#PackersDaily: Now that we found love what are we gonna do

With Jordan Love taking over the starting quarterback role in Green Bay how does the offensive approach change? Does it? Aaron Nagler chats about that and all things Green and Gold with Packers fans worldwide.

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mbpacker's picture

March 27, 2023 at 04:31 pm

Love will keep us together if he wins.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

March 28, 2023 at 01:42 am

"Now that we found love what are we gonna do?"

Just based on hard facts, I would think we are going to experience a lot of losing.

I am a die hard Packer fan since the days of Starr and I will be following and watching and cheering every game as I have for nearly 60 years and I have seen a lot, including 21 of 23 years without the Packers in the playoffs from 1968 through 1991, so I have a lot of experience to draw from.

The last 4 seasons the Packers were 13-3, 13-3, and 13-4 and 3-1 when Aaron injured his thumb.

Just a year ago the Packers were coming off of 2 seasons where Aaron not only won 2 MVPs but led the entire NFL in Passer Rating, which as you know measures 4 variables - 1) Touchdown passes per pass attempt, 2) completion percentage, 3) yards per pass attempt and 4) interception percentage. Aaron's passer rating after 4 games last year was 97.5% which would have placed him 8th out of 32 starting QBS at the end of the season. And if you take out just 1 drop - for instance the 75 yard dropped touchdown pass against Minnesota on opening day and record it as a touchdown pass - his passer rating through those 4 games would have been 102.99 - that would have placed Aaron in a tie for 4th with Garoppolo - 4th out of 32 starting QBs - trailing only Brock Purdy (107.3), Tua (105.5) and Mahomes (105.2) at the end of the season. Aaron last year had to deal with 41 drops vs. only 15 drops in 2021. And if you look at Davante Adams catch percenage last year with Derek Carr - it was 55.6% vs. 72.8% with Aaron in 2021 and 77.2% in 2020. This shows how management can kill a team by ripping away its future NFL Hall of Fame Receiver and ripping away the Packers all time greatest quarterback.

The Packers have lost very little from the 2021-22 season - other than receivers, which was simply a consequence of the way Packer management tried to play hard ball with Davante Adams, not because of money or salary cap, as Davante's offer from the Raiders was less than the Packers offer.

The Packers keep Rodgers as the starter and they would likely be in the playoffs each year 2023-24, 2024-2025, 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 until the end of Aaron's 4 year contract at which point he would retire with no cap hit to the Packers.

As good as the current 2023-24 Packer team is, with Jordan Love as Packer starting quarterback - just based on observations to date and facts with regard to Jordan - it is hard to see the Packers making the playoffs more than once over those same 4 years.

Jordan (NFL draft pick #26, 2020) in 2019-2020 his last year in college football at Utah State, led all of college football in interceptions with 17. Led all of college football in interceptions!!! - not only the FBS where you find Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. but also the smaller school FCS where you find Trey Lance and our Christian Watson.

You do not find any of the top quarterbacks drafted in the NFL on this list of interception leaders.
You find find the top quarterbacks drafted in the NFL normally among the leaders in touchdown passes.

And in Jordan's (pick #26, 2020) last year, 2019-2020, the leader in touchdown passes for all of college football was Joe Burrow (pick #1, 2020) who threw 60 touchdown passes and Justin Fields (pick #11, 2021) who threw 41 touchdown passes and Sam Howell (pick #144, 2022) who threw 38 touchdown passes and Trevor Lawrence (pick #1, 2021) who threw 36 touchdown passes and Tua Tagovailoa (pick #5, 2020) who threw 33 touchdown passes and Jalen Hurts (pick #53, 2020) who threw 32 touchdown passes and Justin Herbert (pick #6, 2020) who threw 32 touchdown passes and Sam Ehlinger (pick 218, 2021) who threw 32 touchdown passes and Trey Lance (pick #3, 2021) who threw 28 touchdown passes.

