Silverstein Speculation: Would Packers Move Bakhtiari in a Rodgers Trade?

On Twitter Wednesday, afternoon, Tom Silverstein did some musing about what could be an interesting addition to a potential Aaron Rodgers trade to the Jets, which seems to be growing increasingly more likely by the hour.

It is certainly an intriguing possibility. If the Packers are really committed to shedding veteran contracts and maximizing their potential draft pick return, then this would at least be within the realm of possibility. However, there is an (at least) equally strong argument that having Bakhtiari would only benefit Jordan Love, especially when you consider how the offensive line had played in his absence and the absence of Elgton Jenkins in the not-too-distant past. 

By the end of the year, Bakhtiari seemed to have overcome his knee injury completely, and aside from a random bout of appendicitis, he was reliably available and performing quite well.

Of course, Bakhtiari is entering year 11 in the NFL, which would make him one of the Packers' elder statesmen. His close ties with Rodgers could make him a natural "package" to sweeten the deal for both Rodgers and any team that would trade for him.

Now, another big question here: would this actually work out with Bakhtiari's contract and would it be worthwhile for the Packers in terms of the potential savings?

Based on all of this, the answer seems to be "...maybe." There would not be a lack of challenges, but it sounds like if the Packers were committed to making the deal happen, there are ways to do so that would allow them to offload both of these contracts. Would the Jets be willing to commit that much money to two players in a single trade? That's an entirely different question, but it at least seems feasible to accomplish from the Packers' perspective.

Ultimately, if I'm the Packers' GM, I want to keep as many of my top players surrounding Jordan Love as possible. I think Bakhtiari has more value to the Packers in a green and gold uniform than he does as trade bait at this point. But I also completely understand the temptation to just say, "You know what? Let's just embrace the rebuild."

We're closer and closer to this all being over with.

 

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Johnblood27's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:27 am

I hope Gutey has an "everything is on the table" attitude concerning this years roster.

Just make it a value proposition. If you get more value in return than you are giving up, make it happen.

The OL could take the hit of DB leaving. Just slide Tom in at LT with Yosh at RT and you still have Rasheed Walker and Caleb Jones as Tackles-in-training. Gutey would also have additional draft capital to invest in a high pick for the OL as return in the DB deal.

Bottom Line - Losing DB isn't the death knell of this team or the OL, do it if the value balances out in your favor.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:27 am

Good point JB. Put everything out there and if you get good value with aging vets make it happen. Play the odds, it’s unlikely Love will get this team to the promise land in year 1 or even year 2. Few HOF QB’s have done that. So, let’s get value and build a great young team if Rodgers is traded.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:36 am

Why not? Roethlisberger did it in year two. Love is in Year Four. The name of the game is Reload and play to Win.The rebuild excuse cannot cover for the the Gutedkunst Strategy. The Seven one picks on the defense should offer the same security blanket as the Pittsburgh D, right? If Rodgers moves onward, Love has to come out firing on all cylinders. Play his game. If the team Lacks weapons and a competent depth chart the Focus shifts to the personnel department, now in Year Six.

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DoubleJ's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:04 am

Roethlisberger won the Super Bowl in year two, but he also started in his rookie year and took Pittsburg to a 15-1 record and the AFCCG. His team had a great D that year but in the AFCCG he threw 3 INTs. By year 2 Roethlisberger had grown as a player but still had a really good D. Overall I think Love would more likely follow the Rodgers growth where he struggles in his first year but gets better. Going 7-10 this year isn't the worst if Love shows growth. That would mean we will likely be able to compete starting in 2024.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:28 pm

JJ, you named one name that did it in year 2. Now go thru all of the HOF QB’s and see the results. That also doesn’t mean if you trade a couple aging vets and replace them with draft picks that those players might turn out good in the 1st year or two.

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greengold's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:36 am

Agree a Bazillion %.

Bak wasn’t restructured for a reason, and he’s headed to NYJ with Aaron. No surprises there, and the time is now to make such changes.

The Packers are in an enviable position to facilitate the filling of many of the Jets remaining needs. All they have to do is cough up the picks, which is all they really have in trade. And, their OL needs are real.

Can easily see Runyan also traded to them along with Bak/AR. And if you think that’s nuts, GB could also make Hansen a part of the haul,, as they need Center help too. I am not kidding.

Altogether, how many R1s + for affordable starters there? QB1, LT, OG? This is not pie in the sky stuff. I count 4 1st Round picks: 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026. Including Hansen could return an R2.

Before scoffing, remember in April, a 2024 R1 = R2 value. That devaluation extends 2025, 2026. Don’t put it past Woody Johnson to trade that away for the now. Also keep in mind, NYJ has no other means to acquire talent. FA is out w their projected cap.

Most amazing thing is the Packers can readily make this happen. It would go down as one of the biggest trades in NFL history, with both teams retooling. One for the now. One for the future.

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T7Steve's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:49 am

Have to keep a young Runyan. Throw Newman in with Hansen and I like it.

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greengold's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:54 am

You can pop whomever you prefer in there. The bigger point is there’s a real, symbiotic possibility for both teams to help facilitate their aims.

Talk about starting off a new era on the right foot?!!!

Conversely, talk about giving the Jets legit shots at winning a Super Bowl or two?!!!

That’s one helluva deal, for both teams. Symbiotic.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:03 am

What symbiosis? Reshuffling the CAP mess the brain trust created? As Duke Tobin said, He's not in the business of trading HIS players to make the Other team Better.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:15 am

"He's not in the business of trading HIS players to make the Other team Better."

^^THIS^^

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:41 am

GMs are charged with improving prospects for their teams. It’s not their business to help others unless it helps us more. However, they also are usually looking to the the next few years. I can certainly see how helping the Jets this year could be seen as helping us get better in the medium term. If the horizon with a new QB us a couple of years away, traded that get value for lives that aren’t a fit with that are potentially of interest and get us picks or allow younger players to develop and help our cap heal faster this year and next. Hindsight will judge the bargain, but strategically, it’s not logical to say trading older players is hurting ourselves per se.

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Swisch's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:38 am

I like deals that are win-win -- although I don't mind if the Packers win a little bit more than the Jets, and am glad that the Jets are in the other conference.

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greengold's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:02 am

It's just not as simple as that. We're talking about an LT who is one of the best players at his position in the NFL, when healthy, but carries a QB1 cap figure. There's risk involved with the Jets trading for Rodgers, and there's risk involved with trading for Bak if they chose to do so, who is on his 4th contract? I've lost count.

Runyan is on the last year of his deal.

An aging vet LT and a young OG - both quality starters - carry with them a price.

My point is if Woody is throwing around high picks, the Packers could benefit greatly in cleaning up. How much do we want to right our cap? Are we loaded to be legit Super Bowl contenders this season? Or, are we maybe a year away? Extra picks could help a serious reload of talent where we need it in a big way. So would the cap savings which would allow us to be players for top, proven talents in their primes in FA.

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greengold's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:22 am

Vroom! Right over your head, like, Concord style. Laugh with me here, jannes. Gotta have fun with it man, and that's the intent here. Nothing personal. None of us can do jack about whether or not he gets traded.

Plus, you're losing sight of the fact a deal needs to work for both parties. If we trade Bak to the Jets now, they get one of AR's most trusted OL in the deal, at the 2nd most important position on any team. The Packers crawl out from under his $23M salary, absorbing a $5.7M dead cap hit.

There's uncertainty for both sides. Bak has a known injury history. The Packers might be needing to draft his replacement, which is never a sure thing.

The last 3 freaking years has been a Master Class: Selling High (500 Level, not that 420 stuff you're smokin'!)

What have we not learned here? What more are we expecting to get out of David Bakhtiari? On what, his 5th contract?

Better yet, wtf are we going to do about it? There's a good chance it's gonna happen, so we might as well make ourselves ready.

My general point is we are in a position to facilitate a massive transfer of top picks into GB coffers. That's just shrewd business. Turning carbon into diamonds.

