Seahawks 27 Packers 24: Game Balls & Lame Calls

Rinse, repeat.  Green Bay Packers face the Seattle Seahawks on the road and come home losers.  The image above looks all-too familiar.

The only good thing to come out of this game was that the officiating wasn't to blame for the loss and it wasn't an epic meltdown.  Instead, it was just another of what has become a typical performance by this year's Packers.

On to the night's best and worst.

Game Balls

Kyler Fackrell

I'm tempted to make a joke here about how apocalyptic it sounds when Kyler Fackrell is the first Game Ball recipient but the jokes need to cease.

Fackrell is becoming a player.  That or he is having one of the most anomaly surges in an NFL career that I've seen in a long time.  

He now leads the team with eight sacks on the season.  The way this year has gone for the Packers, it shouldn't be a surprise that this is happening.

Davante Adams

Adams is just a beast.  No matter the situation or who is out there trying (unsuccessfully) to cover him, Adams just balls out.  Every week.

He's as reliable as they come and will likely provide most of the offensive highlights the rest of the way this season.  

The NFL owes Adams some extra cash for their use of his long catch late in this game as an example of pass interference during the offseason officials meetings.

Aaron Jones

Jones made the most of his 11 touches.  He scored an early rushing touchdown and added in five catches and another score. 

Jones, like Adams, shines through when the rest of the team is a wet blanket.  Hopefully whoever is running this offense next year let's Jones run wild.

Lame Calls

Mike McCarthy

What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall this week at 1265.  As even keel as the Packers like to portray themselves, I have to wonder what Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst will be saying to Mark Murphy when the dust settles.

McCarthy played another big part in his team's loss this season.  His decision to punt on fourth-and-two late in this game sealed his fate and was the final nail in the coffin of his Packers coaching career.  

A head coach who chooses to play scared instead of realizing that the defense was beat up and couldn't stop a sloth in a dead sprint doesn't deserve to hold the play sheet any longer.

I can appreciate what McCarthy did for the Packers as a whole but he's been a huge can of disappointment this season.  He'll leave on a rough note but he's done a lot of this to himself.

Aaron Rodgers

Throw your numbers, excuses and barbs at me all day long.  Rodgers turned into a major pumpkin in the second half.  

His actual stats in this game were good.  Good enough for most teams to win.  Had I seen what his numbers would be beforehand, I would have assumed the Packers win this one.

The long scoring pass to Robert Tonyan and the deep throw to Adams were nice, but it was the short, easy, wide open but missed throws that land Rodgers on this list.

That also doesn't take into account the poor decision making that led to key sacks and killed several drives.

Rodgers' vision is flat-out awful this season.  He's not seeing obvious open throws and no one wants to admit it or say it, so I'll do it for you or against you: Rodgers is not an elite quarterback right now.

The problem with the debate about why Rodgers has been so out of sort this season pits two sides with insanely different logic to them.

There are those who want to show us why with actual game evidence that is a horrible look for the beloved 12.  Hard to argue with it.

But many will try and it's only because they don't want to admit that Rodgers can actually be this bad or that, dare I say it?  He may be in the beginning of a decline in some of his abilities.

Either way, I'm done handing out passes. Too many easy misses that could have changed the outcome of this game to let Rodgers slide away without landing here.

Injuries

I watched the game so I am aware that many key players were hurt during this game.  Too many to overcome on the road.

Same story with these Packers.  They seemed healthy through the bye but regression to the mean has taken over and they're getting ravaged with guys missing time.  

Honestly, the way this season is going, might as well let guys heal and start looking at what they'll want to carry over to 2019.

The 2018 Green Bay Packers

Evergreen entry each week, I think.

0-5 on the road and just a listless performance by the offense and a defense with too many back ups playing at a critical time.  Not a good recipe.

Their reward?  A trip to Minnesota where they are winless in two tries.  I'll go ahead and say I have no faith in a team that is 0-5 on the road trying to find their first win away from home in that building. 

They aren't the Buffalo Bills, after all.

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Jason is a freelance writer on staff since 2012 and also co-hosts Cheesehead TV Live, Pulse of the Pack and Pack A Day podcasts.  You can follow him on Twitter here

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:11 am

"A head coach who chooses to play scared instead of realizing that the defense was beat up and couldn't stop a sloth in a dead sprint doesn't deserve to hold the play sheet any longer."

This was the clincher for me. I turned to my wife at that point and said, "he's throwing in the towel." Already couldn't stop the run while Clark and Daniels were playing. There was no rational reason to think this defense was going to get them the ball back.

If they went for it and didn't get it, would there be another arm of the fan base going off because they had 4+ minutes and a TO in their pocket? Probably. You can't please everyone...but at least TRY to win. The odds on 4th and 2 are actually, statistically, pretty good.

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Razer's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:38 am

I didn't interpret the 4th down decision as "throwing in the towel". It did indicate a severe lack of trust in the offense. Since we failed to establish a real run game, the 4th down play would have been Rodgers waiting for someone to get open, a bubble screen to the LOS or a sack. Seattle showed us the value of a serious run attack. We are high school on this front.

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:03 am

True, or the play would've been the "run fake and #12 sprints like a crazy man for the sideline marker" play. In all, I would've spread the field with a single back, and then read the defense to either make a quick hitter to a slot WR or given it to #33 and let him go get it.

The announcers were all over the 'quality' of the offense in the first half, but some of that was predicated on #12 hanging the ball out downfield on 3rd down (like we frequently see). It's just that a couple of those actually connected this time.