Jordan threw just 20 touchdown passes vs. Jordan's all of college football leading 17 interceptions. By comparison, Trey Lance threw ZERO interceptions while throwing those 28 touchdown passes.
So I do have a fear from watching Jordan in the exhibition games and the Chief games - where the Chiefs knew a week in advance Jordan was starting and prepared - and past history - and the Lions and Eagles games too that ball protection is going to be a problem. We just were treated to the all time greatest when it comes to ball protection in Aaron. We were spoiled.

Jordan played just 2 full years a starter at Utah State - Jordan's year leading all of College football in interceptions was his last year in college football before the Packers drafted him. Drafted him before Jalen Hurts.

Jordan's college career career at Utah State- include:

a blow out 42 to 6 loss to Joe Burrow and LSU when Jordan threw 3 picks and Joe Burrow 5 TDs,

a loss to Josh Allen and Wyoming when Jordan threw 3 picks,

a loss to 22nd ranked Boise State and Brett Rypien (Super Bowl QB Mark Rypien's nephew) when Jordan was outplayed,

a loss to 11th ranked Michigan State when Jordan threw 2 picks and was out played by future Giants and Patriots undrafted Brian Lewerke

and Jodan's last game in the Frisco Bowl with the pick and loss to Kent State and Dustin Crum - undrafted QB signed by the Chiefs and now in the CFL.

Jordan looks better than his first exhibition games - all of which a group of Packer fans and I watch together - and we all agree that Jordan certainly is better than the disaster of Brett Hundley, 5th round 2015 Packer draft choice, that kept us out of the playoffs when Aaron went down in 2017.

But there is no reason to replace Aaron Rodgers with Jordan Love at this point, never mind trading Rodgers.

If you have a subscription to NFL Plus, watch the Chiefs (2021), Lions (2021) and Eagles (2022) using All 22/Coaches Film and you will see just what I and all my fellow Packer fans that watch with me see.

I think the 2023-2024 team is as good or better than the 13-4 2021-22 team - with the exception of Management's terrible mistake with Davante and now any loss of Aaron Rodgers. Losing Lazard was another mistake, but this Packer 2023-24 team with a good use of the 15th and 45th pick should go 13-4 again with Rodgers.

I think with Love 9-8 is possible, but as I wrote earlier I doubt we will be in the playoffs more than 1 in the next 4 years,

Whereas Rodgers in 2008 was 6th out of 32 starters in passer rating and threw 28 touchdowns and 13 interceptions and for over 4,000 yards in 16 games we shall see what Jordan does in 17 games. Should be much easier for Jordan as QBs are more protected than they were in 2008.

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Lootstone's picture

March 28, 2023 at 02:47 am

Lots of stats here but I'm going to push back, because it sounds like you don't get that in your circle.

When watching Love's film, he's a different thrower than Rodgers, so you have to view them separately where they have different strengths and try to understand what Gutey and the FO saw.

What Jordan has:
Arm strength - Accuracy - Quickness - Reflex when rushed - Soft touch on shorter range drop throws

What his weaknesses have been in college (on paper), you've mentioned. However, some details you missed and you haven't given credit to, is the fact that he's had time to sit and develop even more. I was going to write up a long response in contrast to why you were seeing some of the numbers you saw on paper - Jordan has had unique situations occur over his college career that were actually highlighted during the combine:

https://youtu.be/iONQVisM9kE?t=330

I find it fitting to watch and listen to the announcers, and understand why Gutey and company thought this guy could be the Packers next franchise QB despite the poor numbers on paper, because those numbers aren't everything. Jordan v. KC had some faults no question, but again showed that those glimpses were still there among the communication errors mostly, and the occasional bad ball.

Personally, I think he's had great scanning overview of weapons on the field, that is something that's just hard to teach. He has missed details, and when under pressure has cracked at times. That is what development is for though, to refine the details and to build rapport with your weapons. My opinion for a possible bright future changed when I found out he's already training with 2023s weapons this early in the offseason.

Jordan absolutely has the potential to be great. He's improved every year with GB - what if that continues? What if he can learn to be comfortable, even on the fly, when he gets the full experience under his belt? Maybe those flashes of greatness can stick, maybe not. Something we've all learned - Gutey and company pick high ceiling players, letting the consistency come as it may. That is something I respect out of the current FO. So I say, we will see. Don't assume bold statements and predictions until you know.