We've all experienced the pressure. BOOM! The trade is already happening. What's the difference throwing in a Runyan, or a Newman? Can't live without them? Runyan's deal is up this year. Former R5 that the Packers could turn into an R1.

Wow. I mean, it seems from my perspective that wouldn't be a bad thing. I love our players too, all these guys. That's a lot of promise residing at 1265, especially on our OL. Still have more to add there as well, but, as I said earlier, this is one of the weakest OG draft classes ever. We're loaded at the position, are we not?

Simple supply & demand.

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greengold's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:30 pm

Forget about assigning blame. We all know where that lies.

Foremost, the cap problem needs to be rectified. There is inherent value to fixing that, and resolving the problem asap, for the Packers and the team's future.

You have to give Mano to get Mano. It's Hawaiian...

If you think we can just walk all over the Jets, you're mistaken. There has to be pluses for both sides in trades of this significance. That fact is certainly not lost on Woody Johnson.

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jurp's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:17 am

If the 24 pick is conditional, then sending Bahk to the Jets would help that pick become a R2 or R1 pick. Symbiosis in action.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:45 am

You're not moving a backup like Nijman. Bhak has the ALL PRO credentials and he will maintain his Kata. There are two-three OTs in this draft who could play the LT. Jones and Campbell are probably gone by #10. Anton Harrison in the #32-33 range. Why make life harder for Love, assuming he is elevated?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:20 am

Some are predicting 4 QBs going in the top ten too. If we trade for the Jets #13 overall, I think that will be right where Broderick Jones is the "right" pick for the Packers, whether we trade Bakh or not.

If we don't trade Bakh before the draft, we can keep him to protect Jordan Love until Broderick Jones gets up to speed and maybe move Bakh before the trade deadline to the Jets, depending on how the season plays out.

If we traded Bakh to the Jets at the trade deadline for '24 first round pick (if we don't already have it) that would be a huge win for us, especially if Broderick Jones were our pick and did turn out to be ready by the deadline...

So many possibilities in the near future.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:01 pm

If Jones moves to #15, he goes to the RT and plug the biggest leak. Bhak stays at LT. If a robust guard shows in mid-rounds snag one. If Vorhees is overlooked because of his ACL tear, run to the podium.

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pack1487's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:52 am

Why would the Packers trade a starting OL (Runyan) who is on a rookie contract? Why would the jets give the Packers 4 first round picks going out to 2026 when the players you're suggesting to be traded to the Jets (AR and DB) are both unlikely to be playing football at that time?

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greengold's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:14 am

I'm not sure what you're not getting about Woody Johnson, owner of the Jets, wanting to go all in -now-!!!

There is a price for that. He stated he wants plug and play players, instant starters, to make a legit run for the 2023 Super Bowl.

You think he's afraid of mortgaging his team's future for the now? If so, then you haven't been paying attention.

Do you not see the opportunity in front of our Packers team?

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pack1487's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:54 am

What have they done in the past that resembles going all in and mortgaging the future? The Jets aren't the Rams. It'd be one thing if Rodgers was 5 years younger but he's at a point where he's now seriously contemplated retirement two seasons in a row. With all of that, you think it's good team management to trade away 4 1st round draft picks for players that won't be there when those picks are being used?

The other issue at hand is Rodgers contract, which will restrict what they can do in free agency and now they have no 1st round picks for the next 4 years. On top of that, you have GB basically saying they want to begin the Love era so I don't think they're in a spot to play hardball here or else they'll certainly lose Love.

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greengold's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:24 pm

I can't make you watch the Woody Johnson interview on ESPN regarding possible Aaron Rodgers trade. Look it up for yourself to gain that perspective. You'll know when you see it what I'm talking about.

The Jet's owner is driving this bus. All-in. Everything.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:27 pm

It's always refreshing when a voice of reason pops in here.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:02 am

"Including Hansen could return an R2."

A 2nd round pick for Jake Hanson? I almost spit my coffee out of my mouth.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:58 am

I will take that! Darn, I think I just swallowed Woody Johnson’s hand in my haste.

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greengold's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:19 am

This is the last time I'll respond to your garbage.

Did I say a 2023 R2? What if the Packers got a 2025 R2 thrown in? You understand that's more akin to a 2023 R4, right?

Add it up.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:00 pm

There is nothing to add up. No one is giving up a 2nd or a 3rd round pick for Jake Hanson, regardless of the year.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 10, 2023 at 08:26 am

or a 4th...
or a 5th...
or a 6th...
or a 7th...

teams actually have TAPE of the GBP games last year. Why on Earth would any team give anything for Jake Hanson? He showed absolutely nothing above a UDFA from this years class. Terrible would be a compliment to his play.

At least Newman had the excuse that he was moved from G to T to explain away his "struggles". Hanson has nothing except the proof that he did not and does not belong on an NFL roster.

No NFL team will give anything for Jake Hanson. Period.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:29 am

Article after Article.
Cheap shot, After Cheap shot.
Aaron Rodgers should NOW Retire.
I know he still wants to play.
But he isn’t like Brett Favre.
And after he announces it.
I hope; HE Doesn’t let them retire his jersey!
(As long as Gutey is part of management.)
Stay away and let the Packers
take the heat from the National Press.
Because any Rebuild takes time.
And this franchise has lost it’s class
To do the right moral ,decent, thing.
Honor a players contract.
Without being shown the highway.

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NickPerry's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:45 am

You know I never am very critical of others and respect their opinions but some of your posts lately make me wonder if your really a fan of the Packers. Personally I think you are but God damn SH.

Why is it ALWAYS "Gutey" and never Mark Murphy? I mean we get it, you HATE Jordon Love. You HATED the pick in 2020, but GET OVER IT!

"Honor a players contract". "Without being shown the highway". "CLASS"

Really? I mean have you been watching the last THREE YEARS? The Packers have bent over backwards for this arrogant asshole. They MADE him the $151 million dollar man at 38 where Rodgers CRIED, "I want to be the highest paid QB!"

The Packers have given into EVERY whim of Rodgers yet EVERY fucking year we're right here...Will he / won't he? Hell if my employer gave me a raise like that I'd have shown up for OTAs, Mini Camp, AND had invited all those new players to Malibu and spent some time with them. You know, like Mahomes and other QBs do.

2 things if I may suggest... Blame the RIGHT guy and it ain't Gutey. Look at Rodgers role in ALL of this. He's ALWAYS the problem...

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:05 am

I won't get on the Orient Express.
And Help you murder; one of the greatest
Packers of all -TIme!
If you're a Fan why attack anyone?
But I can't attack Murphy when Rodgers stated
the problems with Gutey First.
(If you remember his first trade Request)
Love was a power pick for a GM who
didn't have that experience to make yet.
The power move was for his glory.
Highway? GO ask Nick Perry ,CM3, Daniels on that.
Shall I throw in Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Bulaga, Linsley?
Yes they got old and Rodgers knew what could happen.
He had to play with in- experienced players.
Your hatred to get Rodgers gone, is your problem,
not mine.
Your wrong Nick. Gutey is to blame.
Management always has been since 2010!!

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jurp's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:31 am

If Rodgers was so concerned about "what would happen" as the team aged and older teammates moved on, then why the hell didn't he ask for a trade? They would've granted his wish, IMO. As it was, we had to bring back Cobb to appease him.

Clay left on his own (and was washed up when he did so), Jordy got hurt, as did Bulaga. Nick Perry sucked after he got the big contract. I could go on. And that "team that got old" should've fucking won the Super Bowl in 2020 and played for the championship in 21.

Passes to Davantae in the end zone and not running it in for a TD. Three picks of Brady and NOTHING from AR to help the D. Not throwing to a wide-the-fuck-open Lazard in the flat because AR NEVER THROWS INTO THE FLAT. Three ints in this past season's win-and-in game.

