#PackersDaily: Winning ugly is back
Aaron chats with Packers fans worldwide the morning after the Packers lackluster win over the Jaguars.
By PackerAaron
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Comments (33)
Lphill
November 16, 2020 at 09:55 am
Nobody will ever take the Packers defense in fantasy football.
LayingTheLawe
November 16, 2020 at 10:23 am
a turnover, 3 sacks and 20 points given up. they scored 8 points in my scoring format. Against Chicago and Philly they will be a good choice.
SpikeHyzer
November 16, 2020 at 03:01 pm
The D was brilliant.
The ONLY good drive by the Jags was the first that resulted in the FG.
Rodgers' INT gave the Jags a 13 yard field and the other TD was on special teams.
The D was actually near perfect, only giving up 2 FGs.
lawatrain
November 16, 2020 at 04:58 pm
Geez! It was a warm weather team with one win playing on road. That pack acted like the didn’t want to be there and on top of that the play calling was horrible. What a poor showing.
TarynsEyes
November 16, 2020 at 10:22 am
A win is a win, right?
Until the playoffs when it likely won't be.
SpikeHyzer
November 16, 2020 at 03:02 pm
The D only gave up 2 FGs and only one good drive (and that was only 43 yards).
Rodgers and special teams gave up the TDs (I for one won't put a 13 yard scoring drive on any defense that has just suffered a QB mistake).
LayingTheLawe
November 16, 2020 at 10:38 am
I am not one who proscribes to the idea that one week tells you very much about the next week in the NFL. Every team has up and down weeks. Pittsburgh struggles to beat Dallas to remain undefeated. The Buccaneers lose by 35 in the middle of 4 wins. The Chiefs lose to the Raiders at home. Saints win 6 straight after losing to the Packers.
Do they need to play better in the future? Most assuredly. But I have always felt ugly wins should be celebrated because you had a bad day and won anyway. How do you get to 13 - 3? You win a few on bad days.
I would rather be encouraged by the D getting the job done. With special teams scores and short fields they only gave up 20 points. And made the big stops at the end. Progress. They have averaged giving up 21 points per game over the last 4. Are the offenses going forward better? Definitely. But they can win some games doing what they have since the Bucs game.
TarynsEyes
November 16, 2020 at 11:28 am
One RB (Robinson) nearly took this team down for a loss, and if a slightly more experienced QB (Minschew) had been at the helm, this game would have been a loss.
Yes, one week to the next might not tell much about a team, but in the case against GB it seems pretty clear, a good run attack will put GB on their heels and an average QB can finish them off. This is not a week-to-week problem because of the opponents weekly haven't got the run game needed, but as is often mentioned, the run game is a winter and playoff necessity and the GB defense has proved constantly it cannot take away the run from even the bottom-feeder teams with a solid RB, and those wins will aid the playoff seeding, but will mean nothing unless the defense can't stop the run, and run they will in the playoffs.
SpikeHyzer
November 16, 2020 at 03:06 pm
Minshew is terrible and Luton might become their guy. I feel they should trade Minshew now, while he has value, just like that Pack did with that one game wonder (I can't even remember his name!).
The D only gave up 2 FGs and the longest drive was 43 yards for a FG. BOTH TDs were on the Packer Special Teams and Rodgers respectively (you can't blame a D for allowing a 13 yard drive that was the fault of your QB).
JonathanSpader
November 16, 2020 at 03:38 pm
Matt Flynn
TarynsEyes
November 16, 2020 at 03:57 pm
Luton may very well be their next QB and better than Minschew, but I said a more experienced QB would have won the game for Jac, and that is what Minschew would have brought, as it seemed clear the game was very winnable with the lesser experienced QB.
You also forget that not one but two Jac TD's were called back and GB got a huge break with that bs PI 34 yard by Miles Jack on Tonyan, though GB failed to capitalize.
There is no denying it, Jac exposed GB again on both sides of the ball. That's why it was an 'ugly' win and could, perhaps should have been an uglier loss.
PS.
Both teams played under the same weather conditions, so don't even bring that up, and Rodgers has the vast experience in such over a two game starter.
Coldworld
November 16, 2020 at 05:43 pm
I have to agree. Stopping that team isn’t something to be proud of or to base optimism on against a good team. You can only beat your opponent but that doesn’t mean every victory should give a sense of well being.
Alberta_Packer
November 16, 2020 at 12:31 pm
Two conclusions from the game:
1. A.R. looks to be a fair weather quarterback. He seems to enjoy playing less when confronted by the cold, wind, snow etc. And if he's 'off' - the offense is going to be 'off.'
2. How long has it been since the team has had a dominant defense? Years? Yes we can talk about specific personnel, especially the d-line, but being average/sub-average for this long is essentially a design-build problem. Simply the blueprint is obsolete/flawed. For instance the signing of Preston Smith. It seems he is strictly a north-south player - with little or no lateral mobility - which is essential in stopping the run. Same with Lowry who get's "washed" more than a surgeon's hands. So what have teams been doing (with much success)? Run at P. Smith and Lowry and double-team K.C.
