Packers Week Seven Snap Counts At The Houston Texans

Let us look at the snap counts to see if they tell any tales about what the coaches are thinking.  This week, let's change the format by beginning with the Inactive and Did Not Play lists since they explain a lot of things.

Inactive Players King, Savage, Lancaster, Bakhtiari, Aaron Jones, Ervin, and Love. 
Active/DNP OG Ben Braden

The Inactive List includes four starters plus two regular contributors and Love.  There were seven players on the inactive list, which means that the Packers had a full 53-man complement.  Recent acquisition Ben Braden was active but did not play.  The Packers elevated two players, safety Henry Black and running back Dexter Williams, from the practice squad.

Name Snaps % ST
Jenkins 60 97 5 - 17%
Patrick 62 100 5 - 17%
Wagner 62 100 5 - 17%
Turner 62 100  
Linsley 62 100  
Runyan 2 3 5 - 17%
Nijman     5 - 17%
       
       
Rodgers 60 97  
Boyle 2 3  
Lovett 9 15 16- 53%
       
Adams 57 92 1 - 3%
MVS 51 82 0 - 0
Shepherd 29 47 9 - 30%
Taylor 10 16 12 - 40%
St. Brown 3 5 9 - 30%
       
Tonyan 31 50 1 - 3%
Lewis 31 50  
Sternberger 20 32 11 - 37%
       
J. Williams 55 89 2 - 7%
Dillon 14 23 9 - 30%
D. Williams     15 - 50%
21 played Off.      

The Packers opted to replace Bakhtiari by moving Billy Turner to left tackle and inserting Ricky Wagner at right tackle.  Jenkins, Linsley and Lucas Patrick manned the interior spots.  This group held up well against the Texans.  Per Pro Football Focus, Aaron Rodgers was pressured on just six of his 35 pass attempts.  The ESPN box score confirms this as it shows just one quarterback hit by the Texans and no sacks.  While the running game was not precisely prolific against a Texans team that has had trouble with run defense, Jamaal Williams ran hard for 77 yards at a 4.1 yard per carry clip, including a touchdown run.  Dillon added 11 yards on 5 carries and Valdes-Scantling gained 9 on his only carry. 

Davante Adams was dominant with 13 receptions on 16 targets for 196 yards and 2 touchdowns.  Wide receivers not named Adams caught two passes on seven passes for six yards and one touchdown.  Equanimeous St. Brown got just three snaps but did have a nice special teams play, downing a punt at the two yard line.  Jamaal Williams chipped in 37 receiving yards on 4 receptions and 5 targets.  Jamaal Williams played a lot of snaps in the absence of Aaron Jones.  Dexter Williams did not get an offensive snap, but played 15 snaps on special teams including a play in which he appeared responsible for a blocked punt. 

Name Snaps % STs
Amos 68 100 3 - 10%
Redmond 68 100 9 - 30%
Alexander 68 100  
Jackson 68 100 9 - 30%
Sullivan 63 93 1 - 3%
Greene 34 50 7 - 23%
V. Scott 13 19 14 - 47%
H. Black 6 9 9 - 30%
Hollman     18 - 60%
       
Z. Smith 50 74  
P. Smith 49 72  
Gary 44 65 3 - 10%
Martin 29 43 9 - 30%
Barnes 27 40 1 - 3%
Summers 18 26 24 - 80%
Garvin 7 10 8 - 27%
Burks 5 7 25 - 83%
Ramsey     7 - 23%
       
Clark 43 63 5 - 17%
Keke DE 30 44 8 - 27%
Lowry 29 43 10 - 33%
M. Adams 23 34 10 - 33%
Winn 6 9 8 - 27%
23 played Def.      

Redmond replaced the inactive Darnell Savage and played every snap.  Josh Jackson replaced Kevin King and received every snap.  Chandon Sullivan increased his percentage of snaps as did Raven Greene until Greene limped off the field.  DeSean Watson passed for 309 yards, but they seemed like quiet yards to me except for a series or two in the first half when Randall Cobb strung together some receptions.  

Zadarius and Preston Smith had pretty good games and played their normal number of snaps.  Gary played 44 snaps (65%), which is far more than I had realized.  He does not appear on the stat sheet but had a pressure or two and set the edge.  Barnes left the game but still managed 5 solo tackles to go with 3 assists in just 27 snaps.  Martin played just 29 snaps and had six solo tackles.