AR failed in the last three big games. If he's traded, join the NY Jets site and bask in his reflected glory. UNTIL THE NEXT BIG FAIL, which of course won't be his fault.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:33 am

What? - You need my help?
Why must I repeat my posts for You.
I've answered The Trade reason.
Clay left after they wouldn't negotiate.
EVERY GUY THAT LEFT OFFERED TO TAKE LESS MONEY!
Everyone; to retire a packer and stay with Rodgers.
And doesn't that Linsley let go; piss you off more?
Wasting picks to replace All-pros! Open your Blinds!!
Especially after so many contracts got reworked!
Fuck your loyalty to Gutey!
Devante tried to make up for the lost years.$$$value.
Rodgers didn't fail. The team did.

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NickPerry's picture

March 10, 2023 at 07:05 am

Just wait a minute friend...I don't Hate" anyone, ESPECIALLY one of the greatest Packers of All-Time.

I'm not saying Gutekunst isn't without fault. But the issues all START with Murphy.

The Packers gave Rodgers a 3 year $153 million dollar extension yet here we are after year ONE the dude is talking about possible retirement after the season ends. You don't think that surprised the Packers? They gave him all that money in good faith yet here we are with Rodgers BS of will I stay or will I go.

Rodgers DID have to play with inexperienced players yet FAILED to do a thing but the absolute MINIMUM. Then on top of that, has the nerve to throw people under the bus and in a game they lost, talk about it was one of his best rating games. WHO GIVES A DAMN if they LOST!

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:32 am

Why blame Rodgers for getting what the market will bear? Most people would do the same. I can understand blaming the FO for giving him too much if that’s what you think, but Rodgers received his value after back to back MVP’s.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:54 am

"I can understand blaming the FO for giving him too much if that’s what you think, but Rodgers received his value after back to back MVP’s."

...and I do think that's part of why he's currently talking to the Jets. The Packers are looking at the deal they gave him and are having buyers' remorse...and they know that this is the last opportunity to get out from under it before the bonuses really take hold. That said, I agree that the value of the deal was driven by the MVP seasons, but argue that the valuation is also backward looking, and not necessarily forward looking.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:50 am

The Jets are betting that a former MVP still has enough left despite a down season and being about to turn 40 with a roster that’s already stacked on paper but lacking an experienced, talented QB whom ( through Hackett) they know very well.

The Packers are admitting that we can’t afford to match the Jets roster after several years of trying to run it back funded by the then future. We are accepting that Rodgers plus this roster is not going to win it all and comes at a price that will make a return to contention harder each year.

We’ve argued a lot about the role of Rodgers in that, but I think now that’s irrelevant In that the reality is that the reasons don’t matter in the narrow context of a decision to trade.

If Rodgers here is increasingly a dead end with future negative consequences, then it’s broken beyond what we can (or are prepared and able to) fix and the solution is to move on. With the Jets, conversely, he may be what they need to be real. That’s a very valid basis for an exchange that could be good for both teams (and Rodgers).

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pete-nado's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:59 am

Mostly because Rodgers own behavior. He cried bitterly about wanting a long term commitment from the Packers. And he got it, with a contract that hurts the team badly if they were to move on quickly. But then Rodgers immediately doesn't show at OTA's or put in any extra work with the new receivers. Then once the season is over, he starts mulling retirement again...after getting the long term commitment he cried for. That's why significant blame accrues to Rodgers...he made it about commitment, but no real commitment from him.

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DanL's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:24 am

Totally agree. FO went all in with Aaron and rightly so after back to back MVPs. Aaron was not all in with preparing his young receivers.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:13 am

Outside of the motives, the fact is that going all in with Rodgers did not work and, dispassionately, has become less likely to based on our resources: we have committed ourselves cap wise and are thus fairly boxed in to this roster plus youth. We have decided that what we need from a coaching perspective is continuity too. Thus the options to stack our roster or to change our use of it significantly don’t exist.

We don’t need to debate the causes here if we are just looking at the trade, we just need to accept it failed. The first step in moving on is to maximize options for the future. A trade does that, then we can look to the real causes. Indeed, I suspect the trade will allow them to be much more easily seen. For now, it matters not why it failed, just that it has and continues to retreat from the credible.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:07 am

Oh BS CW! The all in didn't work
Because of a Bad OL and Lack of
Stops, Weapons, and experience.
A trade isn't going to solve Losing.
Not as long as we keep replacing
veterans with prayers.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 10, 2023 at 08:37 am

...and certainly not so long as Joe Barry and his weak defensive schemes are counted on for 1/2 of the winning equation.

Stocky, the veterans you so much long to have and to hold forever have a shelf life and a value proposition for the team holding their contracts.

NFL = Not For Long.

The NFL is a game of replacement. Roster turnover is a real factor and must happen for success to occur.

There is only SB Champs and 31 losers. It is a performance based industry with the metrics all front and center for everyone to see.

Did we win? If NO, begin to make your team better by any means available. Moving veterans is a great way to open up competition and bring out the best in the other 90 players vying for a roster spot.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:56 am

Wow Nick I would give you a hug if I was there. And I will send you a xmas card. NOBODY should feel sorry for Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay doesn't owe him a thing. The Packers have made him a really rich man in a rich mans sport. And he has been a real pain in the ass for a long time. We never should have caved in and gave him the doomsday contract. The Packers are not treating him badly here and actually seem to be bending over for him now. This is a big time business not a small town grocery store. Get over it stockholder, Aaron doesn't care about his real family he won't care about our feelings.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2023 at 04:24 pm

NP,
One of the best comments....ever!!!

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:14 am

"Article after Article.
Cheap shot, After Cheap shot."

There are no cheap shots in this article.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:31 am

Read between the Lines!
Would the Jets be willing to commit that much "money"
to two players in a single trade?
Guess you didn't hear the other trade possibilities
You only have to plant the nugget.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:29 am

Players are traded and released all the time. I don’t know what “honor a players contract” means, but players get traded and realesed from their original contracts all the time.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:33 am

Yes you do.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:31 am

To trade a player who has a contract that allows a trade is in fact honoring the terms. The contract goes with the player in fact. This is just rubbish concocted for lack of any other basis for your mania, and, laughably, you showed that in your comments on what they should have done with Jones, where you called for exactly the opposite.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:01 am

**mic drop**

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:57 am

I can't believe you're stupidity to assume this.
A contract is a agreement between two parties.
The GREEN BAY Packers and that employee.
They are negotiated in GOOD Faith!
These are not rookie deals.
The can went down the road.
And hopefully you'll follow it.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:14 am

And they are honoring it. There’s no claim from Rodgers of a breach of contract, in fact he’s openly admitted that he doesn’t have a no trade clause. That admission proves he’s aware if the existence, purpose and effect of no trade clauses (unsurprisingly). As such the possibility of a trade was bargained for in the eyes of the law and Rodgers has personally confirmed that as well anyway.

Unless you are claiming that Rodgers is sufficiently cognitively impaired as to warrant invalidating the contract in the grounds of incapacity to treat (good luck), you are not only up the creek without a paddle but have abandoned your boat as well.

Put simply, you couldn’t manufacture a post that was more completely and utterly wrong factually or legally.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:55 am

Watch that unfair labor practice talk .
His Agent is involved.
The meeting was at Rodgers House.
Your wrong where's your shingle?

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 01:32 pm

You don’t know what you are talking about. That’s not remotely relevant to this scenario.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:59 am

The Silage does carry a certain fermented stench. This cluster in the top tier next to the sledding hill will lead to an Epic Failure, no return to glory.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:17 am

There's nothing quite light venting a silo to make everyone light-headed and sleepy...

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:51 am

Cinnamon Buns for Dobber...

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:02 am

Variety is the spice of life! ;)

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jurp's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:24 am

What cheap shot? Example, please. Rodgers is only a peripheral topic of this article, with no comment on him personally. If you're referring to other articles, saying that Rodgers' year in 22 was only average is correct, when using passer rating as the scale. Because it was. FACT. Do not confuse facts with opinion, like so many of us (including me sometimes!) do nowadays.