I still can't understand how Adams didn't get that PI call late in the game.

Food for thought: no WR not named Adams caught more than one pass last night.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 17, 2018 at 04:52 am

When your "elite" QB throw the ball in the ground and not to the wide open reciever 7 yards away from him for new 1st down, I would really ask myself what to do. Will you really trust your QB to be able to run, to give the ball to RB or to throw fairly acurate pass to the WR, when he is not capable to throw the ball 7 yards to the hands of wide open WR. Kids with closed eyes make that throws.

I have issues with Mike McCarthy, but they are completely different than "mistakes" you are placing on him shoulder.

I would tell Aaron that next time I will be honest with reporters and tell them who did what when Packers are running offense, that I will not cover him under "I do not remember" statement.

I believe some of you are right that Mike McCarthy is losing his team, and the reason is nothing else than covering Aaron's bitchy behaviour on the field... I think we should start to understand why so many teams passed Aaron during that famous draft. Cocky? Was that the reason?

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worztik's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:00 am

Hey Dob... I’m still around and McCarthy needs to go!!!

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:55 am

Haven't seen you for awhile! Hope you're well!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:08 am

I trust that the two downvotes, Worztik, are for your comment about MM and not the state of your health. Get well!

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worztik's picture

November 16, 2018 at 05:16 pm

Thanks Dob and o’ great one!!!!

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Since'61's picture

November 16, 2018 at 05:23 pm

Wortzik - great to hear from you. Hope that you are doing well. Stay strong buddy. Thanks, Since '61

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The TKstinator's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:10 pm

I too am pleased to see you back. Rock on.

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NickPerry's picture

November 17, 2018 at 05:09 am

Good to see you here Worztik.... Hang in there, stay strong and McCarthy DOES need to go!

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egbertsouse's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:24 am

Nobody is even mentioning the challenge Mikey didn’t make on the big pass play that got Seattle out of the hole. All the dumb challenges that idiot makes during a season and all the time outs that he wastes every game and he fails to challenge a clear incompletion that would have changed the game.......

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Razer's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:32 am

He didn't challenge because he had wasted 2 timeouts earlier scheming a non running play. Overall, I have no problem with not issuing that challenge. All most of us saw was that back of a GB helmet at the critical moment. Given that the refs gave the earlier incomplete catch to the Seahawks, I had no confidence that we would get a fair shake. Officiating was very poor in this game.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:43 am

i don't see a reversal of that Seattle catch as a foregone conclusion. Having said that, you lose every challenge you don't make and that play was worth one. It was a big play in a big moment where there was at least a chance for a reversal.

Either way, the pattern of burning time outs to avoid delay of game penalties has been going on for far too long now. That is Offense 101...get a play called and line up within the time constraints of the play clock.

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:05 am

"Having said that, you lose every challenge you don't make and that play was worth one."

This is where whichever coach is in the booth watching replays and telling MM whether or not he had a shot lost his job, too. But you're right: we've seen MM throw those challenge flags on less certain outcomes than that one.

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GregManderfeld's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:00 am

The reversal call was the correct call by the refs. He had established himself as a runner at the point of fumbling. But to the real point.... Critical moments in a game call for a challenge, regardless if you lose your last timeout. Once again MM has shown the execs, the team, and the fans that he is not capable of managing this team any longer. He runs an all to predictable antiquated offense.

As for not going for it on 4th & 2, I have concluded that he wanted to put the pressure and blame on Pettine for not being able to scheme up a stop. Little does MM know, that the buck stops with him. He has wasted away another season for us fans and failed to capitalize on the height of Rodgers career. At this stage in his career, he needs to be surrounded by more play makers. We can no longer rely on pulling rabbits out of hats week in week out.

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Barazinho's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:01 am

He never had control of the ball.

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GregManderfeld's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:10 am

I can see how you would make a case for this, but I will disagree on this one. He had control of the ball took 3 steps before it was jarred loose.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 16, 2018 at 03:32 pm

What jarred the ball loose? He wasn't being touched by anyone by the time the ball was popping free, he was just running. If there was no external force that caused him to lose control, the argument that he had control at any point becomes exceedingly weak.

Of course the NFL will stand by the call (probably) . And fans will be back to not having a clear understanding of what makes a catch again. I thought they fixed that. Last night proved they did not.

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PACKERNICK's picture

November 17, 2018 at 02:15 am

Imo he was establishing control on the three steps. Interpretation rule that Seahawks won. I think it could have gone either way. The 55 yard return by Trevor Davis was a bogus call on blocking. Even Ache Man said so. The officiating in the NFL is becoming a joke. I don't like it. The refs can affect the outcome of a game by making "tickey tack" calls. Hands to the face is my favorite. They call it when they need it because I see it on almost every play.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:51 am

Totally MM ,Rogers has nothing to do with that.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:42 am

I better LOL that or some people might not get the sarcasm.

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The TKstinator's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:13 pm

Use these:
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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:29 am

Honestly. I wouldn't have challenged it with 3 timeouts left.
With that crew it is guaranteed they would have kept it as called. How they overturned the previous challenge to me showed they would have kept this one.

This crew is terrible! They should not be allowed to do another Packers game. How do they not call DPI on that play to Adams down the right sideline? They called a very similar play against Raven Greene. How they don't throw that one, really, really killed the Packers.

