his treatment? How is he measuring the strengthening of his immune system and how in particular can he calculate or determine its specific ability to fight the complex viral infiltration of the human body that takes place when COVID infects people????
Obviously, he cannot offer any evidence on any of these points. All he is doing is spreading anecdotal information and the kinds of unscientific bogus theories that Joe Rogan and others spread under the guise of "individual freedom to choose" when it comes to NOT being vaccinated.
Rodgers's great grievance is with the drug companies and he is implying that Pfizer and Moderna are only manufacturing the vaccine to make money with no regard for the efficacy of their vaccines. The studies undertaken by these companie show that those who are vaccinated have far greater chance of avoiding hospitalization and death than those who are unvaxxed. Of course one can say that Pfizer and Moderna have fixed the results. However, these studies have been independently verified by many scientific bodies who have no connection to Pfizer and Moderna and that these results relating to reduction of infection and death rates were confirmed.
Rodgers is pushing simplistic and fallacious notions. The fact that he is NOT vaccinated makes him MORE likely to contract the virus and MORE likely to infect others whether or not they have been vaccinated or not.
Further, explaining that he consulted Joe Rogan - former MMA fighter and intellectual thug - as to what treatments he should follow is further indication of where his head is at.
Why doesn't Rodgers identify his specific allergies that makes the vaccines dangerous for him? That might prevent other "uninformed" people from committing suicide by taking the mRNA vaccines whose component ingredients are supposedly harmful. One has to come to the conclusion that Rodgers is talking out of his hat and using the excuse of "allergies" to justify not taking the vaccine.
Why doesn't Rodgers want to alert others to his unique knowledge of potentially dangerous substances in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines that are MORE dangerous than the dangers of contracting COVID?????
Rodgers delivered a litany of unfounded arguments and tangential defenses to his refusal to get vaccinated as well as his self-delusional belief that he did not "lie" to the public.
The man has simply lost his bearings and has entered into his own New Age bubble where he justifies individual freedom of choice and autonomy over one's body as taking precedence over the greater good that comes from engaging in a form of social responsibility to one's fellow human beings by getting vaccinated.
Rodgers claims that he is not an "anti-vaxxer" yet the logic of his position is such that he would reject taking the polio, smallpox, chicken pox, and flu vaccines by saying that this violates one's right to self-determination when it comes to one's body. Fine, but society does not live in a closed bubble football team complex. Rodgers can isolate himself at home for as long as he wishes but others have to go out and work in enclosed offices, take the subway, and generally come into close contact with other members of society. That is why we all need to get polio, smallpox, and chicken pox vaccines and have been doing so for many decades.
Covid-19 is simply the latest virus to attack the global population and we need to defend ourselves against on the basis of the best science available - not Aaron Rodgers' pseudo-scientific, ad hoc, quack homeopathic remedy that he improvised in consultation with his medical team.
Dear Aaron Rodgers,
If you are so convinced of the efficacy of your treatment regimen, please be so kind as to make it available to the general public instead of hiding behind your highly convenient cloak of secrecy.
Don't take cover by means of your slavish devotee McAfee and dimwitted enabler AJ Hawk to make your case to the public. Come clean!
MainePackFan
November 05, 2021 at 07:00 pm
Wow. You sure do value your opinion. Dr Fauci would be proud.
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 07:49 pm
Sounds like he's still as dizzy as his Family. By the way, Katalin Kariko' and Drew Weissman should be holding the Nobel Prize in Medicine. The dynamite committee in un-vaxxed Sweden must have been all a flutter as they stubbornly watch their economy trail the rest of Scandinavia and the Eurozone. Sad.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:04 pm
1000 thumb's up!
I don't think it's his hat Rodgers is talking out of.
On a less medical/more Packers note, it was reported on local news at 6 that Rodgers also admitted to intentionally flouting NFL covid protocols because he thought they were unscientific (yes, the man who thinks homeopathy is a cure for covid said that. *sigh*).
This is most definitely a throwing down of the gauntlet by Rodgers. Assuming that this report is true, I do not see how Goodell cannot suspend AR for multiple games. I would suspect that they may wait until after Sunday's game - if Love does really well, a possible (not plausible by any means) scenario would be the team to tacitly agree to a rest of the season suspension.
It's going to get even more interesting, folks,
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 07:40 pm
Try a little Kilgore Trout
Bitternotsour
November 05, 2021 at 04:34 pm
regarding McAfee and #50, I watched the interview hoping for an apology, and instead think I got real time schooling on CTE. Sheesh.
Joknows
November 06, 2021 at 12:25 pm
I find it quite comical how half of you liberal political nut jobs have your panties in a bunch over a grown man making a choice (you know liberty and freedom and all that jazz) to not get vaccinated and pursue alternate treatments. But yet you are to scared to have an opinion about Henry Ruggs driving 157 mph with his 20 yr old gf in the car drunk AF killing a woman and her dog. Lets hang ARod but you know Henry its cool we feel sad for you and too scared to talk about it bc he's a different ethnicity your so "woke" LMFAO!!! pathetic and spineless wimps
HaroldDrake
November 05, 2021 at 04:02 am
The moral hazard underlying Rodgers' selfish decision to not get vaccinated:
Here is an extract from a leading medical/scientific journal:
"People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.
“They absolutely do reduce transmission,” says Christopher Byron Brooke at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. “Vaccinated people do transmit the virus in some cases, but the data are super crystal-clear that the risk of transmission for a vaccinated individual is much, much lower than for an unvaccinated individual.”
A recent study found that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant are 63 per cent less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-yo...
Joknows
November 05, 2021 at 08:20 am
Sweet now you're a doctor harry. Alan Lazard not vaccinated gets covid does not play. Davante Adams vaccinated gets covid does not play. You're 63% more challenged than I thought you were. Btw for the rest of you liberal nut jobs. I am vaccinated and no I don't sit in front of a news source asking what I should think next or who I should always vote for. Sure as heck sounds like half you do with your ridiculous and narrow I can't think for myself minded comments. Just saying lol
Bitternotsour
November 05, 2021 at 09:17 am
gosh. did you click the link? reading is fun-damental.
lazard had to sit because he was unvaccinated and had close contact. he didn't contract covid (as far as I know). There is a league-wide policy that mandated isolation because of his decision to not get vaccinated. Lazard knew that was a possibility and he opted not to get the vaccine. If you're vaccinated close contact doesn't make you isolate (or there would be no quarterbacks available this weekend). We should all be thanking our lucky stars that Jordan Love cared enough about the team (and himself, his family and the community) to get vaccinated.
LightningBauer
November 06, 2021 at 08:04 am
Hey, Harold. Not attacking you hear, just asking you question....
What are people most upset with Aaron Rodgers about? That he didn't get vaccinated or that he led people to believe he did?
Cubbygold
November 05, 2021 at 06:06 am
"Have you been vaccinated?"
"Yeah, I've been immunized"
Liar.
Coward.
Poor leadership.
Joknows
November 05, 2021 at 08:23 am
Cubby must be the leader of you clowns. He seems like the brighter one with his innovative thinking. I'm surprised he spelled those sat words correctly he must have on auto correct.
LightningBauer
November 06, 2021 at 09:01 am
Gotcha. Makes sense. So you're not upset that he wasn't vaccinated, but that he made it seem like he was, when he wasn't.
Does recent news change anything for you? Like that he found out he is allergic to something in the vaccinations? And he did an alternative form of immunization?
LightningBauer
November 06, 2021 at 09:01 am
Gotcha. Makes sense. So you're not upset that he wasn't vaccinated, but that he made it seem like he was, when he wasn't.
Does recent news change anything for you? Like that he found out he is allergic to something in the vaccinations? And he did an alternative form of immunization?
LightningBauer
November 05, 2021 at 06:52 am
I think most people knew that "I've been immunized," meant that he wasn't vaccinated.
I don't appreciate how the GilMartin saying that it was a lack of leadership to not be vaccinated. There is more leadership in sticking with what you believe and not going against your conscience. Aaron seems pretty serious about what he does to his body and I respect that.
Coldworld
November 05, 2021 at 09:49 am
If you read the whole statement it is clear that he is clearly stating that he is not one of the people who chose not to get vaccinated, from whom he expressly differentiates himself. It’s not really possible to read it as you suggest taken as a whole.
Had he said what Cousins did, I might disagree but I’d uphold his right to stand by his principles as long as he took appropriate steps not to jeopardize those of others. He did not, and that’s the reason that your defense fails in his case.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:49 am
What is there about "Leaders don't put their teams at risk by engaging in behavior that affects both their own ability to play every game and the team's ability to not be penalized by the league" that is so hard to understand? All he had to do was come clean about his anti-vax stance AND THEN TAKE THE PROPER PRECAUTIONS TO PREVENT WHAT HAS HAPPENED FROM HAPPENING. The fallout from this is not necessarily done yet. We won't know until after Monday or so whether he spread covid to anyone else on the Packers.