"To do the right moral ,decent, thing.
Honor a players contract.
Without being shown the highway."

Honoring a contract means paying out the contract per the contract's terms. The Packers will honor AR's contract because they legally have to. "Morality" and "contract" are not mutually inclusive. Countless immoral/unethical contracts have been written over the centuries. AR's contract does not have a no-trade clause, yet the Packers are allowing AR to talk with the Jets when they could easily have just traded his ass to NY without any contract repercussions. This is NOT being immoral, but is treating AR with the respect he deserves as the longest tenured player.

You've done well keeping off the Bonkers Scale recently, but this post is a strong 8 on the Scale.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:13 am

Rodgers contract didn't contain that language
For one reason.
That he wasn't sure he was wanted.
And now he knows he isn't!
So take your bonkers scale and
put it wear the sun doesn't shine.
Abuse yourself.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:49 pm

Have you any idea how a no trade clause works? It gives the player all the power. A player can wave it unilaterally if he wants to move or simply refuse if he doesn’t.

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NickPerry's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:33 am

Personally I can see both sides on trading Bakhtiari. The Packers have SOME replacements that may or may not work out so it depends what you feel you have in Rasheed Walker and Caleb Jones. Also is Nijman staying or going and if so where will he play, RT or LT? He certainly struggled at times last season. And what about Sean Rhyan? Can he play Tackle or just Guard? Hell, can he play at all...He WAS a third round pick after all.

What I do know is when David Bakhtiari is on the field, I feel MUCH better about the Packers O-Line as a whole. His cap hits for 2023 and 2024 are pretty high and he is getting up there. Also, what do the Packers get in return for a soon to be 32 year old LT with a salary to match his age ($32 million in 2024).

At the end of the day, if the Packers could get a 2nd rounder THIS year and a conditional pick next season, hell it might be worth trading him. The Packers would have 4 picks in the first 45 picks then. Hell, they could fix the Edge, WR, TE, and Tackle or Safety position all before the dreaded 3rd round. Hell, if Gute would just trade this years 3 and maybe next years to move back into the 2nd, you'd have 5 picks and solutions (hopefully) at EVERY need position.

But they HAVE to get something in return for DB. They aren't that far off and IMO will be competing for the NFC North title next season with the Lions. You HAVE to help Love as much as possible.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:41 am

Agree with everything you said here, Nick.

When they picked Rhyan, I thought it signalled a plan to start Nijman at LT and Rhyan at RT, because DB's inability to recover from his knee injury (at the time) needed to be proactively dealt with. It turns out, I now have more hopes for Caleb Jones than Rhyan, but that's a good thing.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:21 am

I've been firmly in the "shop him" camp wrt Bakhtiari. If the interest and return are there, I think they'd be foolish not to consider it. I've also been pretty firmly in the "draft picks are lottery tickets" camp, meaning that if you're going to assume you're going to plug-and-play a guy through the draft, you're rolling the dice. I think the Packers have several in-house options who are capable, but dealing 69 all but commits them to a day 1 or day 2 OT in the draft.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:30 am

Same here

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:34 am

There is no reason to move Bhaktiari to save a couple of shekels. Love will need HIM to cover his backside. If they do not upgrade the RT, Love will face the same threats Rodgers had to deal with coming in his Face. Duane Brown is still holding the fort. Age is irrelevant. Skillset and experience push the accountants out of the room. Playing games with one ALL PRO guy is bad enough, you do not want to water down the rest of the roster. Gutedkunst is the problem.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:20 am

Agree on Duane Brown. He's probably in his last year, but is still capable.

Something is likely to happen on the Bakhtiari front: a restructure or trade (and I think a trade is possible, but unlikely). I don't see a release, even post Jun. 1. That's shooting yourself in the head.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:53 am

The refi was probably discussed during his exit interviews.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:22 am

I don’t see a lot of reason to keep him if Rodgers is going. Bakh probably has a similar amount of years left in him as Rodgers if they both want to play till the end. Post Rodgers we will be looking to a couple of years hence and beyond. Bakh isn’t a great fit with that.

If the Jets did want him (or Rodgers did on their behalf) enough, I’d see that as likely to result in a good value offer. We may well be starting a lesser player this season, but we’ve shown ourselves to have decent options and ones that may improve over the next few years.

What I don’t understand is the addition of younger guys. We keep good ones and the Jets won’t want the ones we don’t. Rodgers knows what Hanson and Newman are better than anyone. If they wanted them, I could only see that as a rebuke if our coaching/development as otherwise they’d have to be daft.

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jurp's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:39 am

One other variable in the Bahk discussion is Love's legs. Scooter could devise more moving-pocket pass plays to allow Love to quickly escape the pocket and lessen the reliance on strong LT play. More screens and quick slants would also help mitigate poor line play - you know, plays that we used to run but haven't the past couple of years (at least).

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:49 am

If we traded Bakhtiari, we'd probably be going OT in round 1

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jurp's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:57 am

True, but no guarantee that we'll get someone who can immediately start AND play at a high level. He'll be a lot cheaper than Bahk, though.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:49 am

Nijman, Tom, Jenkins when fully himself, have all kept Rodgers upright in the left very effectively. In 2021, it’s possible the loss of Bakh made a difference in the Championship game. However, this roster isn’t that one and Love will be in his first year. That isn’t an issue to get hung up about.

This fable that without Bakh we were terrible at T doesn’t stand up. In fact we were consistently decent at LT. Our problems came in the middle except when, for reasons unknown we persisted in trotting out Newman and then a still limited Jenkins while making Tom and Nijman sit to back up Bakh. Hell, Nijman rated well even having to come in and out for Bakh. The exception was the last two games when our starting plan was to start Nijman with one arm and only when that failed move Tom. Just as baffling as the Newman experiment in my view.

We will be fine if Bakh leaves. We won’t be better, but we’ve proven we have talent at left even if Nijman is gone, ir starting at right tackle. In a couple of years, Bakh can’t guarantee to be better, and that’s when the difference is likely to start to really count.

Some here seem to portray Nijman and Tom as having Rodgers flattened consistently. That’s simply not borne out by any facts or stats. Worry about the interior depth before that a T. Worry about the handling of personnel in games and in training along the OL. Don’t worry about adequate tackle depth on the left, and thus about trading Bakh if the right offer comes. If he stays, just more depth at both T positions.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:02 am

Better run that idea over with the Detroit front Four. They will be getting better with a high One pick going to Edge. Most of these Defenses are crashing the outside guys to snarl the rolls and zones. Spags effectively shut down Hurts rolls and keepers. QBs should not be targets. You want the ball out of the QB's hands in 2.5-2.8 seconds. Point and shoot from the pocket, ergo, get Better O linemen. Rodgers let them get away with smoke and mirrors people up front for years, but the right flank almost put him out of business, for good.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:41 am

I don't think Rodgers let them get away
with anything.
I believe Gutey just can't properly
evaluate his players.
That the gambles are his way./prayers.
How long did we want a PR? until Nevin.
He traded Lewis when Rodgers
started throwing to him.
Gutey needs to go.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:53 am

He is a product of nepotism. Wolf,sr called them out. . This guy is still two drafts behind. I've seen this bullshit operation before. Harlan knew the used car dealers had to be shuffled off to the Hunt Club. Wolf started taking names and kicking ass from day one.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:18 pm

I think an overlooked but a real possibility here is in trading Bahktiari also in this deal ensures Rodgers doesn't back out of the deal and then there is a much bigger mess to deal with. So many splinters from all this taking place. Yes we get picks and players back for making these 2 trades. It helps us to maybe reload but not turn this into a 5 year rebuild. Thats all good. Watching Aaron Jones on tv begging Rodgers to stay was depressing. This shit will wear on all the players still on the team. I can't imagen what Love is thinking about all of this and we are counting on him to turn into a good QB so the Packers don't start a QB carousel going forward. Players don't last forever and the salary cap works in the NFL. It's simply time to move on and get as much back as possible. It is a business not personal.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:18 pm

I think an overlooked but a real possibility here is in trading Bahktiari also in this deal ensures Rodgers doesn't back out of the deal and then there is a much bigger mess to deal with. So many splinters from all this taking place. Yes we get picks and players back for making these 2 trades. It helps us to maybe reload but not turn this into a 5 year rebuild. Thats all good. Watching Aaron Jones on tv begging Rodgers to stay was depressing. This shit will wear on all the players still on the team. I can't imagen what Love is thinking about all of this and we are counting on him to turn into a good QB so the Packers don't start a QB carousel going forward. Players don't last forever and the salary cap works in the NFL. It's simply time to move on and get as much back as possible. It is a business not personal.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:39 am

“The Packers would have 4 picks in the first 45 picks then. Hell, they could fix the Edge, WR, TE, and Tackle or Safety position all before the dreaded 3rd round.”