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:07 am

I'll disagree only in that Raven Greene plowed through the WR and wasn't playing the ball. Wagner hit Adams--clear contact with the ball in the air that impeded the WRs ability to catch the ball--and got away with it. In either case, I thought they were clear calls. How the second one wasn't called, I'll never know.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:12 am

Agreed. Both were pretty clear-cut, but Raven "Bulldozer" Greene's penalty really was egregious, blatant, (I've run out of adjectives).

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flackcatcher's picture

November 16, 2018 at 12:01 pm

Wilson suckered Greene twice on that series with play action. A veteran would play off his fellow DB and know when to peek back. Price a team pays when force to play rookies.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:24 am

yeah, they weren't the same, but both were clear penalties. They called one and not the other. Of course the one they didn't call screwed the Packers.

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November 16, 2018 at 10:05 am

If Greene had any sense of what was happening and actually plays the ball, he might have noticed that the ball was under thrown with Alexander in position to make a play. For the past 5 or 6 years we have been trotting out safeties (with the exception of Ha Ha, at times) who are not athletic enough to play center field and we get to stare at the back of their jerseys all game long.

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November 16, 2018 at 11:03 am

Or he could have simple turned and possibly caught the ball. And if he turns, he's "playing the ball" and gets a lot more leeway about making contact with the receiver.

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GregManderfeld's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:11 am

This is also true. The whole secondary just needs better awareness.

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Barazinho's picture

November 16, 2018 at 03:25 pm

I'll give him some leeway because he's a rookie, but Jaire is really good and seeing the receiver anticipating the catch, and turning/finding/defending the ball. Raven needs to learn that technique too.

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jlc1's picture

November 16, 2018 at 12:17 pm

That was PI on Wagner, no doubt. It was also PI on the defender on the bomb Adams did catch but there too no flag was dropped. But hey CMIII drove Wilson down after he threw and did not get the penalty.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:53 am

Also on an earlier run the hold on Matthews was very obvious.

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Rebecca's picture

November 16, 2018 at 03:58 pm

I saw that too. That was a critical play too.

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Buckywunder's picture

November 16, 2018 at 03:01 pm

The Seahawks got multiple views for more than a minute to be able to challenge their possession call.

GB *never* had the TV camera view that would have triggered a challenge on that late — and *critical* — completion by SEA until AFTER the next play ran.

That crap ALWAYS happens at home for the Seahawks. ALWAYS...

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Razer's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:26 am

...The long scoring pass to Robert Tonyan and the deep throw to Adams were nice, but it was the short, easy, wide open but missed throws that land Rodgers on this list. That also doesn't take into account the poor decision making that led to key sacks and killed several drives.

Rodgers' vision is flat-out awful this season. He's not seeing obvious open throws and no one wants to admit it or say it, so I'll do it for you or against you: Rodgers is not an elite quarterback right now....

Good recap Jason. Bottomline is that our star QB is playing poorly and wildly inconsistent. Maybe he is an adrenaline junkie or straight out ego maniac but moving the chains isn't part of this offense. He loves the applause of these crazy scramble completions but forgoes the simple slant or checkdown. To boot, he is throwing almost everything off his back foot. Bad mechanics. More than anyone - Rodgers lost this game.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:29 am

I'm right there with you!

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GregManderfeld's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:10 am

Agreed. Execution was poor, but play calling was equally as bad in the 2nd half. I do not think McCarthy knows how to change his game plan, even with the other team making adjustments at half time.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 16, 2018 at 12:05 pm

Is Rodgers executing the adjustments made at halftime?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:32 am

"He's not seeing obvious open throws and no one wants to admit it or say it"

Oh, I think he sees a lot of them. Some of them he undoubtedly can't see because 300lb linemen are in the line of sight. But I know there arenones he's seen and he won't throw the football. Not because he's out of position for the throw, but because he simply refuses.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:57 am

On an earlier drive when they settled for a field goal, he just kept looking in the end zone too long ,but had Jones slightly to the right for an easy first down. I just think he lacks patience this year.

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GregManderfeld's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:14 am

I noticed this a few times last night. There were at least 3 plays where the defense was not even playing Jones who had slipped out in the flat and Rodgers failed or refused to look over there. 2 of these 3 plays resulted in sacks.

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Barazinho's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:06 am

On the first long Adams completion, he had plenty of time and space to throw the ball, but just rocked back and sidearmed it, and it was underthrown, which prevented a longer gain or touchdown.

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November 16, 2018 at 07:27 am

That Jones only carried the ball 11 times is obscene

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:27 am

After every game, same comments, same analysis, same team, same excuses, same coaching, don't know how the Green Bay press can do this job with a straight face. Plenty of money being made however due to fan misguided loyalty to an organization that doesn't seem to have any sense of urgency, ever ! Heck, Bart Starr's teams in the early 80's were more exciting than this. At some point most fans will find something better to do with their time than bother with this team until management changes, and I am a sharholder.

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pacman's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:47 am

I'm only angry with myself for letting myself hope they win.

Actually - not. I'm really angry at the entire Packer management for letting this embarrassment happen. Gute gets a pass because it is assumed that he wanted to fire MM and Murphy said no. So much of this is on Murphy. He should go too and build an park and ice skating rink somewhere.

Rodgers is not great this year but he is still good enough to win games if MM didn't lose it for him. He talks about waiting for that moment of change. You are the @#[email protected]% leader of this team. YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN.

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Razer's picture

November 16, 2018 at 07:59 am

...Rodgers is not great this year but he is still good enough to win games if MM didn't lose it for him...