Packers0808
November 05, 2021 at 10:06 am
I believe you about 100% wrong in thinking that people thought Rodgers WAS NOT vaccinated. Rodgers is flat out a liar and a stooge for what he did, if he gets deathly ill it is no ones fault but his own. I personally care less from here on in if he ever appears again in a Packer uniform for being a disgusting manipulator! I hope the Packers put up 40 or more points this weekend winning or losing to show Man Bun he is not indispensable
PackAttack4155
November 05, 2021 at 06:59 am
All this talk about possible fines for the team and Rodgers. How can the NFL, who has known Rodgers is unvaccinated since he requested his pseudoscience treatment be deemed as viable as a vaccine jab, penalize team or player? First and foremost the blame is on the NFL itself. They didn't enforce their own rules on Rodgers all season. How many post game interviews, how many times on the sideline was he not wearing a mask and they did nothing? Fault lies on the league's lack of enforcement, not the Packers or even Rodgers.
badaxed
November 05, 2021 at 08:09 am
Yes, the league has blame also. Who will make the nfl responsible? No one. When a player can make a team (organization) not only bow down but prostrate itself to the wims of a player, what power does the nfl have to police itself. It appears the nfl will grovel and make a token penalty on the organization to save face and in effect it too bows down to it's star diva.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:52 am
There's no evidence that the NFL knew AR was unvaccinated. As the league stated, it's up to the teams to police the policy. If the NFL was told by the Packers that AR was vaccinated (by not including him on any reporting showing vaccination status by player, for example, if such reporting is required), then the NFL will come down like a ton of bricks on MLF, Gutekunst, Murphy, and the team itself.
If the NFL did indeed know and did nothing, them ironically we're pretty much in the clear, as you state. I'd expect a 6-figure fine as punishment, and that's all.
dekan51
November 05, 2021 at 11:18 am
"Fault lies on the league's lack of enforcement, not the Packers or even Rodgers."
So true, yet so false. Sadly, it doesnt matter what the NFL knew, it only matters what the Packers knew...and they knew AR was not vaccinated....
Fubared
November 05, 2021 at 06:03 pm
Many moons ago with the smoking issue, the State govt I worked for said no smoking in buildings. I sat down with our Dist, Eng and he basicaly said, we have no way to police this in our outlying areas since were not there. Lets just say dont do it and hope they dont.
Fubared
November 05, 2021 at 06:01 pm
The NFL cannot make you get the vaccine, They turned down the alternate method but that doesn't mean they assumed he ran out and got the real vaccine. That's info they arent allowed to have.
All they can do to protect others from those who refuse to get it -Karen, is to say, must wear a mask inside facilities. GB failed to make sure that happened so they are in trouble
FallingUpNow
November 05, 2021 at 08:54 am
Or, did he outsmart the media not to go through all of the scrutiny other unvaccinated players went through. Since the league denied his waiver and labeled him unvaccinated, they knew of his status. They should not act like it was a surprise to them. An investigation doesn’t make sense because they should have already been monitoring team compliance to protocols based on his and other unvaccinated players’ status.
Hopefully, he does not get sick and returns next week.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:56 am
Your assumption that the league knew AR was unvaccinated is unfounded at this point by any evidence. Yes they denied his wooshit exemption request, but instead of assuming that he was unvaxxed they could also have assumed he was vaxxed. Especially if they were TOLD he was vaxxed by the team, either directly or by omission from reporting (if there is such reporting).
We will know only when the team's punishment is released. If AR lied to the league through the Packers, everyone involved is in a world of hurt. If not, then a six-figure fine and "nothing to see here".
Coldworld
November 05, 2021 at 12:39 pm
Possibly. It depends on timing. When did they reject his request for an exemption and what if anything was communicated since?
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 03:59 pm
Exactly. The major points here are; 1.What did the league know and when did they know it? and 2. Did the team at any point mislead the league as to AR's covid status? The team is in the clear if they kept the league in the loop the entire time. Without this knowledge, everything else is just speculation - which we on this site seem addicted to :)
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:47 pm
And now it appears that Rodgers has admitted to intentionally flouting the covid protocols. Sheesh. Looks like the shit is going to REALLY hit the fan now, as this tacitly implicates the team because it appears that they intentionally let him get away with it.
FallingUpNow
November 05, 2021 at 11:54 pm
Looks like the league found out during preseason. If it’s true they’ve been following all protocols except for the press conferences, it might not be too bad.
dekan51
November 05, 2021 at 11:12 am
"They should not act like it was a surprise to them."
How they should act and how they will act are 2 different things. The NFL is a bureaucracy full of hypocrisy, but they still call the shots. They clearly say that enforcement is the job of each team, not the NFL. What they new or didnt know is irrelevant. They will come down hard on the Pack. Why? Because the NFL knows that the Packer FO knew AR wasnt vaccinated, and they still let him conduct press conferences inside unmasked. That just for starters, but its big....
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
November 05, 2021 at 09:16 am
Yes, Rodgers is a damn good QB! There is no getting around it. As a Packer fan I have been spoiled with him on the Packers as QB.
Part of being such a good player is having the swagger, the arrogance, and the confidence. It is pretty essential to have in order to be both a good player and a team leader. Aaron is 37 years old and soon to be 38 years old. He is not the early 20 something player anymore but he is still at the top of his game.
Have any of you known someone that is a celebrity with unlimited money? Particularly a younger male that at an early age has way too much money and prestige than they should? I have and I have seen what it does to most people whether people in Hollywood, business, or even in politics. Many names come to mind!
Think about if you were Rodgers and you are 37-years old, a superstar athlete, a multi-millionaire, hobnobbing with Hollywood elites, on TV commercials everywhere, a nearly $30 million dollar home on the beach in Malibu, name and face recognition, and throw in the adoration from millions of fans around the world. An athlete that has 6 months off a year to sit around and think about life. This is fantasy isn't it? He has all this but he still has 6-months a year to play, and/or do nothing. He has everything and frankly I believe he is somewhat bored, particularly during off seasons when he has so much time on his hands. If he doesn't have 300 lb lineman blitzing him for an adrenalin rush he needs to manufacture and create his own adrenalin rush. He has way too much time on his hands and being an intellectual one of the ways to do this is to be coy, and to play mind games. I am pretty confident in saying I believe he has been doing this for years with the Packer organization, as well as with people around him. I suppose you would say he is the master manipulator. Rodgers isn't a bad person but he is a narcissist and for him these are fun games. I believe the Packer organization and coaches have been dealing with this behavior for years. Hence, why Mark Murphy says Rodgers is a 'complicated fella'.
After some reflection and as crazy as it sounds I actually feel sorry for Aaron Rodgers. He has everything and he is still a few years shy of 40-years old. For all of us he lives a fantasy life and has everything, but for Rodgers it isn't enough. There is the constant what more is there? What else is there for me to do? What more can I achieve? He is already a shoo-in for the HOF, and of course wanting more Super Bowls because they are so elusive which will keep him wanting to play football for as long as he can. However, I am talking about his personal life. For most of us we cannot comprehend this but when someone has everything including unlimited finances and fame combined with youth they are constantly bored and seeking their next adrenalin rush and inspiration.
This past off-season the maligned Packer front office could not get rid of Rodgers because of fan perception and support for Rodgers. Should Love play well these next two games (yes, I think he will play the next two games) combined with how hard the NFL comes down on the Packer organization I believe Rodgers behavior will have finally caught up with him. Great player or not but should Love show more than just potential, and should the NFL take some draft choices away from them the fans will have finally given the front office permission with fan support to ship Rodgers off to another team this off-season.
Should all this play out somewhat as outlined above it is all on Rodgers. It will be unfortunate but this off-season the unthinkable realization occurred for me, which was Rodgers time with the Packers was needing to come to an end prematurely. I believe this whole misleading "I'm immunized" comment and then flaunting NFL covid protocols putting players, coaches, and their families at risk, along with the possibility of NFL sanctions against the organization will be Rodgers ending with the GBP's. If true, I hope the Packers find a team that will provide them a treasure trove of draft picks and players for continued excellence moving forward. With months to prepare myself with the realization the Packers and Rodgers are no longer compatible I can accept this outcome. Life is about change and the Packers with Love will be just fine. I have said it many times previously, but Gutey has significant more value to the Packers than Rodgers. Between Murphy, Gutey, and LF the Green Bay Packers will be extremely competitive for a long time with or without Mr. Rodgers. It still is a shame because it did not need to end this way. It just didn't!
Reghamster
November 05, 2021 at 11:55 am
Interesting commentary Mr Snot but I and I suspect most people are not feeling particularly sympathetic to AR at the moment! One grows tired of hearing how rich professional athletes have such a hard time of it. Their lives are considerably better than most of us in so many ways . They don't need or deserve our pity. AR is a fabulous quarterback whom I have enjoyed watching. I have said previously how I would rather have a Rodgers or Favre over an Eli Manning even though Manning won 2 Superbowls in his 16 years versus 1 a piece by our Pack Heroes . . Sports are an entertainment. Fans pay quite a bit of their hard earned money to enjoy them. When athletes of whatever stature make bone headed mistakes (particularly ones like this which involve risking other's health and involve massive lying etc ) , they deserve our condemnation not our sympathies!
Reghamster
November 05, 2021 at 11:52 am
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Packers0808
November 05, 2021 at 02:14 pm
How do you delete something on this page?f If I may ask? Not too tech savvy in my old age!
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 04:01 pm
You edit the double post, then replace the text with whatever you want; in this case, "Deleted".
Of course I could be wrong, but that's what I've done in the past.
Cubbygold
November 05, 2021 at 02:23 pm
Yup, this is MLF's team and he's the centerpiece moving forward, with a great GM that's providing him with the tools he needs to have success post-AR12. I too hope another GM hands him a haul of picks/talent this offseason.
PyschoDad3
November 05, 2021 at 04:12 pm
Hoping to find an alternative sound stream for this Sunday's game so I don't have to listen to Buck and Aikman and the rest of the Fox losers go on about Rodgers, the Packers, and the vaccine mess. Any suggestions? In the end the only opinions that matter (I think) are those of this teammates and the rest of the organization. The question Rodgers should be pondering is how he expects to lead this team going forward. I wish someone would have told Rodgers what I saw in a movie once,, one character got a bad case of the mumbles about the truth of something, and the other (playing the President of the US) said "Do you have a problem with the English language,,, then speak it plainly please".
