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#PackersDaily: Is it a year too early to draft a QB?

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#PackersDaily: Is it a year too early to draft a QB?

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PAPackerbacker's picture

With so many more immediate needs on the roster I would say yes it's a little to early to consider a replacement for AR. Rodgers has another 4 or 5 years or more to play. Fill the holes where the biggest needs are first while the Packers hold a good spot in the draft. Give Boyle a chance to develop for a year or 2 then make a decision on drafting a top ranked QB, if necessary. I don't think Kiser is the answer.

TheVOR's picture

Agree. But lets not forget the immortal words of Ron Wolf, HOF GM. I draft a QB every year, doesn't matter who's on the roster, least we forget that 3 of his cast off QB picks turned into #2 draft picks. The Packers should be taking a QB every year, and nobody said take them in the first round, unless Rodgers falls to you at 23 like the biggest no-brainer in the NFL draft history. Just saying, yes, take a QB. Maybe a guy like a Will Grier, in the 4th.

KeepErMovin's picture

That was back before rookie wage scaling. Back then QBs would fall because you had to give them huge contracts. Nowadays teams are moving up to round 1 so they can have the 5th year option on a QB. That prevents most good QBs who need to sit for a few years slipping in the draft.

Old School's picture

It's the most important position on the team and if your starter gets injured, your backup becomes your most important player in most cases.

We should have taken Lamar Jackson last year...…..

jannes bjornson's picture

If there is a talent available draft him. Get a veteran backup while you're at it and dump Kiser. You have to be able to win games if Rodgers goes down. You cannot have a repeat performance of the past two seasons with that group of remnants from the Summer League. Family Night does not count in the final standings boys and girls. Please shake Ted out of your consciousness and think like a Ron Wolf...Brunell, Detmer, Hassellbach, even Brooks.

ArlenWilliams's picture

And whatever happened to finding a dependable veteran for second string quarterback, so you don't just throw games away when the fist stringer is out?

Frank Reich... Billy Kilmer... Earl Moral... George Blanda... Zeke Bratkowski...

WinUSA's picture

Kaepernick deserves a shot to get in the NFL. How many games do you think we would have won if he was on the roster instead of Hundley or Kiser. And don’t give me any political shit. I served our country in combat and am as red blooded American as any of you. It would be a statement that would make Green Bay proud!!!!

WinUSA's picture

Boyle IS the answer. He is raw... but he is a gamer with unlimited talent. He deserves to be Rodgers backup. Keeping Keizer who be another black mark for Murphy.

Jonathan Spader's picture

In this draft I like Drew Look reminds me of Brett Favre. All the arms strength in the world questionable decision making.

Barnacle's picture

Then we can have two great QBs, one highly paid and the other sitting on the bench burning up his cheap rookie contract?

I would prefer drafting better OL or edge rushers. We already have misspent heavily on QB. Let’s get some players who will play now.

Jonathan Spader's picture

OL might not play now either takes a bit to transition to NFL speed unless they are a special talent. The Edge rushers due to need and the talent of this year's draft should contribute right away.

You're also assuming I am saying draft Drew Lock over a position of need. I wouldn't take him with the #12 pick but I would seriously consider him with the #30. Then play Kizer in preseason and see if a team will trade for him. We got a 5th round for Hundley.

Keep Boyle as a backup and see what we have in him in preseason as well. All the OL in the world will be useless if Rodgers ability to play hits a cliff. I'd like to see the Packers start grooming a replacement in the next couple of drafts when the right talent falls to them.

Did Rodgers "burn his cheap rookie contract sitting on the bench"? I don't think so. Lock needs some work on his footwork, throwing motion, and football IQ. He has the intangibles to be a great QB and in GB would learn from the best to play the game. I hardly consider that a waste!

Skip greenBayless's picture

No worries Barnacle. The Packers are set at future qb with rookie phenom Timothy Boyle. Unlike most here who speculate, I actually do have two inside anonymous contacts inside 1265 but this was prior to MM getting fired. They told me the Packers were extremely giddy about Tim Boyle. They couldn't believe a man of this much talent did not get drafted. They felt his poor talent around him had a lot to do with him not getting drafted. Again this was the MM administration. I have no idea how this LaFlour guy is going to handle the young talent future superstar qb but pretty sure he'll keep him and work with him for now. LaFlour has enough film on him in the preseason not to be a total idiot and dump him at this point. Anyone who watched the preseason could see Boyle was probably the most talented qb in last years draft.