McCarthy's offense is making way too many mistakes to contend for anything but "average team of the year" awards. BUT, Rodgers is playing poorly and is costing this team wins. His attitude on the field and on the bench is disheartening. Watch Brady and Brees who immediately go to their coach and the tablet after a series then watch our pouter. No Rodgers doesn't get a pass - he gets a super big FAIL.

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Slim11's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:06 am

I'm also a shareholder.

Stepping back a little, remember that Mike Sherman got one season with Ted Thompson before being fired. Thompson did give Sherman a chance and that ultimately led to McCarthy. I think this is MM's one season with Gutekunst, Murphy's input not withstanding.

Your comparison to the Bart Starr teams of the 1980s is fair. His teams couldn't play defense.

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November 16, 2018 at 08:39 am

I am also a stockholder. Remember what happened after Lombardi left? The past greats couldn't win? Bad QBs, Poor Defense. Bad Coaching. History is repeating itself. The packers are in danger of returning to the days of digging a hole, they'll never get out of. Players want to play for winners. Be optimistic all you want. This team needs it's next All pro Qb. Arron Rodgers has lost Control!

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:10 am

At least Starr got the most out of their limited talent, high powered offense / no defense. Lynn Dickey was like a bionic man - all patched together. All world receivers, every game was an adventure but at least it was exciting. That is the most frustrating thing about this team. Multi generational QB and they can't or don't seem willing to go out to get the complimentary pieces, unlike what Ron Wolf did in the 90's. How many Packer teams under Holmgren looked this pathetic ? When they lost talent, they replaced it via free agency or the draft or trades - god forbid. Remember when all their receivers went down one year, they went and picked up Don Beebe & Andre Rison. Also picked up Keith Jackson to compliment Mark Chmura, picked up Desmond Howard from the Redskins scrap heap - turned out to be Super Bowl 31 MVP. What the hell has this team done to compliment Rodgers ? Picked up Jimmy Graham, total mis management. Still drawing a nice fat paycheck though. You realize what happens to management in the real world that this does this poor of a job - see ya later.

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November 16, 2018 at 09:30 am

Holmgram was in the booth last night.

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November 16, 2018 at 10:02 am

Ah for the Good Old Days ! I remember when Bill Schroeder committed a personal foul on a kick return and Holmgren grabbed him right by his face mask and read him the riot act. McCarthy looks like all the Seven Dwarfs put together on the sideline - comatose, through the never ending special team screw ups every game. You are the damn Head Coach at 7 Mil a year, own it man.

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November 16, 2018 at 11:18 am

"McCarthy looks like all the Seven Dwarfs put together on the sideline - comatose" - Now that is funny!!!

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November 16, 2018 at 07:58 am

You would think that mcchallange would have threw that little red flag on that catch. Green Bay had no answer for lockett. Anytime Wilson wanted to get him the ball he did. The defense was at it's best execution wise in the first half... And for the love of God if you can't figure out that Jones needs to touch the ball more in a game do you really deserve to be HC? Because even all of us couch GMs can see it needs to happen.. we run a West coast offense... It's three things.. run.. touchdown or checkdown.. and Rodgers is gonna gets some flak here too... He needs to start throwing that check down as soon as he makes his reads and doesn't pull the trigger on one of them.. he isn't the runner he once was.

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November 16, 2018 at 08:29 am

Is the quick slant not in the playbook anymore? Just throws to the edge that EVERY defense expects.

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November 16, 2018 at 10:04 am

We have seen the slants work o the red zone last week... It's like mm didn't carry anything that worked for this offense over from last week ..

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November 16, 2018 at 11:02 am

Of course they started having success in the passing game. I never heard of the db,s they had in there in the end.

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November 16, 2018 at 08:00 am

Rodgers has gotten old quick and he and McCarthy have lost it! Gutensek had better use a No 1 pick next year on a good QB because the window has closed on Rodgers and like I said before he got the big money he was declining and it happened faster that I thought! Thanksgiving so put the fork not only in the turkey but McCarthy and Rodgers also!

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November 16, 2018 at 09:18 am

We can bitch about ARod all we want, and whether we believe in #12 anymore or not, the bottom line is that he's not going anywhere anytime soon. They've hitched their wagon to him and he's going to be there for at least 3 more seasons. Nobody is going to deal for him...that's fantasy football talk.

If he's truly declining, then the onus is on player management to find ways to mitigate his faults over the next couple seasons by strengthening the supporting cast until his contract hits a point where a cut doesn't blow a crippling $80 or $60M hole in the cap and destroy any kind of true rebuild.

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Minniman's picture

November 16, 2018 at 01:46 pm

In summary, the 2018 Packers have become stale and predictable on offense and too banged up to counter this.

Personally I'm not buying that Rodgers is in decline of ability [yet] but he is becoming readable, and he's clearly playing more tentative due to injuries.

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November 16, 2018 at 07:52 pm

I mostly agree. It's important to provide Rodgers the support he needs as a battered, older qb. They really needed to improve the interior OL and find someone who can fill in as a tackle. They didn't exactly do that and the results speak for themselves. The front office could have prioritized protecting Rodgers, MM could call plays that make it easier for him and we all know Rodgers could help himself by playing smarter.

I don't think it's a given that the Packers will be burdened with Rodgers for the long term. It's possible that he hangs it up sooner rather than later if, for example, he decides he can't get more out of his arm than he is now.

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November 16, 2018 at 08:04 am

Rodgers said the teams needs a galvanizing moment. How about this. Have Murphy and BG fire Zook and McCarthy. Something needs to change in a league of what have you done for me now.

The team is undisciplined. Penalties and delay of game are just one the issues. The head coach calling the plays is not doing a good job. Special teams continue to make mistakes.