Oh well,, Deflategate didn't seem to hurt Brady,,, Maybe Shotgate won't be a problem for AR.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 10:00 am
The best alternative to Buck/Aikman is the Mute button on your remote. Another option is to try to get a foreign language feed of the game on your computer. You won't be able to understand a word anyone says, but your can sense the excitement when something good happens to either team. The radio is always 5 seconds ahead of the TV feed, unfortunately.
dekan51
November 05, 2021 at 10:55 am
"In the end the only opinions that matter (I think) are those of this teammates and the rest of the organization."
Sadly, no. The opinion of the NFL matters...a lot. AR has a right to not get vaxed, but he doesnt have the right to ignore the rules that unvaxed players have to follow. And it clearly states that it is the teams responsibility that the rules are followed, not the NFLs. So the Pack may lose AR to suspension for up to 4 games, and lose day 3 draft picks.
All those thing matter.....
4thand1
November 05, 2021 at 10:00 am
Every vaccine has risks. Do people who get vaccinated for covid get covid, yes. Over 7 billion covid vaccines have been administered worldwide. The risks are so slim of dying from it can barely be measured. The reward of not dying are so great from getting vaccinated it far outweighs the risk of not. The data is there, look it up. I find it sad that over 98% of people dying have been unvaccinated and almost all could have lived if they got the shot. IMO people are not dumb who don't get vaccinated, they're misinformed. I see people in here name calling (I'm guilty too) and posting what they believe, the data and proof is out there for anyone. I studied it, I got vaccinated, I feel safe. I hope all Packer Backers will be around to cheer on the Pack fors years to come. GOPACKGO.
Since'61
November 05, 2021 at 10:09 am
I have been a huge Rodgers supporter over the years and I have been vocal about it here on CHTV.
However, I don't do stupid and I don't accept it from professional in any field of endeavor. I never had a problem if someone who worked in my company made a mistake. That happens and it's reality. On the other hand doing something stupid in a professional organization is unacceptable because it impacts the entire organization and other people who are conducting themselves as professionals.
Professionals are well paid and should be. Rodgers is certainly a salary leader among the professionals in all of sports. With that salary comes responsibility. He has a responsibility to protect himself and in the case of Covid his teammates and coaches from a delay virus which can afflict the entire team. He also has a responsibility IMO to tell the truth when asked a simple yes or no question about his vaccination status.
I didn't mind Rodgers offseason BS because I never believed that it would impact the team on the field and it hasn't. But this situation is and will impact the team and if it becomes long term could impact our chances for this season.
Rodgers is a well-educated guy who has responsibility to his organization. This situation is totally unnecessary. Therefore it is just being stupid to me. I have immediate family members who are doctors. I remember when Covid was at its worst and they were helping out on the front lines at their hospital treating Covid patients. I spent that entire time thinking not only could one or both of them become infected and possibly infect my grand children or the possibility that my grand children could lose one of the parents. Then the vaccine came out and I started to feel better again, plus they are back a their regular roles at the hospital.
I will only say this to the anti-vaxxers, you may choose not to get vaccinated for whatever reason, but remember that if you become infected you could impact the lives of someone else's family who ends up treating you at a medical facility. Not to mention the potential longterm effects the virus may have on yourself. Another point, the longer we allow this virus to last the more often it will mutate and become more deadly and more difficult to treat even with the vaccine. Everyone stay safe and be well. Thanks, Since '61
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 04:11 pm
I like your philosophy on "stupid" in a professional setting. In one of my first professional jobs a century ago, a manager had a simple philosophy: "No surprises". This meant that if one of her employees made a mistake - especially one that impacted customer relations - that employee should tell her immediately. The result would be no discipline but some meetings to ensure that the mistake wouldn't happen again. Failure to do this - i.e. covering up a mistake - would result in immediate discipline and possible termination.
In other words, if she heard about your non-trivial mistake from her boss or the owner of the company or even worse, the customer, then you were toast.
One person did indeed cover up a non-trivial mistake and was summarily fired for it. I and several others over the three years I worked for her also made some rather dumb but impactful mistakes but self-reported them to her, and the policy was implemented as she promised.
I took that philosophy with me to other jobs and in one case kept myself from being fired for a rather stupid mistake by involving my manager immediately after I discovered it. He actually helped me correct the mistake and no one else ever knew it had happened.
To me, "Stupid" when applied professionally has always meant making a poor decision or a bad mistake and then not being honest, but covering it up instead. Sort of like a certain QB did.
Since'61
November 05, 2021 at 07:22 pm
jurp - your points are correct. Mistakes happen but be smart enough to acknowledge them and ask for help. That is what I always told my people. Now there were times when I had people in as many as 20-25 countries at the same time. Therefore email and phone calls were the primary means for communicating mistakes and corrective measures.
My business partner and I made it a habit to touch base with our people just about it every day. We also touched base with the CEOs of the companies that we had projects with to be sure we were getting both sides of the story.
sometimes I had to get on a plane and make it right the customer myself. I once flew 26 hours from Santiago. Chile to Seoul, Korea through LA to save a project and a client. It happens but I got there before the project blew up. That's accountability and responsibility.
That's where Rodgers failed in this situation. He didn't get vaccinated, OK. But then he lied about it and then he failed to act responsibly to the organization and his team mates. As a professional that behavior is unacceptable to me and should be unacceptable to any professional whether in sports, doctors, lawyers, musicians, actors, etc.
When you are on the job do your job it's that simple. If you have a problem ask for help.
I love to watch Rodgers play QB but I have zero sympathy for him in this situation. Stay safe. Thanks, Since '61
fastmoving
November 06, 2021 at 02:56 am
Since 61 you are always one of the good ones for how I see the world. I never saw a post from you (on the small and generell things of football life) that was out of line. I did not agree with you on some AR stuff but thats more than ok.
This post here is great even I guess it was not easy to right. Thank you anyway and for me you are some of the guys I would think of when it comes to "Packer People"
Greetings from Germany.
Since'61
November 06, 2021 at 09:00 am
fast-moving, I appreciate that you have taken the time to write your very kind reply.
I always enjoy your posts and look forward to reading them. I have been a "Packer Person" for a long time now.
I hope that all is well is Germany and I wish you to be well and stay safe. Thanks, Since '61
Fubared
November 05, 2021 at 10:16 am
Before I retired I use to bring in First Aid?CPR trainers to teach our employees. One thing that I remember them telling the students" if there is no pulse and your suspect the person dead, there is no such thing as doing CPR wrong because there i nothing worse then dead"
Rogers and anyone else who thinks the vax is dangerous is weighing that against actually getting covid and taken the chance you win. You may not, others have died, not to mention passed it on to people they came in contact with. Thus, Rodgers is selfish in that he plays a contact sport, trains closely with others, in not in his own private office separated from people. He didnt take any of this into consideration, he only thought of himself. Time to leave Karen
Fubared
November 05, 2021 at 10:29 am
Dear Santa, I know its early but this request is not for me its for someone else. I wish a certain person with the intials AR, would get a rash over his entire body except his feet so he can walk around and complain.
Remember Santa when I got poison ivy as a kid. Please make this twice as bad as that. Thank you Santa, I wont ask for anything else except when the Packers are getting their asses kicked by KC, no packer goes down for the season.
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 11:32 am
I am looking forward to seeing Jordan play. And if he is surrounded by Adams, Lazard, Bakht, and maybe MVS...I truly like the Pack's chances.
Also helpful is he has been practicing as the starter all week, so I expect Matt and Nate and Luke have been spinning up a great game plan for him.
Heavy doses of infantry to create opportunities for the Air Force! GPG!
Reghamster
November 05, 2021 at 12:03 pm
Personally , I would have preferred AR to have been vaccinated and our Packers and fans collectively not getting the chance to see Love starting. I fear with no ground game being allowed by the Chiefs , Love will make too many incompletions and one too many interceptions. Effectively forcing the Air Force into a difficult turf landing. But hey GPG since , 1900
Reghamster
November 05, 2021 at 12:03 pm
Personally , I would have preferred AR to have been vaccinated and our Packers and fans collectively not getting the chance to see Love starting. I fear with no ground game being allowed by the Chiefs , Love will make too many incompletions and one too many interceptions. Effectively forcing the Air Force into a difficult turf landing. But hey GPG since , 1900
LambeauPlain
November 05, 2021 at 02:47 pm
The Chief have "allowed" the opponents run most of the season.
With Adams, Lazard and the crafty Cobb, if the Chiefs crowd the box too heavily, Love will love his reads.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 05, 2021 at 03:29 pm
Personally, I think Love is going to torch the Chiefs.
Dr.Rodgers
November 05, 2021 at 04:21 pm
Personally , I would have preferred AR to have been vaccinated and our Packers and fans collectively not getting the chance to see Love starting. I fear with no ground game being allowed by the Chiefs , Love will make too many incompletions and one too many interceptions. Effectively forcing the Air Force into a difficult turf landing. But hey GPG since , 1900
Cubbygold
November 05, 2021 at 02:12 pm
Yup, lean on the run to open the opportunities to pass. I like our chances and, though I'm not a betting guy, feel the +7.5 spread is laughable.
Qoojo
November 05, 2021 at 12:27 pm
Homeopathic treatment kind of puts a dent in that cerebral image that Rodgers has been cultivating.
Combined with everything else we have learned over the years, Rodgers is a drama vortex. The drama queen ceiling for him is as high as his QB talent. Not to mention his ability to detect slights against him and hold it against people.
