QB Brett Hundley's Word of the Day: Rhythm

Contrary to popular belief, Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Hundley's Monday night wasn't as horrific as some may make it seem.

Hundley completed 26 of his 38 passes for 245 yards along with a rushing touchdown in a loss in front of the Green Bay home crowd to the Detroit Lions. It was just the second time the Lions have won in Green Bay since 1991.

Amidst the dismal performance was Hundley's subtly efficient night. For a majority of the early portions of the game and later stages, at least.

It seemed as if coach Mike McCarthy had yet to instill full trust in Hundley, as a plethora of his passes were either behind the line of scrimmage or no more than five yards past it. 24, to be exact.

Perhaps the play designs were to help Hundley get into a rhythm early on, which could also be a major reason why the Packers abandoned the running game so early.

"Once we get into a rhythm and once we get going, we're moving the ball efficiently," Hundley said after Wednesday's practice. "Now, we just have to take that and make it points every time we do that."

With each start -- he's only made two so far -- Hundley continues to improve and McCarthy continues to play into his strengths. However, perhaps those strengths aren't exactly showing up on the play sheet as often as they should be.

The Packers ran one read-option with Hundley, and it came in the first quarter -- an eight-yard run for a first down -- and it was nowhere to be seen after. It was the same story against the New Orleans Saints prior to the bye week. Hundley was only utilized on one read-option call, and it's no secret that his legs are his biggest asset.

Yet, McCarthy seems to stray away from it.

The Packers were trailing by two touchdowns just over five minutes into the second quarter, which may have been McCarthy's reasoning for abandoning the run game against the Lions. Falling into a 14-0 hole with your backup quarterback is certainly a less than optimal situation to be in.

Rookie running backs Aaron Jones (5) and Jamaal Williams (1) combined for six carries while Ty Montgomery matched Jones' total of five. In total, the carousel of running backs in the Packers' backfield saw a total of 11 carries Monday night. The seemingly universal notion is that a potent rushing attack can open up even the worst of passing schemes.

But, for some reason, the Packers continued to let Hundley try and build confidence with his arm, but there weren't signs of that until Hundley began pushing the ball down the field in the fourth quarter. That was also when the Packers began running a hurry-up offense and pushing Hundley's tempo.

That's not to say Hundley was flawless. He missed a few throws and was skittish in the pocket for most of the game. When he was kept clean, he completed 24 of 30 passes for 240 yards with a 100.0 passer rating on the dot, according to Pro Football Focus.

However, when Hundley was forced to leave the pocket, he completed two of his eight pass attempts for a 39.6 passer rating.

"Typically, during no-huddle, it was good for us. I felt like that was a good rhythm we got going, and that's 100 percent taking what the defense is giving you," Hundley said. "That's a good package for us, and we can do both if need be."

Hundley noted that he's comfortable running the no-huddle offense, and given how well it worked against the Lions, the Packers may be able to carry that same concept into their game against the Chicago Bears on Sunday. A game that many call a "must-win" for Green Bay to stay alive at 4-4.

"This game is just like any game, the urgency to win is always high. But, at the same time, we can't self-implode and make more of what it is. This is football at the end of the day; we get another opportunity this week and we gotta go out and do what we do -- score points and win."

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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Lphill's picture

November 09, 2017 at 05:41 am

Had the defense forced some 3 and outs and put the ball back in Hundleys hands then it would have been a more competitive game , that was clear to everyone watching , the defense failed big time , can't blame Hundley , 250 yards passing with limited snaps is not bad. They will not fire Capers he will announce his retirement at the end of the season. Let's hope because that's the only positive that could come out of this season.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 09, 2017 at 08:30 am

"can't blame Hundley , 250 yards passing with limited snaps is not bad."

Sure you can blame Hundley every bit as much as you blame the stinky, failing defense. All you have to do is watch what the Packers do on offense when he plays. He put up 3 points through 3 quarters and padded his stats in garbage time. His QB rating entering the 4th Q was about 70, which is a number that indicates poor QB play. It was a classic case of Blake Bortles syndrome....making the stat line respectable with late production against a soft defense that only made for a lower margin of defeat.

It is not making excuses for the defense to asses that Hundley ain't getting it done either. It is possible that neither side of the ball is playing good enough. That is certainly what I have seen since Rodgers went down.

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The TKstinator's picture

November 09, 2017 at 05:53 am

Aaron Rodgers is removing any doubt that he is the league MVP.

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The TKstinator's picture

November 09, 2017 at 06:26 am

“Plethora”!!