The defensive line was surprisingly stout.  Clark led the way with 43 snaps and a reasonable 63% of possible snaps.  Interestingly, Keke got more snaps than Lowry and had a nice game.  Montravious Adams also increased his snap count percentage and was active in the absence of Tyler Lancaster.  Billy Winn had two tackles (one solo) in just six snaps.

Name Snaps % ST
Crosby     11 - 37%
Scott     10 - 33%
Bradley     10 - 33%

There was a considerable amount of movement in the distribution of special teams snaps.  Dillon got a full complement of special teams snaps.  It appears he is picking that aspect of the game up, and given his size and speed, he has to be a handy player on special teams, especially now that Tonyan rarely plays on STs.  Sullivan and Jamaal Williams usually play far more special team snaps than they did against the Texans.  Henry Black, despite being a new acquisition, played 30% of special teams snaps. 

 

* All statistics courtesy of NFLGSIS except where otherwise noted.

 

 

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 26, 2020 at 07:44 am

I chose to use a photo of Kamal Martin, who is just back from IR and played 29 snaps, including six solo tackles. He had two stops in the run game and one in coverage, per PFF. It was a very encouraging game.

I thought about using a photo of Redmond who filled in admirably for Savage. His snap percentage increased dramatically due to that circumstance. I've thought of Redmond as a very capable backup at FS for some time now. His pff grade is just 57.1 going into the Texans game, but some of that is when he was forced to play hybrid, for which he really is not well-suited.

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Archie's picture

October 26, 2020 at 06:44 am

Henry Black looks like a real find. Victor Scott doing well as well.

Martin had very nice debut. Let's hope Barnes is OK.

Gary will never get great stats but he is a football player nonetheless. Very odd.

DL solid for the most part.

Nice to have depth finally - starters go out and defense plays same or better.

OL another nice job.

Dillon did not look great. Must keep Jones.

Tae is our Fred Astaire. MVS must go.

Rodgers had excellent game despite being off somewhat.

Decimated Vikings next.

Will be interesting to watch how our injured players make out this week.

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Bure9620's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:38 pm

I would give Dillon some time, Jamal was stuffed on a few runs up the middle too, just needs reps

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murf7777's picture

October 26, 2020 at 06:47 am

Looks like we might have a pair of decent ILB’s with Barnes and Martin. With the addition of Keke and Adams playing better It sure seems like our run D Could be better. Also, having Greene helps a lot in that department. I know it was just Houston and not one of the top rushing teams, but does this show light at the end of the tunnel? Baby steps, but encouraging.

By the way, Gary had a sack that was overturned by Clark’s penalty. I also saw at least one other QB pressure by him.

I’ve been an MVS supporter, but my patience is growing very thin. Com on man run the right route and when you do, which doesn’t seem to be very often, catch the damn ball!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 26, 2020 at 07:19 am

I didn't mean to diss Gary, but I was still surprised to read 44 snaps. He did indeed have a sack removed due to penalty.

GB played 1.92 DL on average and 2.2 OLBs. It sounds like Z and Gary combined to play about 13 snaps on the DL.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

October 26, 2020 at 07:56 am

It seemed like Gary was playing hurt most of the game. Early on he made a tackle and grabbed his ankle. Later he couldn't make a play on a QB option and jogged down the field following the play. I believe he wasn't 100%.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 06:02 pm

We are playing 1.92 DL per snap, and playing 5 or 6 DBs .....doesn’t this make us kind of small against the run?

Of course it does. Our starting secondary was Alexander, Amos, Redmond, and Jackson.. Greene and Sullivan were the nickel and dime guys. Then we’ve got two DL, two edge rushers, and one guy who has to be Superman.

That’s a Front Five that’s going to weigh in at around 1375lbs, approximately. Our opponent is going to put five 300+ pound guys out there.....roughly 1575 lbs. That’s 40 pounds of muscle and bone per man.

If that’s going to work, I think you need some real Tasmanian devils in your front five.

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Lphill's picture

October 26, 2020 at 07:32 am

I think its obvious we need another receiver , there has to be a veteran out there with good hands that's worth a late round pick.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:05 am

I think it’s obvious that we’re scoring plenty of points with the guys we have.

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Lphill's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:16 am

Yes just like against a good defense with good corners in Tampa right?

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:28 am

That's just it: Tampa has very average CBs. They have the highest pressure rate in the league, though, which means that QBs don't have the time to attack those average CBs.