Packers0808
November 05, 2021 at 02:19 pm
Just saw what Rodgers said today the was supposedly allergic to something in Pfizer and the Moderna shot, it was probably honesty and the truth he was allergic too! Some other excuse for the J&J shot as well. He is blaming the "woke" culture for his lying what ever the hell that culture is!
Reghamster
November 05, 2021 at 03:06 pm
Sorry I just got in from the Woke Culture practice range where I was testing out some new cancel culture scope cross hairs . Then I had to pick up some of those unique nails from Ace's for the special culture cancel coffin I am building
So we finally got the latest from the Pat McAfee show . It used to be the best part of watching Rodgers came on Sunday. Now it is hearing his press comments on the the Pat McAfee Show . Did you catch the bit about being allergic to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines . There is only one shared ingredient ... sugar. Besides if there had been an allergy involved he would have qualified for a medical exemption from the League . He can't stop lying ?!!
I am glad he tried the Joe Rogan approved Ivermectin at least. I am sure when he asked his doctor about it his Doctor said " Aaron you're just enough of a horse's ass that it might just help "
I am just waiting for the political cartoon where AR walks by a young George Washington and a chopped -down cherry tree. And the caption reads . " Hey Kid if they give you any sh** ., just blame the Woke Up people and the cancel culture ".
Cubbygold
November 05, 2021 at 03:16 pm
I have no idea if what you're saying is true... but you know that the Packers media is going to be chomping at the bit to ask Rodgers questions after this. So you know for a fact that someone is going to do the work to see what the ingredients are, and if the only common ingredient is sugar, they're going to have a field day with it.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 04:20 pm
See my quotes from the WSJ below. It's true. He blamed everyone but himself. And Joe Rogan.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 05, 2021 at 03:22 pm
Sugar can can cause gas and bloating. Maybe it was less an allergy and more a request by Shailene.
Reghamster
November 05, 2021 at 04:36 pm
Good point . Shailene and maybe the whole Packers locker room and organization. The info about sugar being the only common ingredient was from an English newspaper ' The Independent ' I believe. They gave a chart covering the issue . The other point is if he was allergic he would have qualified for a medical exemption and could have made that clear to the media . It is just more self serving mendacity is all.
Bitternotsour
November 05, 2021 at 06:31 pm
Excuse me, but I thought he was engaged to be married to woke culture.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 04:20 pm
It's officially gotten worse: Rodgers was on McAfee and has attacked pretty much everyone. He claims to be allergic to the two mRNA vaccines (this is a new one) without specifying how, said that he doesn't trust J&J's vaccine (without saying why), and said he's friends with Joe Rogan and followed his advice to use monoclonal antibodies and ivermectin.
Some quotes from The Wall Street Journal's story about this:
"He [Rodgers] later added: 'The right is gonna champion me, and the left is gonna cancel me. And the whole time, I don’t give a shit about either of them. Politics is a total sham.'
"Rodgers’ comments represent an extraordinary pushback to the health protocols that sports implemented to keep playing during the pandemic. They also make Rodgers, the league’s reigning Most Valuable Player, the most prominent athlete to cast doubt on vaccines and question the scientific establishment. While the overwhelming majority of professional athletes in major American sports leagues are vaccinated, Rodgers and Brooklyn Nets star Kyrie Irving are high-profile exceptions whose refusals to get the shot have placed them at the center of the nation’s culture wars.
"Rodgers said on Friday he believed he was immunized because of his conversations with 'healers' rooted in holistic and homeopathic medicine, saying they worked to stimulate his immune system."
"Rodgers, who was subject to daily tests under the NFL’s protocols for unvaccinated players, said that his first symptoms appeared on Tuesday night before he tested positive on Wednesday. He remained symptomatic on Thursday and “didn’t feel great,” but he said he was improving by Friday. "
"'I realize I’m in the crosshairs of the woke mob right now, so before my final nail gets put in my cancel-culture casket, I think I’d like to set the record straight on so many of the blatant lies out there,' Rodgers said."
Shame he didn't set the record straight on the first most blatant lie: "Are you vaccinated?" "Yeah I'm immunized."
Rodgers also pushed back hard against the NFL's own covid policies, apparently forgetting that they were agreed to by his own union. I don't think this is going to end well for him.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 05, 2021 at 05:03 pm
Guess he didn't get his immune system stimulated enough. Wonder what he thinks of his holistic crap now? Dude should have retired. He's a head case.
HaroldDrake
November 05, 2021 at 04:40 pm
Attention All Woke Mobsters:
Rodgers went on McAfee today and set the record straight from his perspective. Essentially, it boils down to the fact that he believes in alternative medicine and the ability of homeopathic treatment as an effective defense against COVID - UTTER NONSENSE. He also believes in Ivermectin despite all the recent studies (verifiable clinical studies) that showed ZERO benefits to taking Ivermectin.
Let me immediately dispose of the Ivermectin argument.
Ivermectin has been called a Covid "miracle" drug, championed by the anti-vaxxer hysterics, and even recommended by health authorities in third word countries. But there are serious errors in a number of key studies that the drug's promoters rely on.
For some years ivermectin has been a vital anti-parasitic medicine used to treat humans and animals. But during the pandemic there has been a clamour from some proponents for using the drug for something else - to fight Covid and prevent deaths. And almost every one of the 26 small and limited studies that tried to show the benefits of Ivermectin have subsequently been exposed as using improper methods as well as manipulation and falsification of the date as in Iranian and Lebanese studies, to cite only two of the worst offenders.
The largest and highest quality Ivermectin study published so far is the Together trial at the McMaster University in Canada. It found no benefit for the drug when it comes to Covid.
But one of the scientists - Dr. Mills of McMaster - worked on a separate study of the benefits of fluvoxamine (chemically similar to Proxac).
This new clinical trial shows that fluvoxamine—typically prescribed to treat depression, anxiety, and obsessive-compulsive disorder—shortened hospital stays for people battling severe COVID infections.
The findings, published in The Lancet Global Health last Wednesday, could be a huge breakthrough to save patient lives and shorten the recovery from COVID—not least because fluvoxamine is incredibly cheap and can be administered orally. The study also showed that administering fluvoxamine to the control group showed that people in the group who received the actual drug as opposed to the placebo were nine times less likely to die.
But Rodgers has not read or referred to any of this literature. And (gasp) he further revealed that he consulted Joe Rogan - yes, the MMA fighter posing as an Everyman YouTube guru - for advice in how to treat COVID.
I feel sorry for Rodgers that he has gone down the wormhole of the anti-vaxxer brigade even though he absolutely denied that he is a part of that world. He says that he hid his true vaccination status to avoid being tarred and feathered by the "wokist" thought police who would certainly have attacked him for not getting vaccinated. But in his McAfee promotional appearance he did not admit that he "lied" when it is clear that he deliberately "lied" about being vaccinated by stating in response to the August press conference question that he has been "immunized", and did so knowing that everyone would interpret his statement that he was "immunized" by means of vaccination and not by quack homeopathic "immunization" therapy.
But of course the intellectually limited McAfee and his paid stooge AJ Hawk failed to challenge his claim that he didn't lie or even that he knowingly deceived the public. This is the danger of YouTube podcasters who are simply jock charlatans in desperate search of followers (albeit Hawk is very wealthy and simply appears on McAfee as a way of keeping his name in the public eye).
CRITIQUE OF RODGERS' ARGUMENTS
If Aaron Rodgers followed an homeopathic treatment that boosted his immune system defenses against COVID, why is he unwilling to share this treatment with the rest of the world?
Surely if he believes in the validity of his homeopathic treatment and that he believes it is an effective alternative preventive treatment against COVID, then he should be willing to share his knowledge with the unenlightened masses.
Rodgers further discussed how his homeopathic regimen boosted his "natural immunity" to disease and specifically to COVID.
There is no "natural immunity" to COVID. You only acquire such immunity by HAVING had COVID which carries substantial risks. Rodgers has not the slightest idea of how COVID attacks the body and triggers a violent antibody reaction that is actually what damages people's lungs and kills them.
Rodgers fundamentally misunderstands the nature of COVID. In fact, if you have an exceptionally strong immune system your body may well unleash a greater immune system response that actually makes the illness worse. This is known as a cytokine storm.
CYTOKINE STORM - AARON RODGERS, PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY
One of the major reasons COVID can be fatal is that it unleashes what is known in the medical literature as a cytokine storm, the body's immune system's overreaction to the covid-19 virus.
Cytokines are small proteins released by many different cells in the body, including those of the immune system where they coordinate the body’s response against infection and trigger inflammation. The name ‘cytokine’ is derived from the Greek words for cell (cyto) and movement (kinos).
Sometimes the body’s response to infection can go into overdrive. For example, when SARS -CoV-2 – the virus behind the covid-19 pandemic – enters the lungs, it triggers an immune response, attracting immune cells to the region to attack the virus, resulting in localised inflammation. But in some patients, excessive or uncontrolled levels of cytokines are released which then activate more immune cells, resulting in hyperinflammation. This can seriously harm or even kill the patient.
Cytokine storms are a common complication not only of covid-19 and flu but of other respiratory diseases caused by coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS. They are also associated with non-infectious diseases such as multiple sclerosis and pancreatitis.
The phenomenon became more widely known after the 2005 outbreak of the avian H5N1 influenza virus, also known as “bird flu”, when the high fatality rate was linked to an out-of-control cytokine response.
Cytokine storms might explain why some people have a severe reaction to coronaviruses while others only experience mild symptoms. They could also be the reason why younger people are less affected, as their immune systems are less developed and so produce lower levels of inflammation-driving cytokines.