Because if he's good this year or the next; you'll have to change your name to:

StarttoLove

lol

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greengold's picture

March 28, 2023 at 04:36 am

Shocked with all that the words GARY ANDERSEN do no appear.

Oooo. Almost forgot! There’s a really great book you should read:

“2019: THE YEAR I LOST ALL MY STARTING WRS & OL.”

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Lootstone's picture

March 28, 2023 at 03:31 pm

That's why I didn't go into it. But even with you pointing it out, people still refuse to acknowledge the positives of Love (the ground falling out from under him in a way even Aaron never had to experience); because they convinced themselves to be partisan in "team Aaron." Regardless of 2023 Jordan Love - he deserves a shot at starter now. So the FO had to make a call, trade Jordan or start him.

Aaron will be great, but as intelligent as he is, and vocally loving - his actions as of late don't help the team. His big chunk pay that was eventually going to catch up, his lack of communication, and his lack of rapport with the rookies. As good as Rodgers is, at the very least, the fans will get to see if we can work better with Love than Rodgers scheme wise - and as an organization. I defended Aaron all day last year, with my family scoffing at me the whole time, and I'll definitely get the, "see, we told you" scenario now. They were sick of the fall off from his superbowl days, and his interviews that showed lack of leadership - my assumption anyway. Was he a great guide for rookies? Yeah, probably, but a great leader is hard to come by because you need willing, talented followers, as well as an intentional shepherd. There was a chasm somewhere and for some reason at GB.

And if he ignored the FO at GB until post darkness, well, what do you expect? The FO is supposed to represent our vote in that stadium. MVP or not, Aaron, they deserve respect as well. They deserve transparency as well. All these things he demanded as a veteran leaving the company, did he reflect on how he treated everyone in that building during that darkness retreat? Probably not. Last years contract showed our commitment. And if Rodgers really wanted Adams knowing he was taking 100 million up front in 2 years, with Devante taking similar... That was almost half the salary cap!

People put so much into Aaron, and the FO was definitely part of that. They put so much energy into that man (money/time = energy) and Aaron as of late has not been a good return on investment. Those are the current facts.

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TKWorldWide's picture

March 28, 2023 at 07:34 am

Natural to have doubts, but, I think fans sometimes get like this because they want to avoid disappointment by not getting their hopes up to begin with.
I’m going on record right now and saying zero of the NFL’s 32 teams will win the next Super Bowl. I’m also predicting that I will be correct 31 out of 32 times. That’s almost 97%, baby!
But that kind of thinking is 0% fun.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 28, 2023 at 09:55 am

There's way too much misinformation for me to unpack it all, but I'll start with this notion that the Packer Brass mishandled/got cheap with Davante Adams.

For the 3,013th time, Adams wanted to leave and play with the Raiduhs and Derek Carr. That's what he wanted. He was going to be a FA and he made it very clear that's what he wanted. The Packers offered him some pretty good dough to stay, but he wanted to play for the Raiduhs. So the Packers traded him for two premium picks, one of which was used to help get his replacement, Watson.

It's pretty plain that StarrtoRodgers really has a great affection for "Aaron", and still hasn't accepted he's not that guy anymore.

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stormin's picture

March 28, 2023 at 01:33 pm

Exactly, finally someone that knows football, thanks STARRTTODRODGERS !

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PackfanNY's picture

March 28, 2023 at 10:19 am

Right now the Packers are a 3-4 win team as presently configured. We have an essentially unproven QB. A shallow WR room. No TE’s. Our O-line is pretty good and our RB’s are the strength of the team.

The Defense is suspect as per usual. We have no depth on the Dline. The pass rush without a healthy Rashan Gary is thin to be kind. The secondary should be good but we don’t have a proven Safety under contract. Special teams might be pretty good but Crosby is probably gone so that is still up in the air.