What do you do? Fire now or wait till another season is past. That is the decision for Murphy and BG

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November 16, 2018 at 08:33 am

PackerFan;
absolutely well said;

The team is undisciplined. Penalties and delay of game are just one the issues. The head coach calling the plays is not doing a good job. Special teams continue to make mistakes.

This really cost the game, calling back some big plays because of stupid penalties. The games are often won on 3-4 big plays that make the difference between 2 evenly matched teams. GB had those plays, but were called back due to penalties. Who was the idiot CB that ran right into the receiver for a 45 yard PI penalty. Who coaches the young man?

Why are Seattle receivers catching balls with no CB within 10 yards? That is obscene. Who coaches that backfield?

GB lost the game well before the 4:11 minute punt on 4th and 2.

The obvious thing a coach should see is the long holding times by Rodgers. Compare that to Brees and Brady who have the ball out in 3 seconds. The coach's solution should be quick slants/hooks and back shoulder passes that are prescripted. WTH. Give me a chance to coach, and I think I couldn't do worse.

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November 16, 2018 at 10:41 am

That defensive cb coach is actually a very good one... You can't make a decision for the players in the middle.of a play so there is that... All Raven Greene had to do was turn his head and look at the ball.

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November 16, 2018 at 09:20 am

LOL. I suppose firing MM/Zook would be an authentic moment - not sure if it would galvanize any players. It would galvanize me, but I think MM is galvanized with a coat of Teflon at 1265.

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November 16, 2018 at 08:04 am

Rodgers has not been the same since the surgery. He looks now just like he did against the Panthers last year. Something changed after the surgery and hes just not as accurate. We cant keep coming up with knee injury excuses and blah blah to make ourselves feel better. He barely throws with his feet on the ground anyways. I think we have seen the last of our elite status QB. My 2 cents.

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November 16, 2018 at 08:08 am

Rodgers protects the ball too much, he has to take some chances. His lack of trust in young guys is a detriment to the team. Frackrell is just another example of young guys not getting playing time under MM, Tonyan is the next. If Perry played, Frackrell's snaps would have been reduced. Aaron Jones, WTF he should get no less than 20 touches a game, this alone is grounds for MM firing. I can't watch this shit anymore, it's bad for my health.

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:31 am

"Frackrell is just another example of young guys not getting playing time under MM, "

Wow. Are we just completely disregarding how this guy looked when he was on the field for regular season games the last couple years? The tape is out there, folks. The bottom line is that something has changed for this guy, but in the past, he was not this player. Period. Tentative, slow to react, not physical, getting pushed around by WRs, couldn't set the edge. He was not good and even when others were getting hurt and he was getting on the field, he did nothing to merit extended play. He had career ST player written all over him.

I have freely admitted that I was someone who had thought Fackrell could be very good when they picked him, but the film from his play in GB until this season never supported it, and I gave up on him. Fackrell, I'm all but certain, is a product of Mike Pettine and the MP scheme.

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sonomaca's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:16 am

Pass rushers take time to develop. Fackrell has developed. I think it’s helping Matthews, as well. Good pick TT! Also, good pick on Aaron Jones and Kenny Clark.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:15 am

So now its MM,s fault that Frackrell wasn't being used ,but a few games back many people were blasting him for his poor play.

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November 16, 2018 at 12:17 pm

Takes players three years before the 'light' comes on. Speed of the game is always the single biggest factor in how long it take a player to become NFL ready. So lets give Pettine all the props here for understanding his players, but let also give Fackrell credit for working to upgrade his game to become the player we see out on the field today.

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November 16, 2018 at 08:13 am

I'm not normally one to call out a writer, but calling Rodgers not elite is moronic. He is missing some throws granted. But the coaching for the offense has been dreadful. Through 10 games he has 19 tds and 1 pic.... 1. Rodgers has already thrown for 3000 yards. Mike McCarthy needs to go

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:59 am

A lot like Stafford: big numbers for stats, not so big on wins. It is a team game though. AR isn't getting elite cap dollars at just $20.9M, and he is playing well enough to win against other pretty decent teams. That screams coaching and supporting cast. I suspect that AR is no longer in the same tier with Mahommes, Brees, Rivers, and maybe Goff, GB isn't built to win unless AR is really in the top 3.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:18 am

Rogers is still elite, but not making patient decisions. How can you blame MM for Rogers not taking what the D gives him.

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4zone's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:26 am

At what point do we take a look to see what we have for backup QBs?

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:22 am

OTAs.

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jhalwas611.com's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:26 am

I've been a fan of Tonyan's since the preseason. Was he on the field again after his catch? He was the only one who seemed to get free on a scramble drill! I feared they'd cut him in another botched personal decision as the did with Tayson Hill. MM falls in love with "project QB's" then never puts them on the field. Just frustration boiling over for many fans. Tonyan or Kendricks on the field. What's to loose? Dynamic running back with 11 touches. Same old same old.....

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Razer's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:33 am

I never think that officiating costs you the game and in this game we threw away way too many opportunities to blame anyone other than ourselves. BUT, the officiating in this game was bad. I am sure that Roger Goodell was happy with the product but longtime football fans can't be happy. Aside from challenged calls, these refs focused on a bunch of ticky-tacky calls that got in the way of "let them play".

If you are not going to call the PI of Wagner on Adams, then you should put your whistles away and let the guys slug it out. AND - I still don't know what a catch is. I think the refs were scared to make an unpopular call in the Seattle arena.