NP, did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning….LOL…you’re on a roll. I think you know draft picks are a crap shoot and don’t always fix your problems. If they did you would never see perennial losers like Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, etc…..They’re always picking in the top 10 and still have problems.

That said, I’d still love the opportunity to try and get some great players with those 4 picks.

As much as I like Love, it’s very unusual for a QB to do very good in their first year as well. It happens, but it’s against the odds.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:26 am

I agree with you that, like it was with Rodgers, the next couple of years will be growth years with Love if he pans out. They are also cap recovery years for us, during which FA activity is likely limited and internal development the focus along with getting into the position to be able to invest after if we are looking ready.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:04 pm

Actually, Rodgers and the O played well during his first starting year in 2008. The 6-10 season was mostly due the defense.

I think they lost 7 or so games by less than 4 points (2 in OT) when Bob Sanders' 21st ranked D, when on the field while the clock drained, would give up gut wrenching scores and lose many games late.

Of the 6 wins, all but one were one were by double digits.

Sanders was fired and Capers came in and the D finished 2nd and made the playoffs in 2009.

Ironically, Love may face similar circumstances next year with Barry Ball making his first starting year more difficult.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:36 pm

The record speaks for itself. Go back and look at great QB’s in their first year, seldom do you see greatness.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2023 at 04:49 pm

The problem is everyone has to realize the trading of AR is a PR nightmare for the Packers. It is bad enough they are getting rid of him, but they NEED to at least in appearance get sufficient trade value.

I mean the whole NFL world & fans will monitor for years whether the Jets screwed the Packers, or vice-versa. Jobs and reputations are on the line. The Jets only have a window of time to be considered a potential SB team. They do not have the draft capital to trade up and get one of the top QB's, and even if they did it would take several years for the QB to develop...and that is only if the QB is going to develop into a top flight QB

Rodgers is very talented & experienced & ready to go right now. I believe Gutey has more negotiation power because of that than many on here believe. The Packers do not need to trade Rodgers.

If you read the Jets sporting news they desperately need OL help & particularly at OT. Meaning they NEED their #13 pick in round 1 for the OT. Now the Packers want that #13 pick, so what gives? The Jets get DB for OT, and now the Packers get their #13 (and hopefully their #2). I am going to say look for the Packers to end up with the Jets TE, Jeremy Ruckert, and maybe a WR like Corey Davis, or preferably Elijah Moore. The Jets just revised one TE's contract this week, but not Ruckerts who is considered their best TE. Ruckerts restructure would save the Jets $5 million but just like Bachtiari his contract wasnt restructured. I think I agree with GreenGold somewhat and everything just may be on the table. Each team providing players who can help each other out with the Packers getting draft picks. This could end up a block buster trade. If correct and done right this could really benefit the Packers in rebuild.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:37 am

I'd be fine either way, provided the Jets give enough in trade.

The Packers basically had to play without DB for much of the past two years, and I think a Nijman-with-Tom-as-backup at left tackle is a pretty good situation.
I'd absolutely look at right tackle as a draft target, then; there are quite a few good RTs available in this draft (and they are always easier to find than LTs).

Honestly, Bakhtiari should be worth almost as much as Rodgers in a trade; DB will still be in his prime for a good 3-4 years, and probably would still be above average for several more if he chose to do so.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:54 am

I think you're right. DB69 is worth almost as much as AR12 in a trade...

I could see them both going to the Jets and both retiring at the same time.

Lets just hope Gutey reaps the rewards.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:42 pm

When Denver traded for Wilson they not only gave great picks to the Seahawks but also some really good players also. 1st round TE Noah Fant and a Edge Shelby Harris as well as a QB. I'm sure the Seahawks requested the first 2 players and the Broncos were over the QB. The Jets have been saying for a year that they would like to move on from 2020 first rounder OT Mecki Becton. They have the same time to move on feelings about Denzel Mims and Elijah Moore-wide receivers. The Packers should ask for all 3 players since they would help us fill holes and they are not in love with them anymore, like the QB Denver jettisoned. All 3 had really high draft grades but haven't really taken off with the Jets. The 2 WRs didn't have anyone good to throw to them and the Packers were high on both in their respective drafts. We should ask for all 3 and TE jeremy Ruckert as well. I get the impression from reading all available Packers news that we might not be getting anywhere near what we could have gotten last year. I hope they are wrong but I would be happier getting picks and scoring potentially good players at positions of need that could easily make our roster. I think any of the 4 would be upgrades and Becton could be a real steal. Players also wouldn't hurt as much as picks for the Jets.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:52 pm

So 4 players plus draft picks. How do you propose paying for all these players in addition to our own '23 draft picks? And Gary and Dillon are up for new contracts as well.

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Rossonero's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:37 am

Silverstein makes a valid point on restructuring Bakhtiari. Been very quiet on that front so far.

Probably one of the weak areas the Jets have is their offensive line. But trading away another All-Pro like Bakhtiari should only mean more (high) draft picks for the Packers.

The Jets need to cough up some 1st rounders for Rodgers (two I'd say, plus a player or a 3rd rounder). Adding Bakhtiari might complicate things unless they're going to trade away picks to the Packers in 2024 as well?

I say keep Bakhtiari to protect Love's blindside for now. He's under contract for '23 and '24, and then let him walk after that in spring 2025 (he'll be 34 by then).

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:02 am

"I say keep Bakhtiari to protect Love's blindside for now. "

I think Bakhtiari has more value than people give him credit--both to the Packers on the field and to other teams looking to shore up weaknesses. His injury situation bothered me less as the season wore on last year. Vets of his age and stature often have their practice reps monitored and reduced, anyway.

I also agree that the Jets have a capable LT, though. I don't know if Brown can play on the right side.

One thing that I will point to that would (or could) mitigate a change from Bakhtiari to NIjman/Tom/Jenkins is the likelihood that the Packers will embrace play action and more called rollouts and moving pockets to help support and take advantage of Love (or whomever the next QB would be). Those are all things that 12 didn't want to do. It doesn't change the fact that they would be moving to a capable, but lower-end LT, but it shifts how they think about the position in the grand scheme.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:16 am

Rodgers is the most accurate passer on the move in the history of the NFL. His age and the necessity of not taking any additional hits, saddled with a sore thumb and ribs had much to do with the pocket movement.
Hard for the TE to release in front of the QB when he's helping the tackles.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:58 am

...and I don't disagree with you on the stats, but the last couple years the Packers called very few plays with moving pockets and rollouts, even in games where the OL was getting had. It's not that he's not capable. It preceded the thumb, and usually mitigates hits and pressure. It also reduces the field, which--by all accounts--is why 12 didn't like or use those play calls.