A long rebuild is about to begin. I don’t know if the younger fans are ready for the reality. Lucky for us the start of the season is 6 months away. Maybe the Draft brings us more hope but counting on first year players makes it tough.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

March 28, 2023 at 03:04 pm

"Now that we found love what are we gonna do?"

Just based on hard facts, I would think we are going to experience a lot of losing.

I am a die hard Packer fan since the days of Starr and I will be following and watching and cheering every game as I have for nearly 60 years and I have seen a lot, including 21 of 23 years without the Packers in the playoffs from 1968 through 1991, so I have a lot of experience to draw from.

The last 4 seasons the Packers were 13-3, 13-3, and 13-4 and 3-1 when Aaron injured his thumb.

Just a year ago the Packers were coming off of 2 seasons where Aaron not only won 2 MVPs but led the entire NFL in Passer Rating, which as you know measures 4 variables - 1) Touchdown passes per pass attempt, 2) completion percentage, 3) yards per pass attempt and 4) interception percentage. Aaron's passer rating after 4 games last year was 97.5% which would have placed him 8th out of 32 starting QBS at the end of the season. And if you take out just 1 drop - for instance the 75 yard dropped touchdown pass against Minnesota on opening day and record it as a touchdown pass - his passer rating through those 4 games would have been 102.99 - that would have placed Aaron in a tie for 4th with Garoppolo - 4th out of 32 starting QBs - trailing only Brock Purdy (107.3), Tua (105.5) and Mahomes (105.2) at the end of the season. Aaron last year had to deal with 41 drops vs. only 15 drops in 2021. And if you look at Davante Adams catch percenage last year with Derek Carr - it was 55.6% vs. 72.8% with Aaron in 2021 and 77.2% in 2020. This shows how management can kill a team by ripping away its future NFL Hall of Fame Receiver and ripping away the Packers all time greatest quarterback.

The Packers have lost very little from the 2021-22 season - other than receivers, which was simply a consequence of the way Packer management tried to play hard ball with Davante Adams, not because of money or salary cap, as Davante's offer from the Raiders was less than the Packers offer.

The Packers keep Rodgers as the starter and they would likely be in the playoffs each year 2023-24, 2024-2025, 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 until the end of Aaron's 4 year contract at which point he would retire with no cap hit to the Packers.

As good as the current 2023-24 Packer team is, with Jordan Love as Packer starting quarterback - just based on observations to date and facts with regard to Jordan - it is hard to see the Packers making the playoffs more than once over those same 4 years.

Jordan (NFL draft pick #26, 2020) in 2019-2020 his last year in college football at Utah State, led all of college football in interceptions with 17. Led all of college football in interceptions!!! - not only the FBS where you find Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. but also the smaller school FCS where you find Trey Lance and our Christian Watson.

You do not find any of the top quarterbacks drafted in the NFL on this list of interception leaders.
You find find the top quarterbacks drafted in the NFL normally among the leaders in touchdown passes.

And in Jordan's (pick #26, 2020) last year, 2019-2020, the leader in touchdown passes for all of college football was Joe Burrow (pick #1, 2020) who threw 60 touchdown passes and Justin Fields (pick #11, 2021) who threw 41 touchdown passes and Sam Howell (pick #144, 2022) who threw 38 touchdown passes and Trevor Lawrence (pick #1, 2021) who threw 36 touchdown passes and Tua Tagovailoa (pick #5, 2020) who threw 33 touchdown passes and Jalen Hurts (pick #53, 2020) who threw 32 touchdown passes and Justin Herbert (pick #6, 2020) who threw 32 touchdown passes and Sam Ehlinger (pick 218, 2021) who threw 32 touchdown passes and Trey Lance (pick #3, 2021) who threw 28 touchdown passes.

Jordan threw just 20 touchdown passes vs. Jordan's all of college football leading 17 interceptions. By comparison, Trey Lance threw ZERO interceptions while throwing those 28 touchdown passes.
So I do have a fear from watching Jordan in the exhibition games and the Chief games - where the Chiefs knew a week in advance Jordan was starting and prepared - and past history - and the Lions and Eagles games too that ball protection is going to be a problem. We just were treated to the all time greatest when it comes to ball protection in Aaron. We were spoiled.