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mrtundra's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:27 am

I do think bad officiating costs you games. Look at the Fail Mary, Look at the Minnesota tie game, look at the field flipping calls that went Seattle's way in this game--the incompletion that was later ruled a catch, the no PI call on Adams' defender, the holding call negating our big kick return. There are plenty more of these calls, league wide, that have changed the outcome of the games they were called in.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:21 am

The whole league is like that, a flag after a good return is an expected occurrence. College games run smother.

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Pierre's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:47 am

The Packers D was playing their hearts out in the second half getting Seattle into three and outs 4 times in a row deep in their own territory. The Packers offense got the ball repeatedly after punts near midfield. Rodgers cost the Packers this game. Lot of yardage stats, yes, but ONLY 3 POINTS IN THE SECOND HALF IS PATHETIC!!! The Defense gave Rodgers and the offense so many good opportunities, it was mind boggling to watch the ineptitude of Rodgers missing open receivers or even running to convert 3rd downs in the 2nd half! Rodgers was just terrible converting 3rd downs with only 3-5 yards. He takes sacks rather than hit a check down option to get 5 yards and move the chains! So many opportunities blown when they were up 4 and he could not move the offense down to score points. He took sacks rather that throw a 5 yards pass for a first down. Jones was wide open on several and he would not pass the ball to him. This isn’t coaching as much as it is terrible QB play that won’t change for the Packers until they move on to another QB. For the record...Rodgers is now 38-42 on the road...which is not elite QB play. How frustrating to watch a game the Packers could have easily dominated if they had a QB who just concentrated on making plays to move the chains not get shutout on the second half.

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jlc1's picture

November 16, 2018 at 12:25 pm

yes indeed. How many short fields did the Hawks give the Pack? At least two, maybe three. How do you not score 30 points when the other team gives you that?

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nostradanus's picture

November 16, 2018 at 08:58 am

Big Bob Tonyan the "Secret Superstar" it looks like he is going to see a big increase in playing time the last six games.

Fackrell looks like a young CM III, I guess he is Clays replacement when they let him walk at years end.

Trevor Davis looked solid, I guess we've missed a real return guy.

Davante is unstoppable, he had his rough moments as a rookie and second year player, MVS & EQ will also have those ups and downs, but they are uber talented.

Aaron Jones was great in the first half, where was he in the second half? Oh yes; McCarthy is saving him for the playoffs haha!

The Defense? Um do they have any guys left? Brutal!

McCarthy wasting time outs? Hey don't need them anyway, except maybe when you need to challenge a dropped pass in a critical part of the game, oh yeah.

McCarthy punting away any chance of a comeback on 4th & 2 with 4:00 left, one timeout and a gassed and depleted Defense, yup.

McCarthy calling deep shots on third downs in the second half, 5 of those resulted in sacks. Great play calling Mike

Another heartbreaker (thats three in the last four games) another loss in Seattle, yup.

Thanks for the memories Big Mike but its time for a change.

Enjoy Cleveland

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mrtundra's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:13 am

Was Tonyan even on the field after his TD catch? I don't recall him playing a down after that.

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November 16, 2018 at 11:47 am

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BoCallahan's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:06 am

Seattle had a 3rd & 13 or 14 and it appeared that 52 lifted and drove Wilson into the ground. If he didn’t lift, at least he drove Wilson into the ground. I was surprised they didn’t call it. It would have given Seattle 15 free yards and a 1st down.

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GregManderfeld's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:32 am

I saw this too and thought a late flag was going to be thrown.

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:44 am

But he didn't get called...so what's your point?

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Since'61's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:08 am

Game Ball: Kyler Fackrell = putting Perry on IR and chucking Perry after the season. Take the cap hit!

This team is looking for their players for next season. Fackrell, Alexander, Brown(maybe), Tonyan, MVS and ESB.

Lame call: MM punting on 4th and 2. He should have run Jamaal Williams on the 3rd and 2 play and then went for it on 4th down if Jamaal didn't make it on 3rd.

Lame Call: Bad penalties erasing a 55 yard KO return, an 18 yard first down run by Jones and giving up a 48 yard PI to Seattle. If Green turns back to look for the ball he would have a pick, not to mention that Alexander would have broken up the pass if Green just stays out of the way.

Too many injuries during the game especially on defense but that is the stupidity of TNF.
Thanks, Since '61

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November 16, 2018 at 09:18 am

I agree with you on Green. He never looked for the ball but just ran into the Seattle WR. Hard not to call PI on that. I also agree that Green screwed up Jaire's defense on that play. I think Jaire had the play defended well until the runaway train called Green messed it up.

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:49 am

The ball was underthrown and it looked like Alexander would have a chance to undercut the WR. Not only could that have been a TO, but it could've been a big swing in score (didn't the Seahawks get a TD on that drive?). I think he hurt himself on that play, too.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:26 am

And if Williams got stuffed, we would be complaining that they should of ran Jones.

