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#PackersDaily: Yes, until they prove otherwise, the Packers are a bad team

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#PackersDaily: Yes, until they prove otherwise, the Packers are a bad team

Earlier this afternoon, I held my daily Packers chat over on our YouTube channel. You can catch the replay below.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

the Packers are not a bad team....they were poorly coached.....mccarthy was a doofus.....MLF will right this ship.....watch and learn.....

sam1's picture

Just curious prove what you say or is that conjecture?

Hawg Hanner's picture

There were three things wrong, first spotty player quality caused by Ted Thompson's decline the last three years of his tenure, secondly was the stale offensive scheme of McCarthy and thirdly was the horrible mess in special teams. Seriously, how could Ron Zook ever expect to get another coordinator job?

Old School's picture

Technically, we were slightly below average last year. This year, we're 0-0, just like everybody else.

A bounce of the ball, an official's call, and a knee in the end zone could have made us 9-7.

Coach JV's picture

Yup... 0-0 just like everyone else.
We have as good a chance as anybody... and nobody knows yet how good we'll be. Lot's of changes. it can be good!

jannes bjornson's picture

They have moved on from some of the deadbeats with bad attitudes and the scrubs. Now, let Gutekunst do his thing. It all starts with protecting the QB. Get him an OT, slot WR and RB that can move the chains.

Coach JV's picture

We already have two RB's who can move the chains... one in big chunks at a time, every time.

Citizen AJ's picture

Slightly below average ? OK . As far as the bounce of the ball thing goes 90% of the losing teams in the NFL could use the same excuse . Fact of the matter is they were a bad football team that hopefully will improve this year . But don't order your Super Bowl tickets quite yet .

PAPackerbacker's picture

I don't think Green Bay was a bad a team as much as they were a badly managed team. Injuries were a major factor to the Packers last season. And bad management was responsible for their share of the teams losses as well. Hopefully the changes made to correct the problems will result in putting Green Bay back on the winning track and a good draft will increase their chances of a successful return to the post season.

Coach JV's picture

Green Bay isn't a bad team... just bad by our own standards. We will pick it up this year.

jannes bjornson's picture

Name the All Pros. This team has been getting by on the QB's exceptional talent. Now get some people that can make plays on both sides of the ball.

crayzpackfan's picture

A bad team? That’s a small bit of hyperbole. They have a QB that’s elite. They’ve plugged a lot of holes on defense. They’ve replaced stagnant, unimaginative coaches. They have a ton of draft picks. They have some young talent that DOES need to prove themselves but a few of them are trending upwards. They’ve suffered a lot of injuries and have lost development because of that, but still have some talent there to work with. Prior to free agency this year, defense was a liability (for several years), but like I said, they’ve really addressed that. Is their talent a Super Bowl lock? Hell no!! Are they a bad team? Jesus Christ no!! They definitely have question marks (new coaches, young players, new players, and so on), but even on paper, right now today, with Rodgers and what they’ve done in the offseason, this is definitely not a bad team. Not even close.

SpurgeonsCigar's picture

No need to use Jesus Christ's name like that.

crayzpackfan's picture

Sorry. Always hard to know who gets triggered over absolutely nothing on the Internet.

egbertsouse's picture

Blasphemer! Everyone know that Jesus is a Cowboys fan. Just ask Jerry.

Majik-Man_89's picture

Keep in mind, the Saints endured three 7-9 seasons in a row (2014, 2015, 2016) before their latest 2-year run of success. The Packers can bounce back too. The Pack
badly needed new blood on the roster and a new coaching philosophy, both of which they're getting.

Pierre's picture

The Packers are a below average team however their defense looks to be improved with the free agents signed. The offense and team can bounce back only if Aaron Rodgers shows that he can play QB with a lot more decisiveness and accuracy throwing the ball downfield as he was unable to do this last season.

Are his better years behind him already? We shall see this year as MM is no longer around as an excuse for Rodgers less than stellar QB play. Right now, the only thing positively elite about Aaron Rodgers is the level of salary that the Packers are paying him. If he cannot out play Cousins and Trubinski this season, the Packers are in deep trouble going forward with all the salary they have tied up in him.