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 12:35 pm

Exactly. You have to have time to throw. This game, like the first Viking game, it was clear that they couldn’t defend Adams. So why not let him rip them up. Neither gives a clear general picture.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 06:18 pm

“You have to have time to throw”

Can I quote you on that? It’s so obvious and so overlooked at the same time. If you want to pass, you have to protect the QB. Even if it’s Lamar Alexander or Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady, they still need time to throw.

From my view, the Packers have done a good job of protecting Rodgers in five games and they’ve scored at least 35 each time, even on the road. In one game we did not protect him, we scored 10 and he was sacked, hit, and hurried all game.

We are missing two preferred starters in the offensive line, our starting RB, and our #2 WR, and yet we scored 35 points on the road. How does this happen? It happens because Aaron Rodgers is protected.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:25 am

Yes, another WR would have made a 28 point difference.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:11 am

Cobb looked good, pretty, pretty, pretty good. Is a reunion possible? What would it take? A 6th rounder perhaps. How about Mohammed Sanu the free agent. He would cost nothing. Maybe even more intriguing is the disgruntled Carlos Dunlap. He wants out of Cinci and would definitely upgrade our d-line. Surely there are some players to be had but does BG pull off a trade?

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 12:03 pm

Randall Cobb is in year 1 of a 3-year deal, and trading him would accelerate something like $12.5M onto Houston's cap this year. That's untenable for most teams at this point.

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 12:37 pm

We aren’t taking Cobb. BOB gave him a contract that staggered people. Good for him, but not one we can swallow.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:07 pm

I would move for Kenny Stills or Tate.

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Branden Burke's picture

October 26, 2020 at 03:47 pm

Stinks that the eagles may have found a young budding staple at Wr that green bay recently cut. He is already entrenched as their #2 second to only desean jackson.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 27, 2020 at 12:38 pm

There’s no crying over spilled milk in the NFL. You deal with what happened and move on.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:22 am

Breshad Perriman might be the guy I'd take a swing at in this case. On a cheap, one-year deal with a dead-from-the-kneck-up team that's already started selling. Not sure what they'd have to give, but he seems to fit that bill.

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 12:50 pm

I think it’s fairly short sighted to conclude we don’t have anything. MVS. Is a WR 3 type and has done well in his role when he is. It’s no accident that they kept deep safeties all game, even at the cost of doubling Adams.

May have been a headscratcher but you take them. Just means MVS in his main role isn’t going to be worked hard. Rather you saw Williams and the TEs use the space cleared out on both sides. Good calls by LaFleur and Rodgers not commentary on other receivers who are used to pull defenders.

It’s kind of funny the angst. Lazard will be back. Taylor got his first TD. Rodgers and MVS missed on one (big deal), Adams had the run of their D. Next week it might be the same.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 06:37 pm

This is all from the frustration of not having Lazard, which has opened the door for MSV and he can’t get the butter off his fingers. But let’s be clear.....we’re winning with what we have.

Next week, we get the same secondary we shredded in the opener. You KNOW that stopping this is topic #1 in meetings and practice. The good news is with everybody paying attention to Adams, it creates opportunities for others.....if they can just step up.

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NitschkeFan's picture

October 26, 2020 at 06:38 pm

I'd like to agree as every now and then MVS flashes potential.

But every team has a fast guy or two. Just as fast as MVS.

And most of those guys can catch a ball. I'm beginning to doubt that MVS can.

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Branden Burke's picture

October 26, 2020 at 03:52 pm

Perriman has a lot of the same issues as MVS. I would pass.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 04:36 pm

Perhaps. But he fits a profile: the guy can run, and he has good (Davante Adams) size, relatively small contract (he'd cost the Packers about $1.5 M to finish 2020), no obligation beyond 2020. He showed he could produce consistently when given the chance in TB over the last half of 2019. Biggest problem from my perspective is that he hasn't been very durable...and he got his bell rung last weekend and might be in the concussion protocol.

Whatever the case, he fits the profile for what the Packers would likely be getting if they deal for a WR, and the Jets would likely let him go. If you're looking for relatively cheap veteran help, he's the kind of guy you'd be looking at. Now that his status is up in the air though...

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ShooterMcGee's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:26 am

Just saw that the wide receivers not named Adams had 2 catches on 7 targets for 6 yards. That is pathetic.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:31 am

True, but Houston couldn't cover Adams yesterday. If it's working, you go to the well until someone stops it. Nobody complains when Ezekiel Elliott carries 25+ times and nabs 160 yards (not like it's happening this season, though). Nobody complains when Antetokuonmpo scores 45 points.