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jurp's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:59 am

The problem is that Rodgers cannot move like he has in the past; he had only 94 yards rushing during the entire season in 22. He's been more statuesque than sprightly the last two-three years, so we've had much less to no pocket movement and fewer screens over that time.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:09 am

He's gone on record as saying he likes to play from the pocket and see the field. In his prime, he had tremendous pocket awareness and feel, and the ability to run away from DEs when he felt pressure. You're right, he can't run away from those guys anymore, and we see him getting caught from behind a lot more (and I think of his broken collarbones each timie), but opposing DC's know they don't have to prepare for called rollouts and rolling pockets with 12.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:07 am

This conversation has become contorted. If Rodgers stays, Bakh should, precisely because Rodgers is as you describe and is no longer truly mobile.

If Rodgers is gone, none of that applies and we have not only options at LT but I think at right. Nijman has, if retained, a year to work on his footwork at RT, if he stays in the right. Tom has a chance to bulk up, but held up well at LT. Jenkins is likely more himself if needed. I like Jones as further LT depth and Walker at RT. In any case, I expect a lot of play action and roll outs and Love is mobile—you summarize the impact that will have nicely.

Taken together, I believe we are fine and this is a panic built in this air. I expect us to draft, but if we tender Nijman as I think we will, we likely get a decent pick if he leaves. If Bakh leaves we get pick(s). If we move Jenkins or Tom to C, then maybe a T relatively early, if not I expect C/G to be the focus and later and they may prefer that regardless.

We are well at up for Love in his first season in my view. If Rodgers stays, we keep Bakh and are well set up for a great RT competition. Let’s not lose perspective because we are manufacturing a mania about Bakh as exaggerated as some have about Rodgers.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:16 am

Love is a pocket passer. Does LaFleur know what a Draw-play looks like, or a counter to trap an Inside pass rush? He has not shown this acumen, to date.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:09 am

If he doesn’t then we need to prove it, and he’s a total imposter. More on point, if that’s the case Bakh isn’t saving us or LaFleur’s career. If what we saw last year us the LaFleur offense in all it’s glory, we will have a new Head Coach next year.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:20 pm

I agree. Bakht would make Love's learning curve as a starter less steep. I do note David refused to the "void years" K's twice before. And if it looks like Rodgers is going, Bakht is probably even less likely to renegotiate unless it is for more money. Pack FO would be foolish to dig the cap hole deeper. Never count them out!

The interesting notion is the Jets need to upgrade at LT and bringing him along with Rodgers would greatly solidify the O to join an outstanding D. Very tempting for the Jets...and might tilt the deal toward the Packers if tempting enough.

Very interesting scenario. But as a Packer fan, I still want David protecting Love's left flank.

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:00 am

This does seem a possibility since they haven't restructured Baks contract. But to absorb all the dead money in one year seems unlikely.

Rodgers has two choices. Retire or be traded. To return has the possibility of the Packers declaring an open competition for QB and that would be disastrous for everyone.

Rodgers will get a new contract with the Jets.
He will have to commit to two to preferably three more years.

The Jets, well they are in a bind. They have publicly stated they want a veteran QB to make a run for the Super Bowl. There's no other option for them. Rodgers is their only path for that so Gute has leverage.

That is why I have suggested 1st and 2nd rounders this year and a conditional 1st round next year.

But back to Baks trade value. How can the Packers handle the dead money? If there is a way around that, then swapping tackles would sweeten the deal. And become a real possibility.

We will know in about 5 days

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:26 am

"then swapping tackles would sweeten the deal. And become a real possibility."

Remember that adding players in return adds to the Packers' cap problems...and sending additional players to the Jets compounds a tight cap situation for them, as well. They've made some moves and are now $3M in the black, but will need to do more to open their cap to anyone they might acquire in trade--not to mention draft picks, FAs, PS players, and other 2023 operating costs.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:26 am

The Packers won’t try to extort the Jets. I have read that they just want a fair trade. Some think that may be a 2nd this year and conditional 2nd/1st next year. I think a first this year and a conditional 2nd/1st next year is fair. Throw in an extra 3rd if Bakhtiari goes along

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:43 am

I think if you're saying Bakhtiari is worth a 3rd that there would be a lot of teams willing to pay that price.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:45 am

My point is not that Bakhtiari is worth a 3rd. IMO he's worth a second. My point is that a 3rd round pick will be the most we'll get from another team, given his age, injury history, and contract. It's just reality

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DoubleJ's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:31 am

"But to absorb all the dead money in one year seems unlikely."

Absorbing the dead money is one year might be the best thing to do, assuming they can field a team. That would make 2023 a rebuilding year and having a bunch of cap space in 2024. At that point you can resign players like Gary and have their cap hit be bigger in 2024 and then smaller after that.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:46 am

DJ, that is exactly what I was thinking! Totally agree!

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croatpackfan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:03 am

I believe that deal in package may produce 1st and 2nd this year and conditional 1st next season.

Would I do it? I think that depends on their view how far backups (Ryan, Walker & Jones) progress and is there OL good enough to start immediately in the draft. It also depends what will Zach Tom do this off season on his strength. If he will bulk up, he might be next very good to excellent Packers LT for years. Packers has probowl LG, which can help "new" LT.

If they are not confident, try to keep David for another year.

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Guam's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:20 am

Agreed Croat. Trading Bahk would leave the Packers with four quality O-linemen, one promising second year player (Tom) and a bunch of question marks (Newman, Rhyan, Walker, and Jones). Since you need seven quality O-linemen due to injury issues, the Packers would have to be awfully confident in the development of at least one of the Rhyan - Walker- Jones grouping and their ability to land a quality O-lineman in the draft to trade Bahk.

I think it is likely they keep Bahk.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:24 am

You don’t think Tom is a quality O-lineman? You also don’t think the Packers would address the position in the draft if Bakh was traded?

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:50 am

I would say that Tom played well in spot duty in 2022. He needs to hold up in regular duty as teams get more tape on him to determine whether he's really a quality OL.

A lot of people saying he needs to "bulk up" and I agree that's been the knock on him: he's a finesse OL whose best attributes are his feet, smarts, and agility. While it seems he certainly could get stronger, not every player gets better with bulk--especially if it saps him of his bread and butter--and not every player can translate limited success into long-term production.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:45 am

There is 2 ways (at least) to bulk up - 1. to add weight or 2. to add functional muscles. Second option lasts longer to get, but is better option to keep your basic good traits.

Of course, you can combine those 2 ways, but that will last even longer.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:31 pm

I recall what David looked like coming to GB after his Junior year at 1-11 Colorado. The dig on him was his size...thin arms and at 6'4" 300 lbs was forecasted to move inside and play G.

Sound familiar..."Can you hear me Major Tom?"

The Packers have one of the highest rated Strength and Weight program in the NFL. Tom will get stronger. And his excellent feet, balance, and agility will continue to get better too. Big brain doesn't hurt either. Amazing a rookie can play steady to solid RT, LT, and LG!

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Guam's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:54 am

I don't think Tom is a proven commodity - very promising, but not established in a position yet. Yes, I believe the Packers would address the O-line if Bahk were traded, but they have to hit on that draft choice (think Sean Rhyan), not just pick somebody. Bahk is an established player, a draft choice is a crap shoot. How much do you want to gamble with Love's blindside protection?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:25 am

I don't want to gamble on Love's blindside at all, but if they were to trade Bakhtiari, they must know something we don't...

Like Rasheed Walker and Caleb Jones are ready to break out, or something close to that.

I can see Gutey trading Rodgers and Bakh to NYJ in a package deal, for the right compensation, but agree our FO better have a wicked transition plan in place before they do...

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croatpackfan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:06 am

I understood that both Walker and Caleb Jones are RT guys. LT should be covered by Nijman and/or Tom. Than we have Jenkins and Runyan and Myers at center. For true emergency I believe Jenkins can play LT, but than will be much more expensive (incentives in his contract!).

Packers should bring another center to compete with Myers for sure.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:26 am

Jones is capable of playing LT and was moved there from RT as camp progressed and in season. Thus far Walker had only been at RT to my knowledge.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:30 am

Thanks Coldworld. Didn't know about that. It brought logical conclusion that Jones might be very good if they moved him to learn LT position.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:24 am

Instead of a 2nd this year, I would say a 3rd is more likely, but otherwise I agree.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:33 pm

A third? A third? We don't need no stinking thirds!