John30856's picture

Silly comment sheesh

John30856's picture

So in your professional opinion we should not have given him a contract?

Pierre's picture

No, I do not think the Packers should have extended his contract based on his body of work playing the QB position last year. They could have waited to see if he is able to get back to an elite level of play. Right now...that is questionable to any objective evaluation watching Rodgers play last season. Packers are definitely not getting their moneys worth at the QB position. Can Rodgers turn it around?...sure he can...but will he?...time will tell this season in the Packers “win-loss” record and if they make the playoffs.

Since '61's picture

First, the Packers extended Rodgers contract before the season began.
Second, Rodgers played injured for much of the season, his offensive line was bad allowing 49 sacks and over 100 QB hits, his receiving corps was poor after Davante Adams, his TE was slow enough that Gilbert Brown could easily cover him, there was not much of a running game to speak of, and his defense allowed 24+ points per game.

His throwaways were often the result of running for his life and WRs who did not know how to get open and a much less than mercurial TE. He has taken criticism for not throwing into tight windows as he has in the past. However, give Rodgers credit for knowing that if his receivers did not make the catch the pass had a high % to be picked which would put his defense back on the field and he realized that his defense was not good enough to get off the field until they allowed a score. Rodgers only 2 picks all season came off of Graham's hands.

Most importantly he was playing on a 6-9-1 team and he was our best player by a long shot. Your posts indicate an expectation of Rodgers to carry the team through everything and to win every game by himself regardless of the ineptitude of his supporting cast.. It that case Rodgers should get the entire salary cap and we should not pay the rest of the team at all. As I have often posted on this site, if everyone else on the roster played as well as Aaron Rodgers, even in 2018, we would be undefeated SB champions. Regretably, no one of the rosters is even close to Rodgers level of play.

Let Rodgers play out his contract, if he survives, before we determine if he should have been resigned or not.
Thanks, Since '61

Pierre's picture

It’s meaningless to highlight a stat of only two interceptions when you are throwing the ball out of bounds at the highest level of all NFL QBs...rather than throwing to a receiver and letting him make a play downfield. What counts is wins, playoffs and SBs...not playing to “avoid interceptions”. (ie. Brady)

Packers aren’t paying Rodgers millions to chuck the ball out of bounds every 5-6th play!!! It’s rookie level QB play that exasperating to watch. That’s not what one should expect from a QB getting paid 33 mil per season.

Rodgers has got to play the QB position a lot better this season for the Packers to get back into the playoffs. One should at least try to be realistic and objectively look at Rodgers performance, and stop with the all the excuses for his declining play because each teams’ level of success is primarily tied to how good their QB moves the offense for TDs and wins.

Since '61's picture

Ok, let's blame it all on Rodgers and not worry about the rest of the team.
After you have actually watched a few NFL games come back and try again. But thanks for playing. Since ' 61

Spock's picture

Pierre, I highly recommend you go back and see the Andy Herman's article and break down of all the "throwaways" from Rodgers last year. I came away from that analysis feeling much, much, better about the perceived issues with Rodgers. Andy always does a fabulous job of explaining through actual game film why things went the way they did. I came away with a different view point then my perceived idea on Rodgers' performances. QB1 will be just fine this year. I am confident on that!

Since '61's picture

Spock IIRC that article was in late January or early February. Thanks, Since ‘61

IceBowl's picture

Pierre,

Broken leg!

Freezn's picture

Even us frozen packer fans north of the 60th parallel think that after the draft the Packers will be a team that will be very difficult to play against. Offenses will have a lot harder time keeping their own QBs upright as Mike will have a lot of talent to send from all different directions

Littlejim51's picture

Picking at 12 is complicated. GB has multiple needs on defense. The 2019 draft offers a multitude of options
Which single player is best suited to provide the depth at LB/Edge Rusher/Defense Line
(Assuming these choices are available at 12)
Oliver,Bernes or the two Devins

Littlejim51's picture

Picking at 12 is complicated. GB has multiple needs on defense. The 2019 draft offers a multitude of options
Which single player is best suited to provide the depth at LB/Edge Rusher/Defense Line
(Assuming these choices are available at 12)
Oliver,Bernes or the two Devins

sonomaca's picture

Devin White will be gone. The Packers situation at inside linebacker is desperate, with Martinez likely to move after this year and Burks a big question. It has to be Bush (and will be if Burns is gone).

sonomaca's picture

Here’s a thought experiment. Replace McCarthy and his staff of deplorables with McVay or Belichick. What would the Packers record have been?