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murf7777's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:41 am

One of MLF good coaching skills is not to stop what’s working. He has been very good at finding mismatches and exploiting it. Adams was being single covered, so why stop.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:43 am

It used to frustrate me that Holmgren and MM would gash a team with a particular play, then seemed to put it in their pocket and not use it again that week. It was maddening.

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 12:42 pm

Single covered and pressed at the line. Ideal for Addams to get separated. Take that all day and we did. Didn’t go deep and used Williams. WRs are only one outlet in this O. The stat given excluded TEs and RBs. That is old thinking and going to result in false conclusions in many games under LaFleur.

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Thegravedigger's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:09 pm

Exactly. Gotta look at the whole picture.

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Guam's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:42 am

Agree Dobber that you keep going back until they stop it. My concern is what happens when they do stop it? A team with a really good shutdown corner or a commitment to double and triple team Adams is going to force the rest of the Packer receivers into the spotlight. Are they good enough to respond? I think the TE's and RBs are, but I am really not sure about the rest of the WR group.

The larger problem is the Packers have very little cap space to do anything about this issue. It would have to be very cheap vet who wants to take a run at a championship to help.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:34 am

WR2 has been, essentially since Lazard got hurt, Jones. Glad they didn't need him today. Williams filled the bill, though.

As for the Adams situation, you're preaching to the choir, Guam, as you know. :)

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 12:59 pm

You hit the point though. MVS being able to go deep pulls defenders and kept safeties deep and in the middle not doubling Adams. so we just went to Adams and in the spaces those two opened behind. As long as MVS causes teams to do that he is worth his weight in gold. When we get a team that doesn’t, then MVS gets to show what he can do.

Given that Lazard was a big part of this O outside pass catching, the O has been Remarkably resilient as long as Rodgers has any time to get the ball out. This is the point if the LaFleur O. Seems many still applying MM thinking to me.

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Thegravedigger's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:10 pm

Lazard is good enough. He showed us in new orleans. He will be back healthy for the playoffs.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 09:48 pm

Much agree on the cap problem.

I have a couple of questions. Of our remaining opponents, who would have that really good shutdown corner?

2nd question....if a team stops Adams, and no other WR takes advantage of that, is it possible that our RBs and TEs could get the job done?

About a year ago Lazard stepped up. He started on the practice squad , passed about six guys and won the job. It could happen again this year. As I’ve said before, in this offense, they’re a blocker or a decoy 90% of the time. Targets are few and far between so you have to make the most of each one.

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Branden Burke's picture

October 26, 2020 at 04:05 pm

And when you take away Adams, you have what happened in Tampa bay. Sell out against the run and bracket Adams. I wouldn't respect anyone else on that offense. If you saw, tampa and houston used a lot of 5 down lineman fronts against the packers. Bear defense is the counter for ML's run scheme. I don't have faith in the others (without lazzard) to win 1 on 1 matchups with any consistency. Probably the 3rd biggest threat they have is actually tonyan. But when you beat the run game with scheme and take Adams away, it all falls apart. The screen game gets squeezed. The pass rush turns up. You need a Mr. Reliable specializing at getting separation in a box and making consistent catches. If we are playing basketball, I'm letting MVS take semi open threes. He isn't good enough at hitting them. I'm one v one'ing him all day until he can show he deserves some respect.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 04:27 pm

". I'm one v one'ing him all day until he can show he deserves some respect."

Until he shows that he can regularly make plays, there's no reason to do any more than that. He's already backsliding from his early production this season...that's been his MO each year.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:30 am

Just saw that we had 283 yards and 4 TDs through the air. That’s not pathetic.

We are hung up on the old ways. There are other ways to move the ball and score points.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:35 am

"We are hung up on the old ways."
--Kylo Ren, "The Last Jedi"

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:30 am

Just saw that we had 283 yards and 4 TDs through the air. That’s not pathetic.

We are hung up on the old ways. There are other ways to move the ball and score points.

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Thegravedigger's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:11 pm

Let em know bro

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 27, 2020 at 12:40 pm

You’re really trying to come up with something pathetic about the way this offense is running right now? With a number two wide receiver on injured reserve they scored 35 points and two young players score of the first touchdowns of their careers as receivers? And you’re going to use the word pathetic? I think expectations are what is pathetic. Players are stepping up all over the place. In Devante Adams is wide open all day. Why the heck would Rogers throw it to anyone else?