Homeopathic remedies can do NOTHING to counteract this kind of immune system overreaction and even if it were true that the homeopathic treatment Rodgers received did in fact improve his immune system that would imply that his body would react in an even worse way to the virus!!!
Finally, to dispense with the homeopathic treatment regimen, only a proper clinical study with two groups - one received the regimen, and the other receiving a placebo - can legitimately and definitively attest to the efficacy of such a treatment. Aaron Rodgers can't just go on a widely watched podcast and boast of the effectiveness of such a treatment - how the hell does he know? He simply hopes or believes that it works? What are the scientific proofs of the efficacy of his treatment? How is he measuring the strengthening of his immune system and how in particular can he calculate or determine its specific ability to fight the complex viral infiltration of the human body that takes place when COVID infects people????
Obviously, he cannot offer any evidence on any of these points. All he is doing is spreading anecdotal information and the kinds of unscientific bogus theories that Joe Rogan and others spread under the guise of "individual freedom to choose" when it comes to NOT being vaccinated.
Rodgers's great grievance is with the drug companies and he is implying that Pfizer and Moderna are only manufacturing the vaccine to make money with no regard for the efficacy of their vaccines. The studies undertaken by these companie show that those who are vaccinated have far greater chance of avoiding hospitalization and death than those who are unvaxxed. Of course one can say that Pfizer and Moderna have fixed the results. However, these studies have been independently verified by many scientific bodies who have no connection to Pfizer and Moderna and that these results relating to reduction of infection and death rates were confirmed.
Rodgers is pushing simplistic and fallacious notions. The fact that he is NOT vaccinated makes him MORE likely to contract the virus and MORE likely to infect others whether or not they have been vaccinated or not.
Further, explaining that he consulted Joe Rogan - former MMA fighter and intellectual thug - as to what treatments he should follow is further indication of where his head is at.
Why doesn't Rodgers identify his specific allergies that makes the vaccines dangerous for him? That might prevent other "uninformed" people from committing suicide by taking the mRNA vaccines whose component ingredients are supposedly harmful. One has to come to the conclusion that Rodgers is talking out of his hat and using the excuse of "allergies" to justify not taking the vaccine.
Why doesn't Rodgers want to alert others to his unique knowledge of potentially dangerous substances in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines that are MORE dangerous than the dangers of contracting COVID?????
Rodgers delivered a litany of unfounded arguments and tangential defenses to his refusal to get vaccinated as well as his self-delusional belief that he did not "lie" to the public.
The man has simply lost his bearings and has entered into his own New Age bubble where he justifies individual freedom of choice and autonomy over one's body as taking precedence over the greater good that comes from engaging in a form of social responsibility to one's fellow human beings by getting vaccinated.
Rodgers claims that he is not an "anti-vaxxer" yet the logic of his position is such that he would reject taking the polio, smallpox, chicken pox, and flu vaccines by saying that this violates one's right to self-determination when it comes to one's body. Fine, but society does not live in a closed bubble football team complex. Rodgers can isolate himself at home for as long as he wishes but others have to go out and work in enclosed offices, take the subway, and generally come into close contact with other members of society. That is why we all need to get polio, smallpox, and chicken pox vaccines and have been doing so for many decades.
Covid-19 is simply the latest virus to attack the global population and we need to defend ourselves against on the basis of the best science available - not Aaron Rodgers' pseudo-scientific, ad hoc, quack homeopathic remedy that he improvised in consultation with his medical team.
Dear Aaron Rodgers,
If you are so convinced of the efficacy of your treatment regimen, please be so kind as to make it available to the general public instead of hiding behind your highly convenient cloak of secrecy.
Don't take cover by means of your slavish devotee McAfee and dimwitted enabler AJ Hawk to make your case to the public. Come clean!
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 08:12 pm
Going down that road, why not gargle Drano? The concept of anti-oxidants and healthy diet play a part in strengthening the overall efficiency of the immune system, but are not capable of altering viral transmission in DNA..
If that was the case we would all be walking around with garlic cloves around our necks. Speaking as a vegetarian since 1974 and a vegan nowadays, I feel much more secure with my Moderna booster in my body, today versus a crystal ring reflecting in someone's grill as they fight upper respiratory contagion.
HaroldDrake
November 06, 2021 at 03:34 am
Hi JB!
I'm sure some people have tried bleach and drano and wound up in the ER. I'm still staggered that Rodgers is an anti-vaxxer, albeit not the "flat-earther" variety, not that that gives him any more credibility. I always assumed that his New Age Buddhist Zen mentality would not influence his view of the clinically-verified, scientifically proven efficacy of mRNA vaccines. I couldn't imagine that Rodgers would subscribe to homeopathic quackery, either. Of course, there may be people who benefit from the placebo effect of drinking some of the magic potions (some of which contain small amounts of arsenic!!!) that homeopaths administer to their "patients." But when it comes to fighting COVID and the complex way in which it infiltrates the body, only a rigorously tested vaccine can hope to prevent the virus from causing severe illness and death. And the statistics, not that anyone bothers to read them or believe them, bear this out.
The problem with Rodgers and the anti-vaxxers (as well as the so-called "vaccine hesitant") is that they do not want to believe in science. They would rather listen to YouTube pseudo science and consult former MMA fighters turned podcaster intellectual thugs like Joe Rogan for sage counsel. This is where Rodgers' pretensions to intellectual acuity and out-of-the-box thinking comes acropper.
While delivering his PR address via Pat McAfee, Rodgers ranted about how the drug companies are effectively cashing in on the COVID crisis with the implication being that this undermines the urgent societal need to reach 90% vaccination levels in order to defeat the virus and end this scourge on daily life. Of course Pfizer and Moderna are making billions - but drug companies make billions anyway. They deserve credit for developing effective new mRNA vaccines in record time - never before has a vaccine been created in such a short time frame. Futher, the new technology involved in mRNA vaccines is FAR superior than traditional vax technology. But of course the anti-vaxxers would have children die of polio, suffer severe bouts of chicken pox, and let older people die of the flu all because Dr. Andrew Wakefield - now barred from practicing medicine - wrote a paper that was later discredited and debunked claiming a connection between vaccines and autism. But no one on the right ever bothers to read all the numerous studies that clearly show that Wakefield's paper was bogus and that his findings were proven to be ludicrous.
The admission by Rodgers that he trusts in the efficacy of his homeopathic treatment against COVID is further indication of his intellectual limitations. I would think that a clever, rational, critical thinker would know that every treatment - whether that provided by big pharma or by the local homeopath witch doctor - has to be subjected to a major clinical trial to verify the claims of its developers. This is common sense as much as adherence to long-standing scientific/medical methodology.
And as I have mentioned ad nauseum, if Rodgers is so convinced that his homeopathic treatment has conferred upon him "immunity" to Covid-19 and thereby allows him and others to enjoy robust protection against the harmful effects of the virus, THEN SHARE THIS MIRACLE CURE WITH THE IGNORANT MASSES!
But of course Rodgers is smart enough to know that his witch doctor's potions are scientifically unproven and would most likely invite instant ridicule and condemnation by people who have studied and devoted their lives to developing drug treatments at the world's leading universities and research facilities many of which of course are funded by big pharma. It doesn't make any difference that Pfizer and Moderna are making massive profits with their vaccines - that is a political and economic question. Of course, one can imagine a grand conspiracy where the government - in this case it was that great philosopher/philanthropist/healer Donald Trump who actually did the right thing by setting in motion the record-breaking search vaccines to prevent COVID - is in league with big pharma to force the public to take a vaccine to enforce its control over individuals and deprive them of their liberty. Why? Cui bono?
Oh, well. It's time to enjoy my morning latté - the drink of choice for liberals who stand in the way of MAGA neo-fascists - and watch Bill Maher. I'm looking forward to Jordan Love demolishing KC tomorrow night and I'm going to pretend that Rodgers will one day see the light, get the jab, and fly his private jet to San Francisco or wherever he wishes to display his special skills as a football player rather than as a virologist.
Bure9620
November 06, 2021 at 07:02 am
Spreading disinformation is just simply dangerous. Lets's be clear, people have died listening to this same nonsense. I love how Rodgers used the term "efficacy" of his treatment, which shows the "well read" Rodgers has no clue what that word means. There is no clinical efficacy of his "treatment." The "Deep thinker" and "incredibly intelligent" Rodgers got advice from an MMA announcer to take an anti-parasitic medication for horses to fight covid. He isn't that intelligent, let's just stop with that. Rodgers has done irreparable damage to himself. I am basically done, Let the Jordan Love era begin.
Also NO ONE is saying this. Kudos to Jordan Love for getting vaccinated and being available to his team!
Philarod
November 05, 2021 at 06:15 pm
I wrote this after watching his interview with McAfee and Hawk:
This is a tough one for me. Aaron Rodgers is my favorite player in the NFL, and I consider him the best QB in the Super Bowl Era. (not here to debate that -- it's a side point.) I admire his intelligence, and both his press conferences and his interviews with Pat are terrific. To be honest, I don't agree with him here. At the August press conference, he implied that he had been vaccinated, and yes, I realize that there is a potential difference between "immunized" and "vaccinated." But when he continued his answer then, he seemed to separate himself from the unvaccinated players. I often admire his candor; I wonder why he didn't say some of what he did (today) back then.
One of my problems with AR on this - who should know better -- is his complaining about "wokeness" and "cancel culture". Easy targets, and overused/misused terms.
Also, I wish that AR would think/talk more about getting vaccinated not only for himself, but for the sake of others. This is a tough one for me. I think he's a good guy, but hard to defend him here.
That said, I hope he and those who were around him recover quickly and he's back on the field soon.