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:38 am

I've been pretty vocal about this bundling of big-contract players plan being unreasonable (and mostly unprecedented) in the hard-cap NFL. Happens a lot in the NBA, but not to this point in football. Some point to the Wilson deal last year, but that was one high contract player moving in return for a series of picks and cheap roookie-contract guys. The more reputable sources ponder it, the more I need to re-think it.

I firmly believe that the Packers get more in return if they move players separately as opposed to bundling them (how much capital is one team going both have available AND to be willing to part with?), but if the bundle is what it takes for the Packers to achieve their goals maybe that's what you gotta do.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that a trade might be made initially and prior to the 2023 draft, and a follow up trade (post Jun 1 for cap purposes) could happen to finish the overall transaction and mitigate the hits. I'll point to Michael Brockers who was dealt to the Lions by the Rams shortly after the Stafford deal (and after the initial stages of FA) for a song (7th rounder)...while not a Jun. 1 transaction, it was clearly the Rams making cap adjustments and sweetening the Lions pot.

As for the Packers OL plans, we'll see at what level they tender Nijman. That might be a good indicator of what they plan to do with Bakhtiari--but something with Bakhtiari might happen prior to the tender date next week. I think Nijman is a capable LT, and that Tom held up in spot duty, but I'm not nearly so high on Caleb Jones or Rasheed Walker as LT candidates. Maybe Walker develops, but they'd have to be really high on one or both of those players to not have to use an early pick in the upcoming draft on an OT.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:24 am

The J-E-t-s spent a One pick on OTs in 2020-21 and added Mitchell with a four pick and he played the RT spot.
I do not believe they are motivated to take a risk with Bhak, regardless of the fantasy value.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:22 am

TBH I think they should try to trade Bakhtiari. They will save a bit of cap space this year but will free up over 30 million of cap space in 2024.

I think that, as we transition away from the old vets (Rodgers), it makes sense to unload some of the big contracts, especially for an injury prone 32 year old LT. If Rodgers and Bakhtiari were included we would for sure get a first rounder, and I would use that to go OT in the first round of this talented OT class.

Next years OT class is also looking to be great, and could be even better than this one.

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T7Steve's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:09 am

Jersy Al stated yesterday that he didn't think it was a good year for tackles. Did you dispute that, and I missed it? If so, what was his reply?

I have to get to the bottom of this. LOL.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:44 am

There are 3 surefire first rounders in Paris Johnson, Peter Skoronski, and Broderick Jones, and there are a slew of very talented players in the second: Cody Mauch, Anton Harrison, Darnell Wright, Dawand Jones, Matthew Bergeron, Blake Freeland, and maybe even Jaeylan Duncan

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egbertsouse's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:32 am

Time to go young and dump big salaries. Blow it up, Gute, blow it up!!

FYI- I am not delusional. I know this has absolutely zero chance of happening. However, it would be highly entertaining after five years of Groundhog Day.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:31 am

"Blow it up"

Exactly what a fan from another team would say. All the Vikings and Bears fans would definitely be encouraging the Packers to blow the team up.

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HarryHodag's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:45 am

"All in".

We tend to forget those words from the past couple of seasons. To the critics I say this: the Packers went above and beyond what was called for to retain Aaron Rodgers and SEVERAL key players. It's time to move the team forward. The principal error they made was not getting a top-flight receiver to add to the mix. But if you look at the contracts of the players they did retain they spent like drunken sailors to stay at the top. But like the credit card bill after Christmas, reality has set in. Without balancing the books the future looks more like the Houston Texans than the Kansas City Chiefs.

It's sad when your favorite players have to go, but rebuild they must. Even with Rodgers this year(albeit injured) this squad lost to the Vikings and the Lions. If you want to win it all the best way is to win the division. At this point I don't think that will happen.

It's time to cut ties with the past, shed as much of the contracts as is smart and move forward. Given David B.'s health and contract it might also be time to move on. It's also time for Matt LF to see what most other people see concerning his defensive coordinator but that's another story.

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x24's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:59 am

Make it stop

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:03 am

I would have to imagine one of Rodgers concerns with the Jets is the OL. It wouldn't be surprising if Rodgers would try to get one of his best friends to come to NY with him.

So now if that were to happen, what would that mean for GB? Well we have some options for LT. Could move Jenkins to LT. Could go with Tom. Maybe they resign Yosh. Maybe they draft the next LT. There are some options.

But losing both Rodgers and Bakhtiari would be crazy.
I was just listening to Jason Wilde on a radio show a bit ago and I completely agree with what he says. I feel the exact same way. If people are very hopeful that all these moves would be made, to just be careful what you wish for. Because there is a good chance it doesn't work out the way you think it may work out. It may work out, but there is a good chance it doesn't.

I agree with him on that. I'm always hopeful and optimistic. But there is a real chance this could be a very bad decision and will set the team back for years.

In the scenerio above about trading both Rodgers and Bakhtiari I think should be a no. But if they end up doing that, I hope they get one hell of a hall for them. Anything short of that is a huge mistake imo.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:15 am

" If people are very hopeful that all these moves would be made, to just be careful what you wish for."

Buyer beware.

I don't think these would be moves made for 2023, but further down the road....and 2-3 years is an eternity in pro sports.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:01 am

exactly right Dobber. Buyer beware.

Yeah and that is the concern. Because if these moves don't pan out for down the road then this was a huge mistake. Only looks worse if Rodgers goes to Jets and wins a super bowl in the next couple of years.

I maybe one of the few that thinks this team lead by Rodgers this coming year could be a super bowl contender this coming year. I feel like the team will take a big jump next year because of the young players, because the OL solidified itself. The defense will add more talent. Offense too.
I think we can be competitive with Love, maybe. But I don't know much about him because we simply haven't seen much of him to make any big bold predictions.

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beerandbrats's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:24 am

I would be happy to get two 2nd round picks just to move on from AR12. Next year's 2nd round pick should be conditional and becomes a 1st round pick if the Jets make the playoffs.

The Jets also need a left tackle and are expected to draft one with the 13th pick. The Jets could follow Gute's strategy by taking Bak in the trade and still draft a tackle in the 1st round to replace him down the road. Let the Jets keep their 1st round pick because the goal is to get out of cap hell with these costly veteran contracts. If Rodgers and Bak help the Jets get to the playoffs, everybody is happy with the deal!

Additionally, wouldn't it be fun to play AR12, Bak and the Jets in the SB a couple of years down the road? Let's get this deal done because it is well past time to move on!

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BAMABADGER's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:40 am

Keep all options open. If we gain significant capital with the trade of AR and Bak, now is the time. The tread is wearing thin on both. There are significant, high quality LTs available in this years draft to fill Bak's position. We have the potential to improve blatant holes on this team and make a tremendous impact on the cap going forward. This is above all a business. GPG!

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Qoojo's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:50 am

This is more about a sports writer that must produce during offseason.

Why would the packers get rid of one of the best LTs in the game? Because he might get injured again and/or is old? This isn't a complete rebuild process.

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HarryHodag's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:06 am

...because a knee that has been problematic could pop again in the physical world of pro football and the Packers would be on the hook for a lot of dinero and cap space. Knees are not like Tommy John surgery in baseball. There the elbow-arm are stronger after the surgery. Knee surgery means the knee is functional but it is never stronger and might be more prone to injury.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:19 am

I did some reading on this and my recollection was that the data show that an ACL reconstruction doesn't have meaningfully higher likelihood for reinjury than an ACL tear in an uninjured knee. Now, in this case, we know this was not an ordinary tear.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:33 am

They rushed him onto the field in Detroit when he was still vulnerable and I suspect something was botched by the initial surgery. If his knee was shot he wouldn't be knocking people on their asses as he did when he returned to the field of play.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:37 am

Yes, the risk of reinjury does increase, but also the risk that reinjury is not capable of repair sustaining continued elite athletic function. Every surgically reconstructed anterior cruciate ligament can retear. The risk ranges from one or two percent to more than 20 percent, depending on the nature of the surgery, the extent of damage and whether there is additional collateral damage sustained to connected or interrelated tissue at the time if injury or subsequent intervention.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:01 am

Bakh's ongoing problem isnt with the ACL, its with swelling caused from deteriorated meniscus tissue. Happens with a lot of ACL tears. Its what ultimately ended Todd Gurley's career despite being like 6 years post-ACL surgery.