Jordan played just 2 full years a starter at Utah State - Jordan's year leading all of College football in interceptions was his last year in college football before the Packers drafted him. Drafted him before Jalen Hurts.

Jordan's college career career at Utah State- include:

a blow out 42 to 6 loss to Joe Burrow and LSU when Jordan threw 3 picks and Joe Burrow 5 TDs,

a loss to Josh Allen and Wyoming when Jordan threw 3 picks,

a loss to 22nd ranked Boise State and Brett Rypien (Super Bowl QB Mark Rypien's nephew) when Jordan was outplayed,

a loss to 11th ranked Michigan State when Jordan threw 2 picks and was out played by future Giants and Patriots undrafted Brian Lewerke

and Jodan's last game in the Frisco Bowl with the pick and loss to Kent State and Dustin Crum - undrafted QB signed by the Chiefs and now in the CFL.

Jordan looks better than his first exhibition games - all of which a group of Packer fans and I watch together - and we all agree that Jordan certainly is better than the disaster of Brett Hundley, 5th round 2015 Packer draft choice, that kept us out of the playoffs when Aaron went down in 2017.

But there is no reason to replace Aaron Rodgers with Jordan Love at this point, never mind trading Rodgers.

If you have a subscription to NFL Plus, watch the Chiefs (2021), Lions (2021) and Eagles (2022) using All 22/Coaches Film and you will see just what I and all my fellow Packer fans that watch with me see.

I think the 2023-2024 team is as good or better than the 13-4 2021-22 team - with the exception of Management's terrible mistake with Davante and now any loss of Aaron Rodgers. Losing Lazard was another mistake, but this Packer 2023-24 team with a good use of the 15th and 45th pick should go 13-4 again with Rodgers.

I think with Love 9-8 is possible, but as I wrote earlier I doubt we will be in the playoffs more than 1 in the next 4 years,

Whereas Rodgers in 2008 was 6th out of 32 starters in passer rating and threw 28 touchdowns and 13 interceptions and for over 4,000 yards in 16 games we shall see what Jordan does in 17 games. Should be much easier for Jordan as QBs are more protected than they were in 2008.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

March 28, 2023 at 09:52 pm

NFC Teams - Seasons in the playoffs since Aaron Rodgers became Packer QB in 2008:

1) Green Bay 11 (1 QB Rodgers 11)

2) Seattle 10 (2 different QBs - Hasselbeck 1 and Wilson 9)

3) Eagles 9 (several different QBs - McNabb 2, Vick 1, Foles 3, Josh McCown/Wentz 1, Hurts 2)

4) Saints 8 (1 QB Brees 8)

5) Vikings 7 (several different QBs - Tavaris Jackson 1, Favre 1, Joe Webb 1, Bridgewater 1, Keenum 1, Cousins 2)

6) 49ers 6 (several different QBs - Alex Smith 1, Colin Kaepernick 2, Garoppolo 2, Purdy 1)

7) Cowboys 6 (2 different QBs - Romo 2, Prescott 4)

8) Falcons 6 (1 QB Ryan 6)

9) Panthers 5 (2 different QBs - Delhomme 1, Newton 4)

10) Cardinals 5 (several different QBs - Warner 2, Stanton/Palmer/Lindley 1, Palmer 1, Murray 1)

11) Giants 4 (2 different QBs - Manning 3, Jones 1)

12) Rams 4 (2 different QBs - Goff 3, Stafford 1)

13) Commanders 3 (3 different QBs - Robert Griffin, Cousins, and Alex Smith)

14) Buccaneers 3 (1 QB Brady 3)

15) Lions 3 (1 QB Stafford 3)

16) Bears 3 (2 QBs Cutler 1, Trubisky 2)

I have posted above the number of years that NFC teams have reached the playoffs during Aaron Rodgers 15 years as Packer starting QB.

As you can see, no NFC team has had more seasons in which they were in the playoffs than the Packers with Rodgers over those 15 years.