GPG
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 09:56 pm
I hope he's back on the field next year, wearing a different team's colors. In the CFL, if it's still in operation. He could join Edmonton - they wear green and yellow, too.
canadapacker
November 05, 2021 at 05:30 pm
McAfee show with AR - what a joke - what a big bunch of lies that cannot be proven ( Doctor - patient confidentiality) but just look at the studies of those who supposedly have a sensitivity to what is in the MRNA vaccines -
""While allergy and/or anaphylaxis to FDA-authorized mRNA vaccines appear to be rare in all demographic groups, based on the present case series, women and those with a previous history of allergic reactions appear to have elevated risk. This is consistent with previous epidemiological data, which has found that approximately 85% of vaccine anaphylaxis cases had a history of prior allergic disease and that women are at a greater risk than men"""
Packers0808
November 05, 2021 at 05:35 pm
When Rodgers got his Covid advice I guess Jake from State Farm wasn't available! Rodgers didn't get his discount!
HaroldDrake
November 05, 2021 at 05:58 pm
ATTENTION ALL WOKE MOBSTERS!
Rodgers went on McAfee today and set the record straight from his perspective. Essentially, it boils down to the fact that he believes in alternative medicine and the ability of homeopathic treatment as an effective defense against COVID - UTTER NONSENSE. He also believes in Ivermectin despite all the recent studies (verifiable clinical studies) that showed ZERO benefits to taking Ivermectin.
Let me immediately dispose of the Ivermectin argument.
Ivermectin has been called a Covid "miracle" drug, championed by the anti-vaxxer hysterics, and even recommended by health authorities in third word countries. But there are serious errors in a number of key studies that the drug's promoters rely on.
For some years ivermectin has been a vital anti-parasitic medicine used to treat humans and animals. But during the pandemic there has been a clamour from some proponents for using the drug for something else - to fight Covid and prevent deaths. And almost every one of the 26 small and limited studies that tried to show the benefits of Ivermectin have subsequently been exposed as using improper methods as well as manipulation and falsification of the date as in Iranian and Lebanese studies, to cite only two of the worst offenders.
The largest and highest quality Ivermectin study published so far is the Together trial at the McMaster University in Canada. It found no benefit for the drug when it comes to Covid.
But one of the scientists - Dr. Mills of McMaster - worked on a separate study of the benefits of fluvoxamine (chemically similar to Proxac).
This new clinical trial shows that fluvoxamine—typically prescribed to treat depression, anxiety, and obsessive-compulsive disorder—shortened hospital stays for people battling severe COVID infections.
The findings, published in The Lancet Global Health last Wednesday, could be a huge breakthrough to save patient lives and shorten the recovery from COVID—not least because fluvoxamine is incredibly cheap and can be administered orally. The study also showed that administering fluvoxamine to the control group showed that people in the group who received the actual drug as opposed to the placebo were nine times less likely to die.
But Rodgers has not read or referred to any of this literature. And (gasp) he further revealed that he consulted Joe Rogan - yes, the MMA fighter posing as an Everyman YouTube guru - for advice in how to treat COVID.
I feel sorry for Rodgers that he has gone down the wormhole of the anti-vaxxer brigade even though he absolutely denied that he is a part of that world. He says that he hid his true vaccination status to avoid being tarred and feathered by the "wokist" thought police who would certainly have attacked him for not getting vaccinated. But in his McAfee promotional appearance he did not admit that he "lied" when it is clear that he deliberately "lied" about being vaccinated by stating in response to the August press conference question that he has been "immunized", and did so knowing that everyone would interpret his statement that he was "immunized" by means of vaccination and not by quack homeopathic "immunization" therapy.
But of course the intellectually limited McAfee and his paid stooge AJ Hawk failed to challenge his claim that he didn't lie or even that he knowingly deceived the public. This is the danger of YouTube podcasters who are simply jock charlatans in desperate search of followers (albeit Hawk is very wealthy and simply appears on McAfee as a way of keeping his name in the public eye).
CRITIQUE OF RODGERS' ARGUMENTS
If Aaron Rodgers followed an homeopathic treatment that boosted his immune system defenses against COVID, why is he unwilling to share this treatment with the rest of the world?
Surely if he believes in the validity of his homeopathic treatment and that he believes it is an effective alternative preventive treatment against COVID, then he should be willing to share his knowledge with the unenlightened masses.
Rodgers further discussed how his homeopathic regimen boosted his "natural immunity" to disease and specifically to COVID.
There is no "natural immunity" to COVID. You only acquire such immunity by HAVING had COVID which carries substantial risks. Rodgers has not the slightest idea of how COVID attacks the body and triggers a violent antibody reaction that is actually what damages people's lungs and kills them.
Rodgers fundamentally misunderstands the nature of COVID. In fact, if you have an exceptionally strong immune system your body may well unleash a greater immune system response that actually makes the illness worse. This is known as a cytokine storm.
CYTOKINE STORM - AARON RODGERS, PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY
One of the major reasons COVID can be fatal is that it unleashes what is known in the medical literature as a cytokine storm, the body's immune system's overreaction to the covid-19 virus.
Cytokines are small proteins released by many different cells in the body, including those of the immune system where they coordinate the body’s response against infection and trigger inflammation. The name ‘cytokine’ is derived from the Greek words for cell (cyto) and movement (kinos).
Sometimes the body’s response to infection can go into overdrive. For example, when SARS -CoV-2 – the virus behind the covid-19 pandemic – enters the lungs, it triggers an immune response, attracting immune cells to the region to attack the virus, resulting in localised inflammation. But in some patients, excessive or uncontrolled levels of cytokines are released which then activate more immune cells, resulting in hyperinflammation. This can seriously harm or even kill the patient.
Cytokine storms are a common complication not only of covid-19 and flu but of other respiratory diseases caused by coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS. They are also associated with non-infectious diseases such as multiple sclerosis and pancreatitis.
The phenomenon became more widely known after the 2005 outbreak of the avian H5N1 influenza virus, also known as “bird flu”, when the high fatality rate was linked to an out-of-control cytokine response.
Cytokine storms might explain why some people have a severe reaction to coronaviruses while others only experience mild symptoms. They could also be the reason why younger people are less affected, as their immune systems are less developed and so produce lower levels of inflammation-driving cytokines.
Homeopathic remedies can do NOTHING to counteract this kind of immune system overreaction and even if it were true that the homeopathic treatment Rodgers received did in fact improve his immune system that would imply that his body would react in an even worse way to the virus!!!
Finally, to dispense with the homeopathic treatment regimen, only a proper clinical study with two groups - one received the regimen, and the other receiving a placebo - can legitimately and definitively attest to the efficacy of such a treatment. Aaron Rodgers can't just go on a widely watched podcast and boast of the effectiveness of such a treatment - how the hell does he know? He simply hopes or believes that it works? What are the scientific proofs of the efficacy of his treatment? How is he measuring the strengthening of his immune system and how in particular can he calculate or determine its specific ability to fight the complex viral infiltration of the human body that takes place when COVID infects people????
Obviously, he cannot offer any evidence on any of these points. All he is doing is spreading anecdotal information and the kinds of unscientific bogus theories that Joe Rogan and others spread under the guise of "individual freedom to choose" when it comes to NOT being vaccinated.
Rodgers's great grievance is with the drug companies and he is implying that Pfizer and Moderna are only manufacturing the vaccine to make money with no regard for the efficacy of their vaccines. The studies undertaken by these companie show that those who are vaccinated have far greater chance of avoiding hospitalization and death than those who are unvaxxed. Of course one can say that Pfizer and Moderna have fixed the results. However, these studies have been independently verified by many scientific bodies who have no connection to Pfizer and Moderna and that these results relating to reduction of infection and death rates were confirmed.
Rodgers is pushing simplistic and fallacious notions. The fact that he is NOT vaccinated makes him MORE likely to contract the virus and MORE likely to infect others whether or not they have been vaccinated or not.
Further, explaining that he consulted Joe Rogan - former MMA fighter and intellectual thug - as to what treatments he should follow is further indication of where his head is at.
Why doesn't Rodgers identify his specific allergies that makes the vaccines dangerous for him? That might prevent other "uninformed" people from committing suicide by taking the mRNA vaccines whose component ingredients are supposedly harmful. One has to come to the conclusion that Rodgers is talking out of his hat and using the excuse of "allergies" to justify not taking the vaccine.
Why doesn't Rodgers want to alert others to his unique knowledge of potentially dangerous substances in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines that are MORE dangerous than the dangers of contracting COVID?????
Rodgers delivered a litany of unfounded arguments and tangential defenses to his refusal to get vaccinated as well as his self-delusional belief that he did not "lie" to the public.
The man has simply lost his bearings and has entered into his own New Age bubble where he justifies individual freedom of choice and autonomy over one's body as taking precedence over the greater good that comes from engaging in a form of social responsibility to one's fellow human beings by getting vaccinated.
Rodgers claims that he is not an "anti-vaxxer" yet the logic of his position is such that he would reject taking the polio, smallpox, chicken pox, and flu vaccines by saying that this violates one's right to self-determination when it comes to one's body. Fine, but society does not live in a closed bubble football team complex. Rodgers can isolate himself at home for as long as he wishes but others have to go out and work in enclosed offices, take the subway, and generally come into close contact with other members of society. That is why we all need to get polio, smallpox, and chicken pox vaccines and have been doing so for many decades.
Covid-19 is simply the latest virus to attack the global population and we need to defend ourselves against on the basis of the best science available - not Aaron Rodgers' pseudo-scientific, ad hoc, quack homeopathic remedy that he improvised in consultation with his medical team.