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Qoojo's picture

March 09, 2023 at 01:30 pm

and the Jets don't know this? These trade talks are always moronic. If he is so injury prone, then why would another team take him at a high price? It's all fantasy.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:47 am

Because he's old, expensive, injury prone, and his replacement is already on the roster. They should explore every possible option at this point.

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bsteinwagner30's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:11 am

The benefit is what happens to the salary cap in 2024. With AR and DB mostly removed from the cap GB will have almost $100 million in available cap space based upon overthecap.com. 2023 will be a transition year, they will be setup for success in 2024 and beyond.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:46 am

Bingo. The very plan I've been calling for for the last year. Take a year to get the cap right so they can be spenders in 2024.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:49 pm

Agree, but most of this will be negated if the coaching doesn't improve...especially on D. Losing Jerry Gray made Barry Ball an even greater liability.

MLF wanted Gray back but he said adios...he had seen enough of Barry Ball. Apparently he and Joe were estranged from each other. Gray just hated Barry's passive, prevent D.

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PatrickGB's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:13 am

Two things have been on my mind after reading all the speculation. First, I don’t expect that the Packers will get a buttload of picks for Rodgers. There is too much speculation on his future for a team to do that. I think that conditional picks are more likely. Second, a premier LT is like gold and losing him would hurt Love’s development. Maybe I am overvaluing Bahk , but I think that his value is as high as Rodgers is at this point in time. He can be restructured but Rodgers can not.

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Dragon5's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:13 am

First and foremost, front office gets a big fat bold, italicized, underlined, highlighted F for not executing the trade last year with Denver. When it's all said and done, we'll likely have missed acquiring at least an additional 1st and 2nd playing woulda coulda shoulda. The Jets will likely be slotted much further down in '24. Even if total compensation is less than desired, the 13th pick is an absolute necessity to make amends for incompetence to gain flexibility to leverage trades back with not one, but two first rounders. There's no reason we can't have 6 starters from 10 picks in the first 3 rounds.

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PatrickGB's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:24 am

Yes. That was a big mistake. But woulda, coulda, should’ve won’t fly without a team willing to make a trade THIS year. I think that other teams have us over a barrel because Rodgers is at the very end of his career, did not do as well last year, has a huge cap hit and might not want to sign for more than a year. Our team does not have much bargaining power.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:37 am

There are definitely reasons. Just review the drafting since 2017.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:41 am

Nice article. My only dispute is with the 2nd to last sentence. There's no need to embrace a rebuild when the replacements for the 2 players of topic in this article are already on the roster. The rebuild already happened.

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jhtobias's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:42 am

This is interesting and possible.

I would absuletly demand from the jets this yrs 1st and 2nd and elijah moore if both players are involved . Dont waiver woody johnson is very desperate much more than the packers .

Look at it this way if rodgers retires ok we miss out on comp but take the same 32 million plus 8 in dead cap. Add Bak well open the flood gates on the jets .

There is no way i dont make the jets give up the13th pick for rodgers not gonna help tyem for pennies on the dollar no way

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:44 am

We’re talking about trading away our best LT. I didn’t realize our line was so strong that we don’t need him.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:50 am

The team needs cap space and draft capital to build for the future with Love. And they already have Bakhtiari's replacement on the roster. It makes sense to move on while Bakh still has value. They got 10 good years out of him. No shame in moving on now.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:02 am

Who is his replacement?

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:51 am

Zack Tom. Very few noticed a difference when he played vs when Bakh played. An offseason in the pro strength and conditioning program will have him ready to be the longterm LT.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:57 am

I agree with you. I like Tom a lot.

But since I had him penciled in at RT, who do you think would become the RT at this point?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:04 pm

Rasheed Walker or Nijman (if back on the team) or Caleb Jones or Gutey drafts Broderick Jones to play LT and Dawand Jones to play RT... (Or guys they like.)

If Gutey were to trade DB69, I am sure he would have a plan. Just hope it's a good one...

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:11 am

We have six legitimate starters on the OL.....Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Nijman, Runyan, Myers Tom.

Trade away Bakhtiari, we're down to five.

One guy gets hurt, and now we have Newman on the field. Another guy gets hurt and now Hanson is lining up next to Newman.

No. No. No. Nothing good happens on offense unless people get blocked, and it's a long season and people get hurt. Don't weaken the offensive line.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 09, 2023 at 10:51 am

They're gonna draft more linemen. They always draft linemen.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2023 at 01:14 pm

So we know that this Day 3 lineman we're drafting is going to be good enough, as a rookie, that we can play him? I mean, not like Rhyan and Walker and Jones last year, who were all rookies and didn't play a single snap.

There has never been a team that was bad because it had too many capable OL. It's a mistake, IMO, to weaken it.....age, time, and injuries will do that for you. Right now we've got six. If we have good luck with injuries, that might be enough, but we suit up 9 so those 7-8-9 guys have to be able to play.

Right now, we're talking about Newman, Rhyan, and Walker, probably. Trading Bakhtiari makes Newman our first interior backup and Walker our first backup tackle. IMO, that's a shaky plan.

Look at Philadelphia's offensive line. We need to be strengthening our line, not weakening it.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:00 am

I am not confident of Newman or Hanson developing into viable backups even.

If I'm Gutey, I draft Broderick Jones as our LT of the future and Dawand Jones as our RT of the future. (Or guys they like...)

Much depends on if AR12 goes to NYC and what draft capital we receive in return, but if I am Gutey, I'm investing in our LT of the future to protect Jordan Love. We need a dominant RT too, so get it done.

*If we were to trade Aaron Rodgers and David Bakhtiari

*13 Broderick Jones LT | Georgia

15 Quentin Johnston WR | TCU

43 *Dawand Jones RT | Ohio State

45 Darnell Washington TE | Georgia

78 Andre Carter II EDGE | Army

116 Roschon Johnson RB | Texas

151 Owen Pappoe LB | Auburn

171 Brandon Joseph S | Notre Dame

234 Evan Hull RB | Northwestern

237 Warren McClendon OT | Georgia

244 Elijah Higgins WR | Stanford

256 Tavius Robinson EDGE | Mississippi

259 Matt Landers WR | Arkansas

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greengold's picture

March 09, 2023 at 11:28 am

Um, the solution is simple. Take the R1, and turn it into the best LT you can get based upon your evaluations to start the clock over at the position, while righting your cap.

Don't like that one?

How about taking the cap savings and signing a quality, proven LT with ascending numbers in FA?

Don't like that one either?

How about making a trade for another, more affordable LT, one with more longevity ahead, yet, a quality starter?

There. It's not the end of the world. Stenovich is a pretty damn good OL coach. His development of players is proven. Is it not? Do you know where we stand with the development of Newman? Hansen? Any of the other younger OL in our system? Caleb Jones? Luke Tenuta? Rasheed Walker? Sean Rhyan?

There's a good chance they are on schedule in their development.

We have players ready to step in and start right now. You know this. We went through this prior to last year's draft, did we not? The sky didn't fall.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:10 pm

Wonder what RFA tender they assign to Yosh Nijman too?

If they go with a 1st round tender, we could be looking at another 1st round pick, if a GM were to consider Yosh a viable LT for their team.

That would certainly be interesting too...

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 09, 2023 at 12:18 pm

That is just lemming talk.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:53 am

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