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marpag1's picture

November 09, 2017 at 06:26 am

Hundley can get into his rhythm without Martellus Bennett, who has been cut. Apparently the Packers believe he failed to report a pre-existing injury.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 09, 2017 at 08:31 am

So much for TT being unwilling to admit a mistake.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 09, 2017 at 06:34 am

Good old run a successful play and never again the rest of the game MM. And we're going to establishthe run. 11 carries. 11! He's getting worse. It's a wonder we ever win with him and DC.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 09, 2017 at 06:30 am

I, um, disagree. To put it mildly. First link: this must be a touchdown to Nelson. HAS TO BE. Instead, BH takes a sack.

Second link: this needs to be a big play to Kendricks. Instead it's a, you guessed it, a sack. Horrible, horrible.

Third link: Someone needs to explain to BH that throwing to the open receiver 8 yards downfield is better than throwing to the open receiver who is behind the LOS and has a LB coming up to wallop the receiver.

Cheesehead only allows 3 links. The all-22 is brutal.

https://twitter.com/zachkruse2/status/928095876245057537

https://twitter.com/zachkruse2/status/928094909151809536/photo/1

https://twitter.com/zachkruse2/status/928100585018220544

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2017 at 06:46 am

TGR -

I have seen a lot of people talking about that first play to Nelson.
When you look at the still picture from behind him, it looks like he can't see where the safety is. My guess is he couldn't see where the safety is so he didn't pull the trigger. Which honestly, I would rather him not pull the trigger then to and have it intercepted.

The problem with plays like these is we don't know what his progressions are, or what the coaches are telling him to do.

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Spud Rapids's picture

November 09, 2017 at 10:51 am

"The problem with plays like these is we don't know what his progressions are"

More like the problem with these play is Hundley doesn't know what is progressions are...

All joking aside it's clear that Hundley isn't seeing the field. You hear all the time from announcers that the game has slowed down for successful QB's and if you look at Hundley's dancing around in the pocket it's evident the game is too fast for him right now. I think McCarthy needs to give him two reads and a check down. He can't run a system with an empty backfield. He mentally cannot process.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2017 at 01:33 pm

I think some of it too is he needs some confidence. Sometimes it takes 1-2 plays to really build a guys confidence. Hopefully that came at the end of the lions game. McCarthy said at the end of the game that they NEEDED that drive. I think they did for confidence. Sometimes you just need a spark. That might be the spark they need.

I agree though that the game hasn't slowed down for him. That only comes with experience on the field.

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marpag1's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:59 am

Hundley was awful. Don't know why people seem to want to defend him now.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2017 at 06:31 am

I thought Hundley looked better against the Lions then the Saints. And really that is what we need to see. Improve with each game.

And inside of the Lions game I thought he looked better as the game went on. I thought he was playing his best when he went into no huddle and played from the shotgun. He had 2 TD drives doing that. I thought he got into a rhythm and the offense looked its best it has since Hundley has taken over.

What I would like to see though is a little more balance from McCarthy. More runs. Jones is their best RB, and only giving him 5 carries is a shame. He should get at least 10 per game.
A mixed and balanced offense will help Hundley out as well. But Hundley seem to be his best in the shotgun and in the hurry up. So keep going with what works.

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The TKstinator's picture

November 09, 2017 at 06:45 am

Was 33 yanked for whiffing on a blitz pickup?

PS That would be a cool name for a truck: Blitz Pickup.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2017 at 06:49 am

I am not sure if he was or not.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 09, 2017 at 12:12 pm

Largely, TK. Jones played 12 of the first 14 snaps, IIRC, and very few after that whiff. Mind, GB had gotten down I think by 14 so that made it difficult to play a RB with questionable blocking skills.

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Nick Perry's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:04 am

No he didn't RC, not really. Hundleys "Stats" came when the game was pretty much decided. Even when the Packers scored to make it 20-10 you had to know it wasn't that close, not with the Packers defense. This guy is a mess. I doubt GB could even get a 7th round comp pick for him right now.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:12 am

I'm not talking about his stats. I'm talking about actually looking at the throws he made.

This throw to Cobb was a really good one. It wasn't just taking what the defense gave them.

https://twitter.com/zachkruse2/status/928319214334742528

In the 4th quarter he made is best throws going down field. He wasn't just taking check downs.