Dash

Lphill's picture

You prove you are no real fan , Boyle was not good in college and probably would not be in the NFL if the Packers didn’t sign him.

edp1959's picture

Totally agree. Word is he does not have the smarts to handle a complicated offense or read defenses at the pro level.

blacke00's picture

Hey Guys, where the hell do you guys get your info?

I know a guy who's brother in-law knows a fella that's a cousin to someone who works in the coffee shop in Green Bay.

Give me a break! If Boyle couldn't understand pro offenses and defenses he wouldn't be on the team! Such BS!
I watched Boyle and he certainly has talent. How much I don't know. Remember Guts signed him and he will be the one that determines who stay and who will go.

WinUSA's picture

And you sir... have your head up where the sun don’t shine. Dash is so right on the mark with his assessment of Boyle. Didn’t you watch him last year? Duh

WinUSA's picture

As usual you a mark right on bud!

Old School's picture

So Drew Lock reminds you of the biggest big-game liability in the history of the NFL and you think we should maybe draft him? Haven't we seen the Packers choke away enough playoff games?

The TKstinator's picture

As long as he follows it up with “just trying to make a play” at the postgame interview.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Yes Drew Lock reminds me of a HOF QB. I think the kid has a ton of potential and look forward to watching his NFL career wherever it is.

KeepErMovin's picture

First, you cant win in todays NFL with "questionable decision making" from your QB. Second, Drew Lock will probably go top 10 and probably to Denver.

Lare's picture

TT drew a lot of flack for selecting Rodgers when he did, that year's team had a lot more pressing holes to address also. It all comes back to the BPA draft philosophy.

That said, I would think the Packers would wait another year before addressing the QB position if for no other reason than to see what they have with the current backups. If it becomes apparent to the new coaching staff that Kizer and/or Boyle aren't going to ever be the QB of the future, then by all means bring in some players that can.

dblbogey's picture

If you're talking about drafting a QB in the mid rounds as a semi-decent backup, I'm all in. If you're talking about drafting Rodgers' eventual replacement in an early round, it's at least 2 years too early.

Old School's picture

You're saying your amenable to wasting a mid-round pick on a guy you hope never has to play. I'm saying, it is inevitable that we're going to need a replacement for Rodgers and franchise caliber QBs are usually found in the first round.

KeepErMovin's picture

Not this year. No 2019 QB would be ranked higher than 3, maybe 4 or 5, in 2020.

buddrow53's picture

I wonder how many Patriot fans laughed their butts off " wtf Tom Brady in the 6 rd, we dont need a QB are you kidding me.

One thing we know, is we don't know.

The TKstinator's picture

Well put.
At least I think it was.

MarkinMadison's picture

I don't know if it was well put or not.

The TKstinator's picture

Also true.
And I’m really decisive.
At least once in a while I think I might be.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

Fry me but even though I want a big ugly (OL) with the 30th selection in round one if Kyler Murray is there I would think long and hard. If he is there in 2nd round there would be no question I'd pull the trigger and grab him. He could play so many positions for the Pack and be extremely dangerous in each of them.

The TKstinator's picture

Taysom Hill Jr.?

Colin_C's picture

Except he's actually a really good QB.

dobber's picture

Not interested in using a high pick on a guy who, if he's made to sit behind #12, could bolt for baseball at any time. He's a great athlete, but has only played QB. Undersized... I wouldn't expose him as a RB which would be the only position he could likely slot into quickly.

KeepErMovin's picture

God no. Dude is 5' 8" 175 max. #TooSmall

Bert's picture

Not too early if there is a good developmental prospect around RD5-7. Not sure about Kizer or Boyle so bringing in a QB with some upside wouldn't be out of the question.

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

If the Packers are happy with their backup QBs and are willing to go with them in the event of an injury to Rodgers, then no, don’t bother drafting a QB in the 2019 draft, trading for one, or signing one in free agency. Otherwise,...

sonomaca's picture

QB’s last much longer, thanks to improved fitness, rules changes, and QB-friendly schemes. Rodgers could play 5 or 6 more years.

Jonathan Spader's picture

But at what level?

KeepErMovin's picture

A higher lvl than any QB in the 2019 class. QB is down this year.

CheesyTex's picture

Too many holes to waste draft choices on a QB this year.

GBPDAN1's picture

No QB this year unless a 2rd talent ends up in the 5th rd

Doug Niemczynski's picture

I suppose it depends on who is there at #12. We all see what happens without a good QB like A. Rogers. I don't want to draft a QB early, but it's getting almost time. I do like Daniel Jones QB - Duke who is rated as the 5th best QB, so maybe if he is available in the 4th round since we have 2 picks, however I wish we could have seen more of our own Tim Boyle. Maybe Kizer will work out later? Not too high on him right now.

Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence will be highly coveted in the next 2-3 years. Crazy dream wish list.

Let us not forget Nick Foles... getting older though.

1. Pass rusher
2. TE
3. WR or Guard
4. LB/ Safety
4. RB/ QB
5. OL/DL
Beyond this whoever maybe even another TE since deep class...

stockholder's picture

1. Franchise 2. All-pro. 3. Starter. 4. Need. 5. Gamble

Doug Niemczynski's picture

So far I would not draft Daniel Jones, but I do really loke QB -Trace McSorley Penn State! We will see how he does Saturday - Senior Bowl

sonomaca's picture

Didn’t do well. I see four QB’s in the top 11: Murray (#1 overall), Haskins, Lock and Jones. That leaves 7 position players ahead of #12 pick:

Likely gone will be:

Bosa
Allen
Williams
Sweat

Might be available to Pack:

Dillard
Ferrell
Taylor
Gary
White
Ford
Hockenson
Ferguson
Oliver
Jonah Williams

Taking Polite and Fant off due to off-the-field issues.

My guess is it’s going to be Dillard. Must protect Rodgers!

Doug Niemczynski's picture

. North team- Senior Bowl Practice game today. Gruden was not playing with these guys. All business.

These 4 looked really really good

WR Terry McLaurin
OC/ Eric McCoy
QB Trace McSorley
WR Penny Hart

Side Notes:

Saw Andy Isabella WR walking around but did not see him play.

Daniel Jones did NOT ook good he will be a project 5-7 round

QB Drew Lock looks ready for the NFL

I did not get too watch the south team.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

OC Eric McCoy aldo plays Guard a need position for the first Packers.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Not sure what has happened, but the Packers ALWAYS used to be good at evaluating QBs, but lately dunno.

Since '61's picture

Yes, when the Packers had Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren they were excellent at identifying QB talent. Matt Hasselback, Mark Brunell, Doug Pederson and Aaron Brooks were all better than anyone who has backed up for Rodgers. But since then, nothing besides AR which was a no brainer anyway. Thanks, Since '61

Doug Niemczynski's picture

We even had Kurt Warner , but we couldn't keep 4 QBs

Since '61's picture

Excellent point Doug!!! Thanks, Since '61

dobber's picture

If anyone knew who Kurt Warner was going to be based on a little bit of camp in 1994? Come on. He never had a chance, and nobody signed him up except for the Arena League after he was cut at the early stages of camp.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

The point is the Packers saw enough of him to bring him in for a tryout.

dobber's picture

Yes. They cut him early and he was out of the NFL for 3 YEARS--remember the stocking shelves story?--before finally catching on with the Rams. Nothing like Taysom Hill who immediately was scarfed up by the Saints when he was cut. Whatever was seen by the Packers in 1994 must have been well below the radar for most GMs/evaluators.

BradHTX's picture

I don’t think it’s so much that they used to be better at evaluating the talent, I think it’s the CBA rules for how much time teams can make players put in has really affected their ability to develop the talent they evaluated.

dobber's picture

Yep. This is a big one. People get after MM for not developing more QB talent, but when the CBA changed and further restricted practice/contact time, the MM QB School went away for good.

Grimm's picture

I believe that with the #30th Pick at the end of round one, The Packers should trade back and get an additional second and third round pick it there is someone willing to trade up.

Late 1st round picks are a great place to grab a QB because its a value pick because of the 5th year option on 1st round picks. Its a reason for a team to look to trade up.

Its also a great spot to get a QB that you think you can develop in to a starter, either for GB or to Trade down the road. It would be insurance if there is any doubts about Rodgers or injury.

So Yes I think they are in a perfect position to either Draft a QB or Trade back.

KeepErMovin's picture

Trade back over drafting a QB this year.

CalPacker's picture

I think this conversation maybe changes after we take a closer look at some of the interesting mid-round talent out there? For instance, I've been watching Voch Lombardi's YouTube breakdown of the Senior Bowl one-on-ones, and have developed strong crushes on guys like YaSin, Lindstrom, and Collier (among others). Once you look at these guys, and think about issues like athleticism and depth for the Packers, spending a mid-round pick on a mediocre QB looks less appealing perhaps?

Lphill's picture

too soon for finding Rodgers replacement I know a lot of people here think Rodgers is done but I don't think so, he will lead the Packers back to the post season next season and collect at least one more title before his career is over.