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Since'61's picture

November 16, 2018 at 04:04 pm

I wouldn't be complaining about running Jones but I would have gone for it on 4th down whether it was Jones or Williams who got stuffed on 3rd down. Thanks, Since '61

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fastmoving's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:19 am

first thing for AR should be to admit he played bad. but that was always not one of his strong sites. He rather points fingers and blames someone else.

if he is good, we call it cocky but he really has a little diva in him.

guess that what happens to older hall of fame QBs

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CAG123's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:19 am

The defense isn’t at the point where it can hold opponents to 17 points yet they have the coach and the scheme but they do have all the pieces they need the offense to be creative and flat out mash the gas when they have an early 14-3 lead and granted them an early TO we’ve seen this for 3 straight games now where the defense is getting stops and the offense stalls again and again allowing the other team to get back in the game. Also MM needs to take notes on how to apply a RB by committee because THATS how it’s done against that physical front no way Williams should have gotten just one damn carry and not going for it on 4th and 2 was just inexcusable that’s what separates MM from the Pederdons, McVays, Paytons, Reids and even Carrolls of the league the guy just doesn’t have it not will to win no guts just a lame duck Carroll went for it on 4th down in the first freaking quarter.

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CAG123's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:19 am

*dont

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blacke00's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:28 am

I'll acknowledge there is an issue with McCarthy and Rodgers. It's looking as though there is time for a change in the HC department.
But! the real issue here is the extremely inconsistent play of the OL. I'm I the only person that see this?
The rush blocking during the entire game was pathetic! which has been an issue in multiple games. Yes, there have been "exceptions" but look back when a couple of yards are really needed they don't get them.
Compare the time Tom Brady has and the time AR has...No comparison! If you really look you'll see what ai mean. Unfortunately, are watching the "skill" players not the OL.
This team will not improve until the OL play improves. No ifs, no ands or buts about it.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:31 am

One lineman in particular, Bell. There were at least a half dozen times when he was just standing there not blocking anyone. On that second power toss, he just stopped blocking instead of going down field and finding someone to block.

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Rick1's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:45 am

6-0 the rest of the way is NEVER happening a split with Chicago and Minnesota is a best case at best. This team hasn’t learned how to win and finish off opponents. After 10 games this team isn’t going to improve, it will beat bad teams and come up short against good teams.

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Ustabeayooper's picture

November 16, 2018 at 09:56 am

Let's face reality. AR skill set is on the decline. Even on the TD to AJ in the first half, it was a underthrown pass that the back had to make a good adjustment. He doesn't hit receivers in stride on long or crossing patterns anymore. He passes on check down passes to AJ. Did everyone notice on the last touchdown that it was 3 passes to AJ to the end zone.? After halftime it was never used again. The Packers can't depend on AR to bail them out anymore. The defense played well enough to win. The offense, despite having excellent field position the entire second half, choked. Different opponent, same story.

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Point-Packer's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:13 am

Remember when everybody including Ben Roethlisberger was saying the same thing about Big Ben last year? How'd that work out. Time will only tell if this is truly a decline or just a case of the yips, lingering injuries, age, some combination thereof. Brees went through a period when he was first in NOLA where his QB rating was dreadful and he was throwing upper teens in picks every year. Happens. Lets hold judgement, GB has done a great job doing that with MM.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:33 am

Jones was there open a few times in the second half , but MM whispered in his ear to look deep.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:34 am

I better LOL this or some might not get the sarcasm.

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Point-Packer's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:15 am

Another dreadful Special Teams performance. Why Ron Zook is still GB's special teams coach is beyond me. Apparently he can do everything short of streaking at halftime at Lambeau and still retain his job. That one's on Mike. But Oppy, find some excuse to defend the highly successful coaches decision on that one.

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:37 am

I must have been watching a different game. coverage , return, punting was solid

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Since'61's picture

November 16, 2018 at 04:07 pm

Yes, that penalty on the 55 yard KO return was very solid and stupid. Not to mention the solidly missed FG. Another Special Teams triumph. Thanks, Since '61

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Oppy's picture

November 16, 2018 at 02:51 pm

I don’t defend MM.
what I don’t do is absolve Rodgers blindly.

I see more and more packers fans are slowly starting to see Rodgers has some culpability in the team’s performance.

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BoCallahan's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:22 am

Kyler SACKrell has come to play!

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:30 am

Kyle Fackerall is 27 years old...already past his prime.

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Barazinho's picture

November 16, 2018 at 03:28 pm

Adults, in general, hit their physical peak at 27. If Fackrell had 5 years of wear and tear, maybe, but he doesn't - he's a spry young 27...

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:38 am

Plus last week 3 offense line starters were OUT and 2 of them were the LT and RT.

Fackerall is good against backups and it was already reported the Seahawks OL was not the same since Earl Thomas went on IR. Stop fantasizing. You should have got K.MACK.

MM does not know how to use our TE we could have been unstoppable on offense!

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Since'61's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:00 am

Earl Thomas is a Safety. How does his being on IR impact Seattle's OL?!!!
Fackrell played brilliantly last evening and nearly saved the game for the Packers by himself. Perry only has games like Fackrell's in his dreams, maybe. Thanks, Since '61

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BoCallahan's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:18 am

I don’t care if Fackrell is 27 or 37.
He is doing what others are not.
3 sacks
Near sack that should have been #4
Blew up Seattle’s attempt at a flee-flicker
Batted ball
And whatever else he did that I can’t remember
27 IS prime.

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November 16, 2018 at 11:19 am

Sackrell owned a good starting LT on his second sack - bullrushed him, and then once the LT was on his heels, shoved him to the side and was right on top of Wilson. That was really good power and technique, and he's generally only been good at the speed rush up to this point.

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Packers0808's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:25 am

How about Mason also again, he at least cost us a tie and overtime in this game. 2 games on him now and McCarthy and his stupid faith comments again! Hate to say but the McCarthy ship has sailed!

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Stic's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:27 am

Can anyonesay :
Minnesota Meltdown
Coming to a TV near you

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 16, 2018 at 10:29 am

ALL OF YOU FORGOT 4th and 1 against the Eagles in the NFC Championship game.