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CoachDino's picture

October 26, 2020 at 03:53 pm

I don't think its unfair to state we could use another receiver, I'd love to have Lazard back or a receiver of his ability. As always whats the cost vs the benefit? If there's a quality veretran rec that will help the Packers that can be got for a late round pick and fits the cap space situation go for it. Problem is there isn't at this point. Good, not great, veterans don't make the min and usually will demand more than a late pick. So unless you can do the AB route where it costs you nothing and he plays for basically the vet min its not looking good.

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Grandfathered's picture

October 26, 2020 at 07:59 pm

I share your concern, but think we should give Taylor and Begelton more tries soon.

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nostradanus's picture

October 26, 2020 at 07:43 am

A very nice win considering the Packers had 3 main players out on both offense and defense and a bunch of guys playing with an assortment of injuries.

Thumbs up to the Packers coaching staff for getting a huge assortment of backups ready to play and play well mostly.

Thumbs down to MVS who just can’t seem to get it together and Orin Burks/Ty Summers who look like nothing but special teams guys until someone with football instincts takes their job.

Thumbs up to Josh Jackson and Raven Green for turning in solid outings with the starters out.

Thumbs up to Billy Turner for plugging the hole at Left Tackle with Bakhtiari out also.

Thumbs up to Jamal Williams for playing with grit and energy with Jones out.

Thumbs down to Dexter Williams who just can’t get out of the doghouse as he caused a blocked punt by missing a block and then not recovering it afterwards.

Thumbs up to Rodgers and Adams for putting on a pass/catch clinic!!

Nice win boys!!

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 06:25 pm

That was a clinic, wasn’t it? We threw it at Adams 16 times out of about 64 plays......25% of the offense. Seven of those targets resulted in a third down conversion. About half of our total yards and two TDs.

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tm_inter's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:20 am

Jamaal Williams is just as impressive as Aaron Jones. Since running game is essential to MLF's offense, let's keep one, either Jones or Williams, whoever we can afford.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:30 am

I don’t think we can afford either.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:36 am

It could be that Williams made himself a fair bit of money yesterday.

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:01 pm

Thank goodness we got Dillon. D Williams isn’t going to play again I think after yesterday. No wonder he is still on the PS.

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Guam's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:24 am

Interesting snap distribution on the D-line - Keke and Adams are getting more snaps and Lowery's have decreased and our run defense was better. Hmmm.... Kudos to M. Adams - this is two games in row he has played more snaps and made his presence felt. Maybe the light is finally coming on??? I think Barnes and Martin also helped our run defense. These guys are making tackles at the line of scrimmage not five yards back like Martinez. I like where our rush defense is headed and am now looking forward to the SF game in two weeks.

J. Jackson also played a solid game at CB against a very good QB and a top flight set of WRs. Another player that seems to be growing with a little playing time. This defense appears to have depth as well as frontline talent! Now just get everybody healthy.......

Thanks TGR for this very informative weekly article.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:37 am

I agree: Jackson was solid. Not spectacular, but solid. Perhaps his best game since his rookie year.

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October 26, 2020 at 11:00 am

I'll take solid from a backup.

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:24 am

I’ve been a fan of Martin since he was drafted, V Scott too. Nice to see them showing up. Promising for the future.

Raven Greene is so important for the functioning of this D. His instincts really tie things together but he has not been durable. We need to find depth. Could it be Scott? Redmond, playing where he should, played well. I give him credit for playing everywhere he is asked, but one can see the difference in his play in a more natural position and the teams play when Greene is healthy.

I have to say that I’m pleased to see Keke continue to come on. I’m surprised and glad to be wrong on M Adams. He is starting to look like our second best lineman after Clark. Winn played a handful of snaps and yet again looked good and got stats. He needs more.

If I was wrong on M Adams, equally so on Jackson without checking to see how often he was targeted. He held up well. If he can keep it up and avoid crass penalties we may have two players most of us had written off. That is a big plus.

I wonder if Preston Smith was used differently yesterday. Gary seemed to be charged with holding the edge contain quite a lot ( a strength). Did that have anything to do with Preston looking himself again?

I’m not on the wide receivers not named Adams suck train at this point. Their backups to not great corners clearly couldn’t get close to Adams. That was the case in week one. However, other receivers got open without targets. In other games we will need them. Rodgers wasn’t the Rogers of the first 4 games, but this was a good game to get him back in synch.

The sky isn’t falling. This isn’t a great team, but it is a competitive one and there are signs of improvement and we are playing through significant injury impact. I have hope for improvement as we progress. December is always the target. Our depth is looking promising and getting experience. When we next get a good running team (next week) we will see if our D line has progressed.