The chief difference between the 15 other teams and the Packers is that Aaron Rodgers was the starting QB for the Packers and NOT for the other 15 NFC teams.

During those 15 years with Rodgers as Packer starting QB no NFC team has won more Superbowls than the Packers.

"NOW THAT WE FOUND LOVE WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?"

After reading COMPLAINTS like this:

a) "Look at the bottom Line" One Super Bowl each (i.e. Favre and Rodgers", a bunch of conference championship losses for each...",

b) "hasn't been in a superbowl for a decade",

c) "lost last 2 must win games" - ( 5 drops alone in the must win Lions game in a season in which drops increased from 15 to 41, receivers were mostly new and injured, rotating injured offensive line, playing with a broken thumb since week 5 and the last "must win game" was lost on Special Teams after Rodgers guided the Packers to 13 must wins for home field advantage).
I think "Now that we found love", in addition to experience a lot of losing, I think "we", the Packer fan - especially the young Packer fan, age 40 and younger - are going to be like fans of the other 15 NFC teams' fans - all of whom have seen their teams go to the playoffs less than the Packers did in Aaron's 15 years as starting Packer QB.

I think "we" - the younger Packer fans, 40 years old or younger - are going to learn how to appreciate things as simple as:

1) a game where the Packer QB "only" throws 1 or 2 interceptions,

2) a game where the Packer QB "only" loses a fumble once or twice,

3) a game where the Packer QB is "only" sacked 4 or 5 times,

4) a game where the Packer QB throws and completes a pass that travels in the air 10 or more yards from the line of scrimmage,
allowing the Packers running game and short passing game to function,

5) a game in which the Packer QB throws a single touchdown pass,

6) a game in which the Packer QB leads a drive of more than 1 first down and 35 yards,

7) and most importantly the Packers QB isn't largely responsible for the loss - there is a vast difference between being largely responsible for losing the game and not winning the game with a heroic single handed last minute drive or Hail Mary, etc..

The majority of Packer fans are likely 40 years old and younger and all they have seen is Favre and Rodgers and may not even remember Favre that well so they do not remember how often Packer quarterbacks of the past failed to accomplish all of the above expected MINIMUMS during a game - the futility of Don Horn (some good flashes though), Scott Hunter (high hopes), Jim Del Gaizo, Jerry Tagge, Jack Concannon, and old John Hadl, Carlos Brown, Don Milan, Rich Campbell, Jim Zorn, Randy Wright, Alan Risher, Anthony Dilweg, Mike Tomczak, and Blair Kiel. Over that span only Dickey, Whitehurst and Majkowski provided hope.

About the closest I have seen from the 1992-93 through to the futility of Packer QBs (exceptions Dickey, Majik and Whitehurst) I watched game after game during the late 1960s through 1991 is Brett Hundley from 1992-1993 through 2022-2023 as Scott Tolzien and Seneca Wallace's futility was much shorter lived and not as memorable.

However given the fact that Jordan is only the 3rd QB the Packers have drafted in the first round in the past 56 years and how much Packer Management has hyped Jordan as being ready to take over for the QB that just a year ago was coming off 2 consecutive years leading all 32 starting QBs in passer rating and 2 consecutive MVP awards, I think Jordan will be given a longer leash than Brett Hundley's 9 starts that kept us out of the playoffs in 2017. We might be looking more at something like Randy Wright's 32 starts or Scott Hunter's 29. Packers were able to hide Scott Hunter's weaknesses with a solid Packer defense and not asking Scott to do much. Wright wasn't as easy to hide - Packer defense wasn't as good. Where would Tom Brady have been without those great Patriot defenses to save Brady's ass - Tampa too.

The young Packer fans today - Spoiled and such lack of appreciation and so unrealistic - failure to grasp reality of the NFL and life.

Must be youth?

Have not lived life long enough and been a Packer fan long enough.