I’m guessing you can add at least 3 wins.

Handsback's picture

Packers have a LOFT problem. Need a good draft this year and hope the young wideouts improve so the LOFT problem is minimized.

Freezn's picture

I believe we will get a good o lineman and Aron will have a lot more time to pick apart defenses

Since '61's picture

I would say that they have been an inconsistent team rather than a bad team. Since opening the 2015 season at 6-0 the Packers regular season record is 27 -30 and that includes an amazing 6-0 run at the end of 2016 led by Rodgers after starting 4-6.
We should remember that the Packers went 3-7 without Aaron Rodgers in 2017 after starting 4-1. If Rodgers remains healthy we may have reached the playoffs in 2017.

Now we have a new GM and HC. Bottom line is that we still need better players but Gute is working on it. Big draft coming up. Thanks, Since '61

egbertsouse's picture

I would agree that they are a bad team until they prove otherwise. 7-9 and 6-9-1 in the last 2 seasons doesn’t sound like a good team to me.

Rossonero's picture

I'm surprised Nagler said this. Aside the finale vs. Detroit, it's not like this team was getting blown out of games.

With the free agency acquisitions and then the draft, we've seen that teams can turn things around dramatically year-to-year.

I am especially optimistic since we have a new coach and a GM who went out FINALLY spent some $$ rather than sitting on them. Had it been a typical off-season and Ted signed a few scrubs, we'd basically be relying on a bunch of 21 and 22 year-old kids (rookies) to catapult us to the Super Bowl, and great rookie play alone is just unrealistic.

MarkinMadison's picture

We all assume MLF will make this team better. We have no clue. What if he actually sucks? He's in over his head? It takes a year or two for the players to adapt to his system? I mean, I HOPE that all of that is just BS. I WANT all of that to be BS. But there is a lot work to be done between now and September.

Jonathan Spader's picture

The hope is that with a simpler system our young WRs will take a jump. The reality us that the team will go as far as Rodgers will take them. The same way it's been for the past 10 years. With an improved defense hopefully some of that burden will be off of Rodgers' shoulders.

jannes bjornson's picture

Players , not plays. Get the talent. Move 2020 picks into the second rd for additional shots at the board. Gutekunst still has six voids to fill on that team.

Citizen AJ's picture

Mark don't feel guilty for being a realist, that's a good trait more Packer fans could use .

ILPackerBacker's picture

It is just amazing that a cheese brain can just go off on every part of the team being, for TWO YEARS no less but that same guy talks about the best OL in football, one of the best WRs and the great talent two deep at rb.

It's almost like he doesn't listen to himself

after nine minutes it seems like good advice

D Ernie's picture

My two cents. When the season ended I posted that these team had a lot of deadwood they needed to get rid of aka Perry Mathews others. They did that. Thus, I think the team actually improved with new acquisitions etc.
Yes that means nothing until they suit up and show us what they got but I see a silver lining as in, it couldnt have gotten any worse.

IceBowl's picture

As Since '61 says, it is not on Arod only. This team's success comes from ALL at 1265. MLF won't win if the players don't commit. The players won't win if the coaches (seems like 50) don't commit.

IceBowl's picture

Money whine - ers.

This crying about someone else getting rich besides you is old and trite. Boo whoo, he is making millions and I am on unemployment. Boo whoo, that is not fair.

Stop it. Like it or not, all these people are getting paid "market value" for their talent. Your unemployment check is determined by your market value. Kid Rock's pay is determined on his market value. Envy is not becoming.

None of them are worth it in my opinion, but my opinion has nothing to do with market value.

Get over it

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