I can see only a couple of negatives. The injuries to Greene and Barnes. Both of those players are critical in my view. I hope neither are significant because we have no back up to Greene and Martin would be better paired with Barnes.

The second negative is D Williams. His effort on that punt block perhaps illuminates why he can’t get on the roster. Surely he has had enough time to do better than that. If that transfers to his offensive game in practice he may not make the weekend in the PS.

On the whole a positive day. Hope our injured get better soon but a better game plan and a better performance from the D against a decent offense.

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dobber's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:39 am

"I’m surprised and glad to be wrong on M Adams. He is starting to look like our second best lineman after Clark."

I'm glad he's playing well...that means the Packers get good snaps out of him before some other team overpays him in FA and gives the Packers a little boost via compensatory picks.

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Guam's picture

October 26, 2020 at 11:04 am

Yeah, the Packers are going to be hard pressed to keep even one or two of their free agents and M. Adams has to be near the bottom of their free agent list. He wakes up just in time to leave.....

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:03 pm

Assuming they want to resign him it’s questionable about the market for him, but he could help a lot this year.

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Guam's picture

October 26, 2020 at 08:32 am

I was pleasantly surprised at the tackle play of Turner and Wagner. While Houston's D-line is not in the same category as TB's, Watt and Merciless are not to be taken lightly as pass rushers and yet our tackles held up just fine. I would like to see more of this combo while Bahk heals. If they hold up okay over the next few games, it certainly strengthens the case for letting Bahk walk in the offseason and resolving one of the Packers many free agent / cap dilemmas.

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canadapacker's picture

October 26, 2020 at 09:55 am

They- Oline in total- did play pretty good - but Houston's strength is up front where TB also had some great ILB's and they hurt us - we cant overstate what interior linebackers can do - in watching last nights game - it appears that Wagner is either hurt of has declined in play because he used to dominate and wasnt much of a factor.

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Guam's picture

October 26, 2020 at 11:08 am

Wagner was also playing against JJ Watt. Watt has lost half a step from his heyday, but his heyday was two time league defensive MVP. He is still pretty good and any RT would have problems with him. I thought Wagner played okay (minus the one whiff on a running play) given the level of competition.

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:06 pm

Wagner has been pretty darn good this year at RT. JJ was fired up yesterday and healthy. He can be formidable today. Rodgers was not sacked and one pressure with out our best O lineman and yet still people don’t seem satisfied.

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Guam's picture

October 26, 2020 at 11:09 am

Double post.

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canadapacker's picture

October 26, 2020 at 09:44 am

Offense was good but not as great as could be - but that is probably nit picking and totally predicated by those 3 and outs in the second half. A better team might have stuck it to us - or maybe our D just picked it up. But it influenced how I felt about the O. However it shows that we really missed both Jones and Ervin - those jet sweeps keeps their D honest - and you speed for that and Williams who played great is just not as effective on those. Plus love Jones down the sideline. I agree that MVS needs to pick it up - got a nice 9 yarder on the sweep and AR missed one of his throws - but he needs to get open and catch the ball - but I really like what Shepard and Taylor are bringing in the absence of Lazard. Now if you add that for some reason - maybe being kept in to block - but the TE's Tonyon and Sternberger did not really have a role only 3 catches. Could also be the scheme - but we will need them against the Vikes. But AR just didnt put the ball exactly on target as he did the first 4 games. But that is also nitpicking . Adams killed it and it is great that he is back to full speed.

On D - Summers reminds me a lot of Martinez - slow and always a step behind - except he doesnt tackle like Martinez did. I thought that he was going to get better - but he hasnt. We need help inside - but other than a few missed tackles - we showed that we can play the run although this team is 1-6 even with JJ Watt.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:32 am

So how does a guy who is slow and a step behind lead the league in tackles?

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canadapacker's picture

October 26, 2020 at 11:25 am

Martinez use to lead us in tackles too - after they get a first down. I saw a bit of the Giants and he played well in the game that I saw. But once again - when with the Pack just not an impact middle linebacker and definitely not worth a big raise. Summers I though would develop but plays like a deer in the headlights now

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CoachDino's picture

October 26, 2020 at 04:00 pm

.Martinez seems to be just what we thought he was. A tackle machine but not a run stuffer or coverage guy. W/O looking it up I'd say teams do a great deal of running against NYG as they are most likely ahead and running clock. I don't recall Martinez making any of the plays like Barnes and Martin have as far as STUFFING the run.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 26, 2020 at 07:13 pm

You think our run defense is BETTER? We swap Martinez for Kirksey and we got better? Seriously?