I din't say that the game was close. I just said that Hundley looked better, especially once they went into the No Huddle.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 09, 2017 at 12:20 pm

Very well, RC. I'll look for the still photo you alluded to in your reply to me above. This link is encouraging, especially if Cobb is the 2nd read as suggested. I will even stop writing that Hundley is the Bostic of QBs since you have a good track record in my opinion. Of course, there are some other knowledgeable people suggesting that the light could come for BH.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2017 at 01:28 pm

I thought this was a great throw to Cobb on the play. Probably one of this best throws. He threw it and hits Cobb in Stride. If he leads him anymore its likely intercepted. It was placed perfectly.
Everyone keeps talking about Hundley needing to throw the ball 20+ yards down field to get a big play. Well what about throwing 10 yards and having it turn into a 20+ yard play. Packers used to be great at it. Hit a WR in stride and let them run. We need more of that.

I see progress from Hundley. There are a lot of things he has to learn, but I see him progressing. Hopefully this week we see more of it.

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Finwiz's picture

November 09, 2017 at 12:31 pm

I saw the Cobb throw as a totally lucky play, nothing more.
Reference Taryn's comment about the "blind squirrel" find a nut.
I think it's highly unlikely Hundley can/will elevate his game, or the light bulb will go on, to the point where it will make a difference in this season.
As soon as they let him start throwing down field, I expect the INT's to follow. He's unimpressive.

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pacman's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:42 am

Garbage time drives don't count. The game was an embarrassment on all fronts.

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Nick Perry's picture

November 09, 2017 at 06:57 am

"Contrary to popular belief, Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Hundley's Monday night wasn't as horrific as some may make it seem."

Yes he was Zach, he really was THAT horrific. I don't really care about two stat building 4th quarter scores where the Lions defense was just trying to keep everything in front of them and in bounds to run out the clock. Cobb had that nice 46 yard catch. His other 4 receptions went for a total of 12 yards, TWELVE YARDS! I swear to God it felt most of his passes travel about 2 yards and the receiver ended up losing 1 yard half the time.

Watching the Packers offense right now is damn right painful. Watching those camera shots on the sideline of McCarthy, that look of bewilderment on his face is painful. The thought of Thompson and McCarthy possibly getting a pass for this season because of injuries? Now THAT'S Horrific!

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:29 am

So since you have a great eye for what is going on, maybe you can tell me. All of the passes that Hundley threw within 5 yards of the LOS, were they designed that way or was that Hundley taking the check down? What was his progressions on the plays. What is Hundley asked to do on each play?

McCarthy made the comment that Hundley was doing well and was doing exactly what was asked of him.

Hundley made 2 pretty good throws down the field during the game. The one to Hundley while maybe sligthly overthrown, it was a horrible attempt by Adams. Can't blame Hundley on that. Also the deep throw to Nelson probably would have been caught had he not been interfered with.

Besides those 2 throws, he made 2 really good throws to Cobb and Kendricks late in the game. Honestly those were his best throws that he has made.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 09, 2017 at 12:25 pm

There is no doubt the BH has physical tools, far more than Callahan, so we should give BH more time for the light to come on. Those were indeed 4 nice throws. Chicago's D is better than Detroit's. MM has to open up the book for this game.

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GBPDAN1's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:35 am

The offense has it's issues without AR, obviously, but that game could have been different if the Packers had a pass rush. One of the big moves in the off season is to build a solid pass rush.

A high draft pick would help this and so would giving a FA Clays 14M a year..... is Perry worth his big money? Maybe when healty? Or, was he a 1 year- contract year -wonder? I'm still baffled at the Lions 3rd and 4th string LTs handling our outside personal. Oh, and please remove Fackrell from the equation!

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freddisch's picture

November 09, 2017 at 08:50 am

A big move at the end of this season is getting rid of TT and DC. If GB does end up with a top10 draft choice, I don't want either of them involved based on past performance. If I am AR no way do I want to return this year and risk my remaining career and health based on what TT has provided in terms of supporting talent and the incompetence of DC

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Donster's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:38 am

I imagine that on Sunday Da Bears will stack the box with 7 or eight defenders, blitz a lot especially now with Bulaga out and Justin McCray may or may not play due to an ankle injury, and dare Hundley to beat them. It's up to MM to call the plays to take advantage of this, and the advantage of his WR's. Which he has not done since Rodgers was injured.

If this team loses to Da Bears and later to the Browns, especially the Browns, then the entire coaching staff, TT and Murphy should be shown the door. If the Pack lose all their remaining games, and get position for a early selection in the 1st round, and TT is still GM, the zombie will probably draft a long snapper.

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Since'61's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:49 am

I posted last week that the game needs to "slow down" for Hundley. That obviously hasn't happened yet.

Against the Lions the Packers first offensive drive look pretty crisp until they got into Lions territory. As we all know that drive was scripted and probably practiced all week. Hundley looked pretty confident during that drive. Then Hart flubbed the FG snap.