MIKE SHERMAN WUSSED OUT
and
NOW MM WUSSED 4th and 2!!

HILARIOUS!! PACKERS HAVE NO BALLS!!
Loss is more than well deserved!

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nostradanus's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:10 am

Here’s an interesting stat I heard on the Herd.
When Drew Brees signed his Mega contract the Saints went 7-9 three years in a row.

Now that their draft choices have matured and they can finally afford some key FA’s they have been Super Bowl contenders two years in a row.

The moral of the story:
THE PACKERS ARE REBUILDING!

They are just not telling you they are.

To enjoy the uptown ride sometimes you have to ride the downtown train for awhile.

Is McCarthy done? Most likely

Will the Packers contend next year? Probably not

Gute needs to nail this off-season! May be then we will see improvement and even a winning record.

Go Pack! Super Bowl 2021

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Since'61's picture

November 16, 2018 at 04:11 pm

I would say that sounds about right except that there won't be any season in 2021 when the owners lock out the players over the next CBA and the players don't give in.
Thanks, Since '61

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Katsuya89's picture

November 16, 2018 at 11:12 am

I've been saying it to people for a few years now, but the old Aaron of 2010 has been dead for years now.
He continues to put up good TD/Int ratio because he holds the ball for so long, and takes unnecessary sacks rather than throw to open receivers 5-10 yards down the field.
This has been going on for many years now, but fans didn't want to see it. Yet we see comparisons of Rodgers to Brady as GOAT! What a joke!!! The reason Brady wins championships is because he throws to the open guy every time. Something Rodgers refuses to do time and time again. Rodgers has all the talent in the world. But what good is talent, when you can't even get past your own greed and arrogance!

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PeteK's picture

November 16, 2018 at 12:05 pm

MM does deserve some blame in some games ,but to blame him for this lose is just looking for an easy scape goat. There were some minors misplays like in every game. However, this would have been a win with time to spare if we didn't have injuries to an already depleted D. I'm surprised it was this close. Rogers is still elite ,but it takes time to mesh with new receivers. If you remember Jennings, Nelson, and Jones took some time. Yet, it's puzzling why he ignores the underneath throws which keep the chains moving especially to a dynamic player like Jones.

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November 16, 2018 at 05:07 pm

"Rogers is still elite ,but it takes time to mesh with new receivers. If you remember Jennings, Nelson, and Jones took some time."

That phenomenon goes back to the Holmgren/Favre days. You can add Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Donald Driver and Javon Walker to the names you mentioned. Adams is now undoubtedly a stud WR (IMO) and it took him 3 years, too.

Maybe that's part of the problem. Maybe they need to devise an offense that doesn't require 2-3 yrs of familiarity between QB and pass catchers for things to really click. That's an unrealistic expectation in today's NFL.

The nature of the salary cap dictates every NFL team must get heavy contribution from guys on rookie contracts. And when that fails and you have to pay for a vet FA, he needs to be able to step right in and produce at a rate that matches the pay. If the current offense cannot make that work, maybe they need a new offense.

I just don't see such a radical transformation happening under MM.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 16, 2018 at 12:13 pm

Unfortunately, it may be time to trade Rogers. I don't like it, but all he does is throw the ball out of bounds.

Anyways, I'd keep Rogers for now.

MM definitely has to go.

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dobber's picture

November 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm

Fantasy football strikes again.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 16, 2018 at 04:25 pm

Right. Kizer would march the Pack to the SB. LOL!

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November 16, 2018 at 04:36 pm

The dysfunction of the Packers was captured late in the 4th qtr and the 3 & 2:

1. Most teams would jump at the chance to have a stud RB with a good run blocking O line is such situations. Too bad the Packers don't have one. Geez!

2. Pass into the dirt...4th and 2 and instead putting trust in a very good run game with a gassed, banged up D panting on the sidelines, MM calls a punt.

3. Put gets punted into the end zone. Ball on the 20.

4. Exhausted D back on the field. One timeout and 2 minute left. 4 plays by Seattle and victory formation.

Poor decisions. Playing not to lose. Soft. HC not knowing his team. Star QB failing at crunch time. STs hurting the team. D playing well enough to keep the Pack in games....but are getting wore down week after week. On the field for 70 plays last night. Packer O? Only 49.

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November 16, 2018 at 04:42 pm

Only 49? I certainly hope the O carried suitcases to the airport for the D!

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rstain99's picture

November 17, 2018 at 09:28 am

Living here in the Boston area longtime Packer fan I have to listen to all NE fans on sports shows newspapers. Pats 24-7 so painful. Although I don't like them I respect them, BB does not put up with the bs you produce or you are gone, Brady to his credit other than Gronk and Moss has never had the receivers that Rodgers has had. Rodgers for the past few years pack receivers can't get open he waits and waits then throws it OB. West coast offense is just not working anymore, he needs short throws to open receivers Brady makes those throws over the middle uses his backs out of backfield. Defenses are so far ahead of MM offense no imagination anymore Rodgers holds the ball way too long runs for his life then throws 57 yarder great throw problem is it was desperate. Typical packer offense, time for change. I do like the defense fully understand they will come around, next get rid of Strength and Conditioning coach, way too many injuries players just killing them stop drafting players whose college career checkered injuries. King is soft, perfect example 2nd rounder who can't stay on the field. Cobb sorry kind of soft cut him Perry too. I like young receivers and DB's good starting point. 2019 hopefully better new coach better attitude less injuries.

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