Our defense through six games was MUCH better last year. Remember? And all we really did was change That one spot. We’ve gotten worse, not better.

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CoachDino's picture

October 27, 2020 at 04:19 pm

I don't see much difference other than one is playing and the other is hurt. Skill wise, its close enough to be arguable either way (Kirksey vs Martinez)

Tough to answer the run defense - better or not? statement.

All we did was complain how bad it was last year, same as this year.

IMO

With Clarke Healthy and improved play by lancaster and Keke the DLine is better. I also see, there is real potential for Martin, Barnes and Kirksey to be a big upgrade over Martinez, Goodsen and Burks from last year. Not really even close.

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NitschkeFan's picture

October 26, 2020 at 06:44 pm

Right on Coach. It's like "leatherhead" has never actually watched a game. Blake Martinez lead the team in tackles, and they were usually 7-10 yards past the line of scrimmage. Only a complete moron would think that Blake was anything but a mediocre, unimpactful, JAG.

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October 26, 2020 at 07:20 pm

His average tackle was 5.8 yards past the LOS. That means sometimes they were 10 yard runs and sometimes they were two yard runs. You are obviously only seeing the 7-10 runs and missing and missing all the 1-4 yard plays.

People see what they want to see. Martinez was a good player for us and we got worse on defense when we switched to Kirksey. It is what it is.

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October 26, 2020 at 10:41 am

Summers is pretty much what you expect in a guy who's destined to be second on the depth chart, then.

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:10 pm

Summers is not at all slow. He is a project pushed into heavy playing time when the plan was for him to be a special teamer. He hasn’t been great, but he hasn’t been awful and I’m not shocked a couple of games haven’t polished him. In the end the paying time will help. At worst he has been adequate depth. Perhaps he will be more in the future. For now, we had a lot worse and slower higher in depth charts In the past.

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CoachDino's picture

October 27, 2020 at 04:12 pm

Summers is a Bad ILB IMO. He is a GOOD Special Teamer and a more than adequate 3rd string depth player at ILB. He has the physical tools and I hope he gets better. I'd certainly keep him but much like Burks I wouldn't project him being a Starter Caliber player in the NFL at this point.

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October 27, 2020 at 04:13 pm

Duplicate

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October 26, 2020 at 10:18 am

May have a pair of ILBs in Martin and Barnes! Summers is lost in the woods out there. He has tremendous athletic skills but his instincts are not very good. A step behind in diagnosing the play and takes poor angles.

Adams is the MVP of the offense not named Rodgers. After Adams the rest of the team caught only 10 passes for 87 yards. I had high hopes for MVS but he is again pulling his David Copperfield routine and disappearing from the stage. Hurry back Mr. Lazzard!

The D had a better game against a lousy team...especially on run D...but the Texans O line is not very good. Giving up 20 points in the 2nd half was discouraging after a good first half. IDK if it is the coachIng that starts to coast with a lead or the players.

It was good to see more more motion to scheme guys open by ML....and while Adams was open a lot, some others would be open too...but #12 will always target the open guy who almost always makes the catch...Adams. Lazard was beginning to show ability to get open/make catch too. He will be most welcome on the field.

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Guam's picture

October 26, 2020 at 10:56 am

Houston O-line is not terrible. Laremy Tunsil is an all pro and maybe the best all around LT in the NFL. Rest of the line is not special, but they are okay.

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October 26, 2020 at 11:35 am

The Texans are last in the NFL in the running the ball...which was what I was referring to. The Packer run D was much better yesterday because Houston’s run game is very poor and the O line gets some of the blame for that.

However you are correct Houston is much better passing the ball and their O line gets some credit for that.

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Coldworld's picture

October 26, 2020 at 01:12 pm

Their running back is a shadow of his former self. Looks to have lost burst and speed. I’m not sure I’d blame the line for him.

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October 26, 2020 at 03:34 pm

If you notice rodgers passes to Adams are almost all in a very catchable spot. He had the one that missed Adams where he threw it before the break. The timing was a touch off. To me it looked like Adams got a little lazy and rounded his break which threw the timing off. But otherwise all are pretty catchable. With the other guys it's just not happening. So we know rodgers can make those throws regularly. We need guys who can run routes precisely and catch consistently. If you can't throw a ball predicting the break, then you are giving the defense a huge opportunity to recover. We talk about how the offense has the advantage because they know the route. If you can't use that advantage because you cant trust that the guys will run the routes precisely or catch it if it's less than perfect on your end, then you lose all that advantage and the offense looks stale. they need a technician in the slot.