Samson's picture

New HC & OC plus a healthy AR will put GB back into the playoffs in 2019. -- By midseason 2019 many will be looking at AR as a possible MVP candidate (again).

However, sure hope Gute finds an experienced BU QB who can win in a pinch instead of the two current "project QBs" on the 53 man.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Move up in the draft with our 2 1st round picks get Drew Lock QB. Trade Aaron Rogers for 2 1st round picks in 2020 draft and that gives us 3 1st round picks in 2020 and the Pack is Back!

Lphill's picture

yes I agree a better backup option should be a priority.

jannes bjornson's picture

If a guy is there take him and pick up a veteran FA capable of winning a Game if/when Rodgers goes down.
As mentioned follow the Wolf Rules and bag a QB every year, not just Summer League stars from Family Night.
Watching the Kiser-Hundley show was just an embarrassment. The Guru has left the building. Pulled in 9M to derail the train.

stockholder's picture

In 2007 TT traded away a second round pick #47 and #235 To the Jets = He got #63,#89,#191 was Bishop . QBs are a gamble. Don't waste a solid pick. Would you trade #44 for those picks this draft, to get a qb?

Codywaligursky's picture

We have had our chances over the years...but we always let go potentially great QBs for nothing, the GM thinking they are going to get Aaron Brooks and trade him for a better draft pick than we took him with. But we do the opposite, Taysom Hill is legit, and he was legit in GB. But we got rid of him for nothing. Joe Callahan (besides height) had the IT factor, he was smart, accurate, and a gamer. Canned him for nothing. For Brett Hundley or Kiser??? Garbage and not GREEN BAY type QBs.

We've only ever won with a west coast based offense. ie...Lambeau, Lombardi, Holmgren, McCarthy.....All from Alonzo Stagg to Rockne to Lambeau and Jim Crowley to Lombardi to Walsh to Holmgren to EVERYBODY. that's why like laFlur. Shanahans roots are west coast, McVey's, Kubiaks. Inside Zone + PA. Basic 357 step passing game with increased RB routes. A few RPOs. They will run gap scheme and zone runs, like Everyone else in the league. But a staple of all these teams is Good Defense. So let's expect that LaFlor to have a good D and be smart.

Back to the question, ALWAYS DRAFT QBs ...OFTEN! Bring them in Undrafted, bring them in anyway you can. Find the diamond in the ruff. Get lucky with preseason opportunity, and then trade them. But if you find one like Taysom Hill, dont get rid of
Him.

Packinit12's picture

The OL needs work and Rodgers, no doubt, will need protection going forward. If this need doesn't get addressed you better hope a QB is drafted that can withstand the recent onslaught!

Oppy's picture

The only time it's too early to draft a QB is when there isn't a QB in the draft worth using your selection on.

KeepErMovin's picture

So, most of the 2019 QBs. lol

MarkinMadison's picture

I would laugh it off but #12 is starting to build a bit of an injury history. The collarbones I'm pretty sure have no implications going forward - I think once they are fully healed they are good as new. The knee/ankle issues could be more of a limiting factor down the road. You just don't know, and this team completely tanked without him under MM. Need mo talent.

AgrippaLII's picture

AR has plenty of tread left...providing the OL gets fixed. Boyle and Kizer have only been around for one season. Hardly enough time to see what they've got. Drafting a QB before the sixth or seventh round is just crazy !

LambeauPlain's picture

No way you use top draft picks on a QB this year. And the mid rounds is where a good scout staff can unearth gems for the O Line.

So that leaves the late rounds to take a flyer on a QB who likely would be no better than Kizer or Boyle.

Nope, not this year for a QB. Need to see what Getsy, Hackett and ML can develop in Kizer and Boyle.

Too many holes at Edge, S, TE, and O line to draft a luxury at QB. The Packers cannot afford a luxury.

packfan65's picture

Gotta get a backup QB. Until our line can protect Rodgers from getting hurt its a necessity. Kizer or Boyle are not the answers. You can also blame stubborn McCarthy for keeping Hundley too long.

CalPacker's picture

The Favre precedent doesn't quite work for me: Brett's QB rating plummeted to 70.9 and 72.7 (47 INT combined) during Rodgers' first two years as a Packer...I don't see anything remotely like that happening to Rodgers in 2019-20.

As I said in an earlier post, I think folks need to check out Voch Lombardi's smart YouTube coverage of the Senior Bowl to help get excited about some of the mid-round talent out there... to me, QBs shouldn't even get a sniff from us until Round 6...

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