Dear Aaron Rodgers,
If you are so convinced of the efficacy of your treatment regimen, please be so kind as to make it available to the general public instead of hiding behind your highly convenient cloak of secrecy.
Don't take cover by means of your slavish devotee McAfee and dimwitted enabler AJ Hawk to make your case to the public. Come clean!
4thand1
November 05, 2021 at 06:58 pm
HD, thanks for the informative read. You learn something new every day is true.
Swisch
November 05, 2021 at 06:16 pm
Hooray for Aaron Rodgers standing up to woke madness and tyranny regarding the COVID shot and the NFL's politicization of it.
Just read on ESPN of Rodgers talking about his decision to not take the shot, and why he doesn't think he lied in saying he was immunized.
Much of what he said was courageous and intelligent and fantastic.
I'm not sure what to make about everything he said, as I'll have to think it over.
It's leaders like Aaron Rodgers who help to save America from a herd mentality of blindly obeying an elitist establishment of control freaks like cattle.
***
I'm not saying to get the shot or not get the shot. What I'm advocating is sincerely independent thinking and a resistance to authoritarianism.
It's not high school anymore for the most of us. Let's rise up against peer pressure and the smug sneers of superiority by the supposedly cool kids.
The average Americans are really much nicer, and a lot more fun, too. Our common sense and common decency are much healthier for society than their imaginary ideologies and shrill self-righteousness.
We're your humble next door neighbors, and we don't hold grudges against those who have ridiculed and scorned us. We just want Americans who have been swayed by secularism and socialism to come back to their roots of faith and family and freedom.
You're welcome to rejoin we the people in a solidarity of good will to all.
LeotisHarris
November 05, 2021 at 06:43 pm
" ...are much healthier for society than their imaginary ideologies and shrill self-righteousness...to save America from a herd mentality of blindly obeying an elitist establishment of control freaks..."
Swisch, respectfully, aren't you Catholic?
Swisch
November 05, 2021 at 08:06 pm
Yes, I'm trying my best to be a good Catholic -- which, by the way, invented universities for the intellect such as Oxford and Cambridge and Paris. Actually, the Catholic Church invented science (sources available upon request, although I'll briefly mention the scholar, Rodney Stark, a non-Catholic, as at least somewhat of a supporting witness in his books).
I'm not sure what your point is, Leotis. If you think I'm being too harsh, I do send out a sincere olive branch in my closing sentences. Catholics don't require people to humiliate themselves in admitting their mistakes; most of us have made plenty of mistakes of our own.
It's important to be truthful, though, and not to be wimpy. The secularists and socialists are at war with Christianity and America, and they are dangerous. They want to turn America into the opposite of itself by destroying our common heritage of faith and family and freedom. These elitists want to be our god, our family, and our arbiter of freedom.
***
P.S. Leotis, if I remember correctly that you've done a lot of good work among Native Americans, I would recommend to you a biography of St. Katharine Drexel by Cheryl C.D. Hughes. Here was an American heiress of the Gilded Age (1858-1955) who gave up not only her fortune, but devoted her life, to people of color as Native Americans and African Americans.
In the age of segregation when these people were truly despised and in real peril, she not only stood up for them but stood with them. She and her religious sisters overcame the KKK in Beaumont, Texas, for example, and started a college for blacks in New Orleans, Xavier University.
I realize there are tons of problems in the Catholic Church of today, even some horrible scandals, but that's been the case for much of her history. Yet, this Church endures while nations collapse into history.
Even in my flaws and faults, I seek a true Catholicism of striving to love all people without exception. I'll stick with the Mother Teresas of reform. Also, I was happy to hear there are six black Americans of our nation's history who are being considered for formal sainthood.
See also the life of Father Pierre-Jean De Smet,
I realize you may already know about these people, but in that case I present them as reminders -- based on my faint memory of your past comments.
Anyhow, it's meant in good will, All the best to you, Leotis.
By the way, my wife is part San Carlos Apache, She has worked at an Indian Center of Los Angeles. We've lived near the Navajos in Farmington, New Mexico, and near the Pueblos in Espanola and other towns of New Mexico.
canadapacker
November 05, 2021 at 06:47 pm
What a bunch of blah blah blah - You cannot live in a vacuum unless you want to live in a vacuum. So if you have a cold - dont cough without your hand over your mouth unless you are in your basement and nobody is around. If you have a fever or the flu - stay home from work so that you dont pass it to others ( you never know who is more susceptible to getting really sick from your little flu). With your right to not get vaccinated comes the obligation not to go to where you may get it, or if you have it where you may pass it on. And if you need to go out then you need to follow all of the protocols of distancing, masking and handwashing. It is simple - You cannot be in the team facility unless you are vaccinated or are following all of the rules to the nth degree. Part of that is informing others of your status so that THEY can avoid you if they have some underlying medical conditions ( and THEY - like YOU dont need to tell everybody that).
Swisch
November 05, 2021 at 09:48 pm
canadapacker, Rodgers claims to have followed all the protocols for the unvaccinated at team facilities -- although not at the press facility, and he gives his reasons.
***
People who are vaccinated can still get COVID and spread it to others.
By the way, I'm not all that confident about measuring whether people who get the short are less likely to get COVID, and are less likely to have major effects from COVID. It seems such a comparison would be scientifically difficult, if not impossible, to quantify. Some people who have had COVID don't have symptoms, and don't even realize they've had the virus.
The shots are so new that it seems the experts are doing a lot of guessing. It also seems other experts who disagree are being shunned in a stunning example of unscientific censorship. A true scientist will say the science is never settled (right, Jersey Al?)
For example, America's Frontline Doctors are real medical doctors, too. They may not be perfect in their pronouncements, but seem sensible and brave and sincere and deserving of a fair hearing.
The elitist establishment calls anyone who disagrees with them conspiracy theorists, not to mention white supremacists and homegrown terrorists. A little observation of the American people will show that these are Big Lies.
I hope that the people here at CheeseheadTV don't buy the lie about average Americans as ignorant and bigoted. You haven't turned on so many of your own neighbors, have you, perhaps even family and friends? By the way, were your parents and grandparents really deplorables who need to be erased from American history?
We're far from perfect, but we're genuinely trying to show love to all people without exception. We are still the people of Bedford Falls (and not artificial and garish Pottersville) -- we are the people of. "It's a Wonderful Life."
barutanseijin
November 05, 2021 at 07:45 pm
If you want to believe Q-Aaron is some sort of genius & freedumb fighter go ahead.
But Q-Aaron courageous? He's anything but!
In August, he chose his words so as to deceive. More succinctly, he lied. When confronted with his lie, he threw out red herrings, blamed others and generally evaded responsibility. No courage detected.
At least meatheads like Cousins and Wentz were straight with people. Those are the guys you should be lionizing.
Swisch
November 05, 2021 at 07:57 pm
Perhaps Rodgers should have been more forthright.
However, he does seem to have an excellent point in wanting to avoid the woke witch hunts that are so common these days in denouncing and destroying people.
Rodgers speaks out courageously in his interview of today against lockstep conformity to fanatical politics based not on biology and epidemiology, but imaginary ideology.
***
The elitist establishment wants us to be servile before their cynically selected experts.
Like "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," I'll not be silenced. I'll keep speaking out for common sense and common goodness even if Congress is filled with lies.
As Senator Smith said, you fight for the lost causes harder than all of the other causes, for one simple reason: Love thy neighbor!
I may be an eccentric, a drifter, and somewhat of an old crank nearing 60, but I'll be mingling with the despised masses of we the people.
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 08:33 pm
The corporeal from the "tyranny Response Team" of the indicted and soon-to-be jailed, russian-asset, Alex jones. The acid tongued Liar ruminating in the sludge of texass, promoting witchcraft while big oil gouges the American Consumer.
Bure9620
November 06, 2021 at 06:38 am
Haha, independent thinking can be wrong and spreading disinformation is just dangerous. Let's be clear, PEOPLE HAVE DIED, listening to this same nonsense Rodgers is spreading. Glad you find this an opportunity for a political message.
canadapacker
November 05, 2021 at 06:59 pm
Just some further information to prove that AR is an antivaxxer and doesnt have any type of reason not to get either Moderna nor Pfzier shots """"Data suggest that patients who experience allergy to mRNA vaccines, as well as those who do not experience adverse effects after vaccination, still retain relative protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection. Given the demonstrated safety and real-world effectiveness of these mRNA vaccines, efforts to characterize and encourage reasoned consideration of the relative risks and benefits associated with COVID-19 vaccination among patients with higher risk of vaccine allergy can also help to advance mass vaccination campaigns, including ongoing efforts to address vaccine hesitancy.
For example, when considering the risks associated with COVID-19 vaccination, it is important to note that an estimated 2% to 5% of the US population have experienced anaphylaxis, most commonly to medication, food, or insect stings. However, fatal anaphylaxis is exceedingly rare, with a recent review estimating an annual incidence of fatal drug-induced anaphylaxis at lower than death due to lightning strike in the general population. In contrast, COVID-19 has killed more than 615 000 US residents and made millions ill—some for many months, with a subset who may continue to experience long-term adverse health effects.""
So AR your supposed allergic reaction to something inside the MRNA vaccinations is less likely to kill you than throwing a football in a Thunder storm and getting hit by lightning ----- NEXT LIE.
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 08:35 pm
Well, according the the crackpot preacher and his acolytes, MICROCHIPS are infused into your DNA via the vaccination! What did (i) miss in Professor Crow's Genetic s Lab ??
HaroldDrake
November 06, 2021 at 07:54 am
Hi Jan!