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October 26, 2020 at 05:19 pm

Somehow, green bay may have a few decent pieces on the defensive line. Obviously clark, but Adams has stepped up. Lancaster is becoming a very solid contributor in the run defense. And it's a matter of time before keke unseats dean.

I think ty summers earned even fewer snaps. Jackson has been serviceable, but you could tell there were some matchup problems for him and houston had the wr's to take advantage of it pretty much across the board. You could tell how afraid he was of cooks on an easy 3rd down completion when he gave him probably 10 yards of cushion at the point cooks made his break. King is a little better, but they should probably let him walk and try to find a better piece next to alexander. Greene looks like a very solid contributor against both the run and short area passes. Could become an RB/TE specialist. Amos needs to be in the box. It takes away his greatest strengths having him at FS. Savage isn't developing as fast as we would like. Nick Collins was slow to develop, but you could see flashes. I haven't seen much from savage to indicate he will make that jump. Not a real liability. But just hasn't made the jump. Redman is a bit of a liability. Sullivan is OK.

On offense, MVS is practically a lost cause. He's so bad at tracking a ball, making any adjustments, and he doesn't trust his hands. Contested catches are all but non existent. He just doesn't have the feel for it. Back shoulder throws are almost a guaranteed incompletion. He should be the 5th man at wr. He doesn't even play special teams. Cordarrelle patterson is a bigger threat and offenses have basically written that guy off for the same reasons. Gadget guy and occasional deep shots. The only real glaring hole on offense is WR. Lazzard helps to alleviate that. They need someone outside of Adams who can consistently get open on short routes with consistent hands. Someone like landry or cobb.

The three biggest areas of concern for me are WR, ILB, and CB. The ILB and CB are serviceable. ILB may be ok if they stay healthy. I actually like 3 of them. I don't trust about half the secondary. Truthfully, I would be knocking down doors to try and pry away a young guy like terry mclaurin off a bad football team who would perfectly compliment Adams and is under contract for a few more years at 1 mil a season. The team is ready to compete now. I'm usually against giving away much draft capital. Someone like that you can splurge a little more on. He's proven, young, and cheap.

Like mccarthy, I think the game has passed Pettine by a little. With how efficient QB's have become, it's hard to sit on your hands with a bend and don't break mentality like the old tampa 2. I don't know if it's because he doesn't have the players to do it or it's just his scheme, but sometimes you have to put a man on a man, and bring some players. Especially with the heavy use of bunch formations providing ample opportunity to really push the envelope on who is rushing. Uncharacteristically, he used a lot of CB blitzes in the second half of this last game, but the players looked unprepared for the task there. That wasn't coached well because almost all of them got unblocked easy pressure but failed to stay on their feet, break down, and make an athletic play. Instead they ran into the pocket out of control like a balloon with the air let out of it. Against 1-5 teams like houston, the defense is fine. Long analysis for anyone that cares about my opinions. Just what I've seen.

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October 26, 2020 at 06:50 pm

The only possible glimmer of hope that Pettine is changing, looking at the snap counts I see some increase in the number of snaps by ILB's and a bit more of a spread for the OLB's too. Maybe resting guys because of the lead in the case of the Smith bro's, as Gary got way more snaps than usual.

But look at all the ILB snaps. It looked like at least for this game, there were often several ILB's on the field and the Houston run game went nowhere. (Kamal Martin 29, Krys Barnes 27, Ty Summers 18, Oren Burks 5)

Now, if we could only slow down some of the passing offences :(

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October 27, 2020 at 04:13 am

I see that noting the stats of wide receivers not named Adams touched a nerve. I do admit that I did that in part due to my bias in favor of finding another WR who can play. I myself would prioritize signing help for the DL or CB over WR, but for me it just depends on who is available at a price GB can afford. That said, M. Adams and J. Jackson have performed better recently, enough so I wonder if we can muddle through without reinforcements. I also think MVS does stretch the field and is important to the offense. If Lazard returns (core muscle injuries seem tricky), GB might be able to muddle through with Adams, Lazard, MVS, Tonyan and the RB (Jones/Williams/Ervin but mostly Jones) as the receiving options. But it is a long season. Losing one of the above is a possibility.

I respect the opinions of those who disagree, and in particular the posters who wrote comments disagreeing with me above in this thread. Of course GB should have kept throwing to D. Adams - do it until the opponent is able to take it away.

What do I know? I loved the Carl Bradford pick.

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