Many have said that the team, especially the D is "soft." My opinion is that they appear soft because they are not athletic or fast enough - especially the front 7. So the team will make the playoffs and just hope that game(s) are not outdoors on a cold wind-swept field - facing a team that likes to run the ball. After that, in the off-season, it's all on Gutekunst and a better blueprint.
13TimeChamps
November 16, 2020 at 02:02 pm
"He seems to enjoy playing less when confronted by the cold, wind, snow etc."
Pretty much sums up every QB in the league, wouldn't you say?
Alberta_Packer
November 16, 2020 at 02:26 pm
Except Packers play more cold weather games than any other teams. Yes, there are few, if any, QBs who like to play in the cold and snow. My point is that it is possible to be a superior cold weather QB, even if its not enjoyable. And A.R. has proven over the years to be just a superior fair weather QB. My question then is are the Packers really a superior cold weather team? Perhaps not.
13TimeChamps
November 16, 2020 at 02:53 pm
Rodger's record in December at HOME is 19-3, with 48 TDs/5 INTs and a QB rating of 111.9. So much for being a "fair weather" QB.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/what-is-aaron-rodgers-record-at-home-in...
Alberta_Packer
November 16, 2020 at 04:56 pm
Not all the December games were cold/windy/snowy. Additionally, past records do not necessarily determine future results. So far this season, A.R.s record in adverse conditions is a loss to a bad Vikings team and a near loss to an even worse Jaguars team - which is a more current and realistic assessment than old data.
13TimeChamps
November 16, 2020 at 08:27 pm
Ok...you win...I guess.19-3 Lol
Alberta_Packer
November 16, 2020 at 11:42 pm
I just prefer to not look ahead through the rear view mirror.
DanL
November 17, 2020 at 09:34 am
Looks to me that your entire premise was looking in the rear view mirror and when faced with real data you have narrowed your vision to 2 games. It still stings to get beat at home by the Vikings. The Bears still suck.
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2020 at 05:28 pm
Perhaps you can explain how pre-2020 teams and results are relevant to this year?
SpikeHyzer
November 16, 2020 at 03:09 pm
Yet the D only gave up 2 FGs and a long drive of 43 yards.
You can't blame them for either Rodgers' mistake (and a 13 yard field for the Jags) or the punt return.
They dominated, aside from the yards Robinson got, but they stopped them many times on 3rd down.
EVERYONE is playing soft right now if they have 5 or more wins. The poor teams, like the Jags, are playing hard. The good teams want to stay healthy for the play offs (which is why the Pack also left some guys on the sidelines that they could have activated).
They knew they could win with 1/3 of the team being the JV.
Coldworld
November 16, 2020 at 06:25 pm
Honestly, I don’t think it’s got anything to do with the cold. I think it has to do with the gusty wind, up to 50 miles an hour. I don’t think it’s novel to say that QBs have long described wind as the mist difficult factor. To come out of that game with 300 plus yards and a 108 passer rating is worthy of praise.
pacman
November 16, 2020 at 02:02 pm
The problem is that this has was not an isolated incident. This is all on the coaches.
And as far as the defense goes, the bend but don't break mentality leads right into this.
SpikeHyzer
November 16, 2020 at 03:10 pm
I didn't see a coach miss a single tackle, but ok.
lawatrain
November 16, 2020 at 05:03 pm
The coach called a piss poor game and failed to motivate against a warm weather team with one win.
Lare
November 16, 2020 at 03:37 pm
IMO, the Packers are soft.
Soft doesn't win the Super Bowl.
Bear
November 16, 2020 at 05:54 pm
So sad when we live in such a negative world. You would think we were 2-7.
TarynsEyes
November 16, 2020 at 06:44 pm
When you only have one SB since the 2010 season with a QB of Rodgers caliber, and continue to not win an SB, does it matter if you were 13-3 or 3-13? It does not. Both are watching others play in Feb.
Fans are cheering just as loud for the losers of the league, and we use to hear it when there were fans at games.
DanL
November 16, 2020 at 10:16 pm
1 thing for certain is The Bears still Suck
veteranviewer
November 16, 2020 at 10:37 pm
Nagler becoming an apologist for bad Packers play? Maybe your'e trying for Spofford's Job. Make J. K. Scott linebacker.
veteranviewer
November 16, 2020 at 10:41 pm
Bad news Packers.
mrtundra
November 17, 2020 at 08:42 am
What eats at me is the lack of pride shown and that lack of preparedness shown, for any game, when we play in Lambeau Field. They let opposing players do Lambeau leaps! I'd rip them off that wall, if I were a defender wearing Green and Gold. Poor play at home, in the cold, is inexcusable! We have a natural advantage in the late Fall and into Winter in Lambeau Field and especially so, when we play warm weather teams with losing records! C'Mon Packers! Defend Lambeau! Show some pride! Get fired up!