After that opening drive Hundley looked somewhat lost and then came all the short throws which were nothing but extended handoffs that the Lions were ready for.

I'm convinced that after their opening drives Rodgers is calling the plays at the LOS or going with the pass run option off of his post-snap read. MM may be sending in packages and/or formations but Rodgers is running the show and the starting five OL know how to provide enough support for AR to execute.

Hundley is no where near ready for that type of offensive approach. He gets the scripted drive down and after that it's be careful with the football and don't commit a turnover that will put us un a deeper hole.

That would be fine if our opponents did not know what was coming, which they do, and/or if we had a defense which could get off the field before allowing a score and get the ball back for the offense.

Hundley will improve, how fast, who knows? Given how poorly our defense has played over the last 6 quarters he may never have a chance to play with a lead or be close enough to make a difference in a game.

As of now our defense can't get a 3 and out and our offense is going 3 and out so Hundley is not getting much of a chance to even play never mind grow into the QB position.

Thanks, Since '61

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2017 at 08:43 am

Their first drive was really good. They had the ball for 15 plays and took over 7 minutes off the game clock. That was really good. What killed the drive was Hundley getting sacked on first down then had an incomplete pass on 2nd down, making it 3rd and 12. That first drive though which was scripted was very good. They ran multiple looks and used read option and used a lot of different looks.

The following drive they had 2 passes for -6 yards and made it 3rd and 16.
The next drive they got into 3rd and 9 and failed to convert.

The next drive right before half time was another pretty good drive. They got down to the 17 yard line.
I thought they took a timeout to early after a big gain of 18 yards with Montgomery. They got to the 35 yard line with 1:02 and took a timeout. I would have rather seen them get up there and call a play and save the timeout.

He led 2 possessions in the first half that should have added points. And 2 drives in the 4th quarter that ended in TD's.
McCarthy has to do a better job of play calling and designing the offense to fit Hundley. But Hundley also has to do a better job of seeing the field and not looking at the pass rush. Get the ball out on time will help.

I think first down is key for Hundley. They need to get positive yards on first down. They aren't capable of making a 3rd and long play right now.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 09, 2017 at 09:03 am

For better or worse (I say worse) the NFL is a quarterback league. It's why the value of DBs have shot up. (Every time i see Hyde in a Bills uniform I wince :) Losing your QB1 changes the entire nature of your football team. More so than in 2013. Monday night it wasn't that the Packers defense was that bad. It was that Stafford was that good. We fans tend to forget that he is an elite level QB too. Packers and we fans are seeing how the other half live, and it ain't pretty.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 09, 2017 at 09:12 am

Knew I forgot something. (not enough coffee) MM has said last year that Rodgers is calling the plays from the line based on the packages the OC (Bennett) designs and MM sends out that week. Or what they run from no huddle. We fans tend to forget just how good Rodgers really is. Hell of a wake up call.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2017 at 09:31 am

Honestly this team is built around Rodgers. He is the equivalent to the sun in our solar system. Everything revolves around him.

To be honest, Rodgers should be the MVP.

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Razer's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:55 am

Let's face it, Aaron Rodgers makes this predictable scheme go. The Vikings, Lions and Bears have and will dictate what Hundley will be 'given'. MM and Hundley should be able to exploit defenses NOT laying down on the cliche "it is what the defense was giving us". We have a full compliment of healthy WR's, a bunch of RB's and a zany group of TE's. TAKE something!

John Fox and the Bears defense will totally befuddle this offense come Sunday. Hundley will be asked to walk through a bunch of progressions that both sides know then dump off to what is given.

We'll never know if Hundley can play in this league because he'll be asked to make MM threadbare system work. And, despite actually having a RB we'll not know how to run to open up the passing game. It is like the movie Groundhog Day.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 09, 2017 at 08:00 am

Hundley's no savior, but he isn't the problem. McCapers is the problem.

Against the Lions, the game plan couldn't have been worse.

Everyone knew the Lions were going to press cover and pack the line of scrimmage. Everyone knew early running plays and short passes were the worst possible attack against that defense. Everyone knew the intermediate passing game was going to be key.

Everyone except McCapers, that is.

Please, Green Bay, get new coaches. McCapers must go. Now.

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Razer's picture

November 09, 2017 at 07:59 am

PS. When do we get to unload our frustration on the Martellus Bennett debacle? Have we become the Vikings all of a sudden?

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

November 09, 2017 at 08:03 am

I already did. I'm thrilled he's gone. Dude was unfocused, with lazy routes, shaky hands, and stupid mistakes. For Martellus, his activism meant more than focusing on his craft.