I'm glad to see someone like you posting comments. It's good to have support against the MAGA crowd. If you're not a Patreon, considering signing up so you can participate in the weekly live discussions with Nagler and co.
Best regards,
Harold
Spiker
November 05, 2021 at 08:00 pm
Rodgers medical advice is from Joe Rogan, clown emeritus.
jannesbjornson
November 05, 2021 at 08:36 pm
Punched and Drunk.
barutanseijin
November 05, 2021 at 08:21 pm
If this team is going to the Super Bowl, it will be Love that takes them there. Rodgers cares more about being an anti-vax martyr than winning.
Not only that, Rodgers doesn't stand up for his beliefs. He's not tough enough. This guy no longer has what it takes to win the Super Bowl. No leadership, no courage, no commitment. Time for him to go.
jurp
November 05, 2021 at 10:01 pm
The time for him to go was last spring. :(
I think this entire shitty episode proves Belicheck's "Better to get rid of a player a year early than a year too late" axiom.
Last spring = multiple high draft choices (probably)
Next spring = Half of a month-old cheeseburger and some stale fries.
Denver
November 05, 2021 at 09:58 pm
Love the player, not a fan of the human.
Go Pack Go!
joejetson
November 05, 2021 at 10:11 pm
As a player under a signed contract, Rodgers had a flimsy argument for his preseason holdout.
But as a free American Citizen, Rodgers has the right to decide if he wants to have an experimental vaccine injected into his body. The long term effects of the vaccines can NOT be known at this time. They may be safe, or they may have long term side effects, we simply don't know yet.
I agree with #12 on this one. I made the decision to get the vaccine, but I won't force others to do so.
This is still America, more or less.
Cwilly
November 05, 2021 at 10:47 pm
Nothing is gonna change getting mad at Rodgers about covid. It has divided all of us and it’s sad. I support vaccines but now people lie to not make them a target. Rodgers acting the way he has is worse then saying he didn’t vaccinate for the fact he lied and still justifies it. I agree with vaccinating but I’m done judging and every time he justifies his decision is sad. Players and friends on this team look uncomfortable right now and as a fan I hope the locker room isn’t divided. We all have choices but we own up to them. Rodgers is putting the nail further in the coffin and should try to just say sorry and be a teammate. Don’t end your career being an ass and thinking everyone agrees with you. Covid is bad and we all know it but his choice is his own so own up and move on. The more he justifies it shows like the rest they have no clue what their fighting. Still want the packers to win this year and sports makes us not think of this pandemic. Either way always a packers fan and that’s it and hope we all move forward!
jjc12281967
November 05, 2021 at 11:59 pm
He’s a remarkably talented QB. The court of public opinion has spoken. If he’s the QB when we win the SB all will be forgotten. Turn the page, I have. GPG
fastmoving
November 06, 2021 at 02:23 am
AR is not just a coimplicated fella, his is a huge sissy and a coward. weak and selfish, wo thinks he is the smartest guy in the world.
fastmoving
November 06, 2021 at 02:36 am
AR chooses the rules that make sense for him or the front office moves he thinks are smart. He want to have a say in everything and if he does a little research he knows more than any professional who spend his whole life in it.
He makes no misstakes and is always the smartest. And than he uses all the dumb orange talking points. Medias fault CHECK, Witchhunt CHECK, woke CHECK, sideeffects CHECK, vaccine does not work CHECK, they lie to us CHECK. The guy is just crazy. But the best thin is that are the coaches so thankfull because the "critical thinker" (so no sheep) askes smart, thought questions. He will save us all, this immunized Hero
Man, AR is out off his mind and he feels like some kind of guru or god.
HaroldDrake
November 06, 2021 at 04:02 am
I'm still staggered that Rodgers is an anti-vaxxer, albeit not the "flat-earther" variety, not that that gives him any more credibility. I always assumed that his New Age Buddhist Zen mentality would not influence his view of the clinically-verified, scientifically proven efficacy of mRNA vaccines. I couldn't imagine that Rodgers would subscribe to homeopathic quackery, either. Of course, there may be people who benefit from the placebo effect of drinking some of the magic potions (some of which contain small amounts of arsenic!!!) that homeopaths administer to their "patients." But when it comes to fighting COVID and the complex way in which it infiltrates the body, only a rigorously tested vaccine can hope to prevent the virus from causing severe illness and death. And the statistics, not that anyone bothers to read them or believe them, bear this out.
The problem with Rodgers and the anti-vaxxers (as well as the so-called "vaccine hesitant") is that they do not want to believe in science. They would rather listen to YouTube pseudo science and consult former MMA fighters turned podcaster intellectual thugs like Joe Rogan for sage counsel. This is where Rodgers' pretensions to intellectual acuity and out-of-the-box thinking comes acropper. The anti-vaxxer community believes in the Deep State and buys into the fearmongering demagoguery of the alt-right which deems anything promoted or mandated by the government as inherently evil. Since the vaccines were jump-started by the government (curiously the one truly great thing accomplished by Donald Trump) and produced by big pharma, they must be evil. The nano-particles will infest our bodies and allow the Jewish space aliens to target us with lasers... and so on.
While delivering his PR address via Pat McAfee, Rodgers ranted about how the drug companies are effectively cashing in on the COVID crisis with the implication being that this undermines the urgent societal need to reach 90% vaccination levels in order to defeat the virus and end this scourge on daily life. Of course Pfizer and Moderna are making billions - but drug companies make billions anyway. They deserve credit for developing effective new mRNA vaccines in record time - never before has a vaccine been created in such a short time frame. Futher, the new technology involved in mRNA vaccines is FAR superior than traditional vax technology. But of course the anti-vaxxers would have children die of polio, suffer severe bouts of chicken pox, and let older people die of the flu all because Dr. Andrew Wakefield - now barred from practicing medicine - wrote a paper that was later discredited and debunked claiming a connection between vaccines and autism. But no one on the right ever bothers to read all the numerous studies that clearly show that Wakefield's paper was bogus and that his findings were proven to be ludicrous.
The admission by Rodgers that he trusts in the efficacy of his homeopathic treatment against COVID is further indication of his intellectual limitations. I would think that a clever, rational, critical thinker would know that every treatment - whether that provided by big pharma or by the local homeopath witch doctor - has to be subjected to a major clinical trial to verify the claims of its developers. This is common sense as much as adherence to long-standing scientific/medical methodology.
And as I have mentioned ad nauseum, if Rodgers is so convinced that his homeopathic treatment has conferred upon him "immunity" to Covid-19 and thereby allows him and others to enjoy robust protection against the harmful effects of the virus, THEN SHARE THIS MIRACLE CURE WITH THE IGNORANT MASSES!
But of course Rodgers is smart enough to know that his witch doctor's potions are scientifically unproven and would most likely invite instant ridicule and condemnation by people who have studied and devoted their lives to developing drug treatments at the world's leading universities and research facilities many of which of course are funded by big pharma. It doesn't make any difference that Pfizer and Moderna are making massive profits with their vaccines - that is a political and economic question. Of course, one can imagine a grand conspiracy where the government - in this case it was that great philosopher/philanthropist/healer Donald Trump who actually did the right thing by setting in motion the record-breaking search vaccines to prevent COVID - is in league with big pharma to force the public to take a vaccine to enforce its control over individuals and deprive them of their liberty. Why? Cui bono?
Oh, well. It's time to enjoy my morning latté - the drink of choice for liberals who stand in the way of MAGA neo-fascists - and watch Bill Maher. I'm looking forward to Jordan Love demolishing KC tomorrow night and I'm going to pretend that Rodgers will one day see the light, get the jab, and fly his private jet to San Francisco or wherever he wishes to display his special skills as a football player rather than as a virologist.
HaroldDrake
November 06, 2021 at 04:14 am
P.S. If anyone wants to see a point-by-point debunking of the statements Aaron Rodgers made on McAfee, please read today's WaPo article on the subject.
Joknows
November 06, 2021 at 12:22 pm
I find it quite comical how half of you liberal political nut jobs have your panties in a bunch over a grown man making a choice (you know liberty and freedom and all that jazz) to not get vaccinated and pursue alternate treatments. But yet you are to scared to have an opinion about Henry Ruggs driving 157 mph with his 20 yr old gf in the car drunk AF killing a woman and her dog. Lets hang ARod but you know Henry its cool we feel sad for you and too scared to talk about it bc he's a different ethnicity your so "woke" LMFAO!!! pathetic and spineless wimps
4thand1
November 06, 2021 at 01:17 pm
Give us a brake, the article isn't about Ruggs. Ruggs will spend decades in prison and deservedly so. Glad you brought up race, proves your alt right bull shit way of thinking. Do you also approve of beating cops with the American flag? You just proved you're scared the master race is doomed. "woke" I guess we woke up, not like you bleach drinking cult followers. Polish your assault rifle and pretend to be brave while you walk down the street with a loaded weapon. My uncles fought against people like you in WWII.
ArlenWilliams
November 07, 2021 at 02:33 pm
Aaron Rodgers is a very smart man. If he's taking the Zelenko Protocol (and maybe chlorine dioxide under physician's oversight) he should be back in action very, very soon.
Thank you Aaron for breaking through the opposition again.
There is no COVID vaccination. There is only the multiple poisons from the globalist cabal that wants to "decrease the population."
TheNumber1PackerFan
November 08, 2021 at 07:25 pm
After hearing all the drama, and listening to the interview here is where I am.
I dont care about Rogers, just play football and win games.
The league knew and his team knew, anyone else is irrelvant.
The halloween party was STUUUUUPID!
As a leader, when you are asked a question, answer the question completley so that people know where you stand
Im over it
GPG.