I presume that those Packer fans complaining about Aaron Rodgers - even through they have been treated to the playoffs more than any other NFC team's fans - because the Packers have won "only" 1 Superbowl are probably about 40 years old or younger because such lack of appreciation and failure to grasp reality would certainly not exist for those older, especially those born in the 1950s that received a glimpse of Starr's and the Packers greatness and then loyally lived and died with the Packers from 1968 through 1991, when the Packer fans only saw the playoffs 2 years - 1972 and strike shortened 1982.

We shall see how many of those RELATIVELY new Packer fans that COMPLAIN that the Packers with Rodgers as QB, have ONLY won 1 Super Bowl, despite being in the playoffs more than any other NFC team, in more NFC playoff games than any other team, and in more NFC championship games than any other NFC QB, are still around watching each Packer game to the bitter end each week after the Packers miss the playoff 3 years in a row, never mind 10 years in a row and 21 of 23.

I bet 95% of those complaining about Aaron Rodgers will be gone long before the Packers experience 3 missed playoff seasons in a row.

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Lootstone's picture

March 28, 2023 at 11:42 pm

No offense bud, but maybe you need the Packers to suck more than anybody at this point.

Change is inevitable.

**Maybe conquer a mountain that is more controllable for you? You point out great stats for Aaron (I commend the effort - truly), but no one denies that he's a generational quarterback. I personally think he is going to be great in NY as well, and hope he educates the public on the ridiculous protocols the NFL took during the pandemic, because all teams could use that level of pushback and intellect from someone who doesn't give a rats arse. Under Mr. Johnson is the perfect place for someone like that lol. But, at the same time, if we had reversed 3 months and saw the Packers go with him again, what if we lost first game of the playoffs again (regardless of fault), and he just retires at that point? Then what? We'd be left with a cap hit that is harder to accommodate any player that's good and thinks they deserve more. And we'd have no draft picks.

If we suck, yeah maybe humbling those thinking Jordan is the next MVP is good for them. But who? Who has said Jordan is going to be amazing here? No one has stated that. Lot's of people are hopeful, I've seen a lot of hope - that's a good thing. And next draft is going to have really, really high level QBs.
Maybe rooting for the hardest lesson for 1 year, is far better than trying to keep the window open for another drama to unfold. We'd get a high draft pick for a change. Football isn't everything my friend, otherwise Aaron himself wouldn't ever retire. I hope you find joy in this years unfolding for the new GB Packers, however it comes. Just try not to be that old guy who is shouting, "get off my lawn," at every "youth" who is simply walking on the opposite side of the road. Hope that makes sense.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

March 30, 2023 at 06:00 am

Jets GM Joe Douglas drafted Zach Wilson 2nd overall in the 2021 draft & watched the Jets trade for & draft QB Sam Darnold 3rd overall in 2018. Douglas then traded Sam Darnold, & benched Wilson, after Douglas had given up on the two 23 year olds after 38 starts for Darnold and 22 for Wilson.

The Jets were originally so high on Darnold that they traded 4 high picks to get Darnold - their 6th overall pick in 2018, 2018 37th overall pick, 2018 49th overall pick and their 2019 2nd round pick (which would be 34th overall).

Given that the Packers think so highly of Jordan Love that they are willing to give way the QB that won the passer rating title over 31 other starting QBs 2 of the last 3 years and is a 4 time MVP, wouldn't the Jets think the same & drop the idea of Aaron as their QB in an instant & jump at a Packer offer of young 24 yr old Jordan Love?

With Jordan so highly thought of, would the Jets give the Packers a Russell Wilson like package in return?:

Russell Wilson was traded for 7 players - the 9th (2022), 5th (2023), 40th (2022), 37th (2023) picks in the NFL Draft - all unconditional draft picks - & a young solid starting tight end (Noah Fant, the 20th pick in the 2019 draft) & a starting defensive end (Shelby Harris) & quarterback Drew Lock (2nd round 42nd overall pick in the 2019 draft - 6 players who will be Seattle starters and 2 of which (5th and 9th pick) will probably be all pros and a backup or possible starting QB in young Lock.

If no, why not?

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

March 30, 2023 at 06:00 am

Double post.

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