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Tarynfor12's picture

November 09, 2017 at 08:22 am

The only rhythm Hundley has is in his gum chewing and what the opponents defense allows him to have......likely the opening drive and the prevent defense at the end....which could start mid third quarter due to 3 and outs and our defense.

As for running more read options......please....I can see the holding penalties alone negating most or Hundley joining Rodgers on IR.

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EdsLaces's picture

November 09, 2017 at 08:24 am

I hate to chime in cause I can't help but feel negatively about this team. I will say this however, that throw to Cobb was absolutely amazing. Having said that, we are still gonna lose this week and probably every week after . Not just because of Hundley,but because we are playin uninspired football on offense and defense both. Hell even special teams.

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Tarynfor12's picture

November 09, 2017 at 09:13 am

" that throw to Cobb was absolutely amazing "

Even blind squirrels find a nut but they fade away because one nut or play simply isn't enough to sustain life.
But at some time in a game we will hear the infamous line..." Only he could make that throw! " and all will be fine for some as they got to cheer a play.

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EdsLaces's picture

November 09, 2017 at 10:26 am

You found a way to make my negativity even more negative. Congrats .

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Tarynfor12's picture

November 09, 2017 at 10:43 am

I work constantly on my tackling,pad level,seeing the field etc,etc,etc.

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Curry Rambeau's picture

November 09, 2017 at 11:54 am

Yup. Remember when Matt Flynn threw 6 td passes, got a contract with Seattle, then bounced around and faded away. The Packers defense sucked then too. Hundley’ has inherited a demoralized team.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 09, 2017 at 09:23 am

Good post Zach. This is where the CBA/short training camps bites teams in the behind. In a QB driven league, there is no time to get your backups ready to play the position. Every team is one play away from disaster if your QB1 goes down. More so for the top teams giving the way the draft works. Just another example of the owners choosing short term profit over long term health of the league.

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November 09, 2017 at 09:23 am

Hundley is not it... Said by Cris Carter not me... come on, he looked lost out there. he was afraid to throw the ball. When he threw, most passess were wabling ducks that could have been intercepted 50/50. no pocket awareness. If MM is calling those 2-3 yard passess is because he knows Brett can not throw downfield. Last quaarter of the game down 14 the opposing defense goes into prevent mode. Name which starting QB's are worst than Hundley right now... Josh McCown plays better than Hundley right now.

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al bundy's picture

November 09, 2017 at 10:27 am

I'm not as concerned about his arm as I am what's between the ears.
Years ago the Vikes had a promising guy in Travaris J. He had all the tools, could run, hand off, pass, all the tools except one: coulld not read a d for his life. Just wasnt in the cards. Mr Interception. Ditto Geno Smith. All the tools but one.
Knowing nothing about Hundley other that he played at UCLA, I saw a guy dropping back looking for the perfect throw, being confused by the d and taking sacks or throwing the ball away. I did know that this was his forte in college: lots of interceptions and took a lot of sacks holding onto the ball.
Either he over comes this soon, or we all will know a lot more about Mr Hundley. I'm waiting.

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Tarynfor12's picture

November 09, 2017 at 10:57 am

The lack of QB's being unable to read a defense and compensate by running to get somewhere are like the idiots that wore their pants below their asses and tried to run thinking they could get somewhere and away from their chasers. Both will pay the price for stupidity.

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al bundy's picture

November 09, 2017 at 12:57 pm

You got that right. How in the hell do they get drafted and go un noticed?
I'm dead serious, when I heard Geno Smith was going to the Jets, I knew diddly about him but saw a picture on him on line and thought, wow I hope this guy who looked dopey, wast another Travaris J. He was.

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November 09, 2017 at 12:57 pm

You got that right. How in the hell do they get drafted and go un noticed?
I'm dead serious, when I heard Geno Smith was going to the Jets, I knew diddly about him but saw a picture on him on line and thought, wow I hope this guy who looked dopey, wast another Travaris J. He was.

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November 09, 2017 at 01:35 pm

it really should not be so hard to tell the difference between a QB improving from the first half to the second (allegedly) and a team going prevent D which is fact

the bears may still suck but BH is going to be paying the tab, there was no improvement, the bears will be at home with years of backed up payback and a better D than detroit.

we will see BH's improvement shortly

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November 09, 2017 at 04:51 pm

Everything on the packers sucks...TT.. mcarthy. .Capers. .off ..def... special teams. M.Bennett piece of crap. ..to radio people ssid

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